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Then you are a far flung Future Tech Nation, in which case, it falls under what the nation attacking likes to RP with, if he doesnt RP with FT nations, then you are under warrant for an ignore. If not, then the RP goes forward.

My comment still stands.

My comment still stands.

good for you

And my comment stands as well, you just keep trying this FT stuff, you'll be toast.

ok fine my glass has a heavy melt shutter that goes over it in case of a blast. Anyways a bio weapon wont work.

Oh, PUHLEASE! Still dead! There is no metal, alloy, etc, that can stop a direct hit by a nuclear fireball, and a bunker-busting nuke can go STRAIGHT through before detonating(a conventional bunker-buster can penetrate nuclear concrete silos designed to take a Thermonuclear Device Detonated in the AIR, if said device is detonated on the ground, the silos dead).

norad has a door that can survive a thermo nuke.

My stance on the matter: RP reasonably, or be ignored for the rest of the Kraven conflict.

Correction... they have TWO big concrete doors inside a LONG tunnel with(possibly) their own concrete doors. And even NORAD(which is built inside of a mountain) would be destroyed if said mountain recieved a direct hit from a large yield(say, 10 megatons or more), surface bursted nuke. Not only would the top of the mountain be vaporised, but the shockwave could also literally shake the mountain to pieces.

norad has a door that can survive a thermo nuke.

NORAD has a door that can survive a close range airburst, not a point-blank groundburst. NOTHING, even FT, can survive a pointblank nuke completely intact.

ok what if all my citys were under mountains, ooooooooo what then?

norad has a door that can survive a thermo nuke.

NORAD is buried in a mountain, and that's an airburst nuke. A bunker-buster would kill it dead just fine.

If you ignore him, you give him exactly what he wants, a reprieve.

If you ignore him, you give him exactly what he wants, a reprieve.
But we also get what we want, him out of the entire conflict. Not that he's contributed much useful so far anyway.

llol hey thaught you were on my side lol.

My stance on the matter: RP reasonably, or be ignored for the rest of the Kraven conflict.

I'm already ignoring him, he's Godmodding, period. I just feel like arguing the point because he's being intransigent about it.

I'm already ignoring him, he's Godmodding, period. I just feel like arguing the point because he's being intransigent about it.


Dude i never started thsi thing about nukes i just said bio weapons are of no use. Unless you can prove me wronge. im gonna keep my postion.

ok what if all my citys were under mountains, ooooooooo what then?


You still face the same problems. Underground cities are quite possibly one of the worst ideas you can come up with. You have nowhere to escape, and precious things such as...oh...AIR can still be cut off easily.

thats brings me back to my air genorator.

ok what if all my citys were under mountains, ooooooooo what then?

No... Just NO. Again, even NORAD cannot take a full on groundburst direct contact strikwe from a nuclear weapon.

under a mountain not in a mountain.

Dude i never started thsi thing about nukes i just said bio weapons are of no use. Unless you can prove me wronge. im gonna keep my postion.

Fine then, we'll just starve your ass out.

under a mountain not in a mountain.


Doesn't matter, you still run into the same problems. You could be 50 feet or 500 feet underground, it makes no difference.

Do you know just how much carbon dioxide an entire city full of people produce?

Fine then, we'll just starve your ass out.

Dude, MY CITYS MAKE THERE OWN FOOD!! and by the time you do that i would have beattin your butts back to your nations.

Doesn't matter, you still run into the same problems. You could be 50 feet or 500 feet underground, it makes no difference.

Do you know just how much carbon dioxide an entire city full of people produce?

My genorators convert carbon diovide into air dude.

Hang on folks.

I thought WMD's were out anyway.

I'm confused....

Dude, MY CITYS MAKE THERE OWN FOOD!! and by the time you do that i would have beattin your butts back to your nations.

mmhmm, then why do you have farms above ground?

Hang on folks.

I thought WMD's were out anyway.

I'm confused....

hes got a point karven cant use bio weapons.

mmhmm, then why do you have farms above ground?

just to make other foods that we cant make in our city.

My genorators convert carbon diovide into air dude.


And what powers these generators? How do you create said power, is it geothermal, solar, fossil fuel, hydroelectic?

Where do the by products of the conversion process go?

hes got a point karven cant use bio weapons.

I didn't say only Kraven couldn't.

Kraven himself banned WMD's (nukes, bioweapons, and chemical weapons) for ALL involved nations.

And what powers these generators? How do you create said power, is it geothermal, solar, fossil fuel, hydroelectic?

Where do the by products of the conversion process go?

somtin like the hover dam under ground. And they just get trown someplace.

I didn't say only Kraven couldn't.

Kraven himself banned WMD's (nukes, bioweapons, and chemical weapons) for ALL involved nations.

ok so i can just ignore his post cool.

just to make other foods that we cant make in our city.

Lik, oh say, just about anything that requires sunlight to grow?

And animals take alot more air than people do, meaning you run into the recurring air problem.

Lik, oh say, just about anything that requires sunlight to grow?

And animals take alot more air than people do, meaning you run into the recurring air problem.


AH air genorators and organic food dude.

somtin like the hover dam under ground. And they just get trown someplace.

So you mean to tell me that you have dams for underground water supplies, or are the dams above ground?

And as far as by products go, I would imagine that there would be carbon that would have to be vented from the conversion process. You can't jsut 'throw it someplace', as it would eventually kill everyone underground.

AH air genorators and organic food dude.

We, as in, the general community, have already decided the air generators are a godmod, and organic fodd does not address the issue of "sunlight" in any way, shape, or form.

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Each of them saluted, and got up from their tables, it would take some hours to remove the Vironaught from its Cryostatis, but when the attack began, it would be like no other attack seen...

women and children, men, old people, the young and the middle aged would all die from this horrific 3 stage weapon, it would even attack those wearing NBC suits, it was designed to negate all protection, destroying the rubber seals, filter systems as well as the NBC suits them selves, colonies of bacteria would cling to everything, making it impossible to escape the first stage...

the Second stage would enter the body, attacking the fine cappileries inside the lungs, causing them to rupture and forcing the body to drown in its own vital life fluids, the death is most violent, bloody, and painfull...

the third stage would be brought in after stage one and two had done their work... stage three was a clean up bacteriophage, that would neutralise one and two and leave the area clean for occupying troops..

It would be swift and brutal, Just how the Consortium works...

1>What is this "virus" based off of?
2>If it is really a bacteria, is it Gram negitive or Gram Positive?
3>What chemical\Biological reaction occurs that makes it so corrosive?
4>If it destroys all forms of protection, how did you make it without killing yourself?
5> How can you store it so closely if it is so corrosive, and "eats through all barriers"?

If you do not answer these questions appropriately, I will IGNORE this biological weapon on the grounds that it would never work, even if you DID alter the laws of nature to fit your twisted needs.

1>What is this "virus" based off of?
2>If it is really a bacteria, is it Gram negitive or Gram Positive?
3>What chemical\Biological reaction occurs that makes it so corrosive?
4>If it destroys all forms of protection, how did you make it without killing yourself?
5> How can you store it so closely if it is so corrosive, and "eats through all barriers"?

If you do not answer these questions appropriately, I will IGNORE this biological weapon on the grounds that it would never work, even if you DID alter the laws of nature to fit your twisted needs.

I'm already gonna ignore it. Ok no under ground citys you guys win.

because i got an anti blockade systime so back off a 1000 miles and still i got a couple of other nations not close by.

I have a secret aloi that wont melt.

Dweladelfia prime, you don't need godmod armour to survive nuclear bunker busters, you just need a lot of earth.

http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?formAction=297&contentId=401
"If the tunnels are more then a thousand metres deep, even the most powerful nuclear earth penetrators will not destroy them."


Of course, that doesn't solve any of your other huge problems.


Conceivably your nuclear bunker cities could be entire self-sufficient biospheres, with enough plant material (you could use large lakes of plankton, rainforests, etc) and bacteria for the oxygen, nitrogen and carbon cycles, use nuclear power to light the city for this, or even geothermal power taken from the Earth's core, etc.

Using natural cycles much like our Earth does, your underground bunker cities could support a specific population indefinitely, through multiple generations. However, in my opinion it's not at all realistic (but then again I don't even think SDs are realistic). Of course, whether or not it is feasible, it is certainly a godmod to have your whole nation hidden in unassailable cities that one can't even seige out.

because i got an anti blockade systime so back off a 1000 miles and still i got a couple of other nations not close by.

What exactly is an "Anti-Blockade System?" I've never heard of one of these, and I rather much doubt the effectiveness for such a system.

I'll reply to your response tommorrow, I need sleep.

OOC: Use the OOC thread next time. Also, I see no nations I need bypass, as you happen to be on the very edge. And how exactly would you take out a large fleet blockading you from possibly a few hundred kilometers out?

Take your pick:
Long range Martime patrol bombers
Surface to Surface Missiles
Torpedoes (range of 10 miles)
Patrol boats
NAVAL MINES
Blockships
line of artificial island forts (like Ft. Summter)

This is stupid.

Give me a few days and I'll whip up something that will destroy these cities, easily. Mini Miehm and Kraven, contact me on MSN ASAP.

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Take your pick:
Long range Martime patrol bombers
Surface to Surface Missiles
Torpedoes (range of 10 miles)
Patrol boats
NAVAL MINES
Blockships
line of artificial island forts (like Ft. Summter)


How exactly is he going to afford this considering he's had to spend a ridiculous amount of cash on these nigh-invunerable underground coffins?

Also, Dweladelfia, you do realize that you can't scrub the air if the intakes are pumped full of concrete... :D

Dweladelfia prime, you don't need godmod armour to survive nuclear bunker busters, you just need a lot of earth.

http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?formAction=297&contentId=401
"If the tunnels are more then a thousand metres deep, even the most powerful nuclear earth penetrators will not destroy them."

Not really, take a closer look, there they talk about bombs that only penetrate a few dozen feet before detonating. We are talking about bombs that go as far as possible before detonating.

BTW:I brought up nuclear weapons because I saw the 'Atomic Blast Proof Glass' thing and couldnt help but comment.

Not really, take a closer look, there they talk about bombs that only penetrate a few dozen feet before detonating. We are talking about bombs that go as far as possible before detonating.

The point was that nuclear earth penetrators don't penetrate very far down, which is the reason for their ineffectiveness. But I digress, conceivably if he retreated into his ultra-deep bunkers you could always just sit on top and drill holes deep down from which to drop nuclear bombs to the bunker cities below.

I do agree with you that the "Atomic-Proof" glass is absurd.

I SAID I GIVE UP MY CITY UNDRGROUND IDEA LIKE & POST AGO. But im ignoring his bio weapon because he said him self nobody was to use WMDs in this conflect. And I have Surface to Surface Missiles, Patrol boats, NAVAL MINES, and Blockships. so BACK OFF.

I SAID I GIVE UP MY CITY UNDRGROUND IDEA LIKE & POST AGO. But im ignoring his bio weapon because he said him self nobody was to use WMDs in this conflect. And I have Surface to Surface Missiles, Patrol boats, NAVAL MINES, and Blockships. so BACK OFF.

I wouldn't completely abandon the idea though, you can still put loads of important stuff underground, like some industry, command centres, air-raid bunkers, etc. As I said before, putting them under more then 1000m of earth makes them pretty much immune to any nuclear or other aerial/missile attack.

It's just I wouldn't abandon the surface, is all.

Hmm, FAE time... See how those SSM batteries take a FAE up close...

I wouldn't completely abandon the idea though, you can still put loads of important stuff underground, like industry, command centres, air-raid bunkers, etc. As I said before, putting them under more then 1000m of earth makes them pretty much immune to any nuclear or other attack.

It's just I wouldn't abandon the surface, is all.

Na im not, i'll have my military under ground and everything.

I SAID I GIVE UP MY CITY UNDRGROUND IDEA LIKE & POST AGO. But im ignoring his bio weapon because he said him self nobody was to use WMDs in this conflect. And I have Surface to Surface Missiles, Patrol boats, NAVAL MINES, and Blockships. so BACK OFF.


It's called counter battery fire, so what? Mines can be taken out, missiles intercepted, and ships sunk. You're not invincible because you have these things, so keep the snide 'back off' comments to yourself please.

You have to get passt all those nations before getting to me

Um.....no. Your nation is on the far eastern side of the map, and therefore all we'd have to do is come from the east. We wouldn't even come close to another nation.

It's called counter battery fire, so what? Mines can be taken out, missiles intercepted, and ships sunk. You're not invincible because you have these things, so keep the snide 'back off' comments to yourself please.



Um.....no. Your nation is on the far eastern side of the map, and therefore all we'd have to do is come from the east. We wouldn't even come close to another nation.

BACK OFF 1000 MILES OR I WILL IGNORE YOU!!!!

Ok, just to clear things up.

The use of WMD's are permitted, Kahanistan used them against Automagfreek, so to use his wording "The Gloves are off"

to answer the questions raised by hurtfull thoughts.

The 1st stage of the bacteria produces an enzyme designed to dissolve the and break down the polymer structure of rubbers and plastics, It is possible to do this as Artifical enzymes can be created in 2051, it would be plausable, as we already understand a lot about enzymes currently

As for the more technical data on it, im not going to go into it, I understand what you are asking having taken biology myself, but I do not get into the nitty gritty details of my weapons tech.

To prevent the bio weapon destroying the scientists who worked on it, stage 3 was created first, a bacteriophage designed to destroy all traces of 1 and two, these bacteriophages were sprayed and incorporated into protective gear,

this weapon was designed by Father a sentient AI super computer

Ignore

Ignore

very well, In the eyes of the Kraven Corporation IC, Dwedelfia Prime doesn't exist.

http://honiralpa.myfreeforum.org/ftopic10.php

Here is a link to the weapon that gives it in more detail,

Now, Good bye Dwedelfia, another possibly good Rp ruined by OOC nonesense, I am really starting to get annoyed by all of this...

very well, In the eyes of the Kraven Corporation IC, Dwedelfia Prime doesn't exist.

http://honiralpa.myfreeforum.org/ftopic10.php

Here is a link to the weapon that gives it in more detail,

Now, Good bye Dwedelfia, another possibly good Rp ruined by OOC nonesense, I am really starting to get annoyed by all of this...


Dude you said your self thta there will be no wmds. Now stop using them and fight like a man geeesh just edit your post and lets get along with this rp.

Dude you said your self thta there will be no wmds. Now stop using them and fight like a man geeesh just edit your post and lets get along with this rp.

I think Kraven made it perfectly clear, but it looks like we're going to have to spell it out for you. You are no longer involved in this RP, and from now on you are being completey ignored by the Kraven Corporation.

As for WMDs, as he said; "the gloves are off." I'd still like to keep this RP nuke-free though, but as long as biological/chemical weapons are RPed fairly then there should be no problems.

I think Kraven made it perfectly clear, but it looks like we're going to have to spell it out for you. You are no longer involved in this RP, and from now on you are being completey ignored by the Kraven Corporation.

As for WMDs, as he said; "the gloves are off." I'd still like to keep this RP nuke-free though, but as long as biological/chemical weapons are RPed fairly then there should be no problems.

Fine what ever you can have you stupid bio attack is there sny known way of countering the agent? Like a spray that can stop it from eating the rubber?

It's fine learn 2 play

I said you can have your BIO attack jus tell me what I can do to stop the agent?

bump

Change of mind, The Ignore still stands

WTH is your problom?

How much of an area is afected by this weapon?

BACK OFF 1000 MILES OR I WILL IGNORE YOU!!!!


WTF are you talking about? How old are you, like 10 or something?

EDIT: On a second note, NO nation in this game claims 1,000 miles of territorial waters. AMF claims 250 nautical miles, which some deem to be excessive in and of itself. My ships have every right to move about freely in international waters, and simply ignoring me for approaching your mainland is childish.

Sorry for the outburst just getting frustrated. Well i want you to back off 1,000 miles so i can have a chance to stop you before you get to my nation you cant just magicly apear off my coast. I have a navy missiles allies that i have to rp.

Sorry for the outburst just getting frustrated. Well i want you to back off 1,000 miles so i can have a chance to stop you before you get to my nation you cant just magicly apear off my coast. I have a navy missiles allies that i have to rp.


Well naturally we'd have to post our movements, but you cannot simply tell us that we have to stay a certain distance away while you get ready. That's just not how it works.

Well naturally we'd have to post our movements, but you cannot simply tell us that we have to stay a certain distance away while you get ready. That's just not how it works.

Ya but you cant just apear right off my coast you have to give me a chance to rp my defence.

Ya but you cant just apear right off my coast you have to give me a chance to rp my defence.

You're preaching etiquette to the wrong person, I think I understand how to RP war......:rolleyes:

You're preaching etiquette to the wrong person, I think I understand how to RP war......:rolleyes:

Fine I'll attack you with your fleet off my coast. lol ok lets stop arguing and start the rp.

Can you guys post you fleets off my coast please.

Ok, just to clear things up.

The use of WMD's are permitted, Kahanistan used them against Automagfreek, so to use his wording "The Gloves are off"

to answer the questions raised by hurtfull thoughts.

The 1st stage of the bacteria produces an enzyme designed to dissolve the and break down the polymer structure of rubbers and plastics, It is possible to do this as Artifical enzymes can be created in 2051, it would be plausable, as we already understand a lot about enzymes currently

As for the more technical data on it, im not going to go into it, I understand what you are asking having taken biology myself, but I do not get into the nitty gritty details of my weapons tech.

To prevent the bio weapon destroying the scientists who worked on it, stage 3 was created first, a bacteriophage designed to destroy all traces of 1 and two, these bacteriophages were sprayed and incorporated into protective gear,

this weapon was designed by Father a sentient AI super computer

How do you create a cure for a disease you haven't made\designed\seen yet?

The rubber eatng bacteria I've heard of in RL, they are using it on a waste treatment plant currently.
The 2nd stage developed after a cure for it is made is absurd, since bio-organisms tend to mutate in the path of least resistance.
Such a weapon would be too dangerous to use or develpe operationaly.

A seprate until finished 2 stage of the rubber eating bacteria (or for that matter, certain select chemicals) and ANY respritory ailment would work.

Then to develope a 2 1/2 stage cure.
*1/2 is a fail safe stage should the other two mutate too much and fail.

Yes but there still ignoring us even when I said they canj have there bio attack.

But now I'm contesting the nature of 'how can this work?'.

And FAEs and Thermobarics are MY specialty.

Along with FSCTs, Ultralight CAS, expendable drones, stealth tank and bunker-busters, integral EMP based ECM devices, and friends in high places.

Thank you Eternals\Scandanavians for that wonderful parting gift! (We rather stole it instead, if you want to bother over the details)

PROHT also has a respectable stock of CBWs, which is being flown to my task force at this time. Since they seem to be counterproductve in my other battles.

Chances are half the acronynms and terms used cannot be identified, this is because they are new indiginous designs.

I suggest someone look up what Thermobaric weapons will do thoughily before RPing the resaults. They are the dirtiest street legal weapons in the alleyway fights we call 'WARs'.

But still why is he ignoring us.

No need to keep bumping the other thread, I think the general concensus is that you're not the kind of person we want to spend time RPing with.

He tries, it's just that all other key players left.

May I recall my task force?
Or sould I ignore these threads until they flare up again?

Ya idk these guys are just being jerks I say we abandon the thread, hey do you have FT, i need some FT ship designs I have a thread going around can ya post em there.

Ya idk these guys are just being jerks I say we abandon the thread, hey do you have FT, i need some FT ship designs I have a thread going around can ya post em there.

How are we being jerks when you're the one making outlandish claims and being immature and difficult to deal with OOCly?

It's a shame that because of this your nation gets to be spared, but I myself am not going to waste time and effort in this RP. Quite frankly it's a waste.

Ya idk these guys are just being jerks I say we abandon the thread, hey do you have FT, i need some FT ship designs I have a thread going around can ya post em there.

1> Welll, you did make some outlandish claims, but so did others, for example, the blockade fleet, should have ran into a bit more resistance at the 100 mile mark, (but thenn again, historicly, Pre emptive attacks generally go ubnmolested: operation Barbarossa, the Doolittle Raid, and Pearl Harbour for example)

2>No, all I have are early-mid MT tech with early PMT Bio. We did just capture ONE ship from another thread though. But it was heavily damaged and of little value at this time.

How are we being jerks when you're the one making outlandish claims and being immature and difficult to deal with OOCly?

It's a shame that because of this your nation gets to be spared, but I myself am not going to waste time and effort in this RP. Quite frankly it's a waste.

It's a real shame, and once again the few ruin it for the many. Who would have guessed, eh?

Still, i think we could continue with the Consortium as a group, just generally being evil and telling coalitions where to stick their human-rights.

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It's a shame that because of this your nation gets to be spared, but I myself am not going to waste time and effort in this RP. Quite frankly it's a waste.

That reminds me, Dweladelfia, the lease on your airbase is due.

How are we being jerks when you're the one making outlandish claims and being immature and difficult to deal with OOCly?

It's a shame that because of this your nation gets to be spared, but I myself am not going to waste time and effort in this RP. Quite frankly it's a waste.

I um well for one I said I was sorry and gave up my claims if ya havent notised. And I said you could have your bio attack. But you still ignore me. Whos being the jerks.

I um well for one I said I was sorry and gave up my claims if ya havent notised. And I said you could have your bio attack. But you still ignore me. Whos being the jerks.

Not all of us took part in that bio attack, so the unfair generalizations are not appreciated.

I'm only backing out of this RP because I do not feel it will be worth my while.

I'm only backing out of this RP because I do not feel it will be worth my while.

Well, without any major aggressor, such as The Kraven Corporation, what does a thread become?

Dead.

Not all of us took part in that bio attack, so the unfair generalizations are not appreciated.

I'm only backing out of this RP because I do not feel it will be worth my while.

Unfair generalizations my butt. I dont want to rp with you eather so there.

Unfair generalizations my butt. I dont want to rp with you eather so there.

this is why i refuse to role play with you Prime, childish remarks such as these

Unfair generalizations my butt. I dont want to rp with you eather so there.

You ARE making unfair generalizations. NOT all of us took part in that bio attack, so to say that we all were apart of it, which you DID...

And I said you could have your bio attack. But you still ignore me. Whos being the jerks.

...IS indeed an unfair generalization.

And if you ever hope to have any sort of credibility or reputation, please stop the childish comments. 'So there' sounds like something I'd expect to hear from a 5th grader.

You ARE making unfair generalizations. NOT all of us took part in that bio attack, so to say that we all were apart of it, which you DID...



...IS indeed an unfair generalization.

And if you ever hope to have any sort of credibility or reputation, please stop the childish comments. 'So there' sounds like something I'd expect to hear from a 5th grader.

STOP TALKING WE SAID WE WOULD IGNORE EACHOTHER. WE DONT NEED TO KEEP TALKING

I would like to motion that this thread be closed by the first moderator that sees this message.

All in favor, don't post.