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IC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9810469#post9810469
Palestinian Riots (ATTN Andmerica): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451262
Invasion of Communist China (ATTN Tadjikistan, Maldaathi):http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451630

You click on the thread, skim read the text. Hooray, you think. Another WWII RP! Just what the community needs.

Yeah, well I enjoy WWII RPs, as do others. If you don't, so what? Does it really take a toll on you if some other guys are doing a WWII RP?

Ok, this is my second WWII RP. The first one was pretty successful, some of you may remember it. (Though I doubt that)

Okay, the RP will begin in 1936. I find this good, as it allows people to lead nations in other directions than their historic routes.

Every country at the time is available. (I have a list of countries, leaders, viable research etc. thanks to Hearts of Iron II, a PC game which I recommend to all WWII RPers) Countries will be given on a first-come, first-serve basis. There will be no reservations of countries. If a player is inactive for 10 days, their slot will be emptied and their country available to others.

The RP shall proceed on a time basis of 1 RL week= 1 in-game year, however this will be delayed at first while I wait for people to join.

Your nation does not have to follow the historical path. It may do things differently, as long as it is feasible; eg. you are Italy and want to join the Allies in 1938. You can't just DO it. If you have Mussolini die, or stage a coup then THAT is feasable.

Technology: All nations have available technology at the time. Try to find out your country's technology, otherwise telegram me on NS and I will do it. Research can be done, but once again only feasable stuff. Luxemburg can't discover A-Bombs in 1937.

General Rules + Things to remember:

1. Tolerate others. This is just a game.

2. Follow the above guidelines and you will do okay.

3. In combat and battles, don't godmode and cheat. You will be respected more for accepting defeat.

4. NO flaming, spamming, swearing, rudeness or anything else bad.

5. The Holocaust, Ghulags, concentration camps. etc. are fine. They are a part of history. However, neo-Nazism, incitement to racial hatred is NOT okay.

7. If you break the rules, you will be asked to leave.

8. If you have any queries about the RP or RPs in general, feel free to telegram me on NS. (Don't message me on forum as I don't check it)

9. Use proper grammar and spelling.

10. Have fun!! It's a game!!

List of Countries

WZO=Spooty
USSR=Tadjikistan
Germany=
USA=
France=
Italy=Brigidonia
UK=
Japan=
New China=Jagonia
British Navy=Cobdenia
Yugoslavia=Willink
Poland=Crazed Marines
Bulgaria=Lachenburg
Romania=Hyst
Shanxi=Maldaathi
Greece=USSNA
Switzerland=The Druidae
Turkey=Hanseania
Hungary=
Australia=Comstan
Republican Spain=Madnestan
Ireland=
Austria=Modokov
Bahawalpur=Chinkopodia
Sweden=[NS]Kreynoria

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Ok, this is my second WWII RP. The first one was pretty successful, some of you may remember it. (Though I doubt that)

I remember it, Luxembourg again please.

i'll take... hmmm, either GB or some other non-neutral country that fought, maybe china - japan would be hard to play as

I'd like to be Germany, if you don't mind. :D

Can a fool like me participate as the USSR?

Dont worry about tech, its not a problem (I also have HoI's 1 and 2)

Okay, Luxembourg :) Germany and USSR approved. (HoI is a good game, isn't it?)

Andmerica: What do you want then? China is not being counted as a whole, it is divided into cliques:

Nationalist China (Central and east)
Communist China (small, central-westerny)
Shanxi (North)
Mangchukuo(Far North, Japanese occupied)
Xibei San Ma(West)
Sinkiang(Far West)
Guanxi Clique (South)

I'll start as soon as we get an Allies country. eg. Britain or France probably

I'm gonna wait before choosing a country.

BTW, all unclaimed countries can be RPed by me if needed.

I'd like teh US if it's still open :) Or Japan if it's not

USA is open. It's yours.

I will be France por Favor

France affirmative.

Okay, I'm going to make the IC now. Hang on a sec..

Please can i be Italy?

Yep, Italy is good.

IC is up people, I'm posting a link in the intro.

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alright, i'll take Great Britain then for sure, i am most familiar with them and america and Great britain is open

Okay, Britain approved.

I'd like to play as Japan. I don't really know that much about it in this time period, but I'll try to learn.

Linking the OOC Signup thread in the IC thread is useful, buts its also good to link the IC thread in the OOC Signup thread.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=450159

HoI is indeed a good game, Second version needs an editor that'll allow me to alter things and make everything more interesting.

Caladonn: Japan approved. If you need any help on time period etc. just ask me.

Tadjikistan: I thought I already had a link in the intro? Ah well.

I think that I'll be Nationalist China actually. :)

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Oh, all right, I'll be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Sorry Cobdenia, but the UK is taken :(

There are still loads of others though.

Bugger. Okay, I'll be...urm...ooh! I know!Wwould Andmerica let me control Britain's Navy. That, or failing that, India and Burma ?

I don't "do" land battles!

I don't know about the Navy (ask Andmerica) but India and Burma are open HOWEVER they are protectorates of UK. You can still claim them though.

I'll wait for what Andmerica says. I like being Navy's. I prefer the sea to the land; and Britian has the largest Navy in 36, and the only Navy worth controlling seperately from the army.

I do really good Navy RP's...

Yeah, well you can RP the Navy, but only with Andmerica's permission.

Yay! I'll TG him immeadiately!

Okay. Let me know his reply.


Please can SOMEONE do SOMETHING on the IC? We need people to start doing stuff to get this RP on its feet.

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I've got a pretty good navy... Ten fleet carriers I believe. Or maybe that was a bit later? I don't know...

Anyway, anyone have the population of Japan at this time? Also, how's the political scene? I know Hirohito is emperor, but I believe he was controlled by the military... General Togo and Admiral Yamamoto come to mind, but I'm not really sure, a wiki and google search didn't yield much information.

Also, how much Alt hist license are we given here? I'd like to tweak a few things if that's ok.

Tadjikistan: I thought I already had a link in the intro? Ah well.

Indeed, probably looked over it.

Andmerica is cool with my idea. Yay!

I've got a pretty good navy... Ten fleet carriers I believe. Or maybe that was a bit later? I don't know...

Anyway, anyone have the population of Japan at this time? Also, how's the political scene? I know Hirohito is emperor, but I believe he was controlled by the military... General Togo and Admiral Yamamoto come to mind, but I'm not really sure, a wiki and google search didn't yield much information.

Also, how much Alt hist license are we given here? I'd like to tweak a few things if that's ok.

I know in the 1930's Britain had a larger Navy than the next three combined, but by 1941, due to expansion in America and the U-boat tolls, we were reduced to second place.

As for Alt history, as long as it's realistic and goes with the technology (I tend to have the tech evolve as it did in real life), it's fine. The whole idea is a bit of Alt history!

Cobdenia: Okay, I'll update and put you in list.

Caladonn: I'll check up on the politics and economy of Japan for you.

Okay, Caladonn:

Japan has a very good military: a large army, a reasonably good airforce and an excellent navy (you do have alot of carriers, not sure on specifics). Japan has a good industry, more advanced than most in Asia.

Politically, Japan is military dominated, though Hirohito does hold a good amount of power. The cabinet follows, note Togo does not feature, though he does hold alot of influence politically:

Head of State: Emperor Hirohito
Head of Government: Okada Keisuke
Foreign Minister: Hirota Koki
Armaments Minister: Machida Chuji
Minister of Security: Goto Fumio
Head of Intelligence: Okamura Yasuji
Chief of Staff and Chief of the Army: Kanin Kotohito
Chief of Navy: Osami Masahiro
Chief of the Airforce: Yamamoto Isoroku

Can I make a suggestion?

Why doesn't everybody put there country in their sig? I remember getting ever so confused last time as to whom was who

Can I make a suggestion?

Why doesn't everybody put there country in their sig? I remember getting ever so confused last time as to whom was who

:P
sorry to be pedantic, but shouldn't that be who?

One word of advice for all participants in this RP:

Wikipedia


It'll help loads, believe me.

Good suggestions everyone. If you don't mind putting your country in your sig, then go ahead.

Great, thanks a lot! I thought Yamamoto and Togo were around at this time, but apparently they were a bit later.

Wikipedia is very helpful, but they don't have much info for this specific time. The ten carrier thing is based off 1941, as is everything else, so I'm going to go with 8 or so for now.

Make that 7 Caladonn, don't be too hasty to start building nothing but weapons. Remember, this is 1937-38 right now. So be patient. ;)

Actually, it's 1936 at the moment. :)

Ok, can i sign up as say, Yugoslavia ?

Yeah, Yugoslavia is yours.

i'll post later today

Okay.

BTW, is the forum acting up or something? It keeps mucking up when I try to access it.

BTW, is the forum acting up or something? It keeps mucking up when I try to access it.

simply, yes

simply, yes

lol. Have they fixed it now though?

okay officially I suck at Luxembourg so far, my mind is blank, I personally blame writers block, unofficially, Kippers.

Yeah short story, can I change from Luxembourg to the combined Jewish population including the WZO?

You could, but it would be hard to survive with the Nazis around...

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I'm going to Venice for a week, leaving this afternoon. Basically, I should be able to check up on the RP, but maybe only every 2 days or something. But don't worry, just explaining why I may have late replies.

Now, I'm curious. Will this be an alternate histroy or a historically accurate.

If it's alternate I would kina want to be mexico and accept Germany's offer cor aide in exchange for declaring war on the US. If it's histroically accurate, I gotta go with the Canucks (cannadians)

Up to 1936, everthing has gone as in history, but from now on...

Hyst will officially take Romania

Ill be Shanxi if it isnt already taken (The Chinese Province) if its taken, Ill have Australia (Finally stupid school will actually be useful) if its taken, Ill have New Zealand (heh) if thats taken, Ill just dig a hole and lie in it. Ill need someone to cover me up but IS THAT SO HARD!?

Seven is fine too.

It's good we're getting so many people!

I have this crazy idea of playing the White Russians... :p Too bad in '36 I could propably come up with, what, a company? of sons of emigrates around Europe. If the USSR is ever invaded by Germany, GOSH I'd like to play the White Army fighting alongside the Wehrmacht... But that's enough dreaming for one post.

Greece for me, please :) .

Okay, I have a strange question:

What's with all this stuff about invading Chechnya in peoples sigs about?

I'm interrested about that also... I suggest you make an own OOC-about that, to get the answer and to avoid unnecessary chatting here. :)

Lots of people are like, "98% of teenagers smoke pot. If you're one of the 2% who doesn't, copy and paste this into your sig."

First off, this is probably wrong, as I'm a teenager and I don't think I know anyone who smokes pot, and secondly, it's pretty sad if you feel the need to brag about not doing something in your sig.

Yeah, that's about it. Back to 1936 now.

Ah yes, yet another World War II RP (the first one in quite awhile).

If you do not mind, I would like to claim Bulgaria.

Ok, there are several things I'd like to address here, concerning the IC thread.

Should i come up with a new name? I don't know, so i'll just avoid using a direct name. So far i will just be using random names i come up with

Lisburn, England - 1936
Thiepval Barracks

It was a cold and rainy night, but it was no ordinary night. Of every single person in Great Britain at the time, only 10 people knew that this cold and rainy night would leave a mark in World history for many years to come.
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The prime minister walked into the room, and sat down at his designated chair. He checked his tie and suit, and made sure that it was clean.

And obviously uncomfortable relatively young Lieutenant Colonel walks into the room, and he hands the prime minister a yellow folder.

"Sir, the General could not make it tonight. But he wanted me to give this to you. Its a note from one of our spies in Germany."
"There is no need to call me sir, even if I ever join the military I seriously doubt I could make Lieutenant Colonel."

His eyes scanned the document. "I see. Did the spy get any more information?"

"No, I'm sorry, the agent we received it from dissappeared and was 'found' by some SA officers a few days later. It is all the information we have, but it worries me, and the general."

"It worries me too, Germans obviously are showing signs of aggresiveness, and building these arms factories proves so. But we cannot be sure. We must wait for something to tell us that we must stop them. Until then, I want our agents working as hard as possible to uncover as much information as possible, we cannot risk letting another war happen."
"Yes sir."

The lieutenant colonel walks out of the room, and quickly walks to his office. he closed his eyes, knowing that the prime minister was in the dark about some things, and knowing that if they weren't prepared, the entire world could pay the consequences of their gamble. He grabbed some tea and sipped on it, wishing that he had some American Coffee. He really needed the caffeine

i haven't been writing much lately, but i hope this is good enough for it to fit :)

Heres a short overview of how Chamberlain, your present Prime Minister who you were using in the above post, presided over British foreign affairs:

The repeated failures of the Baldwin government to deal with rising Nazi power are often laid, historically, on the doorstep of Chamberlain, since he presided over the final collapse of European affairs, resisted acting on military information, lied to the House of Commons about Nazi military strength, shunted out opposition which, correctly, warned of the need to prepare - and above all, failed to use the months profitably to ready for the oncoming conflict.

Need I say more?

Yes, but it doesn't mention Neville Chamberlain. In the last RP, when I was the UK, Chamberlain died of Cancer and I had Churchill replace him (albeit not immediately). And Britain was very definately spying on Germany at the time, the RAF was being built up, but Chamberlain just didn't want a war and so, effectively, lied to the house.

In fact, Naval intelligence is just sending in a spy to replace the MI6 spy and to pick up the trail...

This is Alt. reality, remember

*sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service

Along with the rest of the intelligence community and the wider government, SIS switched focus in the 1930s to Nazi Germany. Again its success was rather modest; although it did acquire several quite reliable sources within the Government and also the German Admiralty, its information was probably less comprehensive than that provided by the rival network of Robert Vansittart, the permanent undersecretary at the Foreign Office.

I'm working on the German Admiralty...

hey jag. I remember our first WW2 RP, but a lot of people couldn't post because of things like camp. Do you mind if I join late and get a small country...I think I'd like something like Polish the Polish Resistance. If it is still free, I'll take it, allow it to be conquered, and go from there.

OOC: Hi from Venice!

Okay, all claims affirmative. I'll just update the list.

Awesome

Jag dude, you have me down as Luxembourg but i changed my claim a few pages back fearing that i would get instantly crushed, i changed it to the World Zionist Organisation, you did say that was cool, is it still cool?

Reply in the IC thread Jag?

Jag dude, you have me down as Luxembourg but i changed my claim a few pages back fearing that i would get instantly crushed, i changed it to the World Zionist Organisation, you did say that was cool, is it still cool?

Err is that even a country lol....?

oh and i have some miscillaneous questions, like why does Britain have a seperate RPer for it's navy? And if there is no-one to RP against (I need a Palestine) do i just RP with myself fighting NPC's?

Err is that even a country lol....?

no, not yet

OOC: I see.... Well they will be crushed by the soon to be strong Shanxi Province whose influence will soon be felt around the world.

OOC: I see.... Well they will be crushed by the soon to be strong Shanxi Province whose influence will soon be felt around the world.

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is Shanxi even a country?

No Shanxi is a northern province in China. It is also China's the largest weapon producing province in the country.

oh, so your threatening to destroy a nation that doesn't yet have independance, is well over 3000 miles away and has upwards of 5 nations between itself and you, well oki, *braces for impact*

You never said WHERE it was....

I'm afraid that I will have to withdraw from this rp, Germany is up for grabs, sorry.

hello. are there any spots open? i would have liked to be germany, but its taken, so ok. if the germany guy leaves, i would like ot take his place, but until then, may i be the commander of a german faction?

You never said WHERE it was....

well i assumed it would be obvious, in fear of insulting you i'll stop here but explain the history of Israel to you.

Israel is a location near the center of the Middle East, it is different from most Middle Eastern nations in that it is prodominantly Jewish, in the early Middle Ages the European nations launched thousands of crusades upon the region when it was under the rule of the Islamic nations, they came attempting to seize the city of Jerusalem, a task which inevitably failed, over 500 years later the Jewish population began to make their way to this region, they claimed that "if Poland has it's own state, then why can the Jewish not?" During the period known as the Holocaust thousands more Jews returned to the region, thus creating tension between the Jews and the Muslims, eventually this burst and the Jews seized Palestine which they renamed Israel.

Hmmm this is all very fishy....
Well lets see how well you roleplay your faction since you only have 1 post...

I'm afraid that I will have to withdraw from this rp, Germany is up for grabs, sorry.
ok, i just noticed that, can i be germany? please?

hello. are there any spots open? i would have liked to be germany, but its taken, so ok. if the germany guy leaves, i would like ot take his place, but until then, may i be the commander of a german faction?

I already said I'm gone, so if Jagonia lets you thats fine...this is just to make sure everyone knows its official...me saying this.

Hmmm this is all very fishy....
Well lets see how well you roleplay your faction since you only have 1 post...
actualy, ive was Sreavo a few months back, til it got deleated, and participated in many a WWII rp as germany, and since he left, i guess germany' mine then

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Where the hell did Israel come from!?

actualy, ive was Sreavo a few months back, til it got deleated, and participated in many a WWII rp as germany, and since he left, i guess germany' mine then
How many posts did Sreavo have?

Where the hell did Israel come from!?
it wasn't a country yet, but playing as the Hagana, the israeli anti british and anti nazi and anti arab terrorist group would be valid, if my history knowledge is correct

In '36, you have very little to play with though... But neat idea anyways. :) And Antarys, it's not my desicion of course but as this seems to be your first post and so the first RP, I suggest you do not immediately grab the most important country in the world and the upcoming war... It's usually better to start with smaller roles, so I've learnt ;)

Where the hell did Israel come from!?

*slaps head*

How many posts did Sreavo have?
alot! i played as it for years! but then went to camp for a month, and by by sreavo

In '36, you have very little to play with though... But neat idea anyways. :) And Antarys, it's not my desicion of course but as this seems to be your first post and so the first RP, I suggest you do not immediately grab the most important country in the world and the upcoming war... It's usually better to start with smaller roles, so I've learnt ;)
i lost my old country a few months back caus i went to camp, i assure you, im experienced

Yeah Im pretty stupid. Whats your point.

Yeah Im pretty stupid. Whats your point.
i think im experienced to be germany

it wasn't a country yet, but playing as the Hagana, the israeli anti british and anti nazi and anti arab terrorist group would be valid, if my history knowledge is correct

to my knowledge the tactic used was to purchase land and give all the jobs to the Zionists, the Arabs eventually would leave, which they didn't and instead they rioted causing a war of independance which the Zionists won yay for Zionism.

i think im experienced to be germany
Why the hell do you keep quoting me when im not talking to you!?

to my knowledge the tactic used was to purchase land and give all the jobs to the Zionists, the Arabs eventually would leave, which they didn't and instead they rioted causing a war of independance which the Zionists won yay for Zionism.
yes, but there was a jewish terrorist group that did used bombing tactics to remove the british. and dont say im anti-semetic, im jewish

Why the hell do you keep quoting me when im not talking to you!?
sry, thought you were

LoL no probs. This OOC thread really got started eh?

so, can i be germany?

yes, but there was a jewish terrorist group that did used bombing tactics to remove the british. and dont say im anti-semetic, im jewish

I didn't call you anti-semetic ._.

I want to be Jewish but it seem's so difficult :(

yeah after some research I found the Haganah, they wern't anti-British infact fighting alongside the British in 1936 (yay i get to fight a riot!!!) and also helped the Allies in WWII, so the're cool.

ok, when do we begin? and am i germany?

*repeats question*

k, what do we do for NPC nations?

No we havent started. And wait for Jag to tell you that you can be Germany.

NPC nations can either be RP'd be yourself (As long as your fair) or If you cant be fair have someone else RP it for you.

NPC nations can either be RP'd be yourself (As long as your fair) or If you cant be fair have someone else RP it for you.

gewd, as soon as we do get started then i need to RP Palestinian Arabs :( unless someone else wants to do so.

As I have been saying. We have already started though no doing anything major.... (Why isnt invading my province classified as Major? :( )

As I have been saying. We have already started though no doing anything major.... (Why isnt invading my province classified as Major? :( )

I consider a large scale riot major, however i don't consider the invasion of a fictional country major :P

I consider a large scale riot major, however i don't consider the invasion of a fictional country major :P

Shanxi did exist in 1936, as an semi-independent warlord nation, with very close relations to Nationalist China. But it was indeed a "non-fictional" country.

Shanxi did exist in 1936, as an semi-independent warlord nation, with very close relations to Nationalist China. But it was indeed a "non-fictional" country.

my bad, still not major :P

Nah uh. Shanxi was always a China Province. (I have read alot of books about China in this period of time)

1st) I'm not really all that able to be active for most of the weekdays, so don't be annoyed by inactivity


Also, when does britain get a new prime minister? Once i get a new one in, the world will be a bit different and i can bend what happened a little bit so that i don't have to worry about being historically accurate (i don't know much about British history or anything... :( )

normally it happens every 4 years or so, i beleive that the next elections are on the tenth of May 1940, or even in 1936, hang on....

yeah 28th of May 1937, historically the Conservative party won, oh and check out Wiki for that sort of info, it can do it about ten times faster than we can :P

Nah uh. Shanxi was always a China Province. (I have read alot of books about China in this period of time)

Have you seen the game hearts of Iron II by Paradox? That's one of the most reliable source of the period one could hope to find. In it, and in the history book of my school, the Shanxi is shown as a semi-independent, =almost-puppet nation of Nat.China.

Can I be Switzerland plz.

Greetings.

I'd be happy if I would be allowed to play Turkey.

Greetings.

I'd be happy if I would be allowed to play Turkey.

at last some company in the Middle East!

Greetings.

I'd be happy if I would be allowed to play Turkey.

So now we have Turkey, Greece, Israel and Palestinians.

I have a feeling we'll have a damn interresting Eastern Mediterranean threatre and Middle East :D

So now we have Turkey, Greece, Israel and Palestinians.

We do? That's not on the front sheet, anyway Palestine is a British ruled area which is slowly working it's way to independance (til i come along) I'm hoping that i can make the 1936 riots go far more extreme alowing for me to hopefully take Palestine, but if there is a Palestine player i'll have to work somthing out.

Uh, oh. No. We don't. After re-reading this thread through, I actually have no clue from where did I pull that Palestine from :confused:

So, just ignore what I said about it. I must be more tired that I thought I were....

I am very interested in joining this RP as Hungary if that is possible.

for the love of god let us start!!!

the suspense is killing me

the game's already afoot. It's been around the whole time

yeah but we're not allowed anything major, a full scale riot in the whole province of Palestine is slightly major.

Can I play as Australia?

Greetings.

I'd be happy if I would be allowed to play Turkey.

*gobble gobble gibble gob gobble gobblegobble* You decipher the message and it says if your allowed or not :P

Uh, oh. No. We don't. After re-reading this thread through, I actually have no clue from where did I pull that Palestine from :confused:

So, just ignore what I said about it. I must be more tired that I thought I were....

Maybe coz Spooty keeps talking about Palestines?

Andmerica, I need to know where you stand in the riots which will consume British conrolled Palestine, historically the Brits sided with the Jews, but will you?

Oooh another war already.

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All countries approved, Spooty is switching, etc. etc.

BTW, Major operations can be done, so Spooty, you're good to go.

People: all taken countries are on the front page, and any that aren't there can be claimed. Simple.

woot!!!

now all i need is to know where Britain stands :(

so, when do we begin?

umm, now

The Palestinian Riots Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451262

COOL! welcome to 1936.......

Yaaay!

Before anyone asks, the answer is no, I can not think of a good reason why my spy had to go through all this malarky with submarines instead of getting on a 'plane or a boat!

Well the spy isn't coming to Shanxi so im happy... why would you want to anyway?

for the love of God will sombody please RP the Palestinians!

I can RP the Palestinians Spooty, however I can't do it now. I'll be able to tomorrow if you can wait that long. :)

yeah i'd have to wait that long anyway, Andamerica (Britain) says that he can only get on on weekends.

USSR can you please come to our aid......?

I'd like to know who is Germany, as I was expecting Trashia and me RP a meeting between our ministers of Foreign affairs.

As for Shanxi, why would Stalin help you, another capitalist warlord?

that'd be Antarys

USSR can you please come to our aid......?

People, please! Keep OC and IIC separeted! Which one is this, for example?

that's ooc since theis is the OOC thread!

Well the spy isn't coming to Shanxi so im happy... why would you want to anyway?

He was originally going to spy on Japan, but I decided that a tall, upper middle class Englishman would have been as subtle as a fart in puddle!

I'd like to know who is Germany, as I was expecting Trashia and me RP a meeting between our ministers of Foreign affairs.

As for Shanxi, why would Stalin help you, another capitalist warlord?

Errr Shanxi isn't capitalist...

People, please! Keep OC and IIC separeted! Which one is this, for example?

Please, please! Shut up. It was OOC. More of a 'hurry up and decide'. If i was IC id do something decent.

Can I be Czech Republic or Belarus or maybe Portugal. I wanna be one of those. They're minor but it gives me something to do.

Sure why not.

Errr Shanxi isn't capitalist...

I dont remember Shanxi as being left (socialist or communist) and it does not serve the USSRs political agenda. So the question remains, why would Stalin(not me but Stalin) help you?

can we play countries that did not fight in the war, and make it so they did?

I guess you can

Can I be Czech Republic or Belarus or maybe Portugal. I wanna be one of those. They're minor but it gives me something to do.

Czech Republic didn't exist (Czechoslovakia) and neither did Belarus (USSR).

I dont remember Shanxi as being left (socialist or communist) and it does not serve the USSRs political agenda. So the question remains, why would Stalin(not me but Stalin) help you?

Stalin should help Shanxi because Im sure if you ask ICly they will aid you later on should you ever invade China, which in the future (in my opinion) becomes a stronger world power than you. Among other various requests should the need arise...

Shanxi: please note that we are not invading you because we want to, but because we're a bit scared of Japan. :(

Can anyone find me a large (readable) map of China in the WW2 Era that has the provinces marked out? I sure can't.

Yep, sure hang on..

Now my utter incompetence is shown. I have a picture in "My Pictures", but I don't know how to display it.

Here. (http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3646/shanxi4wr.jpg) It is not perfect, but gives a rather good idea.

The yellow is Nationalist China, light green in North of it is Shanxi, turcose in South of it is Quanxi Clique, Brown on left is Yunnan and dark green North of it is Xibei San Ma, a puppet of Nat.China. Yunnan and Quanxi Clique are independant -though weak- warlord states. Orange is Communist China and dark yellow obviously Japan.

Here. (http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3646/shanxi4wr.jpg) It is not perfect, but gives a rather good idea.

The yellow is Nationalist China, light green in North of it is Shanxi, turcose in South of it is Quanxi Clique, Brown on left is Yunnan and dark green North of it is Xibei San Ma, a puppet of Nat.China. Yunnan and Quanxi Clique are independant -though weak- warlord states. Orange is Communist China and dark yellow obviously Japan.


lol, I had a pic of HoI2 as well.

Thanks guys. Also what game is HoI2 (Full Name)

Hearts of Iron II. It's a good game, but it has a steep learning curve and is not good if you don't like strategy. You can play as Shanxi in it!!

Cool ill look into it. I kinda like RotK 13 (Romance of the Kingdoms) based around Dynasty Warriors but you command provinces and go to war.

Stalin should help Shanxi because Im sure if you ask ICly they will aid you later on should you ever invade China, which in the future (in my opinion) becomes a stronger world power than you. Among other various requests should the need arise...

Correction, with my help Communist China becomes more powerful(more powerful than the USSR? depends on how the rest of the story unfolds).

But in the meantime I already added Shanxi in a message to Japan and Nat. China

and a note for all who may fight Poland. My country is too poor to afford Anti-tank guns, so we are focsing on ATRs. An ATR is good for disabling a tank or killing its crew. Only a lucky shot will actually make the tank explode (hitting the engine, fuel lines/ barrels, or ammunition). I'm not gonna godmod and say it kills every time. For pete's sake, its Polish made and will jam a lot. Its single-shot bolt action, so it takes a long time to reload, but the gunners will be using it at point-blank range inside cities and in groups, so expect to lose a few tanks each time the wolf packs strike. I'm gonna arbitrarily say that when an invasion comes, there will be about 15 thousand out there and about a hundred shots per. Its a really simple gun to make, and the ammunition's cheap to make as well.

So, anyone want to invade me?

I'd like to ask something. I've been away for a few days, and it's pretty much impossible for me to catch up on everything that's happened as Japan. Originally, I wanted to play as the US; however, I thought Japan was a good second.

However, DrachRyu hasn't posted on any of the threads in a very long time, I believe their only post was to claim. So I'd like to ask if I could RP as the US. I thought that before when it had only been a few days since DrachRyu claimed it was asking too much, but now it's been a while. Would that be OK? If not, I can continue as Japan.

I've just had an idea: Seeing as I am seperate from Great Britain as the Navy, would whoever is the UK mind if I launched coup for some reason (alliance with Germany, perhaps)? I won't do it for a while, but it may make things interesting!

I've just had an idea: Seeing as I am seperate from Great Britain as the Navy, would whoever is the UK mind if I launched coup for some reason (alliance with Germany, perhaps)? I won't do it for a while, but it may make things interesting!

Navy doing a coup? That would be original - that's for sure...

OOC: Okay Caladonn, I agree that DrachRyu hasn't been very active, as well as a few others. I'll clean up the lost and add you as the US.


BTW, two minor naval coups were attempted during the Napoleonic Wars, but both were crushed. Just went to an exhibition about Nelson & Napoleon.

So an invasion of Manchuria is not possible, aiding The communists is also impossible now.

No, you could do it, just someone else would have to RP Japan. Also, Tadjikistan, I need you to check out the Invasion of Communist China Thread. If you want to support them, now is the time.

I'd like to ask something. I've been away for a few days, and it's pretty much impossible for me to catch up on everything that's happened as Japan. Originally, I wanted to play as the US; however, I thought Japan was a good second.

However, DrachRyu hasn't posted on any of the threads in a very long time, I believe their only post was to claim. So I'd like to ask if I could RP as the US. I thought that before when it had only been a few days since DrachRyu claimed it was asking too much, but now it's been a while. Would that be OK? If not, I can continue as Japan.

You are already deep into a storyline. It would be nooby of you to leave and join a power that has even more to do with WWII when you have barely made any posts in the one your currently in.

You are already deep into a storyline. It would be nooby of you to leave and join a power that has even more to do with WWII when you have barely made any posts in the one your currently in.

This is also a good point. Though I hold the power, being the thread creator and all, I'm unsure of what to do but for now I have given him the US.

vbump

I'll take whatever countries available....... Is Malta available... or the Vatican.... I'm becoming one with the Spooty inside of me....

Would it be possible for me to RP spain? I dont want to deal with the Civil War though and I dont know much about it's history at the time or its technology.

I've been more interested in the US, but resolved to try out Japan. I thought that if DrachRyu continued not to post I would like to switch, but I wanted to be certain as I knew they'd be disappointed if they came back just a few days after and were unclaimed.

Unfortunately, in the middle of this I lost connection to the internet for a few days, and in the middle of it a huge crisis in the east evolved.

Although I'd prefer to eventually go to the US, I'd be perfectly willing to finish up this current dispute for the time being.

please, someone do something to Poland...

wait, this is after when we have an alliance with Britain...we have allies with the Brits and the wussies to the West of us.

the Brits aren't doing anything, i'm still waiting to get the Palestine riots started, if he doesn't post soon i'll just have to RP Britain as NPC aswell, gah

Unfortunetly, I can no longer participate in this RP. I am truely sorry for leaving so soon after joining and I truely hope this causes no inconvienence.

There will be a reply from me in the invasion thread, but I'd like to find someone to RP the communist Chinese, my knowledge of them and their army is very limited.

request: I think we need a new Britain, so far AA has done nothing and i desperatly need him for the Palestine riots, (though a certain NPC has done nothing either) save me pleeeease!!!

Okay, so in brief: I'm not sure if Vatican or Malta existed, check up on wiki for me.

Spain is okay, at this tim it is Republican Spain, you don't have to have a civil war.

Caladonn is still Japan, Kordo gone. I won't kick Andmerica out yet as it hasn't been 10 days.

Who/where is UK?

Who/where is UK?

Andamerica, and thats what i want to know.

I know Andmerica hasn't been very active, and if he doesn't come back in a couple of days I'll clear UK, but I don't want to expel him if he's just busy, and is going to be on tomorrow.

Roger that.

Roger that.
:)

I'd like to change nation. Now this sounds rather silly, I know, but as I haven't posted but one post as Greece, and I doubt it has had any influence to anything at all, I think it wouldn't do too much damage at this early point. So.

Republican Spain.

It hasn't been claimed yet, and it'll become rather important, I guess, pretty soon. And most of all, it'll be more interresting - by far! - than the Hellas could ever be.

Do you, dear Sir Moderator, think this is still possible?

Would Austria do? I think it plays pretty important role in this, anyways...

Hiya, is the US still open? If it is, would one have to be completly accurate for stuff, or not?

I'd like to change nation. Now this sounds rather silly, I know, but as I haven't posted but one post as Greece, and I doubt it has had any influence to anything at all, I think it wouldn't do too much damage at this early point. So.

Republican Spain.

It hasn't been claimed yet, and it'll become rather important, I guess, pretty soon. And most of all, it'll be more interresting - by far! - than the Hellas could ever be.

Do you, dear Sir Moderator, think this is still possible?

I wanted this to the page 14 so that you wouldn't acidentally jump over it ^^

Okay: Austria and US are fine, as Us has just been vacated. Re historical accuracy, everything up till '36 is accurate, from then on it's up to you.

Madnestan: You would be okay to change to Republican Spain, except that someone has just (about 6 posts ago) asked for it, and I have subsequentially put them down. If they don't respond, though, I'll put you down.

Would it be possible for me to RP spain? I dont want to deal with the Civil War though and I dont know much about it's history at the time or its technology.

USSNA my dear friend, please consider! I'm in the middle of a book about the Spanish Civil war, and the whole war would go all wasted if you didn't even want to play it!

Why wouldn't you rather take Greece, the mighty grandsons of the superb spartans, the brave, the gallant, the fathers of all democracy and philosophy, and guide them through the minefields of Boiling Balkan?;)

Ok, can i have the US then??

Okay: Austria and US are fine

Seems pretty clear to me ;)

Haha, yeh, but the countries commanding players havnt changed or whatever

Hey, Fattie slug, could Yugoslavia buy the Uss Utah, which would look like this right now: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g410000/g416384.jpg
?

I know Andmerica hasn't been very active, and if he doesn't come back in a couple of days I'll clear UK, but I don't want to expel him if he's just busy, and is going to be on tomorrow.

Andmerica is having some computer/internet issues at the moment. He's in one of my RPs and has explained this earlier. don't boot him, just be patient.

I might be willing to swap out Spain for Ireland..... If I am correct, I just am not going to stay neutral this time around.

Also: it still is 1936 correct?

I also have a question reguarding subs, can I coat the outsides with rubber as the germans did with their last subs of WWII and use snorkles? They are not really major technological acheivements, but little crafty things that didnt come about untill the end.

Yeah, USSNA, but think its almost 1937.

If you need anything from Britian, it might be an idea to get it from the Royal Navy...

I'm reading up on subs, as I want the irish navy to focus on them. kinda like what german did IRL. GB will definatly be an ally. Unline IRL, I dont want such a powerful enemy on mydoorstep.

Hmm, im reading up on soviet heavy tanks, mainly the IS-2 (http://www.battletanks.com/is-2.htm), which i will get(hopefully) from the USSR to fight against germany, and for use in Yugoslavia's invasion of albania.

Seeing as this is 1936/7. I'm trying to make a good mix between the Panzer IV and the british Crusader tank. Both were made after 1936, but are not too far off from what was the mainstray back then: small, fast, lightly armored tanks.

Produce your own ? If it does go through, im gonna get the USS Utah, and ill refit it and re-arm it.

So, is Spain mine them? I'm anxious to start posting as it :p

I'm giving you spain on the grounds that I get to RP Ireland. One reason I want to produce my own tanks is because I can't find reliable information on the state of the irish military at the time.

Four decently armed infantry Battalions, 1st Dublin, 2nd Dublin, 3rd Munster and 4th Connaught (if I remember it correctly) that togerther form the Irish Regiment of Rifle. Commanding officer is Mj.General Costello. Navy nor airforce Ireland doesn't really have.

Minister of Defense is Donald Buckley. I can get you the rest of the ministers too, if ya want.

(Main source: Hearts of Iron 2 :D )

OOC: Wrong, The Mauser M1918 (its off this page, check under history of ATRs: http://www.antitank.co.uk/ww1_anti-tank_rifles1.htm) was invented in 1918 to counter the British tank threat. At 100 meters, it could penetrate three inches (+-7.5 CM) of steel. I specifically stated that this rifle was more powerful. I am alluding to basically a vehicle-type recoiless rifle scaled down, made man-portable and firable, with a big-ass steel-core AP shell on it. I'll call the dimentions at 20x104mm steel core. Check that size out and you'll see it can do much more, but I'm also figuring in the crap that the Polish used for their powder. Don't worry, it'll only be used at opportune times, and misfire when its not.

Now, sorry for keeping to talk about this, but I just want to make it clear.
The link you gave in the very same page this exact information:

M1918 or T-Gewehr was capable of penetrating around 20mm of armour at 100 metres and 15mm at 300 metres, when striking at 90 degrees. Early tanks were protected by no more than 12mm of armour plate, as such this was a fairly effective weapon despite being cumbersome at 17.3kg and 1.68m long.

Now, If I'd be rude, I'd ask "what have you been smoking?!" when talking about seven CENTImeters, but I am not, so I will not do that.

Just that you turned 20mm, = 2cm, to 7,5cm.

You wouldn't get through my exams of mathemathics, friend :rolleyes:


The fact remains that AT-rifles were scrappy and pretty much useless burden for those poor beggars who were forced to use them against anything even near decent armour.

For the free Austria, then o/ You can count me in.

I'm giving you spain on the grounds that I get to RP Ireland. One reason I want to produce my own tanks is because I can't find reliable information on the state of the irish military at the time.
Rolls Royce Armored Car, Triota-Lancia Armored Car, Peerless Armored Car, Leyland Armored Car, Crossley Armored Car, Landsverk L-182 Armored Car
, Vickers Universal Carrier, Vickers Medium C Tank, Vickers Medium D Tank
In most cases just a handful of them, there was for instance only one Vickers Medium D tank in Irish service.

Army officers
Beaslai
Brennan
Broy
Bryan
Collins-Powell
Costello
Dalton
de la Poer Gough
Flynn
Hanrahan
Kinnane
Lynch Frank
Lynch Liam
MacEoin
McCabe
McLaughlin
Mulcahy
O'Connor Padraig
O'Connor Peter
O'Donnell
O'Duffy
O'Rahilly
Ryan
Staines
Sweeney
Traynor
White

Airforce officers
Green
Jerome
Lawlor
McSweeney
O'Muiris
Preston

Navy Officers
Delamere
McNally
Mulcahy
O'Sullivan
Quinn
Russell

Rolls Royce Armored Car (http://www.tindictator.com/Miniatures/rr1.jpg), Triota-Lancia Armored C (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ireland/iretriotalancia.jpg)ar, Peerless Armored Car (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/GreatBritain/GB-PeerlessAC.jpg), Leyland Armored Car (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ireland/ireleylandlate.jpg), Crossley Armored Car (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/argentina/Arg-Crossley-September1930.jpg), Landsverk L-182 Armored Car (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ireland/eire-182.jpg)
, Vickers Universal Carrier (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/finland/komsomolets.jpg), Vickers Medium C Tank (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ireland/eire-vic-med-c.jpg), Vickers Medium D Tank (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ireland/Ire-VickersMediumD.gif)


I added pic links of the thingies, and here are some more vehicles:

Landsverk L-60A Tank
Churchill Infantry Tank (http://www.granddadshobbyshop.com/TAM35210.JPG)
Beaverette Armored Car (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/GreatBritain/GB-beaveretteMk3-StevenGuy.jpg)

Is is still okay if I have my nation design and contract the building of the tank? Ireland itself will not be able to produce much right now, as it was mostly rual back then.

Now, sorry for keeping to talk about this, but I just want to make it clear.
The link you gave in the very same page this exact information:

M1918 or T-Gewehr was capable of penetrating around 20mm of armour at 100 metres and 15mm at 300 metres, when striking at 90 degrees. Early tanks were protected by no more than 12mm of armour plate, as such this was a fairly effective weapon despite being cumbersome at 17.3kg and 1.68m long.

Now, If I'd be rude, I'd ask "what have you been smoking?!" when talking about seven CENTImeters, but I am not, so I will not do that.

Just that you turned 20mm, = 2cm, to 7,5cm.

You wouldn't get through my exams of mathemathics, friend :rolleyes:


The fact remains that AT-rifles were scrappy and pretty much useless burden for those poor beggars who were forced to use them against anything even near decent armour.

SORRY....jeez, you think a guy'd get a break when he's working from memory alone. I changed cm to inches and then re-converted by accident.

Also, I hope you realise that I'm POLAND! WE ARE POOR BEGGERS WITHOUT THE FUNDS TO BUY DECENT AT WEAPONS SO WE ARE FORCED TO RELY UPON SCALED-UP RIFLES AND HOPE THE SHOTS RING HOME. I am sabotaging my own forces for a good RP.

Now the round I'm using is actually a modern-size AT round capable of penetrating a T-72's armor at ranges of +-300m. Its not that bad, and the idea was in the works back at the time. If the alliance with Germany and Romania works, then we shou;dn't be in that much of trouble.

Not to butt in, but this is not MT so you cant use MT rounds.

SORRY....jeez, you think a guy'd get a break when he's working from memory alone. I changed cm to inches and then re-converted by accident.

Also, I hope you realise that I'm POLAND! WE ARE POOR BEGGERS WITHOUT THE FUNDS TO BUY DECENT AT WEAPONS SO WE ARE FORCED TO RELY UPON SCALED-UP RIFLES AND HOPE THE SHOTS RING HOME. I am sabotaging my own forces for a good RP.

Now the round I'm using is actually a modern-size AT round capable of penetrating a T-72's armor at ranges of +-300m. Its not that bad, and the idea was in the works back at the time. If the alliance with Germany and Romania works, then we shou;dn't be in that much of trouble.

Accidents happen. Not that big deal really. I just wanted to make this clear as with your original stats your rifles would have blown up Tigers, and that would have been Godmodding.

Second, it is of course a good thing that you use poor weapons to achieve a taste of realistim and I give you props for not trying to wank your army to be too much more than it could have been IRL.

Third, like USSNA said, you cannot use "modern size AT-Rounds". This aint MT. One should be very carefull when using anything that wasn't there in the '36.

Forth, though this doesnt have much to do with the current issue here, I don't really understand what you are saying about penetrating a T-72. No AT-rifle could ever never do that, not '36T, not MT. Regardless what the round they use would be.

Okay, USSNA is now Ireland, MAdnestan Spain, Fattie slugs USA, and blah..

Can I be Bahawalpur State?

It was located in nowadays Punjab Pakistan, had a population of 1,341,209 people and contained 2 brigades in its state forces (so about 8,000 men, given general numbers at the time as far as I can see).

I serve very little purpose at all. In fact, I serve no purpose. ;) But Jagonia wanted me to join up, and I have very little time, so I've decided to be a fun, low-maintenance country - thus, I've chosen the most puny and insignifiant state I could find that still had some sort of military involvement in WW2 (it's true! Bahawlpur was part of the Allies!) :p

What about Bhutan?

I've signed you up as Bahawalpur Chink.

BTW, Madnestan: I think he wants a REALLY tiny, crap country. Bhutan is too good for him.

Yeah. Bhutan I've actually heard of. :D

just another three years and you could RP as Sealand, which is THE greatest micronation in the world hands down.

just another three years and you could RP as Sealand, which is THE greatest micronation in the world hands down.

I second that motion. I'm planning on sending a letter to Prince Michael, asking to be made an honorary citizen.

Ahh, Sealand.....:D

wow, for the first tim in my life i've mentioned Sealand and people have known what I was talking about, I live a couple of miles away from Sealand, I was thinking of taking my holiday there this year :P

Accidents happen. Not that big deal really. I just wanted to make this clear as with your original stats your rifles would have blown up Tigers, and that would have been Godmodding.

Second, it is of course a good thing that you use poor weapons to achieve a taste of realistim and I give you props for not trying to wank your army to be too much more than it could have been IRL.

Third, like USSNA said, you cannot use "modern size AT-Rounds". This aint MT. One should be very carefull when using anything that wasn't there in the '36.

Forth, though this doesnt have much to do with the current issue here, I don't really understand what you are saying about penetrating a T-72. No AT-rifle could ever never do that, not '36T, not MT. Regardless what the round they use would be.

1) I said modern-size bullets meaning it is in use today, not that it couldn't be made back then. The 20x104mm shell is not DU core, but steel core therefore it is still a legit 1930-1950 round. This round was in use back then, but mainly in aircraft cannons.
2) An AT rifle is a bitch of a weapon to use, but can come in handy, which is why I'm choosing it.
3) I live close to a US Army arsenal (I cannot name due to OPSEC) where they test various weapons, especially AT rounds. A 20x104mm aircraft round (same round I am using) was tested on a captured T-72 after Desert Storm and penetrated the armor with ease, so don't tell me it can't be done. I was told by an eyewitness (who happened to have video of this test as a recruiting tool) that the round penertated halfway thru the tank and bounced around about a half-dozen times. This is why I want ATRs because I can capture tanks for parts, study, and general use.

Please, this is the only thing I wish to have in the RP. If you haven't noticed, I've neglected certain things in order to produce this weapon at the point it can change things in the war.

A few things. Did the 20mm rounds used have DU cores and where did they hit the tank and at what range? I dobt that such an old rifle could do anything to it at any range. Else tanks would have 30mm cannons as their main armorment.

wow, for the first tim in my life i've mentioned Sealand and people have known what I was talking about, I live a couple of miles away from Sealand, I was thinking of taking my holiday there this year :P

It would be good to go there for a holiday, but I believe you have to have permission from the government (the two blokes who run it).

Crazed Marines, just to avoid all misunderstandings here;

Are You seriously claiming that Anti-Tank RIFLE could somehow penetrate the Soviet T-72 Main Battle Tank?

A few things. Did the 20mm rounds used have DU cores and where did they hit the tank and at what range? I dobt that such an old rifle could do anything to it at any range. Else tanks would have 30mm cannons as their main armorment.

Crazed Marines, just to avoid all misunderstandings here;

Are You seriously claiming that Anti-Tank RIFLE could somehow penetrate the Soviet T-72 Main Battle Tank?

I am claiming that. The round was actually a magnesium tracer aircraft round, which is. It was shot at 150 yards directed at the tank's turret/chassis gap and penetrated easily. Any rifle round, even a .22, if shot at the correct range and at the correct target can take out even the most imposing tanks today. The problem is that the chances are so slim that it is almost impossible. However, it is easier tp do so with a larger round, one with more power, and one with a harder core. With the round I pointed out at this time period will be able to take out at least a tank's turret, treads, or even the commander (via the viewing port) with relative ease.

Remember, I have no airforce, hardly no artillery, no infrastructure, tanks, etc. This is the one real chess piece I have on the table.

true, there were tank hunter in WWII fielded by the Americans

A friend of mine's grandfather did that job

Thier basic assignment was to lie in wait for passing tanks and jump out with a rifle or pistol infront of a passing tank and shoot through the dirvers window to kill the occupants.

It's possible but unless your insaine enough like my friends grandfather or lucky enough, anything less then an artilery or AT round is going to do much against a tank

IS this tank at all possible? Really just a cross between the Crusader and the Panzer IV. I plan on getting a pic up soon... I plan on....

Also remeber, I will have to have these contracted to overseas producers because Ireland doesnt have that many factories. Why ones I do have, I'm devoting to ammunition and submarine building.

Baxter Class Medium Tank (Model: IT-15)

Introduction

The IT-15 Baxter-class medium tank was designed to compete with Panzers of Germany and to act as a fast and strong tank for modern warfare. Its 80mm gun acts as both an anti-infantry weapon and as a anti-tank weapon.


General Information

Length: 5.92 m
Breadth: 2.9 m
Height: 2.4 m
Weight: 25600 kg
Crew: 5

Vertical. obstacle: .8 m
Trench (crawl): 2.0m
Trench (at 37mph): 1.0m
Max. fording depth (unprepared): 1.0m
Max. Fording depth (prepared): 2.0m


Propulsion

Engine: 360 hp gasoline
Max. speed (road): 44 km/h
Max. speed (off-road): 22 km/h
Range (road): 270 km
Range (off-road): 190km


Armament
Main gun: 80mm L/28 gun
Main gun ammunition: 75
Secondary guns: 2, 7.92mm machineguns
Secondary gun ammunition: 3100 rounds


Armour (Thickness/Slope)

Turret
Front: 45/70
Mantlet: 45/80
Side: 40/50
Rear: 25/65
Top: 10/0

Hull
Front Upper: 45/30
Front Lower: 40/65
Side: 20/90
Skirts 15/90
Rear: 20/90

One thin about this tank is why to desigh your own. Why wouldn't use the Tank IV Churchill. It would be considerably easier to aquire parts in the field (considering that you probably would be working alongside the british anyway). It would also be considerably cheaper due to the fact that the infrastructure is already in place. I would recomend you stick with the Churchill, it would be much cheaper and much simpler.

Because the irish army is almost nill. I want to turn them into a kinda of eliet forces. Good training and best equipment. Let me take a closer look at the churchill. I might make it so parts are interchangable. The churchill is also a slow infantry tank.

But is this tank within the realm of 1937? The only thing I'n woried about is that gun. It's bigger than the low-pressure 75mm gun on the Panzer IV, and a bit longer.

the cannon is way to large for anything other than a tank hunter, if you want anaccurate infantry tank go with a 50mm cannon. Alos I'd reduce the armor, it would more accuratly reflect the limited resource of Ireland.

I am strongly against techwanking like this. Ireland could never develop a tank that is about 3-4 years in head of the rest of the world. The gun is the most ridiculous feature of this... I mean, the propably best tanks that existed then, the Russian BT-7, had 47mm gun, and it was bigger than any of the German tank guns!

Russian BT-7

OMG MAD AIR !!!!

http://www.shift.sk/military/sifoner/img/bt7_3.jpg

Actually this isn't a tech wank. The Panzer IV came out in 1937 and it had a 75mm gun. I think I will shorten the gun though. As it can be upped later like the Panzer IV. This is sort of like a slightly more powerful Panzer IV really.

And the thing is, is that Ireland only designed it, I am going to have to contract the actually building of it to Britian or some other friendly nation.

bump

Hey guys, seeing what I want to do in this RP I have realized I cannot do it with Ireland. What I would like to do however is switch to Greece. Sorry for the change, but I havent done much yet anyway.

Accepted, I'm also signing up a new Italy player.

As to not waisting space on the ic thread the layout of the Rumanian navy will be listed, stats and # of ships. The majority of the ships sould be compled by the end of the week, the first fleet and the 1st detachement fleet should be done by the end of tomerow's month

this may take a while

I have cleaned up the player list so now all major nations apart from Italy and USSR are available. Cobdenia, do you want to take full control of UK?