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The Great War is finally over, after 16 years of brutal combat. Neither side could defeat the other, so a truce was declared.
Though peace is declared, there is no trust. The troops still man the trenches, and millions of pounds are spent daily in an effort to keep the armies supplied. The balance is shaky, but it works.
Durign the great flu pandemic, Germany managed to break out from positions at Alsace-Lorraine and marched with great difficulty to Paris. The occupation is still there. The German lines stretch from Le Havre to Marseille. The French are resentful, and refuse to have further dealings with Germany. The BEF has been asked to stay in France to maintain the lines. Millions of troops keep the boders secure.
Africa is controlled mostly by France and Britain. India gained sovereignty by an act of betrayal, driving the British out. The current government is shaky, but very popular.
Russia has taken Dresden and Lubeck, and everything in between.

This works more or less like every other Earth. Pick country, and we RP it from this point. State a claim of any nation involved in the war (or Switzerland...) and I'll put it up.

http://s14.invisionfree.com/GreatWar1930/
Off-site Forum^

Claims:

Germany/Prussia:Ankhmet
Russia:Madnestan
France:Lachenburg
The Ottoman Empire:Call to Power
Spain:Nebarri Prime

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Start claiming!

Russia.

I guess I will take France.

Remember to register on the forums :)

can I be the Ottoman empire…please

EDIT: you need to make a thread so we post claims

Sorry, about tthe 5-day absence. The off-site forum now has a claims section XD

I'll take Spain

Welcome to the alternate universe :D

we need a fact book thread...

how big will the ottoman empire be in this? (if it still is an empire)

well...the Ottoman Empire would either be a broken up nation or a very poor nation (they where poor before fighting WW1 now they will have been fighting for 16 years...

or was that for size in area?

It's pretty much the size it was after WWI in real life, but with a much smaller population and a cash-flow problem.

well...the Ottoman Empire would either be a broken up nation or a very poor nation (they where poor before fighting WW1 now they will have been fighting for 16 years...

or was that for size in area?

its mainly would Greece of got independence if WWI has lasted and how far would Britain and France have got if the ottomans hadn't surrendered

Greece? Greece got independence in the first bulkan war

Perhaps we could cut Greece in half?

EDIT:We could RP the negotiations for the final bounaries of the borders of all sides in the war :)

here is how the Ottoman empire could of kept in the war (and helped India get independence)

in February 1915 the central powers attacked Britain’s 'jugular vein', the Suez Canal (here is where time changes) the attack is a success cutting off Britain and Frances far east colony's and causing a Islamic revolt in Egypt.

as Egypt and the central powers struggle to defeat the Entente Powers in Egypt the conflict becomes more and more of a holy war revolts spark up across the Islamic world cutting off Britain’s oil eventually starving the royal navy Persia and Afghanistan soon begin the threaten India

the Indian front

with the loss of the Suez Canal British forces are completely cut off British India soon begins to collapse as Imperial forces first become overstretched then non-existent the same story happens all over the far east and increases as the only lifeline (Australia) becomes cut off due to oil shortages

this would not be an Ottoman victory though as the now independent states would not be too willing to join another empire a new block would emerge which would be in a constant tug of war as the opposing powers try to get there support which would ultimately decide the fate of the middle east and Asia

Nice, very nice.

the Islamic world cutting off Britain’s oil eventually starving the royal navy

one problem (if it makes much a diff), in 1915 the British and most of the world used Coal for there ships and i don't see how the war would have lated 16 years if Britain lost what it needed to power its navy.

Also, taking Suez is cdertainly not enough to "completely separate" India from UK. It will just make the journey longer, but as the Brits have ports and re-coaling bases all the way in the African coast, from Plymouth to Bombay. It'll make it harder to supply the troops in India, but it will no way make it impossible.

one problem (if it makes much a diff), in 1915 the British and most of the world used Coal for there ships and i don't see how the war would have lated 16 years if Britain lost what it needed to power its navy.

let me just go coal up my bike :D

most of the royal navy would of just stayed in port (like Germany's navy) think of the 1v1 dreadnought battles! and Britain was already buying resources from America it makes sense they would start buying oil (like in WWII) which would lead to more battles at sea!

Also, taking Suez is cdertainly not enough to "completely separate" India from UK. It will just make the journey longer, but as the Brits have ports and re-coaling bases all the way in the African coast, from Plymouth to Bombay. It'll make it harder to supply the troops in India, but it will no way make it impossible.

it would take too long to send large forces both ways and the journey would be filled with danger from German colony's and U-boats!

also it would provide the spark to set off India

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bump, for anyone

let me just go coal up my bike :D

most of the royal navy would of just stayed in port (like Germany's navy) think of the 1v1 dreadnought battles! and Britain was already buying resources from America it makes sense they would start buying oil (like in WWII) which would lead to more battles at sea!

The British navy stayed in port exactly because the German navy did so, too. Their job in Firth of Forth was to make sure that the Germans could not exit their base. As long as their ability and great odds compared to Germans made sure that the Germans could not have hoped to beat them in a battle, there was no reason to move. That way Germany was kept surrounded via seeroutes.

Now, if the RN is unable to move, and I am sure that the Germans will figure that out pretty soon, the whole situation is changed. In that situation, Kreigsmarine has no reason to just sat in Kiel doing nothing, and it can besiege the UK! The whole situation is turned upside down. Now, Kriegsmarine controlling the sea, there is no hope of getting the American coal to the Navy! I see no reason why the Germans would have played gentleman and used only single ships to have 1-1 duels with the brits.

UK would have fallen.

SNIP

but there would still be reserves of oil that the fleet would use also the Royal navy mostly stayed in port during the war so the Germans and the British would have the same oil problems

I'll have America.

but there would still be reserves of oil that the fleet would use also the Royal navy mostly stayed in port during the war so the Germans and the British would have the same oil problems

I do not fully understand your language, man. Please check the grammar a bit. If I got it, you are saying that if British navy stays in port, Germans will have oil problems?

In a matter of fact, neither side had any major oil/coal shortages during the war. Germany got more than enough of both of them, coal from her own mines and oil from Rumania (same Ploiesti fields than in the next war I persume). Brits received oil from Middle East and her own coal mines (when the workers weren't in a strike) produced more than enough... This whole problem here seems rather hypothetical.

it would take too long to send large forces both ways and the journey would be filled with danger from German colony's and U-boats!

also it would provide the spark to set off India

I disagree. The time would be longer, yes, but not desicively. It is perfectly possible to control it in 1915 if it was possible in 1868. German U-Boats would not form too great threat, neither. Their bases in coast of North Sea were close enough for them to operate around pacific, but certainly not enough for African coastline. The Brits would just move in protected convoys, and manage just fine. Taking losses, of course, but that is certainly not enough to let the India slip outta their hands! The threat that German colonies posessed was crushed almost immediately when the war begun. Lettow-Vorbek fought his magnificent guerilla war tohough, but all ports and major "cities" that there were were conquered in early stage. Besides, there were no bases able to host submarines.
British navy controlling the world seas, the whole idea of major Kriegsmarine bases in Africa seems barely more than pure fantasy.

Indian independence movement was really weak in the early 20th century. The fact that the travelling between Plymouth and Bombay takes few months more than before will not kick the Englishmen out.

your forgetting British ships could be sent as escort for the supply boats (they could get refuelled in the U.S/Canada)

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I take it this is well and truly dead then :(

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