[E20] Vietnam News and Diplomatic Thread
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 00:16
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Map:
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Full Name: The United South East Asian States
Abbreviated: USEAS
Short Form: United South East Asia (USEA)
Government: Socialist democracy with the President as the head of state.
A unicameral Congress is the legislative body led by the Prime Minister. Laws are passed by Majority Vote with at least a ten vote difference needed for the Law to be passed. There are 113 seats in congress, one for each province or municipality.
Capital: The federal capital is Saigon
Local government: The USEA is made up of three member states which are in turn diveded up into one hundred and four Provinces and nine Municiplaties:
Member states:
Viet Nam:
Vietnamese: Việt Nam
Capital: Hanoi
Cambodia:
Khmer: Kampuchea
Capital: Phnom Penh
Laos:
Laotian: Laos
Capital: Vientiane
Provinces: An Giang, Bac Giang, Bac Kan, Bac Lieu, Bac Ninh, Ba Ria-Vung Tau, Ben Tre, Binh Dinh, Binh Duong, Binh Phuoc, Binh Thuan, Ca Mau, Cao Bang, Dac Lak, Dac Nong, Dien Bien, Dong Nai, Dong Thap, Gia Lai, Ha Giang, Hai Duong, Ha Nam, Ha Tay, Ha Tinh, Hau Giang, Hoa Binh, Hung Yen, Khanh Hoa, Kien Giang, Kon Tum, Lai Chau, Lam Dong, Lang Son, Lao Cai, Long An, Nam Dinh, Nghe An, Ninh Binh, Ninh Thuan, Phu Tho, Phu Yen, Quang Binh, Quang Nam, Quang Ngai, Quang Ninh, Quang Tri, Soc Trang, Son La, Tay Ninh, Thai Binh, Thai Nguyen, Thanh Hoa, Thua Thien-Hue, Tien Giang, Tra Vinh, Tuyen Quang, Vinh Long, Vinh Phuc, Yen Bai, Attapeu, Bokeo, Borikhamxay, Champassack, Houaphan, Khammouane, Louang Namtha, Louangphabang, Oudomxay, Phongsaly, Saravane, Savannakhet, Vientiane Province, Sayaboury, Saysomboun, Xekong, Xieng Khouang, Banteay Meanchey, Battambang, Kampong Cham, Kampong Chhnang, Kampong Speu, Kampong Thom, Kampot, Kandal, Kaoh Kong, Kratié, Mondul Kiri, Oddar Meancheay, Pursat, Preah Seihanu, Preah Vihear, Prey Veng, Ratanak Kiri, Siem Reap, Stung Treng, Svay Rieng and Takéo, Kaoh Sess, Kaoh Polaway, Kaoh Rong, Kaoh Thass, Kaoh Treas, Kaoh Traolach, Koah Tral, Kaoh Tang
Municipalities: Can Tho, Hai Phong, Hanoi, Saigon, Greater Vientiane, Phnom Penh, Preah Seihanu, Pailin, Keb
President: Vinh Binh Tuan
Prime Minister: Lin Yen
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Political parties: Centric Buddhist, Indo China Socalist party, United worker's aprty, Khmer party, Nationalist Indo China party
Population: 21,700,000 total
Vietnam:18,000,000
Cambodia: 2,500,000
Laos: 1,200,000
Official Languages: Laotian, Khmer, Vietnamese, (Written is the quốc ngữ system.)
Official Religions: Confucian, Theravada and Mahayana Buddhist
Infrastructure:
USEA railroad system
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Military:
USEAA (Army)
USEAAF (Airforce)
USEAN (Navy)
Recent Historical events:
1926:Independance (4/10/26)
1927:Constitution Enacted (4/14/27)
1927:Industrialization started (4/23/27)
1931:1931 Education Act passed (11/30/31)
1932:1932 Republic Act passed (8/17/32)
1932: Monarchy formally abolised and the start of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam (10/9/32)
1934: 1934 Military Creation Act (3/19/34)
1935: Creation of The United South East Asian States (USEAS) (27/4/35)
1936: 1936 Education and welfare Act passed (31/5/36)
1937: Formation of the Seoul Conference Treaty
1938: 1938 Welfare Act Passed
Diplomatic relations;
U.S.A: Warm, (Mutual Defence treaty)
Great Britain:Cordial, (Mutual Defence treaty)
Japan: Cordial,
Soviet Union: Cordial,
Yugoslavia: Cordial,
Korea: Warm, [SCT Member]
France: Cordial,
Austrailia: Warm,
Siam: Cordial, (Mutual Defence treaty)
China: Cordial
OOC: Hi it would be really helpful if you guys gave me your diplomatic stances towards Vietnam and if possible any links that you have with references Vietnam.
Thanks for your help
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 12:58
The Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc has proposed a new bill to his parliment this week that is to address Vietnam's low literacy rate.
He has said that though the introduction of the quốc ngữ writing system as the official system at the turn of the century has greatly helped improve the literacy rate, that more needs to be done.
He has therefore proposed a four fold sytem in which the government will do it's bit to educate the people, the four measures to be taken are:
1. A free state run school system for six to sixteen year olds. Each school will be headed by a director that will oversee the running of the school and the appointment of staff.
2. Government scholarships for especially talented indviduals to study at foreign universities.
3. A uniform sytem of local education boards that will oversee and inspect schools in their areas, The boards will report back to the education ministery and will also carry out directives of said ministery.
The education boards will have the power to remove teachers and school directors that are neglectful in performing their duties. They will also be able to appoint new school directors to vacant positions.
4. Sponsorship of government to religous establishments that actively help educate the people in basic literacy and mathematics. These establishments will also be inspected by the local education board who will have the power with consultation from the education ministery to withdraw government sponsorship if the establishment is no longer providing the people with basic literacy and mathmatics education.
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 14:56
OOC: Updated the Little factbook section at the top and will add diplomatic relations section when I figure out what those are.
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 15:27
The House of the People has accepted the proposal and turned it into a bill which was sent to the the House of nobles who have accepted it at a vote of 49 for and 11 against. the Act has now been sent off to the Imperial palace to be signed by the Emperor.
Vas Pokhoronim
20-11-2005, 16:03
Your population is probably around 18 million for 1932, rather than 43 million. That's just an eyeball estimate from this site (http://www.searchenginecolossus.com/Vietnam.html).
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 16:43
Ahh thanks. I had found a site with 1970 to 1980 statistics and extrapolated backwards. This is a much better estimate.
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 19:54
The House of the People has received a proposal to abolish the house of Nobles and the Monarchy.
It proposes to turn Vietnam into the Peoples Republic of Vietnam which is to be ruled by a unicameral Congress with a democratically elected President as the head of state and a similarly democratically elected Prime minister.
It is unknown what the outcome will be.
Of the council of clan
20-11-2005, 20:12
Japan wishes to established Diplomatic Relations with Vietnam, especially due to the proximity of Japanese Hainan Dao to Vietnam
Independent Macedonia
20-11-2005, 20:48
The Yugoslavian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Momillo Nincic, has sent a telegram.
It states
"Yugoslavia is happy that another Eastern nation is adopting freedom, and we will give you our best of graces to your House of the People. If Vietnam ever needs anything, we will do our best to render assistance in anyway possible.
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 20:57
Japan wishes to established Diplomatic Relations with Vietnam, especially due to the proximity of Japanese Hainan Dao to Vietnam
The Vietnamese people are happy to establish diplomatic relations with such a close and respected neighbour.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc
The Yugoslavian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Momillo Nincic, has sent a telegram.
It states
"Yugoslavia is happy that another Eastern nation is adopting freedom, and we will give you our best of graces to your House of the People. If Vietnam ever needs anything, we will do our best to render assistance in anyway possible.
We thank you for your well wishes and your kind offer. We hope that one day we will be as prosperous as your great nation.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc
Vas Pokhoronim
20-11-2005, 20:59
The Soviet Union wishes to exchange embassies with Ha Noi and is also extending the offer, commencing in 1933, of material and technical assistance for Viet Nam's socialist enterprises [OoC: Which is to say, we'll slip you a few production points to help with your industrialization program].
Herman Müller, Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs
Ato-Sara
20-11-2005, 22:46
An exchange of embassies with the Soviet Union would be most agreeable to the people. We also gratefully accept your generous offer of assistance in our industrial development.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc
Galveston Bay
21-11-2005, 04:49
The United States recognizes Vietnamese government and wishes to establish formal relations as well.
Ato-Sara
21-11-2005, 14:15
Ha Noi thanks you for your recognition and also wishes establish diplomatic relations with the United States.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc
Ato-Sara
21-11-2005, 14:21
Vietnam 1932 political overview
At present there is only the Indochina Socialist party, lead by Nguyen Ai Quoc, with any seats in the House of the People. The main opposition is the Centric Buddhist party which has been formed in the run up to the elections in april.
The House of Nobles and the Emperor have little if any power and are reduced to putting a stamp on whatever bills the House of the people make.
A proposal has been recieved by the House of the people to abolish the monarchy and turn Vietnam into a repbulic but it has been sidelined until the after the election.
Nguyen Ai Quoc is very popular and is expected to win the election.
Ato-Sara
22-11-2005, 00:07
Updated
Ato-Sara
22-11-2005, 20:43
Election Results through!
The election is over and Nguyen Ai Quoc has won, his Indochina Socialist (đảng Xã hội) party had the clear majority after the dust had cleared, though the Centric Buddhist (tín đồ đạo Phật) party also did very well managing to get over a third of the seats.
Other smaller parties have also got some seats in the House but it is clear that the CB and IS parties are going to be the main parties from now on.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc in his acceptance speech has said that he now has the confidence and support of the people and will act in their best wishes to make Viet Nam a great nation of the world.
Observers have speculated whether this could be taken to mean that the until recently sidelined republic proposal will be accepted by the House of the people.
A government spokesman has commented that it will be reviewed in the House next month.
Ato-Sara
23-11-2005, 20:07
The House of the People has voted on the Republic proposal and have decided to turn it into a bill at a vote of 46 for and 16 against.
The bill was sent to the House of Nobles where it has been unianimously rejected.
In response to this the Prime Minister and several other Indochina Socialist party leaders together with a few members of the Centric Buddhist party have said that this does not count as it is to be expected if they were to reject the very bill that would abolish them.
The government has therefore decided to hold a national referendum on the matter next month. Outraged the House of Nobles have complained to the Emperor. However as the Emperor has little power the most he can do is to refuse to sign the Act.
New Dornalia
23-11-2005, 20:23
TO: Nugyen Ai Quoc
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Empire of Korea
We hereby extend diplomatic recognition to Vietnam. We are also wondering if it is possible to begin some sort of trade pact.
Ato-Sara
23-11-2005, 20:44
We thank his majesty for the recognition of our country.
As to a trade pact we are intrested, though our main export is rice from the Mekong delta, we are investing heavily in industry.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc
New Dornalia
23-11-2005, 20:54
We thank his majesty for the recognition of our country.
As to a trade pact we are intrested, though our main export is rice from the Mekong delta, we are investing heavily in industry.
Prime Minister Nguyen Ai Quoc
TO: Nugyen Ai Quoc
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Empire of Korea
Technically, we grow most of our rice. But, we would be willing to aid your industrial development with the loaning of funds and investment in your nation, in regards to automobiles and chemicals.
Ato-Sara
24-11-2005, 00:04
We would appreciate this greatly, but we must ask you what you require in exchange for this generous aid?
Nugyen Ai Quoc
New Dornalia
24-11-2005, 01:12
We would appreciate this greatly, but we must ask you what you require in exchange for this generous aid?
Nugyen Ai Quoc
TO: Nugyen Ai Quoc
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Empire of Korea
Not much, just repayment of loans made.
Ato-Sara
24-11-2005, 08:48
Then if we can work out the final details I believe that will be able to work together for a better future for both our peoples.
Nugyen Ai Quoc
Ato-Sara
24-11-2005, 08:51
The polling stations are open again this year, but not to elect a new government.
The people are to decide on whether the Republic Bill should be turned into an Act. The Republic Bill would mean the end of the monarchy and the House of Nobles and the start of a truly democratic Republic of Vietnam.
Voting is expected to go on all this week as people in the more rural areas once again turn out to have their say.
The government of France would like to open friendly relationships with it's former colony. They wish to exchange embassies and are also extremly interested in trade. The French are wiling to provide assistance to the fledgling Republic, wether it be military or economic.
Ato-Sara
24-11-2005, 19:06
We would find an embassy exchange with France agrreable. As for trade and assitance to our economy we are in desperate need of developed industry and would greatly appreciate any help you could offer in this area.
Nugyen Ai Quoc
Ato-Sara
24-11-2005, 23:20
The results from the referendum have been announced, and were overwhelmingly in favour of the act being passed.
In response to this the prime minister has declared the act passed and therefore Vietnam a republic.
The members of the House of Nobles were stopped from gathering in their meeting house today by armed NLF militia, saying they were operating under the authority of the People's Congress of Vietnam.
Prime minister Nugyen Ai Quoc has called upon the Emperor to vacate his throne and step down, and make way for the Republic.
Vas Pokhoronim
24-11-2005, 23:30
Uh oh.
Ato-Sara
24-11-2005, 23:57
Nah.. its not going to be that bad, though I might have royalist rebels and insurgents making a bother later on.
For now however the New People's congress is just going to force the emperor out with as little force as possible.
Ato-Sara
25-11-2005, 19:25
So far the Emperor has steadfastly refused to step down from the throne and vacate the palace.
Earlier today a large group of NLF militia gathered at the palace gates and demanded in the name of the people that the Emperor leave immediatly. When no anwser was given the milita made to enter the palace but were opposed by what remaining guards the Emperor had managed to hang onto.
A long standoff ensued before the Guards were eventually convinced to surrender and leave. After which the NLF entered the building and escorted the Emperor to a waiting car where he was driven to the Chamber of the People's Congress. There he was told he had two choices, either he could remain in Vietnam and become a respectable hardworking citizen or he could leave the country and never return.
Emperor Bao Dai protested profusely but in the end stormed out of the chamber vowing to return. He was then driven north to his mansion out side of Lao Cai where he is to be guarded until he makes his descion.
Meanwhile the prime minister has renamed the Palace the Presidential Palace and has announced that next month there will be an election where the congressmen will vote to decide on who will be the president.
Vas Pokhoronim
25-11-2005, 20:35
The Union applauds the victory of democracy over authoritarianism in Viet Nam, and offers to assist the democratic government in making a smooth transition of power with the commitment of peacekeeping forces, if necessary.
Simply ask, and we will aid you. The cause of human freedom must always prevail over injustice.
- Jukums Vacietis, Federal Minister of Defense
The French people are overjoyed to hear that you have thrown off the chains of monarchy. We are willing to help our former colony in any way possible. In a few years our economy will be strong enough to begin investing in your country and help you on your way to becoming amodern nation.
Yours,
Leon Blum, Prime Minister,
Ato-Sara
25-11-2005, 23:53
The Union applauds the victory of democracy over authoritarianism in Viet Nam, and offers to assist the democratic government in making a smooth transition of power with the commitment of peacekeeping forces, if necessary.
Simply ask, and we will aid you. The cause of human freedom must always prevail over injustice.
- Jukums Vacietis, Federal Minister of Defense
We thank you comrade for your approval and for your kindly offer of aid.
But we do not think it necessary to have any kind of peacekeeping force at the moment. Mr Dao Bai has very few supporters, most of whom are Montagnards, who are rural mountain villagers with little means to stay democracy's true course.
Nugyen Ai Quoc
The French people are overjoyed to hear that you have thrown off the chains of monarchy. We are willing to help our former colony in any way possible. In a few years our economy will be strong enough to begin investing in your country and help you on your way to becoming amodern nation.
Yours,
Leon Blum, Prime Minister,
We would gratefully recieve any aid you would be kind enough to bestow upon us. Even now our industrial base is growing and with foreign help in coming years we will be able to become a truly modern nation.
Nugyen Ai Quoc
Ato-Sara
26-11-2005, 09:42
Presidential election in Congress have ended and with a decided majority to elect Lô Hồng Châu as president, a senior IS party member he has the support of most of Congress.
Ato-Sara
28-11-2005, 21:24
1933 Political Overview
Viet Nam is now a republic and ruled by a bipartite congress. The recent ejection of the Emperor from the throne and his subsequent house arrest has caused little upset for he has few supporters.
The governemnt remains popular and the progressive Education Act is beginning to show results.
Australia wishes to establish friendly diplomatic relations with Vietnam and wishes that nation the best of luck in the future. To that end, we offer 6 industrial points for your use in the coming year, in the hope that they will help establish an infantry corps to help defend your great country.
Galveston Bay
05-12-2005, 22:11
Australia wishes to establish friendly diplomatic relations with Vietnam and wishes that nation the best of luck in the future. To that end, we offer 6 industrial points for your use in the coming year, in the hope that they will help establish an infantry corps to help defend your great country.
ooc
that would be enough for Vietnam to create 3 Infantry corps
OOC: And France invested 10 points in Vietnam in 1934 for economic develpment.
Ato-Sara
05-12-2005, 22:38
Australia wishes to establish friendly diplomatic relations with Vietnam and wishes that nation the best of luck in the future. To that end, we offer 6 industrial points for your use in the coming year, in the hope that they will help establish an infantry corps to help defend your great country.
The Vietnamese people thank you greatly for thinking of our welfare and security when all nations are threatened by looming tensions. We will be happy to establish diplomatic relations with your great country.
Prime Minister,
Nguyen Ai Quoc
OOC: Will I be able to use these points this year?
Galveston Bay
06-12-2005, 00:09
The Vietnamese people thank you greatly for thinking of our welfare and security when all nations are threatened by looming tensions. We will be happy to establish diplomatic relations with your great country.
Prime Minister,
Nguyen Ai Quoc
OOC: Will I be able to use these points this year?
yes, you can use any points provided the year they are provided
Ato-Sara
06-12-2005, 00:57
Military creation Act announced!
The military creation act today passed by a majority in congress calls for the foundation of the RVA or Republican Vietnamese Army.
Funds have been allocated from aid given to the Republic by austrailia to begin the training and equipping of three infantry corps.
The Military headquarters is to be a new building constructed in Saigon.
The new military will primarily be made up of members of the NLF militia that has up untill recently been a placeholder for an Army. The NLF militia however is now going to disbanded and any members not wishing to join the army will be offered a place in the Police force.
Lesser Ribena
06-12-2005, 16:22
psst, did you see my offer on teh China War thread?
Basically Britain is offering to supply Vietnam's military at a low cost to them. Seeing as there's a lot of trouble in the East at the moment and how an opportunity may soon arise to take extra territory (Indo-China). See the thread for more details, it's at the bottom of page one.
Vas Pokhoronim
06-12-2005, 17:03
OoC: Which reminds me . . .
IC
Following the request of the Vienamese government, the Union has agreed to assist in the establsihment of the Republican Vietnamese Army by supplying advisors and equipment.
OoC: Basically, military aid will be arriving by air. We can spare 12 production points this year, which will be used to construct 1 Headquarters Unit and, say, 3 Infantry. Next year we can assist in the establishment of a modest air force and navy and the construction of fortifications.
Of course, if we ended up cooperating with the British, we could divide our efforts more efficiently.
Ato-Sara
06-12-2005, 20:48
The Vietnamese people thank our Comrades in the Ubion for grantiong us this much needed aid. Facilities in Saigon will be prepared for your advisors' equipment and use.
Minister of Defence,
Lu Tranh Ho
OOC: Yeah sorry LR I saw your post but forgot about it.
The French governemnt requests permission to ship arms and possibly troops through Vietnam and into China.
Ato-Sara
06-12-2005, 21:06
Shipments of arms and troops will be allowed to dock at Haiphong with the interest of stablizing China.
Minister of Defence,
Lu Tranh Ho
The French governemnt graciously thanks the Vietnamese for their understanding in this matter.
Ato-Sara
07-12-2005, 08:07
Seeing that the situation is destabiliazing rapidly in China with no chance of it stopping in the near future, The Vietnamese People have decided to anwnser our fellow South East Asian's pleas for assistance. Therefore leaders in Laos and Cambodia have been conatacted as to the possibility of the newly formed RVA to start securing the northern border to China and to maintain order with the help of NLF militia.
In other news the President and Prime Minister have called for the NLF militia commander to start stepping down. Most who are not already working in cooperation with the RVA are agreeing, while some mainly in the north are refusing to stand down and some like the famed commander Vo Nyugen Giap have gone with their men to help the rebels in China.
Ato-Sara
07-12-2005, 17:44
The Emperor Bao Dai seeing that rescue by China is now impossible has made it known to Congress that he has made his descion and will depart the country as soon as possible.
Nyugen Ai Quoc has agreed to this and the former Emperor will depart the country at Haiphong on a ship bound for France.
Meanwhile the Emperor has sent a message to France asking for asylum.
Some of the more radical members of the Indochina Socailist party have protested against this saying the the former Emperor should be tried for his crime he supposedly commited during his reign.
Ato-Sara
12-12-2005, 08:44
Radical memebers of the Indo China Socailist party have broken away and formed the radiacal Vietnamese Worker's party. They say that Viet Nam should take a more active role in stamping out imperialism and spreading the word of Communism.
Thge Radicals have little but some representation in Congress
Galveston Bay
13-12-2005, 04:55
Ambassador Hull arrives in Vietnam in February with the following proposals
The US government offers to modernize and expand the ports of Haiphong, Danang, and Saigon and build a major port at Cam Ranh Bay. In addition, the US proposes to modernize the railroad running the length of Vietnam and extend a railroad through the Central Highlands into Vientene (Laos) and expand the small port of Kampot to a size suitable for shipping and construct a railline to Phnom Penh from there (basically spend 36 points on Indochina, this will immediately bring Vietnam up to tech level 5 because of the local industries stimulated by all of this development).
In addition, the United States government proposes helping the Republic of Vietnam build 3 garrison units (one for each capital) and upgrade 1 infantry corps to a motorized corps. (10 points worth of military aid, and the entire Vietnamese Army will be at tech level 6 after this).
In addition, the US proposes a formal military alliance between the United States, Great Britain, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia that would require the US and Great Britain to defend those nations from outside parties. In exchange, the US and British navies would be allowed anchorage (refueling and anchorage plus shore leave) at Camh Ranh Bay.
In additon, Vietnam would pull its forces out of China and give up all future claims to the Paracel Islands (which would go to the US and eventually the Republic of the Philipppines) and the Spratley Islands (which would go to the Singapore Crown Colony of Great Britain)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/schina_sea_88.jpg
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/factbook/cb/map.html
Nyugen Ai Quoc has agreed to this and the former Emperor will depart the country at Haiphong on a ship bound for France.
Meanwhile the Emperor has sent a message to France asking for asylum.
The French governemnt offer the Emperor French citizenship and give him asylum.
Ato-Sara
13-12-2005, 08:01
The French governemnt offer the Emperor French citizenship and give him asylum.
The Emperor accepts and begins his journey to France.
Ato-Sara
13-12-2005, 08:12
Ambassador Hull arrives in Vietnam in February with the following proposals
The US government offers to modernize and expand the ports of Haiphong, Danang, and Saigon and build a major port at Cam Ranh Bay. In addition, the US proposes to modernize the railroad running the length of Vietnam and extend a railroad through the Central Highlands into Vientene (Laos) and expand the small port of Kampot to a size suitable for shipping and construct a railline to Phnom Penh from there (basically spend 36 points on Indochina, this will immediately bring Vietnam up to tech level 5 because of the local industries stimulated by all of this development).
In addition, the United States government proposes helping the Republic of Vietnam build 3 garrison units (one for each capital) and upgrade 1 infantry corps to a motorized corps. (10 points worth of military aid, and the entire Vietnamese Army will be at tech level 6 after this).
In addition, the US proposes a formal military alliance between the United States, Great Britain, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia that would require the US and Great Britain to defend those nations from outside parties. In exchange, the US and British navies would be allowed anchorage (refueling and anchorage plus shore leave) at Camh Ranh Bay.
In additon, Vietnam would pull its forces out of China and give up all future claims to the Paracel Islands (which would go to the US and eventually the Republic of the Philipppines) and the Spratley Islands (which would go to the Singapore Crown Colony of Great Britain)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/schina_sea_88.jpg
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/factbook/cb/map.html
Nyugyen Ai Quoc looks over the proposal critically.
" Your proposal is very tempting and the aid you would give us would surely catapult us into the modern world. All terms present are acceptable though we find the last clause about relinquishing the island claims troubling.
The Spratly Islands we have no need or wish to claim, however the Paracel island chain we feel is too close to home to be simply relinquished.
We could alternitvely allow the US basing rights in the paracel islands?"
Ato-Sara
13-12-2005, 23:13
Communique to The governments of Laos and Cambodia
The peopel of Viet Nam have always looked neighbourly upon our comrades to the west and in this time of upheavel we have acted as good neighbours should and have shielded our comrades from harm.
Seeing this we have wondered if a closer political and economic union of our states under one banner would provide more advantages all round.
We propose to construct the United South East Asian States, it would consist of all our nations ruled by a represntative federal government. Each state would be alowed limited Autonomy in local governent but national government and foreign policy would be controlled by the federal govenment.
We wish to know your reactions to this proposal.
Sincerely,
Nyugyen Ai Quoc
Galveston Bay
13-12-2005, 23:20
Nyugyen Ai Quoc looks over the proposal critically.
" Your proposal is very tempting and the aid you would give us would surely catapult us into the modern world. All terms present are acceptable though we find the last clause about relinquishing the island claims troubling.
The Spratly Islands we have no need or wish to claim, however the Paracel island chain we feel is too close to home to be simply relinquished.
We could alternitvely allow the US basing rights in the paracel islands?"
Cordull Hull, a very distinguished looking man, mused over the Vietnamese reply before adding his own. "I have the authority to modify the agreement in that way, yes. The Treaty will be as proposed with the addendum that Vietnam gets clear title to the Paracel Islands and the US Navy may also use them as an anchorage along with Cam Ranh Bay."
Galveston Bay
13-12-2005, 23:21
Communique to The governments of Laos and Cambodia
The peopel of Viet Nam have always looked neighbourly upon our comrades to the west and in this time of upheavel we have acted as good neighbours should and have shielded our comrades from harm.
Seeing this we have wondered if a closer political and economic union of our states under one banner would provide more advantages all round.
We propose to construct the United South East Asian States, it would consist of all our nations ruled by a represntative federal government. Each state would be alowed limited Autonomy in local governent but national government and foreign policy would be controlled by the federal govenment.
We wish to know your reactions to this proposal.
Sincerely,
Nyugyen Ai Quoc
OOC
Both are willing to consider it, but both have monarchies are want to know their status in such an arrangement. However, the US / Vietnam treaty does immediately bring them to the table though, as both see the benefits. The only sticking point is the monarchy.
Ato-Sara
13-12-2005, 23:30
IC:
The monarchies of Laos and Cambodia would nominally stay and it would be up those state's democratically elected government to decide what ultimatley their position would be.
Ato-Sara
13-12-2005, 23:36
Cordull Hull, a very distinguished looking man, mused over the Vietnamese reply before adding his own. "I have the authority to modify the agreement in that way, yes. The Treaty will be as proposed with the addendum that Vietnam gets clear title to the Paracel Islands and the US Navy may also use them as an anchorage along with Cam Ranh Bay."
Nyugen Ai Quoc arched his fingers and smiled.
"We find this treaty and its addendum acceptable. However it is of such importance that congress will have to vote on it. A final anwser will be foth coming shortly.
Until then, thank you for your time."
A vote in congress reveals that the majority agree and accept the treaty while the Vietnamese Workers's party opposes it to the man.
Galveston Bay
13-12-2005, 23:41
IC:
The monarchies of Laos and Cambodia would nominally stay and it would be up those state's democratically elected government to decide what ultimatley their position would be.
Laos and Cambodia will then join the Federation of Indochina
Ato-Sara
13-12-2005, 23:48
A widely publisized court martial has caused a storm of debate across the country this week.
Nyugen Jae To a former NLF commander who became a high ranking general in the RVA was tasked with defending the Indo-Chinese border with two infantry corps, went beyond his orders when seeing that the other side of the border was completely undefended advanced his troops as far as the southern Chinese cit of Nanning before meeting resistance. Shortly afterwards several senior officer under him relieved him of command and withdrew the units back to the border.
When asked to explain his actions Nyugen Jae To said that he was going to help liberate the people of China from their nationalist oppressors and that he had done nothing wrong. The government however disagree and have said that officers in the RVA cannot act like warlords and disobey direct order to fufill their own agendas.
Supporter and members of the Vietnamese Worker's party howevre disagree and say that the general should be commended for his act of valour in trying to liberate our northen comrades from oppression and say that it is the officer who mutined under him that should be court marshelled.
Ato-Sara
14-12-2005, 23:49
The United South East Asian States have been created!
Made up of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam they will strive to create a better Indo China for the future.
Elections for the new federal government will take place in May next year, after the new government buildings in Saigon have been completed.
(OOC:Look at the front page for the updated stuff about the USEA.
Also Vas do you know the approximate populations of Laos and cambodia at this time?)
Ato-Sara
19-12-2005, 10:40
Federal elections begin! So far it is a three way tie between the Centric Buddhist party, the Indochina Socalist Party and the Khmer party with the United Workers party lagging behind with a small amount of votes.
Meanwhile posters and advertisemnts are being put up inviting able bodied men and women to sign up for the USEA military particularly the newly formed Navy.
Ato-Sara
19-12-2005, 23:05
The elections are over and the Centric Buddhist party has won by a small be workable majority of the Indo China Socalist party.
The new president is Vinh Binh Tuan with his prime minister Lin Yen.
Lin Yen has already assembled her cabinet and together with Vinh Binh Tuan made her opening speech to the nation.
Khmer party leaders have expressed displeasure that a woman has become prime minister but Nyugen Ai Quoc dismissed them saying that all were equal in the eyes of the state.
Ato-Sara
20-12-2005, 20:29
Communique to the government of Siam
Greetings, as a much respected neighbour we wish to form close diplomatic ties with your proud country.
Also as we have been given tremendous aid and are now in a position to give aid ourselves, we feel it would be best to help our fellow South East Asians achieve what we have been enabled to achieve. We therefore would be willing, if you accept to provide economic aid to your country.
Faithfully,
Prime Minister
Lin Yen
Ato-Sara
21-12-2005, 12:38
Lin Yen today made the first Act of her term in office when the Universal Welfare and education proposal was accepted by Congress.
The proposal was based off the old Vietnamese Education Act, but had many new points. These included:
1. New medical clinics to be set up in the poorest rural and urban areas.
2. A new system of high schools based on the primary school system to be put in place high schools.
3. Public hospitals in all major cities and towns where treatment is subsidized by the govermnet.
4. Social security service, fund and tax to help assist the elderly, disabled
5. Public government funded universities to be established, with a scholarship system for students from poorer backgrounds.
Ato-Sara
21-12-2005, 14:23
The court martial of General Nyugen Jae To ended in uproar today as he was sentenced to five years internment in the Military Correctional facility on Con Dao island.
UWP members and leaders held a massive protest outside the courthouse and nearly started a riot with ISP and CB supporters dennouncing Jae To as a renegade rebel. However swift action by police units broke up the mob before any damage was done.
Nyugen Jae To said that he had no regrets and that in the end the people would exhonorate him.
Hrstrovokia
21-12-2005, 23:54
It's possible the Thais would accept USEA (or as they would see it, Vietnamese) assistance. But they'd be pretty suspicious of the offer coming out of the blue like that, I think. Thais and Viets have a long and fairly violent shared history, after all (Cambodia has been a battleground between the two state for centuries), and the last few years have been tumultuous ones in Siam, with financial crises, coups, and countercoups. Right now a Regency Council for the new Prince governs a constitutional monarchy, but the power of the increasingly Nationalist (i.e., fascist) military is growing at the same time as the country's fairly recent democracy is looking increasingly shakier.
The political leadership therefore has kind of a quandary - on the one hand, accepting Viet help might assist them in their rivalry with the fascists, but on the other it would make them look like they were taking handouts from powerful foreign rivals, which wouldn't play well among Thai patriots.
Based on this, I'd say they'll probably politely decline the offer of assistance, but accept friendly relations.
The Empire of Japan is interested in improving its relations with Vietnam. To that end, the Empire of Japan wishes to begin negotiations with you in order to bring our two nations closer.
Ato-Sara
22-12-2005, 21:35
Communique to the Empire of Japan
United South East Asia would be happy to expand its relations with Japan, but we are slightly worried about Japan's recent militaristic actions. As such that we feel that anything other than diplomatic relations would be impractical.
Sincerely,
Minister of Foreign affairs
Thi Yen
Communique to the Empire of Japan
United South East Asia would be happy to expand its relations with Japan, but we are slightly worried about Japan's recent militaristic actions. As such that we feel that anything other than diplomatic relations would be impractical.
Sincerely,
Minister of Foreign affairs
Thi Yen
The Japanese government acknowledges United South East Asia's request but offers aid (points) to help improve its infrastructure and discount military goods.
Ato-Sara
22-12-2005, 22:45
The Japanese government acknowledges United South East Asia's request but offers aid (points) to help improve its infrastructure and discount military goods.
Though we do require aid for development, we are very cautios about entering any agreement with Japan involving serious obligations.
Sincerely,
Minister of Foreign affairs
Thi Yen
Ato-Sara
08-01-2006, 16:20
Prime Minister Lin Yen has today announced the massive increase in funding that is going into welfare, health and education.
According to her announcement free junior high schooling, unemployment benefits and a food stamp system will be emplace in the coming year with prehaps more to come.
Both the Indochina socialist party and the United Workers Party supported Lin Yen's Centist Buddhists in this move.
The Independant Khmer Party however commented that spending over half the country's budget on social reforms was not what was neede at this point
Australia secretly contacts the USEA with offers of economic aid during this turbulent time. We have a history of friendship that deserves nothing less.
OOC: I have one extra point in the 1939 budget to give you. If war/trouble continues into 1940 I am scheduled to have a big surplus, so expect much more.
Ato-Sara
11-01-2006, 08:32
The USEA thanks its friends in Austrailia for their generosity in these troubled times. The aid will be gratefully recieved and put to good use.
Whittlesfield
26-06-2006, 22:47
Private message to:The United South East Asia States of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.
From:United Mexican States (Department of Foreign Affairs)
We thank you in your gesture of friendship towards our nation, and we extend an offer of friendship back. We invited South Asian officials to come to our country to discuss trade and treaties.
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Private message to:The United South East Asia States of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.
From:United Mexican States (Department of Defence)
We would like to enquire as to the availability of small arms for purchase. If possible, we would like 10,000 assault rifles
Ato-Sara
27-06-2006, 00:05
Private message to:The United South East Asia States of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.
From:United Mexican States (Department of Foreign Affairs)
We thank you in your gesture of friendship towards our nation, and we extend an offer of friendship back. We invited South Asian officials to come to our country to discuss trade and treaties.
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Private message to:The United South East Asia States of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.
From:United Mexican States (Department of Defence)
We would like to enquire as to the availability of small arms for purchase. If possible, we would like 10,000 assault rifles
Private Communique to:United Mexican States (Department of Foreign Affairs)
From:The United South East Asian States of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.
We are happy that such friendship between nations can grow in such troubled times, and will gladly accept our invitation to trade talks in your nation.
We look forward to the time and a team of diplomats will be assembled for the occasion.
Sincerely,
Nyugen Jian Ho,
Minister of foreign affairs.
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Private Communique to:United Mexican States (Department of Defense)
From:The United South East Asian States of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.
Arms purchases from Indochina's many companies would be most welcome.
Recently the Ban Toi Heavy Manufacturing Amanment Division aquirred the liscences to manufacture the sucessful AK-47 and AKM series of rifle fromt eh Kalashnikov group in Pakistan.
Rifles enough for two brigades such as you have ordered are readily available from CSC Logistics Dept. stockpiles alone and can be sold to you when required. (OOC: Using the in game economic and military mechanics this actually has little effect unless you want to pay me to train you military for you. The effect it does have however is that if I issue an arms embargo on you then maintenace costs for you infantry units gets higher.)
Our intelligence of your naval assets at this time suggests that you are need of more naval ships, we can also asisst you in this endeavour as we are capable of constructing first rate surface and sub-surafce warships.
Sincerely,
Brigadier General Han An Quoc,
CSC Logistics Dept.
OOC:
This thread is outdated, use this one as it has more relevant infomation;
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467442