NationStates Jolt Archive

A Past World is a role playing community which focuses on world politics, culture and society beginning in the year 1945. However, there is a certain element of difference in APW from standard role plays which 'pick up' at a certain year, and that is that the history prior to 1945 is not necessarilly the same as that of the real life. There are some standard omissions in this role play from true history, for example, neither the first world war or the second world war begun, which does create room for argument on how exactly accurate it would be to depict certain things, and it would throw back certain histories, such as even the history of decolonization, however, regardless, that would be left for role playing anyways. Each nation also has the right to alter his/her history of the nation chosen from 1905 as long as he/she takes in mind previous claims and the story coincides.

The idea of A Past World originates within certain player's experiences within another role playing community called A Modern World. The original idea of the community [APW] was proposed by Truitt, who unfortunately didn't have enough time to carry through, but nonetheless his idea continues to thrive. The actual idea that is the supports of this community was proposed by Quintonnia [Drapol, or no Drapol?].

All populations are actual for that timeframe, as opposed to using nationstates populations, and we strive for a certain element of realism, namely army sizes and politics and such. Saying such, one's history should make sense, even after beginning to role play and things should be interconnected. Moreover, APW strives for a more wide range of role playing. In other words, not just war, but role playing that is purely economical or political, or even cultural if one was to go that far. This does require good roleplaying, but we're generally open about that, and we work with you.

If you want to join first look at the claims list underneath this post, which will be almost constantly updated, including population numbers, maps, et cetera. Then, choose a nation that hasn't been chosen and we'll work with you to fill you in on fine points of the history, so that you can make your own ultimate history sorrounding that, and your ultimate decision concerning that nation. We'll also need at least five role playing examples, unless you only have a few and you're obviously very good. As far as new people go, we're always open to widening the role playing base, and we would be happy to have you with us!

If you plan to be an active member please consider joining the APW (http://s14.invisionfree.com/a_past_world/) boards, which will provide out of character information, such as histories, OOC discussions, et cetera, even though all of the role playing will be done on the Jolt forums. Thank you for your continued interest.

Claims, Populations et Mapa Mundii


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Caladonn :: The United States of America
Estimated Population [1945]: 150,000,000
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Hailandkill :: Kingdom of Norway-Sweden [w/ Danish Islands and Iceland]
Estimated Population [1945]: 10,000,000
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Jagonia :: Kingdom of Austria-Hungary
Estimated Population [1945]: 52,000,000
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Kordo :: Persia
Estimated Population [1945]: 28,000,000
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Lanchenburg :: Benelux [Netherlands and Luxembourg]
Estimated Population [1945]: 17,000,000 [?]
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Saint Alpha :: Ottoman Empire [with Bulgaria and Greece]
Estimated Population [1945]: 31,700,000
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Spizania :: Russia
Estimated Population [1945]: 150,000,000
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Tenocilan :: Portugal
Estimated Population [1945]: 11,000,000
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The Macabees :: The French Empire
Estimated Population [1945]: 60,000,000 [?]
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Philanchez :: Spain
Estimated Population [1945]: 30,000,000 [?]
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Verstermmelung :: Italy
Estimated Population [1945]: 40,000,000
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Vietnamexico :: The German Empire [w/ Eastern Hungary and Romania]
Estimated Population [1945] :: 67,000,000
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List of Threads

Key:
Black: Thread.
Red: Over fifty posts.
Blue:Over one hundred posts.


The Grand Empire (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9862100#post9862100)
Italian History (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451926)
The Ottoman Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451927)
A Spring Campaign (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9878337#post9878337)
The Patchwork Empire (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452318)

Claims: The Austro-Hungarian Empire
Map: [Soon-to-come]
Estimated Population: 50,000,000 {?}
History: By 1910, the Hapsburg Monarchy's heir to the throne, Franz Ferdinand continued with his plans to bring the Croatian nobility into the government and thus make the Duel-Monarchy a Triple-Monarchy. Francis Joseph, under pressure of his son and rumors of threats against his life by his son, abdicated from the throne and handed it over to Francis Ferdinand. Upon acension to the throne, Francis Ferdinand began radical campaign of reformations. He immiedately began contacting the Croatians about bringing them into the Monarchy, and thus irritated the Hungarians whom were unwilling to give up any power they had. This irritation bled over into the military--primarily Hungarian troops and officers.

In May 1911 Austro-Hungarian troops invaded the nation of Montegenro in an attempt to lay claim to the land. Though, due to the dissent from internal issues and massive pressure from other imperial European powers. When the Ottoman Empire, Italy, and Romania all declared war on Austro-Hungary and moblized; Francis Ferdinand immiedately retreated from Montegenro surrendering most of the armies officers to the Montegenrian people to stand for 'war crimes' while paying overwhelming amounts of money to Montegenro. During the retreat, two military officers a Colonel Lajos and Colonel Huszar took their Hungarian soldiers and the few officers who escaped war crimes and went into open rebellion against the Hapsburgs in the province of Hungary. On northwest Hungary, partisan revolutionaries rose up against the Hapsburg as well. At first Francis Ferdinand attempted peace with the rebels, showing weakness. The rebels refused and soon more began to join the Hungarian Nationalists. Francis Ferdinand soon after went insane, or so it is beleived, when he began to send orders to military officers to abandon certain provinces. He began to make plans to sell most of the empire to foreign powers while on retaining Austria proper for the Austrian Empire. A Rear-Admiral Heinrich Klaus heard about this and gaining support of the military forces in Austria launched a coup against the Hapsburgs. In a string of murders, Francis Ferdinand was killed along with most of the Hapsburgs--save a few that fled to Italy.

With the falls of the Hapsburg, most of the Hungarian Nationalists scattered and returned home. The die-hard Nationalists remained and the Austrian forces fell upon them in all fronts and by the end of 1911 utterly destroyed them. Though during this time the Austro-Hungarian Empire was invaded by the Ottoman Empire from Kosovo, taking the Slavic province of Bosnia. Due to their weakened state, Austro-Hungary couldn't counter the Ottomans. Not with Germany taking the province of Bohmia (modern day Czech Republic). With the Duel-Monarchy rapidly falling apart, Rear-Admiral Heinrich Klaus rallied the Slavs, Hungarians, and Austrians together and called for reason.

This reason came in the form in a change of government, an Aristocracy. The Hungarian nobility would assume control of the Empire as Head-of-State. The Austrian nobility would be in command as Dukes and Lords of all the provinces, not only the Austrian but Slav and Hungarian provinces. At the same time the Croatian nobility would assume the role of Prime Minister, and form a domestic government. This Aristocracy with the each of the peoples (Austrian-Hungarian-Slav) ensured that all has equal representation and this actions stopped the decline of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

By 1915 the Aristocracy was rebuilding the nation after loosing Bohmia to the Germans and Bosnia to the Ottomans. Industralization of the Empire was underway as Hungary went from a primarily rural province to an an important and industralized portion of the Empire. While hundreds of factories popped up across Croatia and Austria. The Aristocracy was growing more powerful. The military was rebuilt and due to the influence of the Austrian nobility the offical language of the Military became Austrian, and all soldiers were forced to learn Austrian. This eliminating the problem of mutliple languages.

During the 1920s the Aristocracy saw an unprecedented amount of economic and military growth as the old internal problems were rooted out and the Duel-Monarchy could increase their strength. In July 1928, the Austro-Hungarian Empire after permitting years of German rule over Bohmeia launched a massive offensive against the province. This sparked the Austro-German War of 1928. A war that last two years and ended in a stalemate with about a hundred and forty thousand dead on both sides, though in the end Bohmia was split by the two Imperial forces.

After the stalemate with Germany ended, the Aristocracy was rejoicing, even though not all of Bohemia was returned--half of it was and that was enough in the eyes of the Slavs, Austrians, and Hungarians. The next force to take revenege on was the Ottomans. In 1932, Austrian forces invaded Bosnia in a three-pronged attack which quickly pushed the Ottomans out of Bosnia but the war quickly degraded into a stalemate as Austrian troops attempted to invade Kosovo while respecting the neutrality of Serbia and Montegenero. At the end of 1932 (August) Austro-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire made peace and Bosnia was returned at the cost of 25 million dollars.

For the remainder of the 1930s the Aristocracy heavy industralized Bosnia, bringing it up to the standards of the rest of the Empire. It was not until 1936that Austro-Hungary that the Aristocracy abandoned that name in favor of the the Austrian Empire. It was also in 1936 where the Austrian Empire began a large amount of reforms for their military, in terms of modernization. Austria had little respect for the tank, but had a lot of respect for the air plane and that is where most of the budget was focused. By 1940 Austria had a large air force that was modernized, though at the same time it neglicated its ground forces and had only a handful of obsolete tanks.

By 1945 the Austrian Empire stood as a powerful force in Europe. Though eyes from Russia, Germany, Italy, and the Ottoman Empire were ever upon the lands of Austria.

OOC: Id like to claim the Russian Empire, il get my full claim up here in hte next half hour or so

Argh, you should have put down the claim first, now I feel bad. I think sombody claimed Austria-Hungary in the idea thread.

Ah. Well too bad...um...give me China. I'll write the history soon I just want it now. Please.

Ah. Well too bad...um...give me China. I'll write the history soon I just want it now. Please.

China is debated between O&I and Sharina as of now.

Erm...I better shoot low then. SRI LANKA! J/K.

Give me um....Sweden [w/Finland].

Erm...I better shoot low then. SRI LANKA! J/K.

Give me um....Sweden [w/Finland].


You can try Finland; if Norway is going with my old history, it's the Kingdom of Norway and Sweden [with parts of Denmark and Greenland].

Ok then, I'll go with Finland. Could I also have a link to the Idea thread so I can write my history.

Ok then, I'll go with Finland. Could I also have a link to the Idea thread so I can write my history.


Great! Just write it here.

Unfortunatley as of 1905 i believe Finland was designated "The Grand Duchy of Finland" and was part of the Russian Empire, itonly got its independance s of 1917 when the revolution happened, but that wont happen in this history

I see. Well...um...I am already assured if China is gone so is Japan and with it Korea.

What about the Ottoman Empire, Italy, or Portugal?

Claims: http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6233/russianempire2567bp.png (Think thats right, not sure about Poland)
Name: The Russian Empire
History:
By 1910 the Russian empire was the largest in the and boasted a popualtion of 128 200 000 people, mostly in the European parts of the empire.
The Empire spans from the volcanic Pacific coast, across the frozen wastelands to the fertile Ukraine and the oilfields of the Bosphorous, that year and unknown man named Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov was tried and executed of treason and hte communists were crushed after they attempted to take the pison inwhich he was to be executed, a single engagement outside moscow annihalted the Bolshevik army with only a dozen Imperial Casualties, only one of them fatal.
After this hte empire began a process of massive programme of armaments readying itself to be unleashed upon the unsuspecting west. the size of the army increased massively, the navy was brought up to speed, the arifore was equiped with modern monoplanes of several types.
And then the war came in 1929, exactly where it was predicted, the Prussians attacked the Emprie and headed towards St Peterburg, they defeated the Army of Finland outside Riga, they were only stopped when fifteen thousand Cossaks ambushed adn annihalated them within sight of St Peterburg, the Prussians sued for peace three days later, they paid fifteen million dollars in reperations.

Now the Empire Stands at a crossroads, its popualtion was growing fasta dn it needed to expand into the fertile lands of Europe and South East Asia.. The Armies of the Empire are ready, they await only the command...

[OOC: Im going to make my claims as follows: Sweden, Norway, Iceland, and the Islands of Denmark. ((Since Germany has the mainland occupied and all.))]

Post to come later.

Ok, I'll take a safe bet and claim Bulgaria. History and such coming soon.

OOC: Thanks for saving my Austria-Hungary:)

Okay, Austria-Hungary:

(BTW, German "Eastern Hungary Strip" is a bit vague. I assume you mean Galicia and Lodomeria?)

Name: The Kaiserlich und Königlich (Imperial and Royal) Empire of Austria-Hungary, or Austria-Hungary, or the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Population: 50,000,000

The Kaiserlich und Königlich (Imperial and Royal) Empire of Austria-Hungary was formed after an Austrian conquest of various kingdoms and lands in its surrounding area, ending with the signing of the Treaty of Budapest in February of 1867, and subsequent declaration of the new Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Originally, the Empire's official lands consisted of:

the Kingdom of Bohemia ,
the Kingdom of Dalmatia,
the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria ,
the Archduchy of Austria (as Upper Austria and Lower Austria) ,
the Duchy of Bukowina ,
the Duchy of Carinthia ,
the Duchy of Carniola ,
the Duchy of Salzburg ,
the Duchy of Upper Silesia and Lower Silesia ,
the Duchy of Styria ,
the Margravate of Moravia ,
the Princely County of Tyrol (including the Land of Vorarlberg),
the Küstenland ("Coastal Land", including the Princely County of Gorizia and Gradisca, the City of Trieste and the Margravate of Istria).,
the Kingdom of Hungary- including Transylvania and Vojvodina ,
the Kingdom of Croatia and Slavonia ,
the City of Fiume
and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

However, following a short war in 1915, Galicia and Lodomeria were ceded to Germany.

Since its formation, trouble has arisen due to the variety of languages spoken. Due to this a new language, Austro-Magyar (largely based on German) was introduced and is now spoken by 70% of citizens.

In 1914, the then Archduke Franz Ferdinand narrowly missed being assassinated by the Black Hand Gang, a Serbian Nationalist Organization. Due to this, the Empire invaded and annexed Serbia, thereby establishing a Sphere of Influence over the Balkans.

The Empire has prospered industrially and economically, and has established a strong military. Emperor Franz Ferdinand is hugely popular with the people for leading their nation to victory in the Balkans.

The Empire now has its eyes set on North-Eastern Italy, as historically Venice and the Veneto had been under the control of Austria, with a Habsburgian Doge present. Most of the citizens are of Austro-Hungarian descent and Austro-Magyar is a widely spoken language.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire has never participated in any alliances and has only taken part in a war with Germany since its creation as a single nation.

I see. Well...um...I am already assured if China is gone so is Japan and with it Korea.

What about the Ottoman Empire, Italy, or Portugal?


The Ottoman Empire, Italy and Portugal are 100% open.

*Throws himself on top of the Ottoman Empire*

MINE!

Updated with Russia and Norway/Sweden. Guys, you can start RPing when you want. We'll do this like AMW, and just make a thread for each thing, like you normally do on I.I. I'll start on mine tomorrow.

*Throws himself on top of the Ottoman Empire*

MINE!

Got it.

Yea; go ahead and start your RPing guys! Mine will begin when I get home from class.

The first French thread, most likely an introduction and first role playing: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9862100#post9862100

Ignore this... I do plan on joining, just need to pick.

I'd like to take Italy. Ill write up a post momentarily.


Verst just took it over AIM.

Ill have Portugal.

SIC: 50,000 troops, 1,000 bombers and 2500 fighters are being tdeployed to the Bulgarian border

Ill have Portugal.


Unfortunately, I can't grant you the claim, because you have no previous RP experience. APW, like AMW, does require some sort of experience and I urge you to continue on with I.I., regardless of my decision here. We have a certain level of quality which we want with our roleplaying and it just wouldn't be acceptable for me to allow you here without previous experience; my apologies, I really don't like saying no to anybody.

Verst just took it over AIM.

Bah... how bout India? Can I RP them as having broken off via Revolution in the early 1920's?

You are incorrect in assuming i have no experience by my low post count. While i do not Rp much on these forums, i have Rped before. Kroando, and Vietnamexico can vouch for me, I Rped with them on an Rp called E7.

You are incorrect in assuming i have no experience by my low post count. While i do not Rp much on these forums, i have Rped before. Kroando, and Vietnamexico can vouch for me, I Rped with them on an Rp called E7.

Can you link me to some examples? I'm not a mastermind of ESP; I'm forced to assume with your post count of two. So please, if you want to make a point, direct me to your roleplays. Thanks.

Bah... how bout India? Can I RP them as having broken off via Revolution in the early 1920's?

You would have to work that out with the player of Britain; but you can RP a subervient India, and role play the independence of India; I'm sure Britain would be happy to go through that.

Seeing as there is no Britain, theres a slight problem there, dont really plan on waiting for one to join... eh, I dont know, my nations are all picked, mabey ill come back later.

Can you link me to some examples? I'm not a mastermind of ESP; I'm forced to assume with your post count of two. So please, if you want to make a point, direct me to your roleplays. Thanks.

*sigh*

http://s9.invisionfree.com/Earth_7/index.php?act=idx

We just had a failed restart, so you wont find much Rping. I was Spain.

If you need proof of some type of Rping skill, visit here: http://s10.invisionfree.com/wcrp/

My name on there is Perseidees, it is more Character-Roleplaying than Rping a nation.

If you need more proof, reserve Portugal for one day, so I can ask all the makers of the dead Rps I participated in if the websites are still up so I can get some more proof.

I got a wee bit ahead of myself in the history of the Ottoman Empire. Please include Bulgaria (whom was offically apart of the Empire but autnomous) and Greece to my claims. I did this also because Germany took Eastern Hungary and Romania, so I assumed it was ok.

*sigh*

http://s9.invisionfree.com/Earth_7/index.php?act=idx

We just had a failed restart, so you wont find much Rping. I was Spain.

If you need proof of some type of Rping skill, visit here: http://s10.invisionfree.com/wcrp/

My name on there is Perseidees, it is more Character-Roleplaying than Rping a nation.

If you need more proof, reserve Portugal for one day, so I can ask all the makers of the dead Rps I participated in if the websites are still up so I can get some more proof.


Well, you do have extensive experience on Earth 7, although of what I read under Spain [not sure if it's still you or not] there is room for improvement. I'm not criticizing you, and to underscore that I'm going to give you Portugal, although I hope that you do give APW time, and put effort into your posts. Again, it's merely a suggestion with a little proding; I don't want to be rude, although I notice that this is how it might come out.

Also here is my starting thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451927

Hopes it enough information.

I got a wee bit ahead of myself in the history of the Ottoman Empire. Please include Bulgaria (whom was offically apart of the Empire but autnomous) and Greece to my claims. I did this also because Germany took Eastern Hungary and Romania, so I assumed it was ok.

Well, the problem with Greece is that it was part of the Ottoman Empire until 1870, so you would have to make it realistic for the Ottoman Empire to annex it after it gained its independence, which rarely happens in history.

As long as this Rp stays interesting, my posts will be top-notch. Once it gets boring, I tend to write the bare minimum for posts.

Also here is my starting thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451927

Hopes it enough information.


Actually, that's a good post! So, I'm not going to disagree with you with historical overlooks and such.

How bout Japan? Is Japan free?

How bout Japan? Is Japan free?


It's iffy, because in the OOC discussion thread O&I and Sharina were developing their Chinese-Japanese history. I don't want to give Japan away because O&I is a really good role player for Japan and did have claims for it before, and since he is a AMW member, he has the massive experience of AMW to translate it onto APW.

Hey, Macabees thanks for not making me redo the Ottoman history (took me forever to write it).

Though I think if Kroando can make up a good enough history (detailed and logical reasons) why and how India broke away from Britian I think he should get it. Albiet, he probably wouldn't have a very strong India and he would have large amounts of instability and poverty (due to the sudden break) I think we should let him have it.

Hey, Macabees thanks for not making me redo the Ottoman history (took me forever to write it).

Though I think if Kroando can make up a good enough history (detailed and logical reasons) why and how India broke away from Britian I think he should get it. Albiet, he probably wouldn't have a very strong India and he would have large amounts of instability and poverty (due to the sudden break) I think we should let him have it.

Sure enough, but something APW looks for is motivation, and frankly not a lot of the players that have showed it. I think if Kroando was truly interested in an India he would have pushed foward with the idea, but he changed his claim to Japan. Again, I would be willing to work with him, and the subsequent Britain would have to agree with decisions made beforehand; so if Kroando was willing to work through it, instead of simply nudging it aside and aiming for something else, I would gladly give it to him.

I see, alright then. So when do we have the Franco-Ottoman War?

I really dont see the point of you denying the claim if you were going to allow the claimer to have it. I could have argued all day long about why I should be able to get it, but I assumed you would just sit stubborn and continue to deny it anyways. Did I want it? Yes. Am I capable of making a good RP for it? Yes. Was I going to waste three hours of my day arguing with you over why I should be allowed to have it? Hell no.

I changed my claim to Japan because of one, simple thing. I wanted to start RPing, and not sit around here trying to figure out what I was allowed to claim. Seriously, what was the purpose of denying it? Seems pretty pointless to me. If it was just to be an ass, and attempt to poke fun at my lack of determination in trying to get India (which it apperantly was), then you have totally suceeded, as I am not willing to argue over a claim on any RP.

Motivation... I have been in many, many RP's. Never have I been accused of, 'Lack of Motivation'. Very few people consider my RP, 'poor', and those that do usually cannot correctly spell 'poor'. I have not seen you testing any of the other people claiming land, if there is some sort of point you were trying to make by denying my claim, id love to hear it. Im not sure if you have some sort of grudge against me, or you like to hassel random people, but seriously, I cannot see the point of screwing around with me by denying my claims, then saying, 'If you had pushed it, I would have given it to you'.

How much of the 'original' Ottoman Empire remains part of it? Is say, Iran or Iraq still part of the Empire? If so, I would like to claim one of them. If not....well I'll have to find another nation than won't I?

Iran (Persia) was always independent.

Indeed Perisa isn't claimed or taken by the Ottoman Empire. So enjoy. :)

I really dont see the point of you denying the claim if you were going to allow the claimer to have it. I could have argued all day long about why I should be able to get it, but I assumed you would just sit stubborn and continue to deny it anyways. Did I want it? Yes. Am I capable of making a good RP for it? Yes. Was I going to waste three hours of my day arguing with you over why I should be allowed to have it? Hell no.

Nobody implied that any argument would take three hours of your time. Perhaps you should have begun by proposing a certain history of India that you would think would work. Obviously, if I from there on decide not to work with you, then yes, you arguing would be futile - but at the point there was no argument being undertaken; so your premise is false.

I changed my claim to Japan because of one, simple thing. I wanted to start RPing, and not sit around here trying to figure out what I was allowed to claim. Seriously, what was the purpose of denying it? Seems pretty pointless to me. If it was just to be an ass, and attempt to poke fun at my lack of determination in trying to get India (which it apperantly was), then you have totally suceeded, as I am not willing to argue over a claim on any RP.

Unfortunately, as you have seen others do, it's not just a simple matter of claiming and starting to role play. Other did their claims in the old thread, the discussion thread, but I think there was plenty of examples here, not to mention the description of the application process. Nonetheless, as illustrated many times before, it's a complex matter, and simply because there are certain guidelines and role playing prerequisites, that I can't just let someone skip over because of favourtism.


Motivation... I have been in many, many RP's. Never have I been accused of, 'Lack of Motivation'. Very few people consider my RP, 'poor', and those that do usually cannot correctly spell 'poor'. I have not seen you testing any of the other people claiming land, if there is some sort of point you were trying to make by denying my claim, id love to hear it. Im not sure if you have some sort of grudge against me, or you like to hassel random people, but seriously, I cannot see the point of screwing around with me by denying my claims, then saying, 'If you had pushed it, I would have given it to you'.

Again, as I told someone else, I'm not skilled in the art of ESP, therefore I can only assume the worst. Again, as specified above, a lot of the members that have claimed land did their tests in the past thread, and so were automatically alloted to the members list. And no, I hold grudges against nobody, and my hassling will be done to everyone trying to claim, like Tenocilan.

Iran (Persia) was always independent.

You have me on that point. Than, I would like to claim Persia (a.k.a. Iran) if I may. I will provide a short version of the history shortly assuming I am not deinied.

You have me on that point. Than, I would like to claim Persia (a.k.a. Iran) if I may. I will provide a short version of the history shortly assuming I am not deinied.

I'll word my responses a little different. The claim within itself is ok, I'll just need at least five role playing examples, or a very well done history of Iran [from 1900 to 1945; the history preceeding that should stick the same]. Thank you for your time.

SIC: The following forces are deployed to the German-Bulgarian border:

5th Wermacht
200,000 Soldiers
500 Long Range Artillery units
1000 Jeeps
20,400 Trucks
900 Buses
1,000,000 Logistical troops

2nd Panzerkamp
30,000 Soldiers
3,500 Jeeps
1,500 Tanks
7,000 Trucks
6,000 Halftracks
150,000 Logistical troops

6th Luftwaffe wing

100 Me-262
1,000 Henschel Hs 129 B-2
200 Ju 87
500 Ju 88
50 Hindenburg-Class Zepplins

Navy

50 Typ XXIII U-Boats

RP Examples
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356829
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371758
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=408281
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426314
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428581

The History of Persia:

Persian history had been, in the nineteenth century at least, been a story of foreign domination and Persia submission. The ruling family, the Qajar’s had once been the glue holding the nation together, but now its concessions to Europe and to Russia were tearing the nation apart at the seams. Tribal warlords began to rule much of the border regions; the central government lost its ability. Warlords regularly raided government positions and forces and the nation was in chaos.

However, in 1921, that all changed. A charismatic army officer named Reza Khan quietly began to make plans against the government. Seeing himself as the only man fit to rule Persia, he orders what military forces under his influence into Tehran and quickly executed the Shah and his family as their guards stood by. He immediately declared himself the Prime Minister and orders all military units and civilians take a pledge of loyalty to him and Persia. Soon after, with the blessing of the clergy, he declared himself Shah of Persia, cementing his place in the government. Russian troops however, occupied parts of Northern Iran and are well aware of the opportunities they will be losing if a strong government takes control.

Khan has the support of the military and the clergy and immediately takes advantage of this fact. Almost immediately violence breaks out between Russian troops and Khan’s supporters, culminating in the Lotfollah Mosque Massacre in which several dozen Persian protestors are killed, including a local Imam. Violence spreads across the nation leaving dozens of Russian troops dead and hundreds of Persian soldiers, protestors and civilians dead in the streets. Russia, under intense pressure from both Persia and the international community is forced to withdraw and Iran is finally free from outside forces.

However, this is not the end to Khan’s trouble. With most of the nation outside of Tehran under the control of warlords, and the clergy realizing their leader was not as religious as they first thought, Khan knew that the re-unification was not going to go smoothly. Unfortunately, his predictions would prove to be correct, and the nation was thrown into a civil war. Violence spread across the nation. Religious fanatics battled foreign sympathizers who battled Khan’s personal army. By 1926 Khan was dead, killed by his own bodyguards, and the forces under Mohamed Adad was slowly gaining control of the nation with the blessing of most of the clergy. Finally, on February 17, 1927, Persia was under the control of Mohamed Adad who quickly proclaimed himself Shah and his nation Iran.

Under his rule Iran would prosper. While many of the cultural reforms Khan had introduced where repealed, rights still remained much better than under the Qajars, while most of the economic changes remained in effect. While Mohamed Adad would die three years later, his legacy would leave a lasting impact on the nation.

Soon after Mohamed’s death, his young son Ahmed began to mold Iran into the modern nation that it is now. He nationalized the oil fields, once controlled by British companies, and introduced the Supreme Council of 500 members, each member elected by the people. He restricted the power of the Shah and the role of Islam in the government was reduced, though there remained a religious advisor in the cabinet. Railroads and paved roads expanded beyond Tehran to all edges of the nation, public education was expanded to cover all peoples and the first widespread industrialization began to take place. Soon Iran was a modern nation.

I would like to RP as China, as it doesn't seem to be claimed yet, and I'll write up a history tomorrow.

Where Is The Tech Thread, I Have Some Techs To Post

Forces at the Bulgarian-Romanian Border:

3rd Ottoman Army
-300,000 Infantry
-700 Jeeps
-1,400 Tanks
-2,000 Mechanized Halftracks
-600 Artillery Pieces
-150 Anti-Aircraft Guns
-50,000 Logistics Personels
-1,300 Supply Halftracks

Balkan Air Wing-Bulgarian Branch
-150 Airplanes
-50 Dive Bombers
-120 Tactical Bombers
-40 Strategic Bombers

(OOC: Sorry, but I have no idea what the Ottoman air force would be like in 1945...any chance I can be permitted to copy British and German designs?)

(OOC2: I assume the Balkan states of Bulgaria, Albania, and Greece are included. Also my population seems a tad bit low, considering I have a rather large empire that includes the Balkans.)

(OOC3: Hope my logisitics guys are ok as most of my logistics is mechanized and train led. Also the Ottoman Empire has been training logisitics and I have a low population. So I can on assume my logistics personell is decreased.)

you are in a peace time setting, that was SIC post, and the ottomans had more or less no air force, also, there is a bulgarian player therefore, we can assume that bulgaria, like most of the balkans, seceded from the Empire

Problem with that is, that The Macabee said all my claims are legimate. Bulgaria (even in 1905) wasn't independant it was an autonomous principality. Now from 1905 at the least I can began making land changes, and that being the Balkan Wars. I, in my history, won the Balkan Wars and conquored Albania (which historically was still apart until the 2nd Balkan Wars) and Bulgaira.

Now The Macabees agreed that even my Greek claim was acceptable.

As for my air force, its 1945...if we're getting technical the French should have a crappy and obsolete military. I've had 35 years to copy you and the rest of the world. My air force is non-existant once you get into Turkey proper (which then you got slammed by AA guns) but I do have a small Air-Wing in the Balkans since I have you and Austria as neighbors. And since I'm copying Britian and yourself (or France)

I'll post more later.

Mac, how is your King related to mine? Also, wouldn't Alfonso be the closest living male heir to the French bourbon throne? Also I'd appreciate it if you would give my army a little more credit as they would be better trained in this timeline. If you can answer those questions then I will post my starting post as soon as possible.

I would like to RP as China, as it doesn't seem to be claimed yet, and I'll write up a history tomorrow.

Sorry but China and Japan are being disputed by O&I and Sharina, so I can't hand them out just yet.


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Kordo: Looking good; once you finish up your history, consider yourself set up!

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Mac, how is your King related to mine? Also, wouldn't Alfonso be the closest living male heir to the French bourbon throne? Also I'd appreciate it if you would give my army a little more credit as they would be better trained in this timeline. If you can answer those questions then I will post my starting post as soon as possible.


The Catalans have always been more or less related to the Bourbon throne, although it's more of a relationship that at some point in the last two thousand years some Bourbon and some Catalan married and did it, and then was the gist of the relationship; the larger relationship is the relationship between the ultra-monarchist Catalan family and their support for Alfonso XIII, and since Alfonso XIII has a huge claim on the French throne it was more of a favour, although one could understand that Jean was supposedly a puppet, although technically it didn't work out that well for Alfonso XIII.

Well, I would give you credit for a better army, although for Spain to have an army that was technically up to par with other militaries it would have to realistically have to done well in Morocco and against the Americans [1898], something that wasn't changed, and it would have to be a bit more up to par economically, something that wouldn't be able to be changed that fast. The French are in a different boat, because France has always been a rich Empire, and under a minimized depression, and under a similar mobilization to that of Germany, technically France wouldn't have felt the depression as much [especially since I don't owe the US loans after WWI]. However, Spain actually profited from WWI and were still extremely poor, so they're not in the same boat as any other country right now; they're naturally poor. So would have to make sweeping changes in order to change that around; and I just don't think it was plausible for Spain in 1945 to do that. I don't think it's realistic for someone to ignore the massive political mindset of Spain since the mid 1800s, especially after the Carlist Wars; Spain, even with an alternate history since 1900, should still be in extreme political turmoil [not to mention that the first fascist dictatorship of Spain under Miguel Primo de River was in the 20s; his son, Juan Antonio Primo de Rivera is buried with Franco in Los Valles de los Caidos].

So, in other words, I'm not willing to accept that the Spanish have an army that's up to par with that of France.

Where Is The Tech Thread, I Have Some Techs To Post


No tech thread; just link in your RP thread to pages. If we're using RL technology you don't necessarilly need to repost it throughout Jolt; or if you want, register to those forums on the first post, and put it there, like was originally envisioned.

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Unfortunately, a mechanized logistics only means the need for more logistical personnel, not the other way around. Take in mind that the German Army of WWII was largely unmechanized and the logistical ratio I would say was at 3:1, all the while, all around logistical ratio of the U.S. Army of today, which is fully mechanized, is around 7:1 [4:1 for the Army; 14:1 for the Airforce, et cetera].

Other than that, yes Germany, I am willing to accept a reversed Balkan policy with the Ottoman conquest of Greece and Bulgaria, although that would effectively deny the Ottomans French support; although, the current situation with Germany isn't pretty either.

Just as well, you guys can get your own RP thread you know. ;) And, the Ottoman Empire is based on a google search of the populations of all nations here. I'll add Greece and Bulgaria and Albania, and to Germany a small part of Hungarian population and Romanian population and the Czechoslovakian population.

you can have my standard planes but the Me-262 is under the highest security, therefore, you could have no way of getting the plans for it

Well, I have a few originals that i want to use, or are we not allowed to use them

buumpsy

I didnt mean it was up to par with france but it is better than normal. Ive tried to eliminate some of the things that caused the political turmoil and I think I did a pretty good job of it. Ill post soon. Also what should our first post be? A newsthread or like some big RP? And how much of Morrocco is untaken?

I didnt mean it was up to par with france but it is better than normal. Ive tried to eliminate some of the things that caused the political turmoil and I think I did a pretty good job of it. Ill post soon. Also what should our first post be? A newsthread or like some big RP? And how much of Morrocco is untaken?


1. Your post can be anything you want. This doesn't follow the guidelines of those Earths. This is a full blown RP, just like NS.

2. All of Morocco is taken. I've used historical divisions, Spain owning the Tangiers Strip, the Western Sahara and parts of the south [parts of the southwest], and France policing the rest.

Heres the History I wrote on the first thread...

1902: King Alfonso XIII turns 16, Regency ends

1904: Creates the position of Peoples Prince*

1905: Pablo Iglesias elected by the people to be the first Peoples Prince

1906: Alfonso Marries Princess Victoria of Battenberg

1909: Constitution** ratified, Bill of Rights included

1910: Universal sufferage granted for those 25 and over

1911: Pablo creates the Public School System of Spain

1915: Alfonso and Pablo agree to a unicameral legislature

1917: Minimum wage created

1919: Massive industrialization begins

1920: Creation of Air Force

1921: Defeat at Annual

1923: Navy revamped with 4 Pocket Battleships

1925: Prince Pablo Iglesias dies, Alejandro Lerroux elected to Peoples Prince, Republic of the Rift defeated

1926: Francisco Franco, youngest General in Spain/Ramon Franco makes trans-atlantic flight

1927: Suffrage lowered to 18 years of age

1931: Basque Country and Catalonia recieve semi-Autonomy

1932: Ramon Franco elected to Cortes Generales for Esquerra Republicana

1935: HRH Juan Carlos marries Maria Mercedes Borbon y Orleans

1935: Francisco Franco attempts a coup against the mainly left-wing govenrment but fails, Francisco Franco is executed and his allies sent into exile

1936: Ramon Franco made President of Esquerra Republicana

1941: Death of King Alfonso XIII, Coronation of Juan Carlos I

*Peoples Prince- A position like Prime Minister except for life; elected by the people

**Constitution- The King and Peoples Prince act as the executive branch with the Cortes generales acting as the legislative; same rights as the american constitution

1907: Germany invades Czechoslovakia

1908: Germany annexes Czechoslovakia

1915: Austria cedes a strip of Eastern Hungary to Germany

1919: Germany invades Romania
[3 Months later]: Germany annexes Romania

1920: Germany's economy soars thanks to Romanian oil. The main oil refineries are in Hildenburg, the newly created center of industry in the empire

1923: Norway and Germany create the North Sea Trade Organization

1926: Norway and Germany invade Denmark

[7 Months later]: Germany annexes the Jutland Peninsula, Norway takes the Islands.

1932: Kaiser Wilhelm II dies. Kaiser Fredrich IV crowned.

1933: Kaiser Fredrich IV marries [Princess of Norway] in a small ceremony in Olso

1934: Germany purchases the west coast of Bulgaria from the country

1938: Germany begins to modernize the military into a fully mechenized outfit

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Tiger III

Reports from Western Europe spoke of tanks with weapons so powerful, they would tear the front armor of Tiger II's in one punch, reports speaking of 130mm guns, and massive armor. Fredrich IV would not allow his Panzerkamp to fall below that of any other nation, and immidietly demanded a new tank. This was bluntly, non-economical. Orders for Tiger II tanks piled into next year, canceling them would cause massive backup problems, along with an economic shattering of all the work done thus far. A much more economic solution was found. Instead of scraping the Tiger II, upgrades would be made on the existing tanks, gun re-developtments, armor refitting, and other such upgrades.

The Tiger III is armed with the very accurate 112mm H29 L71 tank gun, the latest in Panzer Tank Weaponry. This gun, 71 calibers long (6.3m or 21 feet), had a maximum effective range of 10km (6.2 miles).

The Tiger III was initially equipped with a binocular Range Seeker (RS) 9b/1 sighting telescope and later with the monocular TZF 9d sighting telescope. The gun could be elevated to a maximum of 17 degrees and depressed to a maximum of 8 degrees. The rounds for the 88mm gun (Muerte Tungsten Core) weigh almost 20kg (44 pounds) each, which results in a relatively slow rate of fire. The powerful 88mm gun is able to knock out Sherman, Cromwell and T-34/85 tanks at a range of 3,500 meters (2.2 miles), far beyond the range of enemy guns.

The crew is protected by thick sloping armor that made it a hard target, and only a few weapons are actually able to destroy it at even close range. Thus far, in testing, no weapon has penetrated the Serpiente's frontal armor. Its side armor is easier to penetrate due to design and armor content.

A five-man crew, composed of commander, gunner, loader, driver and radio operator/bow gunner, operate the Tiger. All were connected by an internal telephone system with the exception of the loader. The vehicle was primarily equipped with a SM97 radio, and some had a OsO3 radio set.

The Nocturnal Vison System 60cm (VNS.60) is made up of one 30cm infrared searchlight (with range of 600m) and image converter operated by the commander - FG 1250. This Night Vision Search Light will allow the tank to fight effectively in nocturnal battles. TA-1's with IR operated with VNS.60 with 60cm infra-red searchlight will be allowed to pick out enemy targets in night battles, providing more precise attacks on enemy armor. The NVS.60 could be easily mounted on any type of armored fighting vehicle, the Tiger III was the second to recieve it in the Panzerkamp.

This tanks powerful 112mm gun is loaded with a Muerte .40/43 Armor Piercing Composit Rigid (Tungsten Core).
Penetration of Armor Plate at 30 degrees from Vertical.
Ammo: 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M.40/43: 260mm 255mm 193mm 180mm 177mm

Weight: 68,500kg
Crew: 5 men
Engine: Temsaro HL 235 P 30 / 13-cylinder / 709hp
Speed: Road: 38-42km/h
Cross-Country: 18km/h
Range: Road: 120-130km
Cross-Country: 89km
Fuel Capacity: 865 litres
Lenght: 7.26m (w/o the gun)
10.28m (with the gun)
Width: 3.65m (w/o aprons)
3.75m (with aprons)
Height: 3.09m
Armament: 112mm H29 L/71 & 3 x 7.92mm MG34/42
(2 x MG - hull)
(1 x MG - coaxial)
Ammo: 90mm - 80 (Muerte) / 86 (Oso) rounds
7.92mm - 5850 rounds
Armor (mm/angle): Front Turret: 185/9
Front Porsche Turret: 60-110/round
Front Superstructure: 164/50
Front Hull: 122/50
Side Turret: 80/21
Side Porsche Turret: 78/30
Side Superstructure: 78/25
Side Hull: 78/0
Rear Turret: 78/21
Rear Porsche Turret: 80/30
Rear Hull: 80/0
Top / Bottom Turret: 40/78 / 40/90
Top / Bottom Porsche Turret: 40/77 / 40/90
Top / Bottom Superstructure: 45/90
Top / Bottom Hull: 40-25/90
Gun Mantlet: Riech.0
Cost: $125,000

Number in Service: 100
Production: Non-Stop

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Lanzadors

With expectations for a war on the Turks becoming more realistic by the day, yet another issue arose. Urban combat. Clearing cities with guns and grenades would be slow and inefficient. A flame thrower would make it all so much easier, point, spray, all enemies in the area die.

Two men, comprising a team, are required for each flame thrower. No. 1 carries the weapon on his back and operates it, and No. 2 carries on his back all the necessary supplies, as well as a third tank. Each tank provides for 2 full minutes of constant spray, though the weapon is never sprayed for a period of over 4 seconds at a time. No. 1 wears noninflammable clothing and a respirator. Flame thrower teams travel in large groups, and are always in the middle, so as to form a shield around the gas tanks, thus lowering the chances of enemies detonating them.

The flame thrower consists of two cylinders, a length of reinforced and flexible tubing, and a jet or flame tube, to which is attached the trigger and the ignition arrangement. The cylinders are identical, and each contains the same type and amount of fuel. The fuel usually is ignited at the base of the jet, by a coil and spark gap—with a wick at the gap. The electrical current is produced by a dry-cell battery. Some are said to be ignited by means of a friction tube and a wick, which burns for 2 and a half minutes.

Each of the cylinders contains nitrogen under pressure and fuel oil. The oil ordinarily used is believed to be a mixture of benzine and light motor oil. The fuel tanks are heavily armored, an additional layer of steel surrounding the tanks, so that light arms such as rifles and pistols would be unable to detonate the tanks.

Lanzador Statistics

Range: 30 Yards
Untenable Zone: 39 Yards long, 17 yards wide. (Troops in this zone will be unable to breathe, open their eyes, or stand without doubling over do to the immense heat.
Burn Time: 2.5 Minutes
Weight: 80lbs
Rate of Fire: Constant, 4 second streams reccomended. Six minutes of constant spray possible.

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DP-150

After several months of research and developtment, the DP-150 has been created. The Army demanded an Anti-Armor infantry weapon, grenades simply were'nt going to cut it. A shoulder mounted Anti-Tank weapon would be invaluable in urban combat, ambushes, and against armor in general.

With tanks around the world getting bigger, an high explosive rocket launcher would be invaluable to infantry divisions, which would be hard pressed to hold off armor divisions without tanks of their own. The end goal was to have 2 DP-150's in each regiment, a small number in comparison to the size of the group, but it should turn out effective in the end.

Explosive Amount: 7.1kg Hexogene-Cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine
Penetration: 385mm of Steel
Tube Diameter: 10.5cm
Propellant Weight: 150g
Projectile Stats:
Length: 53.3cm
Weight: 12.2 kilos
Diameter: 26.5
Projectile Velocity: 41m/s
Range: 102m
Total Weight: 21.8kg
Price: $250

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Piedra 01

With the Luftwaffe upping its potential and strength, the Army, under the command of General Jakob Drobbels, decided to produce yet another weapon. This sibling rivalry was heated, each branch eager to prove itself the strongest in the Reich's military. The Army had its tanks, they were top of the line, new tanks were not needed. Infantry weaponry had been created, but somthing was missing... somthing to provide immidite support for the infantry, somthing to tear enemy light vehicles apart, somthing to keep enemy infantry at bay during tactical moves... they needed a mobile armored vehicle, capable of quickly moving with infantry into flanking and attack formations, thus, the Retter-01 was concieved.

The tanks main 47mm gun would be able to tear apart the treads of enemy tanks, possibly cut through lighter tank armor, destroy light vehicles, and most importantly, cut through infantry with the 8mm Mauser Machine Guns. This tanks armor was thick enough for its purpose, withstanding light fire, any more than that, and it was not expected to survive.

The Retter was fast, speed was key. It would play an excellent role in defending convoys, policing captured territories, and playing as a multi-purpose fighting vehicle. If there was a job that needed somthing, from escort to quick assault, the Retter would be there.

Designation: Armored Infantry Support Vehicle
Contractor: Mauser
Crew: Four; Driver; Commander; Gunner; Gunner
Weight (combat ready): 16,732 lb
Length: 5.26 meters
Width: 2.34 meters
Height: 2.41 meters
Armament:
47mm Main Gun
2 x 8mm Mauser Machine Guns
Armour: 24 mm
Power: 130 HP
Specific power: 15 HP / ton
Speed on road: 56mph
Range on road: 535 km
Engine: 1 Muerte 7-cyl (130 HP)
Production Cost: $9,000

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Reich-Hersteller

During the Romanian War, the Kaiser had seen, and learned many things about warfare. He knew the value of tanks, it was undeniable. He knew that infantry were a nessecity to win a war. But now he needed somthing else, a dive bomber that was more effective thatn the J-87 Stuka Dive Bomber was a great weapon for the Romanian War. However, the physical destruction it caused was not the only thing that Kaiser Fredrich IV loved about this plane, the terrifying noise caused by the whistles on the plane and the bombs, the demoralizing screech that struck fear into the heart of enemy infantry... the aura of destruction and hoplessness that this plane have off... when the war ended, his first request to the Riech Aviation Engineering Division was, a better Stuka, or something of the like.

The Reich-Hersteller flys with a crew of 2, the pilot and a rear-gunner. The engine is a 875kW Haste Fuerte 211Da that could pull the aircraft up to 375mi/h. It has an operational ceiling of 9000m and a range of only 650 miles. Its armament consists of two 30mm machine guns and either one 500kg bomb, or five 75kg bombs fitted to racks either under the fusilage and the inboard portion of the wings.

The dive at an 80 degree angle with the surface has given a 100% hit rate thus far in the testing. The Automatic Pull-Up System was installed after the first unsucessful test, in which the pilate blacked out due to G-Force. After that mishap, the auto-pull-up system forced the plane to pull up immidietly after the bomb was dropped, this has reportedly saved several test planes.

Stats
Name: Reich-Hersteller Dive Bombers
Nickname: RH
Primary Function: Dive bomber
Contractor: Junkers
Crew: Two
Length: 37 feet, 9 in
Wingspan: 45 feet, 5 in
Height: 12 feet, 9 in
Weights
Empty: 8,600 lb
Maximum Takeoff: 14,550 lb
Performance
Speed: 375 mph
Ceiling: 24,000 ft
Range: 650 mi
Unit Cost: $56,000

Purpose
Anti-Tank Aircraft
Anti-Ship Aircraft
Assaults on Convoys/Supply Lines
Attacks on Fortifications/Troops Clusters
City Raids

Disadvantages
Though it is armed with 30mm cannons, it is ineffective against enemy fighters, due to lack of speed and manuverability. It is capable of defending itself, but not in a effective manner, thus, it is required that Halcón's be accompanied by fighter aircraft for protection.

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Stinger Fighter Aircraft

It was known throughout the Luftwaffe that the Reich-Herstelle was never going to be able to compete with the fighters of Europe. It was not designed for it, it was a dive bomber, its guns could shoot, it could fight, but it was slower, and difficult to manuver. A fighter plane was needed. Thus, the Stinger was drafted. After months of work, the Stinger Fighter Plane was introduced to testing, its combination of speed, fire power and easy manuverability provided for it to be a superb fighter, capable of protecting Reich-Herstelle's, and hunting down enemy bombers, fighters and light vehicles.

Primary Function: Pursuit (Long range fighter)
Contractor: Junkers
Crew: One
Powerplant
Jeher HV-1650 of 1,695 hp
Dimensions
Length: 32 ft 4 in
Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in
Height: 13 ft 7 in
Weights
Empty: 7,640 lb
Maximum Takeoff: 12,110 lb
Performance
Speed: 437 mph
Ceiling: 41,900 ft
Range: 1,000 miles
Armament
Six .50-cal. machine guns and ten 5 in. rockets
Unit Cost: $54,000

Purpose
Dog Fights
Escort Plane
Air Superiority

Weakness
AA Guns

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RT.47

Specifications of the RT.47
Country: Germany
Type: Assault rifle
Inventor: Howard Mauser
Date of design: 1945
Cartridge: 7.92 x 33 mm
Action: Gas-actuated
Rate of fire: 600 RPM
Muzzle velocity: 685 m/s (~2247 ft/s)
Effective range: 320 meters
Weight (Unloaded): 5.22 kg
Length: 940 mm
Barrel: 419 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 Rounds
Viewing sights: Blade front
Tangent U-notch rear

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Mauser Semi-Automatic (MSA-1) .49 Rifle

Specifications of MSA-1 .49
Type: Long Rifle
Calibre: 8.2 mm Mauser
Barrel length: 610 mm
Ammunition: 7.92 x 57 mm
Magazine: 6 rounds internal
Action: Semi-Automatic
Length: 1110 mm
Weight: 3.7 to 4.1 kg
Rate of fire: approx 15 round/min
Muzzle velocity: 745 m/s
Effective range: 600m

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FF-01

Specifications of FF-01 Machine Gun
Type: Light Machine Gun
Calibre: 7.92
Barrel length: 22" (533 mm)
Ammunition: 7.92 x 57 mm
Magazine belt: (50; 100; 250)
Action recoil: roller locking
Length: 1220 mm
Weight: 25.5 lbs (11.57 kg)
Rate of fire: 1100 to 1200 rpm
Muzzle velocity: 2475 fps (755 m/s)
Effective range: 1150 yds (1000 m)

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S-320

Primary function: Semiauto pistol
Length: 8.625 inches (21.91 centimeters)
Length of barrel: 5.05 inches (12.78 centimeters)
Weight:
Magazine empty: 2.5 pounds (1.14 kg)
Magazine loaded: 3.0 pounds (1.36 kg)
Bore diameter: .45 caliber
Maximum effective range: 84.02 feet
Muzzle velocity: 830 feet (253 meters) per second
Magazine capacity: 7 rounds

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AR-RG

The Anti-Armor-Rocket-Grenade is a stunning new developtment that allows a greade to be fired from a standard rifle. This weapon is useful against light armor, treads of tanks, and clearing pill boxes, houses, and other fortifications. Standard Infantry will be given one, 1/4 of the entire infantry force shall be equipped with them, giving them yet another advantage over the enemy. The Range of the grenade is 55 meters, capable of destroying light vehicles such as jeeps, trucks, cars, and severely damaging tank treads to the point of destruction.

Hmm. Hate to pester you, but I'm not listed, whereas I did sign up.

As I have already signed up, which I believe you will respect, (see page 2), I have taken the liberty of creating a thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452318

Mac,
Check your thread and mine for the alliance offer and if you cant find it then heres the post.

Relations with Catalan France had been good sincethe take over with both acting as allies to each other in Africa. King Juan Carlos I wanted to take this association to the next level, a level his father had never considered. He wanted a full fledged Alliance with France...

"Mr. Lerroux, I know your feelings about the French. Napoleon this Napoleon that but you must understand that they are under a better monarch and a monarch that has ties to our nation. It would be in the best interest of our nation to ally with the Catalans and their new French Empire. We would recieve much more trade and have a helping hand incase of hostilitys from another nation."

Alejandro Lerroux stood. He normally could not stand the French. After all just over a hundred years ago they had invaded Spain and placed a puppet on the throne. Yet he could see the Kings point and understood his concern. Things were changeing in Europe. Nations were focusing on their militarys a lot more and there had not been a large scale war since Napoleon. It appeared as if the whole of Europe and indeed the world was a powder keg just waiting for the tiniest of sparks.

"I will agree to an alliance with the French given they agree and I also believe we should pursue alliance with the Portugese for both us and France to have a united atlantic coast and a united mouth to the Medditeranean. The possibiltys are endless."

"Indeed they are Mr. Lerroux. i am happy that you see things my way. We will send a comminique to Paris right away."

And so a letter was written. A letter that could prove to be the salvation of Spain one day...

From: Madrid, Spain
To: Paris, France

Jean,
Your house has served the Borbon crown in Spain for many years and we are glad to see that you have finally been rewarded for being such loyal and trustworthy subjects these many years. As we have become equals on the world stage I am glad to say that Borbon Spain wishes to solidify that friendship in an alliance with Catalan France. This would have provisions for increased trade and lowered tariffs, a mutual protection pact, and a non-agression pact. Please consider this offer as it may be our salvation when the powder keg that is Europe finally erupts once more.

J.C.

Message from Kaiser Fredrich IV:

The Ottoman Turks have for too long taken the Balkans hostage, and subjected them to the evil heretical rule of their Muslim ways. I, Kaiser Fredrich IV, King of the German Riech, a Prince of the Kingdom of Sweden and Norway (OOC: Check my history Norway) hereby declare that the Turks no longer retain soverignty over the land Bulgaria, and that I will raise the flag of the Reich over the nation, and over Istanbul. I call upon all nations of Europe to join me against these evil heritics, so that we may take back Europe.

The German-Turkish War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9878337#post9878337)

Message from Emperor Franz Ferdinand I, to Kaiser Fredrich IV:

We cannot allow you to commit this action. It is a violation of borders, and a motiveless invasion of the Ottoman Empire. Their is nothing to suggest that their traetment of the Bulgarians is criminal, and their so-called supremacy of the Balkans is balanced by our presence. As such, we will not allow you acces through our borders towards Bulgaria.

For further information, this is a completely out of character thread. All talks, technology and such should go in the forums, and all in character posting should go in seperate threads.

For further information, this is a completely out of character thread. All talks, technology and such should go in the forums, and all in character posting should go in seperate threads.

Sorry. :rolleyes: I mucked up. Was just replying to Germany though.

I was just thinking if other threads could have links in the intro? History threads could be put next to nation names, and wars, relations etc. in the intro? Just a thought, could help to tie things together.

Here is my history thread, if you want to put it in the intro or for any other reason: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452318

I was just thinking if other threads could have links in the intro? History threads could be put next to nation names, and wars, relations etc. in the intro? Just a thought, could help to tie things together.

Here is my history thread, if you want to put it in the intro or for any other reason: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452318


Yea, I added it before, but I need to organize it a bit better. I'll get to that in a little while; yea I'll probably just do what you said, and put it under the specific nation's name.

Yea, I added it before, but I need to organize it a bit better. I'll get to that in a little while; yea I'll probably just do what you said, and put it under the specific nation's name.


Ok, just an idea that I've seen used previously and worked pretty well. It's a bit annoying that alot of nations seem to have not made a thread with their history. I know their history is in here somewhere, but I do'nt like having to sift through several pages to find it, you know?

Mac can you reply to my offer?

Yea, once I get less lazy.

Message from Emperor Franz Ferdinand I, to Kaiser Fredrich IV:

We cannot allow you to commit this action. It is a violation of borders, and a motiveless invasion of the Ottoman Empire. Their is nothing to suggest that their traetment of the Bulgarians is criminal, and their so-called supremacy of the Balkans is balanced by our presence. As such, we will not allow you acces through our borders towards Bulgaria.

I have parts of east hungary that connect me to Romania

I shall claim the British Empire, I would like to know if that does include all of their oversea colonies, and if so can you please give me a list of them... Thanks in advanced

I shall claim the British Empire, I would like to know if that does include all of their oversea colonies, and if so can you please give me a list of them... Thanks in advanced

Sure, and yes all your colonies are included. They are:

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (1801 - 1927)

* Hanover from 1801 to 1837
* India from 1877 to 1927

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United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (1927 - present)
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Former

* Ceylon now Sri Lanka - 1948 to 1972
* Fiji - 1970 to 1987
* Gambia - 1965 to 1970
* Ghana - 1957 to 1960
* Guyana - 1966 to 1970
* India - 1927 to 1950
* Ireland - 1927 to 1949
* Kenya - 1963 to 1964
* Malawi - 1964 to 1966
* Malta - 1964 to 1974
* Mauritius - 1968 to 1992
* Nigeria - 1960 to 1963
* Pakistan - 1947 to 1956
* Sierra Leone - 1961 to 1971
* Union of South Africa - 1931 to 1961
* Tanganyika now Tanzania - 1961 to 1962
* Trinidad and Tobago - 1962 to 1976
* Uganda - 1962 to 1963

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Current

* Antigua and Barbuda, through independence in 1981
* Australia, through adoption of the Statute of Westminster in 1942 (retroactive to 1939)
* The Bahamas, through independence in 1973
* Barbados, through independence in 1966
* Belize, through independence in 1981
* Canada, through the Statute of Westminster in 1931
* Grenada, through independence in 1974
* Jamaica, through independence in 1962
* New Zealand, through the Statute of Westminster in 1947
* Papua New Guinea, through independence in 1975
* Saint Kitts and Nevis, through independence in 1983
* Saint Lucia, through independence in 1979
* Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, through independence in 1979
* The Solomon Islands, through independence in 1978
* Tuvalu, through independence in 1978

So when shall the RP thread be started? I am eager to begin with this RP.

So when shall the RP thread be started? I am eager to begin with this RP.


When you want? There's been a flurry of threads that have gone up, and the first thing we do is go to war! Indeed, with the French mobilizing on the German border on my thread, the Germans launching an invasion of Bulgaria in another [pitting the Ottomans and Germans at war], Italy has been moving around, while Austria-Hungary has declared allegiace to Germany.

When you want? There's been a flurry of threads that have gone up, and the first thing we do is go to war! Indeed, with the French mobilizing on the German border on my thread, the Germans launching an invasion of Bulgaria in another [pitting the Ottomans and Germans at war], Italy has been moving around, while Austria-Hungary has declared allegiace to Germany.


No I haven't, I've declared allegiance to the Ottoman Empire.

I have parts of east hungary that connect me to Romania


Okay: If you went through my borders it would be easier, so I'm just saying you can't; I assume you mean Galicia and Bukovina, please call them that as they are not actually a part of Hungary (Map here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Austria-hungary.png)

Also, I can invade and take back Galicia and Bukovina, cutting you off, and I can invade southern Germany.

NAP Between Austria-Hungary and Germany (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9887932#post9887932)

mac, can you please answer my alliance?

Vietnamexico, I guess I didn't get my border stats up. Or at least they were incomplete considering I didn't include logistics troops, so if you're willing accept this, here are the current troop deployments:

6th Ottoman Army
-150,000 Infantry*
-900 Jeeps
-1,200 Artillery Peices (400 long range)
-2,200 Tanks**
-8,000 Halftracks
-400 Anti-Aircraft Guns
-29,000 Trucks
-500,000 Logistics Troops

Balkan Air Wing-Bulgarian Branch
-250 Fighters***
-100 Tactical Bombers
-50 Strategic Bombers
-30 Dive Bombers

Black Sea Fleet
-4 Battleships
-10 Cruisers
-14 Destroyers
-20 Frigates
-10 Submarines****

* = This include Anti-Tank, Anti-Air, Heavymachine, ect, ect.
** = Tanks technological advance ranges from earlier Tiger/Panzer designs (Tiger I)-to-Upgrades of earlier to nearly current French and British deisgns
*** = This number isn't the current numbers, its just what I started out with. Drop it by sixty or seventy and that would be current numbers.
**** = Semi-modern, but not fully modern.

Erm my bad...the above post is mine...I forgot to log out of my other account.

Response to my threads will come when I'm off work, so be patient. :)

Jon, I need you to tell Saint Alpha to post, he has not posted sice he went on that OOC rant a few weeks back