NationStates Jolt Archive

Also 1760, the Holy Roman Empire Has been on Shaky ground lately. Wars with the Italian Kingdoms, Skirmishes against Bulgarian warlords have left some fiefs ravaged. Though the inner core of the empire is un-shakable. Large armies guard it though cannot fight the style of war lead by the smaller, faster wars that are plaguing it. While a rich state, corruption and embezzlement run high most principalities only protecting themselves. A large trading fleet, divided between states provides the Empire with taxes and goods. As with the army it is only houses the control any naval power few, ships or troops directly serve the Emperor.

The Empire, Ruled by Francis Von Lorraine, of Lorraine tries to keep his population Catholic but Lutheranism and other religions are popping up. Mostly the Empire Has been subjugating German states or fighting small wars with the various lords. While the Church at the moment looks kindly on the Germans, they would gain a lot at their down fall. Once an Emperor dies a new one is elected form amongst the princes, each family fights for the title, but mostly the family with the most money or troops wins. Also on All major Diplomatic questions, such as a war the Princes would vote.

Duchies, Principalities, and Fiefs controlled by the Holy Roman Empire:

Bavaria
Tyrol
Carinthia
Brandenburg
Moravia
Schleswig
Hamburg
Magdeburg
Nurnburg
Strasburg
Holstien
Hannover
Lorraine
Homburg
Isenburg
Oldenburg
Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Ibblesguard (Recently Gotland)
Others under 100 Sq. Miles Shall not be listed.

Army Directly Controlled by the Holy Roman Emperor:
19,000 Regulars in Regimants of 1,000: 5 Regiments of the Line, 4 Skirmesher Regiments, 10 Grenadier Regiments

2,000 Cavalry in Regiments of 500: 2 Regiments Dragoon, 2 Regimants Heavy Cavalry

81 Guns in Batteries of 9: 5 Batteries (12 Pound) 4 Batteries (8 Pound)


Navy Directly Controlled by the Holy Roman Emperor:
14 Frigates (36 Guns or less)
42 Converted Corvettes (Less than 18 guns)

Estimate of Army of the Holy Roman Empire:
320,000 Regulars: 320 Regiments (1,000 Men Each), 275 Regiments of the line, 30 Skirmeshing Regiments, 14 Regiments Grenadiers, 1 Regiment Rifle Men Experimental

16,000 Cavalry: 32 Regiments (500 men each), 10 Regiments heavy cavalry
5 Regiments Dragoons, 5 Regiments Light Cavlry, 12 Regaments Regular cavalry.

375 Artillery Cannons: 41 Batteries (9 Cannons Each) 20 Batteries (12 pound), 5 batteries ( 18 pound) 10 batteries ( 8 pound) 6 batteries ( 6 pound) total 375 cannons.

Estimate of Navy of the Holy Roman Empire:
14 Ships of the Line (More than 54 cannons)
28 Gunboats ( 36 to 50 guns, I couldn’t actually find a name for them, but I like the sound of gunboat)
50 Frigates (Less than 28 guns)
117 Converted Corvettes (Less Than 18 Guns)

Ibblesguard Navy (Obviously just created):
1 Ship of the Line (Bavarian Knight 74 Guns)
1 Gunboat ( Malpractice 44 Guns)
8 Frigates ( 36 Guns or less)
24 Converted Corvettes (18 Guns or Less)


All Diplomatic messages involving the Holy Roman Empire, War trade, random shouting and pompous notes to be posted here.

ooc: I believe historically that your army has just driven a Swedish army out of Brandenburg so you have full control of that province and fairly high army morale and experience. Good work with the thread. Keep it coming.

IC:

Dear Sirs,

The Swedish nation seeks assurances from the Holy Roman Empire about her attitudes towards the Swedish state. There is now peace between our nations after conflict in Brandenburg but we are worried you may escalate the conflict? We would be happy to stay at peace with your mighty empire but are not afraid of further bloodshed. We simply wish to know your attitudes regarding the Swedish nation.

King Karl X

OOC: Your artillery is huge. Napoleon for instance never had more than 2000 guns... And navy's hanging somewhere between the maximum possible and godmodding. But that's just my HumbleO.

IC:


To the Francis Von Lorraine. Emperor of The Holy Empire

As You must know, the ruler of Poland has changed. We are taking a new, more independent way of ruling our land, and trying to get rid of the Russian influence. We are currently in pretty weak situation, our army is getting stronger but is still certainly a puny opponent for our heretic neighbours. Orthodox Czar and Protestant King are behind our borders seeking for opportunity to conquer our land. Now, if ever, we need support from our brothers in the West. From your glorious country.
What I'm suggesting here is an acknowledgement the new government and dynasty, and a mutual aid pact. I am convinced that Prussia wouldn't dare to act if the mighty Empire is clearly on our side. Also, having a allied state in the position like this of Poland would greatly increase Your power and influence in the Eastern, and whole, Europe.

King of Poland, Jaromir Rokossovski.

ooc-i think that your army is quite good, you just need to describe it (what units does it contains, organisation...) Also, i thik your artilery is to big....in real Napoleonic times, Austrian army had the most artilery per infantry, wich is 3 guns per 1000 men, your is 85!!! And even if we do not have totaly corect armies, that is still a little to much.

IC-

We, Empress Maria Theresia,
the empress of Austria, Hungary and so on,
Duke of Dalmatia, Panonia, Croatia and so on,

We greet your emperorship with grat pleashure as a friend, and wishes you all well.

Our empire wishes to continoue the friendly relationship with you and we think it is not to much to ask to improve our relationship with forming a great alliance wich will have influance not only in Europe but over the whole world.
We ask you to think abouth our offer...


Truly yours,

Empress Maria.

Speaking as a moderator:

These two powers, Austria-Hungary and the Holy Roman Empire, have been bitterly opposed for the past century and an alliance like this would not be formed realistically. They have too much to gain from eachother. They would have little interest in co-operation and would doubtless rather fight eachother than ally. Sorry.

The Navy for the Holy Roman Empire is pretty much fine I'd say. 14 ships of the line is not a lot at all.

Speaking as a moderator:

These two powers, Austria-Hungary and the Holy Roman Empire, have been bitterly opposed for the past century and an alliance like this would not be formed realistically. They have too much to gain from eachother. They would have little interest in co-operation and would doubtless rather fight eachother than ally. Sorry.

Speaking as a conserned player; how much can we decide by our own then? If these two want to change the history, then why not? If they are good players (as I am assured they are) they will remember the historical situation and the fact they are eachothers worst enemies instead of just trying to "win" no matter what. Remember the Ribbentrop-pact in the 30's... Even they were able come up with some kind of an "alliance" even as they both knew taht the war was inevitable.

And actualy, the alliance was more a make-peace-sure than an real alliance, as you know, Maria Theresa was mostly trying to maintain peace after the war in Shlesy with Prussia. She did that by offering her huge amount of doughters in marriage to kings andother high nobility rivals.

Speaking as a conserned player; how much can we decide by our own then? If these two want to change the history, then why not? If they are good players (as I am assured they are) they will remember the historical situation and the fact they are eachothers worst enemies instead of just trying to "win" no matter what. Remember the Ribbentrop-pact in the 30's... Even they were able come up with some kind of an "alliance" even as they both knew taht the war was inevitable.


By all means, change history, but not with a decision that would simply never happen. If all alliances are decided like this, the world will collapse with war within couple of years as alliance after alliance is manufactured.

In regard to the Ribbentrop Pact, that alliance was formed in adversity to carve up Europe. Neither Austria-Hungary or the Holy Roman Empire are in immediate danger.

Also, these two houses despised eachother, there is almost no chance cordial diplomatic relations would be maintained. Both nations have pressing matters to contend with, including a rising trend in public opinion of wanting to be free from Imperial rule. As there is no common enemy of both of these empires that has made themself apparent, I think that it is unlikely an alliance would be created so soon. A more realistic proposal would be a non-aggression pact. Whereby neither country attacks the other on pain of breaking the treaty. What is more likely however, is that these two states would be kicking chunks out of eachother diplomatically and attempting to recruit the smaller powers into supporting them. For example Poland. Both powers would try to get Poland on their side for support in a war with the other. Relations at this time would probably be too strained for an alliance, that would need mutual threat. For example, if a Russian Army was steaming westwards it is highly probable that an alliance would arise.

In addition to my other points, an alliance between two such great powers would be political suicide. All of the other nations would doubtless unite to stop such a pact. If this alliance was signed, the European nations would not sit there idly. It is likely that the Russians, French, and British would join together against this alliance. Probably smelling blood, smaller nations like Sweden and Poland would join in on one side or the other. And neither side would be willing to risk war yet in my opinion.

I don't mind what you decide on your own, providing it will not be completely out of character for the nation you are commanding. This pact for example, simply would not happen without a common interest or threat. A non-aggression pact is far more likely.

To the Francis Von Lorraine, Emperor of the Holy Empire

I was pleased to hear your kind words. They were a great relief, as now we can rest in knowledge that this country is not completely alone. Still, yu used the following words:

"But in a case of war with say Russia or Prussia I can assure you of the empires support."

This is most pleasant news, yes, but the situation you described is exactly what we are hoping not to let happen. Nothing could help to achieve that goal more than announcement of mutual defense pact, or even an alliance. That would make the world see the situation clearly, especially the mentioned great powers. They would know the certain effects of such drastic movement, as incading my kindom.

Now, if the hell rises upon the world of Men again, in form of war, the most horrible thing there is, we both are to suffer greatly as you in a man of honour are forced to fulfill your promise. This could be easily avoided by the suggested diplomatic move.

Sincerely yours,

Jaromir Rokossowski The King of Poland

To the Francis Von Lorraine, Emperor of the Holy Empire

I was pleased to hear your kind words. They were a great relief, as now we can rest in knowledge that this country is not completely alone. Still, yu used the following words:

"But in a case of war with say Russia or Prussia I can assure you of the empires support."

This is most pleasant news, yes, but the situation you described is exactly what we are hoping not to let happen. Nothing could help to achieve that goal more than announcement of mutual defense pact, or even an alliance. That would make the world see the situation clearly, especially the mentioned great powers. They would know the certain effects of such drastic movement, as incading my kindom.

Now, if the hell rises upon the world of Men again, in form of war, the most horrible thing there is, we both are to suffer greatly as you in a man of honour are forced to fulfill your promise. This could be easily avoided by the suggested diplomatic move.

Sincerely yours,

Jaromir Rokossowski The King of Poland


Thats more like it! Underhand diplomacy is an excellent tool.

OOC: Thank you! G2G to bed now, more coming tomorrow. BTW man, perhaps you shouldn't use quote all the time, takes kinda lot of space (like 30 lines of quote when you write like one sentence ;) Anyways, good night!

Message To: King Jaromir Rokossowski

Your Majesty, we cannot create a direct alliance at the moment. The Empire's views must stay impartial. Besides that in a Mutual Aide Pact we fear that Poland would have very little to offer The Holy Roman Empire. Untill such a time as to when we have viewed all possibilities, will we consider Poland an ally.


Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty
Francis Von Lorraine

OOC- hate to go against the moderator and all but weren't Francis I and Maria Theresia Married to each other. And didn't they both send armies against the Turks not so long ago. An alliance isn't streaching things to much.

OOC- hate to go against the moderator and all but weren't Francis I and Maria Theresia Married to each other. And didn't they both send armies against the Turks not so long ago. An alliance isn't streaching things to much.

I don't mind alliance with Poland. Just alliance with the Austrians...Maybe I read it wrong but I'm sure you got an Austrian alliance proposal as well. That was what I responded to. I have no problems with you allying with Poland. It may cause conflict with Russia but thats your choice, at least it won't mean immediate global conflict. But war with Russia is a price you may have to pay. Nevertheless, that is totally your choice, I would allow a Polish alliance with the Holy Roman Empire with no hesitation.

Put it this way. You ally with the Austrians, you incite, immediately, war through all of Europe. No other power will want to see your 2 states unite as they would become unstoppable. What will happen if you do, is you will get war with Spain, France, Sweden, Britain and Russia from the player nations. Also several NPC nations would realistically declare war, such as the fiercely Protestant Dutch, the equally Protestant Danes, and no doubt the Ottomans would be back for more. The simple fact is, an alliance between your nations would do 2 things:

1) Raise fears of a Catholic superstate. No other Protestant country wants that.

2) Other powerful non-protestant states will see a challenge to their own dominance of their political spheres of influence and will ally with former enemies to fight a common threat. Nobody in Europe wants to see an alliance between your 2 nations, it would simply be too powerful.

So, I will allow you to ally, but be aware it will certainly cause war in the whole continent that will almost surely lead to the destruction of the Holy Roman Empire, as its Protestant subjects will join the invaders, and the crippling of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Do it if you want to.

I agree with Communista, and as i told you, the alliance proposal was more like you said a non-agression pact, but i couldn't think of that name before :rolleyes: and even if the alliance would be accepted, our armies or politics would never coopreate, the things i worte were more to be polite, not that they would realy work together (you konw, licking a*s)

To: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine
From: his most catholic Majesty Charles the III of Spain

Greetings, mighty Lord, as the ruler of most of the spanish panisular and south America I wonder if a allince through marrage could be formed by our two mighty nations. My son, Carlos, is 16 and in need of a wife, and I balive that should he marry to your daughter then a allince between our two states would be almost unstoppable, especially if my plans for an allince with the other catholic kingdoms comes into fruitation.

Ah, my plans, I expect that before you commit yourself to any allince you wish to know my plans. I have few plans of war except upon the Dutch so we can gain the control of the the channel of stop tProtisdants having a gateway into europe. as would i seek the support of the French Kingdom.

OOC- I didn't really wan't an alliance with Austria, but I like to argue, so fine.

IC-

To: His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III of Spain
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine

In dangerous times such as these, Protestents gaining headway, Russia taking a expansionist outlook, Catholic nations need protecting. We accept you offer of marrige. There is one Girl of proper age, Seraphine Mostavia Von Lorraine, she will be 17 in 3 weeks. She will be happy to marry Carlos, as her dowry we offer a small dukedom whose Duke has been excommunicated, Wutteremburg. 99 Sq. Miles near Brandenburg. We hope you shall accept these gracious terms.

The Kingdom of Sweden hereby issues a call to arms among the Protestant states of Europe to unite against the spreading Catholic disease. The call for an alliance of neccessity between ourselves, Russia, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Prussia and Denmark is called for to defeat this great threat. Please respond as swiftly as possible.

Also, we call on the French nation NOT to join this unholy Catholic alliance of the Spain and the Holy Roman Empire. We respect the French nation and would not wish war on it. Cast out this warmongering evil and no war shall come to pass between our two nations. To the rest of the Protestant world, join us in standing up to this Catholic pestilence. Who will answer me?

King Karl X of Sweden.

OOC: Sorry, I posted my answer in the Swedish thread before I saw what you had said in the Polish one :rolleyes: Yhis multi-thread thingy is still pretty new to me, I'm getting kinda confused in times...


IC: Secret letter to the Francis Von Lorraine of the Holy Empire

We aren't ready for a major war yet. The army we have must be kept in Poland because of the Russian threat, and I have strong doubts whether our army could stand alone even them, not to mention the situation in wich major parts of our army would be fighting somewhere around Europe against the Protestan Coalition. Regardless, we are on your side. We just don't use military yet, that's all.

Jaromir Rokossowsky, King of Poland

OOC- I didn't really wan't an alliance with Austria, but I like to argue, so fine.

IC-

To: His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III of Spain
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine

In dangerous times such as these, Protestents gaining headway, Russia taking a expansionist outlook, Catholic nations need protecting. We accept you offer of marrige. There is one Girl of proper age, Seraphine Mostavia Von Lorraine, she will be 17 in 3 weeks. She will be happy to marry Carlos, as her dowry we offer a small dukedom whose Duke has been excommunicated, Wutteremburg. 99 Sq. Miles near Brandenburg. We hope you shall accept these gracious terms.
Of course we accept, even now my son is being transported to your kingdom, for our dowory I offer The isle of Jamaica in the Caribban Sea. I hope you shall accept my Dowery.

His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III of Spain.

OOC: Please delete couple of your posts, we don't need three of them.

Of course we accept, even now my son is being transported to your kingdom, for our dowory I offer The isle of Jamaica in the Caribban Sea. I hope you shall accept my Dowery.

His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III of Spain.


Jamaica belongs to Great Britain surely? Hence 'Kingston'. I'm almost positive Jamaica is British.

OOC: Jamaica is certainly British, yes. Most sneaky attempt, to try to sell an island one doesn't even own :D

Most devious. *slaps wrist*

We demand to know why His Most Catholic Majesty Charles III think she can sell off the property of the British Crown.

His Majesty King George III of Great Britain and Ireland

We demand to know why His Most Catholic Majesty Charles III think she can sell off the property of the British Crown.

His Majesty King George III of Great Britain and Ireland
OOC: Damm-caught...I presumed no one woiuld natice. Then I could have set up a war between Britian and HRE...

IC: I think, your Majesty, that you will find that i was not trying to sell of your property, but give it away as a Dowery. As for it being the property of the British crown, we are willing to discuss the matter of sovreignty over who owns the isle at another time.

His Most Catholic Majesty King Charles III

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To: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine

I am afraid that there was a slight mistake in my previous letter to you, one of my aides said that Kamica was a Spanish Coloney, when it is, in fact, a British one. He has been delt with. Neather the less I can offer you the isle of Santo Domingo.

His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III

OCC: Just as a little snip of information, Austria-Hungary did not exsist until the Dual Monarchy was proclaimed in 1867. For the time being, it can be refered to as Austria or the Crown of St. Stephen.

No, it didn't, actualy, Austria and Hungary were in war many times, but its alternative history, so i think its ok...

To: His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine

Would could not take the island for the privelage of marrying into the Spanish Royal Family. Unless you insist upon it, we are barely capable of sea travel not even metioning colonization. Although we would like to increase our dowry with 500,000 Crona. All The Holy Roman Empire can ask for is that you stand by the one true faith, and will prusue it with all resources available.

To: His Most Catholic Majesty Charles the III
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine

Would could not take the island for the privelage of marrying into the Spanish Royal Family. Unless you insist upon it, we are barely capable of sea travel not even metioning colonization. Although we would like to increase our dowry with 500,000 Crona. All The Holy Roman Empire can ask for is that you stand by the one true faith, and will prusue it with all resources available.
This I shall do with all my heart, and please, keep your money for you may need it more than I if the rumors of Swedish intent are true. If you cannot truly accept my present then I insist that I pay you, in gold, half it's value.

King Charles the III

OCC: Just as a little snip of information, Austria-Hungary did not exsist until the Dual Monarchy was proclaimed in 1867. For the time being, it can be refered to as Austria or the Crown of St. Stephen.

You are certainly right. But more people know what Austria-Hungary is territory wise. If I just said Austria then people may think it was just Austria and not the rest of the provinces it controlled so I just used the dual title. But you are most certainly correct here as far as I know. Does anyone want me to change it to just Austria?

You are certainly right. But more people know what Austria-Hungary is territory wise. If I just said Austria then people may think it was just Austria and not the rest of the provinces it controlled so I just used the dual title. But you are most certainly correct here as far as I know. Does anyone want me to change it to just Austria?

It truly does not matter to me. I'd just thought I might point that little tid-bit of information out.

To: HRH Emperor Francis I of the Holy Roman Empire
From: Sultan Mustafa III, Caliph of Islam and Leader of the Eternal State

News of a possible war between yourself and the swedes has reached us and we request that we be allowed to send observers to watch and learn from your experienced and professional army. If in fact war does not erupt we request the aid of the Holy Roman Empire in modernizeing our infantry. We would assure you that our interest in modernizeing our infantry is merely for defensive purposes in Europe but we are interested in takeing more land in Africa.

Mustafa III, Sultan of the Empire, Caliph of Islam, and Leader of the Eternal State

To: Sultan Mustafa III
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine

From reading your previous letter, and in the intrests of good-will, we shall agree. We would like to propose an officer exchange, you may have your observers, and our officers will train some of your troops, while we may have the same thing from you. If you agree I think about 100 officers from each of our armies to attend the other. In any case we look forward to peaceful relations with the Ottoman Empire.

To: HRH Emperor Francis I of the Holy Roman Empire
From: Sultan Mustafa III, Caliph of Islam and Leader of the Eternal State

I thank you greatly for your acceptance and assure you that this act will usher in a new age of peace between our nations!

Mustafa III, Sultan of the Empire, Caliph of Islam, and Leader of the Eternal State

What is this? What in the name of our God allmighty is happening? Those sons of Satan himself, those brown, devilish creatures of war, destruction, rape and slavery, those who spit to the picture of Jesus, the most devouted enemies of the Holy Church, these are your new friends?

These men, if the men is right word which I strongly doubt, have pillaged, burned and tortured the lands of both of us, not to mention the rest of our brothers in faith. Now, these same men, leaders of the hordes of suffering are beeing invited to your Holy Empire?

Holy?

Not anymore! If these men are on your side, then believe when I say that the Poland will not be with you! It is time of desicion now.

Whatever will that be, Polish men will never be in same alliance with those demons of the south, neither be friends of the friends of them.

With a great sorrow and regrets,



Jaromir Rokossowsky, The King of Catholic and Pure Kindom of Poland

Completly Secret letter to Poland no copies made Ect.

Sir, we understand your actions but we must ask you to reconsider. The entire officer exchange plan is a complete rouse, for a much more violent plan involving posion, warships exploding and swinging from chandeliers. Only 30 officers being sent there are orginally military men. And as for their observers, well a battlefield is a dangerous place, anything could happen. It is also better to have them occupied for awhile while we consolidate our forces. Nothing we teach them shall even resemble military tactics, for example one of our officers has been ordered to train infantry that the best way to fight cavalry is to form a very long line. We hope you reconsider your action.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine

To The Imperial Majesty of Holy Roman Republic:

This is something I was hoping and expecting to see. Regardless, formally I have to keep a acting as in that previous, public letter with this matter. My people is very, very strict about heathens. They need to be told that we have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with those and that I personally keep my country out of this rather ungallant ad far-from-noble plan of peaceful relations between Ottomans and you.

Anyway, your plan is damn' smart, I hope it succeeds!


You Know Who

Completly Secret letter to Poland no copies made Ect.

Sir, we understand your actions but we must ask you to reconsider. The entire officer exchange plan is a complete rouse, for a much more violent plan involving posion, warships exploding and swinging from chandeliers. Only 30 officers being sent there are orginally military men. And as for their observers, well a battlefield is a dangerous place, anything could happen. It is also better to have them occupied for awhile while we consolidate our forces. Nothing we teach them shall even resemble military tactics, for example one of our officers has been ordered to train infantry that the best way to fight cavalry is to form a very long line. We hope you reconsider your action.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty, Francis Von Lorraine


Regarding your plan about the way to recieve cavalry, you do realise that the Ottoman State has been in a near continous state of warfare since its inception right? I think they would know how to deal with basic military manouvres.

The letter said increidably secret, no copies, and poland seemed to thinks it might work. Anyway if they needed to modernize their army they would need european tactics which we are so willing to give them. If they had these tactics they would not request our officers to teach them again, and that's just one example of tactics we plan to teach them. Unless they intend to sluaghter us mercilessly. Which might happen.

The letter said increidably secret, no copies, and poland seemed to thinks it might work. Anyway if they needed to modernize their army they would need european tactics which we are so willing to give them. If they had these tactics they would not request our officers to teach them again, and that's just one example of tactics we plan to teach them. Unless they intend to sluaghter us mercilessly. Which might happen.


I wasn't speaking as Sweden but as a moderator. Sweden knows nothing of any letter.

I wasn't speaking as Sweden but as a moderator. Sweden knows nothing of any letter.
OoC: Could you put OOC: (Out of caracter) for these sort of posts, just to stop the confusion.

Announcement

In response to the recent threats from the Swedish government made upon our allies the Spanish the Imperial navy shall begin to attack any ship bearing the Swedish flag. All cargo ships shall be siezed and all Warships shall be attacked and destroyed. All profits shall be put towards creating a larger Imperial fleet.

(This is only the The Emperor's Fleet)

Announcement

In response to the recent threats from the Swedish government made upon our allies the Spanish the Imperial navy shall begin to attack any ship bearing the Swedish flag. All cargo ships shall be siezed and all Warships shall be attacked and destroyed. All profits shall be put towards creating a larger Imperial fleet.

(This is only the The Emperor's Fleet)

Do this and it shall be taken as a declaration of war. In which case we will have no choice but to take the same measure with your ships. Let us keep things civil between our countries. WE have no quarrel with the Holy Roman Empire but if you wish it, we shall have one.

Regards,
King Karl X

To: King Karl X
From:His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine

Indeed it should be a declaration of war, as it seems that your Navy has been dispatched to pester our Spanish allies in the Americas. This is an intolerable act, we would certaintly disaprove and dislike any war between our nations, but continue with these actions and your ships shall be destroyed. Withdraw your navy from the carribean and we shall pull back to our side of the Baltic.

To: King Karl X
From:His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine

Indeed it should be a declaration of war, as it seems that your Navy has been dispatched to pester our Spanish allies in the Americas. This is an intolerable act, we would certaintly disaprove and dislike any war between our nations, but continue with these actions and your ships shall be destroyed. Withdraw your navy from the carribean and we shall pull back to our side of the Baltic.


We have no power to withdraw the ships. They are private property crewed by multinational seamen, including many Catholic Germans I might add. All we did was provide some financial and legal backing to a profitable venture. You have no grounds for war against us. This is private enterprise with many of your own citizens involved.

Regards,
King Karl X

To:King Karl X

Well then considering that the emperor is a single person and not a supreme ruler, this is also a private venture. All the Holy Roman Empire did was provide finacial assitance, to what will surely benifit the Empire.Then this by your reansoning is a private enterprise. I am sure we could come to an accord, you pay for the privateers loses and we shall pay for our Emperor's. There is no need for anyone to die in this confrontation recall your ships, and no one shall lose life or property.

Signed:
His Highness Price Ludwig Autrasa Von Munche
Price of Bavaria

Once again, Sweden is showing their utter lack of gallantry. They hire private pirates, criminals and the lowest of the low - those catholic "men" of the northern Germany.

These nest's of crime, murder and prostitution, dirty streets of the Hamburg's downtown and harbour are the conscription centers of the swedes, who give their gold to the most discusting rapers they'll find, and then come to say that because of the "religion" of these men of devil, His Holy Majesty should not react?

Here in Poland, we have enough experience of the nobility and manliness of these people of the north. We have faced them in many times enough to tell what they are best of.

Lying, decieving and backstabbing!

We sincerely wish that the Holy Empire uses what every means necessary to get rid of this nuisance of the Europe, and now even the seas of the world.
You have our full support.

Jaromir Rokossowsky, The King of Poland

OOC: I wrote this yesterday, when the server was surprisingly working for a moment, but didn't post it as the Jolt got fucked before I had hit the button. Anyways, consider this said before HRE's previous one.

ooc: gotcha madnestan.

IC:

Dear Sirs,

As you will realise, the privateers have left Sweden and will now be around a third of the way to the Caribbean. We could not call them back now if we wished to. We will promise not to hire more privateers but we must let those contracts we have stand.

Regards,
Karl X

To: His Majesty King Karl X
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine

I understand the circumestances, but you still are showing aggresion towards the Spanish. However since we do not wish war you have 10 weeks to send a ship to avert the privateers before my raids begin. This perhaps is not enough time but your violence warrents no less.

To: His Majesty King Karl X
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Francis Von Lorraine

I understand the circumestances, but you still are showing aggresion towards the Spanish. However since we do not wish war you have 10 weeks to send a ship to avert the privateers before my raids begin. This perhaps is not enough time but your violence warrents no less.


Our violence? Violence is the persecution of practising Protestants within the German states, violence is the Spanish inquisition, this is merely private enterprise and we have no authority to prevent it, nor a ship fast enough to overhaul the ships. We do not wish for war either, but the ships have left now, and as they are of a private nature anyway, we have no grounds for halting them, nor the ability.

Regards,
King Karl X

To: His Majesty King Karl X of Sweden
The Spanish inqusition is over, it has been stopped by a good spanish king and yet you insist on bringing war to a reforming country. We offer you 10 weeks to put a ship across the ocean when a ship could perform the journey in 6 weeks. You refuse our generous offer, the outcomes are now inevitable. The order has now been sent to his Majesty's fleet, they will begin raids and will put profits to a larger fleet.

Signed:
His Highness Price Ludwig Autrasa Von Munche
Price of Bavaria

To: His Majesty King Karl X of Sweden
The Spanish inqusition is over, it has been stopped by a good spanish king and yet you insist on bringing war to a reforming country. We offer you 10 weeks to put a ship across the ocean when a ship could perform the journey in 6 weeks. You refuse our generous offer, the outcomes are now inevitable. The order has now been sent to his Majesty's fleet, they will begin raids and will put profits to a larger fleet.

Signed:
His Highness Price Ludwig Autrasa Von Munche
Price of Bavaria


We have declared no war on the Spanish nation. In fact, our response should be considered moderate when compared with the paranoid Catholic Alliance forming in Europe. We were citing a past reference with the Inquisition and I notice you did not defend yourself against the allegations of the Holy Roman Empire persecuting Protestants. Your response sickens us. Our Ships of the Line are ordered under the guns of Helsingborg Castle and our frigates will put to sea to engage your fleet at a distance.

Profits? Ha! Let us see how big your profit margin is after you are paying to maintain a deep sea fleet at full operating capacity. Most of the ships bringing goods to Sweden are not Swedish government ships but privately owned ships of other nations. Will you be sinking, for example, British ships bringing goods to Sweden? Russian ships? Your own German traders? A good deal of your iron ore comes from Scandinavia from either Finland or Sweden. Your mock blockade will do more damage to your own nation than it will ours.

Regards,
King Karl X

To: His Majesty King Karl X of Sweden

Why defend our actions when the same is being done in nearly every country in Europe at the moment. We are persecuting against Protestant but not on the same level as previous emperors. We are trying to make Europe a better place, which all your actions seem to rebel against. Protestants are no longer killed in this empire at worst only their property is siezed followed by immediate deportation.

I doubt many of our merchants will trade with a Protestant nation and one we have been at war with recently. Although we don't doubt that there are some they shall be destroyed along with other private ships of any empire that bring goods to your nation. We will not openly attack a merchant ship without giving it the chance to surrender first. And finaly we would like to point out again that these to are private ships of a single man, and they are private or Swedish ships we will be attacking. We do not fear reprisal beyond the lose of the Emperor's fleet, from any foriegn power.

Signed:
His Highness Price Ludwig Autrasa Von Munche
Price of Bavaria

to: King karl X of Sweden
From: King Charles the III of spain

Greetings, hertic. This letter icontains a delcaration of war between our two states. Today I have recived reports that a ship udner the colours of your nation has attacked a innocent spanish passanger ship, slaughtering or capturing all on board- women and children included. This invokes a declaration of war with immidate consiquinces.

His Majestys grand fleet ahs been put to sail and will hunt down the men who have carried out this barabric attack and free our loved ones from hertic slavery that your forces have put them udner. I advise you to hand over the purpitors of this act immidetly or face the consiquinces. They are rapists and murders and do not deserve to live.

Your honourable foe,

King Charles the III of Spain.

OOC- Sorry but who are you talking to Sweden or The HRE. If it is the HRE our ships havn't even left yet, there still in Hamburg harbor.

OOC: It says to Karl X of sweden for a reason.

OOC- Not on mine, it's covered up by that grey bar at the top. Every things a bit wierd over here since the server went down, the smilies don't even work.

OOC- Not on mine, it's covered up by that grey bar at the top. Every things a bit wierd over here since the server went down, the smilies don't even work.
OOC: Strange-it's all fine here.

to: King karl X of Sweden
From: King Charles the III of spain

Greetings, hertic. This letter icontains a delcaration of war between our two states. Today I have recived reports that a ship udner the colours of your nation has attacked a innocent spanish passanger ship, slaughtering or capturing all on board- women and children included. This invokes a declaration of war with immidate consiquinces.

His Majestys grand fleet ahs been put to sail and will hunt down the men who have carried out this barabric attack and free our loved ones from hertic slavery that your forces have put them udner. I advise you to hand over the purpitors of this act immidetly or face the consiquinces. They are rapists and murders and do not deserve to live.

Your honourable foe,

King Charles the III of Spain.


A declaration of war? The British have been doing the same thing for centuries! Nevertheless, these are private individuals. They have protection to a fair trial under Swedish law, if caught, they will indeed be tried by Swedish courts, but until there is hard evidence and the perpetrators have been captured we cannot do anything legally. Also, any Swedish privateers are a PRIVATE, not government enterprise. You have no grounds for war. Capture these privateers, then send them to Swedish courts for trial, that is the only way to stop them.

Regards,
Karl X

ooc: your ENTIRE FLEET is being sent after a couple of frigates in the Caribbean?

A declaration of war? The British have been doing the same thing for centuries! Nevertheless, these are private individuals. They have protection to a fair trial under Swedish law, if caught, they will indeed be tried by Swedish courts, but until there is hard evidence and the perpetrators have been captured we cannot do anything legally. Also, any Swedish privateers are a PRIVATE, not government enterprise. You have no grounds for war. Capture these privateers, then send them to Swedish courts for trial, that is the only way to stop them.

Regards,
Karl X

ooc: your ENTIRE FLEET is being sent after a couple of frigates in the Caribbean?
OOC: :) yes, think the Spanish fleet constists of about 30 74's, 10 100's, 5 120's...oh and the largest ship in the world :D Cheak your TG's

IC:I am afraid that, seeing as they have comited an act against Spain, I will be forced to use Spanish law upon them. And the panilty in Spanish law is death i do balive. Besides your letters can go missing, can't they.

Charles the III

ooc: very well, the grand fleet it is then. and yeah the pirate RP would be a decent idea, but I would let you know that the privateers won't always fly the Swedish flag, they will probably fly neutral nation's flags, for example Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese and flags of the Italian states.

IC:

We doubt that these 'pirates' will wish to fight a fleet in open water, and anyway, these men are resourceful enough to avioid trouble when they see it coming. Good luck with your fleet, it seems excessive force to us but that is your country's prerogative. Good day.

"This is top secret needless to say, but we are willing to do a deal with the devil as it were. We are encouraging Russia to invade your nation from the East while promising a Swedish naval landing in Northern Germany. However, we feel that the HRE is less of a danger than mighty Russian, whose covetous eyes lie always on Finland. We are willing to aid you in the fight against the Russians, stab them in the back if you will. We will mobilise troops in Finland and strike at St. Petersburg if you promise to suck the Russians into your territory. Keep allowing the Russians to advance into Germany and when they are far enough away from Russia we will move against St. Petersburg. Once our march has begun, attempt to bring the Russians to battle. If you beat the Russians in Germany and we take St. Petersburg, we can both gain. We wish to take some of the Russian Islands in the Baltic and take Lithuania from them. If you demand more territory in that region as well we can always hold over their heads the threat that I will burn St. Petersburg unless demands are met. Do you find this plan agreeable?"

This is a letter sent recently to Francis Von Lorraine by of course the Swedish. We hope that other foriegn powers are reading this, as this is what I strongly believe will happen to any of Swedan's allies. Not only is His majesty King Karl a Protestant menace bent on again World Domination but also a vicious traitor to his very own protestant nations. We as maintained do not wish any harm or war upon any nation but after reading this the Swedish deserve all of our aggression. No other nation shall be harmed unless it attacks our soverignty.

Signed:
His Highness Price Ludwig Autrasa Von Munche
Price of Bavaria Channcelor of the Riestach

OOC- I got this through TG obviously because of it's secretive nature. So i'll start working on a Rp soon for the war if anyone is still interested.

This is nothing other than a complete falsification! Why on Earth would we do something that would jeapordise our own interests in the Baltic? I think the proof of its falsity is in the claim that Russia is somehow Protestant. And how, pray, would a Swedish army march unimpeded straight to the heart of the Russian capital? This is a downright lie aiming to undermine our credibility with the world. I ask for the tables to be turned and for Von Lorraine to be discredited by so blatantly falsifying a Swedish note.

Good Day.

Imperial Announcment

With diplomatic relations to Sweden failing the Holy Roman Empire has annonced today it's invasion plan. A strike force of 4 ships of the line 10 frigates and 40 other smaller craft shall make it's way towards the island of Gotland in the Baltic sea. The expedition shall set out from Hamburg lead by Grand Admiral Friedrech Astopo onboard the 72 gunned Emeperor. The last of the Emperor's elite regiments shall lead the attack. Hopefully a beachead can be established and money from the island used to fund a larger fleet for a finall invasion of Swedan.

Imperial Announcment

With diplomatic relations to Sweden failing the Holy Roman Empire has annonced today it's invasion plan. A strike force of 4 ships of the line 10 frigates and 40 other smaller craft shall make it's way towards the island of Gotland in the Baltic sea. The expedition shall set out from Hamburg lead by Grand Admiral Friedrech Astopo onboard the 72 gunned Emeperor. The last of the Emperor's elite regiments shall lead the attack. Hopefully a beachead can be established and money from the island used to fund a larger fleet for a finall invasion of Swedan.


I don't know much about Gotland. Is it a large island? Even if it is, the expense of outfitting a fleet and an army would probably outweigh any financial gain you get from the island.

OOC- Gotland is about 3,000 sq KM of mostly barron rock and scrub land. There is however a few redeeming qualities

1. Of course the dukedom or Earldom treasuary at Visbey along with the money from the other about 12,000 inhabitants at this time.

2. Gotland is the basing harbor for, I think, the second biggest whaling project in the Baltic, also with a lot of money.

3. There is practically no military presence there.

Anyway it's not for the money really it's for a foothold into Sweden, even with all the above mentioned i don't expect to break even. The island is only about 140 Km away from Sweden that's the real reason for the invasion.

A letter from Vienna:

We heard that you are in war with the French, and so are we. We have a proposal, a coalition is abouth to form against the French. We hope you will sign it too, as we are trying to get other states that are hostile to the French doing in Europe.
We are looking forward for your answer!

Signed:
Josef II. Prince of Austria

OOC- Gotland is about 3,000 sq KM of mostly barron rock and scrub land. There is however a few redeeming qualities

1. Of course the dukedom or Earldom treasuary at Visbey along with the money from the other about 12,000 inhabitants at this time.

2. Gotland is the basing harbor for, I think, the second biggest whaling project in the Baltic, also with a lot of money.

3. There is practically no military presence there.

Anyway it's not for the money really it's for a foothold into Sweden, even with all the above mentioned i don't expect to break even. The island is only about 140 Km away from Sweden that's the real reason for the invasion.


We do still have frigates patrolling the Baltic and they will give warning the inhabitants of the island and will attempt to use military and civilian craft to evacuate as many people as possible.

OOC- Well we would have let them go after a certain amount of pillage, but we won't try to stop civilian evacuations. And If you say so I would just like to land since there is no particularly large force there. Although you could try and engage my fleet but i'd much rather just land in peace without mass sluaghter. So as soon as I have a response i'll either say the HRE took it with no resistance. Or we could have a massive naval battle.

I only have frigates in the area so I couldn't engage you. Once my fleet returns from the battle off Calais we will fight, and possibly with massive Dutch reinforcements.

OOC- Right then, hope this is somewhat like you expect

IC-

Imperial Announcment

Today the 3rd Imperial Grenadier Regiment landed on the southern half of Gotland. It moved through the country finding either empty towns or isolated villages. The army is now only 6 hours march away from the capital of Visbey,and is expected to capture it with no resistance. Although the day is not a complete victory, it is speculated that while the Swedish were evacuating civilians they also ran off with most supplies andd treasure that would have made this expedition profitable.

The flagship of the fleet, Emperor has been ordered to sieze cargo ships coming from Gotland, but the Emperor's ventures will most likely be in vain.

ooc: Waldenburg, you didn't answer to my letter... :rolleyes:

OOC- Sorry about that didn't see it

IC-

The Holy Roman Empire shall join this pact as we are already at war with France. The western army is already mobalized and awaits alliance commands.

Perhaps this is also the time to broach the subject of Prussian expansion. Our armies stand in their way but we are without much in the way of cavalry. It would be appreciated if our Austrian allies would send reinforcements mostly in the way of heavy cavalry. We give you full permission to march through our lands to get to Prussia.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty
Francis Von Lorraine

We will send 4 regiments of Cuirsairs, and 2 of our best, the Chavaulgers. That is 5400 horses, wich will be sent to your gatehring places. They will join your army under the comand of general Holzen, so we can confront the Prussians together.

Signed:
Josef II.

ooc: we are waiting for you in the austrian-prussian thread, post your numbers there so we can start the battle.
(the link is in the main thread)

Clipping From the München Times (Please Don't Argue with name)

Imperial troops have finally gained complete control of the island of Gotland. A new Count has been chosen from, suprisingly not the nobility but from the wealthy citizenry of Bavaria. The new count, who used to be Otto Gerstand the owner of a succesful line of mills and factories in Munich. He brought with him to the island nearly 9,000 Catholic Germans wanting to escape the crush of humanity in the capital. The party set out for Hamburg nearly one month before the invasion even started. The island has now been renamed Ibblesguard. The new Count is of course just an Imperial puppet as it was Imperial ships that carried the count across and Imperial troops that guard his castle.

Since his arrival on the island Otto has ordered cannons and building materials to reinforce once what was Visebey castle. Also he has with him the Grand Admiral of Imperial Fleets who will assist him in the constucting of a shipyard witch will also be fortified.

Yet another clipping from the München Times

After an ilfated uprising today at the Imperial Palace in Nancy, Francis Von Lorraine has given a new Imperial decree. The order states that the uprising was lead by Protestants and that they are behind all the HRE's problems. Through the aurging of the Council of Bishops Protestants have been declared at national enemy. Hundreds throughout the city of Munich,Worms,Hamburg, Kiel, and Nancy have been arrested and either sent into forced labour or now inhabit the decks of the Imperial ships. All the money of the Protestants has been given to the many houses to stop the looming bankruptcy. Lately Protestants have only been view as a mild nuisance with the Emperor letting them finally come out and practice their own relgion. This may have been a plot spanning back years to uncover Protestants.

Yet another clipping from the München Times

After an ilfated uprising today at the Imperial Palace in Nancy, Francis Von Lorraine has given a new Imperial decree. The order states that the uprising was lead by Protestants and that they are behind all the HRE's problems. Through the aurging of the Council of Bishops Protestants have been declared at national enemy. Hundreds throughout the city of Munich,Worms,Hamburg, Kiel, and Nancy have been arrested and either sent into forced labour or now inhabit the decks of the Imperial ships. All the money of the Protestants has been given to the many houses to stop the looming bankruptcy. Lately Protestants have only been view as a mild nuisance with the Emperor letting them finally come out and practice their own relgion. This may have been a plot spanning back years to uncover Protestants.


This will have the same effect as the expulsion by Louis XIV of the Huegenots. Many will be arrested, but more will escape. A proportion of Protestants will end up mainly in Prussia, though some will make it to Sweden, Great Britain and the Netherlands.