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President Delain's son, 24 year old Day Delain had been found guilty of murder (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447302) in the 1st degree on two accounts, killing 18 year old Jack Hanson and his girl friend, 17 year old Liesa O'conner.

They were murdered in Lake Terra Park in the eastern quarters of ViZion City. While Day Delain maintains that he is innocent, witnesses say they say Day Delain get into a fight with Jack Hanson about 20 minutes ago just outside of a bar after Day reportedly began gropping Liesa and sexually assaulting her. The bar was about a quarter mile from where the killing took place.

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Jack Hanson

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Liesa O'conner.

Today, Day Delain was publicly flogged to death in front on thousands, while millions of others viewed the event on television.

President Delain would not offer any words to reporters.

This sent a clear message that the courts in ViZion are not tolerant of murder, no matter the affiliation - even a family member of the President.

OOC: Note, I do not know those people in the pics... just some random pics of some teens I found on the net to use... so, no, I didn't have my 2 friends killed like some ppl have been askingme... lol

The Holy Empire of Saint Fedski wishes to send a judicial team to ensure that a fair trial was given and that Day Delain was not used just to prove a point. I will provide transport and a security detail for my men.


--Saint Fedski

The reply of the flogging was played all day on various news stations, and, as it was played on NationStates News Network, it began making its way into other nations.

The film:
The camera panned over a crowd of over 20,000 ViZionarians chanting “Death to the Murderer!” and waving ViZionarian flags.

Once the camera reached the center, where an opening was, the camera began zooming in. You could see Day Delain, surrounded by six men. Day was tied to two posts on either side of him, spread eagle.

Finally, the six men grabbed various different objects – three held spiked metal rods, three held whips with sharp, jagged pieces in them.

Quickly, they began to flog him. They hit him rapidly, seemingly being fired from a machine gun, they struck so quickly. You could hear the crowd going wild, cheering for this.

Soon, blood was everywhere, covering everything. A lake of red blood sat, growing below him. Blood splattered with every hit at this point, as his flesh was essentially eaten away, Day Delain being nothing more than a pulp of eaten up flesh, inners, and blood.

It had only been two minutes. But the flogging was finished. A very gruesome flooding that would be remembered from here on forward, and to set an example to all those who felt powerful connections could get them out of trouble.

The Holy Empire of Saint Fedski objects to the treatment of people. Public floggings, especially of such a brutal nature should be outlawed. I comdemn your act.


--Saint Fedski

The Holy Empire of Saint Fedski wishes to send a judicial team to ensure that a fair trial was given and that Day Delain was not used just to prove a point. I will provide transport and a security detail for my men.


--Saint Fedski
While ViZion does not play on having a foreign nation investigate into the trial, we can assure your nation that Day got a fair trial, and got one of the various punishments any person would recieve due to the extent of this crime.

The Holy Empire of Saint Fedski objects to the treatment of people. Public floggings, especially of such a brutal nature should be outlawed. I comdemn your act.


--Saint Fedski
While flogging is not the most common practice in ViZion, it is used in cases where teens or children were murdered gruesomely - like what happened with the two teenagers Day killed.

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Diplomatic Note - Praetonian Embassy, ViZion City ~ ViZionian Government

Dear Sir,

Although it is not our general policy to comment or attempt to interfere with the internal workings of the judicial and penal systems of foreign nations over matters such as this, it is disheartening to see that fellow democratic and supposedly civilised nations are indulging is such brutal and unnecessary public displays. It is the opinion both of the Government of Praetonia and, according to public polls, a great deal of the populace of this nation, that the punishment exacted upon the man in question was unnecessarily brutal and degrading, and appeared to be taken out of a lust for vengence rather than out of any higher goal of deterrent or protection of your nation's populace.

We feel that such displays not only smack of the pointless barbarity displayed by nations such as Generic Empire, Borman Empire, Roach-Busters and Doomginsland, but we feel that it undermines the position of our own nation is striving to safeguard the basic civil liberties of our own and foreign peoples. We do hope that such shocking displays will not be repeated by your nation, as they are not only unnecessary, but serve primarily to degrade the standing of the nation perpetrating such an act.

Yours Faithfully,

Camillus Lucundus,
Praetonian Ambassador to ViZion

After further protests by citizens and a lengthy debate with many senior members of the Government including the Prime Minister, The Minister of Law and Justice, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs not to mention highly respected Foreign Affairs advisors, human right's activists and the Superior Court of the Holy Empire of Saint Fedski, it is our duty to publically denounce your judicial system. However, privately we see where you are coming from but it is still unacceptable. Let you be warned that if such barbaric public executions continue, we will be forced to intervene.


--Saint Fedski

Diplomatic Note - Praetonian Embassy, ViZion City ~ ViZionian Government

Dear Sir,

Although it is not our general policy to comment or attempt to interfere with the internal workings of the judicial and penal systems of foreign nations over matters such as this, it is disheartening to see that fellow democratic and supposedly civilised nations are indulging is such brutal and unnecessary public displays. It is the opinion both of the Government of Praetonia and, according to public polls, a great deal of the populace of this nation, that the punishment exacted upon the man in question was unnecessarily brutal and degrading, and appeared to be taken out of a lust for vengence rather than out of any higher goal of deterrent or protection of your nation's populace.

We feel that such displays not only smack of the pointless barbarity displayed by nations such as Generic Empire, Borman Empire, Roach-Busters and Doomginsland, but we feel that it undermines the position of our own nation is striving to safeguard the basic civil liberties of our own and foreign peoples. We do hope that such shocking displays will not be repeated by your nation, as they are not only unnecessary, but serve primarily to degrade the standing of the nation perpetrating such an act.

Yours Faithfully,

Camillus Lucundus,
Praetonian Ambassador to ViZion
Camillus Lucundus,

We do fully understand where your nation comes from, and we assure you that such actions are rarely taken. However, the Judge who handed down his sentence felt it the best way to deal with him. As he stated,
We cannot allow those who feel they are above the law due to affiliations with powerful people get away with such terrible actions. This serves as a clear message that our country will not be corrupt in letting such people do whatever they wish without punishment. It is sad that I had to sentence such a young man, only 24 years old. However, he gruesomely murdered two teenagers after the the 18 year old man started fighting with Day due to Day's sexual assault upon Liesa.

We are sorry that this may have offended your country. However, our judge felt it necessary, and he had the power in this instance to do so.

Will Jefferson,

Ambassador to Praetonia

After further protests by citizens and a lengthy debate with many senior members of the Government including the Prime Minister, The Minister of Law and Justice, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs not to mention highly respected Foreign Affairs advisors, human right's activists and the Superior Court of the Holy Empire of Saint Fedski, it is our duty to publically denounce your judicial system. However, privately we see where you are coming from but it is still unacceptable. Let you be warned that if such barbaric public executions continue, we will be forced to intervene.


--Saint Fedski
ViZion warns you not to intervene. Flogging is among the least common sentences handed down to murderers, and it's usually reserved for those who gruesomely kill people.

Once again, do not intervene in our affairs with how we deal with murderers such as Day Delain.

Camillus Lucundus,

We do fully understand where your nation comes from, and we assure you that such actions are rarely taken. However, the Judge who handed down his sentence felt it the best way to deal with him. As he stated,
We cannot allow those who feel they are above the law due to affiliations with powerful people get away with such terrible actions. This serves as a clear message that our country will not be corrupt in letting such people do whatever they wish without punishment. It is sad that I had to sentence such a young man, only 24 years old. However, he gruesomely murdered two teenagers after the the 18 year old man started fighting with Day due to Day's sexual assault upon Liesa.

We are sorry that this may have offended your country. However, our judge felt it necessary, and he had the power in this instance to do so.

Will Jefferson,

Ambassador to Praetonia

Diplomatic Note - Praetonian Embassy, ViZion City ~ ViZionian Government

Dear Sir,

We understand and fully agree that those in power, or those with powerful friends, should not be treated any differently to anyone else. For this very reason, however, we think it wrong that merely because the person who committed this crime was related to someone in power they are then subject not only to the most horrific of executions, but also that they are subject to such an execution in public and in front of the world's television cameras.

This is, I'm sure you will agree, a massive overreaction to any crime. It is not the fact that you have punished someone severely for a vicious crime, but the way in which you have done it. There is no need to execute someone by bludgeoning them with maces and flaying them with whips, as if this were the Middle Ages, nor is there any need to do this in public and broadcast it. We feel that this degrades the legal system and turns it into mere theatre. Whilst we will admit this happens in other countries, we find it deeply hippocriful coming from a nation such as yours which has long spoken out in favour of the democratic system and the protection of civil rights.

Yours Faithfully,

Camillus Lucundus,
Praetonian Ambassador to ViZion

Camillus Lucundus,

Yes, I do see your point. And, I must add that while there were millions of ViZionarians in agreement with the punishment, there were just as many opposed to what has happened. President Delain has yet to make any statement regarding the issue, however.

Yes, ViZion has long been a champion of civil rights, fair treatment to civilians, and so forth. However, in the early days of ViZion, flogging to death in public was a common way to deal with murder and rape. It had then been banned. However, in recent years, flogging has once again become a legal option - publicly or not. In this case, it was done.

I do hope this does not harm ViZionarian relations with your great nation. And, as I have said, what has happened is extremely rare. I also wish to clear one thing up; The government did not record this and broadcast it, but rather a large number of ViZionarian news companies were the ones who had broadcasted this. And since that is under free speech, we simply could not disallow the broadcasting. Had this not been such a high-profile case, the news companies likely would have had far less interest, as well as the people.

Once again, I do hope this does not harm our relations, and I hope things will continue to improve between our countries. I look forward to speaking with you again.

Will Jefferson,

Ambassador to Praetonia

Diplomatic Note - Praetonian Embassy, ViZion City ~ ViZionian Government

Dear Sir,

I am aware that the ViZionian Government did not broadcast the event itself, but it would have been quite simple to have the execution take place, as in Praetonia, in prison away from the public gaze and by a humane method such as long drop haning or firing squad. Of course, people are only executed in Praetonia for High Treason, but we understand that other nations hold very strong views on the death penalty which I shall not attempt to argue.

As for harming relations - it would be a lie to say that this event has not lowered ViZion's standing in the estimation of His Majesty's Government - but I find it unlikely that this drop in standing would have any real effect on relations between our two nations. Should you have any further diplomatic matters to discuss, please do not hesitate to relay them through myself.

Yours Faithfully,

Camillus Lucundus,
Praetonian Ambassador to ViZion

OOC: I assume my government could learn of the diplomacy between your two nations, otherwise...I hacked it.

And this is all IC.

IC:
Official Imperial Communique:

To: Imported_ViZion
From: Chancellor Licinius

Tell Praetonia to fuck off. We may not see eye to eye all the time, or even stand on the same side, but we agree with your decision here.

End Transmission

We full-heartedly agree with ViZion on this! That murderer needed to be flogged and humiliated in front of all the world to show that ViZion will not tolerate that!

We congradulate ViZion on their action, and we wish to see them continue it in the future as a show of not allowing anyone get away with murder!

Scamptica Prime citezens crowded the TVs and Protest Squares watching or protesting the event.
Overall it was good for buisness and the people who make instant replays an etc. Billions was spent on stuffing the breaks with advertising and venders made many a fortune around public TVs. Sign factories also made extra money off protest signs.
We send our condolances for your President losing his son, but are also glad you punished him without letting him off anything.

A group of enraged ViZionarians are protesting public flogging, and are now working on a proposal to ban flogging - public or not.

[OOC: Borman - Technically the conversation was by means of notes passed between ambassadors, so you cant know it happened, but I dont really care so long as I can hack your diplomacy too =).]

Diplomatic Note - Praetonian Embassy, ViZion City ~ ViZionian Government

Dear Sir,

Quite evidently, states such as Borman Empire are not the best to listen to on matters such as these. They employ methods such as these largely to scare their unwilling populace into obedience, which ultimatly is the sign of an unstable state which is merely having several rather large and brutal plasters forced over the cracks. Their encouragement for your legislature to continue with such punishments is obviously simply their attempt to encourage more states to use such methods and in doing so make their own brutality appear dampened before the world and their own citizens.

Yours Faithfully,

Camillus Lucundus,
Praetonian Ambassador to ViZion

OOC: Sure

IC:

Official Imperial Communique:

To: Vizonarian government
From: Chancellor Licinius

Quite evidently we are the best to listen to because we're a better people and nation that Praetonia, in all aspects, including intelligence and politics. While it is true we employ these methods, it is not to "Scare our unwilling populace into obedience," and as such, there are no signs of an unstable state. If you do some research, you will find that Borman has one of the lowest crime rates in all the world. We punish crimes such as treason with much more harsh methods, and things such as manslaughter with torture like this. Other lesser crimes can end with anything from seization (sp?) of all capital and belongings to enslavement; we do not tolerate crime. Our populace very willingly supports this, since they are mostly not criminals. If you aren't a criminal, then why do you care if criminals get whats coming to them or not? Our own "Brutality" is a necessary step in creating ultimate security and safety from criminals throughout Borman. We only encourage you to do so, so as to better safeguard your own nation. You may choose not to, but if you do, you will find crime significantly less.

End Transmission