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Any one interested in playing a RPed war with me on the simplest terms? I was thinking of having a war that is 'National-based' whereas the war is based upon army movements and international conflict, not upon any one character or characters.

If you dont mind I would like to test out a new Military Calculator I have which I will post asap. If anyone is interested Telegram my nation or post here.

I have never played a war yet, and I would create the map as long as you would tell me the name and everything you want for your nation...


Thanks! - The People's Republic of Ekathora

This simple war I want to play is largely so that I can test my new Military Calculator. Check it out, and if you want to play with it then we can start on the map situation and we can work from there! Post or telegram!

I have these goals to accomplish with this MilCal:
1- Make military information concrete, accessible and simple for all nations
2- Make a standard system we can all use
3- Maintain balance and fairness in the game
4- Prevent exploits
5- Aid in roleplaying (this is not meant for realistic interpretation)

The Economy plays the part of how many units you can have on the field, and (to counter act any exploits done .. this is meant to be used on a Regional scale) the Population is what mainly determines the 'tech' level to keep things balanced between the two features.

Levels of Economy
#Units - Economy
0 – Imploded, Basket Case
1 – Fragile, Weak
2 – Struggling, Developing
3 – Reasonable, Fair
5 – Good, Strong
6 – Very Strong, Thriving
7 – Powerhouse, All-consuming
8 - Frightening

Levels of Population
#Units - population --- What is available to them
1 - 5-50 million --- Guerilla, Conscripts available
2 – 50-100 million --- Army Division, Army Reserve available
3 – 100-300 million --- Artillery, Navy Reserve, Fighters available
4 – 300-500 million --- Airlift Group, Mechanized Infantry, Amphibious Assault
4 – 500 million-1 billion --- Tank Division, Destroyer Battle Group
4 – 1 billion-2 billion --- Carrier Battle Group, Bombers
4 – 1 billion-3 billion

Bonus Points
+1 pt for 100% tax rate
+2 pts for Major Industry in Arms or Auto Manufacturing
+3 pts for Defense as main priority

ADD all points from both Economy and Population. Then add any bonus points, and that is your total pts for units. From that you can 'buy' units from the below catalog (providing your nation CAN).

Unit Costs
---ARMY---
1/2 pt - Guerilla
1/2 pt - Conscript
1 pt - Army Reserve
1 pt - Regular Army Division
2 pts - Artillery Division
2 pts - Mechanized Infantry
3 pts - Tank Division

---AIRFORCE---
2 pts - Fighter Group
3 pts - Bomber Group
1 pt - Airlift Group

---NAVY---
1 pt - Navy Reserve
2 pts - Amphibious Assault
2 pts - Destroyer Battle Group
3 pts - Carrier Battle Group

Of course any thoughts/comments/ideas/hate mail is also welcome on my Military Calculator. But please, before commenting be sure you understand my GOALS at the top of this post. Thanks!:D

The problem with that calculator is that it doesn't take a lot of things into account.

For example, if you're a nation with 3 billion people, a Frightening economy, and a 100% tax rate—with Defense and Arms Manufacturing as top priorities—there you get a total of 20 points according to the system. But a lot of nations have a lot more than what 20 points can buy.

For example, Defense could be your priority in that case, but it could be only 10% of your budget. If your GDP is $100 trillion, that's only $10 trillion, which can't buy so many units. On the other hand, it could be 50% or even higher (>$50 trillion) in which case you could afford a lot more.

Too simplistic. And then there are those of us who don't rely on calculators for their stats, like me...

The problem with that calculator is that it doesn't take a lot of things into account.

For example, if you're a nation with 3 billion people, a Frightening economy, and a 100% tax rate—with Defense and Arms Manufacturing as top priorities—there you get a total of 20 points according to the system. But a lot of nations have a lot more than what 20 points can buy.

For example, Defense could be your priority in that case, but it could be only 10% of your budget. If your GDP is $100 trillion, that's only $10 trillion, which can't buy so many units. On the other hand, it could be 50% or even higher (>$50 trillion) in which case you could afford a lot more.

Too simplistic. And then there are those of us who don't rely on calculators for their stats, like me...

Thank you very much for your input! I do really appreciate it.

However, the reason it is like this ("too simplistic") is because in the region I am from, people discredit and do not like the NSEconomy calculators and all the calculators that determine GDP and the 'money' side of it.

Read goal number 5: "not meant for realistic interpretation" I know that the money side of it wouldnt work in accordance with my Military Calculator, but once again I am calling for a simplified war, based on more simplified means. I am glad you took the time to come look at it for me tho! Thanks alot!

Read goal number 5: "not meant for realistic interpretation" I know that the money side of it wouldnt work in accordance with my Military Calculator, but once again I am calling for a simplified war, based on more simplified means. I am glad you took the time to come look at it for me tho! Thanks alot!
Damn it, I didn't see that part. Shows you what my reading comprehension skills amount to :headbang: :p

I'd suggest making the number of points smaller.

In addition, also remember that one artillery division, for example, could be anything between 20,000 and 100,000 men. An infantry division could be between 50,000 and 250,000... it's all kind of unclear. Was that intentional? Likewise a carrier battle group could be from ten ships to more than a hundred... conceivably (in a NS world where people have 3000+ ship navies at their beck and call)...

Damn it, I didn't see that part. Shows you what my reading comprehension skills amount to :headbang: :p

I'd suggest making the number of points smaller.

In addition, also remember that one artillery division, for example, could be anything between 20,000 and 100,000 men. An infantry division could be between 50,000 and 250,000... it's all kind of unclear. Was that intentional? Likewise a carrier battle group could be from ten ships to more than a hundred... conceivably (in a NS world where people have 3000+ ship navies at their beck and call)...

It really is (just as you pointed out) a very simplistic system, and I have yet to come up with that... I would assume that for a Army Division would be lets say 30,000 men... air force groups would be 20 planes each... and naval groups would be somewhere like 50 boats each???

:confused: Does this seem reasonable? I would like to allow the roleplaying to take over at that point, but do the above numbers rub anyone really bad? I am not very experienced in that so any help in good number system would be good. * Remember goal #5...* :D

Doesn't sound so much of a simple war to me. Sounds like bogging down statistics. But, as long as it keeps wars in checks, sounds good.

An air force group is usually 3-4 wings (a wing is about six squadrons; a squadron is 3-4 flights; a flight is 3-4 planes), or somewhere between 200 and 300 planes.

Naval fleets can be anywhere between 50 and 1,000 ships.

Remember...this is the NS world, and most large nations have navies, armies, and airforces that dwarf those of the RL world...

It really is (just as you pointed out) a very simplistic system, and I have yet to come up with that... I would assume that for a Army Division would be lets say 30,000 men... air force groups would be 20 planes each... and naval groups would be somewhere like 50 boats each???

:confused: Does this seem reasonable? I would like to allow the roleplaying to take over at that point, but do the above numbers rub anyone really bad? I am not very experienced in that so any help in good number system would be good. * Remember goal #5...* :D

Divisions are normally 10-20,000 men, an air group is (in the USAF) formed of several squadrons (and equivalent to a Numbered Air Force in the RAF), and naval task forces and the like are made up of SHIPS, not boats, and rather flexible in their composition (though a CBG is about 8 or so ships iirc).

Doesn't sound so much of a simple war to me. Sounds like bogging down statistics. But, as long as it keeps wars in checks, sounds good.

Please if you will be so kind as to elaborate for me? I have assumed that the other wars that actually going through all the GDP and budget and everything would be FAR more bogged down in numbers... where as this would make it simplier... please do explain...

I just think that most people would perhaps prefer to base their armies and industries off of how they created their nation, not on how they add up point wise.

The point system can be alright, but the whole thing of figuring out where you are can be odd.

looks like a good idea but it needs alot of work.

looks like a good idea but it needs alot of work.

I am open to suggestions. And I think that when it comes to the military the only "hard system" to work from in NS is the economy.. I mean Civil Rights and Political Freedoms dont really apply to how big or advanced your military is. And the population limits and system is in there to eliminate anyone creating a new nation that has a Powerhouse economy from dominating nations that have stood standing for ages. Once again it is an attempt at balance, not realism here. I would love to hear of any ideas or issues that would increase the balance of it or what currently makes it upbalanced.


:D Thanks alot for the comments!

I just think that most people would perhaps prefer to base their armies and industries off of how they created their nation, not on how they add up point wise.


I would love to do that, however the problem is that industries are normally very random and issues are also random... this is meant as a minimum for military creation...

I like this idea alot. :)

So if my nation was to enter:

Good economy: 5 points
62 million population (yes i'm new :P): 2 points (army division, army reserve, guerillas, conscripts)
Auto manufacturing as a major industry: 2 points

= 9 points to spend.

Sounds good to me...i will be annihilated but what the hell...I'm in.

5 Regular army divisions
2 Army reserves
4 Guerilla divisions.


P.S. How do we decide what equipment they have? I mean there would be a massive difference to our troops abilities according to their equipment... And if we have no Navy/Air force wouldn't that make it impossible to attack an island nation without allied help?

I like this idea alot. :)

So if my nation was to enter:

Good economy: 5 points
62 million population (yes i'm new :P): 2 points (army division, army reserve, guerillas, conscripts)
Auto manufacturing as a major industry: 2 points

= 9 points to spend.

Sounds good to me...i will be annihilated but what the hell...I'm in.

5 Regular army divisions
2 Army reserves
4 Guerilla divisions.


P.S. How do we decide what equipment they have? I mean there would be a massive difference to our troops abilities according to their equipment... And if we have no Navy/Air force wouldn't that make it impossible to attack an island nation without allied help?

Well I am very glad your in! :D

The thing once again is the fact that this calculator that I am testing here is meant for the region I am in (Apolyton) that we are trying to resurrect from the dead. At Apolyton we have a rule that you cant attack another territory (we have a set map) until you reach around 500 million or so, (but I hope to change this when my MilCal is proposed) so as you can see, at around 500 million you get Marines, Helicopters and Mechanized Infantry and you would already have a skeleton Navy, so in our region no one of OUR sizes would be invading unless it was in defense against a neighbor.

But yes so my little nation scores up the following:

Economy: Strong: 5pts
Population: 20mil: 1pts and Conscripts and Guerillas
Bonus: Major industry of Arms Manufacturing: 2pts
Total: 8 points

So the military forces for the People's Republic of Ekathora:
10 Conscripts
6 Guerillas

For the glory of Ekathora!:D

If you want I can get up on a map and we could run a little test to see how this rolls?


EDIT NOTE: I changed some things in original post such as putting Marines (amphibious assualt) in the Navy category and added Destroyer Battle Group to the population 'tech' list :b: :D

not saying i'm going to use this much but anyway

Economy: Frightening: 8pts
Population: 1.4 bil: 4pts
Bonus: Major industry of Arms Manufacturing: 2pts + Defense: 3pts
Total: 17 points


2 Regular Army Division
1 Artillery Division
1 Tank Division
1 Fighter Group
1 Bomber Group
1 Destroyer Battle Group
1 Carrier Battle Group

If you want I can get up on a map and we could run a little test to see how this rolls?


That would be cool, can't wait ;)

That would be cool, can't wait ;)

Excellent, I will start a new thread named "Westport War (Semi-Closed)" :D I took an island from our region (named Westport) and made territories out of it so we can play off it. And we can have a go at RPing this out.

I will have a link to this thread for any others that want to join up or see how its being worked out. This will be the offical OOC thread, and the other one will be for the war itself. I will put a link here for going to it as well

The only problem is that I have a map.. I just cant upload it because the forum wont let me...I dont want to start the other thread without showing the map here for anyone wanting to play... :confused: :( Any suggestions?

AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS IN ON THE RP WAR JOIN NOW! :D

I love the idea of just a simple fair system (some systems confuse me). I'm in; just don't expect any thing great. 2 questions; 1 the whole ability/number thing and 2 the stats change quite quickly, what if it change in the middle of a war? Do you get reinforcements or should it just stay what you post up here or do we redo it every week or some thing?

Economy: Reasonable; 3
Population: 1.178 bil: 4pts
Bonus: +1 pt for 100% tax rate
Total: 8 points

Destroyer Battle Group
Fighter Group
2 Regular Army Division
2 Conscript
2 Guerilla

I love the idea of just a simple fair system (some systems confuse me). I'm in; just don't expect any thing great. 2 questions; 1 the whole ability/number thing and 2 the stats change quite quickly, what if it change in the middle of a war? Do you get reinforcements or should it just stay what you post up here or do we redo it every week or some thing?


Glad your in! :D

1) I am not sure I understand what you mean, but I will give it a shot: The army units will be confined to the ground until airlift units and naval reserves. The individual units themselves will have weakness and strong points, but the effect of these on the war will be majorly RPed out. If you want I can add the weakness/strengths to the original post... (although that may take time..) navies and air forces work just one might expect. Fighters are mainly used to protect the skies, bombers to destroy the industrial power of enemy nations, airlift units drop ground troops in and out (not tanks or Mech infantry though).

2) This can mainly be decided at the beginning of whatever conflict is being RPed out.. but I believe it would be more cool if we do weekly updates of our military... this will do two things: 1) put pressure for updated military numbers, and 2) create a sense of a progressing changing war... you want to be sure to watch your economy more closely in a war... :)

Like I said, the map is ready (set for at most 7 involved nations) so all those who want in please say so now.. we currently have 3: Ekathora, Minignu, Jtnibbles... But I still need to find a way to upload the map...

Like I said, the map is ready (set for at most 7 involved nations) so all those who want in please say so now.. we currently have 3: Ekathora, Minignu, Jtnibbles... But I still need to find a way to upload the map...

Just put it image hosting site and use a link, or even try creating a free website if it only 7 nations you might be able to use its own message board.

Just put it image hosting site and use a link, or even try creating a free website if it only 7 nations you might be able to use its own message board.

Can do. What I will do is load it up to my own website (geocities) and link it to there... I guess I should have thought of that... :p

The link will be HERE: ---> http://www.geocities.com/revolutionsstudios/ww.html <---

The map is up there and can be edited as we see fit...
The Ekathoran Republic is located in the Upper Eastern area that is colored dark red. When everyone else calls out their territories I will add the names to them. :D

Do the different territories have different resources and what scale is the map how big is the island ?

Any way I'll have the far west side blue one.

Do the different territories have different resource etc.?

Any way I'll have the far west side blue one.

Resources (I am assuming to maintain balance) are located in each of the terriotries, but this can be changed by popular opinion. I am also (when I add the names of the nations) going to add cities to all the territories, so putting up a list of about 5 city names if you want them. (this way we can have it all in one place)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d166/jtnibbles/Jtnibblesmap.jpg

Sorry the pictures small, but is that ok?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d166/jtnibbles/Jtnibblesmap.jpg

Sorry the pictures small, but is that ok?

Actually... that is painfully small, I cant make out anything on it. :( :confused:

Is there any way you can make that larger?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d166/jtnibbles/Jtnibblesmap1.jpg

I think this one slightly better (it won't let me use a larger one for some reson). Anyway if you can't read it the 5 cities would be;

Westpoint city (capital) on the most westernly point.
Talmho on the north coast
Pysgodoporto on the south coast
Glaswellt inland
New Jacktazea city inland

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d166/jtnibbles/Jtnibblesmap1.jpg

I think this one slightly better (it won't let me use a larger one for some reson). Anyway if you can't read it the 5 cities would be;

Westpoint city (capital) on the most westernly point.
Talmho on the north coast
Pysgodoporto on the south coast
Glaswellt inland
New Jacktazea city inland

Still was hard to see, but I did what I could.

the Updated pic is up there (same link: http://www.geocities.com/revolutionsstudios/ww.html ) and the names of our two nations are in there. Any others who claim any other territory are welcome. I placed the three as Neutral but anyone can take the territories first come first served. This game is NOT a free for all either, alliances and diplomacy are encouraged. :D :cool:

Once we have a few more people interested, I will start the thread titled "The Westport Conflict (Semi-Closed)" or whatever we think the name should be...
:D

</bump> ;)

Well, its official, I just started the thread up, heres the link:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9972506#post9972506

I realize its Thanksgiving week so it may be slow, but I feel its a good time to start up anyway. It also encouarges others to join I would imagine ;) Thanks and as stated above (more times than anyone would care to read) anyone who wants in just post here and I will add to the map and then you can join in at the other thread! Happy Thanksgiving everyone! :D

I'm definitely interested.

Economy Good - 5pts
Population 8 Mil - 1 pt
Bonus Defense main priority (as seen by compuslory military and recent budget increase to military and police force over education and social welfare) - 3pts.
9pts total.

1 fighter group
2 airlift group
1 artillery division
1 regular army division
1 army reserve
2 guerilla groups

Nation is fairly mountainous and foresty, fierce fighters but not necessarily highest quality of arms.
After you assign me a plade on the map and whatnot and i'll be more specific in city and airfield placement.

I'm definitely interested.

Economy Good - 5pts
Population 8 Mil - 1 pt
Bonus Defense main priority (as seen by compuslory military and recent budget increase to military and police force over education and social welfare) - 3pts.
9pts total.

1 fighter group
2 airlift group
1 artillery division
1 regular army division
1 army reserve
2 guerilla groups

Nation is fairly mountainous and foresty, fierce fighters but not necessarily highest quality of arms.
After you assign me a plade on the map and whatnot and i'll be more specific in city and airfield placement.

Well my friend, glad to have you aboard, I will assign you a territory in a just a bit. However, there is a small details to your military at the moment: 1- according to your nation's homepage Defense is not in your priorities (Mine isnt either to be honest) and 2- as stated in the MilCal, nations like you me and Minignu are at the lower ends of the 'tech' ladder.



Levels of Population
#Units - population --- What is available to them
1 - 5-50 million --- Guerilla, Conscripts available
2 – 50-100 million --- Army Division, Army Reserve available
3 – 100-300 million --- Artillery, Navy Reserve, Fighters available
4 – 300-500 million --- Airlift Group, Mechanized Infantry, Amphibious Assault
4 – 500 million-1 billion --- Tank Division, Destroyer Battle Group
4 – 1 billion-2 billion --- Carrier Battle Group, Bombers
4 – 1 billion-3 billion


This means that you and I for instance can only (at the moment) purchase Guerillas and Conscripts. So your going to have to change your military composition for a while... The beauty here is that if you and I last long enough we will be able to get better units. As I said though, glad your aboard and I will put your nation on the map soon enough!:D

Map updated with North Fenris! We still have three territories unclaimed!!! Come get in on the action!!

:eek: :mp5: :D ;)

And if anyone wants to move their capital or place strategic airfields or military bases this is the time to do it! Just post up here where you wish the changes to go. Military airbases and army bases will be represented on the map by a square box and will have all the nessassary things in it to support any unit in your military (except of course naval units). Each nation should be limited to 3(?) military positions in their territory, but these bases should be allowed (like cities) to be taken in war or diplomacy.

If it is still ok, I would like to join. My stats are as follows:

Economy: All-Consuming= 7pts
Population: 3.561 billion= 4pts
Bonus: 100% tax rate= 1pt

Total= 12 pts

Units:
3 Regular Army Divisions = 3pts
1 Tank Division = 3pts
1 Airlift Group = 1pt
1 Bomber Group = 3pts
1 Destroyer Battle Group = 2pts

Total= 12pts

Alright I think that is correct you can check me if you wish. Let me know if I can still get in on this.

Norris Land

If it is still ok, I would like to join. My stats are as follows:

Economy: All-Consuming= 7pts
Population: 3.561 billion= 4pts
Bonus: 100% tax rate= 1pt

Total= 12 pts

Units:
3 Regular Army Divisions = 3pts
1 Tank Division = 3pts
1 Airlift Group = 1pt
1 Bomber Group = 3pts
1 Destroyer Battle Group = 2pts

Total= 12pts

Alright I think that is correct you can check me if you wish. Let me know if I can still get in on this.

Norris Land

You can most certainly get in on this Norris Land, good to have you aboard. I am pretty sure that your pts are good, with your economy/population and all. I set you up in the dark blue territory if you have no objection. I already added you to the map, so go ahead and check her out. Give me some city names and all that jazz and hopefully we will get underway!

i'll play for the sake of having a good rp, my stats are on the second page someplace

i'll play for the sake of having a good rp, my stats are on the second page someplace

Excellent! I placed you in the light blue territory in the southwest, please give me a list of five cities (capital included) so that I can get some names on the map.. (your on there as of now ;) )

Theed = Capital
Anchorhead = Port city
Nebarri City = big city on main land
Kor Vella = city on island
Entha = the last city

Theed = Capital
Anchorhead = Port city
Nebarri City = big city on main land
Kor Vella = city on island
Entha = the last city

Done and done. Your up there now my friend. So far we have:

Ekathora (dark red)
North Fenris (light red)
Norris Land (dark blue)
Minignu (dark green)
Nebarri Prime (light blue/green)
Jtnibbles (light blue)
???????? (gray)

Awesome! We will be underway shortly, in fact if anyone wants to put up some preliminary IC/RP posts go right on ahead, once again heres the link to that: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455393

:D

This milcalc is a solid idea, but a customization(read rulebending) system would be very nice. The thing is, all national armies have flair, they have personality. Boozia for example is very mech-infantry heaavy, at the expense of our tank columns, and a very famous poster shows Alchaholiaswickburg lights leaping from an APC. However, for a playtest this is fine, thus:

Economy: Strong, 5 points.
Population: 318 million, 4 points
Bonus: Priority defense, 100% tax, 4 points

Total: 1s

Military: The Gurstwick mediums (regular infantry)
The Nordwick mediums (mechanised infantry)
The Alchaholiaswickburg lights (regular infantry)
The Halkswick heavies (regular infantry)
The Almagamated Division(reserve infantry)

The Irregulars of the west (guerillas)
The Irregulars of the east (guerillas)

The Amalgamated batteries (artillery)

The Sulstwick sea battlegroup (reserve fleet)
The Halstwick sea battlegroup (reserve fleet)

The airforce (fighter wing)

Cities: Alchaholiaswickburg (capitol)
Gurstwickburg
Nordwickburg
Halkswickburg (island city)
Sulstwickburg (island city)

Note: Stuff beyond this point is just unnecesary descriptives, but I would advise you to read up on any of my armies before attacking it, or you wont know what I'm prattling about.

Each division is made up of eight regiments or batteries.The differant types are:

Infantry

Light infantry: Unarmored, carbine toting and eqipped to deal with forested and urban terrain. Almost nothing that two men can't carry.
Medium infantry: Typical soldiers, light body armor, rifles, general equipment. A few heavy weapons and armored cars (If this is not allowed, just tell me).
Heavy infantry: Tougher armor, more heavy weapons teams and armored cars.
Mech infantry: Boozias speciality and elite. They are deployed in various APCs and IFVs, and have a minimal tank support. The actual soldiers fit the above categries.
General pioneers: Unarmored and armed with low quality carbines. Equipped to lay mine fields and such.
Siege pioneers: Pioneers with a more offensive leaning.
Garrison Pioneers: Pioneers with a more defensive leaning.
Urban guerillas: City brawlers based on a strong local support base and sabotage.
Country guerillas: Village militia based on a strong knowledge of the enviroment and skirmishes.

Gurstwick mediums: 6x medium infantry, 2x general Pioneers
Nordwick mediums: 5x medium mech infantry, 2x light mech infantry, 1x general mech pioneers
Alchaholiaswickburg lights: 6x light infantry, 1x siege pioneers, 1x garrison pioneers
Halstwick heavies: 6x heavy infantry, 1x garrison pioneers, 1x general pioneers
Algamated division: 3x medium infantry, 2x heavy infantry, 2x light infantry,
1x siege pioneers

West guerillas: 7x country guerillas, 1x urban guerillas
East guerillas: 6x urban guerillas, 2x country guerillas

Artillery

Garrison battery: general purpose heavy, slow artillery.
Field battery: general purpose light, mobile artillery.
Siege battery: slow, mega-heavy, logistically taxing bombards. Unsuited for battlefield, intended to crack cities.

Amalgamated batteries: 5x garrison battery (one per city), 2x field battery (attached to Halstwick heavies and Gurswick mediums), 1x siege battery (attached to Alchaholiaswickburg lights).

Aircraft

Interceptor group: Fighters plus command, sensory, and refueling craft designed to guard a defined area from bombers and paratroopers.

Airforce: 5x interceptor group (each attached to a province).

Navy

Frigate: Light ship, boozian design is a jack-of-all-trades AA/ASS/ASU model, sacrificing excellence for versatility.
Destroyer: A larger frigate.
Tanker: Carries fuel and replacement parts to fighting ships.
Boxer: Carries food, clothes, toothepaste, and other crew necesities to fighting ships.

Sulstwick sea battlegroup: 9x frigate, 2x tanker, 3x boxer, 1x destroyer (group flagship).
Halstwick sea battlegroup: 11x frigate, 4x tanker, 6x boxer, 2x destroyer (group and fleet flagships)

Military reform: The Nordwick division has been mechanized, and the seventh defensive operations pioneers of Halstwick have been reformed and retrained as general pioneers.

Ok my cities are as follows:

Capital: St. Norris

Other Cities:
Astoria
Union City
Seaside
Kenningsway

Thank you.

This milcalc is a solid idea, but a customization(read rulebending) system would be very nice. The thing is, all national armies have flair, they have personality. Boozia for example is very mech-infantry heaavy, at the expense of our tank columns, and a very famous poster shows Alchaholiaswickburg lights leaping from an APC. However, for a playtest this is fine, thus:

Economy: Strong, 5 points.
Population: 195 million, 3 points
Bonus: Priority defense, 100% tax, 4 points

Total: 12


Cities: Alchaholiaswickburg (capital)
Gurstwickburg
Nordwickburg
Halkswickburg
Sulstwickburg (island city)

Personality is most certainly in this! :) I figured however that the personality of our military would emerge from the RP portion, whereas this is just the makeup and the 'what we have to work with' part. By all means customize your troops! I will add the new nation and names of cities when I get home tonight. Preliminaries have started on the thread already, so I guess this is off then!!! Excellent indeed!

An interesting question indeed in which I will bring to the democracy of all of us:

Quoting: Nova Boozia

OOC: Do I post our telegraph deiplomatic messages?

And another point - the map has been updated again with new city names! Glad to see that we are underway.. (except there are two nations that need to provide their city names :p :rolleyes: ) Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!! :D


P.S. has anyone heard from Minignu or North Fenris?:confused:

I hate to post after my own post... but seeing as no one seems to want to answer... ;)

I would just like everyone to know that the People's Republic of Ekathora has exceeded the population of 50 million, so therefore we are now entitled to new hardware and supplies. Our new military arms will be effective at the end of a two day mobilization period, where we will be distributing the new arms and training our troops in the new supplies.


Economy: Strong: 5pts
Population: 50mil: 2pts and Army and Reservists
Total: 7 points

So the NEW military forces for the People's Republic of Ekathora:
5 Army Regulars
1 Army Reservists
2 Guerillas

For the glory and peace of Greater Westport!

I have a question about this calculator. I plan to reform my military using it but I have a slight problem. On my nation's page the top agendas read as Education, Law & Order, and Religion & Spirituality, but in my budget (modified from NSEconomy) Defence is the top priority. Do I add the defence bonus?

Sorry for the delay in communication, Thanksgiving break had me seperated from my computer. Sorry again, this time for overlooking the unit limitations based on population. Also my economy fell to reasonable. I will say though defense is the main priority, whenver an issue comes along i choose it over both education, welfare, and taxcuts. It shows a little bit in the profie, why it isnt showing more i cant say.

anyway 7pts.

6 conscripts
8 gurilla units

If everyone still disagrees with the defense bonus points, I'll drop 2 conscripts and 4 gurilla units.

I have a question about this calculator. I plan to reform my military using it but I have a slight problem. On my nation's page the top agendas read as Education, Law & Order, and Religion & Spirituality, but in my budget (modified from NSEconomy) Defence is the top priority. Do I add the defence bonus?

My first response is to say no.

The reason for this is because the main reason I created this MilCal was so that people would not need to rely on NSEconomy for their military needs. Although I like NSEconomy quite a bit (I have it bookmarked for Ekathora :p ) there are many people who dispute the accuracy of the economy calculators and believe (rightly so) that they are based upon less-than-concrete data.

Because those calculators cannot be held 100% accountable, I say that they should -Not- be used with my calculator (unless of course all members of the RP want to use it alongside). I say, use -only- the information that is shown at your nation's NationStates 'homepage'.

For instance, when I had to 'reform my military' in the above post, I realized that on Ekathora's homepage our major industry was no longer arms manufacturing, so I had to change it (so I lost a pt...).

Good luck and I hope you find my MilCal helpful!!!
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Sorry for the delay in communication, Thanksgiving break had me seperated from my computer. Sorry again, this time for overlooking the unit limitations based on population. Also my economy fell to reasonable. I will say though defense is the main priority, whenver an issue comes along i choose it over both education, welfare, and taxcuts. It shows a little bit in the profie, why it isnt showing more i cant say.

anyway 7pts.

6 conscripts
8 gurilla units

If everyone still disagrees with the defense bonus points, I'll drop 2 conscripts and 4 gurilla units.

No, defense is in your top priorities:


The enormous government juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Defence, and Education. The average income tax rate is 34%, but much higher for the wealthy. A large private sector is led by the Pizza Delivery industry, followed by Door-to-door Insurance Sales and Soda Sales.

So its cool, so, with a Reasonable economy (3pts) and a population of 18 million (1pt) adding Defense as a priority (3pts) you have 7 total. And so your totally good! :D Excellent! Well then North Fenris, Ekathora invites you to get in on the IC thread and I extend my hopes that you will have fun! ;)

Capital - Mount Ulver (military base is here, low civilian population)
Northmost City - Iso City
Southern Cities starting from the West - Delport, North Fenris (Contains roughly half the nations civilian population), South Fenris.

Military-
Conscript Divisions - Largely generated by the compulsory military service. There are three divisions each containing 1pt worth of conscrips (I'd say about 40,000 men per division)

Gurilla Units - Former members of the conscript divisions whom have decided the military is the life for them. Veterans and survivalists, but few in number and looselly organized. Each unit contains from 500-1,000 soldiers in its roster.

To Ekathora: Norris Land extends it's congratulations on becoming a stronger world power. For Peace! :-)

To Ekathora: Norris Land extends it's congratulations on becoming a stronger world power. For Peace! :-)

Thank you very much Norris Land. :D Very much appreciated.

By the way: MAP UPDATED! with North Fenris' cities.

P.S. Kattor, if Minignu (who hasent posted or replied to my telegrams) decides to not come on board within the next couple days, do you wish to join in its place? (I hate to give away a territory, but if the nation hasent replied since: 19-11-2005 but apparently: Most Recent Government Activity: 14 hours ago :confused: So... Maybe he has lost interest or something?

I just telegramed him, and I say that he has by friday to take it back, if not please someone else who wants it can get in on it, we are welcome to have you, and honestly this is a good bunch of players...
So if anyone wants his territory (dark green) as long as Minignu doesnt want it, then I think it will be ok for someone else to fill the spot.

Well... I am sorry to say it but I have to give Minignu the boot. He has ignored my telegram and was Active 10 hours ago so I dont see why he should just totally ignore the thread and all my telegrams if he wanted to play... so his territory (dark green) is offically Nuetral.

I am sorry it had to come to this... but I do want there to be an active RP for us...

Anyone who wishes to fill his territory please post here with your military stats (according to the Military Calculator on first page of this thread) and five city names for your territory. Once you have been accepted I will add you into the map and you may post on the IC thread.

Thanks and I look forward to RPing with you!

bump

I really dont mean to be pushy or anything... but number 1: is there any one who wants to get in on this? and 2: of the people already playing... why have only a few of us been posting on the IC thread?

:confused: :(

Hmm this seems like it could be pretty fun, no?

well assuming you allow me to join... here are my points and military stuff.

Economy: Frightening- 8 points
Population: 3 billion+ - 4 points
Bonus points - 5 Arms manufacturing and Defense as top priority.

17 total points

--ARMY--
- Guerilla --- 0
- Conscript--- 0
- Army Reserve--- 0
- Regular Army Division--- 2 (2pnts)
- Artillery Division--- 1 (2pnts)
- Mechanized Infantry--- 1 (2pnts)
- Tank Division--- 1 (3pnts)

--AIRFORCE--
- Fighter Group--- 1 (2pnts)
- Bomber Group--- 1 (3pnts)
- Airlift Group--- 0


--NAVY--
Navy Reserve--- 1 (1pnt)
Destroyer Battle Groups--- 1 (2pnts)

As far as I can tell, as long as you will be active, your in my friend, welcome to the Westport Conflict, I am sure you can find the link to the IC thread (as I dont have it off-hand...) and please post five city names for your territory so that I may erase Minignu and place you in the dark green territory on the map. ;)

Ok easy enough...:)

Dill City- Capital
Angaron
Bonarse
Nabara
Kalinte

Welcome to Westport!

Thank you, and as soon as Ekathora posts my nation into the map and such I will begin posting in the IC thread.

Welcome to the show Jipleastan!!! :D

You are now free to read up on the thread and get into the action!!!

P.S. I was having trouble loading it, but I think if you load the map from the IC thread link (first post) then you will get the picture to load up. Any issues with it please post. But yes, welcome Jipleastan!

The Republic Of Ogletree, located in The Region OF Icarus, would be honored in taking part in your war.

The Chancellor Of Ogletree.

The Republic Of Ogletree, located in The Region OF Icarus, would be honored in taking part in your war.

The Chancellor Of Ogletree.

Well I will tell you what, I have telegramed Nabarri Prime (last active 4 hours ago) to see if they are still interested in this RP (seeing as they have not posted in quite some time) and if they decline to play then you get their position on the map (light blue in southwestern region). :D We'll see.

The Empire of Nebarri_Prime
Received: 2 hours ago
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i'm out of it
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Alright so its official, Ogletree your in, please read ALL the posts in this thread as well as the IC thread so that you know whats going on and what has happened. Also, give me five city names for your territory so that I can add you to the map.;)

Thank you again, I will now get going and start doing my thing on the IC thread.

Hey I'd like to play

My NS Nation- Lylybium
NS Region- Union of Nations

If its even possible to obtain a place i would like to play.

Hey I'd like to play

My NS Nation- Lylybium
NS Region- Union of Nations

If its even possible to obtain a place i would like to play.

Tell you what, Ogletree had dibs, but he hasent posted since. If you pledge that you will be an active participant than I can see awarding you the space on the map. ;) :D

I noticed it, I meant more along the lines of actually drafting a treaty and ending that portion of the conference so it could be enacted once we returned to respective countries.

But I see nova boozia has thrown this all into question.

I am really sorry but something has come up in real life so I am going to have to quit. Sorry.

I am really sorry but something has come up in real life so I am going to have to quit. Sorry.

Unfortunately, RL happens, its ok and dont feel sorry. Besides, we have had little-no major activity in this game anyway... its really just among a few (three or four) of us. :p ;)

I hope everything turns out ok for you Jtnibbles.

WHoooa, I did what now?!

I just finished up finals at college and moved back home so for a couple of days I wasnt able to find time for nation sates.

Can I get a recap, and be told why my Mr. O'Donnell was shot down in my nation without my permission, simple etiquette, and who might in fact be holding him?

WHoooa, I did what now?!

I just finished up finals at college and moved back home so for a couple of days I wasnt able to find time for nation sates.

Can I get a recap, and be told why my Mr. O'Donnell was shot down in my nation without my permission, simple etiquette, and who might in fact be holding him?

I have college finals this week myself, so I feel your pain, and I think that we can all understand. ;) But as the story went: Norris Land's Prime Minister was shot down by unknown evils over your airspace and when you did not respond we had to fear the worst. I assumed it was the same terrorist scum that attacked the Conference of Peace. (which I am sure you heard has been relocated to an underground bunker after that little incident) I will not post my own plans to set foot in North Fenris until I hear what the others have to say about this. ;) After all, my first final is today! :D

Ok, ummm ill wait for the others too to see what i should post, next time there's a terrorist action in my nation could i get an occ heads up though?

Also, economy has boomed and popultaion has gone up so ill be uprgrading soon.

Ok, ummm ill wait for the others too to see what i should post, next time there's a terrorist action in my nation could i get an occ heads up though?

Also, economy has boomed and popultaion has gone up so ill be uprgrading soon.

I will post (hopefully) tommorow, its been finals week so its been brutally busy on campus and I have slacked on my RP, sorry about that. Enjoy the new units and I hope this RP doesnt die at all, esp since it has become more or less between only the four/five of us. :D Like I said, I'll be on it tommorow. ;)

I will post (hopefully) tommorow, its been finals week so its been brutally busy on campus and I have slacked on my RP, sorry about that. Enjoy the new units and I hope this RP doesnt die at all, esp since it has become more or less between only the four/five of us. :D Like I said, I'll be on it tommorow. ;)

WHOOPS! LOL! Posted with my other nation! :rolleyes: How intelligent of me.

Anyway, I will post today, but I think I have a way of solving this whole problem of North Fenris'... if you dont mind I will post something to the effect that there is an attempted coup to overthrow the North Fenris government, which has been out of contact since the coup began and the coup is attempting to hold the Prime Minister hostage as a barter to have it's new government recognized by the international community. I hope that doesnt ruin the surprise but you did say you wanted to know if anything was going on in your country, so there it is. And if you dont care for it just post information otherwise in the IC thread that my sources were false. But I shall go post now. Good day to you all.

I'd be lieing if i said i wasnt a little confused and angry right now. I missed a couple of days and when i asked to be caught up out of character instead I see an assault on one of my cities rped. A city that doesnt have any military presence so why theres snipers pinning people i couldnt say. And all of this percipitated by someone else declaring a terrorist attack within my borders.

I'd be lieing if i said i wasnt a little confused and angry right now. I missed a couple of days and when i asked to be caught up out of character instead I see an assault on one of my cities rped. A city that doesnt have any military presence so why theres snipers pinning people i couldnt say. And all of this percipitated by someone else declaring a terrorist attack within my borders.

I agree, thats why I tired to bail you out with the coup idea... but I say I will wait for Norris Land to say something about this ordeal.

Well, you hadn't posted in awhile and nobody knew where you were or what your situation on the RP was. Assuming you had quit or lost interest, I tried to keep the RP from falling apart and as you can see, I'm not the only one that thought so.

New Military

11pts:

8 guerillas - 4pts
2 conscripts - 1pt
2 Army Divisions - 2pts
2 Fighter Groups - 4pts

will post in the IC thread tomorrow

Well, you hadn't posted in awhile and nobody knew where you were or what your situation on the RP was. Assuming you had quit or lost interest, I tried to keep the RP from falling apart and as you can see, I'm not the only one that thought so.


It's the action of having your leader shot down over my land without consulting me first that I think was in poor manners. If it had not happaned my inability to post wouldnt have ended up being so damning, and if you had consulted me first we could have worked out something agreeable as to why it happaned in the first place. What you did after seems reasonable given the situation, but please see it from my point of view as well.

Air Force Group One - 120 Sukhoi Su-27 Fighters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27, divided into 10 sqaudrons of 12 plains, sub-divided into 3 wings of four fightes per squadron.

Air Force Group Two - Same as above.

Infintry Division One - one point worth of conscripts, roughly 40,000 men. Well Disciplined this comprises of those assigned by the compulsory military service. They are not heavily armed or armored.

Infintry Division Two - regular army, roughly 80,000 men. Formerly a Conscript Division this unit has been heavily re-supplied and re-trained with large amounts of volunteers increasing it numbers.

Infintry Division Three - regular army, roughly 50,000 men. This division is also a re-furbished Conscript Division, only it had the disadvantage of being deployed while undergoing its overhaul. The troops are as well equiped but not as sodden with recruits, and still slightly inexperienced with the new supplies.

The eight guerilla units are still the hardened veterans of the army filled with career military. Numbering 1,000 - 2,000 men per group. Loosley organized each individual is a hardened survivalist. The groupd have 'clever' names like the Hell Hounds, Dirty Guns, Coyotes, and the Keepers of the Temple of the Sons (Kottots).

I understand why you are upset about it, but I posted what i did to keep the RP going and didn't know if you were coming back or not. However I do apologize and hope we can continue this RP.

Hey everybody, just what is the unclaimed western area. A third warlord domain, perhaps?

Now, Ekathora, just who's side are you taking, anyway?

The other territories were SUPPOSED to be inhabited by other leaders and nations that would create a larger RP, however that was not fully panned out.

As far as the taking sides I have been on vacation (which I stated in my last post) and if I were to post anything now it would be short and crappy as I am having a blast w/my girlfriend and would not be able to make a post that is worthy of reading, so I would rather post-pone my addition to this conflict until I return (25th of December). I am terribly sorry for the dely in my posts but it is the Holiday/Vacation season and I am away, in fact I only briefly was able to write this very post here to tell you all my situation before we go see a movie so I cant even read what has been writen by all of you.

I hope this RP continues as I have had alot of fun with it, and I would like to see it through to the end. I will read and post once I return to my trusty computer back home. Thanks all and happy holidays/vacation. ;) :D