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F-150 "Ebonhawk" Advanced Fighter-Bomber

Halberdgardia
18-11-2005, 00:58
F-150 "Ebonhawk" Advanced Fighter-Bomber

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[Abstract]

With the advent of new fighter concepts such as Civitas Americae's new "missile-spamming" bomber-escort craft, the Tu-161 "Black Widow," the Halberdgardian Air Force realized that, despite being a capable force with access to some of the most advanced aircraft available, even its best strike fighters could not come close to matching the payload of the Tu-161. Realizing that other nations might seek to capitalize on this new concept of "cramming" massive loads of ordnance into new aircraft designs, the Halberdgardian Department of Defense saw the need to beat those other powers to the punch. After tentative discussions with Sarzonian aerospace engineers at the newly-consolidated Portland Iron Works, it was decided that the two nations would cooperate on a joint project to develop an advanced fighter-bomber that incorporated some of the best Sarzonian technology available, as well as some of the best technology of all the aircraft fielded by the Halberdgardian Air Force. The result was the F-150 "Ebonhawk," planned to be fielded by both nations' air forces.

[Airframe]

With both Halberdgardian and Sarzonian forces having clashed with the highly-capable Doomingslandian air force in the past, both sides sought to incorporate their knowledge of the aforementioned foe into design elements for the Ebonhawk. As such, the Ebonhawk's airframe is a switchblade design, allowing the pilot to switch between forward-swept wings for optimal maneuverability in dogfight scenarios, and a swept-back configuration for optimal stability when engaging ground targets. The Ebonhawk's computer oversees the stability of the craft, especially when in forward-swept wing configuration, by making rapid adjustments to the canards and other control mechanisms.

The airframe itself is composed of two elements: a ten-millimeter layer of Kevlar to stop small arms fire, with a fifteen-millimeter layer of aluminum-titanium alloy underneath the Kevlar provide additional strength. The aircraft's stealthy qualities are enhanced by judicious use of Brewster's Angle construction throughout the airframe. To further increase the Ebonhawk's stealthiness, the designers emulated one of the design features found on the Tyrandis TSF-616 "Eidolon" fighter; the canopy is manufactured of an advanced polycarbonate, backed by a rubber insulation layer and a thin strip of an indium-tin alloy. Traditionally, the cockpit has been the most problematic area for advanced stealth designers; because RADAR waves passes through the canopy as if it were transparent, an especially strong signal will bounce back to its receiver because any aircraft interior contains angles and shape that generate a substantial return. The InSn coating allows over 98.5% of visible light to pass through to the pilot, but will appear on RADAR as a semi-metallic surface, thus further reducing the Ebonhawk's already small radar cross-section.* However, the Ebonhawk's stealth qualities are estimated to be enhanced tenfold by the use of a special material** over the layer of Kevlar. The material is still highly classified, but is said to further reduce RADAR signature by fifty percent, as well as preventing visual acquisition at long range. This makes the Ebonhawk an estimated five to ten times as stealthy as the F-117/A Nighthawk, thus making the Ebonhawk one of the stealthiest craft in use by the Halberdgardian Air Force to date.

[Propulsion]

Several designs were considered for the engines of the Ebonhawk, but the number of myriad designs was drastically reduced when supersonic velocities became a design requirement. Initially, it was decided that the Ebonhawk would be powered by two pulse-detonation engines. However, when it was realized that the massive infrared signature produced by the pulse-detontation process would negate any attempt at stealth, the design was taken back to the drawing board. Eventually, however, Tylon Aerospace Industries proposed a new ramfan design, dubbed the Union-281-2005, that would maintain the thrust of the original engines without the massive infrared signature. This design was accepted, and so the Ebonhawk is powered by two Union-281-2005 ramfan engines, fitted with heat suppressors to drastically reduce infrared signature, for a combined thrust of one hundred thirty thousand pounds.

[Flight Control and Electronics]

The Ebonhawk features an advanced Fly-by-Optics control system for enhanced response time, better control, and increased reliability.

The Ebonhawk Advanced RADAR Tracking System (EARTS), an upgraded AN/APG-77 AESA RADAR unit, serves as the main component of the Ebonhawk's sensor suite, with a range of three hundred twenty kilometers. Additionally, the EARTS contains a module similar to the one employed by Tylon Aerospace Industries' new SUF-5 Lion; this module cycles through a wide range of frequencies twice a second, so as to prevent the EARTS from being jammed. An APG-100 Advanced Long Range Millimetric Wave Radar is utilized for for air-to-ground detection. The EARTS is also augmented by a LIDAR/LADAR suite, with a range of thirty and seventy kilometers, respectively, complemented by an APG-120 Advanced LIDAR/LADAR Receiver. Finally, an IRTS-1 Infrared Scanning System rounds out the electronics package.

The Ebonhawk fields multiple Sarzonian avionics technologies. Chief among these is the AHDS-1 Helmet-Mounted HUD System, which allows for the pilots of the aircraft to simply look at the target to achieve a lock. When the AHDS-1 is used in conjunction with an advanced new voice-command system, the pilot has unparalleled capabilities when receiving, integrating, and utilizing in-flight information to his best advantage. The aircraft’s superb sensor suite allows for up to one hundred twenty enemy aircraft to be tracked at any given time via a SCS-1 Mobile Super Computer System, which gives the aircraft nearly-unmatched processing power, and for eight of them to be targeted and engaged simultaneously at ranges exceeding eighty miles. When used in conjunction with an AWACS aircraft, the Ebonhawk becomes even more lethal. This allows for the aircraft to effectively engage and destroy hostile aircraft at ranges limited only by the missiles carried in her bays, and can do this without switching on the EARTS, as to prevent RADAR-seeking equipment from picking up on the emissions generated by the aircraft.***

Finally, to augment the craft's deadliness when compared with the Tu-161 "Black Widow," a system similar to the Tu-161's Inter-/Intra-Flight Data Link, dubbed the Ebonhawk Data Distribution System (EDDS), was incorporated into the design. Utilizing a system with 4096-bit encryption, analogous to a far more secure version of commercial Wi-Fi, the EDDS can securely broadcast targeting, flight, RADAR, and LIDAR/LADAR data to other aircraft within a ten-mile radius. The EDDS is augmented by a line-of-sight laser communication system that serves as an alternative to the wireless system.

[Armament]

Despite the other advanced features of the Ebonhawk, the armament is perhaps the most fearsome of all the aircraft's components. Two internal weapon bays house the Ebonhawk's ordnance, and each bay is capable of holding up to thirty-six air-to-air missiles or air-to-ground missiles (short-, medium-, long-, or extreme-long-range) on a rotary launcher. The launcher is modular not only in that it can hold Sarzonian AAM/ATGM equivalents as well as any other ordnance of similar dimensions, but can be removed entirely, and instead replaced with eight internal hardpoints for dedicated air-to-surface munitions, or one Massive Ordnance Air Burst (MOAB) weapon (or similarly-sized equivalent). Each hardpoint is capable of holding one two-thousand-pound bomb, for a dedicated-bomber configuration capable of carrying thirty-two thousand pounds of ordnance. Optionally, at the cost of stealthiness, each wing can be fitted with four hardpoints, each capable of holding one standard one-thousand-pound bomb, or similarly-sized equivalent, bringing the Ebonhawk's dedicated-bomber configuration's maximum payload to forty-thousand pounds of ordnance. The hardpoints are also capable of carrying extra fuel tanks or jamming modules.

Additionally, one 32mm ETC cannon, much like the one mounted in some of the most recently-produced Sarzonian aircraft, is mounted internally in the nose of the aircraft. Borrowing a stealth-enhancing design from the SZ-19 "Predator" interceptor aircraft, the cannon is covered by a small hatch when not firing, to prevent radar detection. The cannon can fire high-explosive or armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot rounds for ground attack roles, in addition to regular rounds.

The Ebonhawk is also fitted with an electronic-warfare suite, composed of a radar-jamming module (calibrated so as not to impede on the frequencies in use by the Ebonhawk itself), a communications-jamming module, and a limited PSYOPS-broadcast capability. The electronic-warfare suite has a range of approximately one hundred fifty kilometers.

Finally, to round out the countermeasures suite, the Ebonhawk is fitted with chaff and flares. A new flare design increases threat-elimination rates by utilizing a multi-stage burst design, whereby three charges are mounted on one flare. When the flare is fired, the first charge explodes, confusing the missile. One second later, the second charge goes off, further deceiving the missile, with the third and final charge fully diverting the missile away from the aircraft and towards the massive infrared signature of the flare.

[F-150A/S "Strikehawk"]

A dedicated air superiority variant of the Ebonhawk, designated the F-150A/S "Strikehawk," has also been designed. The F-150A/S features many of the same elements as the Ebonhawk, but is smaller and lighter. This was accomplished by reducing the payload from two weapons bays to one. The "Strikehawk" retains the Ebonhawk's rotary launcher and optional wing-mounted hardpoints, but the rotary launcher cannot be removed in favor of hardpoints. However, it is still capable of mounting ATGMs, making it capable of serving as a strike fighter in a pinch.

[Export]

The domestic versions of the Ebonhawk and Strikehawk as described above will not be offered for sale. However, an export version of both aircraft has been designed. The chief difference between the two versions is that the specialized stealth-enhancing material used on the domestic version's airframe is not present in the export version, and has instead been replaced with radar-absorbing material.

Additionally, sales of both models have been limited to twenty-five units per customer (except close allies); that is, up to a maximum of fifty aircraft may be purchased by any one nation. Production rights will not be sold under any circumstances.

F-150 "Ebonhawk" Specifications -- Domestic Version

Length: 40 m
Wingspan: 34 m
Height: 7 m
Propulsion: 2 x Tylon Aerospace Industries Union-281-2005 ramfan engines (130,000 lbs maximum thrust)
Empty Weight: 40,000 kg
Maximum Weight: 75,000 kg
Normal Payload: 13,500 kg
Range: 7,500 km without refueling; limited only by crew endurance with in-air refueling
Maximum Payload: 40,000 lbs. (dedicated-bomber configuration with optional eight wing-mounted hardpoints)
Supercruise: Mach 2
Maximum Speed: Mach 3
Maximum Altitude: 40,000 m
Crew: Two
Price: $175 million

F-150A/S "Strikehawk" Specifications -- Domestic Version

Length: 28 m
Wingspan: 26 m
Height: 6 m
Propulsion: 2 x Tylon Aerospace Industries Union-281-2005 ramfan engines (130,000 lbs maximum thrust)
Empty Weight: 25,000 kg
Maximum Weight: 60,000 kg
Normal Payload: 6,750 kg
Range: 7,500 km without refueling; limited only by crew endurance with in-air refueling
Maximum Payload: 20,000 lbs. (with optional eight wing-mounted hardpoints)
Supercruise: Mach 2.3
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.2
Maximum Altitude: 40,000 m
Crew: One
Price: $175 million

* [OOC: The text regarding the canopy was taken from Tyrandis' write-up for his TSF-616 "Eidolon." (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9449160&postcount=22)]
** [OOC: The "special material" on the airframe is the ErininArms Shapeshifter Skin-1, as detailed here (http://s7.invisionfree.com/AoH_Official_Board/index.php?showtopic=89).]
*** [OOC: The text about the AHDS-1 and the SCS-1 was taken from Sarzonia's write-up for the SZ-19 "Predator" interceptor from Avalon Aerospace Corporation (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365142).]
Templa
18-11-2005, 02:41
The Templar Military Wishes to purchase twenty-five of each for a grand total of $8.75 billion.
Mirkana
18-11-2005, 03:18
Mirkana would like to buy about 40 Ebonhawks for a grand total of $7 billion.
Halberdgardia
18-11-2005, 05:39
[OOC: Templa, Mirkana, I've seen both your orders, and I'll ICly confirm them tomorrow. I apologize for the wait, but I can't write up an IC post right now. I'll make up for it by waiving the one-NS-year construction time for both your orders when I post tomorrow. Also, consider this a BUMP before I go to bed.]
Halberdgardia
22-11-2005, 00:33
[OOC: Sorry for the wait, you two; my Internet's been down as of late. I'll waive the construction and shipping time for both your orders for making you wait, so just assume you've already got them. Also, a good old BUMP for any other prospective customers.]

To: Templa

Your order for twenty-five Ebonhawks and twenty-five Strikehawks has been confirmed, and we are shipping. We thank you for your business, and hope you look to Consolidated Arms, Inc. in the future for your military needs.

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board

To: Mirkana

Your order for twenty-five Ebonhawks and fifteen Strikehawks has been confirmed [OOC: I changed the order, since you can only order twenty-five of either aircraft, but the price is still the same], and we are shipping. We thank you for your business, and hope you look to Consolidated Arms, Inc. in the future for your military needs.

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board
Halberdgardia
23-11-2005, 00:10
[OOC: Let's give this another BUMP and see if anyone else bites.]
Khodros
23-11-2005, 00:28
The Khodrozi Defense Faction would like to purchase 35 Ebonhawks for $6.125 billion.
Halberdgardia
23-11-2005, 00:42
To: The Khodrosi Defense Faction

We regret to inform you that your order for thirty-five Ebonhawks has been denied, for two reasons. Firstly, there is a limit of twenty-five units of either aircraft per nation. Secondly, and more importantly, a background check of your nation (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=khodros) reveals that there is no money allocated to defense to accommodate this order. If you are able to provide proof of the funds [OOC: i.e., if someone provided you with money for defense, please show me the link to the thread/post] necessary for this purchase, then we would be happy to fulfill an order for twenty-five Ebonhawks.

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board

[OOC: Mirkana, I just realized I made a mistake in your order. The limit I've placed on export orders means you can't buy 40 Ebonhawks; you can only buy a maximum of 25 of either aircraft. So, to make things easy, just assume you have 25 Ebonhawks and 15 Strikehawks. I've edited my original confirmation post to reflect the change.]
Khodros
23-11-2005, 01:04
Yes, our defense budget was recently slashed from its previous level of 9%. The Defense Faction is currently operating on reserve funds until lobbyists succeed in getting our budget reinstated. If a loan is not possible then we will hold off on this purchase until that date.


OOC: You're right, I just checked :headbang:
Leafanistan
23-11-2005, 01:45
Encrypted Channel

While your sales are limited, we can only purchase a few, and no production rights its highly restricting. Therefore we are willing to purchase production rights (up to $750 billion) and we offer the plans to our Bumblebee-class VTOL carrier and its compliment of UCH-1 Green-eyed UltraCobras. They are extremely powerful and the modified Cobras use 2 coaxial rotors and no tail rotor to maximize the Green Eye system aboard the Cobra for maximum manuverability. In tests to avoid 20mm CIWS fire we had Green-eyes doing flips and rotating along their longitudinal axis to confuse enemy systems. They all sank the SuperRiver-class Frigates that were pitted against them. They will prove a formidable weapon in the right hands. And knowledge of our "Eye" system will make developing your own autonomous aircraft extremely effective.

[END]
Halberdgardia
23-11-2005, 03:18
<<snip>>

[OOC: Since you qualify as a close ally, there's no purchase restrictions for you; you can buy as many as you want. I'll let you consider that before I decide on your offer, in case you change your mind.]
Migdalia
23-11-2005, 03:24
The Royal Air Force Of Migdalia would like to purchase 50 of this new EbonFighters for a grand total of 8.75 millions
[NS]Kreynoria
23-11-2005, 03:26
Hey, no offense, this is a great design, but the "Ebon Hawk" is already a SW ship name. You just seem really un-original when you use existing names. Surely you could come up with a better name?
Southeastasia
23-11-2005, 09:25
He's an SW fan, see his NS wiki user talk page and his nation's reference thread. He obviously named it in homage of that ship. :rolleyes:
Halberdgardia
23-11-2005, 18:42
The Royal Air Force Of Migdalia would like to purchase 50 of this new EbonFighters for a grand total of 8.75 millions

To: The Royal Air Force of Migdalia

Your order for twenty-five Ebonhawks and twenty-five Strikehawks has been confirmed for the price of $8.75 billion. Construction will take approximately 6 NS months, and we will ship as soon as payment is wired. We thank you for choosing Consolidated Arms, Inc., and hope you return to us in the future for more of your military needs!

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board

Kreynoria"]Hey, no offense, this is a great design, but the "Ebon Hawk" is already a SW ship name. You just seem really un-original when you use existing names. Surely you could come up with a better name?

[OOC: If it's such a great design, then why don't you buy some?:p Seriously, though, I realize that the Ebon Hawk is the ship from KOTOR & KOTOR 2 (both of which I own and enjoyed), but I was looking for a name involving "-hawk," and the damn U.S. military already took "Nighthawk" and "Blackhawk," both of which I still use in my military, albeit not too often. Hence, "Ebonhawk," since it is similar to "Blackhawk" without actually being it.]
Thergo
23-11-2005, 18:56
The Commonwealth of Thergo would be interested in buying 2 Strikehawks and 2 Ebonhawk at the price of 1 billion Thergonese Pounds [500 Million USD]
Halberdgardia
25-11-2005, 23:55
[OOC: Apologies for the delay. We'll consider this a joint confirmation/BUMP post.]

To: The Commonwealth of Thergo

We are pleased to confirm your order for two Ebonhawks and two Strikehawks, for the price of $700,000,000. Construction of these craft will be complete in one and one half NS months, and we will ship as soon as we receive the requisite funds. We thank you for choosing Consolidated Arms, Inc., and hope you return to us in the future for more of your military needs.

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board
Leafanistan
26-11-2005, 03:39
OOC: Sorry for being the jerk here, but last time I remember the ramfan around I think it was a ram jet that uses a fan to compress the incoming air. Which is just a normal jet engine isn't it?
Halberdgardia
26-11-2005, 04:04
OOC: Sorry for being the jerk here, but last time I remember the ramfan around I think it was a ram jet that uses a fan to compress the incoming air. Which is just a normal jet engine isn't it?

[OOC: You're not being a jerk. Hey, I stole it from Space Union, man. Ask him.:p

He made a thread explaining the concept some time back, but I can't find it. Perhaps if you ran a search? Anyways, did you see my response to your query?]
Halberdgardia
02-12-2005, 22:41
[OOC: Let's give this another BUMP and see what happens, shall we?]
Asgarnieu
02-12-2005, 23:38
1217 Armory Way
Balkan City, 85546-6245
Druid Province, Armed Holy Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu



TO: Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board
FROM: Military Armament Company, Inc.
SUBJECT: Possible Copyright Infringment/Cease-And-Desist


To whom it may concern:


The F-150 'Ebonhawk' Advanced Fighter-Bomber is a fine aircraft, but it is infringing on a copyrighted aircraft: The F/B-150C/E Fighter/Bomber (C). The aircraft is produced by us, and has been in production for over 5 months. We ask that you change the name of the subject aircraft, The F-150 'Ebonhawk', or you cease-and-desist. If you would like to contact our attorneys, it is possible by contacting MAC. We are sorry for any inconviences this may cause.


Respectfully,

Jonathan T. Barnes
C.E.O. of Military Armament Company, Inc.
Flightopia
03-12-2005, 01:10
Hello and good day. As you may or may not know Alldredge Weapon Systems Inc. had just released the F/A-35 Talon. Now as allies the Flightopian government sent you specs on the new craft before we made it public and would give a 25% discount on purchase or production rights. Now your craft looks exactly like ours, EXACTELY! Now we find it an odd occurrence that you didn’t return our message and released a craft with systems, specs, and an airframe exactly like ours. Please explain this as we very pissed off at the corporate HQ. The CEO just threw his chair out an 85th story window. Again, please explain. Also the Flightopian govenemnt has said that untill you explain our two nations are no longer allies.
We will release the dogs of war (Lawers). Please don't make us.

Tim Alldredge
CFO of Alldredge Weapon Systems Inc.

OCC: Also, an ENTIRE aircraft is built around a 30mm gun (the A-10) and to say that you can have a 32mm gun and two bays with a total of 36 weapons each is like a god mod, even if they are small Air-to-air missiles, I would say use a 20mm cannon, and one bay that con hold 8 or 9 weapons. Sorry, but look at the photos, 36 weapons could not fit inside that, only in like a B-25.
Velkya
03-12-2005, 01:20
OOC: The A-10 is a 20 year-old (maybe more) design. Nationstates MT goes to 40 years more than that. 20mm cannons are useless in NS, only 30mm and above are the way to go.

Just because the picture doesn't look like it could hold 36 missiles doesn't mean it can't. Look's aren't everything.

IC: The Velkyan Air Force would like to enquire if it may purchase 50 Strikehawks instead of 25 Ebon's and 25 Strike's. The AUAF is looking for a replacement to it's aging Halbered attack craft, and your aircraft looks promising.
Space Union
03-12-2005, 01:24
Uh, you can't copyright aircraft designations. He can keep his name legally.
Space Union
03-12-2005, 01:25
Hello and good day. As you may or may not know Alldredge Weapon Systems Inc. had just released the F/A-35 Talon. Now as allies the Flightopian government sent you specs on the new craft before we made it public and would give a 25% discount on purchase or production rights. Now your craft looks exactly like ours, EXACTELY! Now we find it an odd occurrence that you didn’t return our message and released a craft with systems, specs, and an airframe exactly like ours. Please explain this as we very pissed off at the corporate HQ. The CEO just threw his chair out an 85th story window. Again, please explain. Also the Flightopian govenemnt has said that untill you explain our two nations are no longer allies.
We will release the dogs of war (Lawers). Please don't make us.

Tim Alldredge
CFO of Alldredge Weapon Systems Inc.

OCC: Also, an ENTIRE aircraft is built around a 30mm gun (the A-10) and to say that you can have a 32mm gun and two bays with a total of 36 weapons each is like a god mod, even if they are small Air-to-air missiles, I would say use a 20mm cannon, and one bay that con hold 8 or 9 weapons. Sorry, but look at the photos, 36 weapons could not fit inside that, only in like a B-25.

That really depends on what cannon-type. If it is a 30mm Gatlin Gun, yes it is impossible to put it in here without major reductions. But if its 30mm autocannon, then its fine.
Flightopia
03-12-2005, 01:27
OOC: The A-10 is a 20 year-old (maybe more) design. Nationstates MT goes to 40 years more than that. 20mm cannons are useless in NS, only 30mm and above are the way to go.

Just because the picture doesn't look like it could hold 36 missiles doesn't mean it can't. Look's aren't everything.

IC: The Velkyan Air Force would like to enquire if it may purchase 50 Strikehawks instead of 25 Ebon's and 25 Strike's. The AUAF is looking for a replacement to it's aging Halbered attack craft, and your aircraft looks promising.

OCC: But, if it is PMT then ok, but with MT it is just too much to hold inside a plane olny that big, the outside stuff is fine, but he said 36 a BAY, and there are two of them, no aircrat that size can hold it if you look at the size specs.But the point i'm trying to make is that his design is way too simaler to mine conidering as an ally I gave him specs before I made it public. Then the comes out with this "new" plane. I'm just not happy that my specs might have been stolen
Skibereen
03-12-2005, 01:32
TEMUJINN

The nation of Skibereen which is currently in the process of rebuilding its military wishes to contribute 1,000,000,000- to the potential future construction of a possible order.

This good faith payment is made for the express purpose of establishing a comfortable relationship between new seler and new customer.
Space Union
03-12-2005, 01:39
OCC: But, if it is PMT then ok, but with MT it is just too much to hold inside a plane olny that big, the outside stuff is fine, but he said 36 a BAY, and there are two of them, no aircrat that size can hold it if you look at the size specs.But the point i'm trying to make is that his design is way too simaler to mine conidering as an ally I gave him specs before I made it public. Then the comes out with this "new" plane. I'm just not happy that my specs might have been stolen

Uh, his aircraft came out way before yours. If you can give me a date on which you transfered the specs, then I can say if he did or did not steal, but he worked with Sarzonia on this, so I doubt he could've stole it. Also Hal is a good person, he wouldn't do that. He might have based it on yours, but its not the same.
Sarzonia
03-12-2005, 01:43
OCC: But, if it is PMT then ok, but with MT it is just too much to hold inside a plane olny that big, the outside stuff is fine, but he said 36 a BAY, and there are two of them, no aircrat that size can hold it if you look at the size specs.But the point i'm trying to make is that his design is way too simaler to mine conidering as an ally I gave him specs before I made it public. Then the comes out with this "new" plane. I'm just not happy that my specs might have been stolenOOC: As Space Union said, I worked with Halberdgardia on this design and to my knowledge, he didn't copy your design. In fact, the design that led him to start this one was by another player.

If someone sees a design and then creates their answer to it with different specs and mentions the IC inspirations behind it, that's fine. Isselmere's created a few designs that have inspired my work, but I usually mention where I got the information, such as when I designed the Tyr, which I based on two of his designs.
Flightopia
03-12-2005, 01:52
If that is the case then ok, but about a day or so before I released my plane I gave him the specs, it is just very odd, I overeacted and I'm sorry but after working hard and then seing something, but you are right I was before mine, I was unaware of designs before mine and then I saw this thread, sorry. Bad day + odd coincidences= Me freeking out in a bad mood. School and work make me testy so again I'm sorry.
Halberdgardia
03-12-2005, 05:21
1217 Armory Way
Balkan City, 85546-6245
Druid Province, Armed Holy Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu



TO: Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board
FROM: Military Armament Company, Inc.
SUBJECT: Possible Copyright Infringment/Cease-And-Desist


To whom it may concern:


The F-150 'Ebonhawk' Advanced Fighter-Bomber is a fine aircraft, but it is infringing on a copyrighted aircraft: The F/B-150C/E Fighter/Bomber (C). The aircraft is produced by us, and has been in production for over 5 months. We ask that you change the name of the subject aircraft, The F-150 'Ebonhawk', or you cease-and-desist. If you would like to contact our attorneys, it is possible by contacting MAC. We are sorry for any inconviences this may cause.


Respectfully,

Jonathan T. Barnes
C.E.O. of Military Armament Company, Inc.

[OOC: I don't think you can copyright aircraft designations; it's just confusing to have aircraft of similar designations. And even if copyrights somehow do apply, the inclusion of the /B, /C, and /E should be enough to avoid copyright infringement; the makers of GoreTex aren't going to sue compeititors for copyright infringement for, say, using the -Tex suffix in their GoreTex-equivalent substance.]

Hello and good day. As you may or may not know Alldredge Weapon Systems Inc. had just released the F/A-35 Talon. Now as allies the Flightopian government sent you specs on the new craft before we made it public and would give a 25% discount on purchase or production rights. Now your craft looks exactly like ours, EXACTELY! Now we find it an odd occurrence that you didn’t return our message and released a craft with systems, specs, and an airframe exactly like ours. Please explain this as we very pissed off at the corporate HQ. The CEO just threw his chair out an 85th story window. Again, please explain. Also the Flightopian govenemnt has said that untill you explain our two nations are no longer allies.
We will release the dogs of war (Lawers). Please don't make us.

Tim Alldredge
CFO of Alldredge Weapon Systems Inc.

OCC: Also, an ENTIRE aircraft is built around a 30mm gun (the A-10) and to say that you can have a 32mm gun and two bays with a total of 36 weapons each is like a god mod, even if they are small Air-to-air missiles, I would say use a 20mm cannon, and one bay that con hold 8 or 9 weapons. Sorry, but look at the photos, 36 weapons could not fit inside that, only in like a B-25.

[OOC: To address your OOC comments on the design, I posted this on the NS Draftroom well in advance of your posting of your design, on Nov. 15th. You, on the other hand, posted your design yesterday, on Dec. 1st. If anything, it looks more like you "stole" my aircraft concept more than I did yours. You even used pictures of the same aircraft for your design, including the exact same carrier picture featured in my design. I wouldn't have minded were it a reasonably different concept, but the similarity is rather striking. But now that we've seemed to have resolved this situation, no hard feelings.]

OOC: The A-10 is a 20 year-old (maybe more) design. Nationstates MT goes to 40 years more than that. 20mm cannons are useless in NS, only 30mm and above are the way to go.

Just because the picture doesn't look like it could hold 36 missiles doesn't mean it can't. Look's aren't everything.

[OOC: That's essentially what I was going to say, thank you.]

IC: The Velkyan Air Force would like to enquire if it may purchase 50 Strikehawks instead of 25 Ebon's and 25 Strike's. The AUAF is looking for a replacement to it's aging Halbered attack craft, and your aircraft looks promising.

To: The Allied States of Velkya

As Velkya is indeed a Halberdgardian ally (albeit one whom the Halberdgardian government has not contacted in quite some time), your order for fifty Strikehawks is perfectly within your bounds, and so, consequently, your order has been approved. Construction will take approximately one (NS) year, and we will ship upon receipt of the $8,750,000,000 owed. We thank you for choosing Consolidated Arms, Inc., and hope you return to us in the future for more of your military needs.

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board

The nation of Skibereen which is currently in the process of rebuilding its military wishes to contribute 1,000,000,000- to the potential future construction of a possible order.

This good faith payment is made for the express purpose of establishing a comfortable relationship between new seler and new customer.

To: Skibereen

We thank you for generous donation of $1,000,000,000, but we are unsure as to exactly what this entails. A clarification of your intent would be most appreciated. We look forward to hearing back from you on a possible order, and hope you return to choose the F-150 and F-150A/S to proudly serve in your nation's air force.

Respectfully,
Consolidated Arms, Inc. Board

OOC: As Space Union said, I worked with Halberdgardia on this design and to my knowledge, he didn't copy your design. In fact, the design that led him to start this one was by another player.

If someone sees a design and then creates their answer to it with different specs and mentions the IC inspirations behind it, that's fine. Isselmere's created a few designs that have inspired my work, but I usually mention where I got the information, such as when I designed the Tyr, which I based on two of his designs.

[OOC: No, his TG reached me long after I had posted this here on II, let alone on the NS Draftroom. If there are any similarities between the two aircraft, it is probably (but maybe not) Flightopia taking inspiration from this aircraft, which is fine, so long as he mentions that this craft was the inspiration in his write-up -- giving credit where credit is due, so to speak.

On another note, Sarz, are you actually going to roll this out in your military or on Avalon?]

If that is the case then ok, but about a day or so before I released my plane I gave him the specs, it is just very odd, I overeacted and I'm sorry but after working hard and then seing something, but you are right I was before mine, I was unaware of designs before mine and then I saw this thread, sorry. Bad day + odd coincidences= Me freeking out in a bad mood. School and work make me testy so again I'm sorry.

[OOC: Hey, everyone makes mistakes. It was just a misunderstanding, is all. No hard feelings.]
Halberdgardia
04-12-2005, 03:09
[OOC: Another BUMP for sales.]
Southeastasia
05-12-2005, 11:12
OOC: Hal, outta curiousity, do you have an embassy exchange thread? (yes, I know we have exchanged embassies)
Halberdgardia
10-12-2005, 19:00
[OOC: SEA, to answer your question, no, I do not. I prefer to form alliances, and then assume to exchange embassies, because I'm semi-lazy like that. Also, another BUMP for sales, because I'm hoping that this won't be a total sales failure despite it being my first design.]
Leafanistan
10-12-2005, 20:32
After intense review by the Leafanistan Parliamentary Sub-Commision on Air-Force appropriations and the Leafanistani Coalition of Arms Manufacturers we have decided that at this moment, we have no need to upgrade to such a fine aircraft and should continue our own domestic project. We thank you for providing such a gracious offer to us and we'll continue the transfer of the full plans for our "spamming" VTOL carrier.
Southeastasia
14-12-2005, 13:46
[OOC: SEA, to answer your question, no, I do not. I prefer to form alliances, and then assume to exchange embassies, because I'm semi-lazy like that. Also, another BUMP for sales, because I'm hoping that this won't be a total sales failure despite it being my first design.]
Thanks. BTW, forgot to add me to your factbook as a 'Friendly Nation', and your ambassador to Southeast Asia.
Southeastasia
28-12-2005, 15:44
bump
Southeastasia
30-12-2005, 03:33
*bump*
McKagan
16-02-2006, 03:18
[Encrypted Satellite Message]

To: Consolidated Arms
From: Imperial McKagan Air Force
Subject: Purchasing a Superior Plane

Over the last few years the IMAF has gone through a great change. We went from a small defense force of localized interceptors to a massive entity that flys across the world to deliver ordnance to anyone who challenges McKagan power or policy. Missile spamming, although crude and almost always ineffective (at least on ones economy) is a main IMAF weapon. We use it a bit better than everyone else, however. The day this design was released we began evaluating it. We then engaged, with our current arms, several other forces. Our designs were adequate so purchasing your design was not a priority. Now that the IMAF is upscaling, we decided it was finally time to do so. We would like to purchase 10,000 of each variant. This is a massive order, but all the while, the funds are there. This is not a rush order, so please take your time in production and do not let quality slip - we know that isn't an issue, however.

3.5 Trillion USD
Halberdgardia
16-02-2006, 04:27
Encrypted Reply

To: Imperial McKagan Air Force
From: Derek Reisner, Chief Executive Officer, Consolidated Arms, Inc.
Re: Your Purchase

I was so surprised by such a massive order from our esteemed friends in McKagan that I felt obliged to personally respond. I am grateful that you have deemed our debut product to be one of superior quality, and I am honored that you have chosen to make it a linchpin of your forces.

Your order is confirmed, of course, and we have begun the manufacture of the 20,000 aircraft. It will tie up a significant amount of our production capabilities, and so we anticipate that you will receive the final aircraft within ten years, though we believe that we will be able to shorten this final deadline as soon as we finalize a deal with Kriegzimmer that will provide us with a substantial amount of new factories.

I thank you for your most generous order, and sincerely hope that you return again.

Respectfully,
Derek Reisner
Chief Executive Officer
Consolidated Arms, Inc.

End Encrypted Reply
Southeastasia
31-07-2006, 09:32
*friendly bump for Hal*
Kanami
11-08-2006, 19:25
tagg
Vietnamexico
11-08-2006, 20:07
just wondering what the price for DPRs would be on the F-150 "Ebonhawk"
Kanami
11-08-2006, 23:12
Please send us 400 of each