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Neoma has committed genocide against the Non-Corridists, and in return, a group of nations invaded Neoma, and may have committed genocide themselves. Blood has been spilt in that nation known as Neoma, and we wish for peace. Therefore, a special criminal tribunal has been set up to deterimne if genocide indeed have happened, and if so, who was responsible. We suggest all war parties cooperate with the investigation.

Nations who are involved in the war, me included, are not allowed to sit on this tribunal. This way, the tribunal is indepdent. Instead, we ask for indepedent nations to sit on the tribunal, and therefore, decide if genocide was committed by Neoma or the Colation. We also call for all nations, me included, to accept the findings of this tribunal.

We hope that this sad chapter in NationStates may finally end.

OOC: I have forgotten to ask, but can the peacekeepers in Neoma, the USSPM, can they stay to help create a DMZ and help the civilians of Neoma.

As far as I'm concerned, ther isn't a DMZ to create. Since Neoma never responded, all forces are either out to sea, like mine, or sitting on a beach, where they're being evacuated.

Well then, there is a DMZ then. It's possibly only a couple miles down the coastline.

Of course, if all the Colation forces leave, then there is no DMZ, since there is no enemy military force on the other side.

Still, Neoma may still want assistance, to protect itself from another war, and so may ask for UN peacekeepers to stay.

A DMZ zone could mean the beach and some point out at sea. And my forces have landed on the beach and are waiting for the parties to respect the MOA that I gave in.

Just remember, no nation who was inside of the conflict (and that includes me) can sit on the Special Military Tribunal. We want indepedent nations to decide what indeed has happened in Neoma.

Official Government Release

Seeing how our nation played no part in the conflict that has taken place in Neoma we would be willing to take a seat on this council if allowed to get to the bottom of this matter.

High Councilman Mĕane
The People’s Republic of New Sans

Official Government Release

Seeing how our nation played no part in the conflict that has taken place in Neoma we would be willing to take a seat on this council if allowed to get to the bottom of this matter.

High Councilman Mĕane
The People’s Republic of New Sans

Thank you, New Sans. Please get other nations to go on the tribunal as well.

The Confederacy of Economic Associate's Official Press Release

The Confederacy of Economic Associates would be willing to send a delegation to sit on this genocide tribunal. We are also glad that you are only allowing unbiased nations to sit on this important tribunal as to ensure justice will be served. If you are willing to let us we will help judge the accused in a fair and impartial manner.

John Kirkland, Foreign Minister of the Confederacy of Economic Associates

OOC: SLI, who is supposed to decide who gets put on the tribunal?

OOC: No one. Anybody who wants to be on the tribunal...other than nations who have partaken in the Neoma conflict, can be on the tribunal.

The Imperial Government of the Isle of Skye Makes the following offers:

1. As we are neutral in this conflict and

2. As we have an independant Judiciary,

We offer:

1. To host any and all trials for war crimes, and

2. Offer Justice William Avery, Retired Justice of the Supreme Imperial Court to help preside over any cases that go to trial.

-Emperor Adrian II, Isle of Skye
-Marcus McKinney, Lord Juris

OOC: Count us in.

OOC: Gruenberg, you could post IC instead of OOC that you are in.

IC:

It seems we have enough people. If more nations want to enter, they can ask to join.

The Isle of Skye, remember that this tribunal is to first find out if genocide has indeed occured, and if so, by whom. Once we figured that out, then we can start charging people for war crimes.

So, how will we start the tribunal?

OOC: Gruenberg, you could post IC instead of OOC that you are in.

IC:

It seems we have enough people. If more nations want to enter, they can ask to join.

The Isle of Skye, remember that this tribunal is to first find out if genocide has indeed occured, and if so, by whom. Once we figured that out, then we can start charging people for war crimes.

So, how will we start the tribunal?

OOC: I'd say we need to find a nation that will host the tribunal, have the charges against the defendents shown, opening statements, witness testimony, etc. So I believe a nation has already volunteered to host the trial and I have no objections with that. Also how many people do we have on this thing? We are going to need an odd number so we don't have a deadlock.

[OCC: I think we should wait to for the tribunals findings before talking about putting warcriminals to justice]

From: The Holy Judiciary of Xirnium
To: The Government of the SLI Sector.

The Holy Empire of Xirnium, which has a completely independent judiciary and was not involved in this conflict, offers to sit on this international tribunal. We shall send one of our most eminent jurists, Lady Justice Galdria, who has had great experience in trials involving warcrimes abuses and genocide, if it pleases you.

Lord High Justice Hynor
High Supreme Court of Xirnium

Seeing as The Commonwealth has experience within courts of justice and has seen the trials of countless dictators and commiters of genocide, we ask if we may partake in this court. If not, our World Justice Court Facility within the Ackerenian-UN Complex would more than accomodate the judiciaries and hold the perpitrator within a high-security holding area. Our nation would like to see this man put under a fair trial, and is most enthusiastic in wanting to be involved.

Minister of Foreign Affairs
Broodem R.D. Kleshgimeir

Remember that this tribunal is looking into if genocide took place and by who. Did the Neomans commit genocide, did the coalition. Then if it is decided that someone is solely guilty they could be tried for war crimes.

However, please keep the talk about quilt down to a minimum because there is a tense situation between 2,400 peacekeepers and Neoman forces near the DMZ.

Remember that this tribunal is looking into if genocide took place and by who. Did the Neomans commit genocide, did the coalition. Then if it is decided that someone is solely guilty they could be tried for war crimes.



ooc: I get it now...wow....I'm a retard :P :rolleyes: Well we'd still like to take part in this, and help in the deliberation.

OCC:

We have 5 members, we could convene right away. However, I suggest we wait until we get 7 members, which is the amount of Justices on a Full Court of the High Supreme Court of Xirnium, incidentally. I also suggest it would be ideal to host it in a nation not on the tribunal.

OOC: Actually, we have six members. Gruenberg promised to join.

So, just one more person, and a host country, and then we can start.

We advise the SLI sector to get it's terms right.

The Coalition would not go to war against a genocidal nation in order to commit the crime itself. As it has only engaged enemy combat warships, that is defined as combat. Neoma, on the other hand, has extirminated a religious group, therefore that is defined as genocide.

Thank you.

We advise the SLI sector to get it's terms right.

The Coalition would not go to war against a genocidal nation in order to commit the crime itself. As it has only engaged enemy combat warships, that is defined as combat. Neoma, on the other hand, has extirminated a religious group, therefore that is defined as genocide.

Thank you.
Well said!:)

That will be found out in a Tribunal. Present your evidence to a tribunal when a host nation and a seventh member, impartial, is found. Both sides should be presented before the jurists are corrupted by one side only.

It is for the tribunal to decide what was committed and what wasn't. If you don't want to present evidence to the tribunal it will not help the coalition's cause.

For starters, Velkya has not engaged in any combat operations as of yet. The "Knight" air sqaudron is onboard the Willink carrier Argus, and is armed to conduct operations against combat targets.

Seeing as the Coalition is still out to sea, we have not even gotten a chance to strike at Neoma herself yet. The only non-Neoman party on Neoman shores are the peacekeepers themselves.

Why can't they have commited "genocide" instead of a force that is hundreds of miles away?

For starters, Velkya has not engaged in any combat operations as of yet. The "Knight" air sqaudron is onboard the Willink carrier Argus, and is armed to conduct operations against combat targets.

Seeing as the Coalition is still out to sea, we have not even gotten a chance to strike at Neoma herself yet. The only non-Neoman party on Neoman shores are the peacekeepers themselves.

Why can't they have commited "genocide" instead of a force that is hundreds of miles away?

OOC: Willink was ignored by neoma so it's a bit hard to be striking from a carrier that isn't acknowledged to be there.

slight clarification: The coalition forces are right off the coast to make sure the peacekeepers aren't attacked as the set up camp, not "hundreds of miles away". But, meh, same difference...

COMMUNIQUE TO ALL NATIONS INVOLVED
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From the Ministry of International Affairs, Rilloria:

High-Chancellor Dima of Rilloria would like to offer a member to this war-crimes tribunal. We offer retired Field Marshal Terim to act as out independant nation's contribution to this tribunal. Field Marshal Terim is the former Military Chancellor of Rilloras and is also the retired Vice-Chancellor of Justice. He would prove an excellent candidate because of his extensive knowledge of the law and also of military affairs. Long Live the High-Chancellor.

Hugo Vern,
Sub-Chancellor of International Affairs, Rilloria
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END OF COMMUNIQUE

OOC: Willink was ignored by neoma so it's a bit hard to be striking from a carrier that isn't acknowledged to be there.

Direct me to the post where he was ignored.

If so, I'm based on any other Coalition carrier.

He ignored them here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9925725&postcount=86).

And no problem, I have carrier space.:)

OOC:
For clarification, this isn't my first Nation. I just made a new nation for RPing. So I'm not a "noob" if anyone was wondering. :p

OOC: You can't ignore someone because they don't respond immediatly. Not everyone has unlimited time to RP. Akaron's dogpile is newb behavior, but Willink is a experienced player, he shouldn't be ignored.

OOC: You can't ignore someone because they don't respond immediatly. Not everyone has unlimited time to RP. Akaron's dogpile is newb behavior, but Willink is a experienced player, he shouldn't be ignored.

OOC: It's up to neoma not me here.

OOC: We'll get back to that later.

Back to the tribunal.

OOC: I'll be at school, so I'll try not to get too far behind in this ;) .

OOC:I'm out sick from school today, so I'll be here for a while, so....yeah

OCC: I'm ready to hear submissions.

Well, I'm submitting that this tribunal is as useless as the NS United Nations and that we should create a new NS entity with actual peacekeeping forces.

Tribunal Member: Lady Justice Galdria

The objections of the Velkyan executive government are noted by this tribunal. However, we must inform that it is well outside our terms of reference to determine either the:

(a) Usefulness of the tribunal
(b) Legality of the tribunal
(c) Effectiveness or otherwise of proposed future hypothetical peacekeeping organisations

The tribunal would prefer submissions be made as to our correct jurisdiction, namely warcrimes and genocide allegations.

Lady Justice Galdria
on leave from the High Supreme Court of Xirnium

Tribunal Member: Field Marshal Terim

The Imperial Chancellorship of Rilloras recognizes the issues the Velkyan Government raises, however it is not up to this warcrimes tribunal to determine the need for peacekeeping forces or organizations. This tribunal is charged with determining whether war crimes were in fact committed in Neoma.

Field Marshal Terim,
Retired Vice-Chancellor of Justice, Rilloria
On leave from Rilloras

OOC: I think the best way to go about this is to have the nation who said they'd host the tribunal make a new thread, we all rp arriving, and then things get underway.

OOC: If there is still room, I would like to join this RP.

IC: The nation of Habardia will most gladly send a representative versed in military matters to aid in this tribunal, if recquired.

Sir Geoffrey Damrd
Sixth Baron Woldrock,
Foreign Policy Advisor to His Grace, the Gran Duke Habard
Habardian Diplomat and Representative to the NSUN

Sure, you can have a seat on the tribunal, if you promise to be netural in this.

Sure, you can have a seat on the tribunal, if you promise to be netural in this.
I'll be neutral, as Habardia has no real interests in the region in question. If someone would be as kind as to brief me about the general situation and what present developments are I'll very readily assist.

OOC: Basically, Neoma has attacked and destroyed all Non-Coordists in the area, without providing a reason. (Maybe the reason he did it was good...maybe to stop unrest? No one knows.)

Then the Colation was formed to attack Neoma to stop the "genocide". They believed that intervention is needed to stop the genocide and so they invaded the nation. Just like that.

I would comment, but it would prejudice your attidue. I'll save my arguments for the tribunal.

I submit that there could have been allegations of genocide by the Colation forces and ask for the judges to investigate these charges.

OOC: Neoma, now would be the time to send evidence to the tribunal?

Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'jen-&-"sId
Function: noun
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group —compare HOMICIDE —geno·cid·al /"jen-&-'sId-&l/ adjective


The only casualties in this war have been as a result of bombing runs against ships manned and operated by the Neoman navy. Clearly, SLI, what happened was not genocide
BTW, tribunal members, now might be a good time to start reading the thread so you are all more informed when the trial starts.
/not your overlord
From the other thread on this topic...Obviously this isn't a case of genocide on the part of the coalition.

We shall let Neoma, which indeed had experience being attacked by the Colation, to speak its view.

Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'jen-&-"sId
Function: noun
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group —compare HOMICIDE —geno·cid·al /"jen-&-'sId-&l/ adjective

And if we accept this defination, then Neoma can also say that its actions is not genocide. Just the storming of religious places of worship.

We comment that we do not know why Neoma caused the attack on all non-Corrdists. I think it would be wise for Neoma to tell us why he did it...it might be justifable.

It says, IN THE VERY FIRST POST, that their one goal was to kill(homicide) every non-coordian(group). Genocide is the deliberate killing of a specific ethnic, religous, etc. group.

And genocide is NEVER justifiable!

OOC: you're a very convincing pain in the @$$. Not like that in rl I hope;)

It says, IN THE VERY FIRST POST, that their one goal was to kill(homicide) every non-coordian(group). Genocide is the deliberate killing of a specific ethnic, religous, etc. group.

And genocide is NEVER justifiable!
If his intent was to kill every non-coordian group, I would argue it was gernocide, in that a particular group was targeted for elimination. However, this might not have been the intent, and I will save judgement until we have more than hearsay on the matter.

If his intent was to kill every non-coordian group, I would argue it was gernocide, in that a particular group was targeted for elimination. However, this might not have been the intent, and I will save judgement until we have more than hearsay on the matter.
Read the thread. Within the first two pages Neoma openly admits his plan to kill all non-coordians. Furthermore, even a specific non-coordian religion is still a group, and thus murdering all of them is genocide.

It says, IN THE VERY FIRST POST, that their one goal was to kill(homicide) every non-coordian(group). Genocide is the deliberate killing of a specific ethnic, religous, etc. group.

And genocide is NEVER justifiable!

OOC: you're a very convincing pain in the @$$. Not like that in rl I hope;)

OOC: This is using IC information that we are not privy to. Unless we were right there when the first post was being said we don't know what was said.

Read the thread. Within the first two pages Neoma openly admits his plan to kill all non-coordians. Furthermore, even a specific non-coordian religion is still a group, and thus murdering all of them is genocide.
I would still like to hear the testimony of Neoma in person before I make a decision. Also, shouldn't the Trial start on a new thread where we can actually hear testimony both from Neoma and an appointed representative of the Coalition, then deliberate in an orderly fashion?

I would still like to hear the testimony of Neoma in person before I make a decision. Also, shouldn't the Trial start on a new thread where we can actually hear testimony both from Neoma and an appointed representative of the Coalition, then deliberate in an orderly fashion?

Agreed.

seconded

btw, the court should have the power to subpoena documents, recordings etc. from the start. I think the thread mentions documents on the genocide...

seconded

btw, the court should have the power to subpoena documents, recordings etc. from the start. I think the thread mentions documents on the genocide...
Definitely. If there are documents, the Court should be able to see them.

Field Marshal Terim of the Rillorian Delegation calls for all sides who have evidence in the matter, to bring them forward so that the tribunal can make an informed decision. Any documents that would shed some light the these recent events should be put forth for the court to review.

OOC: Jeez...what a day...has the tribunal started?

OOC: Seeing how it needs to be done I'll host the tribunal/start thread for tribunal if you all don't mind.

OOC: Seeing how it needs to be done I'll host/start thread for tribunal if you all don't mind.
Alright. But please post a link to it here.

OOC: Seeing how it needs to be done I'll host the tribunal/start thread for tribunal if you all don't mind.


OOC: That's fine.

I actually started one here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9934060#post9934060). My bad:( . You can use that one New Sans.

I actually started one here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9934060#post9934060). My bad:( . You can use that one New Sans.

It's okay, I'll be hopefully getting a post in soon. Standard inviting all nations involved in the tribunal to meet at a location in my nation to have this thing get started. Also contacting neoma would be a plus since he hasn't made any responses to this.

It's okay, I'll be hopefully getting a post in soon. Standard inviting all nations involved in the tribunal to meet at a location in my nation to have this thing get started. Also contacting neoma would be a plus since he hasn't made any responses to this.
So are we using N Y C's or New Sans'? Also, I could send a telegram to Neoma, if that is alright with everyone. COuld I get a list of all the members of the Court, just to sign the telegram with all of them. Then it can be more official.

So are we using N Y C's or New Sans'? Also, I could send a telegram to Neoma, if that is alright with everyone. COuld I get a list of all the members of the Court, just to sign the telegram with all of them. Then it can be more official.

These are all the people on the tribunal

Myself
Economic Associates
Isle of Sky
Gruenburg
Xirnium
Ackerenia
Rilloras

These are all the people on the tribunal

Myself
Economic Associates
Isle of Sky
Gruenburg
Xirnium
Ackerenia
Rilloras
Thank you. I will send the telegram presently. Oh, and I posted a request for a roll call on the court forum just to make it official.

The telegram has been sent. Hopefully, Neoma will be responding shortly. So, finally, the official list of the Court is this:

New Sans
Economic Associates
Isle of Sky
Gruenburg
Xirnium
Ackerenia
Rilloras
Habardia

Now, of course Neoma will be representing himself, but who will represent the Coalition?

As prehaps the most vocal(i.e. loudmouthed) member, I voulenteer to at least co-represent the coalition's case.

As prehaps the most vocal(i.e. loudmouthed) member, I voulenteer to at least co-represent the coalition's case.
I won't object. Does anyone have any objection against Ataroa representing the coalition?

As long as neither of the parties on the Tribunal itself were involved in the conflict I see no harm in it.

OOPS! posted as my FT puppet. Ataroa= me!

Mr. President,

The Supreme Court of the United States of Driverco has ordered that any and all assets, held in this country, by those nations involved in potentially genocidal activities; are frozen as of 15th November, 2005.

Our judges of this Supreme Court are experts in the field of judicial investigation into foreign conflicts and have presided over several similar cases which have been brought in our nation's capital.

The United States of Driverco Chief Justice, His Honour Judge Robert Schneider has been asked to convene a preliminary hearing into the case and has respectfully requested your permission to hear the trial in the United States of Driverco; a nation both independent and renowned for its civil rights and sacroscant upholding of the rule of international law and the pursuit of justice for all.


I remain, yours faithfully,



Craig G. Handley
President of the United States of Driverco