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hello, just a little question for anyone who is good with numbers in military stuff. i have to know how many Escorts and Capital ships i can suport with a military budget of 9 Trillion, 1.4 Billion population and a large but balanced military. i just don't know and want to find out if my curent navy is to small. if it helps my navy does not use SDs (yet) or NS type super carriers

With a military budget of $9 trillion (not billion)? I spend approximately the same amount and I support a navy of ~2000 ships with 9 SDs (3 more under construction) and 24 supercarriers. Instead of an SD you can probably support 10-20 ships, so that's another 90-180 ships there. And another 5-8 ships instead of a supercarrier, or 120-192 more ships. I'd say you could probably have a 2400 ship navy easily... but then, I have a larger population (2 billion), so I have more people to run the navy. I'd think about 2000-2200 ships would be fine...

With a military budget of $9 trillion (not billion)? I spend approximately the same amount and I support a navy of ~2000 ships with 9 SDs (3 more under construction) and 24 supercarriers. Instead of an SD you can probably support 10-20 ships, so that's another 90-180 ships there. And another 5-8 ships instead of a supercarrier, or 120-192 more ships. I'd say you could probably have a 2400 ship navy easily... but then, I have a larger population (2 billion), so I have more people to run the navy. I'd think about 2000-2200 ships would be fine...


thanks, and yeah trillion not billion time to eddit that...

thanks, and yeah trillion not billion time to eddit that...
Also you can say how large your current navy is. It's possible for a nation with that kind of budget to support a navy of anywhere between 300 ships (all SDs or uber-powerful ships) and 5000 (small, cheap boats)... a balance somewhere between the two is ideal.

(Or you could have just one ship that's about half as large as your country and can launch your entire air force and army from it as well as hold its own against any enemy fleet... Ankhmet did that with his FT forces... but I wouldn't recommend that. ;))

(Or you could have just one ship that's about half as large as your country and can launch your entire air force and army from it as well as hold its own against any enemy fleet... Ankhmet did that with his FT forces... but I wouldn't recommend that. ;))

mmm...yeah, probly not the best idea.

With a military budget you could support a navy of 2000 ships easily. To give you an idea I have about 400 major vessels in my navy plus others and it cost about 300 billion for all of it. But, I know it would be allot more. That total does not include paying the people- maintaining the ships, replacing the ships when they get warn out which for a ship happens anywhere from 5 years to 50 years, and so on.

While I have no problem seeing how a nation with a large military budget could afford a navy of 2000 plus ships the problem I do have is where are you going to put all those ships. They'll need a port and with a 2000 plus ship navy your going to use a lot of land for ports, land that could be better put to use for other things. Now I know this isn't real life but I try to make it as close to reality as possible.

I hope that helps.

Well, Banduria for example is on a massive island—it takes a lot of land to support two billion people—so there are six or seven major ports, the largest being the cities of Dominis and Keã. They take up only a tiny fraction of the rest of the land, because of the sheer size (a whole lot of Banduria is uninhabited or vast arctic wastes). Generally a single military harbor can hold up to 400 ships, or even more, so we just concentrate our harbors...

I take it that a nation MY size could field more than the 1200 ships I currently am?

A very broad gaging tool that I have found to be relativly true with most FT nations that I have met is 1,000 well ballenced ships per 1 billion people.

A very broad gaging tool that I have found to be relativly true with most FT nations that I have met is 1,000 well ballenced ships per 1 billion people.

Key word is broad though - there are many factors that need to be accounted for. Like i have a 2000 ship navy (being increased now) but have over 3.6 billion people - this is due to the fact i spend large portions of my navy budget on massive battleships (or SDN's) which cost 10 billion per year to run. I could only really have over 3000 ships if they were smaller, cheaper and i devoted alot more money into the navy.

Ok, I don't want to make another thread for this, and it's semi-similar. But how many MANNED combat aircraft do most nations support? (that have a "normal" navy)

Yes, it is subject to many factors, but you can bet that a nation with ships far above that ratio has very poor ones and a nation far below that ratio has either really good ones or just little funding.

It depends on a lot of factors. If your nation has a small coastline, you may not need more than a small defensive navy with more patrol vessels and AA and ASW ships and fewer capital ships. If your nation has a long coastline or (especially) if it's an island, you're going to need a larger navy to allow you to protect your SLOCs and your coastline. If you want to project power, you're going to need more capital ships such as aircraft carriers and battleships.

The other factors Yallak mentioned also hold true: If your navy is your predominant branch, you'd most likely have more ships than you would if you strive for balance in funding. With me, for instance, I came into this game with the idea of having parity among my military branches and had originally gotten it in terms of defence allocations and equipment. However, I was more comfortable RPing naval matters and I gradually began to play it out as a nation that lavished attention to its navy and neglected the army and the air force.

I opt for the few, the proud, the improvised NAVY of PROHT.
All will cower to my, 61 ship navy!
This includes civillian transports (20) and auxillary ships (25).
That is, 6 surface vessels and 10 subs (conventional)
And yet I managed to land troops to Alidor.

Oh, wait, space?

Hmmm, well I did capture that one from the Eternals...

All shall cower to my one ship Space Command!

It depends on a lot of factors. If your nation has a small coastline, you may not need more than a small defensive navy with more patrol vessels and AA and ASW ships and fewer capital ships. If your nation has a long coastline or (especially) if it's an island, you're going to need a larger navy to allow you to protect your SLOCs and your coastline. If you want to project power, you're going to need more capital ships such as aircraft carriers and battleships.

The other factors Yallak mentioned also hold true: If your navy is your predominant branch, you'd most likely have more ships than you would if you strive for balance in funding. With me, for instance, I came into this game with the idea of having parity among my military branches and had originally gotten it in terms of defence allocations and equipment. However, I was more comfortable RPing naval matters and I gradually began to play it out as a nation that lavished attention to its navy and neglected the army and the air force.

if it helps any my nation is a massive Arcapeligo(sp?) and i try to set my navy up to have ten "Escorts" for every Capital ship

Ok, I don't want to make another thread for this, and it's semi-similar. But how many MANNED combat aircraft do most nations support? (that have a "normal" navy)

Well going off my own nation which has equal funding for Army navy and airforce - i have 36000 carrier aircraft and about 2/3's of that amount again land based at a cost of about 4.2 trillion $

if it helps any my nation is a massive Arcapeligo(sp?) and i try to set my navy up to have ten "Escorts" for every Capital ship

are you talking MT or FT - im confused now cause someone mentioned FT

this thread is intended for MT, i have not figured out what will be in my FT fleet yet just so you know

this thread is intended for MT, i have not figured out what will be in my FT fleet yet just so you know

Ok what i said stands then - but no one can really tell you how big it should be. If you what lots of really advanced and lage ships it will be small if not it could be very large. If your still unsure your best bet would be to look around at storefront and see the cost of varying types of ships

Well going off my own nation which has equal funding for Army navy and airforce - i have 36000 carrier aircraft and about 2/3's of that amount again land based at a cost of about 4.2 trillion $

Whoa.

The Airforce is supposed to be the "main" branch of my Military, I have a 6 trillion (give or take) budget, and I've ONLY, up to this point, had 14,000 combat planes! I've got a small navy, too, because I thought that I had alot of planes. I think i'll get about 6 thousand more planes and 400 ships; and call it balanced.