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OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE FROM THE COMMISSARIAT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS


The brave Red Army of Ankhmet has captured 14,000 Fascist soldiers in the first stage of the Battle of Tyr, the second bloodiest battle of the Ankhmeti Red October. The Foreign Commissariat wishes to guage world opinion on charging soldiers with murder for every one of your men lost in battle. Collectively the 14,000 soldiers would face 140,000 counts of first degree murder and 140,000 counts of treason. They would almost certainly be sentenced to death or a lifetime of supplying free labour for the upkeep of the 'Ankhmet Wall'. In the most merciful of People's Courts they could expect to be sentenced to life in a Punishment Division, clearing minefields or barbed wire (in the midst of battle).

Comrade Commissar Sut Horus
Chief Foreign Commissar


[Sorry about the typo in the poll :eek:]

The soldier's shall not face death! As a Fascist state, I must say that they shall be only jailed because they were the ones who carried out the orders because they are nationalists; the leaders only made them do it! (Not to put myself or any Fascist leaders life at stake.) And according to your nation, fascist goverment or not, you are pretty much like them as you are a Coporate Police State. You are as evil as they are so I say jail them for such atrocities.

[I don't use the UN classification on the nation page. Ankhmet is a communist state.]

The soldiers are to be put on trial facing 280,000 counts of different crimes. A cap has been placed on punishments, so they can at most be moved to labour squads.

[Trial thread to come.]

You have not given sufficient information to reach a judgement.

Are these citizens of your country who have rebelled against your rule? If not, how can you charge them with treason? And in their conduct of the battle against your forces, did they commit war crimes (such as offering no quarter, slaying civilians, using weapons or tactics of unacceptable brutality)? Or did they merely fight against you as any army would? If the latter, how can you try them as war criminals?

And who started this war? If it wasn't the other side - if it was you - how can you hold their leaders to blame for fighting back? If the other side did start the war, did they have cause? Did they follow the rules of war (declaring war instead of launching a surprise attack, taking prisoners and treating them well, respecting civilian lives and property) or did they violate those rules?

It sounds as though their only "crime" was that of being your enemy. If that's the case, they must not be tried for anything, and if you do try them, it will be you and your people who are guilty of war crimes.

By way of clarification, here are the facts of the Battle of Tyr and its background:

At the beginning of October, Ankhmet was engulfed in a revolution. The popular leader, Johan Weishaupt, led the Ankhmeti Revolutionary Army to take the administrative sections of the capital, and took control of the government. The old leadership released all the virological weapons of the I.V.F. in response. The ARA in the first few weeks of the Revolution was an all-volunteer force, and so took heavy losses when fighting the 2,000,000 professional soldiers of the Ankhmeti Defense Force. No prisoners were taken by either side. In the case of the ARA it would b impossible to maintain the standard of living the ADF troops were used to, or indeed giving them the level of care the ARA troops enjoyed due to lack of resources. After the first weeks the ARA was reformed as the Ankhmeti Red Army, given powers of conscription and access tot he Ankhmeti treasury. At that point prisoners were taken, but the ADF still executed surrendering forces on sight.

The city of Tyr controls the largest Ankhmeti oil reserve, producing many millions of barrels per day. A division of 200,000 men was dispatched fromt he 1st Army.

During the Battle of Tyr, the Ankhmeti Red Army carried out many fruitless attacks. In the snowy conditions of Southeastern Ankhmet the peasant conscript forces took heavy losses. Many thousands surrendered, but were promptly executed by the fascist Ankhmeti Defence Force. As a result, the 117th Division took 140,000 losses, out of 200,000 men.

The Battle is still ongoing, and a further 400,000 men (2 Red Army Divisions) have been moved to Tyr. Every day hundreds are killed, many of them in the process of surrender.

Allowing Fascists to live is a crime itself. Even the highest levels of rehabilitation could not rehabilitate a fascist.

The killing of people even in war can be justified as murder. Especially the citizens and soldiers that fought to preserve the peace.

As their humiliating punishment they should work for the land they sought to destroy. Maybe that might change their minds.



Minister of Revolution Protection
Minister of Foreign Relations and Actions

The Ankhmeti Justice System will deal with fascists always in the same way: a bullet through the head. Though my position may not be that of the whole government, I will nonetheless campaign to have at elast half of them shot, after digging their own graves.

Comrade Premier Weishaupt

ooc: please don't post in red I can't read it without highlighting it :(

secret ic:

Message from: CTP communist party

We advise that your teach these fascist pigs are communist ideals they will be far more useful as propaganda tools than filthy pigs stealing communist land with there poisoned bodies of evil

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To: The Call To Power Communist Party

The Ankhmeti People's Government will not allow these pigs to live. They are partially responsible for the 20,000,000 Communist dead during the revolution, a count that rises daily. Their deaths will represent partial closure for those who have lost friends and family. Only when all the capitalists who currently fight the unstoppable Ankhmeti Red Army are dead will the purges end.

Comrade Premier Weishaupt

Analysis of Communist Repraisals on Fascist Soldiers in Ankhmet

Frankly, the idea is disgusting and it seems as if in the end Communism is no better than Fascism in terms of political backlashing. Indeed, when the Spanish Civil War ended Franco used captured Red soldiers to build his Valle de los Caidos, and do to natural course of action hundreds of prisoners died. The same seems to be undergoing in Ankhmet, although the administration seems even more willing to murder these men in a more overt fashion.

Now, the question remains is those fascist soldiers are guilty of murder, are not the Communist soldiers just as guilty? They both murdered other soldiers as ordered by their commanders. If one side is not to be punished but the other is then what equality is there? This seems as only another incident which provides further evidence that the Communist system is one of favouritism and folly, something which was not outlined in the Manifesto - in other words, Communism has again been proved to be a failed administrative system.

Ankhmet has never been in good relations with the Empire and when the time comes both will find themselves in a state of war. Unfortunately, this war seems on the horizon and we may find ourselves in a position of another wolrd war [OOC: which I am planning; so if you're interested there you go]. Nonetheless, the actions of Ankhmet remain disgusting and the administration of said country seems to have very little intelligence in general. That will be their downfall.

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Indeed, we are so lacking in intelligence we converted the people of our nation from running dogs of c********m, to great warriors of the worker. We are so lacking in intelligence we cured the plagues that scourged the country from the secret labs of the IVF within a month. We are so lacking in intelligence we built universal constructors. We are so lacking in intelligence we outwitted the professional armies of the f*****t Ankhmeti Defense Force with the conscript armies of the Ankhmeti Red Army.

Truly, we are dullards.

Comrade Premier Weishaupt

And all the while Hitler brought his country out of depression; Hitler defeated the armies of Capitalism and Communism for three straight years. Yet, obviously, that was not a manifestation of intelligence. You will find yourself in the same boat, and when the war between the free market and the closed market begins it will become more and more obvious to you and your nation that you are the weak and the Empire the strong.

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Clear up your facts, c********t. Hitler kept the forces of communism and c********m at bay whilst the glorious workers of the Socialist states toiled to create the mighty armies that would smash his little realm.

Comrade Premier Weishaupt

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The reprisals are justified, the fascist soldiers are commiting treason by plotting to destroy/overthrow the ruling power by force.

Ankhmet may choose however way they wish to dispose of them and if by death penalty that is so. Then it is so.

The lives of a few fascists are worth less than law abiding citizens that obey the leadership and it's ideals. The defence of The Revolution is upmost and primary to keeping a sane country and not ending in turmoil.


Minister of Revolution Protection
Minister of Foreign Relations and Actions

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As Premier of the Ankhmeti People's Republic, I wish to offer the highest award of the Ankhmeti People's state to the leader of the Kroblexskij Communist Party, The Red Star of Heroism towards the Ankhmeti People, in recognition of your defence of our judicial processes.

Comrade premier Weishaupt

We sense that the administration of Ankhmet has read little in the way of the Second World War and the governments that brought it down. Furthermore, we resent, as we are a free market empire, the denotation as Communist, as we are not in any way, shape, or form. Unfortunately, the powers that brought down Germany were the United States, the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union, at the most general outlook. The economies of the United States and the United Kingdom from around 1936 to the present day, ironically enough, took a page from the fascist book revolving their economies around the state as opposed to the individual. Of course, there are indications that the economy still revolves around the individual, as an individual can rise through the social ranks, however, that's merely a side effect of the system which stresses competition, and that is exactly the result of competition. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, was neither Communist nor Socialist, but in the most general sense the USSR was a manifestation of Communism, not Socialism. So, in effect, there were no socialist armies that took down Hitler - we suggest you pick up a book on the Second World War [OOC: I myself, in RL, am a WWII scholar].

Kroblexskij, those men were under orders from the generals, and if anybody is to be punished it is the generals, although we believe that even that is oppression. We see a bleak future for Ankhmet, and yourself if you decide to tie yourself in with him, and we see Ankhmet under the jackboot of greater forces which may or may not be us. His coastal defenses are a joke; they are an indication of Ankhmet's lack of understanding considering military tactics and strategies. Ankhmet has continously given off the impression of hypocracy, undermining their message of utopianism. There's not much use in arguing, but Ankhmet is a joke.

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It is unfortunate that your c********t haze cannot be lifted, as you would see that you are wrong in all you say. Ankhmet is right. The People will it, therefore Ankhmet cannot be wrong.

Comrade Premier Weishaupt

Official Communique from the Revolutionist Federation of Kroblexskij

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In recognition of your award we humbly accept. It is a great day when a nation discovers the truth of The Revolution.
As stated before the defence is upmost, and shall not be undermined.


Also In recognition of the Condemnation of the Federation, and of Ankhmet made by The Macabees - military value plays no part in this judicial process, That is of separate matter.
You may keep your "free market" and its values. But we warn you it will be the ultimate downfall. Eventually corporations will rise above the government and take over the lives of the populace, the government will own no control and is effectivly "Anarchy".

Yes it the fault of the generals aswell but they should be treated as another soldier, if not a little bit worse. But it was not like the soldier could not have turned down their arms and surrendered. or never have joined up.

It is now not the question of military law, but the process of dealing with the criminals and finding a suitable punishment. A question of Ideologies and ideals.

Minister of Revolution Protection
Minister of Foreign Relations and Actions

Allowing Fascists to live is a crime itself. Even the highest levels of rehabilitation could not rehabilitate a fascist.

The killing of people even in war can be justified as murder. Especially the citizens and soldiers that fought to preserve the peace.

As their humiliating punishment they should work for the land they sought to destroy. Maybe that might change their minds.



Minister of Revolution Protection
Minister of Foreign Relations and Actions
Of course you should know that death is too easy, a coward's way out. And I say again, I may be a fascist but, let the fascist live on through the horrors of what they have commited. Let them suffer their crimes.

We've heard enough.

The execution of prisoners under any circumstances is a war crime. About the only defense that the fascists have is that they were the legally constituted government at the outset of this conflict, and so could at least theoretically claim to be dispensing summary justice under martial law in killing those caught in the act of rebellion against it; the revolutionary forces arrayed against them, on the other hand, lack even this excuse.

The release of viral weaponry is a war crime as well; however, only those soldiers who were actually involved in this release can be held responsible for it. Other soldiers serving on the same side can not be punished for the crimes of those peers - at least under anything remotely resembling a genuine system of justice.

Unfortunately, as we suspected, the revolutionaries are indeed taking the position that it is a war crime merely to take up arms in favour of the old government and against the revolution; this says more about the nature of the new regime than it does about the alleged crimes of their prisoners.

We agree with The Macabees (boy, that's a change from the normal state of affairs); this is simply an indication of the depravity of the new government, which appears to be no different than the depravity of the old government. C'est la vie.