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Mish-11PVVS Arhangel

Pushka
08-10-2005, 18:22
OOC: This aircraft is a derivative from Mish-11/F-79 Arhangel that was created by cooperation between me and Space Union, several aspects of the design have been changed but to give credit there credit is do the airframe design remained unchanged and was designed by Space Union with my later editorial which was mostly of a grammatic nature.

IC:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/Blackbird-SR-71/F-79Skygod.png

Length: 25 m
Height: 5 m
Wingspan: 18 m
Power plant: 2 GLST-19 Turbofan Engines generating 41000 thrust each
Empty Weight: 15,000 kg
Full Weight: 26,500 kg
Maximum Weight: 38,500 kg
Maximum Payload: 18,200 kg
Cruising Speed: Mach 1.9
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.9
Operational Altitude: 85,000 ft
Maximum Altitude: 95,000+ ft
Arnament w/o Hard points: 1x PD-19 30mm Electro Thermal Automatic Cannon, 8 missiles (each is or under 400 kg), and 4 Bombs, each are or under 600 kgs (3,000 kg)
Hard points: 4 (Each can carry 2,000 kgs worth of weapons); 2 on each wing;
Crew: 2
Combat Range: 1,600 miles; with refueling: unlimited
Price: Not for sale.




Introduction:

This version of Mish-11 was created for use by Pushkan Air Force. It is modified with different engines and parts to make it possible for quick mass production of this aircraft on the territory of Union of Communist Republics. This craft is not for sale unless permitted by the UCR military council.

Airframe:

The Mish 11's most formidable goals to achieve its reputation is stealth and maneuverability. These characteristics, though, are counter's to each other as stealth features tend to make the aircraft less maneuverable while maneuverable features tend to make an aircraft become a mountain on radar. So research was done into assuring that only characteristics that reflected both and work to advantage of both would be implemented on this aircraft.

The most notable feature on the airframe is it is made out of lightweight composite material (called reinforced carbon-fiber). The use of composite material has made the aircraft considerably more lightweight while making it much more durable compared to the use of metal. Not only that but the use of composite material has significantly reduced the RCS of the aircraft. Unlike metal, composite materials tend not to reflect radar waves. This makes it perfect for a use on a stealth aircraft. Not only this but the aircraft has been made to ensure there are no right angles. Without right angles, the aircraft is much more stealthy. But composite materials don't just help the stealth characteristics they also help maneuverability. By using composite materials instead of heavyweight metals, the aircrafts weight has been dramatically cut compared to other aircraft. This allows it to be much more maneuverable compared to heavier-weight aircrafts. You'll literally see this aircraft own dogfights.
It will match any environment with lethality that will make other fighter pilots run before they become engaged, yet that won't even save them from the wrath of the Arhangel.



Another feature of the aircraft is that it features two canards at the front. These serve the purpose of adding much more lift to the entire body. Not only that it also makes the aircraft more maneuverable. But even more important feature was using the compression lift technique, formulated on the XB-70 in the 1960s. Compression lift works by lowering the edge of the wings down. When an aircraft is flying. When an aircraft is moving fast, it produces shock waves that move outward from the side of the aircraft. Having the wing tip's lowered, allows the aircraft to take advantage of this. Now the compression lift waves are trapped. As the shock waves try to escape, they push the aircraft up, thus creating more lift. This not only serves the purpose of increasing the thrust, it also gives the aircraft one of the highest lift-to-drag ratio on any aircraft.


Although the aircraft is already quite maneuverable and stealthy, designers have added new technologies to the aircraft. The most important is the use of wing warping on the wings and tail blade. Wing warping is the act of bending the wing in a way to allow for the aircraft to be maneuverable. Wing warping allows the aircraft to do feats that will dazzle the enemy into thinking that the Arhangel doesn't have to even follow the laws of physics. Not only is wing warping used on the wings but also on the tail blade (or the horizontal stabilizer). This adds to the already daunting maneuverability ensured by the aircraft. Of course, all the warping is controlled by an onboard computer that uses calculations made every second.

To add more stealth to the airframe, it is coated all-over with a RAM paint-job to further reduce the already small IRS.


One of the newest technologies ever devised by the Pushkan and Space Unionist scientist was The Center of Gravity Manipulation System (CGMS). CGMS works by having 5 separate tanks in the body of the aircraft. All the tanks are connected by pipes, similar to the ones that are used in home plumbing except these are made out of composite material similar to the one that makes up the airframe. They are thus made to withstand great amounts of pressure. It uses a heavy liquid called LST, the liquid starts out at the middle tank in the center of the aircraft, this is the standard position, in it the aircraft is stable. But during flight, the pilot is capable of moving the center of gravity forward, backwards, left or right by moving the secondary control stick while in SRP mode. With a shift of a control stick a valve opens up and a gas system powered by the engine, pumps the liquid into another tank. This shifts the center of the gravity, greatly increasing the aircraft's ability to make sharp turns, flips and dives. This results in a fighter that can out do any other aircraft in dogfights.

Avionics:

Mish-11 Arhangel features an advanced avionics system. That avionics system is centered around a technology featured in all recent Pushkan military projects; VRPB.
VRPB is a digitalized model of the battlefield on which every friendly unit and every enemy unit detected by any friendly unit is shown. VRPB is a giant model of the globe divided into sectors.
There are three major sectors: ground, air and space. Each one of those sectors is further divided into sub-sectors each one with an assigned number. Ground sector is anything below an altitude of 500 meters, air sector is anything above 500 meters and below 60 kilometers, and space sector is everything above 60 kilometers. Each sector has 512100 sub-sectors about 1000 square kilometers each. Each sub-sector is further divided in a 100 sections, 10 square kilometers each. The system also offers depth; every unit represented on VRPB is represented in a 3 dimensional space allowing the computer systems using VRPB for navigation and targeting to go far beyond what they could do with a 2 dimensional system.
IL or information link allows VRPB to be updated in real-time without any lags.
As said before VRPB lets the plane’s pilot see far beyond sensors available his plane. That revolutionizes the concept of see before seen shots. Any enemy unit registers by sensors of any friendly unit is represented on VRPB to which the targeting system is linked. The targeting is initiated via an LCD screen. The pilot has access to the full VRPB system meaning that he can zoom in on any sector, sub-sector and section on earth and if there are registered enemy units there he can target them by touching their icons and putting a traceable marker on the target that will update in real-time.
The missile has its own IL thus once it leaves the plane it will be able to track the target on its own receiving no signals from the plane. As long as the target remains registered the missile will track it even if the plane that carried it was shot down. The pilot can also punch in a command on his numerical keyboard to show the best interception sequence, in this case VRPB will show the pilot the predicted path of the enemy plane and the best point at which to place the marker in order to intercept, the pilot can touch the interception point icon and press the firing button on his control stick, The computer will do all the rest, it will fire the missile at the precise time for hitting the interception point while the enemy target is located on it. Even if the missile didn’t hit the computer will automatically place a marker on the target that was supposed to be intercepted and the missile that missed will attempt to track it unless another target for it is selected. The pilot can not target any friendly unit unless a code is provided to him by his commander that unlocks the pilot’s option to do so.
The plane also has its own radar; RMD-143. It can track up to 30 targets in a 400-kilometers all around. It is a bi-static phased array RADAR system, with two radar sensors one in the nose and one in the tail, it can see through 5th generation stealth and provides the pilot a 360-degree radar sweep. Its readings are transferred to the VRPB via the IL located on the plane, the pilot can view the readings of his own radar but since VRPB is the primary navigation device the radar is secondary although its readings are represented on VRPB.
There is a system to prevent the pilot from passing out from the G-forces. The flight control is linked to VRPB; using the VRPB data the computer can instantly calculate the G-forces resulting from a maneuver initiated by the pilot and prevent the plane from going into uncontrollable spin or pilot loosing his consciousness. This can be turned off.
To maneuver the plane the pilot uses two control sticks. One of them is for flying in what is called a Normalnie Rejim Polieta (Normal Flight Mode), which is how most fighters fly, the control stick tilts the horizontal tail blades and maneuvers the plane. The first control stick has buttons for firing missiles, the machine gun, for turning on the after burners, for accelerating and decelerating and for initiating the Svobodnie Rejim Polieta (Free Flight Mode) that allows the pilot to take advantage of the maneuverability provided by the vector thrusters, wing warping and the shifting center of gravity. Using the two controls the pilot can rotate his plane however he wants, he can make almost instant 180-degree turnarounds, flips, and so on The second stick is for shifting the center of gravity, the stick moves forward and so does the point of gravity, it moves backwards and the point of gravity follows, it can also move right and left. The second stick also has a set of 6 arrow keys for changing the angle of the vector thrust. Special sensors are placed on the wings that allow the computer to know then to warp wings and safely navigate the plane through its maneuvers and to make those maneuvers possible. While in SRP the pilot’s hands are busy, he cannot reach the LCD screen to select the target, and for that reason then in SRP the computer automatically locks on the closest possible target. Each plane has sensors that, unless specified over wise, prevent two missiles from locking onto the same target. The pilot still has control of releasing the missile, also when in the SRP, the machine gun turret locks in the position looking in the same direction as the nose of the aircraft, the pilot fires it like always by the button on the first stick.
SRP is supposed to be used for dogfights while NRP is supposed to be used for long range targeting and so on.
The pilot also has another option, he can initiate the non-spin mode there the aircraft will not loose altitude or start spinning unless the controls are touched. It will fly straight allowing the pilot to rest while flying through a friendly aerospace.

Propulsion:

Mish-11PVVS is powered by two GLST-19 Turbofan engine, although they are not as powerful as the Union-174-2005 Pulse-Detonation Engines used on the original Mish-11 Arhangel craft available for export, they are easier to maintain, more reliable plus can be mass produced on UCR territory.

The turbofans are fed by two intake vents located on the sides of the cockpit.

The aircraft also features a thrust vectoring capability or TVC, unlike in the Mish-11 Arhangel here it is done the traditional way, the thrust can be directed by changing the angle at which the thruster is pointing in relation to the horizontal body of the aircraft.

Arnament:

The plane has a PD-19 Electro Thermal Automatic 30mm cannon. It uses magnetic coils to speed up the projectiles at velocities much higher then those that can be seen accomplished by gunpowder-propelled projectiles, thus greatly increasing maximum range and accuracy. It is housed in a protective capsule underneath the cockpit. The capsule can rotate 360 degrees and since the capsule is smooth and is pressed very close to the aircraft it will not be torn off by friction even at supersonic speeds. The rotation is manually controlled by the arrow keys on pilot’s keyboard once he switches to machine gun mode. The firing is initiated by the button on the side of the control stick. Of course the machine gun can also be fired with the help of VRPB, it can be locked on to a target (missile or plane) or fire multiple shots in a preset rotation sequence.

The plane has 3 weapons bays, all of them are internal and all are located on the craft’s belly: 2 in front, 1 in the back.

The front 2 are for launching missiles. Those can be launched simultaneously. Each of these bays can carry 4 missiles; weight limit per missile is 400 kg.
The missiles are stored like this:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7287/fghf4xg.jpg



The other bay can carry up to 4 bombs, 600 kg each. The mechanism works like this:


http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2158/fghf26vq.jpg

There are also 4 additional hard points on the wings, 2 for each wing. Weight restriction here is 800 kg per hard point, the pylons can be adjusted to fit any type of missile or bomb, including cruise missiles.

The plane can carry following munitions:


RKD-13 Short Range AA Missile:

http://www.wonderland.org.nz/sizeaa2.gif

Length: 2.6 meters
Guidance: VRPB/IL
Range: 42 kilometers
Speed: Mach 2.9
Propulsion: RM-2 solid propellant rocket motor
Warhead: 7.1 kg HE expanding rod warhead
Diameter: 170 mm





Description: The design of the missile allows for something never seen before, it allows the pilot to lock on and hit his target without facing his target. Once the target is locked and the missile is released it is no longer a part of the plane, the plane sends absolutely no signals to it. The missile has its own IL and a microprocessor system that uses VRPB for guidance. The missile is astonishingly maneuverable; it has outlets close to its nose that can release pressurized air allowing the missile to turn around instantaneously before initiating the ignition of its RM-2 rocket motor. For example the enemy plane is behind the Mish-11, the missile is released, the pressurized air is released from one side in order to turn the missile 180 degrees so it would be able to hit the approaching enemy. The ignition sequence begins and the missile flies, fins located on its nose and near the thruster guide it, but it can also release the access of the pressurized air to make sharp turns. The enemy pilot thinks that his position is comfortable, he is on Mish-11’s tail and there is nothing that can touch him, suddenly out of nowhere everything changes, the missile released from Mish-11 hits the unsuspecting enemy.

RDD-21 Long Range AA missile:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ru_missile_acrid_02.jpg

Length: 4.15 meters
Guidance: VRPB/IL
Range: 251 kilometers
Speed: Mach 4.1
Propulsion: RM-11 solid propellant rocket motor
Warhead: 52 kg HE
Diameter: 370 mm

Description: RDD-18 is guided the same way RKD-12 is, it also has its own microprocessor and pressurized air outlets.

RSD-9 Medium Range AA Missile:

http://www.softwar.net/R77.GIF

Length: 3.50 meters
Guidance: VRPB/IL
Range: 92 kilometers
Speed: Mach 3.6
Propulsion: RM-10 solid propellant rocket motor
Warhead: 33 kg HE fragmentation
Diameter: 210 mm

Description: RSD-7 is guided the same way RKD-12 is, it also has its own microprocessor and pressurized air outlets. However the placement of fins is different as seen on the picture.

In addition to these air-to-air missiles, the plane can also carry air-to-ground missiles of various kinds, including cruise missiles, and any kind of light ordnance, they can be hooked up to the adjustable pylons located on the wings of the aircraft.

ECMs (Electronic Counter Measures):

Mish-11 Arhangel features a number of systems that help defend it against its enemies. The most advanced of these is its Active Radar Canceling System. It works by having multiple sensors on the skin that pick up incoming radar signals. A powerful signal of the same frequency is immediately output confusing the enemy radar. The system works automatically changing the frequency of the emitted radar waves to match the frequency of the radar waves emitted by the enemy. This can be used to trick both missiles and enemy planes, although there is no 100% guarantee that this system will be successful

The simpler ECMs that the Mish-11 has are a set of 10 flares in the side of the aircraft. Also it has a set of 10 Chaff pods that are flare type ejectable projectiles that are used to trick enemy radar by giving matching Mish-11’s radar signature.

There is also a microwave emitter located on the nose of the aircraft that can shoot concentrated microwave impulses at the enemy aircraft or missiles. The system can be operated manually by the pilot or automatically in which case the system will shoot an impulse at the closest target within range automatically and will continue shooting them until the target is gone or the closer target appears.
MassPwnage
03-02-2006, 23:19
ooc: I almost died laughing reading the writeup you just posted.

Alright, here's why the MiSh-11 is so ridiculous, starting from the bottom up.

1.) Microwave Emitter: The microwave emitter is more or less a complete waste of resources, due to the fact that a fighter plane doesn't really make enough power to project very powerful microwaves to long range, and the fact that missiles for the most part move too fast to be tracked easily by the emitter.

2.) ARC: Active radar cancellation is absolute bullshit and is useless to boot. Even if processing time was instant, which it won't be, the enemy radar would hit the sensor first, and then bounce back to the enemy reciever as a radar return all before the ARC's wave can reach and jam the enemy radar. Not to mention the fact that since ARC can only broadcast on one wavelength, it's useless against radars that use multiple bands, and it would have trouble detecting LPI radars unless coupled to a very good passive radar , which you don't have.


3.) The Gun: Even if it's a flattened pod against the plane, it would still increase radar signature, as well as create serious drag, also rotating and firing the gun would either screw up the feed, or take up a large amount of internal space so you can get a drive mechanism capable of handling circular rotation worked out.

4.) Flight Modes: Turning on a dime? I don't think so, that would rip the plane apart.

5.) Radar: Bistatic radar? The reciever and the transmitter have to be facing the same direction for it to work. A bistatic radar would also be mechanically more complex than a standard radar and more prone to failure.

6.) Optical Camo: You can't have that and RAM at the same time, because the optical LEDs go on top of the RAM, nullifying the RAM's effect.

7.) The model of the Earth: Bullshit again, you would need a ridiculous amount of processing power to manage a real-time model of the entire Earth. A whole building full of supercomputers wouldn't be able to pull that off, let alone a plane.

8.) Wing warping with reinforced carbon fiber: Not possible, carbon fiber lacks the flexibility and ductility for pulling that off. Aeroelastic surfaces are made of metal for a reason.

9.) Plane composition: Composites alone are not flexible, and a degree of flexibility is needed in airplanes, which is why metals are used in the first place.
Hurtful Thoughts
04-02-2006, 00:07
Suggested workarounds for the above problems.

1)Use FCG type EMP wave devices, use as last ditch only since it would be gauranteed to screw up your plane.

2) Use internal jamming pod instead of ARC. You'll show up like a chrstmas tree though, but perhaps in the wrong place.

3) Gun, ERGs, hmm. Just use single barrel, either cooled by liquid coolant or a very stiff air blast.

4) hmmm... I'm not too enlightened on the subject. Assuming you plan to use that extra lift for tighter circles, use VIFFing. Keep in mind that those lift vortexes caused the XB-70 to crash.

5) up it to 4, or use standard, or 2 in tail and one standard in nose.

6) Low resolutuion RAM coating ('paint', who said RAM had to be black? The X-15 was originally PINK)

7) use PMT timeline computers or dumb it down, do you really need to know what the guy on the other side of the word is doing? Could you feedthe data from a land base, or simply use it to display prerecorded briefings?

8) Why are you useing wing warping? your plane would need the integrity of jelly to bend enough to get any modern handling out of it, and then it would fall apart as soon as you get in. Just use a more conventional method. Either air brakes or seprate control surfaces ('flying' canards)

9) Carbon fibre is getting better by the day... Who knows what will be made in the next ten years.

Officialy PROHT still recommends its FMX-6B ground attack plane, it may not be fast or manueverable. But they are powerful, cheap, and reliable even after EMP hits them (diesels, hydrolics, and gun are immune to EMP, everything else is toast) Thus they are fitted with an FCG based EMP 'device' (lacking a better word for it since I've had my head chewed off for calling it either a 'bomb' or 'emiter')
Pushka
04-02-2006, 00:42
MassPW, don't make me laugh, you wouldn't know how to design a plane if your life depended on it. Better go stick to your nuclear reactor powered naval guns, how did that go? Lol.


ooc: I almost died laughing reading the writeup you just posted.

Alright, here's why the MiSh-11 is so ridiculous, starting from the bottom up.

1.) Microwave Emitter: The microwave emitter is more or less a complete waste of resources, due to the fact that a fighter plane doesn't really make enough power to project very powerful microwaves to long range, and the fact that missiles for the most part move too fast to be tracked easily by the emitter.

not really a valid point but thanks.

2.) ARC: Active radar cancellation is absolute bullshit and is useless to boot. Even if processing time was instant, which it won't be, the enemy radar would hit the sensor first, and then bounce back to the enemy reciever as a radar return all before the ARC's wave can reach and jam the enemy radar. Not to mention the fact that since ARC can only broadcast on one wavelength, it's useless against radars that use multiple bands, and it would have trouble detecting LPI radars unless coupled to a very good passive radar , which you don't have.

Yet, SB and many others are using it, oh well. Suit yourself.


3.) The Gun: Even if it's a flattened pod against the plane, it would still increase radar signature, as well as create serious drag, also rotating and firing the gun would either screw up the feed, or take up a large amount of internal space so you can get a drive mechanism capable of handling circular rotation worked out.

No, not really, first of all the gun doesn't stand out at all, the elastic surface creates no drag and rotating it is also not a problem, there are assault rifles that can do that.

4.) Flight Modes: Turning on a dime? I don't think so, that would rip the plane apart.

It all depends on the speed, and thinking is not your strong suit obviously.

5.) Radar: Bistatic radar? The reciever and the transmitter have to be facing the same direction for it to work. A bistatic radar would also be mechanically more complex than a standard radar and more prone to failure.

Thats why i have my uber logististical team.

6.) Optical Camo: You can't have that and RAM at the same time, because the optical LEDs go on top of the RAM, nullifying the RAM's effect.

Yeah i know that, but so does SB and he is using it, either way that was completely SU's perogative, i was going to remove that guess i forgot. Oh well.

7.) The model of the Earth: Bullshit again, you would need a ridiculous amount of processing power to manage a real-time model of the entire Earth. A whole building full of supercomputers wouldn't be able to pull that off, let alone a plane.

Thats why it pays reading the whole thing, it doesn't have to process the whole model of the globe you idiot, it only processes the subsector or sector it is given access to. And yes a whole building of supercomputers can do that.

8.) Wing warping with reinforced carbon fiber: Not possible, carbon fiber lacks the flexibility and ductility for pulling that off. Aeroelastic surfaces are made of metal for a reason.

Do you even know how a warping wing works?

You're a noob RPer and you're a noob designer, be quiet.
Pushka
04-02-2006, 01:00
Suggested workarounds for the above problems.

1)Use FCG type EMP wave devices, use as last ditch only since it would be gauranteed to screw up your plane.

2) Use internal jamming pod instead of ARC. You'll show up like a chrstmas tree though, but perhaps in the wrong place.

3) Gun, ERGs, hmm. Just use single barrel, either cooled by liquid coolant or a very stiff air blast.

4) hmmm... I'm not too enlightened on the subject. Assuming you plan to use that extra lift for tighter circles, use VIFFing. Keep in mind that those lift vortexes caused the XB-70 to crash.

5) up it to 4, or use standard, or 2 in tail and one standard in nose.

6) Low resolutuion RAM coating ('paint', who said RAM had to be black? The X-15 was originally PINK)

7) use PMT timeline computers or dumb it down, do you really need to know what the guy on the other side of the word is doing? Could you feedthe data from a land base, or simply use it to display prerecorded briefings?

8) Why are you useing wing warping? your plane would need the integrity of jelly to bend enough to get any modern handling out of it, and then it would fall apart as soon as you get in. Just use a more conventional method. Either air brakes or seprate control surfaces ('flying' canards)

9) Carbon fibre is getting better by the day... Who knows what will be made in the next ten years.

Officialy PROHT still recommends its FMX-6B ground attack plane, it may not be fast or manueverable. But they are powerful, cheap, and reliable even after EMP hits them (diesels, hydrolics, and gun are immune to EMP, everything else is toast) Thus they are fitted with an FCG based EMP 'device' (lacking a better word for it since I've had my head chewed off for calling it either a 'bomb' or 'emiter')

I'd rather stick to my own design, since i am developing something knew anyways, plus this is a decent plane, its superior to most of its competitors and its homemade.

Also if you look at the pic you can see that it has canards. And of course it has other air surfaces.

Wing warping is used to get all that lift to boost the climbing rate. It explains what they do in the write up.
Hurtful Thoughts
04-02-2006, 05:13
Ah, I thought you intended to STEER your plane by flexing the wings, didn't look at picture. (didn't see link) This form of wing warping (used on earlty 1910 ish planes, such as the wright flyer) is now obsolete. (required 'bracing wires')

And form your picture, the canards do not appear to be the 'free floating' variety. (whole canard assembly turns to steer plane). I could see trim tabs/ailerons
Pushka
04-02-2006, 05:17
Ah, I thought you intended to STEER your plane by flexing the wings, didn't look at picture. (didn't see link) This form of wing warping (used on earlty 1910 ish planes, such as the wright flyer) is now obsolete. (required 'bracing wires')

And form your picture, the canards do not appear to be the 'free floating' variety. (whole canard assembly turns to steer plane).

You missing the point, it says it in the write up, the wings can be warped downwards to take advantage of all the sonic energy that will be caught by the warped wings and provide for greater lift. I am not talking about the Wright Broghters stuff, and no we are not using any strings.

This is what the write up says:

Compression lift works by lowering the edge of the wings down. When an aircraft is flying. When an aircraft is moving fast, it produces shock waves that move outward from the side of the aircraft. Having the wing tip's lowered, allows the aircraft to take advantage of this. Now the compression lift waves are trapped. As the shock waves try to escape, they push the aircraft up, thus creating more lift. This not only serves the purpose of increasing the thrust, it also gives the aircraft one of the highest lift-to-drag ratio on any aircraft.
Hurtful Thoughts
04-02-2006, 05:56
You also know that compression lift creates a MASSIVE vacume over the wings? The Compression lift on the XB-70A was sufficient to suck a T-38 Talon into it, and the ejection seats from all that tried to escape the following explosion. No-one survived.

This was part of the reason why the B-70 Valkiery project was dropped. Was also the fact that it would make an easy target (the B-70 flying fast high and level), used expensive fuel, and had a radar cross section bigger than a blimp (due to box intakes below fusealage).

Give those planes a WIDE berth or suffer!
Pushka
04-02-2006, 06:16
The wings can be warped into the standard position as they are in the pic and warped for compression lift then needed.
The Macabees
04-02-2006, 06:30
Yet, SB and many others are using it, oh well. Suit yourself.


They use it incorrectly. In order to completely cancel out an incoming light wave is by matching it, and the only way you can do that is to know its frequency - the wave would need to heat a receiver on the aircraft, off which it would bounce off with a target recognition, and although the plane now knows the frequency of that wave, can't catch up to it [whatever it sends to cancel it will have the same velocity, C] and won't stop the next one, since most NS planes use broadband radars.


The Gun: Where is it placed? If under the plane it can do some damage to the passing of air waves underneath the belly of the aircraft. It would have the same effect as hardpoints on a wing. I made mine retractable on the Lu-45, for that purpose.

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Other than that, what SB uses is not necessarilly the right thing the use. MP is correct, optical camoflauge would render RAM useless - as would any anti-LIDAR coating [which I don't think you use] - you can only choose one. I would choose RAM, as optical camoflauge has too many downsides for it even to be worthwhile, IMO.

As for wing warping, it's a good technique, but don't carry it too far. Too much wing warping can be a problem, and has been a problem on many designs before. There's a certain degree of wing warping which is helpful, and going past that is very detrimental.
Pushka
04-02-2006, 06:33
They use it incorrectly. In order to completely cancel out an incoming light wave is by matching it, and the only way you can do that is to know its frequency - the wave would need to heat a receiver on the aircraft, off which it would bounce off with a target recognition, and although the plane now knows the frequency of that wave, can't catch up to it [whatever it sends to cancel it will have the same velocity, C] and won't stop the next one, since most NS planes use broadband radars.

I know, thats SU's doing. But i see no reason to remove it, it doesn't hurt.


The Gun: Where is it placed? If under the plane it can do some damage to the passing of air waves underneath the belly of the aircraft. It would have the same effect as hardpoints on a wing. I made mine retractable on the Lu-45, for that purpose.

Its not exposed, i guess you can say it is retractable.



Other than that, what SB uses is not necessarilly the right thing the use. MP is correct, optical camoflauge would render RAM useless - as would any anti-LIDAR coating [which I don't think you use] - you can only choose one. I would choose RAM, as optical camoflauge has too many downsides for it even to be worthwhile, IMO.

I made the same point againsts his design then Cotland brought it up infront of me. But SU designed the Airframe and the optical system, i just never got around to removing it.

As for wing warping, it's a good technique, but don't carry it too far. Too much wing warping can be a problem, and has been a problem on many designs before. There's a certain degree of wing warping which is helpful, and going past that is very detrimental.

Of course
The Macabees
04-02-2006, 06:34
Very nice plane, give TOA hell. :)
Pushka
04-02-2006, 06:40
I deleted the FOLED part.

And about TOA, we'll see.