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Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launcher

The Macabees
09-10-2005, 19:29
Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launcher

[Image: The image was drawn by myself, and colored by Ato-Sara.]

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The Praetorian II was the response to the growing problems concerning the Praetorian mobile surface to air missile launcher, including the fact that the Praetorian V missiles sometimes jammed within the small tubes, and that regardless of the sold range, the missile didn't have that range, which was likely because the launchers were extremely small, constricting the original size of the missile. Furthermore, there were problems with the fact that the barrels of the Praetorian launcher could simply not stand the head of sustained fire from the missiles, cuasing them to be needing replacements after every two launching sequences. As a consequence, the Praetorian mobile launcher was just too expensive to keep in combat for sustained periods of time. Indeed, the cost of putting these into combat around Aurillac and Mosnoi Bor during the War of Golden Succession was immense, eclipsing the cost of operating the early aerial formations.

The Praetorian II, unlike the original design, is not a self powered vehicle, but instead relies on an Ebro Type 23 truck. The truck has a six hundred horse power engine with a two stick transmission designed to maximize par and minimize horsepower when in the context of acceleration, meaning the truck is designed to tow, not to move quickly. The first stick has five gears, which are directly controlled by the second stick with three groups, giving the truck a total of fifteen gears. The first group maximizes torque [par], while the second group is designed for more acceleration if there is a need, and the third group is for reverse. The steering application is done through hydraulics and the braking is done by wire, although the brake itself is divided into two, allowing the driver to apply the brake one tire, depending on the direction of the turn, consequently the truck can make wider turns.

Before the Praetorian launcher, the box guards the computer application which is the fire and control system, as well as the central nervous system for the Engagement Control Station. The computer also localizes a phased array radar, which works on multiple bandwidths, and is very difficult to jam. Indeed, the PAC-3 system's radar has been deemed one of the most difficult, and considering that the radar on the Praetorian is more advance than that on the PAC-3, it can be deducted that the Praetorian's radar is, indeed, very difficult to jam.

Praetorian II mostly work in packs, with a single command truck commanding up to one hundred batteries over a range of over one hundred kilometers. The command truck includes a Headquarters and Headquarters Battery, which houses and leads the information and coordination central, that controls air traffic locations during an air battle sending information to higher echelons and subordinate groups, Communications relay groups, antenna mast groups, Trailer mounted electric power units, and guided missile transporters.

The fire and control system present on the Praetorian II, dubbed 'Brass', is the new top notch of said systems, developed by General Dynamics (Canada) and expanded upon by the Empire's own engineers. It includes Multi-Role Sensor Suite, Multi-Sensor Integration, Integrated Sensor/TA Suite, Virtual Immersive, Environment (AVTB), Neuroholographic ATD/R, Immersive Visualization. Moreover, the new system has both a low altitude RADAR and LIDAR system which has capabilities of tracking and giving firing solutions for up to twenty different targets at up to four thousand meters for the LIDAR and up to eleven thousand meters for the RADAR (although, of course, a gun doesn't necessarily have the power nor the type of shell to reach that far, and of course, that doesn't mean that the area between you and the enemy tank if full of large rocks that can disrupt your shell and its vector). The LIDAR uses a gaussian transmitter, which is right now the most advanced LIDAR transmitter developed by the United States. Of course, this fire and control system also uses thermal imaging, and of course, infra-red imaging. The Praetorian II's computer also feeds transmissions from grounded, and larger, RADAR arrays, on land, air and sea, giving it wider and more accurate coverage.

The launcher can launch eight Praetorians within a time set of fifteen seconds. It can thus be reloaded within forty-five minutes, depending on the logistical capabilities of the nation using the equipment. To take the heat of multiple launch sequences the launcher is lined internally with a cap of RENE N6, a Nickel based aluminum superalloy which has been tested time and time again to have high heat resistivity and the additional resistance to hydrogen enviroment embrittlement, caused by high heat. The launcher must be maintained after every twenty launch sequences, but doesn't necessarilly have to be replaced.

The Praetorian missile, technically the Praetorian VI, has just reverted to the original name of merely the Praetorian surface to air missile. The missile has been changed to be exactly the same missile as used in fixed batteries in order to improve logistics capabilities of the Praetorian batteries, wether fixed or mobile. The missile uses a fully capable RAMjet, which works at lower altitudes than the SCRAMjet, but still uses a temporary rocket booster. The missile has the capability of hitting Mach 1.2 within ten seconds after launch, and Mach 2 after twenty seconds of launch. It's counter-thrust nozzle vectoring gives it superior manuevaribility. It's said the PAC-3 can out manuever any aircraft and most missiles; imagine the Praetorian.

The Praetorian II mobile launcher is to become the mainstay surface to air missile battery used within the Empire for at least the next thirty years, further improvements nonwithstanding. It's deemed a very large improvement over the past design, the Praetorian MSAM, and one of the best regarding international armaments.

Statistics:
Truck: Ebro Type 23 [Heavy Logistics]
Engine: 600 bhp biodiesel
Maximum Velocity: 60 kph
Range: 405 kilometers
Length: 13.5 meters
Width: 3.7 meters
Angle of Turn: seventy-six degrees [if a full turn would be ninety degrees]
Sensor Systems:
Engagement Control Station
Headquarters and Headquarters Battery
Information and Coordination Central
Communications Relay Groups
Antenna Masts Groups
Trailer Mounted Electric Power Units
Missile Powerplant: Hydrogen enjection/RAMjet/Rocket Engine
Missile Range: 350 kilometers
Missile Length: 5.6 meters
Missile Weight: 376 kilograms
Warhead: 75 kilogram high explosive/CAPMES secondary warhead [disposable metalstorm canister]


Cost: 1.7 Million USD
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 21:06
[Image needs to have a longer box, yes.]
Automagfreek
09-10-2005, 21:12
For testing purposes, the Empire will take 200 of these models. If we like what we see, perhaps we will put in another...more substantial order.

All funds will be transfered upon confirmation. If possible, we would like these units shipped as soon as possible, but be warned...there are enemy fleets in the area that may attempt to stop or board your vessels.

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Marv Bonesplitter
-Department of Defense Chairman-
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 21:57
To: Marv Bonesplitter, Department of Defense, Automagfreek

The order for two hundred has been confirmed. They will be shipped to your nearest port within six weeks. As for shipping problems, we are technically allied to Praetonia and Hogsweat, consequently, why should they suspect anything more than humanitarian goods going to AutoMagFreek?

Do not fret, the expected twenty ship convoy will be fully armed, or as much as possible for a merchant ship, and they will be painted with the colors of the Red Cross. The ships will carry both the order and humanitarian goods; the latter of which will never get dropped off. Hopefully, the two fleets there won't budge to stop a mere Imperial convoy, which are allied ships.

Regardless, thank you for the order. We hope you find them to your full benefit.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
Findan
09-10-2005, 22:08
The Imperial Land of Findan shall take fifty (50) for a grand total of 850,000,000.

Empeor Samuel II
Emperor of Findan

Sir David Thaxton
Prime Minister of Findan

Sir Reginald Cooper
Defense Minister of Findan

Marshal Lord Sir Ludwig Vin Klieveburg
Marshal of the Imperial Findanian Army
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 22:19
The Imperial Land of Findan shall take fifty (50) for a grand total of 850,000,000.

Empeor Samuel II
Emperor of Findan

Sir David Thaxton
Prime Minister of Findan

Sir Reginald Cooper
Defense Minister of Findan

Marshal Lord Sir Ludwig Vin Klieveburg
Marshal of the Imperial Findanian Army


To: His Majesty Samuel II, Sir David Taxton, Sir Reginald Cooper, and Marshal Lord Sir Ludwig Vin Krievenburg; Findan

Your order for fifty Praetorian IIs has been confirmed, and all fifty shall finish production within three weeks, allowing for the supplying of all fifty within four weeks, to your nearest port. Kriegzimmer thanks you for the purchase.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
Findan
09-10-2005, 22:22
Money wired.
The Candrian Empire
09-10-2005, 22:35
Official Response from the Secratary of Defense, JM Jakowitz:

We are interested in a moblie missle platform, and this system intruiges us. But what we always need is adaptability - sure, a SAM platform is fine, but what about other missles?

So we ask, is the missle bay capable of being modified to hold other sizes of missles? We wish to use this as a more general missle platform, capable of launching the Praetorian missle system, Giles AShMs, and ground-attack missles, as well as any other missle systems we may eventually field. If it's possible, we would request 50 units for 85,000,000 USD, and engineers to allow us to modify the systems.
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 22:40
Official Response from the Secratary of Defense, JM Jakowitz:

We are interested in a moblie missle platform, and this system intruiges us. But what we always need is adaptability - sure, a SAM platform is fine, but what about other missles?

So we ask, is the missle bay capable of being modified to hold other sizes of missles? We wish to use this as a more general missle platform, capable of launching the Praetorian missle system, Giles AShMs, and ground-attack missles, as well as any other missle systems we may eventually field. If it's possible, we would request 50 units for 85,000,000 USD, and engineers to allow us to modify the systems.


To: JM Jakowitz, The Candrian Empire

For this specific order, we can change the system so that the box is made wider, allowing us to place some sort of adaptable launcher system, in which the box is wide enough to hold your largest missiles, but the propellent and the 'holders', or whatever you may call them, can constrict to hold smaller missiles. However, above the eight hundred and fifty million the Praetorian II would cost within itself, we would have to charge an extra one hundred million to change the system for just your order.

We hope that this is acceptable.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
The Candrian Empire
09-10-2005, 22:47
Official Response from JM Jakowitz, Minsitry of Defense
"Alright, we accept the extra charge.

Now we just gotta get some crazy logistics out of the way. About how long is this SAM platform, and how much weight can it hold?"

OCC: I expect the trailer to be tracked, considering it'll need to hold one 33 1/2 ton missle.
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 22:50
[OOC: It's expected to hold just a little bit more weight than the PAC-3, and the PAC-3 vehicle uses two rear wheels per side; so the image is fine. I also just noticed I never put warhead weights and the such, and I'll update with the stats you're asking for.]
The Candrian Empire
09-10-2005, 22:55
OCC: Cool. I'd hate to wait ten weeks longer for a replacement because mine's different.
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 23:32
OCC: Cool. I'd hate to wait ten weeks longer for a replacement because mine's different.

[OOC: Well, I would only think that it would take two more weeks for production, regardless of the size of the order. So, a purchase of fifty could be completed within three weeks, plus the additional two weeks would make it five weeks in terms of supplying them. So, it's not that bad. You could always just buy production rights as well, and just make them yourselves.]
MassPwnage
09-10-2005, 23:38
ooc: Mac, add 2 road wheels on the tractor part. That thing's going to tip over if you don't.
Findan
09-10-2005, 23:43
ooc: Mac, add 2 road wheels on the tractor part. That thing's going to tip over if you don't.
MassPwnage waht do you think of it, since you have a rep of loving missiles?
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 23:45
ooc: Mac, add 2 road wheels on the tractor part. That thing's going to tip over if you don't.

[OOC: It won't because normally a truck carries counter-weights in the back to avoid that, and yea, the wheel is a little far back...but meh... I can always add more counter-weights. Not to mention that with the trailer it's not going to tip over any time soon.]
MassPwnage
09-10-2005, 23:48
ooc: I just made my opinion clear. If it doesn't gain an extra set of wheels, it will tip over. Otherwise, it's not a bad piece of equipment.

Edit: Saw your post Mac, but on the topic of counterweights, it's better to add another wheel set simply for more stability over rough terrain and so it won't need the trailer in order to go places.
The Macabees
09-10-2005, 23:54
[OOC: That would require me to redraw that pic, and that's not happening :p . And, the truck type is designed specifically with the trailer, since all my other logistical trucks aren't built with trailers, but with an attached bed. If they ever need to drive by themselves it won't be in rought terrain because they won't be in a combat operation without a trailer, which might be a rocket launcher, the Praetorian, regardless. So, for those rare moments when it's driving by itself it's going to be driving on good roads, and with counterweights.]
Halberdgardia
10-10-2005, 02:21
To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: General Frederick Strickland, Chief of Staff of the Army, the Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
Re: Order

The Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia is most impressed with this advanced anti-aircraft system, and wishes to purchase limited domestic production rights for a production run of fifty thousand units, at whatever price you deem appropriate. Payment will be wired upon confirmation.

Respectfully,
General Frederick Strickland
Chief of Staff of the Army
The Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
The Macabees
10-10-2005, 02:28
To: Esteemed General Frederick Strickland, Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia

For the most part this order has been confirmed, however, we would like to inquire into what exactly is meant as limited production rights. Nonetheless as you are allied it would matter none if you were purchasing limited or full, as a consequence, the production rights have been sold for the price of eight hundred and fifty billion United States Dollars.

The plans and schematics will be given through IADF secure networks, to avoid stolen technology. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
Halberdgardia
10-10-2005, 03:26
[OOC: Oops, wrong vendor. I use limited production rights when buying from Sarzonia, when trying to obtain more units of a particular vehicle/vessel than his limit (sometimes he limits sales of a particular vehicle/vessel to 250 or 500 units, etc.) allows. They're the same as regular production rights, but are essentially a contract to produce only a certain number of units. I forgot that I can get unlimited production rights from you, so strike the part about the production rights being limited and assume that they were unlimited.]

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: General Frederick Strickland, Chief of Staff of the Army, the Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
Re: Order

Apparently an error was made in the transmission of our last communique; it should have read for permission to purchase unlimited production rights, not a limited run of fifty thousand units. We regret the error and apologize. We thank you for transmitting the plans and allowing for unlimited production, and the $850 billion has been wired to your accounts. We look forward to purchasing more fine Kriegzimmer products in the future.

Respectfully,
General Frederick Strickland
Chief of Staff of the Army
The Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
The Macabees
10-10-2005, 03:30
To: Esteemed General Frederick Strickland, Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia

Fortunately, with that cleared up, we caught a mistake in our own sale as well. Production rights are not that expensive, especially when you take into consideration that an aircraft would most likely sell for only thirty billion. Consequently, only six billion of the original eight hundred and fifty billion have been accepted through the electronic transmission of funds. The rest has been returned to your national bank, or wherever it originated from.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
Halberdgardia
10-10-2005, 03:37
To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: General Frederick Strickland, Chief of Staff of the Army, the Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
Re: Order

We are grateful for the Kriegzimmer Board's honesty in catching the mistake of the amount for the production rights, and in their return of the remaining funds to us. As a token of our gratitude for their honesty and excellent customer service, we have wired an additional one billion dollars to the Kriegzimmer Board's account.

Additionally, regarding our production of the Praetorian system, we thought it prudent to inform you that we will be widening the bore of each missile tube on each Praetorian mobile launcher to accommodate a wider variety of anti-aircraft missiles.

Again, our thanks for your excellent service.

Respectfully,
General Frederick Strickland
Chief of Staff of the Army
The Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia