NationStates Jolt Archive

Overview:
This thread is going to cover the Second Carthaginian Civil War.
Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9762897&postcount=5) is where the whole Civil War deal begins, and this thread will at times refer to events going on in the Antiqua, Medievalis, Orientalis (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445119), as my posts in that thread will sometimes refer to this.

The Setting:
The Federal Union of Carthage is not a very happy place at the moment. For many years, the Suffete, the Grand Duke, the Caliphate, and the Technate have maintained a fragile alliance that keeps their country together. However, the only factions that have shown true fealty to the flag of Carthage are the Grand Duchy and the Suffete, the two factions with the best relationship. On the other end of the spectrum, however, the Technocracy and the Caliphate have a bitter hatred for one another, that lead to the first Carthaginian Civil War, which resulted in Old Carthage being obliterated. There is another "shadow" faction, the Imperialists. Although holding no land and thought to have been wiped out, the Imperialist movement is much more powerful than anyone could possibly suspect. The coming war will certainly shape the future of Carthage, and quite possibly the future of the entire world.

Hannibalia, Sardinia

Councilman Zeke walked briskly down the halls of the Technate Palace. The metal-and-glass dome structure, a show of the magnificence of technology any way you looked at it, was at the center of the Carthaginian city, upon an artifical hill. From it, you could survey the entire city of Hannibalia. Although the city had a certain old-world charm, it was in fact the capital of the most technologically-geared state in the world, with many science facilities. In the city, one could find hundreds of Cloning Laborities, Genetic Modification Labs, Robotics Labs, AI labs, you name the branch of science that was just a science-fiction dream to other peoples, and the Technate had a lab for it. The technate was also responsible for the current Lunar Exploration expedition, including the creation of the worlds most advanced space-craft, the Kart-Hadasht.

The councilman, like all other councilmen, was a man of science. His branch of science was among the more militarist; Weapons Development. Over the years, his branch had developed weapons such as the Orbital Defence Platforms, which had wiped out more than 2 million people. The monolithic "rods" that had been used on Humanity were still littered around the island of Sicily, where they were first used, as a reminder of humanities previous sins. Sins, snorted the councilman in his mind. Nothing but a tool of religion to keep the disobedient masses in line.

As he walked past more fiberglass windows, the councilman noted something out of the corner of his eye. Within seconds, his advanced mind recognized the approaching object. It was a Numidian Cruise Missile/Bunker Buster (manufactured by, of course, the Weapons Development Division). It was roughly 5x as large as a Tomahawk cruise missile, and about 3x as powerful. He quickly spotted another one, and another one, until he saw over 10 of them. "Why haven't the defence systems been activated?" he exclaimed as the people in the building realised the threat heading towards their location. The councilman would have little time to ponder this, however, as within 2 seconds the first of the missiles slammed into the building, followed by the other nine.

The councilman was taken out by the first missile.

Press Release by the Technate
As you are all aware, the city of Hannibalia was attacked early this morning, leaving over 700 people dead and 3,000 wounded, and destroying the Technate Palace. After studying our computers, we have determined that the attack came from a group of missile silo's outside of Medina. This silo's could only launch missiles with direct orders from the Caliph himself. In light of this evidence(which is undeniable; our computers are never wrong), it has become apparent to us that we are no longer welcome in the Federal Carthaginian Union. As of this moment, we declare independence from the F.C.U., and war on the Caliphate.

OOC: Post sucks, I know. But time I something I do not have on the side of mine.

The Elephanti Naval Base in Sassari, Sardinia, was mobilizing. Only very recently established, they might be on their way to combat already. While they would not move unless Carthage acknowleged the state of war, they were ready.

A message was sent to Carthage:
You have long been our allies, and your friendship is among our most treasured. The secession of Hannibalia from your union is most tragic. If you desire, our ships, planes, and men in Sassari to your aid.

There was a chance the Technate could intercept and decode the message, after all, they had recieved communications from the Sultanates many times before.

Also, the consulate in Hannibalia was shut down, only Elephanti citizens would be allowed admittance.

Very Secret IC:

In response to growing fears within the Celtayoshi intelligence community about the stability of TLS, four of its Intelligence Officers were dispatched to the region, there mission was to blend into the country and gather intelligence for three months, before being recalled. These men entered by civil aircraft from an allied country of TLS, having gone through three other airports outside of Celtayoshi en-route.

OOC: TLS, don't worry, they aren't gonig to interfere in any way, but I may use them as a means of getting the plague into Celtayoshi upon their return...

"Sir, it's the Carthaginians!" the man cried out to the Emperor as he ran in the door of the latters office, causing the Imperial Guards to almost reach for their weapons and put him out of his misery. However, the Emperor stopped them with a raised hand.

"What have they done now? Tried to invade us again?"

The Emperor still had the events in then-Cottish Sicily, with the Sons of the Blue Cerscent occupying the city of Marsala and killing more than 100 000 Cottish soldiers. It had been one of his darkest moments, and he didn't want it to happen again. Thankfully the man shook his head.

"No sir, they're not invading. At least not yet. They've started a new civil war there. It's the second civil war down there sir. Our satellites picked up a lot of missiles, Carthaginian in origin hitting the city of Hannibalia in Sicily. They've also gone public and the Technicate, one of their major factions, have declared its intent to ceceede from Carthage. They're blaming the Caliphate. If they start an attack, it might have serious reprecussions against our holdings in Egypt."

"My God..." the Emperor said, then he held up a hand while picking up a phone and pressing a single button.

"This is the Emperor. Defense district Egypt is immedately to go to highest alert condition and use any means available to defend itself should it come under attack. The same goes for all embassies and consulates in the Mediterranian area, and especially the embassy in Neo-Carthage. Thank you."

Then he returned the phone to its cradle and looked at the man, whos identity shall remain secret for the time being.

"Send in a Tiger team. Covertly. Understood? The Carthaginians can't know that they're there. Under no circumstances are they to preform any hostile actions, fire only in self-defense. Understood? Pass them via the embassy. Call it extra security."

"Yes sir. It shall be done." the man said before he bowed and exited, leaving the Emperor to ponder over the events that were unfolding.

OOC: As with Celt, the Tiger team, which are my most elite black ops are sent in merely to get a good picture of the situation. They're merely going to do recon stuff. I intend to keep myself well out of this one...

Celt-If you want them to get the plague, send them through Elephantum. We're allied to TLS, plus we're bearing the biggest portion of the plague deaths (India will be ravaged) Just make a stop in any Elephanti airport on the way back. If someone so much as breathes on them, three days later they'll be covered with buboes.


Hannibalia
The Elephanti consulate in Hannibalia had issued a warning to citizens in the area, encouraging them to return to the consulate for protection, as soon as the missile attack had occurred. They had contacted most of the citizens in the area, although a few were missing and feared dead.

That night, a CH-47 helicopter, loaded with civilians, departed the facility. They would hug the coast, trying to alert Roman and Carthaginian ATC that they were unarmed and carrying no military personnel. They would move to the Elephanti base in Sassari, at the northern end of the island. From there,if the situation did not stabilize, they would take a civilian airliner to Amman International Airport, before being allowed to return to their homes.

{Seven Days Later}

The Carthage Times

WAR!

During the days since the Technate left the F.C.U., the country has further descended into chaos. When the Caliphate left the union soon after, due to the fact that although it said it wasn't guilty of the accused crimes it was still being investigated, the two remaining factions, the Grand Duchy and the Suffete, decided to merge into the Republic of Carthage. By 4 days ago, Cruise Missiles had already been launched at Hannibalia, Neo-Carthage, Medina, and Agra. Now, we have received word that "Mahmoud", the shadowy figure in charge of the Sons of the Blue Crescent (long thought to be dead) has proclaimed himself "Emperor Hannibal IX" and has declared open war upon the Republic, the Caliphate, as well as the Technate. Seizing the city of Zarzis as well as the northern Libyan coast, the Imperialists have already dispelled all thoughts that the SBC was weakened. Although one would expect that the Republic would certainly win the coming war, the mighty Imperial Army (now the Republican Army, for the Imperialists have taken the name Imperial Army) has been split into four pieces. The coming days shall be dark indeed.

OOC: Once again, bad post. However, I just can't concentrate well for some odd reason, and I didn't feel like writing 20 paragraphs for each nation leaving the union.

And here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/WAR.png) is a map of whats going down.

Explanation: Anything dark red is republican, anything that turquoise color belongs to the Technate. Anything green belongs to the Caliphate, and anything blue belongs to the Imperialists.

ooc:who's side is Palau on? And is everyone fighting everyone else, or are some groups at peace with one another.

All Elephanti Citizens were in the process of withdrawing from all cities in what had formerly been the FCU. Elephantum bordered the Technate in Southern India, the Caliphate in Syria, and it was close to Republican India.

A travel ban had been put in place, infuriating some who deisred to make the Hajj. However, for Carthaginians in Elephantum, they were allowed permission to remain until the situation stabilized, even if travel visas would expire.

ooc:who's side is Palau on? And is everyone fighting everyone else, or are some groups at peace with one another.

All Elephanti Citizens were in the process of withdrawing from all cities in what had formerly been the FCU. Elephantum bordered the Technate in Southern India, the Caliphate in Syria, and it was close to Republican India.

A travel ban had been put in place, infuriating some who deisred to make the Hajj. However, for Carthaginians in Elephantum, they were allowed permission to remain until the situation stabilized, even if travel visas would expire.

OOC: The republic, not because they have some great loyalty to democracy or anything, but because the few thousand people who live there just don't really care.

Also, it's a free-for-all. The allied factions are united(which resulted in the Republic)

The Car-Zar Metropolis, the Mediterranean Coast of the Greater Carthage Area

The Car-Zar Metropolis, a giant super-city stretching the Tunisian Eastern Coast that used to have over 500 million inhabitants, had been turned into a battlefield. Fierce urban combat was commonplace, and there were no "borders". Just buildings. Buildings would change hands every few days, and in some cases, two sides occupied the same building but on different floors. Already, over 1 million people were dead, the majority of them civilians trapped in the fighting. Tanks were too large for the rubble-strewn streets of the metropolis, and both sides fought for control of the skies. The mighty Carthaginian Air Force, the pride and joy of the Federal Carthaginian Union, had been split up into 4 groups, as with almost all other branches of the military. Extremely well-trained pilots, in state-of-the-art airplanes, were locked in a stalemate in the skies. The daily death-rate was well over 100,000 , and already there were more than 5 million casualties. However grim this may have seemed to the citizens of the Republic and supporters of the Imperialists, a far-worse fate was to fall upon another faction.

Space, over the city of Hannibalia
Captain Hamzi, commander of the Space-platform Fist of Glory, looked at images of the city below him. The mechanical armies of the Technate were amassing for war. Great machines and futuristic soldiers paraded through the streets as high-tech visual affects saw them off. The wounded city of Hannibalia was down, but not out. Infidels, the lot of them, thought the captain as he looked down below. Unlike the other space-platforms, the Fist of Glory had been claimed in the name of the Caliphate. In his hands, the Captain had the ability to bring half of this civil war to a swift end. It would not be like the last civil war, lasting for years and ruining entire landscapes. Hundreds of millions had died in that last civil war, and the captain would make sure that didn't happen again. The technocrats had won the last war, but this one would belong to the Caliphate.

He walked over to an odd-looking machine with a bunch of buttons and dials on it. After flipping a few switches, and entering a code, a pannel opened and a button appeared. Before he would press the button, he decided to call his crew to the bridge.

When the men arrived, the Captain stepped up to his pedestal and began to speak. "All of you were alive when the last civil war broke out," he began. "You all have memories of loved ones being killed, homes being destroyed, lives being shattered. You all remember the genocides, the fearsome machines, the weapons of mass destruction. With this button, I shall prevent all that. Watch, comrades, as this war comes to a close."

The captain then went to press the button. After the missile launched, the captain looked at the screen. Then he noticed something wrong. The image was still the same, no missile. After a few seconds, the screen went black. Then a giant smiley face came up and the "Chicken Dance" began. Confused, the Captain stared at the screen. Then, with the song still going on, the screen turned back on.

But over a different city.

The bright minarets of Makka gleemed brightly in the sunlight. Then it dawned on the Captain. I have just doomed the Caliphate. Sure enough, the crowds below were trying to flee the city as the giant slugs rushed down towards the city. They would hit with the force of over 10 thermonuclear bombs, and the city would become a crater. Just then, his crew all pulled out assault rifles and pointed them at the captain. They had betrayed him, just like he had inadvertantly betrayed his country.

After 30 seconds, the giant slug hit the city of Makka. Millions died instantly. The holiest city in Islam had been wiped off the map. At the exact same second, over 50 bullets slammed into Captain Hamzi, ending his sad existance.

National Military Command Centre (NMCC), deep below Cotlandstad

The bunker was buried deep somewhere below Cotlandstad, the capital of Cotland, and housed more than 400 people. This was the primary emergency command center in case of a national emergency, and it had uplinks to all commands. Right now, a Sergeant on a computer console monitoring the situation in Carthage detected a massive flash over Mecca. He looked at it for a split second before he understood that it was a nuclear detonation.

"Nuke! Nuclear detonation over the city of Mecca, Carthaginian Caliphate!"

Instantly, the bunker went into a massive flurry, with officers and enlisted running to their posts and shouting various things. The General in charge picked up a black phone, but changed his mind in the last moment and threw the black phone down and picked up the red one instead. It connected him directly to the Imperial Palace, to the office of the Imperial Guards. The line was connected instantly.

"Palace Security."

"This is General Olsen, NMCC. We have a nuclear detonation over Mecca in Carthage, recommend you evac the Emperor immediately. I repeat, nuclear detonation over Mecca. Do you copy?"

The voice was silent for a few seconds, clearly trying to comprehend what the General just said. Then the training took over, and he acknowledged the message before he hung up and pressed a small red button on the wall behind him. That button caused an alarm to go off, and the Imperial Palace was locked down while the 300 soldiers stationed there armed themselves. Ten guards also rushed into the office of the Emperor and half pushed, half dragged him down to the basement and into a secure elevator that would take him down 300 meters and into his private train, which in turn would take him to a safe place.

Meanwhile, in NMCC, the information was starting to pour in. Border forces in Egypt had seen the detonation of the nukes in the distance, and orders had gone out to all Cottish troops and ships in the area around Arabia to go to maximum alert and start wearing NBC-gear. The strategic forces were also at the highest alert ever, with nuclear missiles fuelled and almost ready to go should Cotland come under attack. All they needed was a target, which could be uploaded within a minute, and the authorization from the Emperor.

By now, the yeald of the weapon had been estimated to fifty megatons, and the holiest place in Islam would be unaccessable for the next 30,000 years. The muslims was going to have a horrible day today, and when the fallout started moving, so would the rest of the world.

Nuclear Command, Celtayoshi
The situation in Carthage was fast flying out of control. In Celtayoshi Nuclear Command, the one office no-one like to hear news from they grimly reported a nuclear detenation in Mecca. The city had been destroyed. Several of Celtayoshi's vast satellite monitoring networks had provided numerous pictures of the detenations. An emergancy meeting was called.

Cabinet Office, Celtayoshi
With Celtayoshi interests in the Pacific under attack, and rumours of discontent flying out of every corner of the globe, the Carthage sitatuation had been put on the backburner for a while. Now, however, millions lay dead on the streets, those where the ones who had not been vapourised by the initial blast. Many more would never recover from the horrific injuries they had suffered. The Celtayoshi cabinet met to discuss the situation, and emergancy meeting of the top men in Celtayoshi. They all agreed that with over 150,000 dying daily in Carthage, order would have to be restored. Street by street fighting was breaking out, and intelligence reported that the Federal Government had lost control of numerous areas of TLS.
The question they debated was a question of safety. Wanting to commit 150,000 Peacekeepers to some regions, the Celtayoshi Government was unsure whether they would suffer the same expolsive end as millions had suffered this very day. In the end they agreed that such risks could not be taken. The threat of nuclear attacks was too great to risk Celtayoshi personnel in the region.
However, they did contact their good allies, Cotland, on the possibility of coordinating a force of Cottish-Celtayoshian troops to secure some areas for refugees. It was estimated that the conflict had displaced around 250million people, even in its early stage, mostly in the large cities. A motion passed before parliament also decreed that trade, travel and other activities between The Allied States and the Federal Carthage Union were to cease with immediate affect, it was not known how many Celtayoshi Muslims had perished in Mecca, the government would endevour to find out.

OOC: It wasn't actually a nuke, btw. This is an idea I took from the U.S. Military; launch giant metal slugs at the ground below, with the force much stronger than that of a nuke, but without the radiation.

OOC: Well, we only picked up the nuclear detonation, not the lack of radiation. Anyhoo, you might think that I'm overreacting with evacuating the Emperor and stuff, but it has its (classified) reasons..... Or does it?

OOC: Well, we only picked up the nuclear detonation, not the lack of radiation. Anyhoo, you might think that I'm overreacting with evacuating the Emperor and stuff, but it has its (classified) reasons..... Or does it?

OOC: I dunno. That's up to you, man.

I'll write more now, I just got a brand new game from a friend, and I wanna play it. I'm not a the liberty to say what it is, but here's a hint;

When a person in my family was aged three, I would have fun pretending to be the leader of many different empires.

OOC: I dunno. That's up to you, man.

I'll write more now, I just got a brand new game from a friend, and I wanna play it. I'm not a the liberty to say what it is, but here's a hint;

When a person in my family was aged three, I would have fun pretending to be the leader of many different empires.

LOL we've just lost TLS.

LOL we've just lost TLS.

Not really.

Y'see, I just BARELY have enough RAM, and unfortunatly the game crashes after about 20 minutes because I need more.

I'm going to see if I can salvage 32 megs from my old Dell that just sits there. Prolly won't work, but even if it did those 32 megs wouldn't do much(except for prolly make me not crash when playing the game).

OOC: When I clicked on "Page 2" all the posts showed up. Weird...

Let me know if I have any of the details wrong. I also apologize for the lateness...been busy. This was supposed to be immediate.

IC:

Holy City of Islam Destroyed

MEDINA (RFP)- The Holiest City of Islam stands no more.

Mecca, for centuries the spiritual hub of the Islamic world, was completely levelled in a nuclear-like attack from space. The move comes under a wider scope of degenerating situation in Carthage as the Federal Union disintegrates.

Officials at this time don't know what sparked the attack, but some are saying it came from the "Fist of Glory" spacecraft manned by Captain Hamzi. No one is sure why a Muslim would destroy their own Holy City- let alone the Holiest City in Islam- but some speculate it had something to do with the recently declared independence of Hannibalia.

"This is easily the oddest thing I've ever seen," said Political Science Professor Lucius Cornelius Martius. "It'd be like a Catholic nuking the Vatican." Martius suspects the event was commissioned by Hannibalia in some way, "because that'd be the only justification I could see for something as odd as this."

Roman Union Prefect Gaius Cornelius Marcus said that "the Union is committed to helping the Carthaginians restore order as soon as they can," and will send whatever aid is needed for the citizens of Mecca. "We simply cannot allow this tragedy to go on any further."

------End Article------

Secret IC to Carthage

Whatever aid you need you can get from us. Just tell us what we need to do and we'll do it.

OOC: When I clicked on "Page 2" all the posts showed up. Weird...

Let me know if I have any of the details wrong. I also apologize for the lateness...been busy. This was supposed to be immediate.

IC:

Holy City of Islam Destroyed

MEDINA (RFP)- The Holiest City of Islam stands no more.

Mecca, for centuries the spiritual hub of the Islamic world, was completely levelled in a nuclear-like attack from space. The move comes under a wider scope of degenerating situation in Carthage as the Federal Union disintegrates.

Officials at this time don't know what sparked the attack, but some are saying it came from the "Fist of Glory" spacecraft manned by Captain Hamzi. No one is sure why a Muslim would destroy their own Holy City- let alone the Holiest City in Islam- but some speculate it had something to do with the recently declared independence of Hannibalia.

"This is easily the oddest thing I've ever seen," said Political Science Professor Lucius Cornelius Martius. "It'd be like a Catholic nuking the Vatican." Martius suspects the event was commissioned by Hannibalia in some way, "because that'd be the only justification I could see for something as odd as this."

Roman Union Prefect Gaius Cornelius Marcus said that "the Union is committed to helping the Carthaginians restore order as soon as they can," and will send whatever aid is needed for the citizens of Mecca. "We simply cannot allow this tragedy to go on any further."

------End Article------

Secret IC to Carthage

Whatever aid you need you can get from us. Just tell us what we need to do and we'll do it.


OOC: Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Although I'm not exactly sure how a Roman Newspaper got hold of top-secret military intelligence(the only thing the public knows is that there are space stations; they don't know how many, what their names are, how large the are, or who's in charge of 'em.

And I assume your message is to the Republic?
IC:

Reply:
These are dark times indeed, and we desperatly need assistance. Although for now the Technate has its hands tied trying to wipe-out the Caliphate, they control the Mediterranean, including Southern Italy, Sicily, and Hannibalia, which may not be good for you. Also, the Imperialists have conquered the Libyan Coast, and have us Pinned down. Thankfully though, our Indian Territories are safe. However, our forces in Africa are severly weakened, and our forces have been reduced to only 400,000 men, and at this rate we'll be wiped out in a week.

OOC: Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Although I'm not exactly sure how a Roman Newspaper got hold of top-secret military intelligence(the only thing the public knows is that there are space stations; they don't know how many, what their names are, how large the are, or who's in charge of 'em.

And I assume your message is to the Republic?
IC:

Reply:
These are dark times indeed, and we desperatly need assistance. Although for now the Technate has its hands tied trying to wipe-out the Caliphate, they control the Mediterranean, including Southern Italy, Sicily, and Hannibalia, which may not be good for you. Also, the Imperialists have conquered the Libyan Coast, and have us Pinned down. Thankfully though, our Indian Territories are safe. However, our forces in Africa are severly weakened, and our forces have been reduced to only 400,000 men, and at this rate we'll be wiped out in a week.

OOC: Well, I figured that Carthaginian officials in Medina would divulge information following the event if only because the public would demand answers. Should I leave it or take it out?

...and yes, the message was for the Republic. I'll make an IC response later...don't have time for it now.

Notice to the World

As a direct result of the Second Carthaginian Civil War, the Cottish holding of Malta has gone to maximum alert, and will fire at any violating vessels or aircraft who violate out territorial waters without informing us first. This applies especially to the warring Carthaginian factions, but also anyone else (with the exception of our October Alliance allies).

- Imperial Ministry of Foreign Affairs
- Imperial Ministry of Defense

War Withm the Technate!
Islam, the most widespread religion in the nation, has been dealt a devastating blow. The holiest site in the Muslim world, annihilated. At least 1,000 Elephantis were in the city at the time, the desire to carry out the hajj greater than their desire for safety. The massacre of citizens was nothing compared to the destruction of the holy city. The Elephanti Foriegn relations department declared war on the Technate the morning after the attack. Anything they could do to help the Caliphate would be provided. Messages were sent to the Caliphate and the Republic, urging them to put aside their differences and work together to defeat their common enemies.

Elephanti Emergency response forces of rescue workers, paramedics, and machinery, were prepared to move into Mecca to help search for survivors or bodies, as the case may be.

The Foreign Relations Department has lifted the travel ban with the Caliphate, and offered to do the same with the Republic in exchange for cooperation. However, the Technate finds itself under a Flag Act.



(ooc: has the map changed? Also, I'm only asking about Palau because the Rebels on Koror may decide to "liberate" their neighbors)

War Withm the Technate!
Islam, the most widespread religion in the nation, has been dealt a devastating blow. The holiest site in the Muslim world, annihilated. At least 1,000 Elephantis were in the city at the time, the desire to carry out the hajj greater than their desire for safety. The massacre of citizens was nothing compared to the destruction of the holy city. The Elephanti Foriegn relations department declared war on the Technate the morning after the attack. Anything they could do to help the Caliphate would be provided. Messages were sent to the Caliphate and the Republic, urging them to put aside their differences and work together to defeat their common enemies.

Elephanti Emergency response forces of rescue workers, paramedics, and machinery, were prepared to move into Mecca to help search for survivors or bodies, as the case may be.

The Foreign Relations Department has lifted the travel ban with the Caliphate, and offered to do the same with the Republic in exchange for cooperation. However, the Technate finds itself under a Flag Act.



(ooc: has the map changed? Also, I'm only asking about Palau because the Rebels on Koror may decide to "liberate" their neighbors)

OOC: I'll updatify the map later.

But Palau is still part of the Republic.

OOC: I'll updatify the map later.

But Palau is still part of the Republic.
The rebels dont care, they'll attack no matter who owns it.

(ooc:Any attack by Koror rebels will be posted in the Koror revolts thread, but I'll leave a little note here)

Desperately trying to bring about an end to the fighting, the Elephanti Foriegn Relations Department sent messages to the two factions that they believed had legitimate claims to power, the Republic and the Caliphate.

Message Sent to Both Factions

This bloodshed must stop. The desecration of Mecca, horrible as it was, will not be the worst conflict this war will see. If it is not stopped, uncounted millions will die. A compromise must be made. We would beg of you to send a delegation to Tehran for a meeting discussing plans both during and after the war. We will, if neccessary, intervene in this matter, as it affects not only your citizens, but those around them, as well as every Muslim on the face of this Earth.

(ooc:Any attack by Koror rebels will be posted in the Koror revolts thread, but I'll leave a little note here)

Desperately trying to bring about an end to the fighting, the Elephanti Foriegn Relations Department sent messages to the two factions that they believed had legitimate claims to power, the Republic and the Caliphate.

Message Sent to Both Factions

This bloodshed must stop. The desecration of Mecca, horrible as it was, will not be the worst conflict this war will see. If it is not stopped, uncounted millions will die. A compromise must be made. We would beg of you to send a delegation to Tehran for a meeting discussing plans both during and after the war. We will, if neccessary, intervene in this matter, as it affects not only your citizens, but those around them, as well as every Muslim on the face of this Earth.

(OOC: This is gonna be short, 'cuz I gotta sleepz0rz).

Offical Reply by the Republic

We agree that peace is needed, but we are in no position to demand peace from our current enemies. Although we are not at war with the Caliphate(OOC: The war situation is this: Caliphate is at war with Technate, Technate at war with Caliphate and Republic, and Imperialists at war with Republic. Of course, they can declare peace and war upon the other factions, but this is the current lay-out), the Imperialists have us, to be frank, on the run. Our forces have been forced to fall-back to Neo-Carthage, and all of Libya, as well as most of the Car-Zar Metropolis, is now under the control of the Imperialist Rebels. We are not fighting respectable enemies; these are zealous terrorists who will not stop their war until every last remnant of the Republic is destroyed.

Neo-Carthage

The city of Neo-Carthage was under siege, and things were not looking well for the defenders. The forces of the Empire of Carthage had swept through the Libyan desert, and a secret pact between the Imperialists and the Technate lead to the annihilation of three out of the four Armies of the Republic in Greater Carthage. The stalemate in the Car-Zar Metropolis had been broken, due to the fact that the Technate forces had made a surprise push and had taken the Republican forces by surprise, and had wiped them out. Only the forces of Neo-Carthage survived, and they were besieged by more than 5 times their number. Although the city was well defended, with many defence guns, SAM sites, and a ring of bunkers and trenches surrounding the city, it was only the Republican Airforce that kept the city from falling. Deep in underground corridors of the Citadel of Old Carthage, President (formerly Grand Duke) Alphonse looked over the situation.

"Sir, we estimate that at this rate the city will be breached within 20 hours, due to the fact that their human-wave attacks have already wiped out three of the four rings of trenches. Once the last ring is destroyed, the city will be overwhelmed by 5x our number," said one the Chiefs of Staff to the President. For over 5 years, Alphonse of Zarzis had ruled Carthage, and had brought it from the brink of ruin to the superpower it was until just a few weeks ago. Now, all his work had been ruined, and once again the city of Neo-Carthage would be lost.

After many minutes of deep thought, the president gave his orders. "I want every man, woman, and child over 16 capable of bearing arms to be issued weapons. Put them in defence of the inner city, and send 9/10ths of the regular forces to the trenches. During this time, plant bombs all around the city. Once the trenches are breached, the partisans will be tasked with luring the enemy forces into areas that are laden with bombs. Once a large number of forces is forced into those areas, blow them, and have the Partisans kill the survivors of the blasts. Inform the partisans that they are fighting for their lives, for the Imperialists have shown already that they will show no quarter to our forces." As the generals scurried around following the Presidents orders, Alphonse looked at the video-screen that showed the trenches. Vast amounts of bodies were strewn across the areas, the ground was full of pocket-holes, and he could hear the dying screams of the defenders. The President then got up from his chair, quietly moved to an empty room, and began to weep.

The Appenines, outside of Rome

The Roman Avis watched the events in Carthage and contemplated an invasion for a while. They weren't going to let a bunch of rag-tag terrorists establish a tyranny in one of the few democracies still standing on Earth II.

For a while, the Carthaginians did not seem like they needed Roman help, but the images on the screen told a different story. By most estimates, thought Aquila Princeps Septimus Marcus Treveri of the 1st Roman Legion, Carthage would fall within the hour, so he had to ask fast.

He then ordered 100 Fulmini Class bombers to Carthage, informing the Carthaginians (through a secret transmission) that they would be there to assist the Republic, and would bomb the Techate forces upon arrival. They also put the Sardinian forces on the highest alert, with the intentions of launching an invasion later in the week.

"Let's hope this works," said Treveri to himself.

The Appenines, outside of Rome

The Roman Avis watched the events in Carthage and contemplated an invasion for a while. They weren't going to let a bunch of rag-tag terrorists establish a tyranny in one of the few democracies still standing on Earth II.

For a while, the Carthaginians did not seem like they needed Roman help, but the images on the screen told a different story. By most estimates, thought Aquila Princeps Septimus Marcus Treveri of the 1st Roman Legion, Carthage would fall within the hour, so he had to ask fast.

He then ordered 100 Fulmini Class bombers to Carthage, informing the Carthaginians (through a secret transmission) that they would be there to assist the Republic, and would bomb the Techate forces upon arrival. They also put the Sardinian forces on the highest alert, with the intentions of launching an invasion later in the week.

"Let's hope this works," said Treveri to himself.

OOC: Weeee! This is much good.

However, remember that the Technate has large armies in Southern Italy, on Sicily, and Hannibalia has very advanced defence systems.

OOC: Yeah, but I have the element of surprise, plus I can easily surround Hannibalia with my navy.

OOC: Yeah, but I have the element of surprise, plus I can easily surround Hannibalia with my navy.

OOC: True.

And then the Technate will invade Central and Northern Italy.

OOC: True.

And then the Technate will invade Central and Northern Italy.

How big's that Army and does it have an Air Force? Also, I hope to leave nukes out of this.

How big's that Army and does it have an Air Force? Also, I hope to leave nukes out of this.

Who sayeth anything ab00t nukes, ehhhh?

I'll get on writing the stats for the force in Southern Italy later.

Who sayeth anything ab00t nukes, ehhhh?

Just clarifying.

OOC: Mind if I send aid to the anti-democratic side? The Imperialists, to be more precise. Or possibly any side that is in favor of collapsing the current government? If you don't want me involved, let me know. Don't worry, I'm not going to go into full-scale war mode.

The Reich is still pretty irritated that Carthage threatened to invade Germania if its demands concerning Poland weren't met. ;)

Anyway, if you don't want me to get involved, I'll delete this post.

Also, TLS, do you have a map of where each side is located?

IC:

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Vienna, Austria...

Reichskanzler Kübler had been reviewing updates on the Second Carthaginian Civil War for the past few hours, and had learned through intelligence sources and assets of the Fourth Reich that if indeed Germania were to become involved, that it would be in Kübler's best interest to support either the Technate or the Imperialists. After all, he was still infuriated at Carthage's blatant interference with the rebellion in Poland and wanted the current dissolved, violently if necessary.

Now in Vienna, known to the government as the 'Heart of Intelligence' - where almost all knowledge on world events was gathered through a network of satellite stations, super-computers, spy bases, and certain areas where individuals or groups of foreign nations with important information could be hired by the government for a pretty penny - the Chancellor was speaking with his top military advisors: Reichsgeneral Heinz Weidling, OS-Reichsführer Klaus Altmann, Reichsadmiral Reinhardt König, and Reichsmarschall Hermann-Ritter von Ostberg, as well as a number of political advisors and second-in-command of the Fourth Reich, Politischgeneral Josef Moenchs.

They were discussing, if the Reich were to support a side in the war, which side to support, how to actively support them, and why.

Reichsgeneral Weidling: "Herr Reichskanzler, as Kommandant of das Heer, it is my opinion that we support a side which already has influence, and more importantly, land within Carthage itself -- the Technate. Strategically, it would be best to support a side with land in Italy. The physical aspects of supporting them with an army, or hardware, would be much less daunting than if we were to support a group located in one of Carthage's territories."

OS-Reichsführer Altmann: "Isn't that rather obvious though, Herr Weidling? However, the need to support a group that already has land isn't necessary. The OS can easily 'influence' an area without the landholders welcoming us with open arms.

Herr Reichskanzler, the Imperialists, though we have little information on them, best reflect the ideologies of the Reich. Why not allow Carthage to expand through muslce rather than petty diplomatic bickering? Indeed, their current decadent democracy would tremble at the hands of Carthaginian Imperialists supported by the Reich.

Carthage deserves to crumble..."

Politischgeneral Moenchs: "That is no reason for supporting a faction. We are choosing a side because the current government is a threat to the Reich."

OS-Reichsführer Altmann: "Only the Volksdeutsche deserve to occupy the lands of Carthage. We are the only ones whose culture is strong enough to govern it."

Reichskanzler Kübler: "That is radical. However, I do agree that supporting the Imperialists is our best option, though I do not concur that we should rule out the possibility of supporting the Technate out-right.

Moving in with guns blazing is a bit too forceful at this point-in-time, Herr Altmann. Showing support for the Technate, moving soldiers into Italy, all while informing the Imperialists that we will support them once we are in position to strike would put us in the best position to strike."

Politischgeneral Moenchs: "The Reichskanzler is correct as usual. You are both correct in your thinking, but both wrong. Let the Technate think we support them. Wouldn't that allow us to move quite freely?"

Reichsmarschall von Ostberg: "Herr Reichskanzler, the Fallschirmjäger, as part of the Luftwaffe, is always on alert and would be a powerful and extremely effective and efficient tool for this type of warfare.

But do you agree, Herr Reichskanzler, that the Luftwaffe in this situation would not need to launch immediate airstrikes?"

Reichskanzler Kübler: "Ja. However, they must be prepared to be in the air within a minute's notice. That means stationing aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean. Herr Reichsadmiral?"

Reichsadmiral König: "Herr Reichskanzler, the Reichsmarine has two fleets in Southern France, one in Southeastern Spain, and one in Western Portugal which could be put to sea within four or five days' notice. As you know, Herr Reichskanzler, each fleet is accompanied by one aircraft carrier.

However, I believe that putting together a fleet custom-built for the situation would be much more appropriate. That would include more than the usual number of transport and landing craft."

Reichsmarschall von Ostberg: "Herr Reichskanzler, the Luftwaffe can provide all the transport planes and helicopters necessary. Even planes small enough to be placed on aircraft carriers."

Reichskanzler Kübler: "I am pleased we have come to a concensus. Let's get a message to the Technate and an encoded one to the Imperialists."

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- Encryption: Maximum -

Message To: The Technate; Carthage
Message From: Reichskanzler Heydrich Kübler
Subject: Support

"I am offering monetary and some military support for your movement against the current Carthaginian government. If you are interested, you will be able to contact me."

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- Encryption: Maximum Codeframe -

Message To: Imperial Carthage
Message From: Reichskanzler Heydrich Kübler
Subject: Our Support

"The support of the Germanian military is being offered to you. We believe your

cause to best represent how Carthage should be run, and are offering

military, intelligence, monetary, and other forms of assistance

for your struggle to power.

If you are interested in the support of the Fourth Reich and all of its assets,

you will be able to contact me. I look forward to hearing from you and giving

you the details of our possible arrangement."

_____________________________________

OOC: TLS, this is all occuring in Italy, correct? Or at least some of it?

OOC: Mind if I send aid to the anti-democratic side? The Imperialists, to be more precise. Or possibly any side that is in favor of collapsing the current government? If you don't want me involved, let me know. Don't worry, I'm not going to go into full-scale war mode.

The Reich is still pretty irritated that Carthage threatened to invade Germania if its demands concerning Poland weren't met. ;)

Anyway, if you don't want me to get involved, I'll delete this post.

Also, TLS, do you have a map of where each side is located?

IC:

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Vienna, Austria...

Reichskanzler Kübler had been reviewing updates on the Second Carthaginian Civil War for the past few hours, and had learned through intelligence sources and assets of the Fourth Reich that if indeed Germania were to become involved, that it would be in Kübler's best interest to support either the Technate or the Imperialists. After all, he was still infuriated at Carthage's blatant interference with the rebellion in Poland and wanted the current dissolved, violently if necessary.

Now in Vienna, known to the government as the 'Heart of Intelligence' - where almost all knowledge on world events was gathered through a network of satellite stations, super-computers, spy bases, and certain areas where individuals or groups of foreign nations with important information could be hired by the government for a pretty penny - the Chancellor was speaking with his top military advisors: Reichsgeneral Heinz Weidling, OS-Reichsführer Klaus Altmann, Reichsadmiral Reinhardt König, and Reichsmarschall Hermann-Ritter von Ostberg, as well as a number of political advisors and second-in-command of the Fourth Reich, Politischgeneral Josef Moenchs.

They were discussing, if the Reich were to support a side in the war, which side to support, how to actively support them, and why.

Reichsgeneral Weidling: "Herr Reichskanzler, as Kommandant of das Heer, it is my opinion that we support a side which already has influence, and more importantly, land within Carthage itself -- the Technate. Strategically, it would be best to support a side with land in Italy. The physical aspects of supporting them with an army, or hardware, would be much less daunting than if we were to support a group located in one of Carthage's territories."

OS-Reichsführer Altmann: "Isn't that rather obvious though, Herr Weidling? However, the need to support a group that already has land isn't necessary. The OS can easily 'influence' an area without the landholders welcoming us with open arms.

Herr Reichskanzler, the Imperialists, though we have little information on them, best reflect the ideologies of the Reich. Why not allow Carthage to expand through muslce rather than petty diplomatic bickering? Indeed, their current decadent democracy would tremble at the hands of Carthaginian Imperialists supported by the Reich.

Carthage deserves to crumble..."

Politischgeneral Moenchs: "That is no reason for supporting a faction. We are choosing a side because the current government is a threat to the Reich."

OS-Reichsführer Altmann: "Only the Volksdeutsche deserve to occupy the lands of Carthage. We are the only ones whose culture is strong enough to govern it."

Reichskanzler Kübler: "That is radical. However, I do agree that supporting the Imperialists is our best option, though I do not concur that we should rule out the possibility of supporting the Technate out-right.

Moving in with guns blazing is a bit too forceful at this point-in-time, Herr Altmann. Showing support for the Technate, moving soldiers into Italy, all while informing the Imperialists that we will support them once we are in position to strike would put us in the best position to strike."

Politischgeneral Moenchs: "The Reichskanzler is correct as usual. You are both correct in your thinking, but both wrong. Let the Technate think we support them. Wouldn't that allow us to move quite freely?"

Reichsmarschall von Ostberg: "Herr Reichskanzler, the Fallschirmjäger, as part of the Luftwaffe, is always on alert and would be a powerful and extremely effective and efficient tool for this type of warfare.

But do you agree, Herr Reichskanzler, that the Luftwaffe in this situation would not need to launch immediate airstrikes?"

Reichskanzler Kübler: "Ja. However, they must be prepared to be in the air within a minute's notice. That means stationing aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean. Herr Reichsadmiral?"

Reichsadmiral König: "Herr Reichskanzler, the Reichsmarine has two fleets in Southern France, one in Southeastern Spain, and one in Western Portugal which could be put to sea within four or five days' notice. As you know, Herr Reichskanzler, each fleet is accompanied by one aircraft carrier.

However, I believe that putting together a fleet custom-built for the situation would be much more appropriate. That would include more than the usual number of transport and landing craft."

Reichsmarschall von Ostberg: "Herr Reichskanzler, the Luftwaffe can provide all the transport planes and helicopters necessary. Even planes small enough to be placed on aircraft carriers."

Reichskanzler Kübler: "I am pleased we have come to a concensus. Let's get a message to the Technate and an encoded one to the Imperialists."

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- Encryption: Maximum -

Message To: The Technate; Carthage
Message From: Reichskanzler Heydrich Kübler
Subject: Support

"I am offering monetary and some military support for your movement against the current Carthaginian government. If you are interested, you will be able to contact me."

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- Encryption: Maximum Codeframe -

Message To: Imperial Carthage
Message From: Reichskanzler Heydrich Kübler
Subject: Our Support

"The support of the Germanian military is being offered to you. We believe your

cause to best represent how Carthage should be run, and are offering

military, intelligence, monetary, and other forms of assistance

for your struggle to power.

If you are interested in the support of the Fourth Reich and all of its assets,

you will be able to contact me. I look forward to hearing from you and giving

you the details of our possible arrangement."

_____________________________________

OOC: TLS, this is all occuring in Italy, correct? Or at least some of it?


OOC: I don't mind at all there, NG. I figured you'd want to see the Republic go bye-bye!

Here be the things with the two factions you are considering siding with, however:

The Imperialists, idealogically, are closer to you than the technate. However, it is their belief that the world is split into three parts; Civilized Peoples, Semi-Barbaric Peoples, and Outright Barbarians. According to mainstream Imperialist Belief, only Carthage can be considered Civilized, but a large amount of people believe that Greece, Elephantum, and Rome could both be considered Civilized (although stating the later in public would lead to very nasty reprecussions).

The Semi-Barbaric peoples are nations that are technologically equal, a bit less advanced, or in a few cases a bit more advanced in certain areas, but don't have the "qualities" of the civilized nations. Nations that go here are you, Greece, Elephantum, and Rome (in mainstream belief), Layarteb, Cotland, Hawdawg, Psychotika, Celtayoshi, and pretty much every other nation in the world.

There are no more Outright Barbarians left in the world, but some historical examples of nations that no longer exist are the Generic Empire, the Parthian Empire, and Magdha (those three nations wiped me out of the original EII). They are grouped as outright Barbarians because they brought down the original empire, and (mostly) followed Paganistic practices (I can't remember if GE did, but I think he didn't.) If the Imperialists take power, then the population of Zoroastrians in Carthaginian Territory (which number around 20 million), as well as the Hindus (when number in the hundreds of millions) are going to see some rough times, seeing how they are shown as remnants of the "evil" empires.

I just wrote these three paragraphs to show where you fit in. The Imperialists have no quarrel with siding with Semi-Barbarians during times of war (with the exception of Rome), but during peace things might change. Unless you really provide alot of help, you might just have a lukewarm relationship with the Empire (which could turn VERY cold if the Empire decides to gain-back its Spanish Territories, although it could be solved peacefully by a trade of some sort.)

Now on to the Technate:

Although the Technate did send soldiers to try and provoke a rebellion in Poland (which, by the way, we need to finish), it was more to bring Carthage into a war that would cause the Central Government to collapse so that it could control the nation than to free the Poles (although plenty of people do have sympathy for the Polish plight, they would accept a Germanian offer of asistance near automatically). Also, the Technate would have to quarrel with North Germania, seeing how it judges nations by technological power, not by "civilization", and you are deffinetly deemed worthy by Technocrats. They also would not want to conquer Spain (although they WOULD like to conquer Sardinia, but that isn't under yer control, so you needent worry, UNLESS you would like to send some support for an invasion).

And in response to yer second OOC, it's taking place over the ENTIRE Carthaginian Empire, although there is no fighting over in the Eastern Empire, since it's basically all controlled by the Suffete, which is part of the Republic, and the tiny technate stronghold of Sri Lanka is too heavily fortified to be attacked directly.

Map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/WAR2.png)
Blue-green color: Technate
Dark Red: Republic
Blue: Imperialists
Green: Caliphate

As you guys may have noticed, this map is a wee bit different(international border-wise) than the last one. This is because I did a bit of comparing to maps, and found that the Italy borders were a bit too south and Hannibalia was too westward. Also, notice that only Neo-Carthage remains under Republican control, and that the Technate and the Imperialists have split Tunisia. Also, Syria has fallen to the Technate.

IC:

Encrypted Reply from the Empire of Carthage

We will gladly accept your military support. Although we have nearly wiped the stain of the Republic off the map of Africa, they control nearly the entire Eastern Empire, where we cannot reach them. We will also need your military support, for as you know, alliances are...fickle things.

- Encryption: Maximum -
Message To: Empire of Carthage
Message From: Reichskanzler Kübler
Subject: Support

"Very well. It is good to hear you have accepted our offer of assistance. As our intelligence assets tell us, you occupy the territories of Libya and Tunisia.

The following will be sent to Tunis, Tunisia for use by your soldiers:

60.000x STG-36 7.62 x 57mm Sturmgewehr Assault Rifle [800 rounds for each rifle]

45.000x FJ-4/16 6.56 x 49mm Fallschirmjäger STR (Special Tactics Rifle) [800 rounds for each STR]

15.500x MG-22 9.5 x 62mm Eisenwand Machine Gun [2.000 rounds for each MG]

20.800x GMG-24 7.9 x 51mm Gruppe Light Machine Gun [2.000 rounds for each GMG]

180x Panzer-IX 'Feder' Light Battle Tank [One 125mm cannon; one 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; two 7.62 x 81mm machine guns; twelve smoke grenade launchers; one 90mm self-loading mortar; amphibious up to five feet; air-droppable; R-19 Armor Compound; Crew: Five]

100x Panzer-X 'Stahlfaust' Multi-Purpose Battle Vehicle [Four 88mm main guns; one 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; two 7.62 x 81mm machine guns; twelve smoke grenade launchers; amphibious; R-19 Armor Compound; Crew: Three]

100x Panzer-XI MBT [One 140mm cannon; one 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; one 7.62 x 81mm machine gun; twelve smoke grenade launchers; amphibious up to five feet; R-19 Armor Compound; one 105mm self-loading mortar; Crew: Five]

350x AGAT-7 'Bergnetz' AAAV [One 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; one 7.62 x 81mm machine gun; one 105mm self-loading mortar; one 90mm self-loading mortar; one Kormoran-V GPS- and Laser-Guided rocket launcher; twelve smoke grenade launchers; amphibious; air-droppable; R-19 Armor Compound; 8-wheeled; total troop-carrying capacity: twelve; Crew: Five]

500x AGAT-12 APC [Two 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine guns; amphibious up to three feet; air-droppable; six-wheeled; R-16 Armor Compound; total troop carrying capacity: six; Crew: Three]

80x FkT-96 Self-Propelled Missile Launcher [One 210mm missile; GPS or Realtime-Laser Guidance Targeting System; Self-loading; R-13 Armor Compound; Range: 1.5km - 90km; Crew: Three]

120x AT-13 Self-Propelled Artillery [One 195mm cannon; Laser Guidance Targeting System; Thermal Imagery Targeting; R-16 Armor Compound; Range: 45m - 55km; Crew: Three]

150x AS-19 Howitzer [One 160mm cannon]

The following troops will be sent to Tripoli, Libya:

9th Panzer Corps [350 Armored Vehicles]

134th Panzer Battalion [50 Armored Vehicles]

37th OS-Panzer Battalion [80 Armored Vehicles]

15th Artillerie Corps [250 Artillery Systems]

209th Artillerie Battellion [50 Artillery Systems]

52nd Reichswehr Corps [100.000 Soldiers]

119th Reichswehr Battalion [20.000 Soldiers]

92nd Reichswehr Battalion [21.000 Soldiers]

23rd Waffen-OS Corps [60.000 Soldiers]

45th Waffen-OS Battalion [5.000 Soldiers]

21st Waffen-OS Battalion [6.500 Soldiers]

8th Waffen-OS Brigade [1.500 Soldiers]

5th Schwarzenjäger Regiment [650 Soldiers]

19th Schwarzenjäger Battalion [75 Soldiers]

59th Fallschirmjäger Regiment [10.000 Soldiers]

109th Fallschirmjäger Battalion [2.000 Soldiers]

44th Luftwaffe Division [210 Aircraft]

111th Luftwaffe Regiment [80 Aircraft]

63rd Luftwaffe Battalion [35 Aircraft]

"Your soldiers will be trained on how to use the weapons and weapon systems sent to Tunis, Tunisia by the 314th Waffen-OS Company.

The units sent to Tripoli, Libya constitute the 9th and 32nd Armies of the Reich. I assume you have room to house the aircraft of the Luftwaffe. If not, less will be sent than the number listed.

If any assistance by the Reichsmarine (Navy) is requested, it shall be granted. In addition to what is being sent, I am wiring a total of 500 billion Reichsmarks to the Empire of Carthage.

I hope these assets will help cripple the Republic, and place the Empire in its place."

- Encryption: Maximum -
Message To: Empire of Carthage
Message From: Reichskanzler Kübler
Subject: Support

"Very well. It is good to hear you have accepted our offer of assistance. As our intelligence assets tell us, you occupy the territories of Libya and Tunisia.

The following will be sent to Tunis, Tunisia for use by your soldiers:

60.000x STG-36 7.62 x 57mm Sturmgewehr Assault Rifle [800 rounds for each rifle]

45.000x FJ-4/16 6.56 x 49mm Fallschirmjäger STR (Special Tactics Rifle) [800 rounds for each STR]

15.500x MG-22 9.5 x 62mm Eisenwand Machine Gun [2.000 rounds for each MG]

20.800x GMG-24 7.9 x 51mm Gruppe Light Machine Gun [2.000 rounds for each GMG]

180x Panzer-IX 'Feder' Light Battle Tank [One 125mm cannon; one 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; two 7.62 x 81mm machine guns; twelve smoke grenade launchers; one 90mm self-loading mortar; amphibious up to five feet; air-droppable; R-19 Armor Compound; Crew: Five]

100x Panzer-X 'Stahlfaust' Multi-Purpose Battle Vehicle [Four 88mm main guns; one 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; two 7.62 x 81mm machine guns; twelve smoke grenade launchers; amphibious; R-19 Armor Compound; Crew: Three]

100x Panzer-XI MBT [One 140mm cannon; one 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; one 7.62 x 81mm machine gun; twelve smoke grenade launchers; amphibious up to five feet; R-19 Armor Compound; one 105mm self-loading mortar; Crew: Five]

350x AGAT-7 'Bergnetz' AAAV [One 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine gun; one 7.62 x 81mm machine gun; one 105mm self-loading mortar; one 90mm self-loading mortar; one Kormoran-V GPS- and Laser-Guided rocket launcher; twelve smoke grenade launchers; amphibious; air-droppable; R-19 Armor Compound; 8-wheeled; total troop-carrying capacity: twelve; Crew: Five]

500x AGAT-12 APC [Two 14.5 x 95mm heavy machine guns; amphibious up to three feet; air-droppable; six-wheeled; R-16 Armor Compound; total troop carrying capacity: six; Crew: Three]

80x FkT-96 Self-Propelled Missile Launcher [One 210mm missile; GPS or Realtime-Laser Guidance Targeting System; Self-loading; R-13 Armor Compound; Range: 1.5km - 90km; Crew: Three]

120x AT-13 Self-Propelled Artillery [One 195mm cannon; Laser Guidance Targeting System; Thermal Imagery Targeting; R-16 Armor Compound; Range: 45m - 55km; Crew: Three]

150x AS-19 Howitzer [One 160mm cannon]

The following troops will be sent to Tripoli, Libya:

9th Panzer Corps [350 Armored Vehicles]

134th Panzer Battalion [50 Armored Vehicles]

37th OS-Panzer Battalion [80 Armored Vehicles]

15th Artillerie Corps [250 Artillery Systems]

209th Artillerie Battellion [50 Artillery Systems]

52nd Reichswehr Corps [100.000 Soldiers]

119th Reichswehr Battalion [20.000 Soldiers]

92nd Reichswehr Battalion [21.000 Soldiers]

23rd Waffen-OS Corps [60.000 Soldiers]

45th Waffen-OS Battalion [5.000 Soldiers]

21st Waffen-OS Battalion [6.500 Soldiers]

8th Waffen-OS Brigade [1.500 Soldiers]

5th Schwarzenjäger Regiment [650 Soldiers]

19th Schwarzenjäger Battalion [75 Soldiers]

59th Fallschirmjäger Regiment [10.000 Soldiers]

109th Fallschirmjäger Battalion [2.000 Soldiers]

44th Luftwaffe Division [210 Aircraft]

111th Luftwaffe Regiment [80 Aircraft]

63rd Luftwaffe Battalion [35 Aircraft]

"Your soldiers will be trained on how to use the weapons and weapon systems sent to Tunis, Tunisia by the 314th Waffen-OS Company.

The units sent to Tripoli, Libya constitute the 9th and 32nd Armies of the Reich. I assume you have room to house the aircraft of the Luftwaffe. If not, less will be sent than the number listed.

If any assistance by the Reichsmarine (Navy) is requested, it shall be granted. In addition to what is being sent, I am wiring a total of 500 billion Reichsmarks to the Empire of Carthage.

I hope these assets will help cripple the Republic, and place the Empire in its place."


Encrypted Reply from the Empire:

We are very grateful that you have sent so much to help us in our struggle against the inept and pitiful Republic. However, although with this help we shall certainly take Carthage very soon, there are nearly 1.5 billion people that pledge alleigance to the Republic in the Eastern Empire, and we have no way to attack them. However, we see that you share vast borders with them. After we take Carthage, we will need a way to attack, and we hope you can help us there.

Sassari, Sardinia

Already preparing to launch a surprise attack on Hannibalia, everything at the Elephanti Base was on high alert. When they detected the massive group Roman bombers, and decided that another ally was entering the mix, they sent word to the Embassy in Rome, as well as to all three military command headquarters (Manama, Madras, Riyadh)

Rome

Upon hearing the news, Abd el-Rahman, embassador to Rome, rushed out of the embassy. Weaving through the streets, his limousine needed to get to the (ooc: not sure what you refer to your Royal Palace building as). He needed to work out a plan with the Romans. Hannibalia would not fall easily, and t would be a costly battle.

(ooc: I plan to send nearly all forces under MEDCOM (Mediterranean command, only really consists of the Sassari base), into battle in Hannibalia. Win or lose, they will be nearly wiped out. Any surviving elements will help in Sicily (which should have some Elephanti partisans) and Italy.

Various bases in Iraq, Jordan, and Kurdistan

Military preparations were underway throughout all three Sultanates. As soon as the attack on Sassari began, they would attack Syria. A similar plan was underway in India.

Madras, Sultanate of Southern India

Despite the plague ravaging the Sultanate, the Indians still planned to attack their opponents in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. The third prong of the triple attack would be a massive air, naval, and land assault on the small Technate area in Tamil Nadu, followed by airdrops and amphibious assaults on Sri Lanka.

Already, several large groups of plague victims (6,000 total) , determined to help their country, even in death, were approaching the Technate's border. They would beg for admittance as refugees. If they made it in, they would try to spread the disease and fight the technate.

Koror, Palau

Seeing an opportunity, the rebels on the island of Koror sent a message to the Technate.

Greetings fellow opponents of imperialistic conquerors,

We would like to offer you assistance in your battle against the horrible despots who claim to rule in the name of Carthage. In exchange for weaponry, we will attack Republican Palau, and enable you to use Eternal Freedom Military Base to help conduct your operations.

OOC: about the Tehran conference

Perhaps a representative from the Caliphate, and one from the Republic, would go to Tehran for the conference, which would hopefully be along the lines of the WWII tehran conference.

also, specifics about each of those things will hopefully come today

OOC: Indeed. Perhaps this could help turn the global state of affairs into our second world war. What with the situation in Poland, the expansion into Romania, Northern Bulgaria, Latvia and Estonia, the civil war in Pushka, the turmoil in the South Pacific, the huge amount of fighting in Africa, etc. will give us what we truly need for a WW2.

If we all sat and discussed it and agreed we should have one and that we should all do things to help bring about that global war, it would work much better than World War I, which was a flop in my opinion.

I would also like to see wars played out in better detail. Descriptions of the cities where troops are stationed, detailed accounts of the battles, etc. It seems like everyone just skims over that and writes what they need to write to conquer areas of land, which sadly includes myself.

Just a thought.

Sassari, Sardinia

Already preparing to launch a surprise attack on Hannibalia, everything at the Elephanti Base was on high alert. When they detected the massive group Roman bombers, and decided that another ally was entering the mix, they sent word to the Embassy in Rome, as well as to all three military command headquarters (Manama, Madras, Riyadh)

Rome

Upon hearing the news, Abd el-Rahman, embassador to Rome, rushed out of the embassy. Weaving through the streets, his limousine needed to get to the (ooc: not sure what you refer to your Royal Palace building as). He needed to work out a plan with the Romans. Hannibalia would not fall easily, and t would be a costly battle.

(ooc: I plan to send nearly all forces under MEDCOM (Mediterranean command, only really consists of the Sassari base), into battle in Hannibalia. Win or lose, they will be nearly wiped out. Any surviving elements will help in Sicily (which should have some Elephanti partisans) and Italy.

Various bases in Iraq, Jordan, and Kurdistan

Military preparations were underway throughout all three Sultanates. As soon as the attack on Sassari began, they would attack Syria. A similar plan was underway in India.

Madras, Sultanate of Southern India

Despite the plague ravaging the Sultanate, the Indians still planned to attack their opponents in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. The third prong of the triple attack would be a massive air, naval, and land assault on the small Technate area in Tamil Nadu, followed by airdrops and amphibious assaults on Sri Lanka.

Already, several large groups of plague victims (6,000 total) , determined to help their country, even in death, were approaching the Technate's border. They would beg for admittance as refugees. If they made it in, they would try to spread the disease and fight the technate.

Koror, Palau

Seeing an opportunity, the rebels on the island of Koror sent a message to the Technate.

Greetings fellow opponents of imperialistic conquerors,

We would like to offer you assistance in your battle against the horrible despots who claim to rule in the name of Carthage. In exchange for weaponry, we will attack Republican Palau, and enable you to use Eternal Freedom Military Base to help conduct your operations.

OOC: about the Tehran conference

Perhaps a representative from the Caliphate, and one from the Republic, would go to Tehran for the conference, which would hopefully be along the lines of the WWII tehran conference.

also, specifics about each of those things will hopefully come today

OOC: Getting two representatives from the sides that aren't fighting each other, ehhh? Not much of a peace deal can be made there =D

OOC: Elephantum, my main governmental building is the Curia.

IC:

As soon as he arrived, Praetor Legate Primus Julius Emitrius (that would be the General) received Ambassador Abd al-Rahman in his office. "Ambassador, so good to see you. What do you have to discuss? We must act quickly."

OOC: Getting two representatives from the sides that aren't fighting each other, ehhh? Not much of a peace deal can be made there =D
ooc-not a peace deal, a strategy conference. Peace deals never work anyways

ROME
(ooc:Should've known)
IC:
Ambassador al-Rahman sat down, and hastily began speaking.

"Our base in Sassari keeps a close eye on operations in the Mediterranean, as it is our only base in the area.

We detected a mass movement of air units, bombers to be specific, headed towards Carthaginian lands. We are curious as to whom you plan on helping in this war. Are you helping the Imperialist forces, trying to rally the Republicans, or helping the Technate? Hopefully you are sending aid to the Republic. If you are, we would ask you to join us in a conference discussing strategy in Tehran. We are working with the Caliphate and Republic to bring about an end to this conference. Rest assured the plague, which we now suspect was a result of the Technate, will not affect the conference."

ROME
(ooc:Should've known)
IC:
Ambassador al-Rahman sat down, and hastily began speaking.

"Our base in Sassari keeps a close eye on operations in the Mediterranean, as it is our only base in the area.

We detected a mass movement of air units, bombers to be specific, headed towards Carthaginian lands. We are curious as to whom you plan on helping in this war. Are you helping the Imperialist forces, trying to rally the Republicans, or helping the Technate? Hopefully you are sending aid to the Republic. If you are, we would ask you to join us in a conference discussing strategy in Tehran. We are working with the Caliphate and Republic to bring about an end to this conference. Rest assured the plague, which we now suspect was a result of the Technate, will not affect the conference."

"The Republic. We cannot see another democracy fall," said the Legate, who tried to light a cigarette before he realized the Curia was smoke-free.

"We will send a representative to Tehran, but be advised that we will also do our monitoring and will strike on our own should the need arise. We MUST (banging his fist on the desk) act quickly, I cannot emphasize that enough."

He then put his cigarette back in its case. "Stupid anti-smoking laws," he mumbled to himself.

Neo-Carthage

It was over an hour after the last line of defence had been breached, and things weren't looking good for the defenders of Neo-Carthage.

Over a million Imperial troops had made a giant push to break through the outer-defences of Neo-Carthage, and although many of their number died trying to take the trenches, they mercilessly slaughtered all of the defenders they could find. Once the trenches had been overpowered, the army rushed into the city. Towering skyscrapers were set to explode by the partisan defenders, and massive 100-story buildings came crashing down onto the incoming defenders. As they entered public plazas, they were blown up by massive explosives, then mercilessly slaughtered themselves by Republican defenders. However, they Imperial forces moved on.

After another 3 hours, they had finally made it to the Citadel of Old Carthage, where the president was said to be held up. Inside were over 1,000 Republican Shock Troopers, lead by their beloved President. When the hordes of Imperial troops reached the citadel, they found a well-defended fortress. Bunkers and machine-guns were everywhere, and whenever some poor soldier got too close he blew up on the mine-field surrounding the city. Unable to get air-support to blow up the citadel, the Imperials were forced to attack by ground. Wave after wave charged at the Citadel, and wave after wave fell to the defences. Eventually, however, the massive amount of Imperial forces was too much, and the Imperial soldiers swarmed all over the Citadel, killing all they could find. Once they came upon the Presidents office, they found a middle-aged man sitting in a chair, faced towards the flag of Carthage at the back of the room. When the Imperial forces approached the man, his chair suddenly swivled around, and he opened fire on them with an AK-Z. Although he managed to take down 5 Imperial soldiers, his body was soon pumped full of lead. As his lifeless body fell to the floor, the flag of Imperial Carthage was raised above the now ruined city of Neo-Carthage.

OOC: Post sucks, yes. Late at night, it be. Map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/WAR3.png), I have made.

The Free Carthaginian Press

Clash of the Titans!

In a not very suprising move, the Technate and the Empire have merged to create the Technocratic Empire of Carthage. This means that the entire western portion of the Empire, as well as half of the Middle Empire (Syria fell to the Technocrats soon after the loss of Makkah) is under the unified control of Neo-Carthage. To counter this, the Republic has merged with the Caliphate to enlarge the boundaries of the Republic to Carthaginian Arabia, as well as conquering Sri Lanka and the small amount of land still under Carthaginian Control in Southern India. Now that there are just two sides, each having to worry only about the other, will this war take a turn for the worse? The writer of this article hopes that it doesn't, but horrific weapons have already been used during this war, and chances are, they will be used again.

OOC: That means another new map (http://photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/th_WAR4.png)! Weee! Blueish color is Technocratic Empire, Red is Republic.

Communique to both Carthaginian fractions

The Kingdom of Norway is increasingly worried about the state of affairs within Carthage, but as it considers it a Carthaginian internal affair, we shall not meddle with it. However, the Norwegian colony of Egypt lies directly between the Techno-Imperial fraction and the Republican Caliphate fraction. Therefore, the following decrees has gone out from Oslo:

Any Carthaginian military aircraft passsing over or entering Norwegian airspace will be shot down without warning.
Any Carthaginian military vessels that enter Norwegian territorial waters will be sunk without warning.
Any Carthaginian military ground units crossing into Norwegian territory will be detained and/or killed without warning.
Any Carthaginian missiles passing over or entering Norwegian airspace will be destroyed immediately.
Any damage inflicted on Norwegian citizens, property or equipment will be retaliated on, swiftly and severely.
All Carthaginian military vessels, or vessels carrying cargo intended for the warring factions will be denied access to the Suez Canal.
All Carthaginian vessels, military or civilian, are subject to random searched by Royal Norwegian Naval personell once in Norwegian territorial waters. Any vessel resisting such search will be sunk immediately.

We thank you for your attention.

Regards
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Norway
Ministry of Defense, Kingdom of Norway

Communique to both Carthaginian fractions

The Kingdom of Norway is increasingly worried about the state of affairs within Carthage, but as it considers it a Carthaginian internal affair, we shall not meddle with it. However, the Norwegian colony of Egypt lies directly between the Techno-Imperial fraction and the Republican Caliphate fraction. Therefore, the following decrees has gone out from Oslo:

Any Carthaginian military aircraft passsing over or entering Norwegian airspace will be shot down without warning.
Any Carthaginian military vessels that enter Norwegian territorial waters will be sunk without warning.
Any Carthaginian military ground units crossing into Norwegian territory will be detained and/or killed without warning.
Any Carthaginian missiles passing over or entering Norwegian airspace will be destroyed immediately.
Any damage inflicted on Norwegian citizens, property or equipment will be retaliated on, swiftly and severely.
All Carthaginian military vessels, or vessels carrying cargo intended for the warring factions will be denied access to the Suez Canal.
All Carthaginian vessels, military or civilian, are subject to random searched by Royal Norwegian Naval personell once in Norwegian territorial waters. Any vessel resisting such search will be sunk immediately.

We thank you for your attention.

Regards
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Norway
Ministry of Defense, Kingdom of Norway


Reply by the Republic

We are fine with this, however a problem arrises: Our territorial waters meet with yours in the Red Sea. The probability of ships accidentally going into Norweigan territorial waters in that area is rather high, and could lead to some very nasty incidents.

We are also confused over this statement:

All Carthaginian military vessels, or vessels carrying cargo intended for the warring factions will be denied access to the Suez Canal.

Does this mean that merchant vessels or relief vessels going to either of the factions will be stopped? We are desperatly trying to salvage the situation in Makkah, where there are still some survivors who are in desperate need of assistance due to the fact that they are stranded in the middle of the scorching desert. That means that aid vessels will be trying to go through the Canal, and the supplies going to aid the relief effort will be going into the hands of the military forces in the area. Does this mean that those vessels will be prevented from going through the canal, thus meaning they will be forced to go through the Imperialist-controlled middle-mediterranean, where they will be boarded, their crews executed, their goods stolen, and their ships turned into war materials?

We hope to have your reply as soon as possible,
Interim President of the Carthaginian Republic,
Ibrahim al-Zafar

Official response

We should have been a bit clearer on the point specified, and we appologize for any misunderstandings. What we meant were any equipment that can be used as weapons, or as crucial for maintaining weapons, or equipment that can otherwise be used in the war effort, or troops, will be confiscated and the ships carrying it arrested and crews detained. Emergency aide equipment and supplies will be allowed to pass. As for the concern of misnavigation, we recommend that the ships in the area be equipped with skilled and capable navigators and modern navigation equipment, as our Navy will maintain its policy of 'sink on sight Carthaginian vessels in violation of the decrees'.

Again, we appologize for any misunderstandings or lack of clarity.


Regards
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Norway
Ministry of Defense, Kingdom of Norway

Official response

We should have been a bit clearer on the point specified, and we appologize for any misunderstandings. What we meant were any equipment that can be used as weapons, or as crucial for maintaining weapons, or equipment that can otherwise be used in the war effort, or troops, will be confiscated and the ships carrying it arrested and crews detained. Emergency aide equipment and supplies will be allowed to pass. As for the concern of misnavigation, we recommend that the ships in the area be equipped with skilled and capable navigators and modern navigation equipment, as our Navy will maintain its policy of 'sink on sight Carthaginian vessels in violation of the decrees'.

Again, we appologize for any misunderstandings or lack of clarity.


Regards
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Norway
Ministry of Defense, Kingdom of Norway

I thank you for the clarification on the aid issue, and it appears I was not very clear myself. When I was refering to ships accidentally entering your territory, I wasn't referring to the navy; I was referring to fishing vessels, merchant vessels, etc. I was also under the impression that these ships are mercilessly slaughtered on sight, but are searched instead. Please, tell me if I am wrong.

Interim President of the Carthaginian Republic,
Ibrahim al-Zafar

Technocratic Empire Controlled Territory

Although the Technocratic Empire had gained control of the Western Empire, it had by no means solidified it's control. A very vocal, and large, minority was discontent with the Empire at first, and now that it had merged with the Technate many were inflamed. The Emperor was pushing it by declaring himself "His Holiness", in a twisted fashion melded old traditions together, but by merging with those who had wiped out Makkah he had gone too far. Rioting spread all throughout T.E.C. Controlled territory, and although the Empire had tried to solve the problems peacefully at first, the torching of an Imperial Cult Building went too far.

Soon, the Imperial forces began to crack down on the rioters. The army was brought in, and battles ensued. Captured ring-leaders were quickly executed, and homes were set aflame.Unbelievably, it was far worse in what was Technate territory before. The Technate soldiers carried out their work with brutal efficency. Armed with advanced targeting technology, Technate soldiers always aimed for the head. After all the rioters were dead (the Technate forces left no rioters alive), they searched for survivors in areas that had rioted. They then took the families of rioters away, and they were brought to processing plants where they would be used in genetic experiments. Rioting barely lasted a single night in Technate territory, and it lasted only 3 in Imperial territory. In the end, more than 30,000 people were dead(including 42 Imperial soldiers, 7 of which were from former Technate territory), 100,000 injured, and over 500,000 arrested(includes those taken for experiments, which is around 400,000 of them).

OOC: This was kinda a spur of the moment thing, influenced by some song I heard and the riots in France. This is kinda to show the world that this new empire isn't like any other nation: even the Fourth Reich looks (or will look) tame compared to this new nation. Also, some of you may remember the more righteous technate (I.E. the peace-loving, democracy-supporting libertarians who ignited the Poland campaign). I can assure you, that has been replaced with a more of a nightmare-technate: complete with horrific genetic engineering of "subjects"(those seized by the government), cloning to create mindless slaves, and other examples of a possibly good science turned "evil".

Official Announcement by the Technocratic Empire of Carthage

Any nation that supports the Republic (officially or otherwise) is an enemy of the Technocratic Empire, and any holdings of your nation or it's citizens will be seized by our government. All citizens of nations supporting the Republic have their citizens in Imperial custody, and unless your nation ceases it's support for the Republic, they will become property of the Technocratic Empire of Carthage.

List of citizens held in Imperial Custody:

Roman Citizens: 57
Elephanti Citizens: 29

Any property seized will be given to citizens of allies of the Empire that reside in our territory at this time. If they do not wish to keep the land, then we will offer it to their government.

OOC: Rome or Eleph, if you think the number of citizens is too high, then I'll change it. Remember, however, that 57 and 29 out of about a billion people (the amount of people under Empire control) isn't that many.

The Divine Empire of Kreynoria will support the rightful government of Carthage, the Republic. All Technocratic Imperial vessels or aircraft are to be instantly destroyed upon sight. Any harm done to Kreynorian nationals in the Empire will result in swift retribution. Our friendship with the ture Carthaginian government will endure.

The Empire hereby denounces the Technocratic Empire of Carthage for this blatant act of aggression and creating a much more problematic situation.

Official Announcement by the Technocratic Empire of Carthage

Any nation that supports the Republic (officially or otherwise) is an enemy of the Technocratic Empire, and any holdings of your nation or it's citizens will be seized by our government. All citizens of nations supporting the Republic have their citizens in Imperial custody, and unless your nation ceases it's support for the Republic, they will become property of the Technocratic Empire of Carthage.

List of citizens held in Imperial Custody:

Roman Citizens: 57
Elephanti Citizens: 29

Any property seized will be given to citizens of allies of the Empire that reside in our territory at this time. If they do not wish to keep the land, then we will offer it to their government.

OOC: Rome or Eleph, if you think the number of citizens is too high, then I'll change it. Remember, however, that 57 and 29 out of about a billion people (the amount of people under Empire control) isn't that many.

The Roman Empire denounces this act of aggression and will respond accordingly.

(OOC: TLS, I don't have a lot of time to RP this right now, so I want to delay anything major until next week or so).

The Roman Empire denounces this act of aggression and will respond accordingly.

(OOC: TLS, I don't have a lot of time to RP this right now, so I want to delay anything major until next week or so).

OOC: God dammit! Every time I create an RP that's about to get all kick-ass awesome, something happens! In the Poland thread, Katrina happened and my grand scheme to liberate my people crashed and burned! Now here, my scheme to create EII's own "Third Reich"-type state is going to crash and burn because you have to go away for a week.

*sigh* God hates me...

OOC: This is just going to be a "justification" announcement by the Emperor.

IC:

Offical Statement by the Emperor

It has come to my attention that some nations are against actions taken in recent days against factions wishing the demise of the Technocratic Empire of Carthage. I cannot believe why you are saying these things. The rebellion of certain populations earlier in the week was a direct opposition to authority. We tried to listen to them, we tried to negotiate, but when negotiations failed, they wanted a fight, and we granted it to them. Yes, many people died, but they continued to fight, and we fought them. Certain elements of the government may have been a bit...overzealous, but it was within our nations right as a government to put down anything trying to destroy the state.

Secondly, I see that certain nations have been taken back by our statement that any nation that supports the Republic is an enemy of the state, and that any of their properties in our country would be seized and any of their citizens would be arrested. We declared war on Rome and Elephantum because, frankly, they had already begun fighting us. Rome sent troops to aid the Republic, and Elephantum was making massive troop movements, which moved large amounts of soldiers near our borders, and those soldiers were armed as if for an invasion. We had to declare war on them; on Rome because they had already killed our soldiers, and Elephantum because they were going to.

Thirdly, the opposition to our arrests and seizures confuses me very much. This happens in all wars, at least we had the politeness to state that we were doing it. And the majority of the time, the citizens are just dragged off to some dark alley somewhere and shot. We will not execute these prisoners, merely send them to work in camps. Of course, there are no guarantee's that in this camp, some will not die. When one works in dangerous areas, there is a possibility that there might be an accident. If you make peace with us, you will get all your surviving citizens back, as well as any goods they had on them at the time of making-peace (this will be substantially more if you get them before the 24 hour period is up).

Finally, the hypocrisy of certain nations here amazes me. They would support other nations when they were doing things worse than us, yet when we do something you start raising a firestorm. We may be "agressive", but at least we aren't hypocrites.

His Holiness, the Supreme Technocratic Emperor of Carthage,
Hannibal IX

OOC: God dammit! Every time I create an RP that's about to get all kick-ass awesome, something happens! In the Poland thread, Katrina happened and my grand scheme to liberate my people crashed and burned! Now here, my scheme to create EII's own "Third Reich"-type state is going to crash and burn because you have to go away for a week.

*sigh* God hates me...

OOC: Well, at least you know I'm going to be back.

I also wanted to say that if you wanted to RP the Techate forces entering Rome you can do it. The way I see it, they bombard the city, defeat the small force there, enter the city, proclaim it's Carthaginian land (maybe even rename it), loot and pillage it and enslave anyone who decided to remain (most would have evacuated upon hearing the news of the advancing army, plus the Roman authorities would bus the people to safer ground, although you'd get a few- anywhere around 20,000 to 60,000- who'd stick around to fight). Then, several hours later, the main Roman Legion would throw them out of the city (you can decide the fate of the captives, who'd be both men and women). Think about it.

OOC: Well, at least you know I'm going to be back.

I also wanted to say that if you wanted to RP the Techate forces entering Rome you can do it. The way I see it, they bombard the city, defeat the small force there, enter the city, proclaim it's Carthaginian land (maybe even rename it), loot and pillage it and enslave anyone who decided to remain (most would have evacuated upon hearing the news of the advancing army, plus the Roman authorities would bus the people to safer ground, although you'd get a few- anywhere around 20,000 to 60,000- who'd stick around to fight). Then, several hours later, the main Roman Legion would throw them out of the city (you can decide the fate of the captives, who'd be both men and women). Think about it.

OOC: Ok then.

And sorry I lost my temper earlier. It's just I haven't been in a good RP that's actually finished in ages...

OOC: Ok then.

And sorry I lost my temper earlier. It's just I haven't been in a good RP that's actually finished in ages...

It's okay. I figured I'd throw you a bone since we agreed on something earlier. I don't like holding up RP's either.

How do you like my idea? I figured you might go for it since it's supposed to parallel the sack of Carthage.

It's okay. I figured I'd throw you a bone since we agreed on something earlier. I don't like holding up RP's either.

How do you like my idea? I figured you might go for it since it's supposed to parallel the sack of Carthage.

The Idea is good. I just wonder; will I be able to burn anything down? Like set the city ablaze as my forces desperatly try to hold onto the city when the Romans come to take it back? Or can I just set ablaze certain things, like the Senate, the Vatican(I know it not be under Roman control, but do you really think a bunch of soldiers hell-bent on the destruction of Rome will care? And if I use the burn-as-I-flee idea, do you think fire gives a care about international borders?), etc? Or could I just start the burning as soon as I enter?

It's not like I could actually wipe Carthage off the map in the time that I'm there, but if you think about it, Carthage itself has seen that fate (once at the hands of Rome and once during the first civil war), so having a bunch of buildings get set on fire isn't that bad. Besides, you could be a new, bigger, better Rome afterwards :D

(ooc: response on my citizens to come, but Rome starts in five minutes)

(ooc: response on my citizens to come, but Rome starts in five minutes)

OOC: Another Rome fan? Sweeeeeeeet!

It hasn't progressed far down here, Saturdays episode was the one where Pompey looses his head.

OOC: Another Rome fan? Sweeeeeeeet!

It hasn't progressed far down here, Saturdays episode was the one where Pompey looses his head.

Oh how I wish I had TMN...

Message to all Factions involved in the Carthaginian Civil War

The Roman Government is hereby announcing that it will recognize both the Techate Empire of Carthage and the Republic of Carthage as separate, distinct and legitimate governments provided that both the Techate and the Republic do the same with each other. We are interested in talks with both factions so as to properly resolve all disputes and bring the conflict between both sides to an end.

Gaius Romanus Rodinus Hartianus Caesar

Oh how I wish I had TMN...

I get it on HBO.

Message to all Factions involved in the Carthaginian Civil War

The Roman Government is hereby announcing that it will recognize both the Techate Empire of Carthage and the Republic of Carthage as separate, distinct and legitimate governments provided that both the Techate and the Republic do the same with each other. We are interested in talks with both factions so as to properly resolve all disputes and bring the conflict between both sides to an end.

Gaius Romanus Rodinus Hartianus Caesar

Offical Reply by the Technocratic Empire of Carthage

While we will not rest until the so called "Republic of Carthage" is wiped off the map, we recognize the need for peace. All we ask is that Rome hand over all of it's North African territories, and we will end this war.

Offical Reply by the Technocratic Empire of Carthage

While we will not rest until the so called "Republic of Carthage" is wiped off the map, we recognize the need for peace. All we ask is that Rome hand over all of it's North African territories, and we will end this war.

The Roman Empire shall hereby renounce any and all claims it has to Northern Africa.

The Roman Empire shall hereby renounce any and all claims it has to Northern Africa.

Very well then. On these terms we shall accept peace.

(OOC: Keep in mind, however, don't think Imperialist interference in Bolivia are over ;))

Very well then. On these terms we shall accept peace.

(OOC: Keep in mind, however, don't think Imperialist interference in Bolivia are over ;))

OOC: You know I made the move in an effort to get you out of Bolivia.

OOC: You know I made the move in an effort to get you out of Bolivia.

OOC: Yeah, but since when has a peace ended covert operations, hmmmmm?

Republic Surrenders!
After months of war, the Republic of Carthage has formally surrendered to the Technocratic Empire of Carthage. This was done in an effort to save the Indain sub-continent from the terrors of the Civil War that had already struck North Africa. All Republicans were formally granted amnesty by the Emperor himself, and the surrender went off without a hitch. This now formally marks the end of the Second Carthaginian Civil War, which has claimed the lives of over 20,000,000 people.

Republic Surrenders!
After months of war, the Republic of Carthage has formally surrendered to the Technocratic Empire of Carthage. This was done in an effort to save the Indain sub-continent from the terrors of the Civil War that had already struck North Africa. All Republicans were formally granted amnesty by the Emperor himself, and the surrender went off without a hitch. This now formally marks the end of the Second Carthaginian Civil War, which has claimed the lives of over 20,000,000 people.

Official Communique From The Roman Government

We would like to announce we are formally recognizing your government as the sole legitimate government in Carthage and hopes our diplomatic problems over the State of Bolivia can be resolved so we can properly establish diplomatic and trade relations.

Caesar Gaius Romanus Rodinus Hartianus

Official message to Imperial Carthage

The Kingdom of Norway are pleased that the Second Carthaginian Civil War is over, and willl immediately lift the sanctions taken against the two feuding factions. However, we will still maintain our policy of refusing armed ships belonging to nations other than our closest allies access to our waters without them getting approval from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs first. Naturally, this applies to all nations other than those of the October Alliance and other selected nations.

We wish to send humanitarian aid to the civilian victims of the war, in form of medical personell, food, medicines, water, blankets and tents, as well as a field hospital or two.

We also hereby officially recognize the Imperial Carthaginian Government, and hope to reestablish strong diplomatic and trade relations with it as soon as possible. We would very much like to retain our diplomatic posts in Carthage, and for the two nations to sign a Non-Agression Pact and a Free Trade Agreement.

We await your reply, which we hope will be positive.

[signed]
Morten A. Meyer
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Kingdom of Norway

OOC: Looks like the war isn't over yet, guys :D

IC:

The Governor and Company of Merchants of Carthage Trading Headquarters, Neo-Carthage

The most powerful buisinessmen in all of Carthage had come to the headquarters of The Governor and Company of Merchants of Carthage Trading, or to put it more simply, the Carthaginian Barbary Coast Company, to discuss current events. The head of the Carthage Technologic Industries, the largest software company in the world, was the first to speak. "We must do something about the government. Not only is it rampantly corrupt, it is slowly but certainly cutting off our trade routes. If we do not do something soon, we will be left without any partners to trade with. We must take out this government as soon as possible."

Although such speak was treason, the other members attending the conference agreed. The Technocratic Empire was, frankly, bad for business. The formerly secure markets of Rome and Elephantum had been closed, and the rest of the world was slowly closing it's doors. For the good of the economy, for the good of Carthage itself, nay, the good of the entire world, the Emperor had to be taken out. And the Barbary Coast Company knew just how to do it...

Emperor of Carthage DEAD!

In an event that has shook the world, the Emperor of the Technocratic Empire of Carthage was found dead this morning. Although no one knows how he died, it is suspected he died of natural causes. His death would have left a political vacuum (he had no heirs to the throne), unless the Carthaginian Barbary Coast Company had intervened. Thankfully, the company did, and now Carthage has a stable government. The new government made a world-wide press release soon after taking command:

While we still grieve for the death of our glorious Emperor, who made Carthage into a mighty nation, we believe he made some mistakes, and we wish to fix them. We send offical condolences to any nation that we have harmed in anyway. We wish to mend any damages that have been caused by the former governments diplomatic policies. We look forward to increasing economic trade as soon as possible.

OOC: Okay, I admit it, this was a cheap hax, but hey, did you REALLY think I wanted to be the bad-guy of the world? Hell no; NG can keep that job. Right now I'm focusing on making Carthage the most powerful economic force on the planet, and what would do that better than a giant corporation?

OOC: Okay, I admit it, this was a cheap hax

ooc: the thread is called Deux ex Machina, what more should we expect?
Oh yeah, if you want to keep track of your economic growth and earn some money, I suggest getting involved with the B.I.S.E. The more competition, the merrier.

OOC: Okay, I admit it, this was a cheap hax, but hey, did you REALLY think I wanted to be the bad-guy of the world? Hell no; NG can keep that job. Right now I'm focusing on making Carthage the most powerful economic force on the planet, and what would do that better than a giant corporation?

OOC: if you want your nation to become stronger VCO is the way to go.

OOC I strongly discourage entering the VCO, as that alliance might go to war with the October Alliance soon. Don't wanna drag you into a hugeass war, now do we? It's bad for the economy....

The Norwegian government wasn't too happy with the recent events in Carthage. No sooner had they gotten their blasted emperor before he was dead and the country about to start another war. It wasn't good. But before the government did anything, they wanted to know more about what was happening. Therefore they did nothing. For the moment....

Imperalist Strongholds Fall to Barbary Coast Company Forces

Yesterday, the last Imperialist stronghold in North Africa, Zarzis, fell to Barbary Coast Company forces. It came at the end of a 9 days urban-battle, in which over 30,000 people were killed. We have also just received word that Hannibalia, the head of the Technate, has fallen to Barbary Coast Company forces as well. Current estimates put the death toll there to be over 100,000 , although it is expected to rise in the coming days.

Seeing how the Barbary Coast Company now has solidified it's control of Carthage, it has come out with this statement:

Peoples of the World,
As of today, we have secured the entire nation of Carthage. Seeing how we have now entered an era of stability, we would like to announce the re-formation of the Technocratic Empire into the Merchant Princes of Carthage. We have already begun to dismantle the obstacles to stability that the former government laid down, and we hope to resume normal relations with ALL nations of the world.

On a similar note, we are announcing the withdrawl of all volunteer soldier from Bolivia. Getting involved in the Bolivian war was a great mistake indeed, which has already cost Carthage many billions of dollars, even though we aren't even officially involved.

OOC: Well actually i doubt there'd be a war with TOA, plus if there was a war then it'd be a relatively easy one for VCO to win, since we got better numbers plus we will be fighting a defensive war. In addition Layatrebian Emperor is currently in Marimia so starting a war right now might not be very good for his health. So TLS if you're interested in joining TG me. Sorry for interfering with your thread.

The Divine Empire of Kreynoria does not recognize the Barbary Coast Company as the rightful and legitimate government of Carthage. We open our borders in East Africa to all willing to flee Carthage.


OOC: That should be pretty many, considering recent events.

Kreynoria']The Divine Empire of Kreynoria does not recognize the Barbary Coast Company as the rightful and legitimate government of Carthage. We open our borders in East Africa to all willing to flee Carthage.


OOC: That should be pretty many, considering recent events.

OOC: Eh, it would be less than you think. There is a bit of instability, sure, but the majority of the people were against the Empire, and now that the Empire is gone, the majority of the people are happy. It's also not as if they are lacking any needs (Except for those in Zarzis and Hannibalia).

IC:

The Merchant Princes of Carthage are deeply sadened by these turn of events, and would like to ask that if they do not recognize us, who do they recognize? No one else lays claim to the leadership of Carthage, and we have the mandate of the people.

We recognize that there is complete anarchy and instability in Carthage, and officially endorse 4-year old Carthaginian citizen Jeremiah Walker as the rightful ruler of Carthage (lol just kidding)


Real IC Opinion

We recognize no official government of Carthage and shall continue to do so until a rightful government comes to the helm of Carthage.