NationStates Jolt Archive

Here. Bicker here. Let's not ruin the RP anymore.

OOC:He attacked me/my ally, and assuming he is a good RPer, he will recognize that when you attack someone, you should always accept that they will bring what ever they have to bare back on you. That, and I consider PMT and FT the same damned thing, and people need to get over semantics. Also, shooting a mass driver into space, IMHO, is pretty much FT.

No Sorry, No FT,This is my Role Play centered around my Nation, im a PMT Nation that leans more towards MT, so im not willing to have Space fleets turn up, none of us are using space ships at all, and so would put you and the Anti Kraven Alliance at an unfair advantage, I have no capablility to take down Any of your ships, and i presume that other Kraven Supporting nations don't either.

Sorry but I'm laying down the law here on this, If you can come to some form of compremise, I may consider allowing you space fleets but purely in a logistical/transport Role.

Plus im not too happy about Soldiers running around with Lazer/plasma cannons

I second that.

No Sorry, No FT,This is my Role Play centered around my Nation, im a PMT Nation that leans more towards MT, so im not willing to have Space fleets turn up, none of us are using space ships at all, and so would put you and the Anti Kraven Alliance at an unfair advantage, I have no capablility to take down Any of your ships, and i presume that other Kraven Supporting nations don't either.

Sorry but I'm laying down the law here on this, If you can come to some form of compremise, I may consider allowing you space fleets but purely in a logistical/transport Role.

Plus im not too happy about Soldiers running around with Lazer/plasma cannons

I must agree on the whole FT thing as well. Just see if he can downgrade it to PMT and I am sure kraven will be fine with it. I dont want to tech wank. Also, while we are on the subject, my space assets include 50/50 attack spacecraft. To make a long story short, a high altitude aircraft carries a smaller spacecraft up to the edge of the atmoshphere. The smaller craft launced off the top of the carrier and leaves the atmosphere. It is capable of carrying a decent load of bombs that are customised for space to ground or space to space combat. By decent load I mean, one to four bombs or missiles. It is a close design to the recent civilian launch in RL. They are very expensive and I have a limited supply of them. Around 75-100 maybe, I dont keep detailed records of my armed forces. They were designed to be used in MT, and have worked in RL, but I would understand an aversion to their use, so it is up to you. Are they ok?

In any case, Imitora wasn't actually attacked, since he wasn't part of the AKA. He'd only be responding to an attack against me. Perhaps he could dial down his forces to PMT for this and redo his entry?

I agree with the Dumming down to PMT, then i am fine with it

As for the 50/50's I dont see why not, as no doubt to get an accurate taret lock they would have to come down into the atmosphere where ground forces can make AA/AS fire?

The Anti-Kraven Alliance had talked big... now the rest of the world would see if they could back it up with no eyes in the sky, no GPS satellites, no orbital cameras or godrod artillery, and no communications satellites...


Ya know, aside from ortillery, the rest can be easily rented from extranational sources, both private and government.

As for the 50/50's I dont see why not, as no doubt to get an accurate taret lock they would have to come down into the atmosphere where ground forces can make AA/AS fire?

Hmm I have never though over whether they would have to come down to et a lock. I am pretty sure they would not have to come down, but if you want them too for this RP they can. I mean they can duck down fire their payload and then go back up to evade missiles of worst comes to worst. Or perhaps they must come down unless they have a targetting satellite up? So they would have to come down until it was replaced... What do you think?

Hmm I have never though over whether they would have to come down to et a lock. I am pretty sure they would not have to come down, but if you want them too for this RP they can. I mean they can duck down fire their payload and then go back up to evade missiles of worst comes to worst. Or perhaps they must come down unless they have a targetting satellite up? So they would have to come down until it was replaced... What do you think?

Well, i'd go with the Sattelite idea, as if its based on an MT design, i don't think the targeting systems will be advanced enough to target small areas from such high up, I.E gun emplacments etc

So if your happy with the Sattelite idea, so am i and everything is good and sorted with the 50/50?

Ok I will go with the sattelite idea, unless anyone has some major objections.

On another completely different note, we should really... erm... organise this whole ordeal a bit more. OOC comments are filling up IC threads and there are like seven threads for everything right now. Now dont consolidate right away, but we must do it eventually.

Ok I will go with the sattelite idea, unless anyone has some major objections.

On another completely different note, we should really... erm... organise this whole ordeal a bit more. OOC comments are filling up IC threads and there are like seven threads for everything right now. Now dont consolidate right away, but we must do it eventually.

Agreed.

Question to all involved, The Actual War on Kraven will be started in a new thread as the Extermination is going to Continue while the War is being waged.

Ill leave it up to an Anti KC member to start it however.

Once that thread is up then we will consolidate. it will also act as a large OOC thread for General topics, but anything regarding the other threads will be kept in their out of character Threads respectivly.

All agreed?

Sounds good to me.

I dont think anyone should start the invasion until all the attackers are on the same page and have a ready form of communication. This will ensure that everyone stays "in the know", and we have a more effective push when we finally do attack.

Sorry, but that's too silly for me to take seriously. You're being ignored.

While threatening war over a few million in property damage is kinda petty, it hardly warrents an ignore, as there are a multitude of of possible IC reasons; everything from bluffs and posturing, to war mongering, to highly protectionist sentiments - I could list dozens, really.

In my case, however, you're being contacted by the legal department of a non-governmental association that represents the interests of much of my private enterprise. If you refuse to pay reperations, they'll take actions to try and make you regret it, but you'd have to do something alot worse than blow a few satalites out of the sky to make Kanuckistan go to war.


And the fact is that you started shooting at anything 'unidentified' in earth orbit; if that's not an open invitation for neutral nations to walk in claiming damage and demanding reperations, then I don't know what is.






Oh, and I'm curious as to how The Infinite Crucible's government got it's hands on private corispondance to Civitas Americae's own. Not that I'm ignoring the massage he sent in reply; he merely addressed it to the government, while the Merchants Association still considers it a private matter, and hasn't involved the government yet - no need to embarrass the Civitas Americae government by making a public specticle, afterall, if they're willing to be civil and pay for their mistakes.

Oh, and I'm curious as to how The Infinite Crucible's government got it's hands on private corispondance to Civitas Americae's own. Not that I'm ignoring the massage he sent in reply; he merely addressed it to the government, while the Merchants Association still considers it a private matter - no need to embarrass the Civitas Americae government by making a public specticle, afterall, if they're willing to be civil and pay for their mistakes.

My bad, just figured I would step in. I am sure his government would share the information as we are currently in the thick of it together. Mainly me just not looking at the target with any great detail. I wont pay if you dont want me to.

No Sorry, No FT,This is my Role Play centered around my Nation, im a PMT Nation that leans more towards MT, so im not willing to have Space fleets turn up, none of us are using space ships at all, and so would put you and the Anti Kraven Alliance at an unfair advantage, I have no capablility to take down Any of your ships, and i presume that other Kraven Supporting nations don't either.

Sorry but I'm laying down the law here on this, If you can come to some form of compremise, I may consider allowing you space fleets but purely in a logistical/transport Role.

Plus im not too happy about Soldiers running around with Lazer/plasma cannons

I have that capability, but only in my FT self...

OOC:
Imitora,
There is a major difference between PMT and FT. If you think of PMT and FT as the same thing than you really need to look up your facts.

My bad, just figured I would step in. I am sure his government would share the information as we are currently in the thick of it together. Mainly me just not looking at the target with any great detail. I wont pay if you dont want me to.

Well, it's an IC decision; on the one hand, Ms. Holiday is responsible to the various parties who have turned to her employer, the Kanuckistani Merchants Association, in order to recover their losses. On the other, you paying means that the guilty party gets off scott free, which would irk alot of people.

Not quite sure how I'll respond yet, should you mail the correct party.

In my case, however, you're being contacted by the legal department of a non-governmental association that represents the interests of much of my private enterprise. If you refuse to pay reperations, they'll take actions to try and make you regret it, but you'd have to do something alot worse than blow a few satalites out of the sky to make Kanuckistan go to war.


And the fact is that you started shooting at anything 'unidentified' in earth orbit; if that's not an open invitation for neutral nations to walk in claiming damage and demanding reperations, then I don't know what is.

We're willing to investigate claims, but would prefer that such take place after the shooting has died down. In the meantime, we suggest contacting Breckinidge Inc., the insurance company for military accidents, and filing a claim with them.

We're willing to investigate claims, but would prefer that such take place after the shooting has died down. In the meantime, we suggest contacting Breckinidge Inc., the insurance company for military accidents, and filing a claim with them.

Is this an IC response? :confused:

Ya know, aside from ortillery, the rest can be easily rented from extranational sources, both private and government.

True, but since those ARE commercial, and on top of that not directly under your nation's control, they're also not as good, wouldn't interface with your forces' systems as well, and of course be vunerable to cyber-warfare attacks. :)

Is this an IC response? :confused:

Um, yeah. Oops.


True, but since those ARE commercial, and on top of that not directly under your nation's control, they're also not as good, wouldn't interface with your forces' systems as well, and of course be vunerable to cyber-warfare attacks.


Which is why you use multiple (for redundancy) and allied.

True, but since those ARE commercial, and on top of that not directly under your nation's control, they're also not as good, wouldn't interface with your forces' systems as well, and of course be vunerable to cyber-warfare attacks. :)

True true, but in a pinch. I am sure however, that if you contacted some larger nations they would be happy to rent out sats, maybe the Resi Corp, which would be almost immune to cyber warfare. Still have some compatability issues though.

Also Axis, I responded to your attack pretty heavily, so please check it out. Pretty please.:D

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I could understand you not wanting me to use the laser array, so I will check it with kraven to see if it is ok with him. However, the technology itself is very possible. I have actually talked to physics professors about it and while they say the power drain would be enormous and the sats would have be alligned, it is possible. Having multiple ie 8-10 fusion reactors powering one laser provides more than enough energy.


Atmospheric dispersion of the beam would make any laser weapon designed to transit the full depth of the atmosphere impracticle; iirc, the beam would be hundreds of meters across, atleast - more of a dim spotlight than a weapon.



Axis Nova's bit about targeting data is kinda silly, tho, considering even modern commercial capibilities. Google earth, as mentioned, for example.

Hell, I remap the whole planet periodicly, just so I always have up to date maps freely avalible to my people and government; somthing I just decided to do a long time ago, and didn't consider it worth posting a thread about.

After that, you just have to have some experts go over the maps to pick out likly instalations and the ilk; it's very, very easy, all told.