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MENACHEM BEGIN Class Gun-Cruiser

This design has been in use with the IDF Navy for a while now (designed in January), but IDF has now decided that this ship should be cleared for international sale after some of the upgraded classified equpment was removed. The Begin class has proven itself in battle many times and has beaten many comparable cruisers in various engagements including the IDF Civil War.

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SPECIFICATIONS FOR ISS MENACHEM BEGIN, CA-24

LENTH: 784.5 feet long
BEAM: 136 feet (trimarian hull)
DRAFT: 31.5 feet
DISPLACEMENT: 38,500 tons
POWERPLANT: 6 pebblebed reactors 255,000 shp
PROPULSION: 4 reversible pitch screws
MANEUVERING: 2 x rudders aft, 2 bow and 2 aft thrusters
SPEED: 36 knots max for 12 hours, 32 max sustained for 1 week


ARMAMENTS:
9 x 10” 55 cal. IDF MK-114 Rapid Fire semi-automatic ETC Cannons (3 triple turrets). These guns were specially designed for this ship and actually the ship was designed to carry these guns. The guns have a max range of 80 km-100km, about 20-25% less than the range of comparable cannons, but that is so the guns can have their strength. The guns were made for massive fire power to be delivered quickly. IDF Engineers took the guns from The Des Moines class CA's and worked to improve her guns and their rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute per barrel. During tests, the guns fired about 15 times per minute per barrel or 135 x 10” shells in a single minute!!!!!! These guns are superior when it comes to shore bombardments. Imagine being able to put 135 shells on a beach in 1 minute when you are trying to clear the beach for an invasion team. Or imagine a duel between 2 cruisers. Who will win if you have a much better firing rate than the enemy? The guns can be elevated to 42 degrees, giving them AA capabilities. The only disadvantage of the fast firing rate is that you will eventually run out of ammo, but your target will probably be dead by that time.

15 x 5” 42 cal MK-102 ETC (15 single mounts)semi-automatic cannons, range of 55 km. These guns can fire about 30 times a minute so that equals 450 shells fired per minute from the ship. This adds to the quick fire power of the main cannons. These guns are also good for the killing of shore targets or other ships at closer ranges. They are very good if you want to clear an area of enemy troops.

9 x 8 (72 cell) VLS system aft of superstructure. This system is better if you want to defend yourself with SAMs or if you want to attack at longer ranges than your guns allow.

4 x 10 box RAM launchers. Each of these RAM launchers is positioned at the corners of the superstructure.

8 x 30 mm Goalkeeper CIWS system.


ARMOR
10" Belt,
10.5" Turrets,
6" Deck,
8" Superstructure

The armor is made up of the steel hull, Kevlar to deflect fragments, tubes running through the interior of the hull to help absorb and break up the explosive force of a weapon impact. Fire proof coating is placed all around the interior and exterior of the ship. The outriggers work as armor themselves. They contain quarters for the crew and storage for supplies like food. The outriggers can absorb impacts to help keep the guns and VLS systems safe from enemy weapons. No battle-stations are in the outriggers as they are used specifically for non-battle usage. This gives the ship much survivability.

STEALTH
The ship wasn't built to be a stealth ship as her primary ability as the Meir was, but she adopts the Meir's innovative designs. Most notable is the superstructure design, jokingly called the F-117 design. This reflects RADAR waves and reduces the RCS. The trimarian hull also helps give her stealth. Another note worthy stealth innovation is the fact that most of the decks, especially the well decks, are angled to give a smaller RCS. On top of this, the hull is coated with RADAR absorbing materials.

RADAR
Regular IDF Aegis III suite
Air Search/Fire Control: RCA SPY-4(V) phased arrays AEGIS
Surface Search: Norden SPS-71(V)3
Navigation: Raytheon SPS-82(V)9
Fire Control: 3 Raytheon RCA SPG-74

SONAR
Gould/Raytheon SQQ-89(V)10; combines SQS-53C bow mounted active search/attack with SQR-19B passive towed array
Nothing too remarkable here as this isn't an ASW platform, but it's still a very competent system.

AIRCRAFT
No hangar facities or shelters, but the ship can land 1 SH-60 Seahawk or equivilant chopper. If some 5” guns are removed, then a hangar can be added for choppers.

PRICE = $5 billion

The TDF (Tarlag Defense force) wishes to purchase three of this class cruiser for our navy. Before we buy we have a number of questions we would liked answered.
1) Are these ships new builds or used. If they are used please state the ships current age and condition.
2) We would like to have custom communications gear installed to help in ship to shore and ship to air communications. We would like to make the ship a command unit for any invasion force.
3) Removal of four of the 30mm goalkeeper weapon mounts to be replaced by four of our home produced Hedgehog AMS systems.

The TDF (Tarlag Defense force) wishes to purchase three of this class cruiser for our navy. Before we buy we have a number of questions we would liked answered.
1) Are these ships new builds or used. If they are used please state the ships current age and condition.
2) We would like to have custom communications gear installed to help in ship to shore and ship to air communications. We would like to make the ship a command unit for any invasion force.
3) Removal of four of the 30mm goalkeeper weapon mounts to be replaced by four of our home produced Hedgehog AMS systems.
The ships we are selling are brand new and haven't been built yet. I can deliver them 4 NS years after order (assuming 1 NS year = 1 RL day). We can have the special communicatoins gear you want, it won't be too much trouble to put in. The removal of the goalkeepers will be easy. We can install the Hedgehog for you or just deliver the ships and let you install them yourself. It's your call.

The confederacy of Spizania wishes to order 24 of these superb vessels, 120 billion dollars will be wired on confirmation.

We would like to enquire if production rights to this vessel can be purchased.

(OOC: Can i buy production rights fro this vessel to use in an off site RP forum? (W@W))

The confederacy of Spizania wishes to order 24 of these superb vessels, 120 billion dollars will be wired on confirmation.

We would like to enquire if production rights to this vessel can be purchased.

(OOC: Can i buy production rights fro this vessel to use in an off site RP forum? (W@W))
We will be glad to build the vessels. The 1st will be ready in 3 NS years and the final will be delivered in 7 NS years.

OOC: I will let you have production rights so long as it is W@W only and not NS. Just attribute the design to me when you list it among your Naval stats. Oh BTW, I'd like to know he this ship performs on W@W. I used to be in it, but haven't had the time. I'm thinking about going back to it.

Yes i will mention you, adn hope you come back sometime
Thanks

Tarlag will purchase three of these ships. With your permission we will install both the Hedgehog and custom comm. gear ourselves.

OOC: May I ask, what is used to draw these ships? Is it just paint, or is there some awesome program I don't know about that I could exploit?

The PFRNC Marinaterre would like to pruchase 50 of the said ships
($250 billion) and requests permission to modify the ships for its own uses once delivered. Thanks!

The Imperial navy will buy 100 of these ships for $500,000,000 dollars.

OOC: May I ask, what is used to draw these ships? Is it just paint, or is there some awesome program I don't know about that I could exploit?
We just use MS Paint. There's an NS Forum dedicated to it here (http://s13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc). Feel free to visit.

Anyway, IDF, nice ship. I'm not keen on the 5" guns though, I think you should remove some of them and up the main gun armament to 12".

OOC: May I ask, what is used to draw these ships? Is it just paint, or is there some awesome program I don't know about that I could exploit?
OOC: I use paint, just use the zoom function when working on parts of the ship that require detail,

The PFRNC Marinaterre would like to pruchase 50 of the said ships
($250 billion) and requests permission to modify the ships for its own uses once delivered. Thanks!
The order is confirmed. The order will be delivered as ships are completed with the 1st being done in 3 years and the final being done in 8 NS years. You can modify them as you like.

I put a post above your most recent one IDF, in case you missed it. I also think you should up the VLS armament, but there we go.

The Imperial navy will buy 100 of these ships for $500,000,000 dollars.
The order is confirmed. 1st delivery will be in 3 NS years with the last ships being delivered in just under 10 NS years.

We just use MS Paint. There's an NS Forum dedicated to it here (http://s13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc). Feel free to visit.

Anyway, IDF, nice ship. I'm not keen on the 5" guns though, I think you should remove some of them and up the main gun armament to 12".
I see what you are saying, but the reason I can't put a 12" on is that I can't make a rapid firing 12" gun. 10" was the max if I wanted a heavy fire rate of 15 rounds per minute per barrel (135 rounds total per minute). The 5" are good for adding more fire in shore bombardment or close quarters combat with another ship.

I suppose. it's still a nice ship.

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Id love to have those 10 inch guns on a Battlecruiser chassis.

Due to a naval expansion bill just signed by the Grand Duke, Tarlag will order six of these ships with the previous stated modifications.
30 Billion will be wired on confirmation of this order.

Due to a naval expansion bill just signed by the Grand Duke, Tarlag will order six of these ships with the previous stated modifications.
30 Billion will be wired on confirmation of this order.
Wow I'm really late here, but confirmed.

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The Federation of Amazonian Beasts will buy 10 of these ships for $50 billion, and requests the right to modify the weapon systems mentioned earlier on the cruisers.

The Federation of Amazonian Beasts will buy 10 of these ships for $50 billion, and requests the right to modify the weapon systems mentioned earlier on the cruisers.
This order is confirmed. You can modify the weapons however you like, but be advised this will void the warranty.

Wow I forgot I ordered Six more of these ships. I still want the order filled Two of the ships from my first order have seen combat and they have proven their worth. I have placed them in special shore bombardment groups and they seem to be very effective. The only draw back they have is the relatively short range of the ten inch guns as compared to the rest of my naval ordnance.

Wow I forgot I ordered Six more of these ships. I still want the order filled Two of the ships from my first order have seen combat and they have proven their worth. I have placed them in special shore bombardment groups and they seem to be very effective. The only draw back they have is the relatively short range of the ten inch guns as compared to the rest of my naval ordnance.
I have encountered the same issue when using them in war. For longer distances I use battleships or missiles. The fast firing guns are best for shore bombardment as you can just saturate a coast with these. Imagine one of these ships supporting an invasion like Operation Overlord. They are good for Naval combat when they are within gun range. You can just beat the crap out of an enemy's hull before he can fire enough shells to do the same to you.

I have not put any battleships in the bombardment groups. The standard group now consists of one or two gun cruisers one CAG ( 6x8 inch guns plus missiles) and one BCL (9x12 inch guns plus missiles). Granted the range is shorter then the 16 inch guns of most battleships but after they get into range the greater rate of fire makes up the difference.
I find the rapid rate of fire of the ten inch guns can devastate an LZ making any troop landings easier.

The esteemed Commonwealth of Verograd is ready to isssue $25 billion for the production of 5 operation battleships, under the ruse of funding the creation of an orphanage (so we can maximize military spending). When ready to deal the money will be wired to your accout.

The esteemed Commonwealth of Verograd is ready to isssue $25 billion for the production of 5 operation battleships, under the ruse of funding the creation of an orphanage (so we can maximize military spending). When ready to deal the money will be wired to your accout.
Confirmed (I like the way you do a military budget)