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Lord of War's Order of Battle

The Lord of War
08-11-2005, 19:38
Ground Forces Order of Battle

The present structure of the LOW ground forces reflects its operational concept of fighting a local war under hi-tech conditions. The LOW ground forces are generally organized into a three-tiered structure: main forces, local or regional forces, and reserve forces and militia. The main forces are mainly composed of 18 group armies stationed across the country. They are intended to be available whenever necessary for operations anywhere in The Lord of War territory. The local forces consists of active and reserve LOW units as well as the People’s Armed Police (PAP) units, which had a secondary mission of local defense against external enemies. They are responsible for defense of areas where they are stationed and also shares responsibility for the internal security. The militia units would provide combat and logistic support to main and local forces in local defense.

The main ground forces mainly consists of eight service arms, including infantry, artillery, amour, army aviation, air defense missile, engineering, communications, chemical defense troops, as well as other specialized units such as medical, electronic countermeasures (ECM), reconnaissance and mapping. These troops are grouped into combined-arms group armies, each with three to four combined-arms division or brigades, and a number of combat support and combat service support units and subunits. The LOW ground forces currently have 4 armored divisions, 21 infantry divisions, 6 armored brigades, 27 infantry brigades, 11 artillery divisions/brigades, 12 air defense brigades, 10 army aviation regiments/groups, 1 anti-tank brigade, and 1 tactical surface-to-surface missile brigade.

LOW ground forces are also categorized according to their readiness and manning levels. Class-A units are at or near full manpower (over 80% of personnel and equipment) and capable of deploying without significant argumentation and training. Class-B units are maintained at 60~80% manning level, lack some organic units, and require more training and more time to deploy than Class-A units. Previously there were also Class-C units, most of which were disbanded, became reserve units or taken over by PAP. This classification mainly applies to divisions and brigades. Sometimes entire group armies may also be categorized as Class-A or –B, though the differences between two classes of GAs are much less evident.

Command and control for the LOW ground forces originate from the Central Military Commission (CMC), pass through the General Staff Department (GSD), and is exercised through a series of regional and operational headquarters including military regions, provincial military districts, garrison districts, military sub-districts, and local people’s armed forces departments (militia headquarters). The highest regional administrative and operational headquarters is military regions (MR). Each MR covers several provinces according to their geographical locations and is responsible for army, air and naval forces stationed in these provinces. LOW is divided into seven such MRS.

Each MR is commanded by a General or Lieutenant General, who is assisted by a number of deputy commanders, including the MRAF commander and the fleet commander (if naval forces are presented within the MR); a political commissar, and a number of deputy political commissars. The organizations of a MR mirrors the PLA’s four general departments, but in smaller sizes. Each MR has a headquarters, political department, joint logistic department, and equipment department. MR staffs are overseen by an MR Chief of Staff. MR ground forces consists of group armies, independent units (divisions, brigades, regiments, groups) that are directly controlled by the MR, province military districts, garrison districts, and local and reserve units under the command of provincial military districts/garrisons assigned to the MR.

Under normal circumstances, the movement of any but the smallest military units for operational purposes must be originated in the GSD at the direction of the CMC. In time of emergency, a temporary operational command headquarters known as Theatres of War would be formed to conduct joint operations involving two or more services. This ad hoc wartime headquarters would be formed around the structure of an MR headquarters, but could involve units from other MRs in response to the specific situation, and could be commanded by officers from a higher headquarters.

Provincial military districts are responsible for local and reserve units stationed in their provinces or autonomous regions and for mobilization preparations. Provincial military districts are commanded by a Major General, who coordinates closely with local government leaders and PAP forces in their areas. Military sub-districts and their organic LOW Armed Force Departments are responsible for formulating mobilization plans, organizing conscription, providing material supports, directing local and reserve and militia training, and work closely with local government and Party officials in liaising between military and soldier families, supporting demobilized soldiers, and conducting military educations in local schools.

Departments, but in smaller sizes. Each MR has a headquarters, political department, joint logistic department, and equipment department. MR staffs are overseen by an MR Chief of Staff. MR ground forces consists of group armies, independent units (divisions, brigades, regiments, groups) that are directly controlled by the MR, province military districts, garrison districts, and local and reserve units under the command of provincial military districts/garrisons assigned to the MR.


Naval Order of Battle

The Lord of War’s Army Navy (LOWAN) consists of five main service arms: surface combatant, submarine, naval air force, Marine Corps, and costal defense forces. Navy troops are grouped into three major fleets: North Sea, East Sea, and South Sea, which are strategically located. The naval air force (NAF) provides air cover for the surface ships and submarines. The Marine Corps and costal defense forces are stationed in along LOW’s coastline to protect the mainland and offshore islands.

Historically, the LOWAN’s chain-of-command was organized into four administrative and operational levels: LOWAN Headquarters, fleet headquarters, navy base headquarters, and operational units. Following the LOW’s force reduction and restructure programme, navy base headquarters ceased to function as a level of administrative and operational commands, leaving the navy with a three-level organizational structure: PLAN headquarter, fleet, and operational units. However, Haledon Navy Base was retained as the LOWAN’s only remaining navy base to command the nuclear submarine force.

The LOWAN is headed by an Admiral, who is assisted by a number of deputy commanders, a political commissar, and several deputy political commissars. Headquarters staffs, led by the Navy Chief of Staff, provide oversight and direction through the headquarters’ four major departments: command, political, logistic, and equipment. This structure mirrors the organization of the LOWGF’s four general departments (general staff, general political, general logistic and general armament). The navy is capable of fighting independently, or as a part of a joint operation that involves other services.

Each of the LOWAN’s three major fleets consists of a number of surface ship and submarine units, a naval air force arm, and costal defense districts. A navy fleet is commanded by a Rear Admiral, who also serves as the deputy commander of the military region (MR) in which the fleet is headquartered. Each fleet has a number of major and minor bases, airfields, logistic support and maintenance facilities, with its area of responsibility covering a major part of LOW’s offshore territory. The three fleets can operate separately, or provide mutual support to each other.

During an operation, surface ships and submarines from one or more fleets can be organized into task forces or groups of various sizes according to the requirements of the mission. While in peacetime navy ships are grouped into flotillas of a specific ship category for maintenance and training purposes. Each flotilla is led by a Senior Captain, and consists of two or three ship groups. A fleet normally has two surface combatant flotillas, a conventional submarine flotilla, a fast attack craft flotilla and a support ship flotilla. The North Sea Fleet also has a nuclear submarine flotilla, and the East and South Sea Fleet each has a landing ship flotilla.


The LOW Naval Air Force (LOWNAF) is organized into aviation divisions and independent regiments, which are subordinated to the three LOWAN fleets. Each division and regiment operates a number of aircraft for air interception, close air support, maritime strike, reconnaissance, and transport purposes. The LOWNAF uses a similar organizational structure to that of the LOW Air Force (LOWAF), with divisions, regiments, groups, and squadrons. Each fleet has one or two fighter divisions, a bomber division, and one or two independent special mission regiments. Each fleet also has a ship borne helicopter regiment with its helicopters assigned to a specific surface ship.

The marine corps includes a marine brigade stationed at Haledon Naval Base. It is similar to an Army field brigade in organizational structure. The coastal defense forces that operate land-based anti-ship missile launchers, anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) and surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems are normally grouped into regiment and battalions.


Air Force Order of Battle

The Lord of War’s Army Air Force (LOWAAF) mainly consists of five operational service arms: Aviation, Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA), Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM), Radar, and Airborne, as well as various support elements, research institutes, academies and schools. Operational units through out the country are organized into seven military region air forces (MRAF), which cover the same operational areas as the seven LOWA military regions (MR).

Since its founding, the LOWAAF’s chain-of-command has basically been organized into four administrative and operational levels: Headquarters Air Force (HqAF), military region air forces (MRAF), Air Force Corps/Bases, and operational units. Depending on the type of unit, operational units are organized into divisions, brigades, regiments, groups, battalions, squadrons, companies, platoons, and squads. Operational units can be directly subordinated to the HqAF, MRAF headquarters, or Air Force Bases.

The LOWAAF is headed by an Air Force General, with its headquarters based in Kento. The Commander of the PLAAF is assisted by a number of deputy commanders, a political commissar, and few deputy political commissars. Air force headquarters staffs are overseen by the Air Force Chief of Staff. The HqAF consists of four departments: Command, Political, Logistic, and Equipment, which mirrors the four general departments of the LOWA. This structure is then mirrored through the administrative and operational chain-of-command from the HqAF, through the seven MRAFs, to Air Force Bases, and all the way down to the operational units.

AVIATION

The aviation corps is described as the primary branch of the PLAAF and consists of five subunits: fighter, ground attack, bomber, transport, and reconnaissance. The largest operational unit for fighter, ground attack, bomber and transport aviation troops is aviation division, which normally consists of two or three aviation regiments and a number of support units. Reconnaissance aviation troops are organized into independent aviation regiments.

Aviation divisions and independent aviation regiments carry out operational missions either independently, or as a part of a joint operation with other services. Each aviation regiment consists of three flying groups and a number of maintenance groups, and each flying group consists of three flying squadrons. A fighter, ground attack, or reconnaissance squadron has four planes, and a bomber or transport squadron has three planes. Each division or regiment only has one single mission, i.e. fighter, ground attack, bomber, transport or reconnaissance, and there is no mixture of aircraft for different purposes in a division or regiment.

Additionally, there are also a number of flight schools and training bases, which are equivalent to an aviation division in the air force’s administrative hierarchy.

MRAF FighterDivisions BomberDivisions Attacker Divisions Airlift Divisions
Region
Kento: 3, 0, 1, 0
Nara: 3, 0, 0, 1
Luzhou: 2, 1, 0, 0
Junyan: 3, 0, 1, 0
Nunjang: 4, 1, 1, 0
Gunaba: 5, 1, 0, 1
Cheng: 2, 0, 0, 0
Total: 22 3 3 2


GROUNG-BASED UNITS
Ground-based units, including the AAA, SAM, airborne, and radar/communications have organizational structures similar to those of the Army, including division, brigade, regiment, battalion, company, platoon, and squad. Most AAA and SAM troops are organized into combined air defense brigades containing several AAA battalions and one or two SAM regiments/battalions, with the rest organized into independent AAA or SAM regiments. By the end of the 1990s the LOWAAF has also established few SAM and SAM/AAA divisions near Kentowaru to protect the capital city.
The airborne troops mainly consists of 15th Airborne Corps, which has three airborne divisions, each with about 10,000 troops. The radar troops are organized into radar brigades and regiments.


- Colonel Chien Fu Han
Military Intelligence Department
The Lord of War
08-11-2005, 19:58
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Banduria
08-11-2005, 20:04
This looks good and detailed. Nice work. :)
Sarzonia
08-11-2005, 20:06
This looks good and detailed. Nice work. :)OOC: Agreed. I might want to use this as some inspiration behind my own Army and Air Force Orders of Battle.
The Lord of War
08-11-2005, 20:06
OOC: I pride myself on being as detailed as possible....most times...
Banduria
08-11-2005, 20:17
OOC: I pride myself on being as detailed as possible....most times...
OOC: It tends to be a good thing, and appreciated in many RPs...
The Lord of War
08-11-2005, 20:48
OOC: Yup, so I've seen and read.
Omz222
09-11-2005, 00:51
OOC: I won't reveal what site this is taken from, but LOW, I think it might be in your best interests to take off what isn't yours.
The Lord of War
09-11-2005, 09:27
OOC: Take off what isn't mine? Hmm, you'd think the person who invented the Order of Battle outline would have thought that no one would ever copy his idea. You might not believe it, but over 23 countries world wide ahve copied the same order of battle, and have done so quite legally since its not classified or copyrighted information. So...Omz, your ignored, no offence, but...its just not copyrighted and thus open to anyones use. Why else would the government of the nation whose Order of Battle I used have it posted on the internet if it wasn't?
Omz222
09-11-2005, 16:18
OOC: Take off what isn't mine? Hmm, you'd think the person who invented the Order of Battle outline would have thought that no one would ever copy his idea. You might not believe it, but over 23 countries world wide ahve copied the same order of battle, and have done so quite legally since its not classified or copyrighted information. So...Omz, your ignored, no offence, but...its just not copyrighted and thus open to anyones use. Why else would the government of the nation whose Order of Battle I used have it posted on the internet if it wasn't?
OOC: The problem is that it isn't yours -
Copyright © 2002-2005 Chinese Defence Today. All rights reserved
Athiesism
09-11-2005, 16:25
Who cares? So sue him.

I think that too many Nationstate nations only care about equipment and think that troop skill and tactics are totally irellevant. I think that it'd be interesting if you talked about that.
Omz222
09-11-2005, 16:27
Who cares? So sue him.

I think that too many Nationstate nations only care about equipment and think that troop skill and tactics are totally irellevant. I think that it'd be interesting if you talked about that.
OOC: Err... I'm not talking about that. He is taking literally pages upon pages of copyrighted site from a well-established site and expects that he can get away with it as his own work.
Sarzonia
09-11-2005, 16:32
Who cares? So sue him.OOC: If he's taking copyrighted material from a well-established website, that website can very well sue him. According to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784670&postcount=7), if he were taking a NS player's work and passing it off as his own, it would be considered extremely bad form and Moderators would likely tell him to knock it off.

Users of Nationstates own the copyright to everything they post here under international law, assuming it's copyrightable material in the first place and belongs to them.

The legal section only grants the site's Admins the licenses they need to store your material and make it viewable on someone else's computer. 'Royalty-free' means you cannot charge them for doing so.

Were you to find someone had, for example, stolen your Nationstates weapon designs and used them in a movie or a line of toys, you as the copyright holder would still be fully entitled to take action against them. Putting something up in our forum does not remove your right of copyright ownership.
It's doubtful you could file action if someone went so far as to actually build, say, an NS-designed tank, because the description the user provides is not exhaustive enough for 'industrial application' and would require massive additional work on behalf of the tank-builder.

On the other hand, if another user steals your designs [and that would be either using images without your permission or reproducing large portions of text unaltered], that is simple trolling and bad RP. If you point the moderators at the thread, they'll tell them to knock it off.

Characters are covered by the same rules as technology; copying one directly and entirely is trolling. This does not, however, mean any of the four million people with characters called 'Riddick' could have any action taken on that basis alone; it's only if someone reproduces a whole character and adds nothing or very, very little of their own, and that character is actually theirs to begin with.
The moderation staff wouldn't take action, for example, if two people had Darth Vader because they both nicked it from Star Wars to begin with.

Quoting posts in replies does not require copyright permission, since the 'fair use' part of copyright law allows reproduction of copyrighted works for purposes of criticism or commentary.
Athiesism
09-11-2005, 16:35
People, why do you care? Is he harming anyone?
Sarzonia
09-11-2005, 16:43
People, why do you care? Is he harming anyone?OOC: I'm a writer. That's why I care. If someone stole my work and used the argument "why do you care? Is it harming anyone," I'd be livid. You don't expend time and effort into something and just expect anyone off the street to come in and use it. There's a reason copyright rules are in place in NationStates, and those rules are in place to prevent someone from taking anyone's work. If I came in and copied and pasted your work on your FT fighters and claimed it as my work, you'd rightfully have a case against me and I'd run afoul of NationStates rules, both official and unofficial.

Even if I create a design that's largely inspired by someone else's work, I check with him first to make sure it's not too much of a ripoff. It's called being respectful of your fellow players.
Chao Fa
09-11-2005, 16:44
LOW... Dude man quit ripping off from Sino Defence
half of the shit you wrote, order of battle, order of naval
the PAP, are diffinietly from the sino defence site....

could you come up with your own shit...
cause this is a disgrace.
Athiesism
09-11-2005, 16:46
Well, I can see why you're angry. I thought you wanted him to actually be sued or something. But if someone copied my work, I wouldn't care. I don't copyright anything. I'm a "people's writer".
Omz222
09-11-2005, 18:29
People, why do you care? Is he harming anyone?
The community could care less about a lot of things. But if they really do, then it won't be nearly as enjoyable today - and I'm speaking from a far greater experience.
Galveston Bay
09-11-2005, 18:51
OOC: I'm a writer. That's why I care. If someone stole my work and used the argument "why do you care? Is it harming anyone," I'd be livid. You don't expend time and effort into something and just expect anyone off the street to come in and use it. There's a reason copyright rules are in place in NationStates, and those rules are in place to prevent someone from taking anyone's work. If I came in and copied and pasted your work on your FT fighters and claimed it as my work, you'd rightfully have a case against me and I'd run afoul of NationStates rules, both official and unofficial.

Even if I create a design that's largely inspired by someone else's work, I check with him first to make sure it's not too much of a ripoff. It's called being respectful of your fellow players.

I have to respectively disagree with you on this Sarzonia. He has not directly copied it, and therefore it is not copyright infringement. In addition, its open source material and can be treated no differently than any reference. In an academic setting if he footnoted or at least attributed the source he would be fine.

As to copying military organization, aircraft etc that is extremely common practice in Nation States in my experience. Few players have the experience and knowledge to come up with an accurate table of organization and equipment for competent military organization. Copying an existing one at least indicates that its realistic.
Sarzonia
09-11-2005, 18:59
I have to respectively disagree with you on this Sarzonia. He has not directly copied it, and therefore it is not copyright infringement.OOC: But the problem lies in whether or not he directly copied it. If he did in fact do that, it is copyright infringement. Nor did he reference his original source by footnote or by citing if he did in fact take the text.

And what you're referring to in NS is more of a case of letting someone else's organisation serve as an inspiration for your own. It works well especially if your combat doctrine is similar to another player's. If someone looks at my naval organisation and draws inspiration from it and mentions OOCly that he borrowed it from me and tailored it to his own NS country, I wouldn't be bothered. If he took my work word for word except for incidental changes (such as changing NationStates country names), whilst keeping the exact wording unchanged, I'd have a problem with that.
Omz222
10-11-2005, 00:42
I have to respectively disagree with you on this Sarzonia. He has not directly copied it, and therefore it is not copyright infringement.
He didn't directly copy it? Browse through sinodefence.com and see for yourself.

Do I need to quote everything in sinodefence to prove the point?

In addition, its open source material and can be treated no differently than any reference.
... it's copyrighted. Bottom of the page.

As to copying military organization, aircraft etc that is extremely common practice in Nation States in my experience.
It is not the problem that he is copying the concept. I too, use the People's Armed Police in a manner that is very similar as it would be used in China IRL. However, the problem is that he's copying the written works of people about the military organizations and the concepts revolving around it, which is by the way, copyrighted as well.

So we can assume that news site x isn't copying from CNN just because it has the same article as CNN, virtually-word-for-word, while maybe changing '(CNN)' at the very front to '(inert news site name)'?
UNIverseVERSE
10-11-2005, 18:06
He didn't directly copy it? Browse through sinodefence.com and see for yourself.

Do I need to quote everything in sinodefence to prove the point?


... it's copyrighted. Bottom of the page.


It is not the problem that he is copying the concept. I too, use the People's Armed Police in a manner that is very similar as it would be used in China IRL. However, the problem is that he's copying the written works of people about the military organizations and the concepts revolving around it, which is by the way, copyrighted as well.

So we can assume that news site x isn't copying from CNN just because it has the same article as CNN, virtually-word-for-word, while maybe changing '(CNN)' at the very front to '(inert news site name)'?

That, and the fact that he claimed it was his own work, implying that it was all his own work.

OOC: I pride myself on being as detailed as possible....most times...
Frisbeeteria
10-11-2005, 23:57
Based on a detailed reading of this page (http://www.sinodefence.com/army/orbat/default.asp), it is clear that this is a simple copy/paste of another copyrighted site. In a few places, the acronym PLA has been replaced with LOW, but there are several instances where it still reads PLA. Other acronyms are left completely intact. Only one small portion which named 7 specific regions by name was actually removed from this document.

Using the concept of Order of Battle is fine. Using someone else's writing and claiming it as your own is not.
Who cares? So sue him.
It's not your call, Athiesism. Using copyrighted materials puts the site owner at risk. As one of Max Barry's representatives on this site, I therefore declare this thread closed.