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Saint Fedski
01-11-2005, 05:33
It has taken be quite a while and a lot of debating with myself and tons of researching on the internet for some of the ideas I have incorporated into my Armed Forces. I tried to integrate some classic, old, historic ideas with new, modern ideas and technology. My military is geared towards intervening in foreign conflicts and assault. Speed and mobility are vital assests to winning a war for me. In my signature, you can find a link to my Angelfire website dedicated to my military. I'd great appreciate some honest feedback on it and I welcome any questions regarding why something is like it is or why something is not there. Any suggestions will be carefully thought about. Thank your for doing this for me.


--Saint Fedski
Saint Fedski
01-11-2005, 08:11
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Listeneisse
01-11-2005, 11:23
I can't really speak about your Quick Reaction Forces because you do not specify how many aircraft your Air Transport Units have, but last time I checked, a Centurion and a Leopard 2 were not known for being extremely air mobile.

1. What is your airlift and sealift capacity?

2. Your Infantry "Brigades" are 1,440 personnel, which would normally be a regiment in most armies. Battalion: a few companies plus support, 500-1,000 personnel; Regiment: about 1,000-3000 personnel; Brigade: about 3,000 - 6,000; Division: about 6,000 - 15,000. Corps: about 15,000 - 50,000. Armoured and Artillery units are different.

3. Your Armoured "Regiments" have 100 MBTs and 120 IFVs, which would qualify it for a heavy brigade or a small division in most other people's TO&Es (my Armoured Brigade has 120 MBTs and 36 IFVs and 60 ATGM systems, for instance).

4. Not sure how many SP or towed guns, mortars or MLRS systems are in your artillery regiments. We have 54 MLRS in an Arty "Regiment," but will likely be renaming it a Brigade. We tend to use 18 155mm SP Arty (AS-90) guns in an artillery Battalion, which is what we give our Armoured Brigades, and form 90 of them into the backbone of fire support for a mechanized division. That's a lot of guns.

6. Not sure what you are doing in terms of air integration with the Army. I don't see attack helicopters, observation helicopters, light or medium transport helicopters, recon, or antipersonnel or antitank ground attack UAVs, as well as fixed-wing aircraft. You might want to be more specific.

7. Remember that air forces usually require about 15-1 or 20-1 ratios of personnel-to-aircraft in terms of crews and ground support personnel in front-line units, and about 35-1 to 50-1 (or up to 100-to-1) in terms of overall personnel in an air force for base operations, logistics, medical personnel, planning, meteorological services, etc. The more you spend here, the more lavish you can be, with replacement crews, an air force academy, etc.

8. In infantry, the term "troops" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troop) is unusual, in that it is generally a cavalry term. It can be applied to modern infantry, artillery, or armor, and its definition varies, but is generally a platoon-sized force (between 16 to 50 personnel) under a smaller company-sized Squadron or Battery (under UK parlance), or a company-sized force (between 100-300 personnel) within a larger battalion-sized Squadron (US parlance). At 500 personnel, your reserve "Troops" are about battalion-sized, and the "Brigade" is probably better styled as a regiment.

9. Take my comments about proper naming of units as simply feedback, you can call them whatever you wish.

10. Your reserve Royal Armoured Regiments seem to be somewhat double-sized or triple-sized for a typical Regiment. UK Royal Tank Regiments tend to have 44 Challenger 2's (see [url=http://orbat.com/site/agtwopen/uk_deployments_iraq.html]examples[/ul] such as Royal Scots Dragoon Guards and 2 Royal Tank Regiment; note that these regiments are turned into battlegroups (BGs) by also attacking 2 co's of infantry, a battery of artillery and a squadron of Royal Engineers. Consider calling them brigades instead. You also have to account for more than just the tanks themselves. You will likely need a few command vehicles for every squadron/battalion, command and communications staff, support (petrol, ammunition, food, misc. logistics) and vehicle maintenance vehicles and personnel, tank recovery vehicles and crews, etc.

11. You mention the 4077th Air Force -- and do not specify what it includes.
Southeastasia
01-11-2005, 11:32
I have one. Since Saint Fedski is surrounded by water, shouldn't it have a stronger navy? See Imperial Praetonian Shipyards for some decent warships.
Saint Fedski
01-11-2005, 14:49
I can't really speak about your Quick Reaction Forces because you do not specify how many aircraft your Air Transport Units have, but last time I checked, a Centurion and a Leopard 2 were not known for being extremely air mobile.
Criteria for the QRFs
1. Capable of being ready for combat in less than 24 hour's notice.
2. Infantry and AFVs (excluding main battles tanks) are relatively lightly armed for extra mobility and speed.
3. Main battles tanks capable of supporting the light infantry.
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The QRF's are generally the first forces to deployed to an area in a time of war. The main battle tanks need not be air transportable do to the fact that the QRF's are accompanied by selected individual ships. Also the C-5 Galaxies are capable of carrying a couple main battle tanks.

1. What is your airlift and sealift capacity?
Airlift Capacity for 1QRF = 6134 soldiers or 1,022,000 pounds of cargo
Airlift Capacity for 2QRF = 6668 soldiers or 1,604,000 pounds of cargo
Airlift Capacity for I Corps = 13,244 soldiers or 6.952 million pounds of cargo
Airlift Capacity for II Corps = 16,504 soldiers or 7.644 million pounds of cargo
Airlift Capacity for III Corps = 13,244 soldiers or 6.952 million pounds of cargo
Airlift Capacity for AF (troops) = 19,015 passengers (soldiers and officers) or 60.966 billion pounds of cargo
**These are roughly calculated estimates. The Air Force has 2 wings dedicated to troop transport and 1 dedicated to cargo. The calculations are for the specific load only.

2. Your Infantry "Brigades" are 1,440 personnel, which would normally be a regiment in most armies. Battalion: a few companies plus support, 500-1,000 personnel; Regiment: about 1,000-3000 personnel; Brigade: about 3,000 - 6,000; Division: about 6,000 - 15,000. Corps: about 15,000 - 50,000. Armoured and Artillery units are different.
I base my calculations roughly on the organization of the Canadian Army in WW2. Twisted some of the numbers little, but its roughly based on that.
Infantry
Fireteam - 5 soldiers
Squad - 2 Fireteams
Platoon - 3 squads
Company - 4 platoons
Troop (Battalion) - 5 companies
Brigade - 3 troops (battalions)
Infantry Division - 4 brigades
Armour
Squadron - 20 tanks
Reigment - 5 squadrons
Armoured Brigade - 4 regiments, Armoured Infantry Brigade (same as regular infantry)
Armoured Division - 2 armoured brigades, 2 infantry brigades

Corps - 1 armoured division, 2 infantry divisions (minimum)
Army - multiple corps
Army Group - multiple armies
Task Force - 1 part navy, 1 part air force, 1 part army (could be as little as 1 ship, 1 squad and 1 squadron or as large as 200 ships, 2 army groups and an entire air command...or larger)

3. Your Armoured "Regiments" have 100 MBTs and 120 IFVs, which would qualify it for a heavy brigade or a small division in most other people's TO&Es (my Armoured Brigade has 120 MBTs and 36 IFVs and 60 ATGM systems, for instance).

4. Not sure how many SP or towed guns, mortars or MLRS systems are in your artillery regiments. We have 54 MLRS in an Arty "Regiment," but will likely be renaming it a Brigade. We tend to use 18 155mm SP Arty (AS-90) guns in an artillery Battalion, which is what we give our Armoured Brigades, and form 90 of them into the backbone of fire support for a mechanized division. That's a lot of guns.
The number of guns has been left blank pending more research. They are mainly there to show that they will be there eventually.

6. Not sure what you are doing in terms of air integration with the Army. I don't see attack helicopters, observation helicopters, light or medium transport helicopters, recon, or antipersonnel or antitank ground attack UAVs, as well as fixed-wing aircraft. You might want to be more specific.
Each unit, whether its a Corps or a QRF, has its own ground attack force. For instance, I Corps has the 1st Tactical Army Air Force which contains 50 A-10 Thunderbolts, 100 AMX F/Bs, 100 F-104G Starfighters and 30 Defender 500 Helicopters. Albeit the Starfighters are a little outdated Air Superiority Aircraft, but it will take money to replace them and money is a little short right now. In the case of the QRFs, they have "Air Commands" which contain ground attack aircraft (including helicopters).

7. Remember that air forces usually require about 15-1 or 20-1 ratios of personnel-to-aircraft in terms of crews and ground support personnel in front-line units, and about 35-1 to 50-1 (or up to 100-to-1) in terms of overall personnel in an air force for base operations, logistics, medical personnel, planning, meteorological services, etc. The more you spend here, the more lavish you can be, with replacement crews, an air force academy, etc.
Currently, Air Force Proper has 67,460 personnel for 2022 aircraft, which is rougly 33 personnel per aircraft. Replacement crews and airforce academy will be included in the training wing when I get around to setting that up.

8. In infantry, the term "troops" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troop) is unusual, in that it is generally a cavalry term. It can be applied to modern infantry, artillery, or armor, and its definition varies, but is generally a platoon-sized force (between 16 to 50 personnel) under a smaller company-sized Squadron or Battery (under UK parlance), or a company-sized force (between 100-300 personnel) within a larger battalion-sized Squadron (US parlance). At 500 personnel, your reserve "Troops" are about battalion-sized, and the "Brigade" is probably better styled as a regiment.
Guilty as charged, I was just trying to change things up a little. It's just a little generic following the US Army Pattern most other people seem to follow.

9. Take my comments about proper naming of units as simply feedback, you can call them whatever you wish.

10. Your reserve Royal Armoured Regiments seem to be somewhat double-sized or triple-sized for a typical Regiment. UK Royal Tank Regiments tend to have 44 Challenger 2's (see [url=http://orbat.com/site/agtwopen/uk_deployments_iraq.html]examples[/ul] such as Royal Scots Dragoon Guards and 2 Royal Tank Regiment; note that these regiments are turned into battlegroups (BGs) by also attacking 2 co's of infantry, a battery of artillery and a squadron of Royal Engineers. Consider calling them brigades instead. You also have to account for more than just the tanks themselves. You will likely need a few command vehicles for every squadron/battalion, command and communications staff, support (petrol, ammunition, food, misc. logistics) and vehicle maintenance vehicles and personnel, tank recovery vehicles and crews, etc.
In the CDN Army of WW2, they had 19 tanks in a Squadron and 3 Squadrons in a regiment...so I decided to beef it up a little. I added a tank to the squadrons and added a squadron to the regiment. There were also 3 regiments in a brigade but I kept it at 2.

11. You mention the 4077th Air Force -- and do not specify what it includes.
I was planning on calling the Air Force the 4077th but decided to call it the Holy Air Force and have not publicized my update.

I greatly appreciate the time it took you to write your message and pending your review of my numbers in relation to point #1, I will probably make the necessary changes. I always appreciate good help. :)
Saint Fedski
01-11-2005, 14:51
I have one. Since Saint Fedski is surrounded by water, shouldn't it have a stronger navy? See Imperial Praetonian Shipyards for some decent warships.
Well if you look at the map, the blue represents water and the unmarked area outside of the Holy Empire is another nation or two or three or something. My Navy is currently being expanded as you can see by the amount of red on the list.
Thank you for taking the time to review it.
Southeastasia
01-11-2005, 15:02
Will you be buying from Imperial Praetonian Shipyards (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422657)? I recommend so. I'm consider of reforming my military after the war I'm in is finished.
Saint Fedski
01-11-2005, 15:08
Currently, I hold 100,000 shares of DMG military industries am privately working on a civilian storefront that may incoporate DMG civil industries. However, relations may be a little strained due DMG's support of Kraven and our stance against them. If things go down the tubes, I will probably turn to IPS, although they seem to be Po-Mo (post modern) and I'm current/modern but on second look they only appear slightly po-mo so it may not be that bad. I will consider it though.
Southeastasia
01-11-2005, 15:32
Ok, now that I see that IPS has been temporarily closed, talk to the world-famous, Sarzonian shipbuilders at Portland Iron Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=404832).
Saint Fedski
01-11-2005, 15:36
Shortly, my engineers will be designing their own ships and contracting production out, probably to DMG, but like I said, if they continue to support Kraven I may take my business elsewhere.
Southeastasia
01-11-2005, 16:16
Their (PIW) executive yacht and executive submarine should be useful to your national leader of present and in the future. Give it a shot!
Saint Fedski
02-11-2005, 06:13
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Southeastasia
02-11-2005, 11:44
Well, I suggest that if you want to increase your chances of Sarzonia accepting your membership into the Woodstock Pact, try out Portland Iron Works.
Southeastasia
03-11-2005, 09:21
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Southeastasia
04-11-2005, 09:17
Well, I suggest that if you want to increase your chances of Sarzonia accepting your membership into the Woodstock Pact, try out Portland Iron Works.
Well?