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Bilateral/Joint Government Statement of Response
Almighty People's Republic of Samtonia
Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia

Members of the international community --

We have watched in horror as Freekian forces continue to slaughter innocents through a conquest against the Anti-Kraven Alliance. Though we are supportive of Automagfreek's defense of itself through military means, being a sovereign right, it is too much for us to bear after witnessing the actions of our friends in the Excessively Armed Empire. Therefore, together, the governments of the Almighty People's Republic of Samtonia and the Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia regretfully condemn the actions of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek. Our nations may be allies, but we cannot stand and watch this blatant slaughter of innocents. Justification of such actions through the use of the Gholgoth name has put the issue too far.

It has been brought to our attention that, in yet another blatant violation of basic human rights, the nation of Automagfreek both slaughtered the population of Kahanistan that was under the control of Freekian armed forces and used the name of the Gholgoth region to justify (to an extent) the actions and threaten those arrayed against AMF with the same aforementioned policy of wanton extermination, that policy carried out within the AKA action. This policy has gone too far.

Damien, we call you and your government out on this now. It has not and never will be justified for any government to legitimatize the wholesale slaughter of populations based either on government policies, foreign military actions, or the actions of a select portion of the population. So to date, your actions in this vein have been troubling, to say the least. With multiple large-scale genocides on your hands, as well as the destruction of thousands of trillions of dollars worth of property, the blood shed in the name of AMF has far surpassed even the most lax norms set in place.

Now, you draw the entire region of Gholgoth into your petty struggles and attempt to use the reputations of nations who have not built a legacy upon genocide and hatred. Your actions are horrific enough, but to paint our region with your same broad brush is appalling. We aren’t here to actively oppose you or the nation of AMF, allies to us still. However, we will not stand for justification of your actions behind the veneer of civility that exists within the other nations of Gholgoth.

Your actions are undertaken by AMF and AMF alone- not with the support or aid of Gholgoth as a whole. It would behoove you to remember this, both now and in any actions undertaken in the future in the same vein as these.

Samtonian Council of Thirteen
43rd Ruling Collective
Almighty People’s Republic of Samtonia

Dr. Timotaio (Timothy) Ell, MPP, RPID
Prime Minister
Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia

"Whats this now?"

Newly appointed leader Paptop Bashir looked over his daily briefs, which covered all sorts of categories. Though most were handled by more specialized departments, ones of large importance were sent directly to his office. Anything to do with Automagfreek was tagged to be sent to his office.

He hadn't been leader for more than a week, and was more worried about grain shortages and the creation of new nuclear plants than of international incidents. He read the condemnation of AMF with the utmost seriousness. AMF was seen as a good friend of the Chellian people, even though contact had been cut since isolation began.

He had heard a few things about AMF in history and political classes in the national academy of knowledge, and understood that the nation wasn't at all shy about killing off enemy populations with the bat of an eye. While Bashir didn't like the way of operating personally, he knew it was AMF's way, as well as the traditional way of the Chellians, one that hadn't been purged in the revolution. He knew it would happen, and that he should say something about this. The country was pushing for a period of Glasnost, so to speak, and speaking out for an old friend might help push this.

He called for his publicist. The council wouldn't need to be notified, though there would be an automatic tag given to them for anything he did, as always. They would probably pass it.

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Message to the international community-
RE: Bilateral/Joint Government Statement of Response

Chellis would like to show its support for its old ally, Automagfreek. While we cannot comment for our ally, we would like to say that it is not the place of other nations to judge her so. Automagfreek has shown in the past and present that its way of operation, quite simply, works. Nations either commit suicide declaring war on, or related to, Automagfreek, or otherwise don't declare war at all. Regardless of what pithy comments nations which to throw at AMF, its actions do result in reduced war, and hence death, in the long run.

As for associating itself with those who condemn it, it seems strange that AMF would do so. We don't understand why our ally would wish to try to gain support from nations who shy away from the reality of warfare. However, since we do not fully understand the situation, we will not comment on it, but only of the actions of the Freekians. We frown upon this condemnation, as such a matter could be handled privately, instead of actively debasing your "ally" in public. Who need enemies when... the rest is well known.

Leader Paptop Bashir
Chellis

ooc: Err.... welcome back Chellis?

ooc: Err.... welcome back Chellis?

OOC: I've been around for a bit. If I do come back for good, I don't plan on being nearly the same as before...

OOC: And yet, once again, AMF is about to be declared war appon by a whole coalition......who wants to sell tickets?

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

Be careful where you both tread.

What you both fail to realize is that Kahanistan stooped to the ultimate low and unleashed VX nerve agent upon my forces in a first strike attack. Kahanistani forces continue to booby trap buildings, cars, and other such places with VX barrels that will unleash their agent when triggered.

Where is your condemnation of this? Where are your words of anger towards the Kahanistan government for openly engaging in chemical warfare as a part of their defensive doctorine?

You should know by now the consequence of stooping to such levels against the AMF government. Perhaps you forget the doctorine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416382) set forth by Marv Bonesplitter on AMF standard operating procedures. Genocide and engaging civilians were strictly off limits for Sentinel legions unless the enemy engaged in a WMD attack, used civilian sectors as hideouts, and used civilians to engage in terror attacks.

Kahanistan did all of this, so it should be no surprise to you or anyone else that their....crimes would be punished by tasting their own medicine. Where is your condemnation towards Kahanistan? Once again we run into a situation where Automagfreek is demonized for simply protecting itself in adverse conditions.

I would advise the governments of Samtonia and Pacitalia to watch what they choose to say towards me and my officials. Automagfreek has once again been thrust into the flames of war, and we will not hesitate to eliminate treachery wherever it may manifest.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

The brief landed on the desk of the Intelligence Sub-director with a thud. He looked up from his stack of paperwork as the messenger scurried out past the imposing guard. The guard then turned and closed the door behind him.

-Ugh. What's this now?

The large walrus read the contents carefully as he does with all his correspondence. It was the latest VIS scan of international press releases. This one was from Samtonia, which fell under his purview. Like all of the other sub-directors, each one was responsible for monitoring key nations and alliances. Gholgoth was a particular region of interest to Vrak since it harboured that blokk pakrah nation of Drakonia. He then exclaimed aloud to no one in the room.

-Hrumph. A bit of dissention within the ranks, eh? Should be interesting to watch this show play out.

He depressed a button, summoning his junior aide. After a brief conversation, the aide left with his orders and the walrus sat back, staring upwards at the ceiling in concentration. He also made a note to check in with the other sub-director concerning the newly founded "Empire of Eternity".

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Defense

Bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim (In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful)

The Government of Kahanistan is pleased and relieved to know that not all Gholgoth nations are like the murderous hordes who have erected forests of the impaled in Kahanistan and butchered babies in front of their parents.

Like Samtonia and Pacitalia, we support the rights of AMF and other nations to defend themselves. But in Kahanistan, WE are defending ourselves and THEY are the aggressors, may Allah smite them and condemn these sons of Shaitan to Hell for their wicked crimes against Allah and humanity.

We urge all right-thinking nations to rethink their alliances with this barbaric country, and consider aiding us in our time of need.

Signed,
General Abdullah Hassan al-Ghazi,
Deputy Defense Minister

As a member of the Consortium, I must protest the actions of Kahanistan, and those that would support their atrocities. They and their so called AKA attacked The Kraven Corporation without provocation, and, after they were driven off, we pressed our advantage to the fullest, taking the war to them to prevent them attacking any Consortium nation again, and now the international comunity protests the actions of AMF, a nation acting only in the defense of its allies, when they are only following SOP concerning terrorist operations and the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction. You are truly a pack of hypocrites... You disgust me.

- General Jack Horner(ret) High Commander of the Armed forces of the Terran Dominion.

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Defense

Bismillah ar-rahman ar-rahim (In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful)

The Government of Kahanistan is pleased and relieved to know that not all Gholgoth nations are like the murderous hordes who have erected forests of the impaled in Kahanistan and butchered babies in front of their parents.

Like Samtonia and Pacitalia, we support the rights of AMF and other nations to defend themselves. But in Kahanistan, WE are defending ourselves and THEY are the aggressors, may Allah smite them and condemn these sons of Shaitan to Hell for their wicked crimes against Allah and humanity.

We urge all right-thinking nations to rethink their alliances with this barbaric country, and consider aiding us in our time of need.

Signed,
General Abdullah Hassan al-Ghazi,
Deputy Defense Minister

"Bloody hell, they're religious? Now I am really glad about supporting AMF..."

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Chellis would like to note that, in its vast history, it has seen nations proclaim the same many times. Yet, we have never seen Automagfreek behave in either an imperialistic way, nor an overly aggressive way. While it strikes back with the utmost fury, we have not seen Damien and his sentinels attack other nations first, nor without cause.

Chellis fully stands behind Automagfreek and the Consortium in its efforts against Kahanistan and the AKA, although troop deployments aren't likely... Hopefully, the AKA will come to its senses as a full and drop their arms.

From the Desk of Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi,

To Kahanistan and Automagfreek's Current Leaders,

We are appalled by all of this! First with Kahanistan for doing such things and indangering countless innocences. Such tatics are considered war crimes by Kattor and would we have been the conquerors would have imprisioned the ones who apporved that tatic for life! But Automagfreek has crossed the line as well. "Their crimes would be punished by tasting their own medicine"? You have stooped just as low as them, and even lower by punishing the innocent population. As a result the nation of Kattor has offical blacklisted all Automagfreek and Kahanistan made products. We also have passed laws that forbid the sale of any Kattor made products to your nations. We condeem both of your actions and are severely disappointed in both of you and wish you think about actions.

-Signed Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi of the Democratic Republic of Kattor-

Bill of Trade Blacklisting signed by the following Senators

Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi
Senator Hoshi Hikara
Senator Hento Miles
Senator Ayaki Tien
Senator Ryo Dasu

Automagfreek finds the words of Kattor entirely laughable, especially since we have zero trade or ties of any kind to begin with. We could care less if you choose to 'blacklist' our nation, as it will have absolutely no impact on us whatsoever.

And as far as 'us thinking about what we did', what the hell is this? Daycare? Sorry my friend, this is the real world with real evil and real death. Real people die and real decisions have to be made that could change the course of an entire nation.

Perhaps once you realize this you will put things in perspective.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Defense

To the Government of Kattor,

Such actions betray your ignorance of our WMD doctrine. We deploy gas only against enemy troops, never against civilians as such actions are not only war crimes but sins against Allah Almighty. As for our booby-trapping of buildings, vehicles, etc., we had already ordered our civilians to flee before the conflict reached that stage, and most of them had already fled or been killed by the murderous pig-eating traitors to Allah, apostates and heretics all, doomed to everlasting torment in Hell, being daily and nightly sodomized by Iblis the Thrice-Damned for their crimes against the innocents.

To the Government of Chellis,

The Government of Kahanistan is NOT religious. I am but one man who happens to be ruling Kahanistan while the Government has fled for safety, who happens to be a devout Muslim.

To the Government of Mini Miehm,

You foul heretics dare to call US terrorists? We are not the ones slaughtering civilians and impaling millions on stakes in full view of the populace to try to break the will of warriors defending their nation in Holy Jihad against the barbarous walking piles of porcine fecal matter who are destroying a nation of democracy, human rights, and freedom. We believe the Kraven people deserve the same rights as our own people, and we were willing to fight for them.

May Allah bless your leaders with the wisdom to see who is right in this war.

Signed,
General Abdullah Hassan al-Ghazi,
Deputy Defense Minister

We dare. You strike from the shadows like cowards, using weapons of mass destruction on your elders and betters, if you are truly engaged in Holy Jihad, then face the Sentinels man to man, surely God would not permit you to fail.

On a side note, included with this correspondence is a side of Bacon, try it, it's quite tasty...

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INTERNATIONAL PRESS RELEASE
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT

In the strongest words we condemn the use of terrorism and unethical warfare by Kahanistan. Whilst we are not now, nor have ever been, supporters of the AMF regime. The actions of Kahanistan and her supporters are unacceptable.

Do not let civilization waver in the face of adversity.

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His Imperial Eminency
His Royal Majesty
The Right Honourable
Crown Prince Dionysus Bacchius
Heir to the Throne of Rotovia
Prince of Crete
President of the Republic
Duke of Carthage
Ruler of Prespolis
and Lord of All Domains

[ OCC: Could we see a link to the alleged actions? ]

From: Temple of Lyr, Khodros
To: The Citizens of Kahanistan


The words, the righteous belief, the stubborn ideology, all for naught! As we peer through the ordered exterior we see the madness of humanity lain bare, a wound of nature that never heals. We see the plight of the innocent, their pure souls visited by the brutality of their fellow man, ushered so swiftly back to Heaven. We feel their pain, and share with them their anguish over the senselessness of their plight.

Much sadness is brought by recent events. The work of an evil few, forged in cold madness, have been shared with the pure. It is the gift of hell, one that none among us deserve yet all must endure. May the Kahanistani people find strength in this dark hour, and be comforted that what they feel, we also feel.


Divine Usurper Yudamar IV

OOC: Link. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453666)

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Official Statement of the Prime Minister of Pacitalia
Office of the Prime-Executive Leadership, Federal Central Government
Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia

Dear sirs --

I will make it clear now that I never lauded the actions of Kahanistan against Automagfreek in the war. My condemnation is based on the fact that Damien Dreadfire had a clear opportunity to use diplomatic channels to force Kahanistan into surrender without endangering or ending countless lives, and he ignored it, retaliating tenfold and killing millions.

Think of this what you will, Damien. Think of it as treachery, or whatever you want. If it's odd for you to be receiving criticism from a regionmate, I apologise for that. The condemnation stands. This war needs to end now.


Sincera in domina bene,

Dr. Timotaio (Timothy) Ell, MPP, RPID
Prime Minister
Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia

[OOC- That link is the killing and all. The decleration and throwing about of Gholgoth's name is in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455610) thread.]

Dreadfire and his associates have tried numerous times to resolve the conflict diplomatically. However, Kahanistan and its cronies in the Anti-Kraven Alliance refused on multiple occasions to cease their warmongering and end this conflict. Therefor, the Otagian government offers its official support to the AMF government, acknowledging that said support is most likely not needed in the slightest.

Valar Morghulis,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms
Regent-Elect of Otagia

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Diplomatic Ecclesiastical Message

To: Supreme Warlord Damien Deadfire the Destroyer of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek
From: His Most Worthy High Ecclesiarchy of the Holy Empire of Xirnium

The High Ecclesiarchy has watched with a heavy heart the carnage in Kahanistan. From the admittedly limited, yet extremely satisfactory, contact that we have had with the Excessively Armed Empire, the High Ecclesiarchy has formed the opinion that the leaders of Automagfreek do indeed subscribe to their own distinctive form of honour, and that they can be reasoned with logically (unlike certain cultures that we have had the misfortune to encounter, such as the filthy Kraven Corporation).

We therefore ask that the Excessively Armed Empire show mercy on Kahanistan. If you wished to punish them for the breach of your honour code and the use of a nerve agent against your military then you have certainly done so, and more. Surely the lesson of the consequences of defying Automagrfreek will not soon be forgotten by the international community. In the Ecclesiarchy’s opinion, therefore, there is no further reason for the senseless bloodshed to continue.

Consider also the position that Kahanistan was in. Faced with the insane “Kraven Ultimatum” (which surely your Lordship would consider abhorrent and absurd) and the promise from the Kraven High Command that Kahanistan would have its entire population ruthlessly exterminated (its men worked to death in labour camps while its women would be executed to be used a human incubators in the Kraven factories), the leadership of the Kahanistanian nation was forced into a most desperate position. Its use of VX gas was not one of defiance against the indomitable war machine of the Excessively Armed Empire, rather it was the last hopeless act of a nation in despair, a nation facing annihilation and with nothing to lose. Kahanistan did nothing more then what was demanded of it by its own primal desire to survive, nothing more then any cornered and frightened animal might do.

We ask that you agree to a temporary cease-fire and the beginning of talks between the Excessively Armed Empire and the Kahanistanian Government-in-Exile in Holy Xirnium so that a conditional surrender may be reached and further loss of life avoided. Surely an agreement can be reached that both your Lordship and the Supreme Soviet finds acceptable but which renounces the idiotic “Kraven Ultimatum”. Had reasonable terms been offered from the start by Kraven's Consortium and Kraven's mad demands were quashed by your Lordship this war might never have occured to begin with.

We await your reply to our proposal with interest.

High Lord Ertham Nidor (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a25/Dennis134/GrandCardinal.jpg)
Grand Cardinal and Chief Minister of the High Ecclesiarchy


[Edit: Whoops, the title from the template I used was wrong. Fixed]

Dreadfire and his associates have tried numerous times to resolve the conflict diplomatically. However, Kahanistan and its cronies in the Anti-Kraven Alliance refused on multiple occasions to cease their warmongering and end this conflict. Therefor, the Otagian government offers its official support to the AMF government, acknowledging that said support is most likely not needed in the slightest.

Valar Morghulis,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms
Regent-Elect of Otagia

That is a lie.

The "peace" that was offered to the AKA by Kraven and it's allies was simply an agreement to become a slave state to the Consortium, which, naturally, almost all of the nations in the AKA rejected. No real peace or cease fire was offered until AutoMagFreek offered both Xirnium and Velkya amnesty on more reasonable terms.

[OOC- That link is the killing and all. The decleration and throwing about of Gholgoth's name is in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455610) thread.]

OOC: That's because several Gholgoth nations were going to join the fight. I fail to see why it wouldn't be approriate to mention Gholgoth's name when a fist of members are involved.....

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Mr. Ell, perhaps you should read over the minutes from the peace talks where Azrael (who was there in Lord Dreadfire's stead) specifically asked the Kahanistani government to surrender. Early on in the peace talks Azrael even went so far as to state that everyone should simply pack up and cease all aggressions before things got worse.

Now, if this is not diplomacy I do not see what is. The fact of the matter is this, diplomatic avenues were persued, but war in this case just could not be averted. Therefore we denounce Pacitalia for accusing us of warmongering and throwing diplomacy out the window.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

[OCC: Thanks for the links, I just wanted to read up on the nerve gas attack and the slaying of civilian populations. I should be posting a response very soon. The current war is long, but a great RP]

The Kingdom of Fourhearts
Statement of King Drake Heart IV

The Kingdom of Fourhearts would like to stress first and foremost, her desire to see peace within all nations and an end to this horrid war.

While the Kingdom respects the rights of nations to defend themselves, we condem the slaughter of innocents. We understand the position of the highly esteemed nation of Automagfreek. Indeed, Machiavelli understood that it is better to be cruel than to be too kind and considered weak.

We fully understand that the policy of using the threat of total eradication of a population that uses Weapons of Mass Destruction is a policy of deterrence. Such a policy only works if one's enemy realizes that you are indeed serious about such a threat.

However, a policy of deterrence only works when a nation's leadership is rational. Any nation who would utilize Weapons of Mass Destruction can not always be seen as rational.

It is also important to note is that a population does not decide to go to war. A nation's leadership does. Punishing a nation's population for the choices the nations leadership makes we feel is unjust. Soldiers fight. Civilains do not. It is murder to kill those who do not have the means to defend themselves.

The Kingdom of Fourhearts has no choice. While we mantain a position of absolute neutrality in this conflict, we must condem the actions of Automagfreek.

The Kingdom of Fourhearts also condems the actions of Kahanistan. While wars are desperate times, there is no excuse for using weapons of mass destruction. Nerve agents are terrible weapons.

Lastly, The Kingdom of Fourhearts would like to express it's deepest wish for an end to hostilites and offers it's support for any peace negotations. If needed, offers a location for peacetalks, and the services of the Hospital Airship Comfort to provide care for wounded on all sides both civilian or military.

With deepest respect and regards,

King Drake Heart IV
King of Fourhearts

To: The government of Kahanistan
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: Rebuilding

We offer you the financial and industrial base of Vrak and, if need be, the entire FKC in rebuilding your country if you would but swear allegiance to the FKC president and become a state of the FKC.

Dreadfire and his associates have tried numerous times to resolve the conflict diplomatically. However, Kahanistan and its cronies in the Anti-Kraven Alliance refused on multiple occasions to cease their warmongering and end this conflict. Therefor, the Otagian government offers its official support to the AMF government, acknowledging that said support is most likely not needed in the slightest.

Valar Morghulis,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms
Regent-Elect of Otagia

OOC: I recognise that phrase... You read A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin, don't you???? Read book 4 yet?

Official Statement from the Holy Imperium of Banduria

The Imperium must remain neutral on this issue.

While it is true that Automagfreek's actions were deplorable and perhaps wrong, Kahanistan itself is little better, with its use of chemical agents on the battlefield and of course the attack on the Kraven Corporation. While we realize that the Kraven peace terms were deemed unacceptable by Kahanistan and all of its allies—and would be deemed so by even the Imperium itself—the AKA still had the option of surrendering to the terms of another nation, such as Automagfreek, which could provide more honourable or 'better' terms, a path they chose not to take, fully realizing the destruction that would be unleashed upon them afterwards.

Kahanistan is not the innocent victim it has been made out to be, but Automagfreek's hands are in no way clean either. Thus, we must respectfully take a neutral stance on this issue.

Charles Perian
Bandurian Minister for Foreign Affairs

OOC: I recognise that phrase... You read A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin, don't you???? Read book 4 yet?
OOC: Course I did. Working on book 4 right now. The phrase is Valyrian, meaning "All Men Must Die," not in a sexist way, but a fatalistic belief, which is quite fitting with the Otagian outlook.

The condemnations, counter-condemnations, protests and sneering responses were noted by the Civil Service's monitors, who duly passed their intelligence upwards to their masters.

The media picked up the broadcasts, statements and accusations, and dismissed them; bigger news was to be found at home, as economic and taxation policies were being unveiled.

The Empire was in the midst of a General Election; the House of Representatives was tied up in their campaigns. The House of Lords couldn't care less. It was the House of Deputies, pragmatists to a (wo)man were running the show; they took note, yes, but that was all. And the First Minister used to be among their ranks - she carefully buried the affair in the hubbub of the elections.

But deliberate inaction shouldn't be confused with inattention.

The AKA still had the option of surrendering to the terms of another nation, such as Automagfreek, which could provide more honourable or 'better' terms, a path they chose not to take, fully realizing the destruction that would be unleashed upon them afterwards.

To: The Holy Imperium of Banduria

That is utterly false. I refer to the edict (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9913543#post9913543) given by Supreme Warlord Damien Deadfire on the 10th of November:



If you consider the alternatives to The Kraven Corporation's terms (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9912969#post9912969), the choices available are rather few...destruction being the only option.

Given any reasonable terms no AKA member would wish to continue this war, faced with the insane "Kraven Ultimatum" however they have no choice. For evidence of this you need only look at the seperate and resonable peace treaties that Velkya and Holy Xirnium reached with the Excessively Armed Empire, both of which involved a rejection of Kraven's idiotic demands.

My suggestion to those nations such as Banduria so quick to involve themselves in matters that do not concern them is to refrain from making rash condemnations when they are ignorant of the full facts.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

Statement by the Amestrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The State of Amestria will offer sanctuary for any citizen of Kahanistan who wishes it. We further condemn the continuance of hostilities when peace could be declared at any time. We ask the Empire of Automagfreek to spare those Kahanistanians who simply wish to flee the conflict.

Mr. Hartman -

My thanks go to Azrael for his attempts at diplomacy, but that is clearly not what I asked for. As the leader of the nation, it should lie with Damien to make the decisions of diplomacy or war. That has not happened here. Why was he not present? I'd also appreciate it if he would respond to my letter. Still, I think comments on both sides are, like so many other conflicts, being slightly misconstrued here. The Council of Thirteen and myself clearly stated that we supported AMF's defence of itself, but we are disgusted that you would choose to use Gholgoth as a tool, a trump card of sorts, in trying to verbally beat down Kahanistan.

If you can make a concerted effort now to bring peace to Kahanistan, a now decimated nation, we will gladly rescind the condemnation. But, you must understand that our condemnation in no way labels you as a warmongerer or supports Kahanistan. It simply denounces the paths taken. Obviously Kahanistan has much of the responsibility on itself, but as an older and more venerable nation, it is most certainly up to the Freekians make a greater effort and avoid costly, senseless war.

It is my sincere wish, then, that this dispute can be worked through with full effort on the part of both the Freekians and the Kahanistanians. Good day.

Dr. Timotaio (Timothy) Ell, MPP, RPID
Prime Minister
Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia

To the Government of Chellis,

The Government of Kahanistan is NOT religious. I am but one man who happens to be ruling Kahanistan while the Government has fled for safety, who happens to be a devout Muslim.


Who said anything about Kahanistan being religious? This is a non-point, and feel that this is another way to bring us off topic, namely, your atrocities. We honestly don't care about your soon to be exterminated peoples, nor your idiotic believers.

OOC: The part in quotation marks wasn't something said to you, it was a private remark, hence not being directed at you.

Come now Mr. Ell, Lord Dreadfire is much too busy running and defending his Empire to attend peace talks, and his son Azrael was given authority to negotiate on his behalf.

If the source of your condemnation is the fact that Azrael used the threat of Gholgothian intervention to possibly force a surrender and avert a war, then I can tell you that your argument is petty. I would threaten the wrath of the Gods themselves if I thought it would keep a war from starting, and any sensible person would do the same. If the name Gholgoth can scare an aggressor to the point of compliance, then all the better. I would not think twice if Crimmond, Sigma Octavus, or even Doujin used the name 'Gholgoth' to try to defuse a conflict through threat of force.

Besides, several Gholgothian nations were about to enter the fray anyways, and thus Gholgoth would would indeed be involved, rendering your argument worthless. It is common knowledge that Automagfreek would not hesitate to assist any of our regional allies should they request it, for any reason. Automagfreek would expect the same from those inside Gholgoth, for we are a no nonsense region that looks out for its own.

AMF is seriously reconsidering this in the case of Samtonia and Pacitalia. None of our other regionmates would dare draw such public accusations against us, and Automagfreek is both shocked and disappointed in both of you and the Council of Thirteen. Why should we render our unconditional services to nations that openly condemn us? Have you not thought of the fallout that will result from this?

It is no secret that the Klatch share a distaste for one of our Gholgothian allies in Drakonian Imperium. There are others out there that watch our movements closely as well. What if they start sensing weakness? What if they get the impression that our region is failing and move against us? By publically condemning us and not keeping this an internal affair, you have possibly put the entire region in danger.

You should have thought of the consequences of such actions before you made them. Make no mistake about it, Automagfreek will not feel the way it did towards Samtonia and Pacitalia for a long time.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

Mr. Hartman -

I find it too bad that other region members would not possibly dare to draw such public criticism against Automagfreek. It's saddening that such loss of sovereignty is appealing to them, but it is definitely not to my government and I. Telling us to pipe down after we criticise you is only making you look bad. Rest assured, your basic overreactionist paranoia to healthy questioning of your foreign military policy is not going to be our fault. Any nation can tell the difference between Pacitalia and Automagfreek.

And, seriously, had you thought of the consequences of your actions before you made them, we would not be condemning you right now.


Dr. Timotaio (Timothy) Ell, MPP, RPID
Prime Minister
Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia

Who said anything about Kahanistan being religious? This is a non-point, and feel that this is another way to bring us off topic, namely, your atrocities.

To: The Holy Imperium of Banduria

Atrocities such as that of the wanton slaughter of all the Anti-Kraven Alliance delegates at the "peace-conference" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9913575#post9913575) held before this illegal war against Kahanistan even began by the filthy Consortium perhaps?

Your feigned outrage at the “atrocity” of using VX gas against the most powerful member of an enemy that is attempting to commit genocide on an international level is little more then a bad joke.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

Atrocities such as that of the illegal slaughter of all the Anti-Kraven Alliance delegates at the peace-conference before this illegal war against Kahanistan even began by the filthy Consortium perhaps?

Your feigned outrage at the “atrocity” of using VX gas against the most powerful member of an enemy that is attempting to commit genocide on a nation-wide level is little more then a bad joke.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

Of course, Xirnium either has a horrible understanding of the english language, or is trying some pithy turn-around on our words. Why would Kahanistan slaughter AKA delegates at a peace-conference? We have not heard of this by anyone, much less Kahanistan.

Outrage? No. We personally have little issue with these things in war. We routinely use chemical weaponry, as well as wide-spread slaughter in total warfare. However, we recognize that Automagfreek fights fire with napalm, so to speak. Automagfreek saw what Kahanistan did as an atrocity, and responded as it wished. But instead of taking responsibility for its first strike attack against AMF, it turns to some pointless religious argument.

And on a more personal note, Chellis would like to state quite plainly that we don't take well to people who go out of their way to become enemies of the Chellian Empire. Its been so long, but Chellis would love to teach such a young nation a thing or two about the international scene... and history.

Listen here boy, you must not understand how things really work in the world. The fact of the matter is this, Automagfreek is quite possibly one of the most hated nations in the world. Having our own regionmates publically condemn, not question, CONDEMN us puts us in an even more difficult position. You did not "question" our military policy, you hung us out to dry.

Contrary to popular belief we would rather not have countless nations rise up to try and vanquish Automagfreek, like doing so will grant them glory and make them a 'superpower'.

Do you have any idea what it is like Mr. Ell to have your nation constantly in a state of war? Do you know what it is like to constantly have to defend yourself and your interests without a moment's rest? No, you don't. You enjoy your peace and prosperity without having to constantly repell attack after attack with your very existance in constant jeopardy. You sit back and point your finger in the distance, judging people like myself whom you know nothing about.

You still do not realize what you have done by publically condemning, not questioning, condemning us. I promise you Mr. Ell that this will only lead to more turmoil, and more nations will muster the courage to rise against us.

This whole argument of yours is so petty. You are pouting because the name 'Gholgoth' was thrown down as one of many tools to avert war, and you don't want your precious nation to be associated. This sounds like something I would expect to hear from a schoolgirl, not a national leader. As stated before, any rational thinking person would use such a fearsome name to their advantage to avoid a long and bloody war, and Automagfreek would think nothing of it if a fellow Gholgothian did so.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

We have not heard of this by anyone, much less Kahanistan.

To: The Holy Imperium of Banduria

You have not heard of this because, like a fool, you have entered into an argument which does not concern yourself and to which you are demonstratably ignorant of. Had you bothered to examine the situation instead of tripping over yourselves to rush to Automagfreek's defence you would know of the full depths of depravity that the Consortium has sunk to, including the senseless slaughter of AKA delegates.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

You have not heard of this because, like a fool, you have entered into an argument which does not concern yourself and to which you are demonstratably ignorant of. Had you bothered to examine the situation instead of tripping over yourselves to rush to Automagfreek's defence you would know of the full depths of depravity that the Consortium has sunk to, including the senseless slaughter of AKA delegates.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

If Xirnium wants to show Chellis where Kahanistan killed of AKA delegates, we would be more than willing to look at it. Such information is of interest to us.

We know the situation well enough, and we know Automagfreek. Automagfreek does what it needs to, to survive. It does not bring war, it recieves it. To hear such small nations act like they are the purveyors of knowledge, to act like they know so much, it is sad.

Chellis has never seen Automagfreek do things without good reason. We have looked upon things in this little conflict, and see nothing unbecoming of Automagfreek. The AKA is only the latest in the series of fools. They can make peace, or die. It really is simple, to us.

OCC: Kahanistan is an AKA member, not a Consortium member. The Consortium is at war with the AKA. It was the Consortium that slaughtered the AKA members. Your statement "If Xirnium wants to show Chellis where Kahanistan killed of AKA delegates, we would be more than willing to look at it" doesn't make sense.

OCC: Kahanistan is an AKA member, not a Consortium member. The Consortium is at war with the AKA. It was the Consortium that slaughtered the AKA members. Your statement "If Xirnium wants to show Chellis where Kahanistan killed of AKA delegates, we would be more than willing to look at it" doesn't make sense.

OOC: I know, I am using your own words against you. When I told Kahanistan it was trying to avoid talking about its atrocities, and you asked me "atrocities such as the slaughter of AKA delegates... blah blah". Honestly, why do I even bother...

OCC: Your nation's point is just silly.
From the message you quoted: "you would know of the full depths of depravity that the Consortium has sunk to, including the senseless slaughter of AKA delegates." There is no room for twisting words to score cheap points, even if you wanted to (and obviously you do).
Your message is just bewildering, it's pointless. Your basically just repeating your cheap shot from the post before even though it no longer applies to this later message.

OCC: Your nation's point is just silly.

From the message you quoted: "you would know of the full depths of depravity that the Consortium has sunk to, including the senseless slaughter of AKA delegates." There is no room for twisting to score cheap points, even if you wanted to (and obviously you do).

Your message is just bewildering, it's pointless.

OOC: Instead of turning this into an OOC shit fling, you could have simply replied IC, saying that it wasn't Kahanistan, but instead the consortium, and given the rest of your whinge to me.

TO: All Parties Concerned
FROM: USNSEA Minister of Foreign Affairs Joshua Lin
SUBJECT: Condemnation of Automagfreek's Actions

Speaking on the behalf of the cabinet and the people, we do not always agree with the Freek Government's ways of dealing with it's opponents, it at least gets the job done. But we do question the head-of-government of the of the Democratic Soviet Republic of Kahanistan....true, while your WMD doctrine is seen by (the majority) of the international community as acceptable, why did you not make an exception in the case of Automagfreek? If you know the history of the Excessively Armed Empire sufficiently, they deal with their enemies with an iron fist. You better thank your god that Automagfreek is at a state of 'Total War', General al-Ghazi, because if you think that Total War was the worst case scenario, let me ask you a question: have you ever heard of Austo Hungary? Or Blood Feud? If not, go get a history book. If it happened once and it is done in ways that make nutcases such as Vlad the Impaler look tame, then it can be prevented by most people can they?

Yours Truly,
His Excellency,
USNSEA Minister of Foreign Affairs
Joshua Lin

you could have simply replied IC, saying that it wasn't Kahanistan, but instead the consortium
That's precisely what I did say in my reply ("you would know of the full depths of depravity that the Consortium has sunk to"), but you just had to repeat your great comback again, huh? Whatever, it's not important, let's return to the rp.

That's precisely what I did say in my reply ("you would know of the full depths of depravity that the Consortium has sunk to"), but you just had to repeat your great comback again, huh? Whatever, it's not important, let's return to the rp.

OOC: Then do so. I believe I gave the last In character reply.

The sovereign supernationalities of Tahar Joblis have stated their support of the complaint against Automagfreek.

We condemn in no uncertain terms the wholesale slaughter of civilians by Automagfreek. The rampant imperialism of Automagfreek and the Kraven Corporation deserve neither apologist nor ally. This cannot be overlong tolerated.

The sovereign supernationalities of Tahar Joblis have stated their support of the complaint against Automagfreek.

We condemn in no uncertain terms the wholesale slaughter of civilians by Automagfreek. The rampant imperialism of Automagfreek and the Kraven Corporation deserve neither apologist nor ally. This cannot be overlong tolerated.

OOC: Is this Tahar Jobalis, or an imposter? Just curious...

If Xirnium wants to show Chellis where Kahanistan killed of AKA delegates, we would be more than willing to look at it. Such information is of interest to us.

To: The Holy Imperium of Banduria

No doubt it would be of interest to you, so that you can finally support the untenable Consortium lie that Kahanistan has done wrong and was not merely fighting against unjust aggression and against its very annihilation.

The High Ecclesiarchy wonders, however, where your “interest” is regarding the Consortium's barbarous execution of AKA delegates, which is something that actually happened unlike the vast amount of untruths being peddled about concerning Kahanistan's plight.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

OOC: Is this Tahar Jobalis, or an imposter? Just curious...OOC: The genuine ancient article. ;]

IC:

Around Tahar Joblis, select Public Commitees have begun debating and analyzing the course of future public policy towards Automagfreek as well as the other involved nations of the conflict. For decades, Tahar Joblis has remained at peace and refrained from intervening in foreign conflicts; it is uncertain if this is likely to change.

No doubt it would be of interest to you, so that you can finally support the untenable Consortium lie that Kahanistan has done wrong and was not merely fighting against unjust aggression and against its very annihilation.

The High Ecclesiarchy wonders, however, where your “interest” is regarding the Consortium's barbarous execution of AKA delegates, which is something that actually happened unlike the vast amount of untruths being peddled about concerning Kahanistan's plight.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

We grow tired of the constant, low pitched whine of a pathetic nation. We have seen no wrongs done by the consortium or Automagfreek. If Xirnium wishes to bring up evidence, instead of just claims, we would look at them, but we expect it to be a waste of time.

The sovereign supernationalities of Tahar Joblis have stated their support of the complaint against Automagfreek.

We condemn in no uncertain terms the wholesale slaughter of civilians by Automagfreek. The rampant imperialism of Automagfreek and the Kraven Corporation deserve neither apologist nor ally. This cannot be overlong tolerated.

Rampant imperialism you say? Name one instance where Automagfreek engaged in war for imperialistic reasons, because I will bet money that you cannot. We do not seek war my good man, war finds us...time and time again. We have never once fought a war for unjust or imperialistic reasons, and we do not intend to any time soon.

And once again your bleeding hearts ignore the cold facts of the war in Kahanistan. The generous use of VX nerve agent, military units taking shelter in civilian sectors, terrorist attacks by non-uniformed personnel, and so on. Truth be told, Kahanistan is to blame for forcing our hand. Chairman Bonesplitter made it quite clear in his doctorine that civilians were not to be engaged by AMF forces unless the widely accepted 'rules of war' were broken by the enemy. Kahanistan shattered them, and they got what they had coming.

And I'm afraid you do not know enough about this current conflict to make any sort of real and legitimate judgement. The fact of the matter is this, Automagfreek came to the aid of The Kraven Corporation who turned to us for assistance after they were unjustly attacked. If you consider coming to the defense of a nation in need "imperialism", then perhaps the people of Tahar Joblis should invest more heavily in education.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

We have seen no wrongs done by the consortium or Automagfreek.

To: The Holy Imperium of Banduria

Faced with the blind, zealous faith you have in Automagfreek, who needs evidence? If you really do care for the truth (which, of course, you don’t - how else would you maintain your hypocrisy?) you need only speak to Novacom Minister Hugoro ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9917946#post9917946) the only delegate to have survived (if only barely) the “peace-conference” with his life. Every other member was cruelly slaughtered ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9913575#post9913575).

But, of course, we don't expect you to take off your blinkers any time soon. I'm sure the delagates that attended the meeting and never returned just vanished into thin air. The High Ecclesiarchy is done bandying empty words with your nation.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

Rampant imperialism you say? Name one instance where Automagfreek engaged in war for imperialistic reasons, because I will bet money that you cannot. We do not seek war my good man, war finds us...time and time again. We have never once fought a war for unjust or imperialistic reasons, and we do not intend to any time soon.

To: The Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek

The High Ecclesiarchy refers to the edict (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9913543#post9913543) given by Supreme Warlord Damien Deadfire on the 10th of November:



Quite frankly a large scale war would be beneficial to the Empire for many reasons, several of them listed above. Expansion and egression are our primary driving factors, and a generous promise was given to us by Kraven of substantial lands gains for our services.


With respect, but what reasons are these but imperialistic reasons? In any case, it’s not really important now. Nations always go to war for their own interests, and neither Holy Xirnium nor the Excessively Armed Empire are exceptions to this rule. All that is important right now is saving lives. We continue to await your response to our humble request ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10000378#post10000378).

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

With respect, but what reasons are these but imperialistic reasons? In any case, it’s not really important now. Nations always go to war for their own interests, and neither Holy Xirnium nor the Excessively Armed Empire are exceptions to this rule. All that is important right now is saving lives. We continue to await your response to our request ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10000378#post10000378).

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

And Lord Dreadfire has expanded his Empire ten fold by peaceful means, as can be seen here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9977275). I fail to see why expansion of any kind is ruled as imperialistic. Automagfreek was promised lands for its services, but it was never stated at all that Automagfreek would have to forcibly take said lands ourselves. They were to be given to us as payment for our services. I fail to see how your point holds water.

Automagfreek only engages in warfare when its interests or allies (which nowadays are fewer than what they once were) are directly threatened, and it should be noted that before blows are exchanged that there is always some form of discussion beforehand. In this case Kahanistan chose to abandon the peace process and engage in criminal warfare against the Empire, to which they were properly punished.

Kahanistan will not be spared unless they unconditionally surrender. A nation that has resorted to those sort of tactics in a first strike manner cannot be granted allowances such as the ones granted to your nation. Kahanistan has proven itself too insane and unstable for that.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

OOC: BTW, don't confuse egression with aggression, they aren't the same thing. Not saying you did, but just letting you know.

Rampant imperialism you say? Name one instance where Automagfreek engaged in war for imperialistic reasons, because I will bet money that you cannot. We do not seek war my good man, war finds us...time and time again. We have never once fought a war for unjust or imperialistic reasons, and we do not intend to any time soon.Tahar Joblissan historians, weighing in upon the matter, have made frequent note of Automagfreek's prominent position in GDODAD, an organization responsible for instigating several worldwide wars and numerous smaller brushfires. GDODAD was by definition an imperialist organization, and one which Tahar Joblis fought tooth and nail to prevent foreign conquests by. Automagfreek's constant militarism under the leadership of Damien has led them to seek military solutions to the near complete exclusion of diplomatic solutions recently.

Roughly 70% of Tahar Joblissan political analysts surveyed have described Damien, in his missives during the recent war, as "eager" to amplify the conflict; 44% have been willing to go as far as to characterize the subtext as one of "high interest" in the disposition of Kahanistani territory and resources.And once again your bleeding hearts ignore the cold facts of the war in Kahanistan. The generous use of VX nerve agent, military units taking shelter in civilian sectors, terrorist attacks by non-uniformed personnel, and so on.The evidence at hand clearly indicates that such preparations took place subsequent to the initiation of total warfare by Freek allies. Massive indiscriminate bombing by Axis Nova killed ~2 million Kahanistani civilians prior to the defensive use of a chemical agent.

It was readily clear to Kahanistan, as it is to impartial investigators picking up the pieces subsequent to the invasion, that the Consortium had no intent to abide by any "rules of warfare" that might be recognized. The limited use of chemical weaponry by Kahanistani troops did not justify the immediate response (stated specifically by a public communique from none less than Damien himself) of indiscriminate and unmerciful slaughter of the entire population. The use of civilian "bodyshields" or "terror tactics" was not at the time stated to be of any importance to the Automagfreek head of state, only the temerity to use chemical weaponry in defense.Truth be told, Kahanistan is to blame for forcing our hand. Chairman Bonesplitter made it quite clear in his doctorine that civilians were not to be engaged by AMF forces unless the widely accepted 'rules of war' were broken by the enemy. Kahanistan shattered them, and they got what they had coming."The "rules" of warfare commonly accepted by many nations were shattered by the Consortium. Claims of Kahanistani intractability in the defense of their own nation pale at the widespread crimes of war committed by Automagfreek and its allies."

-Executive Subcommitee on Diplomatic Initiatives Co-Chair Meg Maltese, in a speech made shortly after the reception of Automagfreek's missive.And I'm afraid you do not know enough about this current conflict to make any sort of real and legitimate judgement. The fact of the matter is this, Automagfreek came to the aid of The Kraven Corporation who turned to us for assistance after they were unjustly attacked. If you consider coming to the defense of a nation in need "imperialism", then perhaps the people of Tahar Joblis should invest more heavily in education.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-"The temerity of Minister Hartman in insulting the world-renowned Tahar Joblissan education establishment is exceeded only by his creativity in trying to justify Automagfreek's poor decisions by claiming them to be in defense of an institution as barbaric and inhumane as the Kraven Corporation. We could call this a prime example of the "Big Lie," or we could psychoanalyze this as a demonstration of a projective defensive personality at work in the public domain. On the other tentacle, he may not be aware that, when acting in support of another nation, you assume a certain measure of diplomatic responsibility for their own atrocities, or that outright invasion of another nation's sovereign territory by landing soldiers with hostile intent in it against the will of that nation no longer qualifies as the simple defense of an ally, particularly when that nation's entire attention is dedicated at that point in time to its own defense." - Dr. Ned Smelters, frequent "talking head" on the "Late Night Comedy Blogs LIVE!" television show webcast from Taharasopolissa.

Diplomatic Ecclesiastical Message

To: Minister Hartman of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek
From: His Most Worthy High Ecclesiarchy of the Holy Empire of Xirnium

The High Ecclesiarchy fails to see any meaningful difference between going to war in order to forcibly annex territories and going to war with the promise that your nation will be awarded territories for its services. Also (according to Supreme Warlord Damien Deadfire’s own proclamation on the 10th of November) Kahanistan only a choice between the “Kraven Ultimatum” or death. The “Kraven Ultimatum”, at point 5, states that ‘Former Nations of the AKA Will supply 10% of their Female Population to the Capitol police Birthing Programme’. If this human tribute is not an imperialist demand, the High Ecclesiarchy suggests that the term “imperialist” has lost all meaning. We digress, however, since this isn’t what is important.

The High Ecclesiarchy had formed the opinion that your’s was a nation that could be reasoned with. Surely no reasonable nation would condemn the an entire people to death because the Kahanistanian government (in a desperate act of self-preservation and after the Consortium had already virtually declared its position that no quarter be given following the Axis Novan terror-bombing campaign) defensively used chemical weapons against a military target?

If you insist on your excessive demand that only unconditional surrender will be accepted you may as well carry out your genocidal campaign, for an unconditional surrender is nothing less then a licence to do this anyway. No nation that values the welfare of its citizenry would ever willingly submit to unconditional surrender, for to do so is to surrender one’s people to the legal right to exterminate every man, woman and child of the vanquished nation.

We continue to hope that you might reconsider this point, and end the senseless slaughter.

Lady High Grand Cardinal Heather Gilda

"There is nothing but dishonour in the wholesale slaughter of those who cannot fight -- women, children, cripples, elders -- and I can guarantee you on my honour and in the unspoken names of the Great Gods of Fire that there is not a single Charr soul in or around the combat area. The United Clans remain neutral in this conflict. Let it be known, however, that this is the first day since the conception of our alliance that members of the Council have seen fit to question our allegiances. I would very much hate to hear of our great Clan Leaders being forced to question them again.

Kahanistan, however, has used weapons of mass destruction. This moots any dishonour performed by AMFs troops for the moment. Kahanistan troops hide in bunkers, disgracing themselves by praying that chemicals will fight on their behalf so that they can avoid divine judgement for a few days longer. There is no greater dishonour that I can conceive of. There is no clearer expression of cowardice. There is no better reason for their deaths. This act is completely intolerable, and I pray that the Gods of Fire will torture their souls for an eternity for this transgression. So far as the United Clans are concerned, this disgusting display neutralises anything AMF has done in this conflict.

We shall not condemn AMF for their actions. But we will not support them either."

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Bonfaaz Burntfur

IIS Building Four

The small man looked up from the computer terminal. "Quite...so it seems that AMF has made some people upset."
"Quite sir, it seems that some of their allies in the region are unhappy with the mass civilian slaughter."
"Caused by the use of WMD in theater correct? VX actually?"
"Quite sir...Of course one does wonder about what that is doing to the local population."

The small man narrowed his eyes for a moment. "Ah and the Vrakians threw a grenade into the pot to see what the effect was..."

"Quite...seems their doing some recruiting..."

"Personally, I don't think there is going to be much left to recruit once this is over. A dead land of bodies, bones, and soil so poisoned with VX that it will take centuries to clean it all."

"So sir...?"

"This goes in the things that don't really matter pile. When it's all said and done the people of Kahanistan will likely be an extinct race within a few months."

Come now Mr. Ell, Lord Dreadfire is much too busy running and defending his Empire to attend peace talks, and his son Azrael was given authority to negotiate on his behalf.

If the source of your condemnation is the fact that Azrael used the threat of Gholgothian intervention to possibly force a surrender and avert a war, then I can tell you that your argument is petty. I would threaten the wrath of the Gods themselves if I thought it would keep a war from starting, and any sensible person would do the same. If the name Gholgoth can scare an aggressor to the point of compliance, then all the better. I would not think twice if Crimmond, Sigma Octavus, or even Doujin used the name 'Gholgoth' to try to defuse a conflict through threat of force.

Besides, several Gholgothian nations were about to enter the fray anyways, and thus Gholgoth would would indeed be involved, rendering your argument worthless. It is common knowledge that Automagfreek would not hesitate to assist any of our regional allies should they request it, for any reason. Automagfreek would expect the same from those inside Gholgoth, for we are a no nonsense region that looks out for its own.

AMF is seriously reconsidering this in the case of Samtonia and Pacitalia. None of our other regionmates would dare draw such public accusations against us, and Automagfreek is both shocked and disappointed in both of you and the Council of Thirteen. Why should we render our unconditional services to nations that openly condemn us? Have you not thought of the fallout that will result from this?

It is no secret that the Klatch share a distaste for one of our Gholgothian allies in Drakonian Imperium. There are others out there that watch our movements closely as well. What if they start sensing weakness? What if they get the impression that our region is failing and move against us? By publically condemning us and not keeping this an internal affair, you have possibly put the entire region in danger.

You should have thought of the consequences of such actions before you made them. Make no mistake about it, Automagfreek will not feel the way it did towards Samtonia and Pacitalia for a long time.


Listen here boy, you must not understand how things really work in the world. The fact of the matter is this, Automagfreek is quite possibly one of the most hated nations in the world. Having our own regionmates publically condemn, not question, CONDEMN us puts us in an even more difficult position. You did not "question" our military policy, you hung us out to dry.

Contrary to popular belief we would rather not have countless nations rise up to try and vanquish Automagfreek, like doing so will grant them glory and make them a 'superpower'.

Do you have any idea what it is like Mr. Ell to have your nation constantly in a state of war? Do you know what it is like to constantly have to defend yourself and your interests without a moment's rest? No, you don't. You enjoy your peace and prosperity without having to constantly repell attack after attack with your very existance in constant jeopardy. You sit back and point your finger in the distance, judging people like myself whom you know nothing about.

You still do not realize what you have done by publically condemning, not questioning, condemning us. I promise you Mr. Ell that this will only lead to more turmoil, and more nations will muster the courage to rise against us.

This whole argument of yours is so petty. You are pouting because the name 'Gholgoth' was thrown down as one of many tools to avert war, and you don't want your precious nation to be associated. This sounds like something I would expect to hear from a schoolgirl, not a national leader. As stated before, any rational thinking person would use such a fearsome name to their advantage to avoid a long and bloody war, and Automagfreek would think nothing of it if a fellow Gholgothian did so.


Having dealt with you in the past Hartman, I would have expected you of all people in leadership positions to keep a civil head about the affair. Mud flinging from Damien is expected and even welcome at times, but I expected that you of all people would attempt to keep an air of civility about the matter.

Now that you’ve responded in such a forceful way to Ell, I’m going to have to bring out the exact same tone of reply. For one, your entire position in this matter is a blatant affront to the statements that were made by both my Council and Pacitalia. Did we condemn you for using Gholgoth to try to stave off war? Did we condemn you for using the threat of Gholgoth as a hammer in diplomacy? No. Not once. Every ounce of condemnation was saved for the use of Gholgoth as a justification for wholesale slaughter of innocent combatants in a policy that is, quite frankly, beyond human depravity.

Gholgoth’s name was used as part of the very real threat from AMF of extermination of other nations. Had Gholgoth not been mentioned, perhaps we could have kept this dispute in private. However, you brought up the name and for that you got the results you now see. The region of Gholgoth will never support your policy of wanton extermination so long as either my nation or Pacitalia resides inside the region. This view has already been given to you by my nation, at length in private company, but it was apparent it was not heeded. When we fought together under Brimstone your forces were ready to embark for the shores of Safehaven2 with the intent to slaughter. Only through the protests of myself and the rest of the Council were we able to stop the assured slaughter of hundreds of millions. That matter was private and we assumed that you would realize our objections in slaughtering innocents of nations far inferior to you in the future. We were wrong.

I’m sorry if you disagree Hartman, but in my book, speaking one’s mind is something sorely lacking in politicking these days. You certainly seem to take a view in this regard, with the ad homonym attacks upon foreign nations and foreign leaders. But with this belief comes a responsibility for me and the Council to truthfully speak our minds when in disagreement with others. Now was one of these times. WE have not, will not, and do not approve of your policy of mass killings, no matter the actions of foreign nationals. In the Samtonian mind, kill those among whom enemy troops hide- the people aiding them, not simply innocent bystanders. Kill those among the enemy who sets booby traps- not those unfortunate to be in the area when they go off. Hunt down and kill those responsible for NBC usage- the military and government of foreign nations, not its helpless civilians. I never can imagine us seeing eye-to-eye on this issue.

This does not make it right for the region that we are all a part of to have its name used in a manner both I, the Council, and Mr Ell’s government saw as aiding and abetting your policy of genocidal mania. Frankly, I don’t give a damn if other nations support you in your actions. Frankly, I don’t give a damn if it becomes right the whole world over to commit the atrocities that you commit. Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about whether or not your nation might be more powerful than mine or more defensive than mine or more adept at warfare than mine. In the opinion of both me and my nation, standing up for our values is far more important than currying your favor.

And to use Gholgoth in the manner we saw it used is to give implicit support of your policies of every nation in Gholgoth. Minister Hartman, a bit of a news flash: AMF is not always supported by every nation in its region. Should AMF itself be threatened, should the region come under attack, or should any ally be threatened, Samtonia will be the first to help. This does not mean, however, we will simply ignore gratuitous breaches of basic human dignity by AMF. Allegations have been made in the past that your allies were little more than “lapdogs” and jumped to your beck and call. Perhaps even you started to believe this fallacy. Hopefully, this condemnation brings everyone who thought that back to their senses.

Frankly Hartman, your thinly veiled threats do little to scare me. Toss Samtonia out of Gholgoth for speaking against a policy you embrace. Don’t come to Samtonia’s aid when we’re in need. Feel free to carry out any of your thinly hidden threats but remember that you will lose an ally who, though stringently against your policies and actions, has always stood by you. Always. Public opinion would love pulling out of alliances with your nation Hartman. Always has, always will. We haven’t and that says something about the depths to which we will go for you. Or is Brimstone fading that fast from your mind?

Should Gholgoth or its members ever be threatened by an outside force, prior experience has shown Samtonia will rise to defend. Hartman, if our standing up publicly to these atrocious actions and policies is what will shatter an alliance that has stood with AMF since Samtonia entered the halls of world power, then I urge you to cull the “traitors” of Samtonia and Pacitalia from Gholgoth as soon as you can, because it would be apparent that we could not ever find common ground with someone who would disown us that quickly.

As for the rest of you- I don’t and neither does Pacitalia care what your stances are on the matter. From blind servitude trying to cull favor to absolute hatred of AMF, every viewpoint has been shown and attacked. And yet, that was not the point of this declaration. We were not urging other nations to share opinions- we were putting it upon the public record that we saw distasteful attitudes and policies in AMF’s actions. If we wished to gain your illustrious opinions, we most certainly would have asked for them.

We did not and I am sure that both Mr. Ell and Mr. Hartman would join me in saying that though the bleating of many can get annoying, it will not serve to derail the conversation between region mates.

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Carl Vanderhoven, Minister of Foreign Affairs

To: The Holy Imperium of Banduria

Faced with the blind, zealous faith you have in Automagfreek, who needs evidence? If you really do care for the truth (which, of course, you don’t - how else would you maintain your hypocrisy?) you need only speak to Novacom Minister Hugoro ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9917946#post9917946) the only delegate to have survived (if only barely) the “peace-conference” with his life. Every other member was cruelly slaughtered ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9913575#post9913575).

But, of course, we don't expect you to take off your blinkers any time soon. I'm sure the delagates that attended the meeting and never returned just vanished into thin air. The High Ecclesiarchy is done bandying empty words with your nation.

Lord High Grand Cardinal Ertham Nidor

Xirnium has not shown us any proof of a slaughter, by either the consortium(whom we have not involved ourselfs with in any direct manner), nor automagfreek. We would be interested in seeing information about the actual events, and not having to create an ending for ourselves with our imaginations.

OOC: No ambassadors are slaughtered in that thread. It simply dies out around the end. If you want to show me where TIR, Kraven, etc actually slaughters, or admits they slaughtered, its godmodding to say they did so.

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

Perhaps it is time I bench the good Minister. Mr. Vanderhoven, you are right when you say that we will never see eye to eye on this matter. Quite frankly the notion that this is about the use of the name 'Gholgoth' is a red herring. That is not the issue, because leaders of men do not react so childishly over such things.

This is, as you said, about the slaughter that took place in Kahanistan. Now, regardless of any AMF doctorine, regardless of any provocation by Kahanistani forces, you will never see our actions as justified. Your...disapproval has blinded you so much that you have tunnel vision, and at the center is AMF. You are not able to see that we allowed people to exit the country freely. You are not able to see that we issued the warning to all civilians to clear out. You are not able to see that we are in negotiations to exacuate more people from Najaster before we move in. All you see is the horror.

And why is that? Perhaps jealousy, perhaps hatred....I myself will never know. What I do know is that I would have expected you to take the blinders off and open your god damn eyes. I don't like the messy business of war nor do I get off on mass extermination. However, I do not feel on ounce of pity for any nation that brings such terrible wrath upon them, knowing full well what we are capable of doing. Kahanistan had been told several times that they simply could not repell us and that they would suffer greatly, and they took our words with a grain of salt. The only way they would learn was the hard way, and perhaps it is better now because once the killing stops, Kahanistan will be a changed nation....a better nation. They will value thier own existance much more, and perhaps they won't be so quick to go toe to toe with one such as myself.

You speak of avoiding civilian casualties like you actually know what you're talking about. Bullshit, Mr. Vanderhoven, you don't know the first thing about the blood and guts of war. You've never personally driven up enemy infested beachheads. You've never seen your men torn to pieces by hailstorms of gunfire. You've never seen the destruction of chemical weapons. You've never seen any of these things....but I have, personally. It is so easy for you politicians to sit back and point your fingers at nations such as Automagfreek and criticize us, like you know what it is like to be in our shoes.

You don't realize that no matter how hard you try, civilians are going to get killed. I would have thought that after all the wars AMF has fought in that it would be common knowledge that unless you have a death wish, you get the fuck out of our way and stay the fuck out of our way. No civilian with any sense of self preservation would willingly sit in the path of a Sentinel offensive. Nobody who wants to live will put themselves in the path of our fire, because nothing that gets in our way survives.

This is why we allow people to leave beforehand, and in fact we encourage it. But still innocents are going to be killed no matter what, and this is further intensified when military units begin using the civilian populace to hide and fight in. It becomes hard to distinguish friendly from foe when non-uniformed fighters engage our forces with terror attacks. It becomes hard to allow people to leave a combat area knowing that there are soldiers hiding amongst the civilian ranks, waiting for the chance to get behind you and shoot you when you are not looking.

You think there's a script for fighting a war without pissing somebody off? Follow the rules and nobody gets hurt? Yes, innocent people died. Innocent people always die, but I did not exceed my authority in Kahanistan. I did what was neccessary considering the circumstances and the blatent disregard for any 'rules of war' by my enemy. We did not go into Kahanistan with intent to kill everything we saw, but the circumstances that unfolded changed that.

Nothing I say can change your feeble, closed minds....nor do I want to. I will not waste my time or energy defending the actions of my military to people who, quite frankly, are just not interested. But know this: don't think for one second that I give a damn what you or anyone else thinks. You will continue sitting back, penciling and politicking away, judging people like me whom you don't understand. And of course you always fear what you don't understand, isn't that right?

And of course you will say otherwise, but that's what I expect out of you...and that's what I expect out of the world. But you know what, you need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers, and say "that's the bad guy." So, what'll that make you, good? You're not good. You just know how to hide...how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

Offical Religious Imperium Statement

You're a very strange and unsual man Mr. Dreadfire. Though, I understand you a bit better I like to believe. See, unlike Mr.Vanderhoven I understand you play a critical role in our society. My role is to lead a religious nation and make the athiest say: "Look at those religious nuts and their scumish ways. Let us take pride in our insulting them". You, my friend, play a role similar. You play the role of the butcher, the evil dictator. You Mr. Dreadfire are a social drug. You may ask how this is possible? Well lets look for example, as you made this infamous quote:

You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers, and say "that's the bad guy." So, what'll that make you, good?

Your a social drug in the sense that leaders can tell their people: "Look! I am a great man when compared to this monster! See, look at me and my apathetic, timid, lying ways! Vote for me, for my oppenet is like Dreadfire!"

See Mr. Dreadfire, take pride in the fact that you are used by politicans world wide to boost their image. Be glad that even long after you death, long after the fear of your name wears off, your name will live on as being used to boost the "virtue" of one politican or another.

And if you refuse to believe that, take pride in the fact that under your watch over population will never occur.

Signed,
Emperor Pierce Remington I

((OOC-A month after I started playing here, Automagfreek rejoined and half the world's military nations nearly shit themselves. He was simply THE strongest military power in the world. No one could touch him, and everyone wanted him as an ally. I take it things have changed?

Tag))

The Senate of Kattor can no longer stand by and watch this. We request permission to send aide to Kahanistan. Regardless of Automagfreek's co-operation we will be sending medics to help the civilans, though we want nothing to do with Kahanistan's corrupted government that would use such tatics in civilan area, regardless if the civilans were there or not. We mean no insult to the Automagfreek Empire but the people of Kattor can no longer stand by and watch the suffering. We request you begin no war with us as we are scarecly armed. We will most likely never see eye to eye on what you are doing but if we are to be absorbed into your empire, we will at least have this as a final action. If you invade Kattor you will most likely absorb us, but we will not go silently into the peaceful night. We plea you don't declare war on us for this, but if you do you will not receive a surrender. We respect your armies, we respect you, but we just cannot stand to see the suffering of people.

Your's Graciously,
Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi

Bill of Releif signed by,

Senator Hikara
Senator Miles
Senator Tien
Senator He-ton
Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi

((OOC-A month after I started playing here, Automagfreek rejoined and half the world's military nations nearly shit themselves. He was simply THE strongest military power in the world. No one could touch him, and everyone wanted him as an ally. I take it things have changed?

Tag))((He's not really been "the" strongest military power; there are loads of hideously powerful militaries out there... most, however, don't make a habit of throwing their weight around randomly. Russian Forces, for example, although still active, is larger with every bit as power-played a military, but simply doesn't place himself into the public eye as much as AMF does.

Realistically speaking, throwing your weight around weakens you quickly; you begin to run yourself out of resources and your army gets worn out, and people increasingly see you as an inhumane menace rather than an ally. This sort of thing happens to a degree in RL as well.))

The Senate of Kattor can no longer stand by and watch this. We request permission to send aide to Kahanistan. Regardless of Automagfreek's co-operation we will be sending medics to help the civilans, though we want nothing to do with Kahanistan's corrupted government that would use such tatics in civilan area, regardless if the civilans were there or not. We mean no insult to the Automagfreek Empire but the people of Kattor can no longer stand by and watch the suffering. We request you begin no war with us as we are scarecly armed. We will most likely never see eye to eye on what you are doing but if we are to be absorbed into your empire, we will at least have this as a final action. If you invade Kattor you will most likely absorb us, but we will not go silently into the peaceful night. We plea you don't declare war on us for this, but if you do you will not receive a surrender. We respect your armies, we respect you, but we just cannot stand to see the suffering of people.

Your's Graciously,
Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi

Bill of Releif signed by,

Senator Hikara
Senator Miles
Senator Tien
Senator He-ton
Supreme Chancellor Evan Ryoushi

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

The people of Kahanistan are ruled by a religous nut who refuses common sense and believes that their 'Allah' will come to their aid. Of course we sensible people know that Gods do not meddle in the affairs of men, and the ignorance of the Kahanistan government is causing more suffering than the my armies.

As long as this war rages on they will still believe they can win, and therefore I believe they will only cause the suffering to continue. If you truely wish to help the Kahanistani people, then implore the government to surrender and end the killing. There are few cities in Kahanistan that have not felt the wrath of the Sentinels and the Fallen, and those that have not will soon be under siege. This is something that has been set in motion and cannot be undone, unless the Kahanistan government acts now.

They simply refuse to realize they have been beaten, and that my friend can cause more damage to the innocents than any bullet or bomb.

I am sorry, but as long as this fanatical government remains in power they will continue to think they have hope of winning, and the war will have to end its course. Therefore I urge you to petition the Kahanistani government to surrender, as our attempts to do so have been thrown back in our face.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

((He's not really been "the" strongest military power; there are loads of hideously powerful militaries out there... most, however, don't make a habit of throwing their weight around randomly.

OOC: And neither do I. I have never once gone to war without either being attacked, or having to come to the aid of a friend who specifically requests help. I don't blindly jump to the defense of just anybody, they have to ask and I have to consider it.

Russian Forces, for example, although still active, is larger with every bit as power-played a military, but simply doesn't place himself into the public eye as much as AMF does.

RF doesn't RP anymore, let alone post. So I guess this might be accurate....

Realistically speaking, throwing your weight around weakens you quickly; you begin to run yourself out of resources and your army gets worn out, and people increasingly see you as an inhumane menace rather than an ally. This sort of thing happens to a degree in RL as well.))

I've pretty much adapted to a state of constant or near constant warfare. Human and material resources aren't really a problem due to the unusually high number of trade agreements, plus I like to buy up unoccupied land and strip the resources out of it.

As far as menace goes...well, shit happens I guess. Wars tend to find me more than I find wars.

OOC:This is in response to all of your previous comments, most prominently This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10001372&postcount=35) and this. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10001472&postcount=39)

Official Yaforite Response

And yet, oh mighty Damien Dreadfire, you continue, in your own petty way, to attempt to get your own way, despite everything that occurs. What rational-minded man does so, Mr. Dreadfire? Perhaps your mouth, Minister Hartman, will tell us? Or does he not have the proper confirmation? Or perhaps you are too afraid, Damien, too afraid to face up to what you have done.

Pacitalia and Samtonia first called you out to prove why you have done what you have done. So far, have you given one shred of evidence to justify your acts? Against the Anti-Kraven Alliance, you fought in self defense, but when is self defense an excuse for mindless murder, torture, and genocide? Since when was "self defense" and excuse to destroy the world?

And against Kahanistan? You spoke of "weapons of mass destruction" and "the killing of innocents". Stopping these henious actions is applaudable in itself, but when has Automagfreek shown interest in stopping mass murder and weapons in the wrong hands? For the latter, do you recall Feline Catfish? For the former, look at Freekian actions accross the board, including, surprisingly, their first action mentioned here.

And yet, Damien Dreadfire, you use "Minister Hartman" to insult a prominent pacifist and member of the global community, Pacitalia, and a respected nation throughout the world, Samtonia, while, all the while trying to mask your own actions via claiming that "None of our other regionmates would dare draw such public accusations against us". Of what relevance is this to the case at hand, Mr. Dreadfire? If it is, why not answer more important questions beforehand; and justify your actions.

You continue, Mr. Dreadfire, to divert, insult, and crazily give nonsensical information berefit of meaning and relevance, thereby implying that you are guilty. For does the criminal not give an alibi or, when he has none, change the subject, when under question? Damien Dreadfire, it is your arguements that are petty, useless, and nonsensical; not what you would expect from a nation such as you.

May our differences be resolved someday, but this day, you have much to answer to.

"In Peace Do We Stand; It Is In War That We Fall."

~Signed~
Rudiv Sodo
Elected Duke of The Grand Democratic Duchy of Yafor 2.

Offical Religious Imperium Statement

You're a very strange and unsual man Mr. Dreadfire. Though, I understand you a bit better I like to believe. See, unlike Mr.Vanderhoven I understand you play a critical role in our society. My role is to lead a religious nation and make the athiest say: "Look at those religious nuts and their scumish ways. Let us take pride in our insulting them". You, my friend, play a role similar. You play the role of the butcher, the evil dictator. You Mr. Dreadfire are a social drug. You may ask how this is possible? Well lets look for example, as you made this infamous quote:



Your a social drug in the sense that leaders can tell their people: "Look! I am a great man when compared to this monster! See, look at me and my apathetic, timid, lying ways! Vote for me, for my oppenet is like Dreadfire!"

See Mr. Dreadfire, take pride in the fact that you are used by politicans world wide to boost their image. Be glad that even long after you death, long after the fear of your name wears off, your name will live on as being used to boost the "virtue" of one politican or another.

And if you refuse to believe that, take pride in the fact that under your watch over population will never occur.

Signed,
Emperor Pierce Remington I

Except Automagfreek doesn't prescribe to such foolish beliefs. You are doing the same thing you talk about others doing, just in a small, different manner. You are associating yourself with someone you don't see a problem with. And by saying what you have, you are simply trying to say "See him? He's a scapegoat, people don't like him! Same with me! Don't dislike me, because I'm a scapegoat too!"

If there has been a greater injustice to automagfreek, being compared to such ipathetic nations, we have not seen it.

((He's not really been "the" strongest military power; there are loads of hideously powerful militaries out there... most, however, don't make a habit of throwing their weight around randomly. Russian Forces, for example, although still active, is larger with every bit as power-played a military, but simply doesn't place himself into the public eye as much as AMF does.

Realistically speaking, throwing your weight around weakens you quickly; you begin to run yourself out of resources and your army gets worn out, and people increasingly see you as an inhumane menace rather than an ally. This sort of thing happens to a degree in RL as well.))

OOC: I never really thought of RF being one of the strongest military powers... He was strong, but he was a regional power in all senses of the word.

OOC: Okay, Chellis, that's clearly enough. If you want to keep going on your little side arguments, make a topic in General or keep it to IC.

OOC: Yafor, that's the problem with replying to previous comments...the discussion has advanced significantly since then. This thread is pretty much dead, and has been continued in this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=456603

Plus, I'm sure statements like this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10008811&postcount=21) could easily refute most of your accusations.

OOC:Thanks. Ahh...well...