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The nation of Biotopia is a proud country into the eleventh year of an Ecologist Revolution. We’re seeking to form an association of fellow Ecologist nations to strengthen international opposition and further the Ecologist agenda. Below we have provided an outline of the conditions for such an association;

Rejection of capitalism as a system that seeks the perpetual commoditisation of all public goods, the commons, cultural identity, local natural resources and even the genetic property of indigenous flora and fauna. Capitalism also undermines natural diversity and sustainable development by creating economies of scale that displace local communities and heterogenous forms of production. The capitalist system seeks the privatisation of gain and the socialisation of cost displacing the material excesses of industrialisation onto those existing in the marginal fringes of the economy.

The likewise rejection of traditional socialism; capitalism and socialism are both industrial ideologies, they critique who produces what but they don’t provide a means to analyse why or how goods are produced. Concepts from both ideologies don’t have to be completely disbanded because both provide valuable models to producing a just a equitable world system but neither can offer the pathway to sustainable development without the infinite exploitation of finite resources and production of chronic pollution to the detriment of all citizens.

Democratic governance is the only means to empower local communities with control over the development and organisation of the society and environment they inhabit. Democracy is a broad concept and the diversity of democratic options employed needs to be respected by all participant nations. The association should be a democratic organisation based on consent of the membership body.

Militarisation and aggressive war cannot be tolerated. Warfare undermines democracy and curtails civil liberties. It disenfranchises the majority to the interests of the military and directs resources away from the provision of services such as education, medical care and housing. An association of Ecologist nations should grant provision for mutual defence because an Ecologist state in its nature cannot afford to misdirect a significant amount of resources to the military against the need for basic public services and amenities.

A joint financing program should be created to facilitate the redirection of member states’ national economic development towards sustainability and alleviating the frequent reliance on foreign capital to stimulate employment and raise government revenue. For the long-term interest of all members trade relationships should be developed to facilitate interdependence and co-operation between member states while diminishing the influence of non-Ecologist investors and trade partners have in prioritising national policy.

Comments and suggestions please!

We thank our friends in Biotopia for their efforts. Upon preliminary reading, the conditions outlined are satisfactory for Ecopoeia, though we will withhold official support until we have analysed them in full.

Frank Chalmers
Speaker for International Relations (outgoing)

Ann Clayborne
Speaker for the Environment (outgoing)

I am interested in to import your agro industry, you have one rigth?, I believe the nations really interested in ecology has as a great advantage in their agro, as they nromally have nature cultivated food, more healthy and with less risk of increase the toxine charge in the human organism.

My apologies for any confusion due to the lack of authorisation on the above document, the Department for Foreign Relations is only a recent institution and the region of foreign relations was headed by the Constitutional Secretary under the Honourable Citizen Musa Washnee. All further correspondence will be conducted via my department.

I am pleased to see that the Spokespersons for International Relations and the Environment from the esteemed nation of Ecopoeia are in general agreement with our draft proposition. I believe it would fortuitous to engage the opinion of other nations before any concrete treaty is devised however we should not waste a prime opportunity to begin constructing the international foundations for a post-industrial world system. I would request your joint co-operation in passing on information about this proposal to any other national representatiaves you believe may be interested. As to the nation of Meridianum I am afraid that at present we are not interest in expanding our agricultural exports.

Sincerely,
Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

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The PDSRA commends this endeavour, and is prepared to back it. Please be aware, though, that we are a communist nation.

We are, however, a democratic, non-capitalist society, with a very small military and a non-aggressive foreign policy. Most importantly, environmental concerns are foremost in all government policies, alongside social ones.


Milenko Brasnic,
Secretary for Housing and the Environment, PDSRA

The People's Republic of Groot Gouda has long considered the environment a political priority. This idea seems worthwhile of support, although at this stage my government will not commit itself. We will try to cooperate on developing this further.

On that note, we would like to see a more positive point of view. We would prefer to speak about using the positive points of capitalism and socialism as opposed to the term "rejecting". We do not reject any form of government or production system. We do reject the consequences that in some systems might be more inherent than the other, such as environmental damage. But by using terms as rejecting, we might alienate nations that might otherwise be inclined to cooperate.

While We approve of, and share with, Biotopia's concern for the environment, We must respectfully disagree with their insistence on relying up on fallable human agency:

Democratic governance is the only means to empower local communities with control over the development and organisation of the society and environment they inhabit.

Democracy is all well and good, but do the trees get to vote? Do the fishes of the rivers, or the beasts of the fields, or the birds of the air have their say in the decision-making process?

According the the teachings of the HOCEK, protecting the environment is a Holy Duty, not the result of a popularity contest. We therefore enshrine environmental protection in canon law, lest "green" people be corrupted by greed and decide to abandon their original principled stand.

Official Statement from the Shahanshah

How futile, desiring to live as the cavemen did, in harmony with nature. O noble idealist, how so few of you realize it is a war we fight with nature, one we must never surrender. I, the almighty Shah of Parthia look with pity upon the technological wasteland of your nations as I look upon the prosperity of mine. My companies are free of environmental regulation, my economy grows, and with it, so does my power.

As my companies make money dumping their wastes into the Indian Ocean, and the smoke of factories cover the slums, I laugh at the thought people want to stop highly profitable and beneficial heavy industries. At least if enough of you are insane people, then perhaps my companies will make more money providing all the industrial products a backward ecocommunist 'paridise' needs.

-Shah Khosru III

To: Milenko Brasnic, Secretary for Housing and the Environment of the P.D.S.R.A.

Your nation sounds like an ideal candidate for membership. Biotopia has a strong experience with communist and socialist countries and once walked along the socialist pathway of development. Although we have no military ourselves we will respect the right of all peoples to pursue self-defence. We will call for a discussion on the establishment of a Charter in the near future and will send you communication of this event.

To: the representative of the People’s Republic of Groot Gouda

We believe that the initial outline of the binding concepts to our organisation includes such a provision; Concepts from both ideologies don’t have to be completely disbanded because both provide valuable models to producing a just a equitable world system but neither can offer the pathway to sustainable development without the infinite exploitation of finite resources

While we strongly respect diversity and the right for all people to determine their own path of development we cannot endorse solely socialist or capitalist states which simply attach environmental policies to their core identity. The ecologist community is neither socialist nor capitalist and an organisation of so-called ecologist nations cannot be confused with an acceptance of capitalism or socialism with some environmental policies. The ecologist system is free to borrow what each community sees as best from either or both systems and that is a right we will strongly support.

To: the representative of The Eternal Kawaii

I will first take this opportunity to draw your attention to the fact that we are not a human nation. The second point I will make is that democracy is entwined with real social, economic and ecology sustainability and is not an issue for compromise.

To: Shah Khosru III

Long after you have had your “victory” against nature it will be those who live frugally and close to the land in equilibrium with its carrying capacity who shall cast the flowers on the tombstone of your civilisation.

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To: Milenko Brasnic, Secretary for Housing and the Environment of the P.D.S.R.A.

Your nation sounds like an ideal candidate for membership. Biotopia has a strong experience with communist and socialist countries and once walked along the socialist pathway of development. Although we have no military ourselves we will respect the right of all peoples to pursue self-defence. We will call for a discussion on the establishment of a Charter in the near future and will send you communication of this event.


We will look forward to receiving it.

In the meantime, might we suggest a formal exchange of ambassadors, to facilitate diplomatic talks between our two nations? With your approval, Ambassador Mohamed Hajiev will be sent as our representative, and can attend any discussions on the creation of an Ecologist Union.

Sincerely,
Milenko Brasnic,
Secretary for Housing and the Environment, PDSRA

To: Shah Khosru III

Long after you have had your “victory” against nature it will be those who live frugally and close to the land in equilibrium with its carrying capacity who shall cast the flowers on the tombstone of your civilisation.


Official Statement from the Shahanshah

My civilization cannot die, I am a Persian, of Persian stock. Nothing has destroyed our civilization, nothing will, we survived for over 2,500 years with our great civilization. No one in Parthia believes those things, no one seeks to live like a caveman, anyone who once did has learned to reap the benefits of our culture and keep their mouths shut, lest we shut them for the fools. Nay, we tame our land, we make it so our people might prosper, so our nation may be wealthy.

We shall never allow anything else, for, it was domestication of foul nature that allowed us to grow crops in our beloved Eranshahr, it was the underground aquifers from the snow capped peaks that allowed us to build and grow crops in even the driest parts of our nation. Do you not see, we have tamed the semiarid plateau, we have made a garden.

How can anyone not see progress?

-Shah Khosru III

Your esteemed Ambassador Mohamed Hajiev and other staff will be housed at The Republican Hotel in the capital city of Zhaire at the governments’ expense. I would expect the conditions necessary for the establishment of national embassies to be completed by the end of December. Until then your staff are accorded full diplomatic recognition and their property and rooms will be respected with the standard diplomatic decorum.

Please use the following as a guide to information about the nation, our species and the primary native language.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Biotopia
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Pagnaan_Sapiens
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Biotopian

Respectfully,
Elected Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

To: Shah Khosru III
Your proud and arrogant boasts only serve to underline the blindness and corruption of material affluence. Industrial civilisation wallows in its own excrement and where you claim to have built a garden is only a stye for all the excesses and filth that accumulates from the point of a smokestack… Nothing lives forever, all things must die, it is the cycle and the pattern of the universe, remember these words as you choose to walk a path of gravel or a path of stone. – The First Book of Biotopia

Elected Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

We believe that the initial outline of the binding concepts to our organisation includes such a provision;

While we strongly respect diversity and the right for all people to determine their own path of development we cannot endorse solely socialist or capitalist states which simply attach environmental policies to their core identity. The ecologist community is neither socialist nor capitalist and an organisation of so-called ecologist nations cannot be confused with an acceptance of capitalism or socialism with some environmental policies.

With that, you're needlessly narrowing down the nations that can join or support this union. I agree with you on your views mostly, but I don't want to exclude capitalist or socialist nations that have many environmental policies. Because that would also exclude my nation and that's a very environmentally friendly one without calling itself "ecologist". That's no objection to consider this a worthwhile idea.

I appreciate your concerns and hope that you can understand our position, having been a socialist nation we feel strongly about not being classified as and having to make a definition that decidedly demarcates the difference between a socialist and an ecologist nation. It may be however an arbitrary matter of self-definition for governments to identity themselves as ecologist or otherwise. Perhaps if you can provide a description of why or in what ways your nation pursues ecological policies we can form a mutual recognition?

Perhaps another way to see the situation from our perspective would be to imagine yourself within an organisation of anti-capitalist states and discovering that it is being advised social democratic state be admitted (that is, capitalist nations) simply because they have “good labour laws”. This may be a step in the right direction but it’s not the same thing.

Your esteemed Ambassador Mohamed Hajiev and other staff will be housed at The Republican Hotel in the capital city of Zhaire at the governments’ expense. I would expect the conditions necessary for the establishment of national embassies to be completed by the end of December. Until then your staff are accorded full diplomatic recognition and their property and rooms will be respected with the standard diplomatic decorum.


We thank you; these arrangements are more than satisfactory. As per standard diplomatic procedures, may we inquire as to the name of the ambassador to represent Biotopia in the PDSRA? All foreign embassies in Ariddia (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ariddia) are located in a most pleasant area of our capital city, Rêvane (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Rêvane).

Sincerely,
Milenko Brasnic, Secretary for Housing and the Environment
Louis Jacobson, Secretary for External Affairs

To: our Biotopian friends, across an ocean, greetings. May the light of our brother the Sun and the bounty of our sister Mother Earth be upon you.

It was a day of joy and honour when we read your missive. Jauh, tetapi dekat di hati.

The government of the United Provinces would be most pleased to join with you and your sister nations in this endeavour. Certain regrettable events demanded our absence from world affairs, but we shall gladly join in the campaign to build a sustainable and democratic space of justice and peace for the earth and the people who walk upon it. Blessings be upon your people in all things.

Alvaro Pinto
Minister of foreign affairs
for the cabinet of the United Provinces of Tanah Burung

The United Kingdom would like to take this opportunity to express its tentative support for the proposals of the Biotopian government. However, there are concerns within Parliament that a codified “rejection” of capitalist or socialist systems would cause negative repercussions within the domestic political landscape – and to that end His Majesty’s Government is willing to discuss the potential for cooperative arrangements between the United Kingdom and the planned Ecologist Union. However, until such time as capitalist, free-market democracies are able to join without having to change their basic system of economy, the United Kingdom can only discuss relations on a peripheral and non-member level.

Emily Deveraux
Minister of Foreign Affairs

To: Secretary Brasnic & Secretary Jacobson - Ariddia

I have submitted the final nomination for the position of Appointed Ambassador to Arridia before the Biotopian Parliament which is expected to be vote on the nomination this coming Monday. It should perhaps have been pointed out earlier that under the current Constitution all senior ambassadorial representatives must be ratified by a majority vote in both houses of the Parliament. It is expected that the nomination will be passed, all relevant information will be forthcoming. Thank you for your provision of information about your nation we look forward to furthering our international friendship.

Respectfully,
Elected Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

To Minister Pinto – Tanah Burung

I send sincere greetings to the warm-spirited people of Tanah Burung and their representative government. We are generously happy to receive news of your gradual return to international affairs and look forward to once again having the world illuminated by the insight of your cherished nation upon international affairs. We look forward to growing a strong and mutual relationship for the perusal of peace, social justice and the environment through our preposed organisation of esteemed states.

Respectfully,
Elected Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

To: Minister Deveraux – Azazia

I wish to inform you that we have merely provided an outline our own general philosophy to indicate for other nations wether or not this alliance is compatible to their own domestic ideologies. There are however strict guidelines that cannot be transgressed, no capitalist, socialist or fascist state can be ecologist because they are all industrial ideologies, they cannot live without perpetual growth with means perpetual exploitation and threat to the environment. If however you mean to indicate your nation employs “natural capitalism” or some other ecologist derivative of an already established economic model then we believe some form of compromise may be establish.

We cannot however deliberately form an international organisation intended to embrace non-capitalist and non-socialist nations, to in effect be a life raft atop an ocean of pro-growth economies and the then purposefully begin to fill the lifeboat with sea water. We are however warmed by your curiosity and expression of interest but feel that you are yet to have made the complete process of evolution.

Respectfully,
Elected Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

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Announcement

The Eco-Democratic Republic of Biotopia ( http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Biotopia) is sponsoring an open convention to establish an international organisation of Green States. We prepose that the working title of the organisation be called the Ecologist Union; the agenda for the convention will be…

To draft a working Constitution
Develop and ratify a list of common principles

The convention will be hosted in the national capital of Zhaire (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Zhaire) starting on the 30th of November 2005. Further Information can be sourced in this thread. Please subscribe to this thread to participate in the following convention.

Elected Administrator Shujaa

Biotopian Department of Foreign Affairs

OOC: That link doesn't seem to work for me - are you sure it's correct?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=456385

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=456385

thanks!

ooc: possibly a bit late but...

IC: The NSAA government would like to offer it's high-tech renewable energy power supply systems to all nations that may read this. We can provide the technology for any nation to build enough wind, wave, tidal, and normal hydro-electric power stations to supply any amount of power needed. they will do some minor damage to the undersea ecology a short distance off your shores, and some visual pollution due to the placement of hydro plants on scenic waterfalls, and the placement of tidal barrages in scenic river bays, but we believe that this is justified in order to allow our technology to advance and us to develop more environmentally friendly power supplies.
anyway, any governments wanting such power supplies set up can ask and we will set up and maintain the power supplies for them, any ecologist nations can request the technology, and it will be supllied, on the proviso that it not be given to non-ecologist nations and that it not be sold, only freely distributed.