NationStates Jolt Archive

Section One – The Purpose of this alliance is to provide a method of unity and protection against the more exploiting nations of the world.

Section two – The nations of this Alliance need not be of similar Governments or Belief system, against Imperalists sometimes even the Capitalist the Socialist and the Facist must Unite.

The Goal of this alliance is:

For Member nations to support one another in case of an Imperalist attack on a member nation, this can range from military intervention to vocial Protests against the Imperalists.

For all members to Refrain from permantly taking over another Nation in an act of Imperalism.

And to refuse to give aid to confirmed Imperalist Nations.

If any nation is interested make yourself known here.

-The Lone Alliance

We are torn on this issue. We ourselves have Colonies so many consider us Imperialistic. We are wondering what your definition on "Imperialistic" is.

The Holy Imperium of Banduria hereby condemns this alliance. By forming an alliance against imperialist nations, which will lead to the destruction or attack of those nations, it will become a vehicle for the very ideology it seeks to avoid. We find that such an alliance will in no way benefit the international community.

Damian Hertz
Under-Secretary to the Minister for Foreign Affairs

You know not whether the alliance seeks to preemtively prevent imperialism, or only acts in reaction to imperialism. Further, you also are unaware of whether or not in reacting to a percieved "imperialist" action will result in occupation of the "offending" nation, or is simply taken by the anti-imperalist nation to reach terms of peace and withdraw after the end of the conflict.

Your lack of specificity and information on the alliance gives you no basis on which to form an opinion. It is a prudent inference that the very nation levelling these accusations is imperialist and seeks to divert attention from the morality of its own actions on to the morality of other's -- a red herring if ever there was one.

In your claim that "such an alliance will in no way benefit the international community," do you conversely believe that an alliance of like-minded imperalist countries benefits the international community? In no way is it a rational assertion to claim that an alliance which respects the rightful sovreignty of all nations, large and small, is a vehicle to subvert the very principle it is founded upon. In their zeal to expand and utilize the resources of other nations for their own gain, imperialist countries forfeit their own international standing and right to denounce aggression against them.

Unprovoked war on other nations does not go ignored in the international community, and it is a highly irresponsible assertion and indicative implication to say otherwise.

-- Foreign Relations Bureau Chief Gordon Newell
The Bureaucratic States of Oglethorpia

Speakers in the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth have conveyed the quick dismissal of this proposal expressed by their comrades in what Senates and Soviets have brought the issue of this potential alliance to their debating tables. The idea of uniting socialists with oppressors for the express purpose of protecting the status quo is regarded as an offensive one worthy of the most dastardly Bolshevist, many older Igovians remembering their own experiences of Republic, Lapua Movement, and isolation between imperialists and supposedly liberating usurpers from the thirties through the Cold War.

Needless to say, distrust of this nationalist initiative runs high in the Commonwealth.

Let it be known that the Glorious Empire will be keeping a careful eye on this new alliance. So long as it remains nothing more than a mutual defense pact, there should be no objections. Should you begin taking preemptive actions against nations that have not harmed you, however, we may be forced to intervene. Do take care to keep your actions in accordance with your words.
-Corcyn, Commander of the Ghouti Military

Persepolis Palace, Parthia

The Shah laughed as his advisors read him the news of the Imperialistic alliance. "Perhaps we should try and show them what it means to take on powerful imperial nations. Gentlemen, you are familiar with the British and their modes of dominating the Chinese through trade of the magically addictive substance of Opium. I propose we do the same to The Lone Alliance, we should start shipping 150 pound chests of Opium to them. Of course, it is probably illegal in their nation, so we shall smuggle it in, but do enough to keep prices low so their entire populace may afford it." The Shah paused, "Speak to the corporate families, give them the green light to export Parthian opium into the Lone Alliance."

We are torn on this issue. We ourselves have Colonies so many consider us Imperialistic. We are wondering what your definition on "Imperialistic" is.

Our definetion are those who openly threaten to occupy nations for no other reason than to occupy. Basicly the Alliance is a pledge to not jump on such nations Bandwagon when they commit theses acts.

(OOC: Parthians IGNORED)

Our definetion are those who openly threaten to occupy nations for no other reason than to occupy. Basicly the Alliance is a pledge to not jump on such nations Bandwagon when they commit theses acts.

(OOC: Parthians IGNORED)

OOC: Interesting, perhaps you want to discuss this further. You see, theres nothing unrealistic about it. I was going to try smuggling a few containers from a ship carrying otherwise legal goods, then you can either RP it getting in or arresting the crew, either way im fine.

OOC: No I'd rather not deal with your stupid idea right now. It is un realistic because the government wouldn't let your nation in to begin with.

OOC: No I'd rather not deal with your stupid idea right now. It is un realistic because the government wouldn't let your nation in to begin with.


OOC: SMUGGLING. Keyword. They dont have to be seen. They could bribe a couple of sailors and stowaway.

From: His Most Worthy High Ecclesiarchy of Holy Xirnium
To: The Allied States of The Lone Alliance

Holy Xirnium, itself having been the victim of foul imperialistic aggression in the past (which was overcome only with the greatest difficulty and sacrifice), seeks to join this august body.

High Lord Dagos
Grand Cardinal of the High Ecclesiarchy

Let it be known that the Glorious Empire will be keeping a careful eye on this new alliance. So long as it remains nothing more than a mutual defense pact, there should be no objections. Should you begin taking preemptive actions against nations that have not harmed you, however, we may be forced to intervene. Do take care to keep your actions in accordance with your words.
-Corcyn, Commander of the Ghouti Military
The Holy Imperium of Banduria concurs with the sentiments expressed by the Glorious Empire of Ghout. However, while this does not serve as a vehicle for spreading harmful ideologies such as democracy and communism, we will not consider it a threat.

Unsigned Memo
Bandurian Ministry for Foreign Affairs

If this Alliance really is against imperialism then the Lone Alliance is obligated to remove her troops from the Dictatorship of 10790. I demand action be taken to heal this unjust occupation, if the Lone Alliance doesnt pull all military forces out of 10790 territory than this Alliance will be shown as a fraud and a farce.

OOC: Interesting, perhaps you want to discuss this further. You see, theres nothing unrealistic about it. I was going to try smuggling a few containers from a ship carrying otherwise legal goods, then you can either RP it getting in or arresting the crew, either way im fine.
[ooc: If you decide to start it, I'd be interested. (Besides having about 2.5 million drug-fueled political prisoners-cum-soldiers in my army, I like RPing these kinds of things...)

Although opium isn't used as much these days...try cocaine, methamphetamine, or heroin....]

If this Alliance really is against imperialism then the Lone Alliance is obligated to remove her troops from the Dictatorship of 10790. I demand action be taken to heal this unjust occupation, if the Lone Alliance doesnt pull all military forces out of 10790 territory than this Alliance will be shown as a fraud and a farce.
OOC: About time you got back. You don't count because we're still at war with you, and if you remember I would have removed my troops had Bonstock not occupied your nation first.
Besides there should be no troops there anymore anyway. NSly those 6 months of Occupiation has passed.

IC: Providing that 10790 decides TO QUIT SHOOTING AT US WITH NUKES, the last of our troops should have departed months ago. But since the Frozopian War is over All attacks have ceased, if you had bothered to check our base you would have found it empty.

The Holy Imperium of Banduria concurs with the sentiments expressed by the Glorious Empire of Ghout. However, while this does not serve as a vehicle for spreading harmful ideologies such as democracy and communism, we will not consider it a threat.

Unsigned Memo
Bandurian Ministry for Foreign Affairs

IC: Thank you for allowing us to continue, like it is stated, our nation can be complete enemies but in the order of this Alliance we won't help an Imperalist Nation completely take over your own for their own reasons.

And as stated in Section two of the Article:
Section two – The nations of this Alliance need not be of similar Governments or Belief system, against Imperalists sometimes even the Capitalist the Socialist and the Facist must Unite.

What your government believes is none of our business, unless you do something extremely evil and the entire international community is against you. But if a single nation decides to 'save' you in the name of 'insert name' type of government. We will not aid them in any way and condemn such actions. And prehaps take actions against it.

I guess as a member of the imperialist alliance I must stand by my brothers and officially condemn this hateful alliance which unjustly conspires against us for our political stance. How can your alliance sustain itself, were everything is built on the dollar?

Imperator Samuel II, Andaras Prime

Built on the dollar? We know not of what you mean. Money has nothing to do with it. May I remind you that we are socialist?

I'am sorry then, my ignorance is to blame. Although i provide limited commercial rights to my subjects, I do not like the idea of a profit motive and individuals working selfishly as oppose to the greater whole. So I do have some socialist like policies, a planned economy, but my government is closer to a totalitarian stalinist state, with monarchistic backgrounds, and we are strictly a rigid hierarchy. The Marxist ideal of no government would be disasterous. Anyway my imperialism has always been internal, if the imperialist alliance did something that would likely get me in war I would resign, I'm for peace and order, not war and chaos.

Imperator Samuel II, Andaras Prime

We understand completely, misunderstandings happen.

Anyway:

10790 is in. (Even though we are hostile with each other, I accept your statement)

Holy Xirnium is also allowed in, we have been impressed with your nation in the past.