NationStates Jolt Archive

Basically, each player would take control of a nation, probably European, though America and South American resistance movements will also be playable, and then navigates his or her country/people, through the political landmines of 17th/18th Century Europe. If there is enough interest in this thread I will begin to look for other Moderators to join me in keeping the RP on track. Battles can either be decided by myself (or another appointed war moderator), or they can be Rp'ed by players. In this case, the players would create a thread for the battle and take it in turns to post their troop movements and then a war moderator will decide the outcome of the
movements.



Every week a new year will begin and the months will be played out as follows:

Monday- January/February
Tuesday- March/April/May
Wedneseday- June
Thursday-July
Friday- August/September
Saturday- October/November
Sunday- December



I am heavily indebted to E20 for the timescale I will adopt and doubtless other things I have picked up from there. (by the way E20 people I'm still gonna be participating there heavily). Summer here is lengthened as it is campaigning season and Sunday is only one month because a lot of people cannot be here on Sunday for whatever reason.

And yeah this would be 'participate when you can'. However, a certain level of commitment would be expected from major players (e.g. UK, France, German States, Spain etc...).




There will also be a few modifications to history. The Earth would start in 1760 and the following entities will be present, regardless of their existence in RL. I have let some of the superpowers exist that would otherwise be broken up by now purely to not need so many roleplayers to play the numerous city states and tiny kingdoms that would be around now. These countries are also open as of now if there is enough interest.



United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland: Rodenka
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9785489#post9785489


Kingdom of France: Jensai
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449038


Holy Roman Empire: Waldenburg 2
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449224


Kingdom of Prussia:

Kingdom of Sweden: Gintonpar/Commnista (same person)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449195


Kingdom of Denmark (occupying Norway):


Most Catholic Kingdom of Spain: Aust
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9791296#post9791296


Kingdom of Portugal:


Kingdom of the Netherlands (includes Belgium here): Lachenburg
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9797623#post9797623


Czardom of Russia: Magrathean Traders
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9787480#post9787480



Empire of Austria-Hungary: Wolfenbach
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449322


The Ottoman Empire: Philanchez
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449914

Kingdom of Poland: Madnestan
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9788020&posted=1#post9788020


The American Independence Movement: Sarzonia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449247


Kingdom of Naples:


Dukedom of Milan: Vietnamexico
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=450011


Dukedom of Lombardy:


Kingdom of Piedmont:


South American Resistance Movement: Kroando
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread...65#post9846265



and any others I have missed out....

Also, applications to be moderators are welcome but you must prove your willingness and credentials a little. Again, I'm VERY grateful to the creators of the E20 alternate history Earth for the main guidelines on how it should be run. Thanks. And yeah, let me know if you are interested everyone

Placeholder.




The year currently is:



1762

Also a placeholder, however, some other information is also available about this Earth on its 'planning' thread which can be found here:



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449023

Official Swedish News Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9785321#post9785321

French News Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449038)

UK news thread... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9785489#post9785489

Holy Roman Empire Link. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449224)

Thanks everyone for getting your news threads set up. Apart from Waldenburg, who has done an especially good job, now we need a bit of background information on the general political state of your nations, what their policies are and their ambitions and aims. Also well done to Rodenka for his thread.

Another point, most nations are monarchies at the moment and one of the main catalysts for European wars at this time was succession to a throne. For example the Wars of Devolution and the Wars of the Spanish Succession. Please realise that at this time, parliaments have little power but ever hunger for more, and a Kings death is a serious event. If they die without an heir of age there is a power vacuum, which very possibly makes for civil war as other European dynasties vie to place their candidate on the throne. Also, be prepared for the claims to be very tenous, as much is at stake. A viable cause for war could be, for example, a Spanish king dyeing. Then, the Hapsburg family (the Austrian player), may declare one of its house to be rightful heir to the throne from a previous generation, and may then declare war. This is not at all uncommon and players should be prepared for a dynastic death to meet with strife and possibly even open conflict with other nations.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9787480#post9787480 ---Russian News Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449247

American Indpendence Movement info thread... right now, just establishing a "character" and setting the stage for later on.

Thank you very much for your News Threads everybody. Please add to them as and when you can so we can have a sort of factbook for each nation. Please also deisgnate your successors to thrones/other political systems. Everybody is doing a good job so far. Keep it up. And remember all you Napoleonic Era enthusiasts out there, there are still a lot of powerful nations still to be claimed, as well as a few smaller ones.

Polish News Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449310)

Polish News Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449310
(How do you change the link into some other text? Like Polish News Thread or something. Sorry for n00bishnes... :rolleyes: )

Added the link, and I havn't the faintest clue about turning hyperlinks to text. I'm not really a computer person.

Polish News Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449310
(How do you change the link into some other text? Like Polish News Thread or something. Sorry for n00bishnes... :rolleyes: )

OOC: What you do is this: After you type [url, don't end the bracket. Hit the equal sign, post the URL you want, THEN hit the end bracket. Type the text you want, then type the [/url] following that text.

Like this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449185), for instance. You can also click on Reply With Quote and see how other people have formatted it to know what I'm talking about.

If you have any other questions about that, please let me know.

Thank you, Sarzonia! I think I got it right now. It's great that there's still people like you out there, willing to give a helping hand for newbies like me. I really appreciate this.

I'm just going to point something out here.

Some massive armies have been mentioned already, mainly by the Holy Roman Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Armies this large are practically impossible to maintain. Only in wartime would an army like this be CONSIDERED. An army size of Austria Hungary in peacetime would probably be around 200,000 troops of all arms, probably about the same for the Holy Roman Empire. Though the Holy Roman Empire did state that not all of their troops were directly under the Emperors control. Huge armies simply did not exist until around the time of Napoleon's conquest. France, in one of her wars against the Grand Coalition under the kingship of Louis XIV, once raised an army of 450,000 and this crippled the country. The only way to justify the creation of such huge armies is a war of conquest, where the goods pillaged paid for the army. The maintenance of a peacetime army of over around 200,000 is practically impossible with the cost of modern warfare and the expense of feeding the troops.

To put it simply, a nation such as the two I have previously mentioned, CAN maintain a 300,000 or so strong army in peacetime, but not for more than around 6 or 7 years. Then it will exhaust the country's economy. A realistic army strength would be around 200,000, with a cadre of trained men ready to be called up in times of conflict. It was only with the advent of true Napoleonic Era full scale warfare that the maintenance of large standing armies become practical in real terms. Therefore, I believe that until a major war is fought where new means of financing are introduced, such as state banking systems (first invented by the Swedes in the 1780s I think), then Austria-Hungary should keep its standing army at around 250,000, and I am being generous here. They are NOT fighting any wars at the moment so I think that the government of that country could not justify too large a force.

...And plus that, we aren't even in the actual Napoleonic Era yet! The year is 1760. Therefore even a straight comparison to year 1804 or something is not working here.

...And plus that, we aren't even in the actual Napoleonic Era yet! The year is 1760. Therefore even a straight comparison to year 1804 or something is not working here.

Exactly. Argh I am annoyed at not being able to get on the forums as Gintonpar...

Anotherrrrr point. Just a quick administrative thing. If somebody, for example, posts an alliance request in your thread, it is easier for me to keep up with if you reply in the same thread rather than posting in the other persons thread. Just helps me get by. Thank you.

Ok, just to make one think clear here...

I know i should wrote this in my thread but i forgot. Maria Theresia reformed the army wich meaned that the army would be AT HOME, farming, but constantly going to the practices and maneuvers (i think it was each sunday ) and only a few thousand were actualy in baracs all the time. While the arms for the whole army in the time of peace were kept in huge armouries (in year 1699 the armoury in Graz alone strored 185.700 pieces of equiptment including huge stcks of bullets, armurs, hanguns, pikes...). When war broked out, all men listed had to report-in and were armed and transfered to their units, that is why Maria started the huse-numbers system, to keep track of this...

So, maybe i should mention this earlier (sorry abouth that...), but the numbers listed is the army that Austria could rise in a couple of weeks in case of war (and ofcourse much more militia...).

I live in Slovenia, wich were in Austrian empire at that time, and i am kind a history fanatic, so i know much abouth this things ;)

The actual number of troops always at arms is only around 20.000-30.000 :rolleyes:

Cheers!

Ok, just to make one think clear here...

I know i should wrote this in my thread but i forgot. Maria Theresia reformed the army wich meaned that the army would be AT HOME, farming, but constantly going to the practices and maneuvers (i think it was each sunday ) and only a few thousand were actualy in baracs all the time. While the arms for the whole army in the time of peace were kept in huge armouries (in year 1699 the armoury in Graz alone strored 185.700 pieces of equiptment including huge stcks of bullets, armurs, hanguns, pikes...). When war broked out, all men listed had to report-in and were armed and transfered to their units, that is why Maria started the huse-numbers system, to keep track of this...

So, maybe i should mention this earlier (sorry abouth that...), but the numbers listed is the army that Austria could rise in a couple of weeks in case of war (and ofcourse much more militia...).

I live in Slovenia, wich were in Austrian empire at that time, and i am kind a history fanatic, so i know much abouth this things ;)

The actual number of troops always at arms is only around 20.000-30.000 :rolleyes:

Cheers!

Ah thats very helpful and completely acceptable. Thanks for clearing this up.

Also chaps, religious tensions will still be running high, just to let any of you who have a persecuting streak know. The current religious followings and subsequent tensions are:

France:
Catholic country. Still actively persecuting minority Heugenouts (French protestants).


Great Britain:
Protestant nation. Unlikely to go to war on religious grounds.

Spain:
Extremely Catholic. Intolerant and proud. Would still consider war on a religious pretext.

Holy Roman Empire:
Catholic, obviously. However, rising discontent here as Protestantism is embraced more and more. BIG opportunities for civil strife and rebellion. Possibly even foreign intervention in favour of either Catholics or Protestants. A good contender for the catalyst of the first major European war in this thread.

Austro-Hungary:
Fiercely Catholic Hapsburg family in charge. Will directly intervene in other nations to keep them both a) under Hapsburg influence and b) Catholic. Though would not risk outright war, more likely funding Catholic causes.

Sweden:
Lutheran Protestants. Supports Protestant causes throughout Europe with funds but unlikely to take direct action.

Denmark:
Similar to Sweden.

Russia:
Orthodox Christian denomination. Unlikely to go to war on religious grounds.

Portugal:
Similar to Spain.

Netherlands:
Very volatile Protestant majority. A prized posession by foreign powers and another good contender for starting a major European war.

Prussia:
Protestant majority. Opposes the Holy Roman Empire in just about everything religious. Yet another good contender for starting a major European war. (we need a good RPer here so please apply somebody as Prussia is a very important and influential player in international politics).

(these are the main ones, please let me know if I have missed any out.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9791296#post9791296

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9791296#post9791296

Link added.

I would Like to Apply is this acceptable How would I prove myself?

I would Like to Apply is this acceptable How would I prove myself?

Unless I know you (which I don't) then I would have to see what your conduct would be like in the first major war that you fought. Basically, you need to know a fair bit about the general warfare tactics and logistics of this period in history. For example, have you studied it at school or independently?

Logistics is a big part of being a war moderator, its not just calculating battle results, its seeing who would march faster and why. In a head on clash which side would come out kicking. The only way to prove yourself really is for me to completely moderate the first war we all have and see what your conduct is like in it. You also have to be able to prepare your army and your order of battle before hand and have the time and commitment to moderate. If you feel you fit the bill then by all means let me know, but ultimately it will come down to your conduct in the first major war we have. But don't go starting a war just to prove it!

Also improve your spelling and grammar. Just take a little more time with your posts.

Okay may I ask when our first major war wil be lol?

I would Like to Apply is this acceptable How would I prove myself?

In regards to your grammar, you don't need capital letters on the words like, apply and how in this sentence.

Okay may I ask when our first major war wil be lol?

Who knows, its certainly not up to me to decide, it depends upon the players actions. But if Spain persists with this Catholic alliance then it won't be too long.

The Kingdom of Sweden hereby issues a call to arms among the Protestant states of Europe to unite against the spreading Catholic disease. The call for an alliance of neccessity between ourselves, Russia, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Prussia and Denmark is called for to defeat this great threat. Please respond as swiftly as possible.

Also, we call on the French nation NOT to join this unholy Catholic alliance of the Spain and the Holy Roman Empire. We respect the French nation and would not wish war on it. Cast out this warmongering evil and no war shall come to pass between our two nations. To the rest of the Protestant world, join us in standing up to this Catholic pestilence. Who will answer me?

King Karl X of Sweden.

Interesting. If you wouldn't mind, could I join as the Kingdom of the Netherlands?

Just thought of this, shouldn't we have some sort of universal relgious leader. Well actually two a Pope and an all Powerfull Archbishop of Cantebury.

To King Karl X

I was outraged to find out that you and other non-beliver kings are planing an alliance! I must warn you in the name of good to not do such foolishnes and turn to the right faith while you still can... In other case, Austria will remove its support and will stop all friendly actions with the kingdom of Sweden!

Empress Maria Theresia

Interesting. If you wouldn't mind, could I join as the Kingdom of the Netherlands?

Sure. Make a NewsThread like the one you made for Belgium on E20 and consider yourself added. Also, if you read the other threads you are under threat of invasion from the Spanish but the Protestant Nations as well as France I think are going to be backing you up.

To King Karl X

I was outraged to find out that you and other non-beliver kings are planing an alliance! I must warn you in the name of good to not do such foolishnes and turn to the right faith while you still can... In other case, Austria will remove its support and will stop all friendly actions with the kingdom of Sweden!

Empress Maria Theresia


ooc: They made a Catholic Alliance first in case you didn't know, if you did know, and this outburst knew this, then we reply with indignation and similarily cut ties with the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Does anyone know where I can find stuff on the British Navy and Army at this time? It would help me a lot! Thanks.

I have couple of links conserning Napoleonic era, but we aren't there quite yet...
http://web2.airmail.net/napoleon/

Does anyone know where I can find stuff on the British Navy and Army at this time? It would help me a lot! Thanks.

Try searching google for the British Army during the French wars of revolution. that may produce a few decent results that are fairly near our time period.

ooc: They made a Catholic Alliance first in case you didn't know, if you did know, and this outburst knew this, then we reply with indignation and similarily cut ties with the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Yes i did know, but that still isn't an excuse to make a world-protestant alliance and declear war on holy roman empire...

Yes i did know, but that still isn't an excuse to make a world-protestant alliance and declear war on holy roman empire...

Whats done is done, lets get on with the game. By the way, New Shiron has telegrammed me and will be playing as Prussia by monday. Which is the official start of the RP as it will be 1760 on monday.

Sehr gut! Time to do some killing!

Dutch Events Thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9797623#post9797623)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9798746#post9798746 -Spanish army advances upon French Boarders. If your going to attack/invade somthing in what looks like the coming conflict, or have any message about this please post HERE!

Bump for anyone else interested.

I would like to RP as Milan please.

I would like to RP as Milan please.

Oki doke, set up a News Thread and I will add you in. Bear in mind no huge armies for you, little Milan, and watch out for those dastardly Lombards. :)

Seems good this far... Who do we need now, Ginton? Ottomans perhaps? Or is this enough for starting?

Looks about right

Turks? What, you want to give me more enemies?!?! :p

Well, they'er like the only untaken major power. But they didn't have that great role in the late 18th century, so I guess we can manage pretty well without them. The official RP starts tomorrow if I got it right, right?

Yes, i think so....

HEy, what happened to the Russian and Spanish news threads, i cant open them?

Huh there still there!

Yes, i think so....

HEy, what happened to the Russian and Spanish news threads, i cant open them?

He's right. I shall replace the links when I next log in as Commnista. Which could be a while considering I have to directly access the forums rather than go to them through nationstates as both of my countries are denied access to the forums from the link on the main page. Viz Script Error or some crap. Nevertheless I shall attempt to get on as Commnista again soon and replace the links.

Umm...Its Kingdom of Two Sicilies not Kingdom of Naples...also Id like to RP the Ottomans.

Umm...Its Kingdom of Two Sicilies not Kingdom of Naples...also Id like to RP the Ottomans.

Hmm, I've seen maps refer to the area with both names, so I don't think it truly matters.

And if your interested in playing the Ottomans, please make a Events Thread and post the link here.

Ok. I always thought of it as the Two-Sicilies because Charles III of Spain placed them both under the same control in 1737. Officialy by the Congress of Vienna in 1815.

He's right. I shall replace the links when I next log in as Commnista. Which could be a while considering I have to directly access the forums rather than go to them through nationstates as both of my countries are denied access to the forums from the link on the main page. Viz Script Error or some crap. Nevertheless I shall attempt to get on as Commnista again soon and replace the links.

Hit the HOME-thing in there, right next to the F.A.Q, Search and those. Scroll the page down untill you see the Logout. Hit that, and after doing so you can log in whatever nation you wish.

The Eternal State of the Osmanli Dynasty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449914)

Okay. I've added a few more links and fixed the broken ones. I havn't checked them yet so tell me if they are still broken/invalid.

Here is a rather accurate map of Europe during the early-mid 18th Century (circa 1714). I'd figure we might use it for reference and to adjust territories.

Map (http://wps.ablongman.com/wps/media/objects/262/268312/art/figures/KISH_18_404.gif)

But don't mind the red line, its not corect for our period, otherwise, nice map! :)

Also, Poland aint that huge now. The eastern border is about 100 kilometers west from that. Just a guess though, gotta check it out later on. Other than that, very nice!

Good map.

Nice map, though Austria will be indeendent from the Holy Roman Empire of course. So as someone above me said I think the red line does not apply here.

Alrigth guys I just got grounded for one of my grades so i will be on sporadically for about 2-4 weeks. The Ottoman Empire will undergo major reforms and just so that any of you that are planning training my troops to be idiots. Any officer caught lieing about strategy will be sent home or executed depending on the offense. I mean come on the ottomans were behind but mosty tech wise not in tactics!

You know shit about all that. It was personal and übersecret letter from one king to another, and isn't necessarily even true plan. Regardless, your Sultan doesn't know anything about it. Your sentence about the intelligence of us, I'll ignore that. For now.

What's important here is, that YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE about those letters.

Is this clear?

Also extremely secret, no copies at all coming anywhere close to the Ottoman Empire
OOC- Oh alright, due to international pressure the false training has been dropped. All though other cunning plans involving swing from chandeliers and exploding warships are still going to happen. It was a little half baked but I needed some sentance filler.

And a question how do you get those little dots above the u's and o's like in Uber?

Magic, my brother, pure magic.

(Also, pressing the letter right from å and left from Enter, down and right from ´ before hitting U also helps)

You know shit about all that. It was personal and übersecret letter from one king to another, and isn't necessarily even true plan. Regardless, your Sultan doesn't know anything about it. Your sentence about the intelligence of us, I'll ignore that. For now.

What's important here is, that YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE about those letters.

Is this clear?


Cool it chaps. Lets keep it civil.

By the way, any news on the Spanish movements on the French border? Is there war there yet?

waldenburg, when are we going to RP the wedding.

meh, I am in enough charater RPs without this one, methinks i will invade Genoa

Some more questions:
Why does the Netherlands thread and the France-Spain battle thread not work?
When will the person that you mentioned join and RP Prussia?
C'mon people, i want something going on not only negotiations! :p

Well Galveston Bay said he would post by Monday but I know for a fact he is heavily involved in the Earth 1900 RP and has had a lot of problems getting on the Jolt Forums but he shouldn't be too long.

Some more questions:
Why does the Netherlands thread and the France-Spain battle thread not work?
When will the person that you mentioned join and RP Prussia?
C'mon people, i want something going on not only negotiations! :p

Gah I'm sure these links break daily. I will fix them next time I log in as Commnista.

And by the way, currently France is fighting with Britain (the Seven Years war) mainly over the American colonies. So, if Jensai and Rodenka could send me their troop numbers and placements in America then either I will resolve some results myself or you can RP battles and I will decide the outcome depending on individual moves in the pitched battles.

Also I'm guessing there's gonna be a major European War before long if this Catholic Alliance continues between Spain and the Holy Roman Empire.

The reason some links are not working is simply because of a bug in the NS forums here on Jolt. I couldn't get on the forums for pretty much the past few days so I don't know whether it will be fixed or not but it should be hopefully.

gintinpar/Communista, tell me something, what do we do if we want something from a NPC country? (like declare war, alliance...)

gintinpar/Communista, tell me something, what do we do if we want something from a NPC country? (like declare war, alliance...)


You would table the proposal and bring it to my attention. Then I would decide, as moderator, whether they will accept it. And don't worry I won't be biased, thats why I didn't play a major country, so I would have little cause for bias.

Will post it in my news thread.

Gintonpar, if you need any more battle moderators, please, tell me, since i'm not on any side (not the Catholic not the Protestant alliace), i could moderate any battle if there will be any.

I'm conserned about our France and UK... They are pretty passive to be so important nations.

And Russia hasn't post in days...

And Russia hasn't post in days...

Yes thats a problem. As are the others. I shall telegram them if they don't post in another day I think. What say 'ye?

Sounds ok.

And France still isn't responding-has britian actually posted yet? Seeing as these are the two most important nation in the game...

Russia Will Probably Get involved in the Next war (I wish to test my army Skill's Oh and Sorry for not rerplying I have been on Holiday

Glad to hear that! Just... don't forget the grammar ;)

:d

Still waiting for Jensai... In case Lombardy reyects our Ultimatum and if France stays out of our buisnes, Austria will declare war on Lombardy no mather wich italian states will support them...
Also, still waiting for Rodenkas reply and Milans...

Sorry! School work and forums beign screwed up have delayed me. I think Jensai and I were going to fudgfe the 7 years war and say that I win, as per history.

Hello. I would like to RP a South American Resistance movement lead by Simon Bolivar. I know, he would only be around six years old now, but if you could find it in your hearts to allow him to exist in 1760, I would forever be indebted to you.

Where the hells Sweden?

Sorry! School work and forums beign screwed up have delayed me. I think Jensai and I were going to fudgfe the 7 years war and say that I win, as per history.

I don't like that idea... not that my opinion matters though. Poland has little to do with it. Just that just "jumping over" a whole war reduces the amount of actual RP quite a lot.

Where the hells Sweden?

Between Finland and Norway.

I belive he meant were is Gintonpar, not the coutry :D :p

As per seven years war, i don't agree either, Austria took a part in that war, and i cant wait for battles!

Avast. I am returned. I apologise, I was at my friends house for a couple of days and unexpectedly I did not have full internet access but I am back now.

I'm afraid the Seven Years War will have to be fought you two, no backing out of this, and yes other European nations may wish to interfere on either side. Thanks for making yourselves known Britain and Russia, now lets get some real participation going, especially from the major nations.

Here's a good mapsite (http://www.class.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/maps.htm). For this RP, but also for other use.

Ok, now realy were the fuck is Jensai? I can't continue until i get an answer form France!

Hello. I would like to RP a South American Resistance movement lead by Simon Bolivar. I know, he would only be around six years old now, but if you could find it in your hearts to allow him to exist in 1760, I would forever be indebted to you.

You can RP as a South American resistance movement but no Simon Bolivar I'm afraid. Just introduce a different character. Or control multiple resistance movements.

Sorry for my absence from the past few days due in part to events that have been played out quite infamously on these fora. I'll post again as the American colonies no later than tonight.

The year is now



1762



since monday....

So the seven years war is almost over :(

Can i say that France will not interfeer and finaly invade Lombardy :rolleyes:

So the seven years war is almost over :(

Can i say that France will not interfeer and finaly invade Lombardy :rolleyes:

No, it is not. In fact, everything but that. As neither of the participants have RP's any major movements, it must be considered as pretty quiet war they have been "fighting" thus far, right?

Remember, this is an alternative history ;) The years of history don't apply here, atleast in cases like this. Methinks.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9843052#post9843052


Check this out. This is extremely vital news, especially for those concerned

*cough* Spain *cough*.

It would be better to create a seperate thread...

That was what i suggested

SRA (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9846265#post9846265)

South American Resistance Movement

I would like to moderate the siege of cadiz since our main moderator is one of the combatants...

And we need to have a moderator for the battle of Pomenaria, becouse our moderator is going to have a battle there too...

Wow, Sweden is in deep shit if Russia will not support it :rolleyes:

I've no problem wiv you moding at Codiz-we need someone to do it now where alread arguing.

I would like to moderate the siege of cadiz since our main moderator is one of the combatants...

And we need to have a moderator for the battle of Pomenaria, becouse our moderator is going to have a battle there too...

Wow, Sweden is in deep shit if Russia will not support it :rolleyes:

I accept your moderation. And yeah I know I will be in shit I'm just trying to make it interesting to get other people doing the same thing.

Look I'm sorry if I piss you off with my IC actions but I'm just trying to cause a bit of controversy to get things moving among the other main nations, I don't want this RP to stagnate so I'm trying to lay the foundations for a bit of conflict. And yes I would accept moderation Wolfenbach. Do you want me to make a new thread or will you?

Im trying to Support Sweden but I cant Find any Statistics for the Size of Russia's Army's In our Peticular year Or any other

Im trying to Support Sweden but I cant Find any Statistics for the Size of Russia's Army's In our Peticular year Or any other


As a rough guide I would say Russia could mobilise around 200,000 men on her Western Front, together with around 20,000 trained cavalry and around 80,000 irregular cavalry. Along with around 100 field guns. Careful with this army though, Russian forces have a nasty habit of getting defeated.

You can find great info on Russian army on this link here (scrool down to tha middle, thare is the title 'Russkaia Armia') http://web2.airmail.net/napoleon/NAPOLEON_FOREVER.html

I'll make a new thread for the siege of Cadiz, here is the link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9848587#post9848587

I also made a thread on Austrian army march in Lombardy, i would need somabody to moderate and somebody to RP the Lombard army, anyone?
Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9848644#post9848644


And Gintonpar, don't wory, i was hardly waiting for somebody to final start a war or something...

If Great Britain's around, I'd like to RP the negotiation with Franklin and his Crown representative soon. And I'd note that I've been RPing the war on my thread.

Just remember, that Napoleonic statistics aren't really valid just yet. The year is 1762, not 1805 ;) . I think the Ginton's numbers are pretty accurate. Those 80,000 irregulars are cossacks, right?

I know, its just some guide lines actualy

I have posted in the Lombardy invasion thread and the siege of Cadiz thread.

Just remember, that Napoleonic statistics aren't really valid just yet. The year is 1762, not 1805 ;) . I think the Ginton's numbers are pretty accurate. Those 80,000 irregulars are cossacks, right?


Yes and the equivalent. Savage raider cavalry really.

If Great Britain's around, I'd like to RP the negotiation with Franklin and his Crown representative soon. And I'd note that I've been RPing the war on my thread.


Well if Rodenka doesn't post in a day (maybe you could telegram him and get him to post?) then I will negotiate as moderator. But I would prefer it if the British player would do it so yea if you could TG him and work something out about RP'ing something that would be great.

Posted in Lombardy, waiting for Aust in Cadiz...

OOC- Since Everyone else is having a war here's a link of my invasion of Pomerania
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451321

Right I'm ehre now!

Well yes you are, but your post isn't :p

OOC: Can i take command of Prussia?

I think you could, but we must wait for Gintonpar to tell you 8i think he will let you play, we ahve a shortage of players)

As long as you are going to be fairly active then I don't have a problem. Create a news thread like the other players and get going.

Posted in the Cadiz thread Wolfenbach and Aust. Looking for a response from Aust and results of the attack from Wolfenbach.

I am planning on asking one of the European Nations for aid, or to even make contact with one, however, due to me not knowing what exactly is going on, I cannot. If sombody could tell me what the current war is over, and the sides, I would be able to make some IC posts. Thanks.

I am planning on asking one of the European Nations for aid, or to even make contact with one, however, due to me not knowing what exactly is going on, I cannot. If sombody could tell me what the current war is over, and the sides, I would be able to make some IC posts. Thanks.

Essentially another Faith based war, similar to that of the Thirty Year's War, has ignited in Europe with the Protestant faction being led by Sweden and the Catholic Faction by the German Confederation.

However, in an unlikely move, Austria declared her neutrality in the conflict and France, with a growing Huegenot minority, also chose to distance herself from the Catholic factions.

Thus, the sides are as follows:

Protestant League:

- Sweden
- The Netherlands
- Russia (Not protestant, but have agreed to join the fight against Poland)

Catholic League

- German Confederation
- Spain
- Poland

The only real action that has occured thus far is a Swedish attack on the Spanish port city of Cadiz. However, all sides are indeed mobilizing their armies, with the Russians allocating forces to attack Poland, the Dutch mobilizing a large majority of their forces to strike into the German Confederation and the Catholics preparing their own attacks as well.

Sweden sent pirates to take down Spanish ships that bring gold and silver from SA. This was propably because of the growing tension between the Catholic Alliance that was thought to be formed between Austria and HRE. Sweden didn't like the idea, neither did France.

Spain sent strong army to the border of France, but no actual battles have yet been fought, neither war declared.

Spain sent the bulk of her navy to Caribean to battle the swedish pirates, so the Swedes were able to land army of around 15,000 men in Spain and are now about to attack the city of Cadiz.

Meanwhile, Austria is moving to conquer Venice from Lombardia, and France has declared war against it to prevent this from happening, though they will propably come too late to change the situation.

Holy Roman Empire has now declared war to Sweden and is attacking Pommeria that is under Swedish rule, and Poland has supported this desicion by also declaring war to Swedes.

Russia has surprisingly warm relations to Sweden, and it is possible that it may join on their side pretty soon.

Well sinse im revolting against Spain, I geuss I should go to the Protestants for help. Sent a letter to Sweden in his thread.

Well sinse im revolting against Spain, I geuss I should go to the Protestants for help. Sent a letter to Sweden in his thread.


Replied in my thread.

Gintonpar, i'm waiting for you in the war with Lombardy thread...

Gintonpar, i'm waiting for you in the war with Lombardy thread...


Gotcha, I've replied in the Cadiz thread as well.

Wolfenbach, I didn't laugh at you in the Swedish Thread (sorry for that Ginton, it was certainly a wrong thread for that) but I was just amused because of the fact that nations are forced to make silly desicions to compensate lazynes of some of their fellow players.

Rodenka is the one I was laughing at, not you.

No problem, i just realy didn't get the idea, but i must confes, afet you mentioned it, it look silly to me to...

I was just wondering... Is Russia in war against Poland, HRE and Spain/in alliance with Sweden? He did say, if I got it correctly, that he sent some cavalry and "gunmen", apparently without guns, to "help Sweden". Does that mean that he is in war?

If that's the case, should I make the East Front-thread?

What do you think, Gintopar?

Yes he is at war, but it appears to me he doesn't have the faintest idea of what he is doing. 100 gunmen?



Margrathean Traders, could I suggest you take a smaller country, such as Denmark or Portugal maybe, until you grasp a few of the basics of what we are doing? This is NOT a sarcastic post but maybe you should just observe how we RP and pick up a few tips first. It's just that you seem to be a bit new to this and that isn't a problem, but you are in charge of a major European power and if you are a bit hesitant about what to do then maybe you should hand over to someone else for a while until you are a bit more confident?

Until then, shall we say, Russia is at war on Sweden and Hollands side.

I've been very, very busy. I'm sorry.

Gintonpar, i posted in the siege of Cadiz and i am waiting for you in the lombardy thread... :rolleyes:

Everybody's having fun with their wars... :(

I wanna have a decent Russia to fight!

Wanna see blood, wanna see death, or gonna tell momma! :mad:

I Basicall am not a Major History fan like you guys and can not really do as much so do what you want with the country

I Basicall am not a Major History fan like you guys and can not really do as much so do what you want with the country


Well if you have quit then thats that. Responsibility will move to another country.



ANYONE AND EVERYONE. WE NEED A NEW RUSSIA.

Perhaps we should make a new recruit thread for that? I doubt whether there's many of those who bother to read OOC thread of a closed RP. ;)

Erm a new russia you say....

Erm a new russia you say....

You got it.

You got it.
Thiniking if i know anyone who would join.

Thiniking if i know anyone who would join.

Would be greatly appreciated if you found one :)

I'm eager to get this war going!

Were to f*** is everybody? :confused:

Gintonpar?

Were to f*** is everybody? :confused:

Gintonpar?


Ahoy.

Couldn't find this thread for a while. But I am currently undergoing a campaign (including a possible sea battle) against the Spanish so the Earth is nowhere near dead or anything.

Ahoy.

Couldn't find this thread for a while. But I am currently undergoing a campaign (including a possible sea battle) against the Spanish so the Earth is nowhere near dead or anything.
OKAY, oh and the Spanish fleet represents what was at the battle of traflager, plus a few more (Ships that where at that time on escort duty.)

Right this seems okay. The Swedish/Dutch fleet will be posted in the Siege of Cadiz thread.

Hey, Ginton, we need you in the Austrian-Italian war thread.

Got you.

Posted in Siege of Cadiz and Lombardy threads.

Posted in Lombardy thread.

Hey is there any Nations left that I could be? I'd like to have a go at an RP like this myself and I don't mind if I'm just a small Earldom or Barony or an actual Kingdom, I could even be Russia if it's still open...
I'm pretty good at RPing and I'm good at keeping track of a situation but I don't have heaps of actual experience in battles.

Hey is there any Nations left that I could be? I'd like to have a go at an RP like this myself and I don't mind if I'm just a small Earldom or Barony or an actual Kingdom, I could even be Russia if it's still open...
I'm pretty good at RPing and I'm good at keeping track of a situation but I don't have heaps of actual experience in battles.



Russia is free and we really need a Russian player. Make a little News Thread about your country with some basic details in and we will keep you on track in the actual battles :)

So I'm in? Alright then, welcome the new Czar of Russia:D
If it's not too much trouble could someone inform me of the current states of my country? Do I continue on from the other guys work or just start anew from the current year? Lastly what is a good place to find information on my militarry strength and country borders? If someone could help me with this it would be great maybe a couple of websites would be good, but if not...I'll have to do it myself, it'll take a fair bit longer to get everything in order though.
Oh yeah is there an official map that we are working off if so please provide a link.
See you all in there:)

Try searches on pages on Russia under Peter The Great, then Russia in the Napoleonic period and then try to strike a balance between them. Thats what I would try to do if I couldn't get any time specific statistics.

Corect me if i'm wrong, but many players has become unactive, i think they left. Such nations are (i don't know the players, only nations):

-England
-Both american movements???
-HRE
-Milan
-Turkey
-Poland???
-Netherlands???

Maybe we should create a recruitment thread to get new people...

Corect me if i'm wrong, but many players has become unactive, i think they left. Such nations are (i don't know the players, only nations):

-England
-Both american movements???
-HRE
-Milan
-Turkey
-Poland???
-Netherlands???

Maybe we should create a recruitment thread to get new people...
England-On holiday i think
America-Sarzonias still going but has no one to RP with
HRE-Still going, I think
Milan-?
Turkey-?
Poland-Still going, I think
Netherlands-Ditto.

Is it possible to claim Japan? An early Meji restoration could be interesting...

Is it possible to claim Japan? An early Meji restoration could be interesting...


Yes but you are going to have to be fairly active.

I would like to take Prussia, looks like from the front page that it is open.

Yes, it is, and it was anoying not having anyone to play such a mayor and improtant nation, so i think you will be welcome...

Yes but you are going to have to be fairly active.

That's no problem. I've also send a TG to Commnista to see if he has any objections.

I am Commnista :)

And yes Alt Aus you can take Prussia.

Hey, Ginton can we get your help on the Lombardy thread?

OK I have found a map for Prussia in 1740 which should be fairly accurate as the 7 years war hasn't occured in this timeline, at least I think it hasn't.

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/germany/haxprussia.html

More details:

http://www.bartleby.com/65/pr/Prussia.html

One question though, do I have Saxony which was taken in rl in 1756? And do I have Silesia which was taken in 48?

I'm still looking up more details on my army exc, any help would be much appreciated. I'll get a news thread up later sometime. But expect me to start marching outwards from my borders.

Remember that if you're going to sign up create a news thread or something similar for other nations to communicate with you through, these threads also have information on your army size, political situation etc.

My thread-

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453778

And Japan's thread...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453869

BTW, is Great Britain still active?

Britan is around, he is just exceedingly busy with RL.

Hey, could I get some Hapsburg help in an invasion of Florence and the establishment of a Hapsburg ruler on the throne

Hey, can I change to be Prussia, I really don't like being an insignificant state in Italy, I want to go to Germany, where all the action is going down

Sorry Ive been so inactive what with sci fair and being grounded. Ive been able to start RPing again and would like to take back the ottomans if thats cool...

Hello there, can I take the Khanate of Bokhara (yes, this nation really existed)? It's an (obviously) obscure nation in Central Asia, bordered by the Khanate of Khiva (and some more Khanates, I think). Russia is not very far away. http://map.huhai.net/58-59.jpg (far left side)

French Navy Enacts Blockade on Milan (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9927642#post9927642)

Why on earth are you blockading my ports!

Vietnamexico, Prussia is taken...
Philanchez, i think that is ok, but wait for Ginton...

You do know that Milan is a land-locked nation

Thats fine Philanchez

Hello there, can I take the Khanate of Bokhara (yes, this nation really existed)? It's an (obviously) obscure nation in Central Asia, bordered by the Khanate of Khiva (and some more Khanates, I think). Russia is not very far away. http://map.huhai.net/58-59.jpg (far left side)


Yes you can. God knows why you want that but yes you can have it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453929

Austrian invasion

So, you march in Austria without any declaration of war or without any reason? Fine...but would you please post a map and course of the attack so i can plan my defence...thanks...

Bump...

it's al happening now.

wow, slow down Wolf, I haven't invaded yet, if you read the thread I'm just gathering my army south of Dresen, I haven't moved anywhere yet. And over the past two days I've been talking back and forth with France, he's payed me gold and given me cannon to attack you, and I'm looking to gain a bit of land.

Or lose it :rolleyes: :p

And Ginton, we are waiting for you in Lombardy.

Now I've actually crossed the border with Austria, just south of Dresden.

Were is Ginton? :confused:

Ginton, we realy need you in the Lombardy thread!!!

Whats happening with this war against France?

Which one?

Oh, and I've posted in the Lombardy thread.

Ok, for those who don't know, a coalition has beetn formed against France, curently signed by HRE, Spain and Austria, Milan will probably join too, as it is already in war with France.
We are also hoping to get England join us, but courently, they declined...

I will set up a thread for the coalition meeting...

Here is the link to the Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9961572#post9961572

ooo you scheming austrian you.

Who? Me? :rolleyes: :p

Yeah you.

I've been wathcing this for ahwile and now that things are getting violent, I was wondering if I could join as the Kingdom of Two Sicilies. Which includes Naples and of course Scicily. I'll start working on a thread as soon as you let me.

Hmm okay. I so far have RP'ed their actions in the Lombardy conflict but it would be much better to have a neutral new player in there. Go for it.

I hope this is how you do it http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455653
Scicilian thread

Does anyone know where Poland is? He still hasn't replied to my posts, what do I do I've already invaded him...

Does anyone know where Poland is? He still hasn't replied to my posts, what do I do I've already invaded him...


I'm sorry I don't know. Have you tried telegramming him?

Ginton, can you please take a look at this...link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455653)

Not only his is fleet (imho) too large, but the HRE is paying him 10,000,000 crona. Shouldn't the HRE be somewhat bankrupt at this point?

You obviously underestimate how much money the HRE has. Of course not much of it belongs to the Emperor who can spend it easily, but with all the houses fighting all the time it would be ridicously hard to Rp so there has to be a higher level of unity. At least i didn't type 10,000,000,000...again.

As for his navy it's probably to large but not un-realistic.

14 ships of the line, those are the only ones that matter in a real battle (Frigates are used for relaying message mainly), that isn't too unrealistix. Rarth a large amount of Sloops though.

You obviously underestimate how much money the HRE has. Of course not much of it belongs to the Emperor who can spend it easily, but with all the houses fighting all the time it would be ridicously hard to Rp so there has to be a higher level of unity. At least i didn't type 10,000,000,000...again.

As for his navy it's probably to large but not un-realistic.


I agree the amount you are spending is extremely high but it is possible to do. However, expect a major financial collapse after the war. You can maintain this spending for a year maybe, then your country faces economic collapse. It's all very well hiring a few mercenaries, but you are paying for an entire Neopolitan fleet, equipping a massive field army and launching naval expeditions into the baltic. Yes, you can do it, but no, you cannot keep it up.

That's why I hope to win and get some pillage. and so far in pounds between the Austrian gift and what I spent on mercenaries It's only about 9,000,000 pounds but I see your point.

It just occured to me to mention that in the event of you updating the main page you should know my thread is http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453442

for those who didn't already know.

I TG'd Madnestan/Poland and it turns out he's temp banned for a few more days so if any of you were wondering that's where he has been, as a result my Polish invasion will be halted till he is unbanned.

I'd like to join this RP.. are the following countries left?
China.
Japan
Any of the Scandanavia's
Canada
Ukraine

Thank's. Let me know.

Danmarks free.

I'd like to join this RP.. are the following countries left?
China.
Japan
Any of the Scandanavia's
Canada
Ukraine

Thank's. Let me know.


So is China. The rest are not independent or taken.

Denmark wasn't communist.. but atleast China will be in about 200 years (my history is a little rubbish, please correct me if I'm wrong), I recall from the begining of this post it's about 17/18th Century AD?

Edit: This means I'll take China.

Denmark wasn't communist.. but atleast China will be in about 200 years (my history is a little rubbish, please correct me if I'm wrong), I recall from the begining of this post it's about 17/18th Century AD?

Edit: This means I'll take China.
Huh, what do you eman by that?

I belive he means that if we will play that long, he will be a communist?
Also, i belive it is curently around 1764 (not sure)...

Bann is lifted, Poland is back in the picture. Anyone care to give me a quick update of what important events have occured while I was away?

Well....Swedena dn the Dutch fought the spainish after the Cadiz thing, the end result is still in some light debate but it's safe to say the battle ended with a no-win with both sides losing a few ships, however the victory is really Swedens as he managed to get away with all the Cadiz loot and only lost a handful of ships.
Prussian and Austria were supposed to be fighting but you'll have to check that our because I missed some of that, I'm invading you (nothing personal) and The Austrian's have finally taken over Lombardy with a French withdrawal after some quite heavy fighting.
Anyone else feel free to add anything I missed.

Ok... sounds good, finally some real action! I replied in the warthread, hopely we'll get a good fight going soon.

Btw, do you happen to have a MSN? I'd like discuss some details of the upcoming fight. Mine is joq2@hotmail.com, anyone feeling like it is free to add me.

Yeah that pritty muh it, the swedses may have escaped but they lost a hell of a lot of men doing so.