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So, yeah, here we go.

Comment away.

Activity at every major Automagfreek port exploded, with thousands of trucks and hundreds of ships moving about hurridly. Vidimir Breathstealer had been in Kraven port for nearly a week without action, but word had quickly reached Dreadfire as soon as the counter offensive began. For now Breathstealer would stay in Kraven territory, while Azrael and Zander would be charged with bringing the Consortium to its knees.

Having left the negotiating table, the young Azrael made his way back to Fort Brigg and to his flagship, the Death Rattle. Zander had already taken to sea in the War Nerve, and surrounded by his massive armada he began to steam eastward towards international waters. Azrael would follow a day or so behind, giving him more time to judge the situation and make last minute adjustments.

However, before he left he was greeted personally by Damien at Brigg. He smiled and embraced his son before issuing his final orders and seeing him off. Son, it seems that the AKA will not give into our demands....and the time has come once more for war. However, I herby authorize you to ignore Mandate 77. The rest of Damien's words went unheard, for Mandate 77 was the order issued many years ago to effectively put a leash on Sentinel brutality in the field.

Damien nudged Azrael and snapped him back to his senses. You hear me boy? The Mandate has been lifted. Bring these cowardly dogs to their knees, make them wish they had never crossed swords with the Empire. I will be watching.

With that Azrael bowed respectfully and bid his father farewell. His forces had already been assembled by his lesser ranked officers, and the massive Sentinel force swelled as it struggled to get loaded into thier ships on time. Dreadfire had also informed Azrael that a third and smaller force would set out a day behind him carrying reinforcements and supplies, and to inform Consortium allies of AMF battle plans.

Azrael was quick to oblige, and within the next few hours the second and much larger Freek armada took to the seas, bound for Kahanistan.


I'm confused. I was thinking AMF was an ally of the Consortium? If not, then I've been making some pretty big screwups...

I'm confused. I was thinking AMF was an ally of the Consortium? If not, then I've been making some pretty big screwups...

I'm attacking you.....simple mistake.

Just as a note, Kahanistan, we arn't there yet. Also, 155mm guns are about equivalent to 5 inch guns, so it's unlikely you'd be in range before AMF's fleet is...

Just as a note, Kahanistan, we arn't there yet. Also, 155mm guns are about equivalent to 5 inch guns, so it's unlikely you'd be in range before AMF's fleet is...

Yeah, so don't expect losses on that bombardment, seeing as nobody is remotely close to your land yet.

Also, the map on your Wiki page is very small and hard to read. I also need to know what your claim is as far as territorial waters go.

Just as a note, Kahanistan, we arn't there yet. Also, 155mm guns are about equivalent to 5 inch guns, so it's unlikely you'd be in range before AMF's fleet is...

6 inch actually.

Claim's about 60 km (~35 miles) out to sea. Funny, I always thought 155mm artillery was pretty big league guns.

Claim's about 60 km (~35 miles) out to sea. Funny, I always thought 155mm artillery was pretty big league guns.

It is on land, but everything gets a wee bit bigger out on the high seas.

Claim's about 60 km (~35 miles) out to sea. Funny, I always thought 155mm artillery was pretty big league guns.

Big league guns are railway guns (we have 280mm ones), and that's for land. Some of the superdreadnoughts have 30" guns. 6" guns like your 155mm were used on cruisers during WWII as light armament (main armament being 8" if I remember correctly). You can mess up their exposed sensors and sink some destroyers with them, but that'll be it.

Just goes to show I have little experience in naval warfare... the fleet will probably get creamed by AMF but I'll make sure I don't go down without a fight. :)

Just goes to show I have little experience in naval warfare... the fleet will probably get creamed by AMF but I'll make sure I don't go down without a fight. :)

If you want to prolong it, you might want to purchase some M75 Templar railway guns from us. Give one a single hour and it can lay 75 naval mines (small ones of course, best for taking out landing craft) or 450 anti-personnel mines, with a range of 200 miles.

Unless you have a cloaking device I don't know how you'll get it past AMF's fleet in the middle of a warzone... Fly it in? Unlikely, flights into Kahanistan are being redirected to makeshift airstrips at the border maintained by Kahanistan border police. That leaves trucking it in. Somehow I don't think it'll fit.

Unless you have a cloaking device I don't know how you'll get it past AMF's fleet in the middle of a warzone... Fly it in? Unlikely, flights into Kahanistan are being redirected to makeshift airstrips at the border maintained by Kahanistan border police. That leaves trucking it in. Somehow I don't think it'll fit.

It's a railway gun. Just put some 5 foot gauge train tracks up to the airfield and enough locomotives for all of the guns ordered.

You're forgetting you have the Red Sea, and my fleet is guarding that as of now.

Unless you have a cloaking device I don't know how you'll get it past AMF's fleet in the middle of a warzone... Fly it in? Unlikely, flights into Kahanistan are being redirected to makeshift airstrips at the border maintained by Kahanistan border police. That leaves trucking it in. Somehow I don't think it'll fit.


For the record I'm just now entering your waters, so I do not believe that I am in range of your fleet, seeing as you do not have any SD's.

Just as a heads-up, Velkya, I did run these electrolaser things by the dudes in the NS Draftroom, and they generally agreed they arn't a godmod. I even made a post about refitting my ships with them, though I didn't mention what exactly was being fitted for obvious reasons.

Besides, launching conventional ICBM's at Super Dreadnoughts is pointless. The smaller and faster interceptor missiles that any modern surface fleet carries can easily hit something that large.

Just as a heads-up, Velkya, I did run these electrolaser things by the dudes in the NS Draftroom, and they generally agreed they arn't a godmod. I even made a post about refitting my ships with them, though I didn't mention what exactly was being fitted for obvious reasons.

It's not an ICBM, it's more of a large winged missile. Although it is quite large, it travels at extremly high speeds, most missiles can't even come close to matching. I wouldn't mind just 1 hitting, but AN is once agan proving his defenses impenatrable. Also, the fact that AN has flying lasers that can hit a missile traveling at hypersonic speeds at a straight downward angle is puzzling to me. Not only that, but he shoots down every one... and then some, since I fired 5, and he nailed 7...

Weird.

Why should it be odd that he nailed all 5? Assuming a speed back down of Mach 6.9 and an initial altitude of 120 miles (since it was nearly LEO, which starts at 124), he has 80 seconds until those things hit. The key to successful NS missiles strikes is saturation, which you failed to do (or just obscenely large weapons, like die Teufelbombe).

When you run out of cows, use russains!

It's not an ICBM, it's more of a large winged missile. Although it is quite large, it travels at extremly high speeds, most missiles can't even come close to matching. I wouldn't mind just 1 hitting, but AN is once agan proving his defenses impenatrable. Also, the fact that AN has flying lasers that can hit a missile traveling at hypersonic speeds at a straight downward angle is puzzling to me. Not only that, but he shoots down every one... and then some, since I fired 5, and he nailed 7...

Weird.

I'll edit to say five, I thought you launched seven for some reason. :p

Also, hypersonic still isn't faster than light, plus my radar would have picked up the missiles in the boost phase, especially considering I mentioned my fleet was paying very close attention to everything around it for quite a ways.

Sorry bout all this guys. Those are pure anti-shipping missiles, designed to take out capital ships such as battleships and carriers.

I thought AN's fleet was a naval one.

Damn it, I've lost the element of suprise...

Edit: Sadly, I must leave for a 21st century warfare practice. I will catch you dudes later.

You know, Xirnium, it's certainly rather trite of you to complain about me being postmodern now. It certainly wasn't a problem when it was the AKA outnumbering and outgunning Kraven big time, after all...

I'll explain the electrolasers here. They're definitely even MT (though any reasonable fire rate requires nuclear power, or preferably, fusion, which is what I use), and work by using a laser beam to ionize the air between the weapon and the target. Then you use the ionized path to conduct a large electric charge to the target, basically a lightning bolt.

Thus, the laser itself does no damage at all; it's just for targeting and for ionizing the air. The damage is actually done by the electricity, and not by the laser.

The weapon does have it's limitations, though; even with fusion power, it can only have a fire rate of about one shot every half a second or so, which is why I havn't completely replaced the existing point defense suite on everything with just these.

The US experimented with these during the Cold War for the SDI program, and a smaller version is being worked on now as a sort of stungun by some US company (I can dig up links if you want).

Kahanistan, don't forget about my response to your attack.

Axis Nova I don’t think it’s trite at all. I’m not under an obligation to rp at a level beyond what I want to.

Firstly, the AKA has never been anything but hopelessly outnumbered by the legions of nation that have tripped over each other to go to Kraven’s defence, so I don't agree with your first argument. Secondly, it is my opinion that flying battleships which can fire massively powerful and accurate lasers at a rate of fire of 2 per second to shoot down Mach 7 missiles is way beyond PMT.

Thirdly, I didn’t destroy the thread in an OCC argument and quietly removed myself from the rp with no fuss, so I don’t see what the problem is. Also I removed myself ICly with a valid reason for doing so. Finally, though the technology level was higher then I preferred before now it has become even more unfeasible in my opinion. Going down your path will lead to an absurd arms race where everyone is fielding massive flying battleships having laser duels in low earth orbit which is certainly not what I want to do.

I respect your wish to rp like that but its not a level that I want to rp at.

Axis Nova I don’t think it’s trite at all. I’m not under an obligation to rp at a level beyond what I want to.

Firstly, the AKA has never been anything but hopelessly outnumbered by the legions of nation that have tripped over each other to go to Kraven’s defence, so I don't agree with your first argument. Secondly, it is my opinion that flying battleships which can fire massively powerful and accurate lasers at a rate of fire of 2 per second to shoot down Mach 7 missiles is way beyond PMT.

The flying battleships certainly are, but electrolasers are MT iirc, and certainly PMT if not. They were only 5 missiles anyhow.


Going down your path will lead to an absurd arms race where everyone is fielding massive flying battleships having laser duels in low earth orbit which is certainly not what I want to do.

Electrolasers won't work in space, so no fear :p

Even a few years back they had a laser that could slice through high carbon steel in a second... Of course it needed a huge power source and was bulky, but it still was accually quite amazing...

Hey, characterizing all my skyships under the blanket label "flying battleships" is uncalled for. I went into great detail about them and how they work, and the problems I have with them in the OOC thread for the Kraven attack.

Also, re Mach 7, even a normal United States SM-2 anti-air missile can hit something like that. Especially a ballistic missile, cause they're so big.

The electrolasers were played with by the US during the COLD WAR. They arn't for attacking aircraft or ground targets and I have no intention of using them in such a role.

I wouldn't even have bothered deploying them, except a few nations in this conflict are developing missiles specifically designed to defeat the armor of these airships-- so I needed to come up with an innovation of my own to counter.

I'm pretty sure I'm operating the only unit in this conflict that uses a laser as an offensive weapon. The Partisan, in keeping with its origin as Metal Gear REX, has a deuterium-fluoride laser in its crotch, which is designed to chop through sensitive areas on traditional MBTs, such as gun muzzles and targeting systems.

I, for one, don't believe high-output free electron and solid-state lasers are possible on mobile units even in a PMT setting.

You know, for the record, I wasn't even surprised when Hartman announced that Automagfreek would be sending logistical support to Kraven. In fact, I was even anticipating it, with all the nations against TKC. And according to the article on the NSwiki about Xirnium emerging triumphant, I think not. It seems that the war is still on.

And according to the article on the NSwiki about Xirnium emerging triumphant, I think not. It seems that the war is still on.

The Xirnium War was only a tiny theater of the wider Kraven War.

Edit: Haha.. just read it. 'Nukes for slaves program', I love it. :)

Kahanistan, a few comments on your last posts, especially the most recent.

Pray tell me how you think you can manage to ram my 'Sentinel' class SD, let alone board it? Your ships have been under fire for long periods of time by the 25 inch guns on each SD, of which I have four. The 3 Doujins I have area actually larger than the 1 Sentinel class, although they are similarly armed. Each has 5 batteries of triple 25 inch guns, and they also have smaller 16" gun emplacements scattered about the ship. These things are pushing 1,000 meters in length....

Since you have no SD's, my fleet engaged you at nearly twice the distance from when you were first able to engage me, seeing as the standard battleship gun size is 16". I would think a shell that large would have a bit more effect on your numbers.

Also, your ships have been under intensive missile fire, of which you have made no response to. You've made no post mentioning damages or even mentioning defending against them, and I have probably launched close to 1,000 assorted missiles already at your planes and ships.

My armada at least doubles that of yours, and with all that fire for all that time I do not understand how you can think you can get close enough to board. Not to mention you've now tripped my submarine defensive net, which is pummeling you unopposed beneath the surface of the ocean....

So far Kahanistan, you've basically been throwing large numbers of planes, ships, and missiles against me with no real organization at all. My forces on the other hand are well coordinated and organized, and have several layers of offensive and defensive measures. To put it in perspective, this is like the Iraqi army versus the US army all over again.

By the way, I'm not trying to sound like I just want you to roll over and die at the sight of my ZOMG MILITARY, I'm simply pointing out some things that perhaps you might have overlooked.

Also, if I ever don't explain something clearly enough let me know and I will do what I can to accommodate you. I think my level of detail has been sufficent, but if ever something seems fuzzy to you, feel free to let me know.

Er, Kahanistan, I'm bombing the city of Al-Quamar, not the city of Najaster. :)

Fixed, and for future reference, it's Al-Qamar, no 'U'.

Kahanistan, you're jumping the gun again.

In post 48 you make mention that my forces are landing. Nowhere in my last post did I say I was landing. Also, my ships are still some 30 nautical miles away from your coast, so I do not see how your 155mm guns can even fire upon them.

Hundreds, perhaps even over a thousand, bombs were dropped onto the Freekish fleet. Those that struck munitions stores or fuel tanks went up in flames resembling those of Hell and conveying images of damnation to the Kahanistan Air Force pilots who were attacking the fleet.

This is borderline godmodding, as you are RPing destruction of my own ships at the hands of your bombers. You are also not giving me ample time to RP interception of your craft.

Velkya, your forces seemed to have just come out of nowhere, throwing 'tens of thousands' of missiles at my ships. Pray tell me when your ships managed to make it past mine? They certainly can't be behind Zander's fleet, because Azrael's larger fleet is literally a stone's throw from him.

My commanders would certainly not miss a hostile naval force closing in on them, and you did not allow me time to RP acknowledgment of your forces, defensive maneuvers, long range fire, etc.

Velkya, it seems we're going to be at odds once again.

If you were viewing how the drones attacked Dwealfinda prime's fleet in the Kraven Conflict, they remain at cruising altitude (now 90,000+ feet due to the Arbiter II's improved engines) until they're nearly over their targets, at which time they drop their missiles. These drop to a zero angle of attack and fire their rockets on a nearly vertical trajectory. The drones followly closely behind. This enables them to evade the heaviest of antiaircraft fire while reducing the amount of time they are within range and also lining up to strike the superstructure and deck, as opposed to the thicker armor on the sides.

Next, the bombers themselves haven't even gotten into missile range yet; I'm curious how your missiles can engage them that far out.

I'm also curious how the same damn fighters you sent against me last time are still fully capable of engaging my upgraded bombers, which are flying at greater speeds and altitudes. Honestly, your concept of aerodynamics boggles my mind sometimes...

I never said how many ships, but it's reasonable to assume SOME ships were destroyed or severely damaged, it's really up to you how many 3500 kg bombs one of your ships, especially the SD's, can take before it sinks. You decide your own losses. Remember, I'm throwing 2,000 warplanes, half of the remaining air force, out and only 'hundreds, maybe over a thousand,' i.e. ~50% of the bombs are even hitting ships, the other half either missing or being shot down. Plus, you got to remember that those SD's are still the primary targets, and it takes A LOT of firepower to destroy one. Other ships are a secondary concern. Plus, the 155mm cannons are REALLY BIG and pretty much immobile coastal artillery, I think they have somewhat longer range than a normal 155mm cannon. (I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that many of the cannons were over 10m long phallic looking coastal guns.)

Normally, I tend to ignore the OOC thread for the most part, to avoid getting drawn into arguments like this.

Normally, I tend to ignore the OOC thread for the most part, to avoid getting drawn into arguments like this.

Not argument, clarification. So that there is no confusion while posts are being made.

I know I've stated that ships of mine have been not only lightly and moderately damaged, but also destroyed. I think so far we've both been pretty fair with losses, so that's not a real big issue.

I just want you to know that I'm the kind of writer that never leaves out a vital detail, and something to the tune of 2,000 fighters would not go unchecked. Also, I just want to make sure we are on the same page when it comes to cannon fire.

SD gun > 155mm gun

The sheer size of the SD gun gives it nearly 4 times the effective range of the 155mm, which fires around 18 miles. A gun that small for coastal defense is pretty much worthless in the NS world of warfare, but hey...use this as a learning experience. :)

I will... if there's anything left of Kahanistan after the war, I'll tear out the 155mm's and replace them with 600mm's and even 762mm cannons (metric equivalent to those 30" monstrosities you've been beating me over the head with.)

I will... if there's anything left of Kahanistan after the war, I'll tear out the 155mm's and replace them with 600mm's and even 762mm cannons (metric equivalent to those 30" monstrosities you've been beating me over the head with.)

There will be enough left to rebuild and carry on.

I must say, regardless of who is 'winning', this has been one of the more enjoyable wars I've participated in. So far there has been no major bickering that would cause the downfall of the RP, and even with WMD's flying around things have remained civil.

You're a pretty decent RPer Kahanistan, and you have my respect.

Agreed. I also like how you're being innovative given your resources-- so far you've been the ONLY person in the AKA aside from Velkya who has tried anything diffferent to attack my skyships :)

20,000 missiles Velkya? That's borderline godmodding right there, considering there's no real practical way to reload missiles at sea. Granted, supply vessels can carry more, but even for the most advanced fleet 20k is pushing it at best.

Also, I believe that in order to get to me you have to get past Kraven and Axis Nova assets in the area, which followed behind me.

Your fleet is also pushing it considering your nation's size and economy. 4 Super Dreadnoughts and 50 dreadnoughts? I don't know anybody that uses that many dreadnoughts, even some of the known 'naval powers'. There are nations that are larger and more economically sound that cannot afford to throw around that many ships.

I'm willing to fight against you, but this ridiculous number wank has got to stop.

Also, to avoid a dogpile (which I HATE) and keep it fun for those we are invading, I'm going to ask that the war against Kahanistan be limited to myself and him. I know this may spoil some the fun of the Consortium nations, but the fight against Kahanistan is developing too well to have it ruined.

I just want to make sure nobody has a problem with this.

OOCly i agree, and although ICly the Doctor would object i'm going to hold back anyway. I'll have the Naval Forces open fire, though no Imperial Troops will set foot on Kahanistan soil yet. Unless of course the Shock Legion is able to move in, at only 200,000 soldiers and 100 Ysuri they wont get in the way.

Either way, this RP is going great.

Also, to avoid a dogpile (which I HATE) and keep it fun for those we are invading, I'm going to ask that the war against Kahanistan be limited to myself and him. I know this may spoil some the fun of the Consortium nations, but the fight against Kahanistan is developing too well to have it ruined.

I just want to make sure nobody has a problem with this.

to be honest, I would have been at it from the start, but due to my internet connection dying on me, i wasn't able to participate any further until now (i'm at a lan party) hopefully by the end of the weekend ill have it sorted and will be back to regular posting, so i would like to continue my participation in this, as I ordered the extermination, and i can assure you, im not the type to ruin rp's

to be honest, I would have been at it from the start, but due to my internet connection dying on me, i wasn't able to participate any further until now (i'm at a lan party) hopefully by the end of the weekend ill have it sorted and will be back to regular posting, so i would like to continue my participation in this, as I ordered the extermination, and i can assure you, im not the type to ruin rp's


I understand your situation, but so far I have pretty much been handling the entire Consortium attack against Kahanistan, and I would like to finish it. It would also be breaking character for me to ICly allow another nation to swoop in and 'steal the glory' from Dreadfire's forces after I have come so far so quickly.

Perhaps the rest of the Consortium can move onto its other targets while I finish business in Kahanistan? I have no problem assisting in joint attacks against other AKA nations, but the war against Kahanistan has been all Dreadfire's so far, and ICly and OOCly I would like to finish it myself.

I understand your situation, but so far I have pretty much been handling the entire Consortium attack against Kahanistan, and I would like to finish it. It would also be breaking character for me to ICly allow another nation to swoop in and 'steal the glory' from Dreadfire's forces after I have come so far so quickly.

Perhaps the rest of the Consortium can move onto its other targets while I finish business in Kahanistan? I have no problem assisting in joint attacks against other AKA nations, but the war against Kahanistan has been all Dreadfire's so far, and ICly and OOCly I would like to finish it myself.

its a shame, but if you want me to pull out i will, it pains me to do so though, as the idea i had for the consortium was to work as a whole, a single entity, i didn't expect it to jump to 5 pages while i had no internet access

AMF: Didn't miss the post you TG'd me, just didn't know how to respond. :)

Well... this war is basically the culmination of the clash of ideologies of Kahanistan, which values freedom, democracy, and security, and Kraven, which values military strength, productivity, and profits. Since Kraven wants to destroy Kahanistan, they must view Kahanistan as the most dangerous member of the AKA, although it is by far not the most powerful (Velkya and possibly Yallak are far more powerful.)

I was throwing around the idea of trying to turn Kraven and AMF against each other in order to survive, though... and rebuild while my adversaries are slugging it out. I was looking for a post I thought I'd seen that said that AMF had been promised a lot of land or resources or some such by the Consortium in exchange for their support that I could use as ammunition, try to drive a stake of mistrust between them.

AMF: Didn't miss the post you TG'd me, just didn't know how to respond. :)

Well... this war is basically the culmination of the clash of ideologies of Kahanistan, which values freedom, democracy, and security, and Kraven, which values military strength, productivity, and profits. Since Kraven wants to destroy Kahanistan, they must view Kahanistan as the most dangerous member of the AKA, although it is by far not the most powerful (Velkya and possibly Yallak are far more powerful.)

I was throwing around the idea of trying to turn Kraven and AMF against each other in order to survive, though... and rebuild while my adversaries are slugging it out. I was looking for a post I thought I'd seen that said that AMF had been promised a lot of land or resources or some such by the Consortium in exchange for their support that I could use as ammunition, try to drive a stake of mistrust between them.


nice plan,

We don't actualy see you as the most powerfull AKA nation, sorry to damage your ego :P but you were randomly selected from our database to receive a wonderfull star prize. :p

Your nation was chosen soley for the purpose of making a point, that the AKA should have signed the treaty and should reconsider it, after your nation lays in ruins

As for Automags promise of land, he will get his lands, The Corporation upholds its word to allies

its a shame, but if you want me to pull out i will, it pains me to do so though, as the idea i had for the consortium was to work as a whole, a single entity, i didn't expect it to jump to 5 pages while i had no internet access


I know, but out of respect for Kahanistan I would rather refrain from turning it into a dogpile.

That doesn't mean that we can't go through with your vision against the other AKA nations. Perhaps you can actually use it as fuel..."for if a single Consortium member can cause this kind of destruction, imagine what the whole alliance can do" or something like that.

I know, but out of respect for Kahanistan I would rather refrain from turning it into a dogpile.

That doesn't mean that we can't go through with your vision against the other AKA nations. Perhaps you can actually use it as fuel..."for if a single Consortium member can cause this kind of destruction, imagine what the whole alliance can do" or something like that.

that is my intention, my ic/ooc mind is plottings at 300 plots per 1.2 microseconds, that is also partialy due to immense amounts of caffinee and lack of sleep... hmmm lanning

[Of course, many people would look at the name of the one Consortium nation who did that... :rolleyes: ... although, it still could work in many ways, the destruction of the nation might tell them something.]

~ Not Involved ~

Indeed, and considering since the AKA mostly was a shambles plus the IC/OOC Arguing/godmodding by both sides was what confined my efforts to protecting Xirnium, and since I signed my treaty it's provided me with the exit strategy I wanted so I have time to do coursework, (oh goody a small pile of 7,500 word essays what fun :rolleyes: )

Sorry I havn't been posting, I've been (and still am) really busy with some RL stuff. >.<

AMF, the whole point of this war is that it IS a dogpile. You want other countries involved to keep it a Consortium war and not an AMF war.

Also, I could see Kraven and possibly Bretton not hopping in further, but I've already lost some ships and on top of that have troops on the ground.

OOC: AMF, I have about 150 ships, including 5 SDs and 53 Dreadnoughts, that are firing on your fleet right now, please respond.

I have two problems with this.

1. You never explained how you managed to get past Axis Nova's, Kraven's, Psyker Bearzerker's, and other fleets in the area. Also, your fleets have been under attack from Bretton, to which you have made no response to last I checked.

2. You disappear from the RP for days on end, and by then Kahanistan and myself have made nearly a dozen posts. I'm not going to hold up this RP, and I'd imagine Kahanistan won't either.

The whole Kahanistan plan to get us to fight each other is, i might say, very interesting and I applaude your ingeniousness,

So I'm not going to reply that my forces are pulling out, until its kicked off so that we can have a bit of fun, It will certaintly be interesting, I look forward to reading how it develops (Although I might add, with a certain un-easyness)

Kraven, I'll be on MSN. I'd like to discuss some strategy.

so let me explain this?... no too much to explain let me sum up;

I have established a depot and airbase in Kahanistan

AMF is raizing Kahinistan's major cities

Kraven has landed on Kahinistani shores (begun attack?)

Bretton (and Kraven?) have been attacking Valyka's fleet

Valkya's fleet is being attacked by Axis Nova, Bretton, and AMF?

Please responed for corrections...

I have two problems with this.

1. You never explained how you managed to get past Axis Nova's, Kraven's, Psyker Bearzerker's, and other fleets in the area. Also, your fleets have been under attack from Bretton, to which you have made no response to last I checked.

2. You disappear from the RP for days on end, and by then Kahanistan and myself have made nearly a dozen posts. I'm not going to hold up this RP, and I'd imagine Kahanistan won't either.

1. I have already RPed my responce to Bretton's drone attack, which damaged the 3 carriers in my fleet. My fleet is still quite a ways away from the Consortium's, seeing as it is in the Rea Sea and you and your allies are still off the west coast of Kahinistan.

2. Well, I'm sorry I was gone, but personal issues take priority over NS, and I have read all the posts following my last.

The fleet of ships (headed by the Oured SD) that you attacked were my first wave. The second was en route, and was waiting at the mouth of the Red Sea. Once you attacked my first wave, the second (containing dozens of dreadnoughts and 4 SDs) moved in, integrating with the first and then moving up to attack you.

Also, the Posiden and her submarine fleet is very far from the action, out in the Persian Gulf.

so let me explain this?... no too much to explain let me sum up;

I have established a depot and airbase in Kahanistan

AMF is raizing Kahinistan's major cities

Kraven has landed on Kahinistani shores (begun attack?)

Bretton (and Kraven?) have been attacking Valyka's fleet

Valkya's fleet is being attacked by Axis Nova, Bretton, and AMF?

Please responed for corrections...

Bretton launched an air attack against my fleet, and AMF's battleships and SDs are engaging it as well.

But other then that, you've got it right.

(It's Velkya)

I've done a lot more than just raze cities. I'm 40 to 50km away from Najaster, his capital city. So far tens of millions have been slaughtered by my forces inside Kahanistsan.

How many troops are you sending in, anyway? I started off with almost all of the 9 million (< 1% of the population) Kahanistan troops in the nation except for a few thousand who had been deployed to other fronts at the time of the invasion.

I've done a lot more than just raze cities. I'm 40 to 50km away from Najaster, his capital city. So far tens of millions have been slaughtered by my forces inside Kahanistsan.

COOL!

sound like Kahanistan has to start slaughtering alot goats if he wants to get outa that.

Kahanistan, you asking me? becuase the only troops i've deployed are to my depot and they number 100,000.

Don't have that many goats. Besides, there are only a few pagan types in the higher General Staff. Anyway, I was asking AMF, he's the biggest threat.

Roughly 1.5 million, with 500,000 in reserve. Granted these all didn't arrive at once, they've been gradually landing over the course of time.

of corse he's the biggest threat. he is the bigest threat to most sentient life....

Kahanistan, since it seems that the most of the Kahanistani military by the end of this war is going to be reduced to useless, smoldering, piles of scrap metal and bullet-riddled corpses, what companies will you turn to in rebuilding her?

AMF, you have a TG concerning the Consortium Propaganda peice.

Don't know... I tried getting weapons from Roman Republic back when I was switching from PMT to MT... but they wanted me to wait some ungodly amount of time, I think about 20 years for nearly a trillion dollars' worth of stuff and even declined my order when I stipulated that the weapons had to be delivered very soon.

So they're out... DMG maybe, many of the weapons I'm already using can be found there. Any other companies you can think of that might be good trading partners and won't gouge me or make me wait?

Don't know... I tried getting weapons from Roman Republic back when I was switching from PMT to MT... but they wanted me to wait some ungodly amount of time, I think about 20 years for nearly a trillion dollars' worth of stuff and even declined my order when I stipulated that the weapons had to be delivered very soon.

So they're out... DMG maybe, many of the weapons I'm already using can be found there. Any other companies you can think of that might be good trading partners and won't gouge me or make me wait?

Can i suggest Imperial Military Industries?

Imperial Raven is a good line arter and can do some awsome commission work, although I don't know how your nation would feel buying weapons from a Consortium Member :D

I'll sell to you, I have alots of surplus armor sitting around that I don't use anymore. AMF, would this be violating our treaty?

Not too good, I'd imagine, given that we're outraged enough about the Consortium's abuses that we'll risk destruction to fight them. By the way, did you notice the post in http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455610 where I offer peace to the Corporation? The Corporation probably won't accept it, though, especially with what's left of Kahanistan looking more like Stalingrad, 1943, and less like the capital of a small developed nation.

I'll sell to you, I have alots of surplus armor sitting around that I don't use anymore. AMF, would this be violating our treaty?

While the war is going on, yes. Afterwards, no.

Not too good, I'd imagine, given that we're outraged enough about the Consortium's abuses that we'll risk destruction to fight them. By the way, did you notice the post in http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455610 where I offer peace to the Corporation? The Corporation probably won't accept it, though, especially with what's left of Kahanistan looking more like Stalingrad, 1943, and less like the capital of a small developed nation.

What post number

And AMF, the Command Relay isnt a man, its a machine, there are people monitoring it but its pretty much automated in relaying commands between units and demaning information from various parties, It doesn't care who or what Azrael is it just wants answers to questions arised by others

Post 43, I display 40 posts per page, so page 2.

Don't know... I tried getting weapons from Roman Republic back when I was switching from PMT to MT... but they wanted me to wait some ungodly amount of time, I think about 20 years for nearly a trillion dollars' worth of stuff and even declined my order when I stipulated that the weapons had to be delivered very soon.

So they're out... DMG maybe, many of the weapons I'm already using can be found there. Any other companies you can think of that might be good trading partners and won't gouge me or make me wait?
DMG Military Industries is a company I rely on, but I try to keep an open mind, so there are other candidates I like and I've used already or soon enough.

In order to improve relations with Automagfreek and his Gholgoth allies, and that your air force is outdated even by RL standards, try Tyrandis's storefront (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386625). Or Aequatian Military Industries (great ground forces FYI). Kriegzimmer Conglomerates (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787) also does a good job (see my comment on their products on Aequatio). But since you really are lacking in the naval department, especially on SDs (strange considering the fact you have a Powerhouse economy rating and a big defense budget), check this one out (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9915240). Hope I was of service!

Personally, I don't recommend buying SDs - at ~$250B a pop, they're basically a hideous waste of money. After all, for anti-ship work, you're better off using torpedos and missiles at long range (more accurate, longer range) and the gun size is large enough that they simply pass through smaller ships without doing all that much damage. SDs are mainly about impressing people; for real work, you probably want nuclear cruisers and aircraft carriers. (Or you could even go with what is known as the Bisonic fleet doctrine, and use an enormous horde of small missile boats, which is adequate and highly cost effective for a defensive navy.)

With Tahar Joblis being ICly outraged, it would be fairly easy for us to sell you some naval (and other military) equipment. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274319) If you're interested, talk to me further and I'll talk to you about what you should probably buy and roughly how much it would cost.

I would do a sudden "lease" right now as an IC power-play (ala Goeben/Yavuz in WWI), but I OOCly wouldn't want to step on everybody's toes by jumping into a closed RP.

Hey, Tajar Joblis you should step into A Passion Play. [/end enticement]

Regardless, so what's the update on the war? If Kraven is still under naval siege my navy is still running resupplies for Kraven, droping a ton of Kriegzimmer ordnance on them and hoping that they'll put it to good use. If Kraven is no longer threatened the blockade runners have ended their duties and the Macabee logistical aid to Kraven has ended - I really haven't kept up with the war thus far, but with Tahar Joblis suddenly popping into it I couldn't help but stick my really big nose into it.

Hey, Tajar Joblis you should step into A Passion Play. [/end enticement]

Regardless, so what's the update on the war? If Kraven is still under naval siege my navy is still running resupplies for Kraven, droping a ton of Kriegzimmer ordnance on them and hoping that they'll put it to good use. If Kraven is no longer threatened the blockade runners have ended their duties and the Macabee logistical aid to Kraven has ended - I really haven't kept up with the war thus far, but with Tahar Joblis suddenly popping into it I couldn't help but stick my really big nose into it.

Well the Origonal War has ended.

A new war is just unfolding,

Kraven has Turned on Automagfreek, and many nations have rallied behind him to destroy the Corporation...

Hmmm, Whats that noise... Sounds like a distant Tolling bell....

What a strange turn of events. Well, Kriegzimmer will continue supplying Kraven because Kriegzimmer has no allegiance to anybody, while the Empire is still strictly neutral. Does AutoMagFreek have some sort of fleet around you? I should also get more active in the thread, seeing as I would have to continue role playing my ships making their passes to your waters now that there is a new power against you. Where is the main fighting taking place?

What a strange turn of events. Well, Kriegzimmer will continue supplying Kraven because Kriegzimmer has no allegiance to anybody, while the Empire is still strictly neutral. Does AutoMagFreek have some sort of fleet around you? I should also get more active in the thread, seeing as I would have to continue role playing my ships making their passes to your waters now that there is a new power against you. Where is the main fighting taking place?

at the moment its just sporadic skirmishes in kahanistan, 3,000 Sardaukar vs 50,000 Sentinals and Various Kahanistani forces.

There are no fleets around or Near the Kraven Waters, and in fact the Ice sheet has now melted and Kravonika is in its breif summer months

Respond ICly Kraven, I'm attacking your tanks and APCs inside Najester.

Also, the Quick Responce Fleet (Task Force Yellow) is operating outside the battlezone and is linked with the Allied Union Satellite Identification System. Should any ships of non-allied orgin try to approach Kahanistan, they will be blown out of the water by aircraft from the V.S.S. Eagle's Claw,a Kestrel Class Ultra Carrier, which carries a little over 1,000 aircraft. Just warning you.

at the moment its just sporadic skirmishes in kahanistan, 3,000 Sardaukar vs 50,000 Sentinals and Various Kahanistani forces.

There are no fleets around or Near the Kraven Waters, and in fact the Ice sheet has now melted and Kravonika is in its breif summer months


Should KC put in an order within Kriegzimmer perhaps Kriegzimmer can stock it up during the summer months, maybe even putting two divisions worth of imperial overseers, who are 'strictly neutral'. It would give me a reason for supporting you versus AMF.

Respond ICly Kraven, I'm attacking your tanks and APCs inside Najester.

Also, the Quick Responce Fleet (Task Force Yellow) is operating outside the battlezone and is linked with the Allied Union Satellite Identification System. Should any ships of non-allied orgin try to approach Kahanistan, they will be blown out of the water by aircraft from the V.S.S. Eagle's Claw,a Kestrel Class Ultra Carrier, which carries a little over 1,000 aircraft. Just warning you.


yes i understand, i will get around to it but it will be tomorow, ill be going to sleep soon, i have to get up for work, and I live in england and its already late

Should KC put in an order within Kriegzimmer perhaps Kriegzimmer can stock it up during the summer months, maybe even putting two divisions worth of imperial overseers, who are 'strictly neutral'. It would give me a reason for supporting you versus AMF.

Cool, well we don't normaly buy off other nations, But perhaps you have some good AA systems we can purchase or SAM sites that have their own radar systems, but can mask their radar signature

at the moment its just sporadic skirmishes in kahanistan, 3,000 Sardaukar vs 50,000 Sentinals and Various Kahanistani forces.

There are no fleets around or Near the Kraven Waters, and in fact the Ice sheet has now melted and Kravonika is in its breif summer months


You're wrong, the fleets of Vidimir Breathstealer are still inside your waters, and with my next post they will be put back into action.

OOC: AMF, go on MSN, I wish to dicuss strategy with you.

Hey, Tajar Joblis you should step into A Passion Play. [/end enticement]OK, I'll go take a look... Regardless, so what's the update on the war? If Kraven is still under naval siege my navy is still running resupplies for Kraven, droping a ton of Kriegzimmer ordnance on them and hoping that they'll put it to good use. If Kraven is no longer threatened the blockade runners have ended their duties and the Macabee logistical aid to Kraven has ended - I really haven't kept up with the war thus far, but with Tahar Joblis suddenly popping into it I couldn't help but stick my really big nose into it.I'm probably not going to end up actually doing anything militarily... right now it looks like it's just going to be a big Kraven-stomp, and I can't find an IC justification for siding with Kraven Corp at this point...

Kraven has turned on AMF? people have rallied to destoy the Corporation? intresting so how are the sides formed as of now?

Kraven has turned on AMF? people have rallied to destoy the Corporation? intresting so how are the sides formed as of now?

Well, if I've been reading this right, militarily right now it's AMF, Kahanistan, and Velkya fighting Kraven in Kahanistan's capital.