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A coalition has been formed aginst france by HRE, Spain and Austria, Milan will probably join also.

Here is the thread, and here we will discuse our plans...

Well before we go on to mass carnage do you think we should possibly ask for protection money and so forth. Say maybe 500,000 Pounds each and the island of Corsica divided between the four of us might just stop the War.

But I doubt the French will give up so easily, all though they have no allies and have mosy likely offended the Papacy. In any case we should get this over quickly, I suggest Spanish troops march directly for Marseille and the Royal palace there, while the Germans go for Paris and Reims. The Austrians and the Millanese should probably attack at Lyon, then between us we will hold nearly every major city in France and hopefully their King.

And on the subject of the Papacy maybe we should hold Papal elections since it seems this thread represents nealry every Catholic on the continent. I don't know exactly how we would elect anyone with everyone else voting for themselves. Maybe we should ask a non Catholic player to choose the least threatning

Sweden, the Netherlands and Prussia may stand with France against your alliance, and Russia might have something to say about this. I'll have to talk to everyone first thouhg. This is OOC by the way and nothing official has happened yet.

The United Kingdom of Ireland and Great Britain will not stand by and allow France to be overrun by Germanic barbarians. Despite our differences in the recent past, an Independent France is preferable to one dominated by the Hapsburgs.

OOC: Are you sure your thinking right? France is your biggest rival for terratorys and is at war with you in India and America. It's also supporting the rebles in America....

IC: With most of the French army in the south,w atching for a Spanish attack, I suggest that you all attack from the east, taking Paris as quickly as you can. I'm currently bringing up the rest of my army from cadiz and they'll arrive in a week or two. Thus you guys draw there forces north, my main army arrives brushes aside there forces on the southern boarder. We take Bordaux and the terratory that will eventualy be ours. (I had an agreement before I joined thois coaclition. My force then marches north. You march west/south and we trap the French army and destroy it. Then we sacure the rest of the coutnry.

OOC: Quite sure. If France is independent and I fight a war against them, I won't have Spain, the HRE and Austria breathing down my neck.

IC: The British Army is being mobolised, and patrols of the channel by Royal Navy vessels have been increased. Several frigates(3) have been dispatched to the Americas in order to insure security.

OOC: Quite sure. If France is independent and I fight a war against them, I won't have Spain, the HRE and Austria breathing down my neck.

IC: The British Army is being mobolised, and patrols of the channel by Royal Navy vessels have been increased. Several frigates(3) have been dispatched to the Americas in order to insure security.
OOC: I'd have let at a chance to crush my greatest enermy, and take all the channel ports, but still...

Rodenka, you can belive me thateven if France surenders it will stay independent, but we will get some of its teritories and reduce its army and get money and so on...

Gintonpar, if Sweden will declare war on me, i think that Russia will stand on my side, as we have a alliance...

I agree that we present our terms to France before any conflicts ocure.

Who gets what is a matter of later dicusion, but first, we have to win this war!

So, a big part of French army is curently in Lombardy, i could spare maybe a 100.000 men strong army, wich would attack towards Lyon, Germany should go straight for Paris and Spain for Toulouse and Bordeaux...

I was under the impression all his army is in the south, on the boarder.

Let Jensai respond before you declare war and start attacking.

Let Jensai respond before you declare war and start attacking.

yeah. I know him IRL and he will be gone until tormorrow afternoon.

Official Russian Announcement


As France was indeed once my ally I will not go back on my word and thus I will not provide any economic or military aid to any of the invading parties in this conflict.
Austria is an ally of mine and thus I will also not declare support for France rather we shall maintain a position of neutrality in this matter.

Catherine II, Empress of Russia

France utterly rejects the Hapsburgs and intiaites acountry-wide draft. 100,000 men, with 100 guns and 6,000 cavalry are immediatly marched East to secure the eastern borders, while another 100,00 reinforce the 30,000 men watching the Spanish border. Marseillies is fortified and it stocks up on food and ammunition.

Messages are sent to Sweden and Prussia asking for aid, and similar messages are sent south, to the Italians. The French Navy enters the channel and prepares to face the Spanish Navy on the sea.

The French also thank the British fortheir suport in this matter.

Austrian government asks the British if they are just disaproving the war, or are they standing on the French side?

We also thank the Russians for not supporting the French.

France utterly rejects the Hapsburgs and intiaites acountry-wide draft. 100,000 men, with 100 guns and 6,000 cavalry are immediatly marched East to secure the eastern borders, while another 100,00 reinforce the 30,000 men watching the Spanish border. Marseillies is fortified and it stocks up on food and ammunition.

Messages are sent to Sweden and Prussia asking for aid, and similar messages are sent south, to the Italians. The French Navy enters the channel and prepares to face the Spanish Navy on the sea.

The French also thank the British fortheir suport in this matter.
OOC: You know nothing about his, you do know that. And you've just raised a couple of million completely untarained and unarmed me.

Austrian government asks the British if they are just disaproving the war, or are they standing on the French side?

We also thank the Russians for not supporting the French.


Britain will not stand by and allow the continent to be dominated by the Hapsburgs. Consider this a declaration of war against Austria, the Holy Roman Empire and Spain. We are saddened that it must come to this, but you have left us no choice.

His Majesty, King of the United Kingdom of Ireland and Great Britian by the Grace of God, George III, signed in this year of our Lord 1762

The Royal Navy has put to sea. A squdron, consisting of the HMS Bellona, the HMS Britannica, and 7 frigates has been dispatched to seize any ship flying the flag of the Holy Roman Empire in the North Sea. The rest of the Channel Fleet is rotating for patrols in the channel, watching for any attempt by the Holy Roman Navy or the Spnaish Navy to come near the sacred soild of England. A recruitign drive has begun for both army and navy as press gangs, recruitment posters, and recruiting sargeants begin their work.

In the Carribean, the American Squadron begins it's own shipping raids, seizing Spanish ships as they attempt the voyage across the Atlantic.

A message is sent to France, asking that the British Army begiven permission to land a force in France to assist in the defence of their soil.

OOC: You do realise that a large portion of my navy is in the bcarbieen looking for enermy ships raiding my fleets.

Saying that Lachenburg hasn't posted for a while, and we did both earmark a force for intervention in the war that would attack Germany (check Netherlands thread), the allied army, which comprises of 14,000 Swedish Infantry and 4,000 accompanying cavalry, along with 24 field guns, as well as some 40,000 Dutch infantry and assorted cavalry and guns will be made available to defend France from attack. Sweden and the Netherlands are already at war with Germany so we will use our army against a German incursion.

Now it seems the world is at war, but not quite there is still a chance for peace. Let these coalitions stop, we ask that all countries return their troops and ships to their boarders. Surely we can patch up the differences in the Italian Kingdoms. We have been at war with France for some time now yet no blood has been spilled between us.

We do not expect anyone to listen to this plea unless we take the first stand. The Holy Roman Empire withdraws it's declaration of war of France. The empire greatly hopes that other nations shall follow this example, war must be avoided for us to prosper. Count Von Hannover however disagrees with this act of peace, he and his 35,000 man army witch is currently in the Piedmont has refused to be recalled. He is a renegade and should no longer be considered a German prince. Hopefully his reckless actions will not lead to friction between the Empire and the rest of Europe. Needless to say Von Hannover was immediatly excummunicated along with his remaining male hiers. The principality shall fall to the closest Hannover male who is Ceaser Borgia King of Milan.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine I

Secret letter written to Spain and Austria

It is unfortunate that we must withdraw from the war, but Prussians seem to need our full attention. Despite what we said the empire shall not give up hope on you. A sum of 12,000,000 Crona (Equal to about 3,000,000 Pounds) has been sent to Vienna for the war effort. You may use this money however you see fit but we suggest paying German mercenaries. Also the HRE is open for your troops to rest and stage attacks from. Whatever the case we urge you to make peace with France and it's allies. Anything else you need besides full millitary invasion please write us for, we support you. Again we regret to do this but it's this or sluaghter.

Signed:
Francis Von Lorraine I

OOC- I was typing for a long time there we are still at war with the following:

Prussia
Sweden
Netherlands
So we will try to attack any of their armies paying for damages our soldiers cuase to any French territories.

Now it seems the world is at war, but not quite there is still a chance for peace. Let these coalitions stop, we ask that all countries return their troops and ships to their boarders. Surely we can patch up the differences in the Italian Kingdoms. We have been at war with France for some time now yet no blood has been spilled between us.

We do not expect anyone to listen to this plea unless we take the first stand. The Holy Roman Empire withdraws it's declaration of war of France. The empire greatly hopes that other nations shall follow this example, war must be avoided for us to prosper. Count Von Hannover however disagrees with this act of peace, he and his 35,000 man army witch is currently in the Piedmont has refused to be recalled. He is a renegade and should no longer be considered a German prince. Hopefully his reckless actions will not lead to friction between the Empire and the rest of Europe. Needless to say Von Hannover was immediatly excummunicated along with his remaining male hiers. The principality shall fall to the closest Hannover male who is Ceaser Borgia King of Milan.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine I

Secret letter written to Spain and Austria

It is unfortunate that we must withdraw from the war, but Prussians seem to need our full attention. Despite what we said the empire shall not give up hope on you. A sum of 12,000,000,000 Crona (Equal to about 3,000,000,000 Pounds) has been sent to Vienna for the war effort. You may use this money however you see fit but we suggest paying German mercenaries. Also the HRE is open for your troops to rest and stage attacks from. Whatever the case we urge you to make peace with France and it's allies. Anything else you need besides full millitary invasion please write us for, we support you. Again we regret to do this but it's this or sluaghter.

Signed:
Francis Von Lorraine I


Thats a lot too much money. Way too much.

OOC- It is a lot but this is an important war. It's only about 3 years of taxes, from the whole empire and With the money the HRE has built that's only about 1/6 the treasury and we do expect some back.

I can't even work out how much that is but it seems to be about a trillion pounds. Even if it was 12 billion, no country had that much money at its disposal at this time, nevermind only 1/6 of the treasury.

OOC- I just looked at what I typed sorry, 12,000,000 Crona is what i meant, sorry. Oh and we could use your moderation in the Austrian invasion thread.

France, however, will not withdraw it's decleration of war. We will crush you and your pathetic empire. First you attack a valued ally, Lombardy, then you instigate other nations to ally against France and her peoples. We wil not rest until your empire lies in ruins around you. It is war between us. Prepare yourselves.

It was me that attacked Lombardy, not Waldernburg, you mixed up...

Gintonpar, you do know that aiding French in this war is a decleartion of war on me?

A letter to French king:

We do not want war with you, all we ask you that you recall your men in Lombardy! That land is none of your concern! We ask you this now, before a mayor conflict ocures!

Then France shall feel the full force of the empire, we hoped this could be resolved peacfully but France obviously feels the need to destroy it's self. This war will ruin our countries but it seems it cannot be avoided. The empire would of attack after such news of a French declaration of war but we shall hope that the Austrian plea shall some how convience them to put off mass sluaghter. This is the empire's last chance for the French, after either we attack Paris or our troops are recalled.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine I

164,000 infantry, 12,000 cavery and 3000 guns arrived at the boarder between France and spain to renforce the Spanish armys there.

Of the infantry, 54,000 where trained and experinced men of the line, men who had forght before and who could fire 5 times a minuate. 10,000 experienced skermishes, including a rifle regiment, where also marchng. As with the infantry of the line they could frie there muskets 5 times a minuate, or there deadly accurate rifles 3 times.

Trainees marched with them, new regiments and batallions that had only just learnt to fire there guns and who ahd not experienced the heat of battle. All however where volouteers and morale was high. of the trainees, 90,000 where to be infantry of the line and 10,000 Skermishes.

The Caverry consisted of Dragoons, (5,000 of them) lancers, (4,000 of them) and Heavys, (3,000 of them.) They where the pride of the armys and where all experienced in fighting.

The guns wehr mostly 6 and 9 inch weapons, 6 to a battery. All wherer well made andw ell trained, the guns new from the forges of Madrid. The Spanisharmy was ready, awaiting only the order to attack.

OOC; Do you have a historical precedent for arming your troops with rifles? And, do you have a historical precedent for having troops that can fire 5 shots a minute? Five shots a minute is fast They are loading, priming and firing in 12 seconds. Take it form someone who has loaded a muzzle-loading rife-muskter. Those things are hard to load quickly. most troops can only do 3, and the fastest in the world at this time are the Brits, who are the only one's to practive with live rounds.

Oh, it should be 5 shots a minute, not a second. No one can fire 5 shots a second from a muzzle loading rifle/musket.

I broadly agree with Rodenka about the rifles issue. I allowed Aust to have 1 rifle regiment just because I was nice. Even though the Spanish military heirarchy is probably the most conservative in the world at this point....nevertheless, one regiment is what we agreed. And 5 shots a minute is impossible with the state of the Spanish infantry. Basically, Spanish infantry was a shambles, badly led and with horribly poor morale, consequentially, there is no way they could fire that many rounds.

The best you can hope for there is 3 shots a minute from your BEST troops. And that means about 5 regiments that can be trusted and are decently led. The rest will be firing 2 shots a minute, for many it will be the first time they have even fired a loaded musket. The Spanish cavalry was better, but by no means brilliant, and artillery was pretty good as well. The infantry is of much lower quality than the rest of the army.

5 times per minute? :eek:

The fastest fireing units could only do it 3 or 4 times pre minute, or 2 times with a rifle!

Also, 3000 canons is far too much, if you see Waterloo, Napoleon had 74,000troops and he only had 250 guns.

I broadly agree with Rodenka about the rifles issue. I allowed Aust to have 1 rifle regiment just because I was nice. Even though the Spanish military heirarchy is probably the most conservative in the world at this point....nevertheless, one regiment is what we agreed. And 5 shots a minute is impossible with the state of the Spanish infantry. Basically, Spanish infantry was a shambles, badly led and with horribly poor morale, consequentially, there is no way they could fire that many rounds.

The best you can hope for there is 3 shots a minute from your BEST troops. And that means about 5 regiments that can be trusted and are decently led. The rest will be firing 2 shots a minute, for many it will be the first time they have even fired a loaded musket. The Spanish cavalry was better, but by no means brilliant, and artillery was pretty good as well. The infantry is of much lower quality than the rest of the army.
We've been over the rifle thing before....

Where poorly lead, reamber that i was arming them with new muskets, (Based on brown Bess) and that I was making my troops into an elite force? Cheak on my main thread, I said it all there, no one argued with that. If the brits could fire that quiclly, why couldn't the Spanish.

I've ahd my men firing with live ammunition, and I aslo stated that my core force where all experienced in the Americas ect. I have about 2/3's of my army as being poorly led and a rabble (There new recruits, and thus are weaker and untrained.)

I think that I'm right in saying it's me that leads the army, it was also me that said that 2/3s of my main force (the experienced force) was on exacise. They've been well trained and drilled since my monarch came to power via his reforms of the army that got rid of conscritption adn made them into a fully prfessional force.

The artiallary was a miswrite.

So in conclusion 4/5 times minuate for the experienced (Main) body of my army, 1/2 shots for the unexperienced body, and my Cannon stands at 300.

OOC:4 times a minute would ge fine for experienced, solid troops that have been fighting for a while. 3 shots a minute is good. And wherea re you getting Brown Bess muskets? I never sold you any, nor did you attempt to buy any.


You cannot train 200,000 troops or whatever to all be elite. being elite not only requires training (which takes time and money) but actual experience on the battlefield.

IC: A force of 20,000 infantry, 2,500 cavalry and 20 guns has embarked for France under the command of General William Howe.

This army includes:

The 3rd Regiment of Foot (the Buffs)
The 6th (1st Royal Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot
The 9th (East Norfolk) Regment of Foot
The 11th (North Devonshire) Regiment of Foot
The 12th (East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot
The 15th (Yorkshire) Regiment of Foot
The 18th (Royal Irish) Regiment of Foot
The 23rd Regiment of Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers)
The 27th (Innskiling) Regiment of Foot
The 30th (Cambridgeshire) Regiment of Foot
The 34th (Cumberland) Regiment of Foot
The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot
The 55th (Westmoreland) Regiment of Foot
The 61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
The 69th (South Lincolnshire) Regiment of Foot
The 71st (Glasgow Highland) Regiment of Foot
The 74th (Highland) Regiment of Foot
The 76th (McDonnel's Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
The 79th (Cameron Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
The 91st (Donegal Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
The 92nd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regiment of Foot

We've been over the rifle thing before....

Where poorly lead, reamber that i was arming them with new muskets, (Based on brown Bess) and that I was making my troops into an elite force? Cheak on my main thread, I said it all there, no one argued with that. If the brits could fire that quiclly, why couldn't the Spanish.

I've ahd my men firing with live ammunition, and I aslo stated that my core force where all experienced in the Americas ect. I have about 2/3's of my army as being poorly led and a rabble (There new recruits, and thus are weaker and untrained.)

I think that I'm right in saying it's me that leads the army, it was also me that said that 2/3s of my main force (the experienced force) was on exacise. They've been well trained and drilled since my monarch came to power via his reforms of the army that got rid of conscritption adn made them into a fully prfessional force.

The artiallary was a miswrite.

So in conclusion 4/5 times minuate for the experienced (Main) body of my army, 1/2 shots for the unexperienced body, and my Cannon stands at 300.


You can't just 'say' your army is becoming an elite force. For a start elite forces at this time were not created, they became elite with action. No government said, 'recruit an elite brigade', they became elite with combat experience. For example the British Light Division. It was not better trained than the other divisions, it was just in action so frequently, and led by experienced fighting, not aristocratic men that their level of proffesionalism was higher than the other troops. However, even the British will not have an elite light division yet as they have not been involved in enough ground wars. However, Britain's army was a volunteer army, the men were not forced to fight and, although full of the scum of the Earth, they had some decent officers and were managed efficiently from home. As they were such a small force, they could be managed far more effectively than the more cumbersome continental armies.

Also, you would have to sail back troops from the Americas to have combat experienced troops. Spanish soldiers stationed in South America were not rotated with home troops, it was simply impractical.

By your saying your home army is badly led, I didn't mean the generalship, I meant the officer class. The Spanish officer corp was heavily aristocratic and Catholic in its foundations and although well armed and equipped, it simply was not well officered in the main. Many of the best troops were stationed in South America and you would have to sail them back home first, which would mean a journey lasting months, plus they would have to be replaced at their posts.

Seriously, its going to be 3 shots a minute from about 5 regiments, the rest will be 2 shots a minute.

The French army along the Spanish border now stands at 130,000 men, 3,000 Dragoons, and 4,000 curiassers. The artillery train consists of 140 guns, mostly 9-pounders. They are advancing into the Pyrenees to take up defensive position as the mountain passes. A smaller force of 12,000 men, 25 guns, and 2,000 cavalry is guarding the road to Marseilles.

OOC; Ginton, I need you in the Lombardy thread. Thanks.

The French army along the Spanish border now stands at 130,000 men, 3,000 Dragoons, and 4,000 curiassers. The artillery train consists of 140 guns, mostly 9-pounders. They are advancing into the Pyrenees to take up defensive position as the mountain passes. A smaller force of 12,000 men, 25 guns, and 2,000 cavalry is guarding the road to Marseilles.

OOC; Ginton, I need you in the Lombardy thread. Thanks.

argh sorry, I'm snowed under. I shall get round to it now.

An army of 110.000 infantry, 20.000 cavalry and 190 guns set up a camp at the French border. They are led by Pince Josef himself.

Another message is sent to Paris:

Now is the time to make an important decision. We do not desire not your land, nor your money. You can prevent this war with a simple favour. Recall your troops from Italy, and we will withdraw our declaration of war.
We hope you will decide right and prevent a catastophy.

Signed:
Prince Josef

An army formed from the Western German houses forms at Worms near the French border, close to Paris. 89,000 Infantry, 7,000 Cavalry and 80 cannons have formed and there position on the French border by a much smaller militia.

In Milan another 30,000 infantry and 2,000 cavalry, (And a few cannons, I don't remember how many I sent) will make their way towards Marseilles. Even further south a Mercenary force has landed at Sardinia and will march, and be transported up to Corsica. While another mercenary naval force will atempt a amphibious assualt.

OOC- In total, probably
149,000 Infantry
11,000 Cavalry
about 130 cannons
I'm not sure on these numbers because i'm hiring mercenaries and i don't know how much Naples is giving me.

You can't just 'say' your army is becoming an elite force. For a start elite forces at this time were not created, they became elite with action. No government said, 'recruit an elite brigade', they became elite with combat experience. For example the British Light Division. It was not better trained than the other divisions, it was just in action so frequently, and led by experienced fighting, not aristocratic men that their level of proffesionalism was higher than the other troops. However, even the British will not have an elite light division yet as they have not been involved in enough ground wars. However, Britain's army was a volunteer army, the men were not forced to fight and, although full of the scum of the Earth, they had some decent officers and were managed efficiently from home. As they were such a small force, they could be managed far more effectively than the more cumbersome continental armies. I said experienced, as in experienced during the wars of Spanish succesion ect.

Also, you would have to sail back troops from the Americas to have combat experienced troops. Spanish soldiers stationed in South America were not rotated with home troops, it was simply impractical. The war of Spanish Succession was only a few years ago reamber, most of the troops would ahve forght in that.
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Seriously, its going to be 3 shots a minute from about 5 regiments, the rest will be 2 shots a minute.[/QUOTE]
Just wodnering-have you ever fired a Musket, I have and I think I could have loaded it twice a minuate within a few sessions, rookie troops would be able to do that certainly after a few days teaining with live ammunition. I think that troops who ahev forght before (The cored 1/3 of my force) would be able to reach around 4/5 shots a minuate. The rest of my force I would expect to fire 1/2 times a second

I havn't got 200,000 elite troops, I've got around 50,000 experienced troops of the line, and 10,000 experienced Skermishes with about 110,000 new recruits.

I don't use brown bess muskets I use El, muskets which are based on brown bess muskets.

OOC: DId these muskets actually exist? and if they didn't when did you get your hands ion a Brown Bess so could make a new design based on it?

btw, STOP ARGUING WITH THE MOD. If he says you can only fire 2 shots a minute, you only fire two shots a minute. THis holds up the game.

OOC- Gintopar is not the Mod in this particular campaign just a concerned player since he is now fighting. We probably need a new moderator for this one since nearly every country is in this war. Only Naples and Russia are unenvolved so one of those. Although i don't think a musket could fire 5 shots a minute but's ultimately up to a new Mod.

replying to the border guards.

I'm not saying they fire this many times for the sake of the gameplay, I'm saying it because it is true. The BEST French troops in Napoleons era could fire 3, maybe 4. And remember this is not even Napoleonic yet. A lot of the inventions to speed up musket firing will not be here yet.


to aust.

And regarding the wars of Spanish Succession, the main theatres of war in that conflict was the Netherlands, Western France, Germany and Italy. The one expedition that pierced into Spain and nearly captured Madrid was defeated not by a Spanish but by a French army, so your army will not be too experienced from this, perhaps even demoralised after its defeat?

And this is final, no troops in the world can fire 5 rounds in battlefield conditions yet as they do not have the equipment, the training, or the leadership. Remember, armies are still largely comprised of mercenaries and are only just coming out of this stage. 2 shots a minute will be the norm for most armies, the British will get 3 due to their volunteer status and their training for years with live ammunition. Other armies will improve as conflict drags on.

OOC- I'll i'm saying is if it's the difference between 2 and 3 shots a minute it's completly up to a mod

to aust.

And regarding the wars of Spanish Succession, the main theatres of war in that conflict was the Netherlands, Western France, Germany and Italy. The one expedition that pierced into Spain and nearly captured Madrid was defeated not by a Spanish but by a French army, so your army will not be too experienced from this, perhaps even demoralised after its defeat?

Good point.

And this is final, no troops in the world can fire 5 rounds in battlefield conditions yet as they do not have the equipment, the training, or the leadership. Remember, armies are still largely comprised of mercenaries and are only just coming out of this stage. 2 shots a minute will be the norm for most armies, the British will get 3 due to their volunteer status and their training for years with live ammunition. Other armies will improve as conflict drags on.
Okay, i'll with this just to be nice, I still think i ahv e a valid point, but this RP won't happen until one side backs down.

OOC: DId these muskets actually exist? and if they didn't when did you get your hands ion a Brown Bess so could make a new design based on it?
I've said that I've had my own forces create and design them, do your really think that Spanish are stupid? There are industrialised factorys in Madrid and Barca at this time, as there where in Sheffeild in england.

The Brown Bess musket wasn't a reltivly new invension, muskets of a similar type had been in servace for years before this. No doubt many peasn'ts would have them just as they would have hunting rifles. I'm pritty sure some guys in Spain would be able to create there own design, just as the French did and everything else. I said the Brown Bess as that is the type that I am most familliar with.

Oh and he's not the mod of this part of the RP, mate. Maybe you should read my news thread mate, this is all stated there.

Cesar Hapsburg has been at war with the French for some time, and we have yet to feel the effects. However, this does not mean that I do not wish to aid my Hapsburg brothers. Please tell me where to send my armies, and I will

The best thing to do is to sent them to Lombardy first and help defeat the French there. Then, my army there and yours will march together to Piedmont.

If this thread turns into a series of battles I would like to offer myself as a Mod, as I am one of only a couple of uninvolved and neutral nations.

OOC: That would be good, thanks.

France, i'm waiting for your answer, if you will not replay the army will cross the border.

France will, with reluctance, withdraw it's troops from Lombardy.

Than, Austria shal remove its declaration of war, an order will be sent to Feldmarshal Schwarzberg to stop all agresion towards French troops, your army will get a free pasage to Piedmontese border.

OOC- Don't you think it's a bit late for peaceful withdrawl. We've already hired mercenaries, nearly all of Naples for this war. Besides that they declined when the HRE proposed peace. Unless this is some sort of elaborate plan...

And come on don't ruin the only proper war we could have. Although why even bother about complaining with IC

Don't wory, it's no plot against you... you can still play the war, but the only thing i wanted is Lombardy, i never desire war with France...

Besides, i now have Prussia to care of, and you to i belive...

Also Waldenburg will be bankrupt before the year is out. Hiring all these men will cripple his country.

OOC: So the French are actually being quite clever.

OOC- Clever... oh well back to fighting Prussia then, anyone seen him.

From the Desk of the Secretary of War

The HON Andrew Vu

The Empire of the Final Freedom is willing to commit fully to the take over of France. My country will help plan strategies, provide soldiers, weapons, and vehicles, as well as whatever funding we can. This is a great undertaking and the whole world will tahnk us for this glorious deed. I have but one concern, after we defeat the French who gets to keep it? Surely it would be a horrific punishment for ANYONE to keep France.



Sincerely,
Andrew Vu
The Hon Andrew Vu Secretary of War

OOC- This is a past tech sort of thing where you take command of an 18th centrury european country. Not at all some open battle, all though you could join if you wanted to, if you happen to know anything about 18th century europe that is.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449185
There's a link to the homepage if your interested.