NationStates Jolt Archive

Given the advent of unrestricted submarine warfare, The lengthening range of Naval Artillery and the use of Aircraft flying from ships several aspects of the laws of the sea should be modified.

I. In the case of Unrestricted Sub-surface warfare by submerisbles, their commanders are required to
a. Make all possible effort to identify their prey
b. Only attack shipping, regardless of Destination, that is flagged as a Belligerant.
c. Neutral Vessels shall be subject to search if they are approaching a war or blockade zone.
d. Neutral Vessels will be turned away if they are carrying supplies of war, of which will be defined by this conference(OOC: this will be very open to debate)





II. Territorial Exclusion rights
a. the territorial waters of a nation shall extend 25 miles from its shore
b. in the case of straights of passage where they are narrower than 50 miles across, the middle of the straight shall be the established boundry line


III. Economic Exclusion (fishing, etc.)
a. an economic Exclusion zone of 200 miles shall extend from a nations shores
b. no economic activites shall be commenced within this exclusion zone unless express permission is given by the nation in control of said zone
c. The presence of a vessel carrying aircraft with offensive striking capability within this zone without prior notification(ooc:not approval just notificiation) shall be considered a hostile act and that nation may act to protect itself.

Delegates
Empire of Nippon-Admiral Saito Makoto
Union-Maksim Litvinov
United States of America-Cordull Hull
Argentina-Daniel Victor Maroni
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland-Mr. Joseph Gibbon
Middle Eastern Union-Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam
Vietnam-Nyugen Thgo Tin




OOC: just a draft for now, but i think this merits approval and I'm definetly open to more suggestions

The Middle Eastern Union Government will send Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam to this meeting.

Maksim Litvinov will represent the Sovereign People's Conciliar Union.

OoC: And remember, the Union is both Russia and Germany now.

Maksim Litvinov will represent the Sovereign People's Conciliar Union.

OoC: And remember, the Union is both Russia and Germany now.

OOC: with the constant name changing and merging of nations its hard to tell what to call you anymore. J/K

The Theocratic Principality of Nuekallaya whole heartedly supports these laws as they would of prevented a recent conflict with Xirnium.

The Theocratic Principality of Nuekallaya whole heartedly supports these laws as they would of prevented a recent conflict with Xirnium.


closed RP buddy.

Britain will sign such a treaty on account:

that it clearly states the conditions under which enemy merchant vessels may be attacked;
that it clearly states the roles and responsibilities of submarine commanders;
that it exempts the following from hostile attack: Hospital ships, life rafts, vessels engaged in the transport of prisoners of war, vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, vessels engaged in transporting cultural property under special protection, exclusively passenger vessels, vessels which have surrendered;
that it states the protection offered to neutral vessels;
that it defines the role of an enemy in collecting and caring for the shipwrecked;

Mr. Joseph Gibbon wil represent The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland at this treaty convention.

Viet Nam will send Nyugen Thgo tin to represent the peole at this conference.

OOC: ::cracks knuckles::
time to cover the subject of Admiralty courts


Current Admirilaty courts shall still enforce the laws of the Seas in International waters unless the judge of that court is from a belligerant power in which case a judge from a neutral nation must be found

OOC: what I'm trying to say is that if Britain is at war with China, and a person from china is being tried in an admiralty court with a british judge thats not kosher.

that it exempts the following from hostile attack: Hospital ships, life rafts, vessels engaged in the transport of prisoners of war, vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, vessels engaged in transporting cultural property under special protection, exclusively passenger vessels, vessels which have surrendered
These vessels will have to exhaustively defined before the Union can consent to such exemptions. After all, a single ship may carry both medical supplies and armaments, or passengers and soldiers. The presence of any specifically military value to a given ship's cargo must invalidate all protections, or the Union will not sign.

c. Neutral Vessels shall be subject to search if they are approaching a war or blockade zone.
d. Neutral Vessels will be turned away if they are carrying supplies of war, of which will be defined by this conference
The Union will agree to this. We furthermore suggest that trading military supplies with a belligerent state ought to constitute an implied violation of neutrality, and that such cargoes should be subject seizure prior to turning the neutral-flagged vessel away.

a. the territorial waters of a nation shall extend 25 miles from its shore
b. in the case of straights of passage where they are narrower than 50 miles across, the middle of the straight shall be the established boundry line
These borders are much too far from shore, and moreover if followed, would severely limit the Union's access to the Pacific (and particularly the Bering). As the wording stands, it is unacceptable. At the very least, bilateral agreements should supercede this as a standard, but the Union believes that the seas should be open to all [OoC: Can you believe I just said that?], and this should be taken into account where narrow passages to open waters are concerned.

The United States will attend, and will have some proposals

ooc
when the US player is less exhausted

These borders are much too far from shore, and moreover if followed, would severely limit the Union's access to the Pacific (and particularly the Bering). As the wording stands, it is unacceptable. At the very least, bilateral agreements should supercede this as a standard, but the Union believes that the seas should be open to all [OoC: Can you believe I just said that?], and this should be taken into account where narrow passages to open waters are concerned.

The Japanese Delegate Admiral Saito Makoto responds

"We feel with Naval gunnery able to pound a nations defenses from International waters that a longer exclusion range is needed. Moreover if both sides of a straight are controlled by a nation and the straight is less than 50 miles wide, than that nation de facto controls that particular passage. And yes it should be amended that a bilateral agreement between two nations about a certain body of water can supercede this treaty. If the straight is joint controlled. Otherwise if a nation has de facto control of a straight then seperate agreements can be reached about access to that straight. (OOC: get with me on TG's I know we can work something out vas)

Daniel Victor Maroni, the Argentine delegate, begins writting out possible solutions.

OOC: Tag, and I'll post when I have more time.

The United States will attend, and will have some proposals

ooc
when the US player is less exhausted

Wierd how we go on vacation to get tired :P

Parthini']Wierd how we go on vacation to get tired :P

ooc
just wait until you have to travel 10 hours by car with your screaming kids.

IC
The US is sending Secretary of State Cordull Hull, and is studying the current proposals at this time.

However, the Japanese proposal is interesting, as is the Russian response.

Indeed some terms will need to be hammered out. All belligrent ships (medical or otherwise) and neutral ships should be subject to search by warships and protection of medical vessels etc. be withdrawn if evidence of deception is discovered. Other terms should be added as well, including identifying marks for medical vessels etc.

Burgundy will send a delegate to this meeting

(OOC: i'm running low on names of Luxembourg diplomats)

Burgundy will send a delegate to this meeting

(OOC: i'm running low on names of Luxembourg diplomats)


OOC: just out of curiosity, how does this affect you at all, your landlocked right?

I send myself out of interest to find what this might mean to an under water nation. And to find out about some pictures of ships.
Optischer

I send myself out of interest to find what this might mean to an under water nation. And to find out about some pictures of ships.
Optischer


CLOSED RP


KEEP OUT

E20 ONLY!!!!!!!!!

ooc
just wait until you have to travel 10 hours by car with your screaming kids.

I'd prefer a World War...

did this conference fail? or is it merely stalled for years and years like the real one