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Members of the International Community, hear us out. One of the greatest wholesale butchery of women and children has occurred under our noses.

Recently, a rogue Kahanistani General has been implicated in a nuclear strike against the nation of Shazbotdom, which killed more than 12,000 people. In response, Shazbotdom and its Ottoman Alliance have staged their own nuclear strike on Kahanistan, utilising its electro-magnetic pulse to cripple the nation's infrastructure. Despite the best efforts of the Brettonian Army Expeditionary Force to intervene, more than 300,000 Kahanistani civilians are dead after the Ottoman Alliance air fleet, under the command of the Commonwealth of Hirgizstan, has launched precision guided missiles against schools, hospitals, fire departments, residences, and civilian shelters.

I'll repeat that: The Ottoman Alliance has directly targeted civilians with precision munitions under the pretense of a "military" strike.

Members of the International Community, twelve thousand does NOT equal three hundred thousand. Should the people of Kahanistan suffer murder at large on account of a rogue General's actions? Correction, a dead rogue General?

I, for one, submit they should not.

As Bretton's Chancellor, I am calling on the International Community to do whatever it can to stop this slaughter before the Ottomans have another go at it. Do whatever you can, boycott Ottoman products, level trade embargoes against the Ottoman nations, or even, God willing, join the forces of Bretton and Axis Nova in saving Kahanistan from mutual annihilation at the hands of the bloodlusting Ottomans.

While efforts of humanitarian aid would be greatly needed right now, we must also implore those willing to give to hold their hand as of the moment; the murderous Ottoman Alliance may target your humanitarian relief efforts as well. They have shown NO restraint so far, so why should we expect them to now?!

TWELVE DOES NOT EQUAL THREE HUNDRED!

OOC: The events escalating to the most recent incident can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449473), the incident itself circa page 8 or 9... I forget which.

OOC: Is that the post witht eh stray cruise missiles? Or is it another one, if it is, provide a post link please.

Statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

One can examine facts, or one can accept propaganda at face value. Given the history of the Ottoman Alliance and its members, logic determines a different conclusion that than provided by the Brettonian propagandists.

The death of so many is of course unfortunate, and the Imperial Commonwealth for one will do all that it can to assist in the rebuilding of Kahanistan once that nation surrenders, but blatant lies cannot, indeed, will not help the people who suffer now.

The Ottoman Alliance has no intention of surrender, or peace short of the demands laid forth by the Pure Socialist Holy Empire of Shazbotdom. An ally was attack, with nuclear weapons, and thousands of civilians killed. However, the Ottoman Alliance and its member states are not nations which kill irregardless of military status. Kahanistan and its ilk are.

Do not confuse the two.

Davis Hanson
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

One can examine facts, or one can accept propaganda at face value. Given the history of the Ottoman Alliance and its members, logic determines a different conclusion that than provided by the Brettonian propagandists.

The death of so many is of course unfortunate, and the Imperial Commonwealth for one will do all that it can to assist in the rebuilding of Kahanistan once that nation surrenders, but blatant lies cannot, indeed, will not help the people who suffer now.

The Ottoman Alliance has no intention of surrender, or peace short of the demands laid forth by the Pure Socialist Holy Empire of Shazbotdom. An ally was attack, with nuclear weapons, and thousands of civilians killed. However, the Ottoman Alliance and its member states are not nations which kill irregardless of military status. Kahanistan and its ilk are.

Do not confuse the two.

Davis Hanson
Minister of Foreign Affairs


Gentlemen! Heads of State! Commanders in Chief! This is exactly the kind of logic we have come to expect from the mouthpieces of a corrupt and muderous organization of barbarians! "Our prior record" this and "we don't do this sort of thing" that and "Kahanistanis killed themselves" rhetoric is as hollow as the souls of the compassionless savages that have unleashed their war machines on Kahanistan's most helpless individuals! Will you be able to sleep at night, knowing full well that while your citizens are safe within your borders, Kahanistanis are being killed by surgical, precision strikes from the imposing Ottoman Alliance? We must not allow this to continue! We must rise up for freedom from oppression! We must rise up against foreign powers bent on the eradication of a fellow state!

REMEMBER THE THREE HUNDRED!!

Statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

We would like to note that none of the "rhetoric" quoted by the Brettonian government actually appeared in our statement.

We would also like to applaud the Brettonian government's poetic, if plagarized, rallying cry of "Remember the Three Hundred." Indeed the three hundred thousand civilians who have died in Kahanistan must be remembered by all free peoples of the world, as hapless souls who have suffered needlessly. Kahanistan itself would do well to remember exactly who began the war that, justly or unjustly, took the lives of those civilians.

The Imperial Commonwealth does not take kindly to slander against ourselves or our allies.

Davis Hanson
Minister of Foreign Affairs

OFFICIAL OTAGIAN PRESS RELEASE

"Otagia and Pale Rider Arms unilaterally condemn the extremist actions of Kahanistan and the petty warmongering of Bretton. The actions of Shazbotdom were justified, simple retaliatory strikes in response to the heartless slaughter of their own citizens by the barbaric leaders of Kahanistan. Shazbotdom and the Ottoman Alliance have the full support of Otagia and its affiliates."

OOC: Pardon if I sound like an ass, but is anyone actually looking at this incident subjectively, or are you all assuming you can read my actions regardless of whether or not you were there? It seems highly irregular that one would simply take a nation's word at face value when the obvious situation at hand would seemingly implicate them in every capacity. C'mon, people.

OOC: Pardon if I sound like an ass, but is anyone actually looking at this incident subjectively, or are you all assuming you can read my actions regardless of whether or not you were there? It seems highly irregular that one would simply take a nation's word at face value when the obvious situation at hand would seemingly implicate them in every capacity. C'mon, people.


OOC: Well, the Ottoman Alliance's reputation, especially amongst older nations, and the reputations of many of the members (though unfortunately nations like Praetonia have left NS) likely have something do with it. Also, there are those unfortunate computer reports from Hirgizstan's military records. Secondly, taking a nation's word at face value is exactly what you're asking other nations to do concerning your propaganda.

OOC: I was there, actually. I had quite a few ground troops on Jenrak's soil, and thus have plenty of access to the other side of the story.

OOC: Maybe not my words, but I figure direct results are what will get people moving. I figure tabloids and international pariahs would see this as "Ottoman missiles hitting civilian shelters" and run with it, much like real world media works. Mayhaps I was expecting too much out of the NS populance...

OOC: I was there, actually. I had quite a few ground troops on Jenrak's soil, and thus have plenty of access to the other side of the story.

OOC: I more meant to how I basically created this incident which nobody seems to care about. I mean, 300,000 people are dead on account of Ottoman missiles; seeing as nobody has any real means of proving, or for that matter, even accusing me of doing this with any matter of substance, I have to wonder exactly how most countries out there see what should, for all intents and purposes, be an open-and-shut case as being a clear act of my subterfuge. It makes me think that people don't want to look at the situation in a subjective manner and would prefer to simply say "I know what you did there, Kahanistan is evil BTW" and be done with it. That's rough.

OOC:I hope you realise I am with you, and you forgot me in the opening post...

And here's a something I once said, "Don't judge a book by it's cover. Judge it by it's description." That means know some facts. Know whats inside before you judge it.

IC:Official Message to:
ALL NATIONS AGAINST THE KAHISTANI COALITION

The nation of Shazbotdom, was in fact, fired upon with nuclear bombs. But the general who fired the missles was proboly delerious or angry. Or it was instinct. But precision guided missles fired upon civilian buildings on purpose was a terrible act by the Ottoman Alliance. The nation of Quere would like to suggest you look at the battle, the fights, before making your descision. Although, I suggest joining for a just cause.

Remember this: International and National and Local laws must all be broken in a war or revolution. This is a war for smaller nations to step to the plate and show the 'big boys' that we are not all that small. This is a revolution. A revolution for a better world.

OOC:IF you don't agree to this, just tell me.

OOC: If people who are interested in this post would like to actually read the 'Wrath of an Empire' thread you would see that it was actually Brettonia who tampered with the missiles as they were en-route to military targets, thus forcing them to crash into civilian targets. This situation is also moving toward a peace settlement, and it seems Brettonia is not too happy about that.

OOC: Keep OOC and IC separated, gentlemen. It's always lame to use OOC explanations to support one's ingame situation. Player can lie freely in IC, if his national leader so decides, but his opponent shouldn't come to tell that in OOC. Because that just fucks up the whole idea of RolePlaying.

Did any of the nations involved request:

1. Humanitarian Aid: UN International Red Cross (IRCO) (http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?showforum=18) Request for Aid

2. Peacekeeping Action: UN Peacekeeping (http://s14.invisionfree.com/NSUN_Peacekeeping/index.php?showforum=4) Request for Action

3. Investigation of Genocide: The Pretenama Panel (http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?showforum=32) Requests Related to Investigating Genocide

It would help if the nations directly involved made their own requests for aid, action, and investigation, as this would ensure that there was permission and invitation to operate in the area.

OOC:
Lets keep this IC please


IC:
Global IC:
***OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT PROCLIMATION***
To: International Community
From: General Craig Theod, Minister of the Marine Corps

It has come to the attention of the Pure Socialist Holy Empire that someone is spreading rumors about it's allies. We have come to show the facts. At the time of the launch, Shazbotdom forces saw a wide band radio transmission from an undisclosed location. When this signal was tracked, it was picked up by several of the Cruise Missiles that were launched at military targets in Kahanistan. This caused them to divert from their previous courses and bare down upon civilian targets.

In an investication from the Command Buker of the Shazbotdom marine Corps, it was found that the signal origin was not from any of Shazbotdom's allies. Further traces found that the signal was not from Kahanistan or it's main ally of Quere. Thus we have come to the conclusion that this signal, how horrific of a death toll that it caused, was from an outside source. We are not pointing names, but we believe that it is from one of two places:

A Warmongering State that wishes no peace between us.
An outside military contractor that wishes that we stay at war

While we do not know where the signal came from at this point, we will continue to scour the radio waves till we find out where the source is. If it be from an allie of the Pure Socialist Holy Empire or from an allie of the Nation of Kahanistan, we will bring it before the international community. These people must be brought before a military tribunal in the nation in which they attacked.

I propose that the guidance chips from the missile try to be recovered from their respective impact points and analized for any deficincies in their programming.

OOC: Bretton, just to make this crystal clear, I am not going to RP with you or Axis Nova outside of the Kahanistan RP Thread. I am firmly MT and I don't RP with PMT. I have only done so here as a favour to Shazbotdom and the OA. Its nothing personal, just technical.



INTERNATIONAL STATEMENT FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF HIRGIZSTAN

COMPILED BY THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

The Commonwealth of Hirgizstan is saddened to see that yet more rumours have been spread by Bretton.

They relate to an incident in Kahanistan several days ago in which fifteen AGM-86C CALCM Cruise Missiles fire from a number of Hirgizstanian Air Force B-52H Bombers, blew up a number of civilian buildings, killing around 300,000 people.

The Commonwealth of Hirgizstan operates an extensive Battlefield Networking System that records every target of every missile and every bit of detail from battles and military operations. It uses a deep encoding IFF system, which is protected by over fifty separate anti-hacking software 'rings'. The system will only recognise data bursts and orders from COH Units, while the systems of individual missiles can be hacked into the satellites and relay devices aboard aircraft and vehicles which control the missiles, cannot be hacked and will show that a pirate signal has altered the course of said missile or munition.

This is the very situation we have at the moment. Printouts of the target coordinates and target information were obtained before the before force left the ground in the COH, and another printout was obtained before the missiles were fired in Kahanistani airspace. The system then recorded that all but 15 missiles had struck their targets without deviation.

Indicated by red ink, the fifteen 'stray' missiles had received new target coordinates while in the air close to the Kahanistani city of Najaster. Coordinates were obtained from where the pirate transmissions were received by the missiles, and the pilots aboard the Bombers could not, then, alter the target coordinates. The transmissions forced the missiles of their intended course, sending them into civilian areas.

No COH ground forces are operating in Kahanistan at all, and no Ottoman Alliance forces were within range of the missiles. Satellite photos of a Brettonian Army unit match closely (but not exactly) with the coordinates the Battlefield Networking System recorded the pirate signal orignating from.
We do not set out to point fingers at anyone, but the facts are clear. No COH unit ordered the change of coordinates, nor did any Ottoman Alliance Unit order the change of coordinates.

It is also very clear that just hours after the tragic death of those civilians the nation of Bretton began to spread rumours in Kahanistan and in the International Community about the 'guilt' of the Ottoman Alliance in the death of those people, trying to put the blame on both the COH and the OA very quickly after the strikes were confirmed in Kahanistan.

The Ottoman Alliance will probably offer Kahanistan aid when peace is finally achieved, although the President of the Alliance, Independent Hitmen, must speak about this.

END OF STATEMENT

COH

Celtayoshi Statement

"Let us first examine the facts, Kahanistan launched the first strike, slaughtering over 200 children in a school with a nuclear device. They then killed the general responsible rather than hand him over. The Ottoman Alliance sought justice. Upon hearing this news much of the Kahanistani military went into hiding inside the cities. Using civilians like a shield. Intelligence also suggests that the COH missiles were deliverately changed to target civilian areas. This was no act of the Ottoman Alliance. We seek only to clarify the truth, and uphold justice.
We will not tolerate blatent propaganda that seeks to blame us for this disaster, and instead would like the international community to join us in moruning for the many lives that have been wasted in the greatest setup of all time."

OOC: Pardon me again, but have you got any idea whatsoever how a laser communication works? They're not nearly as efficient as radio or a satellite, and you must have line of sight, but they do posess two excellent qualities. (1) They can't be jammed except by weather, and (2) they're untraceable. I'm not sure where you pulled a "wide band radio transmission" from, or how you can tell where a direct laser communique originated from. On top of that, no change in coordinates would be recorded and sent to the bombers either, as you have mentioned, due to the exact nature of the missile hijacking. Rather than supplying the GPS guidance with new data, my laser communique simply informed the missile that it was somewhere it wasn't. The target coordinates never changed; simply those of the missile. Please look into the technicalities, or even the actual wording of my posts themselves, before trying to pin the blame on something else (even though it does technically belong there, you're not supposed to know that, and I'm rather disappointed that everyone seems to have jumped to the obvious OOC conclusion in an IC matter).

IC:

Once again, the murderous powers of the Ottoman Alliance seeks to turn the Kahanistani Coalition against itself!

They seek to confound and confuse with an endless stream of technobabble while they try to clean the blood from their hands! As long as Bretton stands we shall not allow this travesty to occur.

The Conventional Air Launched Cruise Missile is guided by an integral Global Positioning System and an Intertial Navigation Element. The GPS is primarily responsible for keeping the missile on target. The cruise missile utilizes a narrow-band, high-power radio frequency to stay in touch with numerous GPS satellites. The alleged wide-band interference (1) would not be able to adversely affect a cruise missile's dedicated guidance system, and (2) would also be difficult, if not impossible, to detect with the forces that the Ottoman Alliance claims to have in the area.

For the more technically-oriented in the audience, are you satisfied now? The Alliance is caught dead in its filthy lie, imprisoned by its own reliance on technology! Any battlefield computer can be modified, hard-copied documents can be forged, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Instead of following along until YOUR nation is next on the chopping block, why don't YOU look at the facts:

(1) Ottoman precision guided munitions struck civilian positions.
(2) The Ottoman Alliance has used a fallacious, and even incomprehensible, technical evaluation of the situation.
(3) The Brettonian Army has been deployed to PROTECT Kahanistan.
(4) It would benefit the Ottoman Alliance's occupation if the Kahanistani coalition was turned on itself.
(5) The Alliance spin-machine is attempting to do this as we speak.
(6) The Alliance chairman has threatened military force against the Brettonian Homeland for offering assistance to Kahanistan.

When I look at this, I can tell who the true treacherous powers are in this situation. Is the rest of the world blind? Or do you all turn your collective heads with nonintervention? Join the cause! Take up the flag! Do it today, before it's too late!!

While Jenrak is favoured to look upon Shazbotdom's views of action, as Kahanistan apparently and politically 'comdemned' us by our treatment of lesser beings, they seem to prove a graceful iroiny by committing an attack onto a civilian point. While it may be under the influence of a rogue general, as they claim it to be, it was the government's own fault to have believed to have placed that such impulsive corpse of a man in control of the nation's military, and albeit it's subversive reputation.

However, despite the reasons that are seemingly overwhelming, Jenrak is forced to take a neutral view on the war, and cannot interfere on behalf of neither sides. Economic trades would disrupt, businesses would go bankrupt, and the military fuelling, which is always what was highest (and shortest) would skyrocket. Jenrak is to make money, after all. Not squander it away.
-Lord Drakthaz

Global IC:
***OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT PROCLIMATION***
To: International Community
From: General Craig Theod, Minister of the Marine Corps

Let me stress again that any loss of civilian life in this conflict was NOT done on purpose by the Alliance against Kahanistan. The Nation of Bretton is attempting to turn the nations of the world against an alliance that, in the past and in the future, has cherished the lives of innocents in the world. Thus is why this conflict was started. This conflict was started to bring the one, who killed a group of innocents, to justice.

The incident is the fault of an outside source, not the Ottoman Alliance.

First, the haughty Ottomans attempt to confound us with their nonsensical technobabble, and once their machinations are shown to be flawed, they resort to the same defense they used before: "We didn't do it 'cause we're the good guys."

Members of the International Community, is this the kind of treatment you've come to expect from the members of the Alliance? Do you feel that it is okay to be written off because they are "the good guys"? I say it is not! Men, do not sway from the cause! Only through strength and perseverence shall the truth be told!

Given what we know of the Ottoman Alliance, their creed, their actions, and their style, the reasoning presented is not only rejected but also an insult to the world. The use of skewed facts, untruthful claims, and problematic points of view, the Empire views this statement as nothing more than a lie of propaganda.

The Empire

OOC: Bretton, remember that you're PMT, I'm RPing 2005 here. Come down to that level.

COMMONWEALTH OF HIRGIZSTAN

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT STATEMENT

The Ottoman Alliance is a DEMOCRATIC Alliance, based on those values, and for those values. The OA is a well known Alliance and has been partner to a number of well known nations who do not sink to such levels of evil as to kill civilians for no reason.

The International Community is aware that the OA have helped out smaller nations in terms of economic and natural disaster, providing much needed relief funds from the Treasury. We, as an Alliance, seek to PROTECT LIFE, not end it.

Our systems logged a rogue transmission that altered the course of fifteen missiles. The missiles had a set course. The computer was notified the very second that this course was deviated from. No signal to change the course originated from and IFF COH or IFF OA source. It came from inside Kahanistan while the missiles where en-route. The fact is that a rogue transmission was logged and the missile change of course was noted, having not been altered by any COH or OA forces.

The very fact that the nation probably responsible for the atrocities, Bretton, is trying to cover up a mistake and blame it on the OA, is deplorable. Kahanistan, as a nation, also stands for democracy and stands to PROTECT LIFE. But you, Bretton, have tried to subvert the truth to cover up a heinous mistake, or perhaps a (more worrying) deliberate act to try and tarnish the name of the COH because it was simply trying to protect one of its allies, Shazbotdom.

Bretton, your heinous lies and condemnations of the Alliance will not stand you in good stead with the International Community and we suggest that you simply stop trying to subvert the truth and try to save some diplomatic face and credit while you still can.

[B]END OF STATEMENT

COH

In Response...

The Totalitarian Military State of The Kraven Corporation


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The High Command Openly and Whole Heartedly supports the Systematic Annihiliation of Kahanistan, Removing yet another Factor from the Current and On Going Xirnium Campaign, Further More what little resources that can be pledged will be pledged in the Removal of this element.

The High Command



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OOC: Thanks for the offer TKC, but the OA is moving into peace talks with Kahanistan. Although I'd still keep an eye out for the thread anyway.

OOC: Thanks for the offer TKC, but the OA is moving into peace talks with Kahanistan. Although I'd still keep an eye out for the thread anyway.

OOC: No Problem and will do

OOC: Bretton, remember that you're PMT, I'm RPing 2005 here. Come down to that level.



Why should he? This RP allows postmodern stuff. All it says is no FT.

OOC: Because it's causing a clash in technology. In retrospect we probably should have put 'No PMT' aswell, as MT can't actually RP with PMT.

OOC: Because it's causing a clash in technology. In retrospect we probably should have put 'No PMT' aswell, as MT can't actually RP with PMT.

Why? I've done it before with no ill effects.

Besides, in the real world, not every nation has the same technology.

OOC:Look, this is to settle the fight, not to start a political war. And tech doesn't matter! How does that effect our peace-talks?

IC:Juy thought he should speak. "If I may say so, we must settle the 'peace-talks' before anything unexpected should happen. Many bad things have occured during this war, but we must put that aside. All Quere wants is peace, no occupation of hostile forces, and the promise of no destroying or injuring anything of Quere, including trade, civilians, sattelites (one is going to go up) or any troops. We also wish to help Kahanistan rebuild and anything in Bretton. We value our allies."

OOC:If you were with Kahanistan and not in a 'team' or an alliance or anything, TG me, including Kahanistan because I was wondering if you guys wanted to start an alliance...you know, just for peace and stuff.

OOC: Yes, some nations have different technology, but they ain't set in different decades. PMT cannot RP with MT. I don't and 95% of all MT nations don't RP with anyone but MT. Your set in 2020 and beyond. The furthest I would RP is 2010 and even then I'd be sceptical. You seem to be taking it like a personal insult, it isn't. Its purely technical, as I have said before.

Put it this way, the Ottoman Alliance refuses to RP with PMT nations again.

A Statement in retort to several remarks made by our esteemed Brettonian friends over the past few days.

Firstly the Brettonians hold themselves on such high moral grounds with regards to this incident when it may have been them that was responsible.

Is it inconcievable that a piece of Brettonian technology, which is far more complicated and vastly different to our own technology, could have caused an error in the guidance of these missiles? We think not. But perhaps we should not be so focussed on blaming a nation for the deaths but rather on finding the solution to the conflict as most of us are attempting to at the peace conference.

We are also concerned over the continued insults that the Brettonians seem to love to dispense at the Ottoman Alliance in ever increasing quantities. Using such obviously false derogative terms for us does not infact make us look anyworse but does indeed make your government appear weak and, some might even say foolish, as they do not possess a large enough vocubulary in which to properly describe us.

Whilst it may be sad, the death of 300,000 barely creates a tremour in the world that we live in. We fear that you are trying to draw attention to your nation and its apparent innocent intentions than to the actual deathes. It seems to us as if you are using this conflict to try and promote yourself on the International Stage rather than caring about the peoples who's lives were tragically cut short in this regrettable occurance.

And one final point. You mentioned that the Brettonian homeland had been threatened by the Alliance Chairman. Firstly the Alliance has no Chairperson, that position was never included in the Ottoman Constitution, but if you mean the President then I question your Intelligence gathering personnel. There is no IH naval, aerial or ground force anywhere near the Brettonian homelands. We thank you very much for the flattery that you obviously think we pose a severe threat to you despite your technological superiority and enourmous distances between us.


-The State Department

OOC: Looks like you are getting your OOC and IC information mixed up there as well Bretton. That group never made public where it was going, or what it was doing when it got there. Uh oh! Not quite so infallable are you!

OOC: Yes, some nations have different technology, but they ain't set in different decades. PMT cannot RP with MT. I don't and 95% of all MT nations don't RP with anyone but MT. Your set in 2020 and beyond. The furthest I would RP is 2010 and even then I'd be sceptical. You seem to be taking it like a personal insult, it isn't. Its purely technical, as I have said before.

Again, false. Look at a few recent wars.

OOC:
Alright people. If you want to discuss this more, then i would make a new thread for it. The peace talks are over so i believe that this thread about the bombings is over. We've all had our fun but it should end now.