NationStates Jolt Archive

12 is needless as that already exists and is the reason that they sided with the liberals in the Civil War. We also request that the army be raised to 250,000 men and that the airforce be made up to 500 planes with no more than 5% being bombers of no more than two engines. We also point out that the citizens supported the King in the Civil War and that an elected official sits with him and has the same power. We will also allow the National Assembly to vote on who the next King/Queen will be from the formers heirs. heirs will have the right to renounce candidacy. The Fascist Party will be allowed to re-form as well as the Nationalist Party. we believe that incorporating more conservative partys will allow for the increase in the armed forces. We also reserve the right of the Spanish government to try any person who the Occupation claims is attempting to impede their opperations.

however the Chinese are in Vietnam, and did China promise Vietnam independence in 15 -30 years?

This is the US track record (in this RP)
The Filipinos for example know that they will have independence on July 4, 1945. The US has already given independence to Cuba (1902) and offered it to Puerto Rico (which chose to remain part of US) and offered it to Algeria and guaranteed it to Morocco and provided independence to Iceland and the Danish Virgin Islands. It also pulled out of Venezuela when it said it would as well. Which gives the US some advantages here.

My government turning democractic and not communist should speak for itself.

however the Chinese are in Vietnam, and did China promise Vietnam independence in 15 -30 years?


The Chinese agreed to an independent Vietnam when Laos and Cambodia were sold to them. Part of the deal was that China would help guarantee Vietnamese independence in the future.

12 is needless as that already exists and is the reason that they sided with the liberals in the Civil War. We also request that the army be raised to 250,000 men and that the airforce be made up to 500 planes with no more than 5% being bombers of no more than two engines. We also point out that the citizens supported the King in the Civil War and that an elected official sits with him and has the same power. We will also allow the National Assembly to vote on who the next King/Queen will be from the formers heirs. heirs will have the right to renounce candidacy. The Fascist Party will be allowed to re-form as well as the Nationalist Party. we believe that incorporating more conservative partys will allow for the increase in the armed forces. We also reserve the right of the Spanish government to try any person who the Occupation claims is attempting to impede their opperations.

the US will allow the expanded army and air force, but all other conditions we require acceptance immediately. Particularly the surrender of the forces that remain in the Balaeric islands. The US will also allow civil authority to operate as far as civil justice is concerned. However, any Spaniard taken in arms against the US after this surrender will be executed without trial. Spain either surrenders or it doesn't Guerilla operations will not be acceptable.

Needless to say the Spanish Army, Navy and Air Force will not be allowed to reform until after the war and occupation ends. All officers will remain as POWs until the war ends, or they give their parole and go into civilian life.

My government turning democractic and not communist should speak for itself.

then why not give Vietnam its independence now and pull out? The US and its allies will not enter Vietnam if it is given independenc, all Chinese and French forces leave the country and it declares its neutrality?

This of course makes its way to the world press.

then why not give Vietnam its independence now and pull out? The US and its allies will not enter Vietnam if it is given independenc, all Chinese and French forces leave the country and it declares its neutrality?

This of course makes its way to the world press.
This actually isn't such a bad idea. The Chinese and French could still trade with Vietnam, but would be relieved of the burden of defending it.

There may or may not be a production point loss to consider, however, and you'd be wise to check on that before agreeing.

ooc
Vietnam supplies 1 production point to China, which it could still do. Its production represents primarily resources like rice and rubber. Laos and Cambodia have no production value, and also have native dynasties.

It could still give them production as a neutral? That's right, I should be getting some from Romania. I forgot.

So there's no risk. Moskva will let Beijing and Paris both know that the Commissariat of International Affairs considers a Vietnamese constitutional monarchy under Bao Dai to be a wise move under the circumstances.

then why not give Vietnam its independence now and pull out? The US and its allies will not enter Vietnam if it is given independenc, all Chinese and French forces leave the country and it declares its neutrality?

This of course makes its way to the world press.

ooc
Vietnam supplies 1 production point to China, which it could still do. Its production represents primarily resources like rice and rubber. Laos and Cambodia have no production value, and also have native dynasties.

This has given the Chinese government much to think about and consider. Vietnamese leaders are invited to Beijing to discuss Vietnam's future, as well as ties of trade and resources with China.

Still the side of good wil prevail in the end and peace will be brought to the world.

Prime Minister Churchill.
Upon hearing this quote, Karl Radek, President of the Warsaw General Council, is heard to quip, "I'm surprised Mr. Churchill has so little confidence in himself. I had heard that he was arrogant."

ho ho ho. *chortle*

The French government is willing to step up the time-table for Vietnamese independence and allow them self-rule within the next year.

the US will allow the expanded army and air force, but all other conditions we require acceptance immediately. Particularly the surrender of the forces that remain in the Balaeric islands. The US will also allow civil authority to operate as far as civil justice is concerned. However, any Spaniard taken in arms against the US after this surrender will be executed without trial. Spain either surrenders or it doesn't Guerilla operations will not be acceptable.

Needless to say the Spanish Army, Navy and Air Force will not be allowed to reform until after the war and occupation ends. All officers will remain as POWs until the war ends, or they give their parole and go into civilian life.
We will accept.

We will accept.

ooc
hurray, and the rebuilding of a more economic stable and stronger Spain can begin. If you let the US occupy you without trouble it will almost certainly leave the moment the war ends, and in the meantime, modernize your industry and railroads.

Which isn't bad for losing the Canary Islands and a few square miles of Morocco. As to casualties, the US and Spain suffered about equal number against one another, with a slight US edge. And think how little power the Spanish Army will have to interfere in the democratic rule of Spain. A discredited army sure isn't going to be able to try to revolt again or stage a coup. Sorry that you got caught in the inevitable US vs Germany clash though

My orders for the Chinese Army for this or next turn is to have them occupy the oil fields in Burma, then do three things.

First, start extracting Burma oil for delivery to China.

Second, reorganize my troops there in the oil hex- should have 3 infantry corps and the HQ unit reorganized and ready to go after Rangoon.

Third, shift troops from Laos to Cambodia to help in defense.

Fourth, use my Navy to land the troops in Vietnam onto the mainland of Malaysia north of Singapore, then have my 2 troops attack Singapore during the British upgrades their infantry corps. I'm led to believe that during the upgrading process, the troop being upgraded cannot do anything.

Fifth, my Navy sets sail from Shanghai (This includes the 20 interned Russian subs, or 1 Sub Unit Counter) and picks up several more destroyers from Canton then set sail for Australia. Sink the Australian Home Fleet, then after the attack, begin raiding operations all along UK colonies in Indonesia, New Zealand, Australia, and Burma to cut off supplies.

Sixth, if any US ships approaches or threatens my Chinese ships, my ships have orders to avoid US vessels to minimize as much Chinese inflicted damage upon the US as possible.

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China is holding talks in Beijing to discuss possible independence for Vietnam, and the world press is invited to attend. In addition, observers from the United States, France, and Russia are invited as well to witness the discussion not being a sham or a hoax.

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Because it may become important soon.

Luxembourg – 442,972 (2004)
Alsace – 1,689,000 (1995)
Lorraine – 2,305,726 (1990)
Total – 4,437,698 (approximate 2000 estimated total)

The population of Luxembourg over the entire century nearly doubled, while the population of France increased by roughly half. If we assume that the population of E20’s Burgundy would increase by three-quarters over the century to, say, 4.5 million in 2000, then the 1900 population of the area later controlled by Burgundy would be approximately five eighths of 4.5 million, or roughly 2.8 million. The 1925 population would therefore be somewhat less than the quarter of the difference between 2.8 million and 4.5 million (1.7 million), or, for purposes of rounding, 3.2 million, minus a little less than a hundred thousand causalties for the recent Pandemic. I am also assuming that immigration has made up for casualties from the First Great War.

Thus, the population of Burgundy should be approximately 3.1 million.

According to this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9843788&postcount=459), therefore, the Burgundian Armed Forces should consist of a maximum of three ground and/or air units. Thus, the numbers given for the FAB (to use the French acronym) in this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9836068&postcount=173) may be regarded as somewhat inflated.

My orders for the Chinese Army for this or next turn is to have them occupy the oil fields in Burma, then do three things.

First, start extracting Burma oil for delivery to China.

Second, reorganize my troops there in the oil hex- should have 3 infantry corps and the HQ unit reorganized and ready to go after Rangoon.

Third, shift troops from Laos to Cambodia to help in defense.

you are adjacent to that hex at the beginning of the turn, but not in it yet. The resource points shown on the map do not count for this game, as some aren't there yet (like the Burmese and Saudi Arabian oil). Burma is worth a point, but you must take Rangoon to get it. If taken while defended, it will have to be repaired before it can be used.


Fourth, use my Navy to land the troops in Vietnam onto the mainland of Malaysia north of Singapore, then have my 2 troops attack Singapore during the British upgrades their infantry corps. I'm led to believe that during the upgrading process, the troop being upgraded cannot do anything.

Indochina is seperated from Malaya by the country of Siam. Which is neutral at the moment. You will have to march through Cambodia and then Siam to get to Malaya. Units cannot upgrade if adjacent to an enemy unit, which means when you do get adjacent to it, if it hasn't finished upgrading, it won't be able to and those points will be partially wasted (in the process of upgrading it goes from inf to motorized to mechanized, so even if it can't finish its upgrade to mechanized, it still might be a motorized unit).


Fifth, my Navy sets sail from Shanghai (This includes the 20 interned Russian subs, or 1 Sub Unit Counter) and picks up several more destroyers from Canton then set sail for Australia. Sink the Australian Home Fleet, then after the attack, begin raiding operations all along UK colonies in Indonesia, New Zealand, Australia, and Burma to cut off supplies.

Sixth, if any US ships approaches or threatens my Chinese ships, my ships have orders to avoid US vessels to minimize as much Chinese inflicted damage upon the US as possible.

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China is holding talks in Beijing to discuss possible independence for Vietnam, and the world press is invited to attend. In addition, observers from the United States, France, and Russia are invited as well to witness the discussion not being a sham or a hoax.

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It is time to make a decision, you want either the range to reach Australia, and based on your firepower and speed you will have to sacrifice protection, or you have to sacrifice range, and have protection (in which case you can't reach Australia). Warships have to be balanced, and based on the technology of the day you can't have high speed, big guns, lots of armor and lots of range. Most of the powers in this game are using historical ships, in which case I have data that tells me what they are capable of, but you designed your own, and I have only the data you posted.

So tell me which... armor or range?

:: A Japanese Officer approaches the Russian Lines with a white flag of truce, His name is Colonel Tojo and he is offering the Russians an Armistice::


I. Cessation of Artillery and small arms duels
II. Static Lines until the port of Vladivostok opens up for shipping and the Japanese Army is able to withdraw to Sakkalin and Hokkadio Island.
III. Allowance of Chinese Foodstuffs and Medical supplies, as well as adquate clothing supplies, all of which can be inspected by Russian Officers to reach the Japanese Army so their is no starvation in the field
IV. No scorched Earth Procedures will be used by the Japanese Army upon Russian Soil
V. All Japanese Held Russian POW's will be turned over when the weather Clears as well (they are being held on Hokkadio, something about holding POW's in the same climate they were captured in)
VI. Immediate Negotiations For a Permanent Peace Treaty.

Because it may become important soon.

Luxembourg – 442,972 (2004)
Alsace – 1,689,000 (1995)
Lorraine – 2,305,726 (1990)
Total – 4,437,698 (approximate 2000 estimated total)

The population of Luxembourg over the entire century nearly doubled, while the population of France increased by roughly half. If we assume that the population of E20’s Burgundy would increase by three-quarters over the century to, say, 4.5 million in 2000, then the 1900 population of the area later controlled by Burgundy would be approximately five eighths of 4.5 million, or roughly 2.8 million. The 1925 population would therefore be somewhat less than the quarter of the difference between 2.8 million and 4.5 million (1.7 million), or, for purposes of rounding, 3.2 million, minus a little less than a hundred thousand causalties for the recent Pandemic. I am also assuming that immigration has made up for casualties from the First Great War.

Thus, the population of Burgundy should be approximately 3.1 million.

According to this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9843788&postcount=459), therefore, the Burgundian Armed Forces should consist of a maximum of three ground and/or air units. Thus, the numbers given for the FAB (to use the French acronym) in this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9836068&postcount=173) may be regarded as somewhat inflated.

adjust the Burgundian armed forces by eliminating 2 of the motorized infantry corps. Remember also that most of the armed forces in the game at this point are mostly reservists, and that nearly all of the European neutrals mobilized at the start of the war. Incidently, HQ units do not count against corps and air units totals, as those people are already factored in (a corps isn't really 100,000 men, its more like 50-60,000, but the 100,000 figure counts lots of other people like those in training camps, logistics centers etc and its a convinient number to work with). Remember also that Switzerland and Sweden mobilize more than 10% of their population, as does Israel and South Africa during apaarthid, at the cost of wrecking their economy if prolonged. So the 4 corps figure could stand if Vas or Sharina decide that the Burgundians follow that model for self defense, with the provision that only 1 Burgundian corps can ever leave the country.

you are adjacent to that hex at the beginning of the turn, but not in it yet. The resource points shown on the map do not count for this game, as some aren't there yet (like the Burmese and Saudi Arabian oil). Burma is worth a point, but you must take Rangoon to get it. If taken while defended, it will have to be repaired before it can be used.

Hence me saying me taking the oilfield first THEN have all my attacking forces group up at the oilfield THEN march down towards Rangoon.

Besides, if I occupy the oilfield, that means no oil for the UK from that square when my units are in that square (or hex), common sense.

Indochina is seperated from Malaya by the country of Siam. Which is neutral at the moment. You will have to march through Cambodia and then Siam to get to Malaya. Units cannot upgrade if adjacent to an enemy unit, which means when you do get adjacent to it, if it hasn't finished upgrading, it won't be able to and those points will be partially wasted (in the process of upgrading it goes from inf to motorized to mechanized, so even if it can't finish its upgrade to mechanized, it still might be a motorized unit).

Actually, according to the World in Flames map here ( http://www.boardgamegeek.com/fullimage/95677 ), there *is* a hex to the northwest of Singapore, and two hexs to the west of Singapore that constitutes mainland Malaysia. Seeing that there are *no* British corps or forces occupying these three Malaysia hexes outside of Singapore, I can transfer my troops from Vietnam onto any of these three hexes of mainland Asia part of Malaysia.

That means my forces will be adjacent to Signapore, thus preventing the UK from upgrading its unit PLUS allows for my units to attack Singapore overland the following turn after reorganization.

It is time to make a decision, you want either the range to reach Australia, and based on your firepower and speed you will have to sacrifice protection, or you have to sacrifice range, and have protection (in which case you can't reach Australia). Warships have to be balanced, and based on the technology of the day you can't have high speed, big guns, lots of armor and lots of range. Most of the powers in this game are using historical ships, in which case I have data that tells me what they are capable of, but you designed your own, and I have only the data you posted.

So tell me which... armor or range?

Hmm. The US is able to sail the entire Pacific Ocean at this point in time, correct? This means the US warships are not able to be as armored according to the "Range OR Armor Sacrifice".

If I take Singapore (or Rangoon), then I'll be able to extend my range somewhat to reach the rest of British held Indochina.

Thus, until I acquire Rangoon and Singapore, I will remain with the armor concept but have my warships conduct raids on UK shipping, but withdraw immediately once US ships are sighted. I order my Chinese Navy to avoid combat with the US fleet.

:: A Japanese Officer approaches the Russian Lines with a white flag of truce, His name is Colonel Tojo and he is offering the Russians an Armistice::


I. Cessation of Artillery and small arms duels
II. Static Lines until the port of Vladivostok opens up for shipping and the Japanese Army is able to withdraw to Sakkalin and Hokkadio Island.
III. Allowance of Chinese Foodstuffs and Medical supplies, as well as adquate clothing supplies, all of which can be inspected by Russian Officers to reach the Japanese Army so their is no starvation in the field
IV. No scorched Earth Procedures will be used by the Japanese Army upon Russian Soil
V. All Japanese Held Russian POW's will be turned over when the weather Clears as well (they are being held on Hokkadio, something about holding POW's in the same climate they were captured in)
VI. Immediate Negotiations For a Permanent Peace Treaty.
General Voroshilov, commander of the Red Army in the Far East, salutes the Japanese as the most most fearsome and terrible opponent that Moskva has faced since the days of the Great Khan himself, and further comments that it is well for Russia that such mighty foes have elected to serve no longer the purposes of Washington. He further accepts all terms in the name of the Union, and adds that a diplomat from Moskva may be expected to arrive shortly to commence negotiations for a permanent peace.

Hence me saying me taking the oilfield first THEN have all my attacking forces group up at the oilfield THEN march down towards Rangoon.

Besides, if I occupy the oilfield, that means no oil for the UK from that square when my units are in that square (or hex), common sense.



Actually, according to the World in Flames map here ( http://www.boardgamegeek.com/fullimage/95677 ), there *is* a hex to the northwest of Singapore, and two hexs to the west of Singapore that constitutes mainland Malaysia. Seeing that there are *no* British corps or forces occupying these three Malaysia hexes outside of Singapore, I can transfer my troops from Vietnam onto any of these three hexes of mainland Asia part of Malaysia.

That means my forces will be adjacent to Signapore, thus preventing the UK from upgrading its unit PLUS allows for my units to attack Singapore overland the following turn after reorganization.



Hmm. The US is able to sail the entire Pacific Ocean at this point in time, correct? This means the US warships are not able to be as armored according to the "Range OR Armor Sacrifice".

If I take Singapore (or Rangoon), then I'll be able to extend my range somewhat to reach the rest of British held Indochina.

Thus, until I acquire Rangoon and Singapore, I will remain with the armor concept but have my warships conduct raids on UK shipping, but withdraw immediately once US ships are sighted. I order my Chinese Navy to avoid combat with the US fleet.


in short, yes... American battleships sacrifice speed for range, protection and firepower. British battleships sacrifice protection for range, protection and firepower etc. German battleships have poor range but exceptional protection. In short, the equation balances.

Incidently, if you read the LTA forces posts, you will notice that American ships are always spefically listed as to where their bases are located. I have not posted yet what US ships are going to do this turn but this what they are going to do. A number of ships are going to move from the US East Coast to Pearl Harbor via the Panama Canal, which will take up most of their turn. Next turn (Jan) they are capable of reaching Manila from Hawaii, as well as the South and North China Seas, and returning to Pearl Harbor should they wish to. Read about the operations of US carriers during World War II, this is well within US capabilities, as the US Navy, and to a lesser extent the British and Japanese navies, are able to refuel at sea. No ONE ELSE CAN. They invented the technique in the early 1920s, and no one else used it until after World War II, and earlier in the military thread (over two months ago) I posted that the US and British and Japanese were using that in secret. Nobody commented on it, so your navy cannot do so, unless the Japanese teach you how.



Once again, as stated when I originally posted the map link. The World in Flames map shows the World as of 1939 in our timeline. Events have superceded it for one thing and it is 1926 for another. Burma oil doesn't exist yet. Nor does oil in Saudi Arabia for example. Plus the resource points that are shown on the WIF map do not match what we are using because that map is set 15 years in the future at the time this war started.

Most importantly though. I POSTED DO NOT CONSIDER THE RESOURCES LISTED AS ACCURATE FOR THIS RP.

Finally, you cannot get to Malaya without either A) building an amphibous unit so you can actually invade it by sea, or B) marching all the way through Siam to get to Malaya. Indochina DOESN'T share a common border with Malaya, so you have to get there.

in short, yes... American battleships sacrifice speed for range, protection and firepower. British battleships sacrifice protection for range, protection and firepower etc. German battleships have poor range but exceptional protection. In short, the equation balances.

Incidently, if you read the LTA forces posts, you will notice that American ships are always spefically listed as to where their bases are located. I have not posted yet what US ships are going to do this turn but this what they are going to do. A number of ships are going to move from the US East Coast to Pearl Harbor via the Panama Canal, which will take up most of their turn. Next turn (Jan) they are capable of reaching Manila from Hawaii, as well as the South and North China Seas, and returning to Pearl Harbor should they wish to. Read about the operations of US carriers during World War II, this is well within US capabilities, as the US Navy, and to a lesser extent the British and Japanese navies, are able to refuel at sea. No ONE ELSE CAN. They invented the technique in the early 1920s, and no one else used it until after World War II, and earlier in the military thread (over two months ago) I posted that the US and British and Japanese were using that in secret. Nobody commented on it, so your navy cannot do so, unless the Japanese teach you how.



Once again, as stated when I originally posted the map link. The World in Flames map shows the World as of 1939 in our timeline. Events have superceded it for one thing and it is 1926 for another. Burma oil doesn't exist yet. Nor does oil in Saudi Arabia for example. Plus the resource points that are shown on the WIF map do not match what we are using because that map is set 15 years in the future at the time this war started.

Most importantly though. I POSTED DO NOT CONSIDER THE RESOURCES LISTED AS ACCURATE FOR THIS RP.

Finally, you cannot get to Malaya without either A) building an amphibous unit so you can actually invade it by sea, or B) marching all the way through Siam to get to Malaya. Indochina DOESN'T share a common border with Malaya, so you have to get there.

First, I will accept the US, Britain and Japan having the ability to extend range with their mid-sea refueling, and their sacrifices of armor for range.

However, what would you say the range for my Chinese vessels are? I have bases in Cambodia and Vietnam (Vietnam for the time being) that can resupply my ships and provide them with the range to reach at least the Dutch East Indies. Once I capture Singapore and Rangoon, I'll be able to extend the range of my ships to cover British shipping routes between India and the rest of British colonies in Asia and possibly Australia.


Second, you say the oil isn't there. I can accept "Oil not discovered yet" but the fact remains that the oil itself *has* been there in Burma, Saudi Arabia, and wherever else in the world for millions of years.


Finally, there *are* empty hexes in Malaysia where I can land my troops without need of amphibious assault. You do not need amphibious stuff to land on undefended beaches.

Here's an image of what I'm talking about. The hexes adjacent to Singapore aren't defended as there is only 1 British Infantry Corps in Singapore undergoing upgrading.

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/4756/evidence10ig.png

First, I will accept the US, Britain and Japan having the ability to extend range with their mid-sea refueling, and their sacrifices of armor for range.

until you tell me whether you are sacrificing either range or protection I do not know what your range is.

Examples of LTA vs Pact heavy ships
HMS Hood (battlecruiser) with 15 inch guns, average protection, high speed and decent range works out to be a firepower of 4, and protection of 4, and speed rating of 6, and a range of 4 sea areas (which are on the map)

German Battlecruiser Mackenson same guns and speed, more armor, less range has a firepower of 4, protection of 5, speed of 6, and a range of 3 sea areas.

USS West Virginia (battleships) with 16 inch guns.. firepower 5, protection five, speed of 3, but a range of 5 sea areas.

USS Raleigh (light cruisers) firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6 sea areas.

Japanese light cruiser firepower 1, protection 0 speed 7 range 6 sea areas (smaller ship)

USS Lexington (a converted battlecruiser) as designed this battlecruiser class would have had a firepower of 5 protection of 2, speed of 7 and range of 6 sea areas, as a carrier the firepower is 0 (carries planes) while retaining protection, speed and range.

See how it works? These are historical ships, so I have something to work with. That is why I must have information on which you are sacrificing.

Another example
German battleships have a protection of 9! but a range of only 2 sea areas. plus a firepower of 5 and a speed of 3.

So I know the size, speed and firepower of your ships.. your battleships have a firepower of 5, and speed of 4. However, protection and range are not know.. could be anywhere from 3 to 8 for protection and from 2 to 5 in range. depends on what your are aiming for. You built them to protect your coasts, so I am guessing higher protection (say an 8) and only 2 sea areas of range. But pick now.

Finally, there *are* empty hexes in Malaysia where I can land my troops without need of amphibious assault. You do not need amphibious stuff to land on undefended beaches.
I think you need an amphibious unit simply in order to land in any hex you don't own.

As it happens, I have a spare amphibious assault corps at Sevastopol. I was going to send it to France in December, but one more last-minute revision of my strategic moves and I could send to China, instead.

Second, you say the oil isn't there. I can accept "Oil not discovered yet" but the fact remains that the oil itself *has* been there in Burma, Saudi Arabia, and wherever else in the world for millions of years.


Finally, there *are* empty hexes in Malaysia where I can land my troops without need of amphibious assault. You do not need amphibious stuff to land on undefended beaches.

Here's an image of what I'm talking about. The hexes adjacent to Singapore aren't defended as there is only 1 British Infantry Corps in Singapore undergoing upgrading.

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/4756/evidence10ig.png


remember, amphibious troops do not just include the troops, but also landing craft. No landing craft, no amphibious landings.

Also I indicated that all coastal hexes have a notational defense of 1, but if you can get a 12:1 you can get an automatic victory (say an amphibious unit worth 6 points, plus 6 battleships or 60 cruisers and destroyers, and that works out to be 6 points ground plus 6 points of naval gunfire, or 12:1

its doable, but you have to spend the resources and time to get what you want, and it does require advanced planning. Note in the US builds in 1924 that the US built 2 amphibious units, as did Japan, and Australia, and they conducted the landings in France and Siberia (and the Japanese landed on a beach defended by 2 Russian corps and died clearing the way).

The Soviets invaded Sakkalin without an amphibious unit as it is shown on the map as being essentially connected.

So in the game, during this war, everyone has used amphibious units to make amphibious invasions, then once a port is captured, landing their troops via the ports.

The oil as a developed resource doesn't exist in the context of the game, remember I said way back in the economics thread that oil discoveries are market generated, but also require the extraction technology. Burmese oil doesn't exist as far as anyone knows yet because the geological survey and capital needed to sink not only test wells, but also the wells for a developed oil field have not yet occured.

Burma is worth 1 point however, lots of rice and other raw materials, and if the capital is captured, the Burmese national economy can be harnessed for exploitation by the owner of Burma.

Okay, thanks for your clarification GB. I was under the impression that I could use my 3 shipping units to transport 3 corps onto the undefended Malaysian hexes. I assumed this as in most strategy games- Empire Earth, Age of Empires, Civilization, Rise of Nations, etc. you could offload your troops easily onto beaches with no garrisons or enemy forces present off troop transports (of which I'm supposed to have 3 from my 3 shipping units- 2 Chinese and 1 from interned Russian/German/France shipping that fled to China at the outbeak of our WW2).

However, out of interest of fairness, I am willing to accept amphibious-required to take Singapore.

As for my battleships and naval vessels, I'm unsure which combination to go for.

3 Range and 7 Defense?

OR

2 Range and 8 Defense?


Once that's resolved, then I think our issues are pretty much fixed.

As for the oil thing, that's okay by me. My orders still stand- I want to assemble my forces at the oilfield hex (allow any stragglers to catch up) then march my 3 corps and HQ down to Rangoon on the main roads (which are supposed to help movement in most strategy games, IIRC) as a cohesive unit. Then attack Rangoon and hopefully win Burma.

:November December 1925

Allied First Phase France
2 US 9 point mechanized corps move into the French resource hex adjacent to Rouen. 2 US 9 point mechanized corps move adjacent to Paris (southeast of the resource hex). 2 US 8 point mechanized corps move adjacent to Vichy (northwest of it). 2 US 8 point mechanized corps move to the hex southwest of Paris forming a front of 4 hexes across running from the coast to next to Vichy. The US HQ at Brest moves to St. Malo.

2 UK 9 point mechanized corps move adjacent (west) of Vichy. 2 UK 8 point mechanized corps move to the hex marked by the fist. 2 UK mechanized corps move to the hex southeast of the fist hex.. British HQ at Nantes move to the hex directly east of the Nantes resource hex. Canadian HQ at St. Nazaire moves to the resource hex.

South African mechanized corps drives south, reaching the hex east of Bordeaux. British infantry at St. Nazaire moves to La Rochelle (opening up yet another supply port for the Allies). 2 UK 7 point infantry advance south and reach hex south of La Rochelle. British HQ at Lorient moves to Nantes.

The Australian and Canadian amphibious units remain in place for a strategic move later in the turn.

Now it’s time for the air units to do something and for the Allies to figure out what they are going to attack, if anything.. The Americans have decided to attack the hex between Paris and Rouen as winter weather has eliminated the defensive bonus for rivers. The Allies have decided not to attack Vichy yet, as the major city will still double the defenders strength and the opportunity to use maneuver next phase and cut the Pact of is cheaper.

The Allies commit 4 UK and US bombers and 3 UK and American fighters to attack the Pact forces between Paris and Rouen. It’s a critical hex, so the Pact is forced to consider committing both French fighters. The French fighters have a combined strength of 12, while the Americans and British fighters have a combined strength of 18 (a plus 6 advantage). This means the almost certain loss of both French fighters for little chance of inflicting damage, so the French decide not to intercept.

Although halved, the Allied bombers each have a 1 out of 6 chance of disorganizing each corps in that hex. 2 ones are rolled on the German corps, disorganizing it. This will give the Allies an attack advantage, although it required most of the Allied air force in France to do it. The Americans have 36 points of attack strength, versus 12 Pact points (1 French 6 point corps, 1 German 6 point corps which is disorganized). A 3:1+1. (modified to a 2:1 +1 because of the winter weather) on the mobile combat table (more likely a retreat result with less chance of Allied losses, while assault table is bloodier). The Allied roll isn’t all that good, a 6 which becomes a 7, and the 2 Pact units are forced to retreat to the hex northeast of Paris (both are disorganized). All four American corps are also disorganized as well. The Americans elect not to take the hex, not being interested in being attacked from 3 hexes if they take the hex while they are disorganized. The assault isn’t particularly successful in other words.

The Allies use the American and the both British HQs to reorganize all four American corps and all five Allied aircraft so that they can act again this turn. (leaving the Canadian HQ available for later use).

The British use 2 strategic moves (by sea) to move the Canadian and Australian amphibious units from France to Aden to act as a general strategic reserve for the Mideast, India and Southeast Asia. (as they can’t make any amphibious landings in Europe until at least March).

IC explanation
Allied forces in France advance deep into France, reaching the Seine Line, where the frozen river doesn’t act as a barrier. An American attack, supported by nearly 2000 aircraft, drives back a combined army of French and German divisions, but the Americans decide not to advance into the area, unwilling to face the inevitable counterattack but forcing the Pact to plug the hole or face inevitable an American advance and possible attack against Paris, Rouen or even Lille. The Americans are trying to get the Pact to use up their reserves, and have had only limited success.

Elsewhere, British forces overrun La Rochelle and reach the outskirts of Bordeaux and Vichy, threatening to cut off two entire Pact army groups deployed near the Pyrenees and Alps.

Allied First Phase Italy
The Allies decide not to leave their positions as the heavy rain makes attacking difficult, supply a chore and the risk of losses for little gain is not worth the risk.

Allied First Phase Spain
The Americans move an 8 point mechanized corps to Saragossa, while 2 US 8 point corps move out of Madrid into the mountain hex northeast of Madrid (the mud is being a problem in Spain for the Allies). The Spanish government surrenders, and the last Spanish forces surrender with it. Allied occupation forces move into the Balearics as well.

An American mechanized corps near Cartegna is strategically moved (by rail) to Madrid, as is a Portuguese infantry corps. (using both of the Spanish strategic moves). 2 US fighter units at Lisbon are strategically moved by sea to Dover (using 2 British naval strategic moves, leaving 6 left for Britain).

IC explanation
Allied forces in Spain and Italy struggle with the heavy rains and combat operations in Italy are postponed, while the movement of American armies to the French border is delayed.

Allied First phase at sea and Far East
The large numbers of available Pact submarines mean that Allied naval forces continue to escort convoys in the Atlantic and nearby waters. Nearly 600 Allied escorts (destroyers, subchasers and corvettes), along with 3 light carriers to provide support to particularly embattted convoys, are available to escort millions of tons of Allied shipping. Everyone is needed, as the Pact has close to 200 submarines either under construction or operational, and the fighting at sea, which had undergone a lull for the last few months, heats up again. (ooc, results when the Pact gets their turn).

The US 7th Fleet leaves Norfolk and steams via the Panama Canal to the Pacific, reaching Pearl Harbor on Christmas Day. The US 1st Fleet out of Gibraltar steams across the Atlantic to the Caribbean and via the Panama Canal reaches San Diego (US West Coast) just before Christmas, providing the fire support fleet for the Marines being shipped to the West Coast. The US also use a strategic move (rail) to ship their amphibious unit on the US East Coast to the US West Coast.

The British send 2 carriers, 1 battle cruiser, plus the Colombian battlecruiser, 10 light cruisers and 20 destroyers to Aden, to act as a mobile reserve in case the Chinese decide to enter the Indian Ocean. Although this seriously weakens the British Home Fleet, but 8 British battleships will be leaving American East coast dockyards in January, which will be available to rejoin the Home Fleet or be deployed elsewhere. This is viewed as adequate, especially as the Pact navies don’t have any operational battleships at the moment in the North Sea.

In the Pacific, the US Pacific Fleet and the Australian Home Fleet link form up together at the American anchorage at Truk lagoon. US escort of Japanese shipping is immediately suspended beyond the Philippines and Guam (although Japanese merchant ships are allowed to continue to benefit from US escort elsewhere in the Pacific).

US military officers who were cooperating with Japanese military officers in Japan are recalled and reassigned.

American submarines take up positions to protect Malaya. All American submarines are recalled from the Atlantic and they too stream through the Panama Canal and reach the West Coast (for further deployment next turn).

Allied First Phase India Theater
The Indian mechanized corps at Dacca moves into the mountain hex directly east in order to block a Chinese advance into India. A British rail strategic movement in India shifts another mechanized corps from Delhi to Dacca. The British garrison of Rangoon is shifted by sea to Singapore, leaving Rangoon undefended at the moment but concentrating at the critical point of Singapore. Another British strategic move shifts a South African corps from South Africa to Kuala Lumpur.

IC
The Chinese attack on the Australian squadron off Malaya, and the Japanese armistice with the Pact destabilizes what had been a relatively quiet area of the world. With Chinese warships able to threaten Malaya, the Dutch East Indies and the Philippines, the Allies are forced to make a massive shift in naval deployments. Luckily, the Pact fleets in the Atlantic are mostly in ruins,

9 Allied carriers, several battleships, and dozens of cruisers and destroyers are sent to the Pacific or Indian Ocean, along with every available American submarine. In addition, the US Marines, recovering from France, are shipped to the US West Coast to prepare for a new enemy. The Australians and Canadians, also veterans of landings in France, are sent to Ceylon for similar reasons.

Even though the Chinese have invaded Burma but have not yet invaded Malaya, the British and Indian high commands decide that Singapore and Malaya is more vital, and decide to reinforce the Indian border and Malaya with South African and Indian troops, hoping that they can retake Rangoon later should the Chinese take it, or reinforce it if the Chinese fail to reach it for some reason.

Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet returns to their home ports, and the Japanese Army in Siberia reaches an armistice with the Russians and discusses a withdrawal once the weather allows the ports to return to operation.

As for my battleships and naval vessels, I'm unsure which combination to go for.

3 Range and 7 Defense?

OR

2 Range and 8 Defense?


Once that's resolved, then I think our issues are pretty much fixed.

As for the oil thing, that's okay by me. My orders still stand- I want to assemble my forces at the oilfield hex (allow any stragglers to catch up) then march my 3 corps and HQ down to Rangoon on the main roads (which are supposed to help movement in most strategy games, IIRC) as a cohesive unit. Then attack Rangoon and hopefully win Burma.

I can't honestly make the recommendation to you. I suggest looking at the map and deciding or getting help from your Allies. I know what I want you to choose. Also note Allied movements this turn.

The lines that look like roads are actually rail roads, except for the Burma Road, which is a road (and historically doesn't exist yet, but China has plenty of manpower and the incentive to build it. Roads don't affect movement in this game, its too big a scale. Nobody really has good roads at this point, not even autobahns and US highways have been built yet. I am treating the Burma road as a clear hex for your tracing of supply, otherwise invading Burma would even harder than it is already.

Incidently, you shouild be able to set up a puppet government in Burma once Rangoon falls (very likely). The Burmese didn't much like the British, and they don't like you much, but they are very willing to be the weed that bends in the wind.

Mr Churchill makes a public appeal to the Japanese government to clarify their reasons for signing a peace treaty with the Union. He wishes to understand why the Japanese have willingly given up land that they have fought and died for especially as they had the Pact forces wrongfooted and on the brink of defeat and that their allies had made huge gains in the European and African theatres as well as holding off advances in the Indian subcontinent. Perhaps the Japanese people no longer believe in the cause that drove them to this rightious crusade against the godless communists or maybe they are content to sit the rest of the war out safely.

Britain will not judge our Japanese allies on this matter for history will do that for us. It is just that the British people will wonder what prompted this sudden change of heart and the government would like to answer them.

OOC: usual disclaimer, above message may contain propaganda/embellishments of the truth/downright lies and is only meant as an IC response and nothing else. I take no responsibilities for any mistakes that Churchill may have included in his message. (!)

The center-left coalition governing Moscow has collapsed. Premier Bukharin, already increasingly marginalized by the Supreme Council as a result of the many disasters of his tenure, has been compelled to for new elections in late December. Russian voters, subjected to a barrage of comflicting patriotic exhortations, desert the centrist parties in favor of the radical factions of both left and right. The Social Democrats emerge as the strongest single party, with the Socialist Revolutionaries and the anti-Semitic right-wing Constitutional Unionists polling second and third, respectively. But the SDs and SRs, again in combination with gutted Labor Party,are able to form a supermajority coalition, propelling the relatively unknown Social Democrat Sergei Kirov to the leadership as a compromise candidate (Kirov is one of the surprisingly few high-ranking SDs who's not Jewish, and the Left Victory Coalition fears an uprising by the right wing if they put forward a Jew as Premier).

Meanwhile, with the resignation of the Union's "Tsarist" Naval Chief of Staff, Marshal Trotsky's last major Russian rival on the Revolutionary High Command has now been removed, and he takes immediate steps to complete the reformation and streamlining of the Pact command structure. OoC, I am informing Galveston Bay that my orders for the Pact (not including China, except for their submarines which still have Russian crews and commanders) now take precedence over anyone else's in case of a conflict, unless another Pact player explicitly states that he is defying me. Yes, I'm declaring myself dictator. If you don't like it, try surrendering.

A political cartoon appears in Moscow's major daily paper, the Krasnaya Zvezda. It shows Uncle Sam rattling a saber at the Japanese Emperor while standing on the back of a dead Native American labelled "American Promises." Between Uncle Sam and the Emperor stands Winston Chruchill, saying, "Come on, you damned wogs, why won't you fight for us?"

OOC:does this mean i'm not theatre commander anymore?

China decides on 2 range and 8 defense for its warships.

Additional orders for China:

1. China redeploys its forces from Vietnam to Cambodia upon Vietnamese independence.

2. China continues to attack Burma and drives upon Rangoon with its 3 corps and 1 HQ unit.

3. China orders its Navy to Formosa under a white flag. The Chinese fleet is to be moved to Formosa and remain there with the Japanese for the duration of the war in light of 9 allied carriers threatening to wreck the Chinese fleet. China acquires this information through rumors, intelligence services, and such about a massive fleet redeployment (redeployment on such a scale can't exactly be held a secret)

4. China switches its builds somewhat to the following...

84 total points.

3 Factories = 36 points
2 HQ units = 12 points
4 Garrison units (1 to Tienstin, 1 to Cambodia, and 2 to Rangoon upon Rangoon's capture) = 12 points

On the next build, I am unsure what to go for...

6 fighters = 24 points

OR

12 Infantry Corps = 24 points

Could someone help me out on that?

6 fighters

Meanwhile, with the resignation of the Union's "Tsarist" Naval Chief of Staff, Marshal Trotsky's last major Russian rival on the Revolutionary High Command has now been removed, and he takes immediate steps to complete the reformation and streamlining of the Pact command structure. OoC, I am informing Galveston Bay that my orders for the Pact (not including China, except for their submarines which still have Russian crews and commanders) now take precedence over anyone else's in case of a conflict, unless another Pact player explicitly states that he is defying me. Yes, I'm declaring myself dictator. If you don't like it, try surrendering.

ooc
how very Russian of you (chuckle)

Speaking of which, my first countermand is to separate the Russian subs from the Chinese fleet and have them steam up to Port Arthur, where they will be packed up and brought back to Europe.

What is the exact balance of Naval units in the Pacific?

What is the exact balance of Naval units in the Pacific?

its in flux at the moment... the Chinese have 20 heavy cruisers, 60 heavy destroyers, 240 torpedo boats available, plus those 20 Russian submarines. The Chinese also have 2 battleships that need repairs at Canton.

The US has 30 submarines based out of the Philippines, plus the Australians and Americans have assembled 13 light cruisers and 30 destroyers in the Caroline Islands (Truk lagoon). However, two large US fleets are on their way... 6 carriers, 10 heavy cruisers, 10 light cruisers, 60 destroyers that will be in Pearl Harbor at the start of next turn (and can reach anywhere in the Pacific including the South China Sea) and another fleet of 4 battleships, 5 light cruisers, 20 destroyers plus an amphibious unit that will be in San Diego at the start of the turn (and can reach the Philippines from there). In addition, 40 more US submarines are en route.
All of this passes through the Panama Canal in November and December.

The British have sent 2 carriers, 1 Battlecruiser, 10 light cruisers and 20 destroyers to Aden (the mouth of the Red Sea) which can reach anywhere in the Indian Ocean including Singapore next turn, plus a pair of amphibious units. The US and Britian have already or will shortly reinforce Manila and Singapore (the British sacrificing Burma to do that) and the Indians have already strengthened their eastern border.

The situation is in flux. Although your amphibious unit can reach a Chinese port this turn, it won't be able to go anywhere until next turn. By that point the Allies can intercept any attempted landings and reinforce by sea anything they desire.

The Chinese have occupied British Hong Kong and Portuguese Macao, and destroyed a Royal Australian squadron of 1 battle cruiser and 10 destroyers (oddly enough, the Repulse dies off Singapore in this war as well as the historical one). The Australians lost 4,000 men at sea, and would be furious I would think. Mostly at China as the attack came only minutes after the declaration of war and before it had time to reach the Australian squadron.

Speaking of which, my first countermand is to separate the Russian subs from the Chinese fleet and have them steam up to Port Arthur, where they will be packed up and brought back to Europe.

that will take one strategic move, and they become available in March 1926. Incidently, your Admirals want more submarines, losses are higher than expected.

its in flux at the moment... the Chinese have 20 heavy cruisers, 60 heavy destroyers, 240 torpedo boats available, plus those 20 Russian submarines. The Chinese also have 2 battleships that need repairs at Canton.

The US has 30 submarines based out of the Philippines, plus the Australians and Americans have assembled 13 light cruisers and 30 destroyers in the Caroline Islands (Truk lagoon). However, two large US fleets are on their way... 6 carriers, 10 heavy cruisers, 10 light cruisers, 60 destroyers that will be in Pearl Harbor at the start of next turn (and can reach anywhere in the Pacific including the South China Sea) and another fleet of 4 battleships, 5 light cruisers, 20 destroyers plus an amphibious unit that will be in San Diego at the start of the turn (and can reach the Philippines from there). In addition, 40 more US submarines are en route.
All of this passes through the Panama Canal in November and December.

The British have sent 2 carriers, 1 Battlecruiser, 10 light cruisers and 20 destroyers to Aden (the mouth of the Red Sea) which can reach anywhere in the Indian Ocean including Singapore next turn, plus a pair of amphibious units. The US and Britian have already or will shortly reinforce Manila and Singapore (the British sacrificing Burma to do that) and the Indians have already strengthened their eastern border.

The situation is in flux. Although your amphibious unit can reach a Chinese port this turn, it won't be able to go anywhere until next turn. By that point the Allies can intercept any attempted landings and reinforce by sea anything they desire.

The Chinese have occupied British Hong Kong and Portuguese Macao, and destroyed a Royal Australian squadron of 1 battle cruiser and 10 destroyers (oddly enough, the Repulse dies off Singapore in this war as well as the historical one). The Australians lost 4,000 men at sea, and would be furious I would think. Mostly at China as the attack came only minutes after the declaration of war and before it had time to reach the Australian squadron.
So, the Chinese could theoretically attack the Truk, Philippine, or Caroline squadrons with superior force this turn, then run for cover next turn?

If they do run for cover this turn instead, I'm aware that separating and moving the subs will take a strategic move. Since the Chinese can't make use of my amphibious unit, I may as well make use of my subs.

More subs are already being built by the Germans. As far as I'm concerned, Russian production for January and February is locked in. I may start building more subs next turn, though.

If I use a cadre system for training, can I rush production on submarines?

Also, Rumania said he was willing to construct Submarines for me. How much would that get me?

So, the Chinese could theoretically attack the Truk, Philippine, or Caroline squadrons with superior force this turn, then run for cover next turn?

If they do run for cover this turn instead, I'm aware that separating and moving the subs will take a strategic move. Since the Chinese can't make use of my amphibious unit, I may as well make use of my subs.

More subs are already being built by the Germans. As far as I'm concerned, Russian production for January and February is locked in. I may start building more subs next turn, though.

If I use a cadre system for training, can I rush production on submarines?

if the Allied fleet is willing to seek battle, yes they could get an engagement. Its at the far edge of their range (2 sea areas) but they could get there. However, if the Allied ships stay in port, they are safe as the Chinese don't have any carriers to hit ships anchored in a defended base (and Truk is a defended base.. see earlier comments on that... surface ships cannot attack ships in a port, only aircraft can do that).

Of course the Americans and Australians might just seek battle anyway.

incidently, all warships are assumed to be manned by a cadre of experienced officers and petty officers, along with a bunch of newly trained sailors. Its pretty standard in wartime for new construction. So sub production and all other naval production takes the allotted time. The US advantage in carrier construction comes from the fact that the US trained more naval aviators then anyone else (combined), and could build ships faster than anyone else.

Pact First Phase War at Sea
The Pact sends out 40 Russian and 80 German submarines to attack Allied convoys in the Atlantic. It is a costly two months at sea, as 180,000 tons of Allied shipping are lost, as well as the British light carrier Argus, 8 destroyers and 10 subchasers and corvettes. The Allies kill 10 Russian submarines and 13 German submarines in exchange however.

In the Mediterranean, the last sizeable Pact surface fleet is scuttled and the naval personnel and what guns that can be moved are evacuated by rail to Calais.

Losses
10 Russian and 13 German submarines (23 total) plus the French Mediterranean Fleet of 2 battleships, several cruisers, over a score of destroyers and 40 misc support ships.

180,000 tons of Allied shipping plus 1 light carrier and 18 escorts

Pact First Phase Far East
In Burma, 1 Chinese 5 point infantry corps remains at the hex northeast of the resource hex (so that supply can continue to be traced through it as the Indians are next door in the mountains). The other corps moves into the resource hex. The HQ moves to Mandalay, as does the other Chinese infantry corps, which then moves into the jungle hex north of Rangoon (which disorganizes it). The Chinese HQ then reorganizes it so that it can move into Rangoon next phase.

The Chinese Navy steams to Taiwan where it is apparently interned.

Pact First Phase France and Spain and Italy
In Italy, having completed the shipment of most of the industrial equipment in Venice out of the country, the Pact falls back north further into the mountains. 2 German 5 point Alpine corps take up positions in Brenner pass, blocking it thoroughly (2 hexes southwest of Munich). 4 Russian 5 point infantry corps take up positions in the Trieste hex and the mountain hex northwest of it, blocking any Allied move to the east. The Yugoslavs keep two corps (5 and 4 points) in Pola, while the Russians keep their headquarters in the hex due east of Trieste.

This frees up 2 German HQs, 1 German 5 point Alpine unit (which is now in Munich), 3 Russian ( 1 x 7 and 2 x 6) point mechanized corps (stacked with the Russian HQ, or in the hex directly east of it), plus the Yugoslav Home Forces

Yugoslav fleet 1 light ship (Zara)
Yugoslav home forces: 2 Yugoslav 5 point Alpine Corps (Greek border), 2 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 HQ (Sarajevo)

The Czechs and Hungarians supply their strategic moves, which shift the German HQs to Hamburg and Warsaw (to provide HQs for a potential front facing the North Sea and to reorganize Russian units that are railed into Poland, so that they can then move again).

In Spain, the government has surrendered and all Pact forces are either in captivity or have left the country.

In France the Pact High Command orders the evacuation of southern France to prevent the Allies from cutting off two army groups. In addition, the gap in the front between Rouen and Paris is ordered filled, and a Czech 5 point mechanized corps and German 7 point infantry corps fill the gap.

The first thing that occurs is that the French scuttle their entire Mediterranean fleet, and transfer every sailor (nearly 100,000 men) and a large number of light guns to Calais (1 French strat move, creates a 3 point garrison corps in Calais next turn for free), and all of the submarines are shipped to Calais by rail as well (1 French strategic move, subs become available in March 26). The French then move a 7 point infantry corps to Lille,

Between rail moves and ground shifting the front looks as follows by the end of the Pact phase.
Rouen: 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit (disorganized)
Le Havre: 1 German 6 point infantry corps
Hex east of Rouen: 1 French HQ, 1 French 6 point Armored corps, 1 French 6 point infantry
Lille: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, 1 French HQ, 2 French bomber units, 2 French fighter units
Calais: 1 French coast artillery unit, 1 German 5 point infantry corps,
Boulogne: 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 French Naval air unit, 1 German naval air unit
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit,
Hex east of Paris: 2 German 7 point infantry corps
Wooded hex southeast of Paris: 2 German 6 point infantry corps
Hex northeast of Paris: 1 French HQ, 2 Russian 5 point Infantry corps (both disorganized)
Crossroads hex 2 hexes east of Paris: 1 German HQ,
Hex southeast of wooded hex: 2 German 7 point infantry corps (disorganized)
Mountain hex on Swiss border: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps, 1 German Alpine corps (disorganized)
Vichy: 2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps

All headquarters have used up their reorganization capability for the turn. It took 7 French moves (1 for fleet, 1 for submarine, 2 for artillery,1 for infantry, 1 for mountain, 1 for headquarters), 8 German strategic moves (1 for Marseille factories, 6 for infantry, 1 for headquarters), and 8 Russian strategic moves (2 for Marseilles factories, 1 for German alpine from Italy, 3 for Toulouse factories, 1 for French naval air unit, 1 for German naval air unit)

Plus the Russians use 2 strategic moves elsewhere for submarines from Baltic and China to Baltic Sea. The remaining 1 Russian strategic move is saved for later in the turn.

All Pact forces south of Vichy have been evacuated, leaving them open for easy occupation by Allied forces.

the French still have a 5 point garrison unit in Corsica, which is now out of supply with the destruction of the French fleet, and vulnerable to attack.

This move has also reduced French production for January 1926 to 6 points (3 each Paris and Lille). The evacuated production centers are considered destroyed for game purposes but can be rebuilt by whoever owns them. (most of the workers are still there, along with the various support industries)
The same applies to Venice.

The French government evacuates Paris and makes preperations to flee to Germany by plane if it proves necessary. The French government is actively encouraging all French people under occupation to resist the Anglo occupation by whatever means possible.

A cartoon appears in the French papers, showing Germany, France, Russia, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia as a ancient warriors, forming a shield wall against a horible, multi-headed monster embllazoned with the US and British flags.

Another shows a German knight and Russian knight valiantly attempting to save a young, French woman from the grip of a terrible ogre.

Premier Kirov arrives in Paris to assist in the direction of the defense.

Paris itself is turned into a killing field by the French army. Trees and bushes are cleared away, as are benches and other things that could be used as cover. Sandbagged barricades are constructed and tank traps are used to block off the main streets.

OOC: What happened to the peace talks?

Premier Kirov delivers the following radio address from the Bastille on 5 November 1925:

"My Comrades, the people of France, and indeed the workingmen of all countries:

"One hundred and thirty-six years ago, the Revolution began in this very city. We are the children of the Bastille, the heirs of the sans-culottes, the poor and despised rabble whose mighty cry for justice shook the world and heralded the beginning of the end of the Age of Kings.

"We come to honor them, we come to serve their memory, and preserve that for which they fought from those who would enslave us. We fight for them, aye, and we fight for the future as well. For a world where liberté, egalité, fraternité are not just words in a history book, but a way of life gracing all men with the dignity that is their birthright.

"We are the soldiers of the new dawn. We shall not fall, so long as hope still breathes in this world. Comrades, take heart. What we have made cannot be unmade. We stand for the future of all men."

OOC: What happened to the peace talks?
Peace talks stalled, partly because Italy's not really been playing, and partly because of some trumped-up American obstructionism.

GB, remember the destruction of Italian transportation system behind us as we withdraw.

Also, six production points delivered to France will henceforth be factored into all Russian production schedules.

OOC:

I've decided on 2 range and 8 defense for my naval ships. I believe I made that clear earlier today.

Also, my orders are to attack the British corp at Rangoon with 2 corps when they are able to do so.

Then once I acquire Rangoon, I will begin building 2 Garrison units (should be Jan. 1926 by this time) then strategy move them to Rangoon upon completion of the garrison units. Any surviving corps in Burma will fortify and defend in Burma (between the capture of Rangoon and the arrival of the garrison units (should be in June I believe).

OOC:

The single Australian battlecruiser heavily damaging my two battleships has continued to bug me in the back of my mind. I've bee informed about this website about the Repulse Battlecruiser, and according to the website, that battlecruiser only had 6 15-inch guns, and wasn't really upgraded until 1933 in RL.

Website... http://www.renownrepulse.com/ships.asp

There is NO WAY that it could have heavily damaged two much larger more powerful warships, especially charging right at them, it would have had to split its fire which any sane Captain would not have done.

3 15-inch guns firing at one battleship and the other 3 15-inch guns firing on my second battleship. I still find that hard to believe, considering that my battleships could bring a total of 18 16-inch guns (9 per battleship) aganist the battlecruiser, about 3x as many heavy guns (18 VS only 6, and of 1 inch bigger size than the Australian).

I can live with the Australians heavily damaging *one* battleship, not two.

OOC: I agree, also if the Chinese had the least bit of naval skill and were able to get the drop on the Australians(which you said they did) that means the Chinese probably crossed the T on the Australians, yes the Aussies would present a smaller target, but chinese would be in a line and would be able to bring their guns to bear on Aussie ship. Now the Aussies could have turned and ran parallel to the Chinese ships or the aussies could have charged which is what I interperted as happening. Moving that way at high speed would make it hard for any gunner to score hits(shoot and manuever didn't really happen till radar fire control) While the Chinese would have been able to bring a steady rate of fire upon the Aussies. I'm sorry that doesn't sit well in the back of my mind either.

OOC: I agree, also if the Chinese had the least bit of naval skill and were able to get the drop on the Australians(which you said they did) that means the Chinese probably crossed the T on the Australians, yes the Aussies would present a smaller target, but chinese would be in a line and would be able to bring their guns to bear on Aussie ship. Now the Aussies could have turned and ran parallel to the Chinese ships or the aussies could have charged which is what I interperted as happening. Moving that way at high speed would make it hard for any gunner to score hits(shoot and manuever didn't really happen till radar fire control) While the Chinese would have been able to bring a steady rate of fire upon the Aussies. I'm sorry that doesn't sit well in the back of my mind either.

Thanks, I appreciate your support. :)

Also, my orders are to attack the British corp at Rangoon with 2 corps when they are able to do so.

The British corps at Rangoon was withdrawn to Singapore earlier this turn (Nov-Dec) and so you should be able to occupy it without a fight.

As to the success of the Royal Australian Navy, GB has already stated that the Aussies rolled some extremely good dice against the battleships and succeeded in breaching their armour. At the same time some Chinese bad luck resulted in misses by most of their big guns giving the aussies a few extra turns to battle it out with the Chinese. Basically as I understand it it was down to some fluke dice rolls which produced an unlikely (but not impossible) result. In war many factors are random and no commander can expect any certain result no matter how overwhelming his forces may be or how many factors count in his favour. As a wargamer myself I have seen many unlikely situations played out on a tabletop and no how a few factors can change a situation very easily. For example see the battles of Rorke's Drift, Albuera, Peking Legations, or the Battle of Hill 112 where vastly outnumbered, out classed or outgunned troops fought against the odds and succeeded in winning due to some unlikely circumstances occuring (Oh by the way, sorry for a strong British bias in the above list, i'm just sticking to what I know). Whilst these battles aren't really applicable to 1920's naval warfare they do show how a bit of good luck can change a battle, this is represented in GB's game by a random dice roll. There's no arguing with a random dice.

So my advice, whilst the situation may seem highly improbable and unlikely this does not rule it out as an impossibility. A few conditions may have coincided to mean that the Chinese fleet didn't fight as expected and these are catered for in the game with a random roll (for example it could represent a batch of bad ammunition for chinese guns, the Australians could have a few natural born gunners on board or even a Chinese sailor leaving a blastproof or waterproof hatch opening or one of another miriad of things happening).

So don't take it out on GB he's trying to be objective as possible, and has put a lot of effort into this RP. Just take a view that whislt you may have experienced some bad luck there's just as much chance tat you'll outroll another force so well next time.

Sorry for the length of thsi post but once I started typing I couldn't stop!

Moved to Indian Theater As Quickly As Possible
I Infantry Corps
III Mechanized Infantry Corps (Newly equiped)
Satsuma Class Battleships Buenos Aires, Rawson
Antarctica Class Light Crusers Mendoza, Antartica, Neuquén, Santa Cruz
Republica Class Light Crusers La Pampa, Entre Rios (newly constructed)
Destroyers X 16 (All 5 from South Africa, 11 of the newly constructed)

General Ippolito, in command of the Argentine Army, requests that the British consult with him in reguards to any battleplans involving the Argentine forces in an offensive engagement. Also, he notes that the Zion Infantry Corps is expected to finish training/supplying in July, and will be moved to India ASAP once finished.

Moved to Indian Theater As Quickly As Possible
I Infantry Corps
III Mechanized Infantry Corps (Newly equiped)
Satsuma Class Battleships Buenos Aires, Rawson
Antarctica Class Light Crusers Mendoza, Antartica, Neuquén, Santa Cruz
Republica Class Light Crusers La Pampa, Entre Rios (newly constructed)
Destroyers X 16 (All 5 from South Africa, 11 of the newly constructed)

General Ippolito, in command of the Argentine Army, requests that the British consult with him in reguards to any battleplans involving the Argentine forces in an offensive engagement. Also, he notes that the Zion Infantry Corps is expected to finish training/supplying in July, and will be moved to India ASAP once finished.

ooc
as this is two turns from now it will be a while before this happens, but I will keep it in mind. Most likely they would be sent to the Pakistan front, as the climate and terrain more closely matches Argentina than the Burmese jungles would

Thanks, I appreciate your support. :)

although caught somewhat by suprise, the Australians had some advantages. The LTA had been at war for roughly 18 months when the Chinese entered. In addition, the Repulse was the premier ship of the Australian navy (its only capital ship mind you), the best crew and the best gunners in the entire fleet were aboard, giving it a much higher than average rating to start with, plus the advantage of 18 months of training time. In addition, the Australians were not caught totally by suprise, they were expecting the probability of trouble (a big fleet just doesn't start cruising around, especially without notice, without usually having bad intentions).

The Repulse concentrated fire on the lead ship first, and managed hits in the engines and also knocked out both rear turrets plus wiped out central and forward secondary fire control in the engagement, which then allowed it to shift its entire fire to the next Chinese battleship (I used the projected German Bismark/Tirpitz Z class battleship as the closest historical model for the table top game I used, and that was the old table top game Sink the Bismark, (which are basically minatures rules for cardboard counters instead of $10 a model lead minatures).

Initial Chinese gunnery was poor (poor dice rolls), which makes sense, as this was the first engagement ever for the Chinese navy, they have not had the advantage of several sea battles to draw from (as the RN has, which means institutional experience improved British and Dominion warship gunnery in general) and got a lot of misses to begin with

The Repulse managed to score hits in the bridge and stern (damaging Chinese rudder control) against the second Chinese battleship before the inevitable 16 round hit in the upper deck pierced the magazine of the Repulse and blew her apart.

Which is why both Chinese ships limped home damaged.

The poor Australian destroyers managed no hits at all with their torpedeoes and managed a few 4 inch hits on the Chinese cruisers but in spite of hitting only about 2% of the time, the fact that the Chinese massively outnumbered the Australian destroyers enabled those 2% hits to be more than enough to sink the Australian destroyers.

Peace talks finally begin when the Americans accept an oval table.

The US opens with a private proposal to France:
1. Immediate withdrawal of all Czech, German and Russian troops from France.
2. Immediate surrender of all French military forces
3. LTA occupation of France and French West Africa for the duration of the war plus 6 months.
4. The LTA will rebuild French industry damaged in the war or evacuated. (includes Nantes, Brest, Marseilles, and Toulouse)
5. The French military can be rebuilt after the end of the LTA occupation to a limit of 300,000 men... 2 corps in France, 1 corps in French West Africa. The French Air Force is limited to single engined armed aircraft, although transport aircraft and air liners can be twin engined. The French Navy cannot have submarines, and is limited to ships of 10,000 tons or smaller and no ship can have bigger than 8 inch guns.
6. All French territory outside of continental France (and Corsica) that has been taken by LTA forces remains under the control of the LTA nations that occupied it to do with as they see fit.


Offer to Russia
1. Immediate cease fire
2. Russian forces pull back to their home garrisons as of 1923.
3. Afghanistan regains its independence, however, no British or Russian forces in that nation (subject to British approval).
4. Russian forces remain in their home country except in time of war.

Offer to Germany
1. Immediate cease fire
2. All German forces return to their home garrisons as of 1923.
3. All German territory or former German territory occupied by LTA remains under the control of the LTA nation that took it and those LTA nations can do with it as they see fit.
4. German navy restricted to 100 submarines, no carriers, and no warships with a range of greater than 5,000 kilometers without refueling (ooc in other words, no warship is allowed to have sufficient range to reach the Western Hemisphere)
5. No German ampbibious units.

to China
1. Immediate and complete withdrawal from Burma, Cambodia and Laos.
2. Independence for Laos and Cambodia, Burma returns to British control.
3. Immediate payment of indeminity to Australia (in ooc terms, a payment of 18 production points over 2 years to pay for the replacement of a battlecruiser and 10 destroyers plus payments to families of the dead)

To Yugoslavia
Withdrawal from all Italian territory

ooc
this is a negotiationg position, and is pretty hard line. But that is how the Americans feel at the moment.

Jeez, good job at exploiting the divisions within the Pact. I'd take this in a second if it didn't mean backstabbing my allies . . .

IC:
The Russian delegates at the Hague respectfully request a reasonable amount of time to consult with their allies. One of the delegates is heard to grumble about the compansation to Spain following the latter's defeat, however, saying "If they'd done that to begin with this whole foolish war could've been avoided entirely . . . "

France Allied Second Phase
The South Africans reach Toulouse, while two British infantry corps occupy Bordeaux. An American corps in Bilbao (Spain) easily takes control over Bayonne. 2 American mountain corps in Turin (Italy) move across the Alpine passes and enter France, moving into Lyon and Marseilles (Alpine units are not affected by winter weather and move normally through mountain hexes). An Italian corps on the French border moves into Nice and Toulon. With that, southern France is under LTA control and occupation.

6 British corps (4 x 9 point, 2 x 8 point) shift so that they can attack Vichy (still held by 2 Russian cavalry corps) from three sides (northeast, west and northwest). American corps shift so that they can attack Paris from three sides (4 x 9 point, 2 x 8 point, from the southeast, southwest and west). 2 American 8 point corps shift to be opposite of Rouen.

The Allies now have two possible attacks. The British have 52 points against 8 Russian points at Vichy, which are doubled for a major city (16) giving them 3:1. Because of the wooded terrain in the city is in, air support is halved, and then halved again because of the winter weather so the British elect not to request any. The winter weather also reduces the odds from 3:1 to 2:1. However, it is a critical junction, as possession will allow the Allies to reach to border of Burgundy in January. If it falls. The British attack, and roll an 8, destroying both Russian and 1 British (8 point) corps. The city falls and 2 British 9 point corps occupy it. All five surviving British corps are disorganized, and the British cannot use their Canadian HQ to reorganize them as it is still way back one hex east of the Nantes resource hex (out of range). This leaves 2 UK 9 point corps in Vichy, 2 UK 9 point corps northwest of Vichy, and 1 UK 8 point corps northeast of Vichy (and all are disorganized).

Against Paris, the Americans have 52 points as well, and are facing 20 French points (which become 40 as are in a major city). However, the Americans are willing to try it anyway. They commit 8 aircraft (2 UK bombers, 2 US bombers, 2 UK fighters, 2 US fighters) to the attack, and the French commit everything they have (2 fighters, 2 bombers) to try and protect the sacred capital of France. The Allied bombers are attempting to disrupt the French ground units, while the French bombers are attempting to disrupt one of the attacking American stacks. In the air the Allies have 23 points of fighters versus 12 points of French fighters, overwhelming odds. However, the French High Command has ordered a defense at all costs and they are committed. (ooc based on telegrams received saying hold at all costs from French player).

In the air, the French roll a perfect 2 (snake eyes) and down an American bomber, while the Americans roll a perfect 11 and a French bomber actually gets through. The next roll French roll clears the next American bomber to reach Paris, while the Allied roll downs the second French bomber. The third series of rolls results in a clear American bomber and a dead French fighter, and the final roll the French abort a UK bomber but are shot down. Score: 2 French fighter units, 1 French bomber unit destroyed, 1 American bomber unit destroyed, 1 British bomber returned to base. The 2 surviving Allied bombers have their bombing halved, but manage to disrupt the garrison unit, in spite of flak (which rolls poorly, no effect). The French bomber gets amazingly lucky and actually disrupts 2 of the American 9 point corps. The odds are now below 1:2 (counting in weather) and the Americans cancel the ground attack.

The Americans use 5 strategic moves to shift 4 mechanized corps and 1 fighter unit from the US to France (arriving Cherbourg and St. Malo). Another 3 strategic moves are used to shift 1 Moroccan Alpine corps and 2 Moroccan infantry corps to Santander, Valancia, and Cartagena, and another strategic move to send the Colombian corps back home. 2 more strategic moves are used to bring 2 Colombian fighter units to Dover (UK).

IC explanation
In France, British, American, South African and Italian forces overrun the now undefended cities of Bordeaux, Bayonne, Toulouse, Nice, Toulon and Marseilles and southern France is conquered. Meanwhile the British launch a powerful attack on Russian forces holding Vichy and in desperate fighting which results in 100,000 British casualties take the city. The Russian cavalry army defending the city is destroyed suffering 200,000 casualties in the process. The Americans and French fight a desperate series of air battles in the skies around Paris, resulting in the loss of 1400 French and 400 Allie aircraft, but the desperate French sacrifice in the air manages to disrupt an American attack before it can begin and Paris is saved. For now at least.

Allied Second Phase Italy
An American corps crosses the Po, liberates Venice, and then retires back to its positions on the south bank of the Po River. With the threat of attack from the west eliminated, the Allies send some forces into France (see above) but otherwise remain in position.

IC
Allied forces in Italy liberate Venice and assist in the conquest of Southern France. News of the destruction of the French fleet allows the Allies to consider deployment of the Italian Navy for other missions.

Allied second phase All other fronts
No activity (already happened this turn)

Pact Second Phase
The Pact elects to pass, ending the turn immediately to prevent the chance of the Allies getting another chance at attacking Paris if they get a good die roll on the turn end determination roll. As they had no good attack odds anywhere on the front, and have used up their strategic moves, they have no good reason to continue the turn if they can end it quickly.

The year 1925 finally comes to an end.

ooc
Now I have to post where everything is and what everyone has.. figure a couple of days before the January February turn begins.

Although the French are willing to cede their colonial territories, the restrictions that the Allies would place upon their abilities to protect their own soil are clearly absurd. The Republique is not some would-be world empire like the Anglophone powers, that claim dominion over hemispheres and oceans. This war arose in defense of Spanish sovereignty (an admittedly poor cause now, but what's done is done), out of obligation to both honor and justice, and so the punitive terms that Washington would place upon Paris are uncalled-for in the extreme. Have the Americans forgotten that without French assistance they would still be ruled by a king? Have they forgotten from whence that statue in New York's harbor came? Have they no thankfulness? No graciousness? How now this ferocity? This brutality?

It should be known as well that Paris does not regard the proposed occupation well, either.

In general, Moskva regards the American proposals as reasonable. Neither the Union nor its allies has any great wish to make war, now or in the future. Progress is better secured by peace than by force. But with regard to the burdens Mr. Cox would place on France we can only conclude that you are not negotiating in good faith. It is impossible that any thinking man could imagine them to be acceptable.

Peace talks finally begin when the Americans accept an oval table.

The US opens with a private proposal to France:
1. Immediate withdrawal of all Czech, German and Russian troops from France.
2. Immediate surrender of all French military forces
3. LTA occupation of France and French West Africa for the duration of the war plus 6 months.
4. The LTA will rebuild French industry damaged in the war or evacuated. (includes Nantes, Brest, Marseilles, and Toulouse)
5. The French military can be rebuilt after the end of the LTA occupation to a limit of 300,000 men... 2 corps in France, 1 corps in French West Africa. The French Air Force is limited to single engined armed aircraft, although transport aircraft and air liners can be twin engined. The French Navy cannot have submarines, and is limited to ships of 10,000 tons or smaller and no ship can have bigger than 8 inch guns.
6. All French territory outside of continental France (and Corsica) that has been taken by LTA forces remains under the control of the LTA nations that occupied it to do with as they see fit.


Offer to Russia
1. Immediate cease fire
2. Russian forces pull back to their home garrisons as of 1923.
3. Afghanistan regains its independence, however, no British or Russian forces in that nation (subject to British approval).
4. Russian forces remain in their home country except in time of war.

Offer to Germany
1. Immediate cease fire
2. All German forces return to their home garrisons as of 1923.
3. All German territory or former German territory occupied by LTA remains under the control of the LTA nation that took it and those LTA nations can do with it as they see fit.
4. German navy restricted to 100 submarines, no carriers, and no warships with a range of greater than 5,000 kilometers without refueling (ooc in other words, no warship is allowed to have sufficient range to reach the Western Hemisphere)
5. No German ampbibious units.

to China
1. Immediate and complete withdrawal from Burma, Cambodia and Laos.
2. Independence for Laos and Cambodia, Burma returns to British control.
3. Immediate payment of indeminity to Australia (in ooc terms, a payment of 18 production points over 2 years to pay for the replacement of a battlecruiser and 10 destroyers plus payments to families of the dead)

To Yugoslavia
Withdrawal from all Italian territory

ooc
this is a negotiating position, and is pretty hard line. But that is how the Americans feel at the moment.

just so the terms remain easy to view. Remember, in diplomatic negotiations its allowed to offer counterproposals.

IC
The US is willing to relax some of the limits on the French Army, but remains firm on its limis on French and German seapower, and on French air power. It wishes to ensure that no revanchist French government decides to build a lot of bombers to attack England with. The US also wants to make damned sure that some future German government doesn't decide again that challenging the US and UK at sea or in territories outside of Europe is even possible.

Moved to Indian Theater As Quickly As Possible
I Infantry Corps
III Mechanized Infantry Corps (Newly equiped)
Satsuma Class Battleships Buenos Aires, Rawson
Antarctica Class Light Crusers Mendoza, Antartica, Neuquén, Santa Cruz
Republica Class Light Crusers La Pampa, Entre Rios (newly constructed)
Destroyers X 16 (All 5 from South Africa, 11 of the newly constructed)

General Ippolito, in command of the Argentine Army, requests that the British consult with him in reguards to any battleplans involving the Argentine forces in an offensive engagement. Also, he notes that the Zion Infantry Corps is expected to finish training/supplying in July, and will be moved to India ASAP once finished.

The British government publicly thanks the Argentinians for their assistance in this matter and will provide some basic battleplans over more secure lines (ie. TG).

We would like to clarify what is "Italian territory" as Trieste has a large Slovene population we would like to demand that we be able to liberate it's citizens from the Italian government which we have crippled over these past few years. Have our men died for nothing? I dear say not, the men of my country have died for the cause of freeing their common man from the oppressive grasp of their neighbor. And so i must at least try and liberate the lands by diplomacy if not force.

We would like to clarify what is "Italian territory" as Trieste has a large Slovene population we would like to demand that we be able to liberate it's citizens from the Italian government which we have crippled over these past few years. Have our men died for nothing? I dear say not, the men of my country have died for the cause of freeing their common man from the oppressive grasp of their neighbor. And so i must at least try and liberate the lands by diplomacy if not force.

The American delegate points out that nearly 2 million Italians, and nearly half a million other LTA soldiers and sailors became casualties defending Italy from attack. Among that toll are over 600,000 Italian and 100,000 LTA dead.

Yugoslavia is not the only nation that had men die. In addition, Yugoslavian rule has not been notable in its regard to civil rights. The insurrection in Kosovo and the bloody suppression of that insurrection in 1923 are still well within memory.

Perhaps an election after soveriegnity is returned to Italy would be fair.

Meanwhile the British launch a powerful attack on Russian forces holding Vichy and in desperate fighting which results in 100,000 British casualties take the city. The Russian cavalry army defending the city is destroyed suffering 200,000 casualties in the process.
You forgot the part where the Red Army's Polish cavalry was singing the Marseillaise as they charged the fascist tanks.


An American corps crosses the Po, liberates Venice, and then retires back to its positions on the south bank of the Po River. With the threat of attack from the west eliminated, the Allies send some forces into France (see above) but otherwise remain in position.
I've mentioned it something like five times both by telegram and in the forums, but all roads, railroads, and bridges in formerly occupied Italy have been destroyed and mined. I've never seen you acknowledge that. If there's no effect, please explain to me why.

You forgot the part where the Red Army's Polish cavalry was singing the Marseillaise as they charged the fascist tanks.


I've mentioned it something like five times both by telegram and in the forums, but all roads, railroads, and bridges in formerly occupied Italy have been destroyed and mined. I've never seen you acknowledge that. If there's no effect, please explain to me why.

ooc
in game terms, the Allies paid maximum movement costs to move one hex forward and one hex back, and then chose not to go any further because everything north of the River Po was a mess. Although you were able to make a mess of things in central and eastern northern Italy, things were a lot more hurried during the pull out of France. So that was the effect, the Allies chose not to pursue because it would require more trouble than it was worth to advance much beyond present lines.

The American delegate points out that nearly 2 million Italians, and nearly half a million other LTA soldiers and sailors became casualties defending Italy from attack. Among that toll are over 600,000 Italian and 100,000 LTA dead.

Yugoslavia is not the only nation that had men die. In addition, Yugoslavian rule has not been notable in its regard to civil rights. The insurrection in Kosovo and the bloody suppression of that insurrection in 1923 are still well within memory.

Perhaps an election after soveriegnity is returned to Italy would be fair.

Alas, the fasicst schweinenhundtz spin the story like the Fates of Greece spun the lives of men! They completely forget that it was the corrupt Albanian Government who started revolts in Kosovo, backed themselves by the same "noble Italians", that nearly caused a global war more violent than this one has been!

The blood shed in Trieste was nothing but the will of the People to protect themselves from the chains of the Roman Imperialists.

America has no space to talk in means of civil rights. The blood of the natives and Africans still lies stained on your hands!

Parthini']Alas, the fasicst schweinenhundtz spin the story like the Fates of Greece spun the lives of men! They completely forget that it was the corrupt Albanian Government who started revolts in Kosovo, backed themselves by the same "noble Italians", that nearly caused a global war more violent than this one has been!

The blood shed in Trieste was nothing but the will of the People to protect themselves from the chains of the Roman Imperialists.

America has no space to talk in means of civil rights. The blood of the natives and Africans still lies stained on your hands!

The American delegate, Assistant Secretary of State Lansing, looks calming over at the German delegate with a mild smile. "Does the German delegate have anything useful to add in the form of a proposal, or is he here to entertain us all with flowery idealogical rhetoric?"

The French delegate speaks up, "France is willing to accept the terms, with several changes. First, the limitations on our army will be lifted. Second, The similar limitations on our naval forces will be lifted. France has long coastlines and still has possesions in the Mediterrainean that need to be protected, such as Corsica. We are willing to give in on the aircraft limitations, provided that the UK is also similarily limited so that some future British government may not bomb France. Finally, no LTA forces will occupy France after the cessation of hostilities and all LTA forces will, of course, withdraw from French soil. We would also like to propose that a general armistice be called across the globe until such a time as the peace talks conclude in either failure or success."

"We have no reason to suspect any future British Government of wanting to attack France without cause; It is you who started this war, frenchman. We propose that the french can have as big an army as they wish, but there is to be not a single naval vessel capable of reaching the mid-atlantic in their fleet AND they must give in to the original airforce demands.

I would also suggest that we do not allow them to station any military forces near the Italian border."

"Shall we assume that the British will always be run by a democratic government? But the point is moot..France withdraws the objection to the airforce lmitations, but strongly suggests that Britan be limited as well. Regardless, we wish for the naval limitations to be lightened. We will agree to no ship larger then 20,000 tons, with a shorter range so that they cannot reach the Mid-Atlantic."

LTA Forces January 1, 1926
ASIA and PACIFIC
Far East Command (HQ Manila) (directs operations against China and Russia in Southeast Asia, East Asia and the Pacific and associated waters. Commander is American)

US ComSubPac
30 S class boats (Manila)
40 S class boats (San Diego)
plus 14 submarine tenders

7th Fleet (Truk lagoon)
Light cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan, San Diego, Colombia, Minneapolis, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, 25 destroyers,
Plus Australian fleet with Light cruisers Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 5 destroyers

En route to join 7th Fleet (currently in San Diego or Hawaii)
Carriers William McKinley, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln (60 aircraft each) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, 30 destroyers plus 1 US amphibious unit

US 5th Fleet (Pearl Harbor)
Aircraft Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga (100 aircraft each), heavy cruisers: Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Light cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, plus 30 destroyers

US 9th Fleet (Tahiti)
5 gunboats, 20 misc Coast Guard cutters and patrol boats

Philippine Islands Garrison
1 Philippine Army 5 point garrison unit in a fortification (Corrigedor), 1 US Army 6 point infantry corps, 1 Philippine Air Force fighter unit, 1 US Naval air unit

Malaya
1 Indian 6 point infantry corps, 1 UK 6 point infantry corps in a fortification (Singapore), 1 South African 5 point infantry corps (Kuala Lampur),

South Asia Command (HQ Delhi)(directs operations in the defense of India) (British commander)
Royal Navy Force H (Aden)
Carriers Furious, Glorious, Courageous (50 aircraft each), battle cruiser Renown, Light cruisers Cassandra, Calcutta, Cairo, Colombo, Danae, Dauntless, Delhi, Despatch, Diomede, Dublin, plus 20 destroyers
Plus 1 Australian amphibious unit, 1 Canadian amphibious unit

Royal Navy Eastern Fleet (Colombo)
Light Cruisers Natal (RSAN), Durban (RSAN), Capetown (RSAN), Pretoria (RSAN), 10 RSAN destroyers

Indus River front
2 Indian 6 point corps(Peshwar,), 2 Indian 5 point infantry corps (Multan), 2 Indian 6 point infantry corps (Rawalpindi), 2 Indian 7 point infantry corps Infantry (Lahore) 1 Anzac 4 point cavalry, 1 Indian 5 point Infantry at Karachi,
1 HQ 1 Indian 5 point garrison, (Delhi)

Burma Front
1 Indian 7 point mechanized corps (mountain border hex next to Dacca)
2 Indian 6 point mechanized corps (Dacca)
1 Indian 5 point garrison (Colombo)

Mideast Command (defense of Suez Canal and approaches) (British commander)
Egypt Garrison command
British 6 point garrison (Suez), British 6 point garrison (Port Said), British 7 point infantry corps (Alexandria)

Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet (Alexandria)
Light cruisers Chatham, Dublin, Southhampton, Birmingham, Lowestoft, Adelaide, Nottingham, Caroline, 20 destroyers, 20 fleet submarines

Italian Command (defense of Italy and approaches) (Italian commander)
Italian Adriatic Force
Light Cruisers Pisa, Arnalfi, 10 destroyers, 50 submarines

Italian Battle Fleet
Battleships Conte Di Cavour, Giulio Caseare, Carrier Vittorio Emanuele, Light cruisers Basilicata, Campania, Quarto, Nino Bixio, Marsala,, 20 destroyers

US 6th Fleet (Tangiers)
Light cruisers Houston, San Diego, Brooklyn, Boston, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, 20 destroyers

Allied 2nd Army Group
1 UK HQ, 2 British 6 point mechanized corps, 1 Colombian fighter unit (Milan), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps (hex east of Genoa), 2 US 6 point mechanized corps (one in each hex south of River Po), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps, 1 US HQ, 2 US fighters (Florence), 1 Italian HQ, 2 Italian fighters (Turin), 1 US 6 point mechanized corps (La Spezia), , 2 Italian 5 point infantry corps,1 Italian HQ, 1 Italian bomber (Leghorn), 1 Italian 5 point garrison unit (Tripoli, Libya).

Northwest Europe Command (HQ London)(Direct Allied forces in combat and occupation duty on the continent of Europe outside of Italy)

Seine River Front
US 15th Army Group
2 US 8 point mechanized corps (resource hex southwest of Rouen), 2 US 9 point mechanized corps (west of Paris), 2 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex southwest of Paris), 2 US 8 point mechanized corps (hex southeast of Paris), 1 US HQ, 2 US fighter units, (1 hex east of St. Malo), 1 US HQ, 2 US 8 point mechanized corps 2 US fighter units, (Cherbourg), 2 US 8 point mechanized corps, 2 US bomber units (St. Malo),

British 21st Army Group
2 UK 9 point mechanized corps (Vichy), 2 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex northwest of Vichy), 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy), 1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (Toulouse), 2 US 5 point Alpine corps (Lyon), 1 UK HQ (1 hex east of Nantes), 1 UK HQ, 2 UK bomber units (Nantes), 1 Canadian HQ, 2 UK fighter units (2 hexes east of Nantes),

LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 10 point infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve), , 2 UK 7 point infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve), 1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Santander, reserve), 2 US 8 point mechanized corps (Madrid, reserve), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps, 1 US 8 point mechanized corps (Barcelona, reserve),

1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation), 1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation), 1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Malaga, occupation),), 1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation), 1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Vigo, occupation), 1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz), 2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Bayonne, occupation), 1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
5 point UK garrison, 1 fighter unit, 2 Colombian fighter units, 1 bomber unit, (fortified Dover), 5 point UK garrison (fortified Scapa Flow), 5 point UK garrison (London) 1 UK naval air unit (Dover), 1 UK naval air unit (Belfast)

Atlantic Command (HQ Belfast) (directs Allied naval forces in Atlantic and North Sea_
British Home Fleet (Scapa Flow)
2 battleships (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite), 5 heavy cruisers (Kent, Suffolk, Berwick, Cornwall, Cumberland), 8 Light cruisers, 40 destroyers, 60 submarines

Will join Home Fleet (US East Coast)
Battlecruiser Hood, Battleships Nelson, Rodney, Barham, Malaya plus 5 light cruisers

Western Approaches Fleet (Belfast, Liverpool and Iceland)
30 Canadian destroyers, 35 Canadian corvettes, 50 British destroyers, 200 British corvettes,

New to the fleet (arrived in January)
battleships North Carolina, Washington heavy cruisers Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem, 20 destroyers, 40 sub chasers

arriving in March
2 Battleships (North Carolina class, South Dakota, Alabama), 5 light cruisers (Brooklyn class, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise attack 1, protection 1 speed 7 range 6), 20 destroyers, 40 subchasers

2nd Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania , 20 destroyers

10th Fleet (Escort force Atlantic)
80 destroyers, 160 subchasers + 120 US subchasers in Caribbean, Atlantic coast and Gulf of Mexico plus 1 US naval air unit

US Home Forces
None at this time, more under construction

Colombian home forces
1 battlecruiser, 4 heavy cruisers, 20 destroyers, 4 submarines
1 Alpine corps, 1 mechanized corps, 2 infantry corps, 1 fighter unit

Ecuador home forces
2 infantry corps

"It is you who started this war, Frenchman."
The Union delegate, Mikhail Kalinin, observes that the Colombian is mistaken as to the cause of the war. "It is not surprising, perhaps, that America's most consistent supporter in Latin America would have a warped view of the causation of this conflict, but there is certainly no credible reading of the facts that could possibly support the notion that the French had anything whatever to do with the commencement of hostilities. What exactly brought you into the war?"

He leans back, nods briefly to the American, lights a thin cigar, and turns to his German comrade.

"Be that as it may, we gain nothing at this table by denouncing our negotiating partners as filthy subhumans. Our countrymen bleed one another elsewhere in great rivers, and it is scarcely necessary to insult one another here at this fine table as well. That task that we have before us is to stop the killing. If any man here is hot-blooded to see his enemy brought down, I invite him to leave now to man the battle lines on the Seine, where indeed there is soon likely to be a great shortage of men unless we come to some kind of agreement."

[OoC: Seriously, Parthini, tone it down. You're not doing yourself, Jensai, or me any favors by insulting the Americans.]

Kalinin turns back to the American, gesturing with his thin cigar.

"I am willing to assume that Washington has no interest in prolonging this bloodshed. After all, I am of the opinion that humanity has no interest in prolonging this bloodshed, and we are all of us humans, and more's the pity.

"But you must understand that a nation's right to defend itself is the sine qua non of it's existence. You would demand of France that it give up this right. There are two further objections to this. First, that there no justification for such a demand. The French intervened to defend a nation which, as events have proved, was incapable of defending itself. Punishing such an intervention is an indefensible inversion of justice. Secondly, there is no compensation. If France were to concede Mr. Cox's terms, it would become vulnerable to even the slightest show of force of its most unreasonable neighbors. France would cease to be as a country without the ability to defend itself. Some provisions must be made for French security.

"The Union has no designs upon the Western Hemisphere beyond supporting the quest of all peoples everywhere for freedom and dignity. We are willing to put aside the weapons of war as instruments of that task. But we wonder what assurances we have from the Americans or British that they are equally amenable to peace."

Kalinin looks back at the Colombian.

"After all, it was the Americans who started this war."

Three players so far have asked me questions regarding what happens to a unit when it is upgrading from one type of corps to another. Basically it is like this, the unit is receiving new equipment, vehicles and more firepower (artillery, support weapons and tanks). It is not helpless while getting those things however. If attacked or an enemy unit moves adjacent to it, it simply stops the upgrade process at whatever point it has reached and further upgrading cannot continue until after it is no longer adjacent to an enemy unit and it cannot begin again until the next turn.

For example, the British are upgrading a garrison unit in Delhi to a mechanized corps. First step converts it to a motorized infantry corps (and requires a point). If attacked during that turn, it acts as a garrison unit for combat purposes. Next turn, if not attacked and no enemy unit moves adjacent another point is received and it becomes a mechanized corps at the start of the next turn.

The units being converted are required to not enter combat because they are learning new tactics and doctrine, not because they are helpless.

Lansing smiles again as Kalinin speaks. "First of all, it was the Russians who declared war first, followed by the Spanish and French. No attempt whatsoever was made by your nations to seek any kind of peaceful resolution of the conflict. and the first thing the Pact nations did was invade Italy, which was simply honoring a treaty commitment when it entered the war.

Unlike France, which was a member of the London Treaty Alliance and betrayed without notice or attempt at diplomacy that treaty and a nation that had supported it during the Great War. It was the United States that provided money and economic support to France during that war, and the American people feel deeply betrayed by the French action.

France indeed did launch an unprovoked war against Italy, which was honoring its treaty. If the French had simply wanted to indicate displeasure with the actions of the United States and Morocco, it could have asked for a general diplomatic conference, or filed a protest, or issued an economic sanction or attempted numerous other measures to attempt to get the United States and Morocco to change their course.

France did not do so.

In addition, what nation does France have to fear? Burgundy, Belgium and Switzerland are neutral, Spain has similar restrictions to its military forces now, and surely Andorra and Monaco aren't threats to French existance.

Simply put, why does France need a large navy or air force?"


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its time to start another thread, as I need to post events in the war here as well, and we need space to wax rhetorical. Vas, could you do so?

This will be used for supplying the address for the Hague Conference, when I start the Thread later tonight. It will also be the location of Kirov's second radio address from the Bastille, when I finish writing it.

France entered the war to protect a friends territory after you treacherously stabbed them in the back...But we are not here to debate the war. We are here to negotiate a peace.

Simply put, France requires at least a semblance of a navy to maintain effective defense of it's own coast. Ae need an airforce for much the same reason. Without them we will be at the mercy of any nation with a more modern and larger navy or airforce. If one day the UNited Kingdom, Italy, or Spain decide that they would like to attack us, how will our inadequeate navy and airforce protect us? How would we be able to stand and fight? That is why we need the resrtictions eased.




In a speech from the Bastille, Premier Blume encouraged his countrymen to continue the fight and resist the occupation, telling them that their allies have not forgotten them and even now Russian and German reinforcements are on the way to help.

Major General Reichmann stood up while sipping his tea.

"Herr Kirov, I do apologise for my attack on the Kapitalist. While not unwarrented, it was unpolitik and provided no benefit to this discussion. I apologise to Herr Landsing. It is curious, however, that he did not deny anything..."

"Yet again I am deviating. While myself and the Worker's Republic have no quarrel over the naval limits, the limits on France's Airforce is rather disturbing. While you state that its only neighbors are neutrals such as Burgundy and The Netherlands, Italy, a vengeful nation indeed, has plenty of reason to wish to destroy France by air, as does Britain. America could as easily arrive by carrier and smite the poor Franks under air superiority. While the Union would gladly assist her in protection, it is under our capacity to protect France as well as ourselves. Therefore, we believe that if any limit be placed on France, it should be a limit on land bombers. Fighters can protect against other planes, and maritime aircraft can protect against belligerent surface fleets. I am sure that none of us desire another war of this scale which could last even longer, and we feel that France would only use this air force to protect herself from aggressors of any type."

"There is another thing that has distressed the Workers. The Azores and Madiera, which were rightfully acquired by our ruthless predecessors over 20 years ago were unrightfully taken away in the midst of war. While it may seem small in the larger context, to the Workers of the Union and Venezuela it is an important link. Over the past 20 years it has provided a stop on the long cross along the Atlantic ocean for Zeppelins and ships which cross to America, Venezuela and Brazil. While in the past it has been used for more belligerent purposes, being a submarine base, we only now desire it for a hub of trade and connection to our bretheren in the Western Hemisphere. Thus, we propose that the Azores and Madiera be returned to the Worker's Republic immediately. However, the Azores and Madiera will dismantle their submarine base and provide a harbor only for domestic shipping, as well as a small surface fleet for coastal guarding to protect from pirates and belligerent raiders."

With no more to discuss at this time, Major General Reichmann sat down.

Lansing looks over at the German coldly. "The United States will not under any circumstances allow German possession of either the Azores or Madeira, as they are on the vital US line of communications to our friends in North Africa. In addition, the US will not allow any German government to attempt ever again to interfere in the affairs of Venezuela or any other nation in the Western Hemisphere.

Finally, I remind the major that the US, Britian and Italy have the ability to smite France from the air now, and have been careful to attack only military targets thus far. This in spite of the best defense that France could develop.

The United States is willing to allow France to build all of the fighters its wants, but sees no reason to let France build bombers. Fighters defend France, not twin engined bomber aircraft. Fighters are a defensive weapon, and the US sees no reason that France should not have them. Bombers however are an offensive weapon, and this the US is not willing to grant the French for the time being."

"France will relent. Are we, however, allowed to build transport aircraft? They could become vital to our economy and future trade. And we must also ask that the tonnage limit on our navy be lifted to 17,000 tons."

to China
1. Immediate and complete withdrawal from Burma, Cambodia and Laos.
2. Independence for Laos and Cambodia, Burma returns to British control.
3. Immediate payment of indeminity to Australia (in ooc terms, a payment of 18 production points over 2 years to pay for the replacement of a battlecruiser and 10 destroyers plus payments to families of the dead)

The Chinese ambassador, the venerable Lu Hong, spoke.

"China is more than willing to pay reparations to Australia for the sinking of its squadron off the coast of Malaysia.

However, we do not agree to conditions 1 and 2. We bought Cambodia and Laos legimately from France several years ago, before any war occurred. We also integrated these two provinces into China peacefully without bloodshed and violence. There has not been any riots in Cambodia or Laos since China took control of these two provinces, which clearly shows that these people are content under Chinese rule, guidance, and industrialization assistance.

If we actually invaded Cambodia and Laos, and ruthlessly suppressed its people with fear, violence, and intimidation as well as destroy any riots or protests with overwhelming force, then the case would be quite different. Alas, it is not.

In regards for Burma, the native Burmese hate the British more than the Chinese. Why would the people of Burma choose to return to British governance if they depise the British intensely? China is not adverse to an independent Burma, free of Pact or LTA control, though."

Lu Hong sat back down and awaited a response.

Kalinin [OoC: Premier Kirov remains in Paris - Kalinin is a totally different guy.] glances at Reichmann, then faces Lansing.

"Moskva does not feel that the Azores and Madeira are vital to the interests of either the Union or the Workers' Republic. In time the light of progress will dawn in the West, but bickering now over some rocks in the Atlantic will not hasten that day.

Kalinin's gaze rests on Lu Hong for a moment.

"We do not speak for our Chinese friends. They had integrated Laos and Cambodia into their Empire, it is true, but the Union regards Southeast Asia as a matter separate from Europe.

"If we can agree on ground forces for France, we might be able to secure a ceasefire before the Spring blood-letting." Kalinin smiles like a bearded and bespectacled Puck. "I should hope that you would like that as much as I would, Mr. Lansing."

"France will relent. Are we, however, allowed to build transport aircraft? They could become vital to our economy and future trade. And we must also ask that the tonnage limit on our navy be lifted to 17,000 tons."

transport aircraft and airliners were specifically allowed if twin engined.

The Colombian stood to answer the Chinese delegate;

"We agree with China, regarding Cambodia. We concur that they should not be forced to relinquish them. But in regards to Burma, We propose to hold an election for the nation. Either Britain, China, or Independance."

The Colombian stood to answer the Chinese delegate;

"We agree with China, regarding Cambodia. We concur that they should not be forced to relinquish them. But in regards to Burma, We propose to hold an election for the nation. Either Britain, China, or Independance."

Lu Hong spoke.

"An election is reasonable, seeing that China is adopting a more democratic type of government. We are still in the process of, how do you Westerners say, 'Bring the Power to the People'?

If Burma wishes to come under Chinese control, so be it. If Burma chooses to become independent, China will support it. However, we do not foresee Burma joining the UK as the Burma people depise the UK more than China or its neighbor of Siam."

"Then it shall swing that way. This election should be a fine ,model for democracy for the future elections in China."

"The United States is perfectly willing to have peace, if a conclusion acceptable to the United States and our allies can be brought about. However, military operations will continue until peace is brought about to the satisfaction of the nations represented in the LTA, or we are defeated, or you are. Too much blood has been shed, particularly by our allies such as Italy, Colombia and Britian, but the blood of Americans as well, for the Alliance to settle for half measures."

Lansing leaned back as an aide brought him a cable. He read it carefully. Looking up he fixed Kallanin with a steady gaze. "You talk of justice Mr. Kallininn, and I have learned here that your armies have stripped whole sections of Italy of their factories, burned their bridges, destroyed their railroads, and mined their bridges.
Where is the justice in that?"

fixing his gaze on the Chinese Ambassador, he simply sighed. "And your government. What possible excuse for justice does your government have sir? You claim that your government was honoring an agreement to defend Russia if it were invaded. I notice in the reports I have read that that your navy has fled to Taiwan and sought internment. Which if, and correct me if I am wrong, is owned by Japan. The nation that actually invaded Russia.

It certainly wasn't Australia, the owner of a fleet which your navy destroyed. Nor was Britian invading Russia, yet oddly enough, there are Chinese troops in Burma as we speak. You claim you are liberating the Burmese, but yet which Burmese are you liberating? The Kachins and other tribal peoples in northern Burma who have oppressed for centuries by the southern Burmese, or are you simply just liberating those people, the ones in Rangoon and the surrounding area. The same race that for centuries raided both India and Siam."

Lansing smiled and lit a cigerette and waited for the replies.

fixing his gaze on the Chinese Ambassador, he simply sighed. "And your government. What possible excuse for justice does your government have sir? You claim that your government was honoring an agreement to defend Russia if it were invaded. I notice in the reports I have read that that your navy has fled to Taiwan and sought internment. Which if, and correct me if I am wrong, is owned by Japan. The nation that actually invaded Russia.

It certainly wasn't Australia, the owner of a fleet which your navy destroyed. Nor was Britian invading Russia, yet oddly enough, there are Chinese troops in Burma as we speak. You claim you are liberating the Burmese, but yet which Burmese are you liberating? The Kachins and other tribal peoples in northern Burma who have oppressed for centuries by the southern Burmese, or are you simply just liberating those people, the ones in Rangoon and the surrounding area. The same race that for centuries raided both India and Siam."

Lansing smiled and lit a cigerette and waited for the replies.

Lu Hong responded with a firm voice.

"Japan withdrew from the war, and reached a peace with Russia. The Japanese have not declared war aganist China and took no hostile actions towards China even after withdrawing from its original alliance with China.

Thus, Japan became a neutral nation who still maintains friendly relations with China. It only stands to reason that we, the Chinese, are bound to save the lives of our men by interning them at a neutral port. After all, the Chinese navy is well assured of total destruction from what is reported to be a massive US and UK fleet headed towards the Pacific. Nine carriers would easily claim the lives of all the Chinese sailors. Japan has been gracious enough to accept the internment to preserve as many lives as possible.

According to Chinese reports, the British and the Russians did participate in combat in Italy, I believe. Thus, Britain and the Russians did come to blows. In addition, Russian naval assets engaged and fought the British as well. China heard the pleas of the native Burma people to depose of the British, and it responded for the call of assistance.

Thus, Burma should be provided a chance to choose their destiny. Under British rule, they cannot. Under an independent democratic election, the Burma people will be able to choose independence, Chinese rule, or even British rule. China will abide by the decision of the Burma people. After all, is it not the way of your American people? Was it not your people that demanded a say in your matters, and that caused you to break away from Britain? Allow the Burma people the same privilege."

"Really, Mr. Lansing, this outburst does not become you," answers Kalinin. "The Union will help the Italians rebuild. Will you do the same for the Cherokee?" Kalinin wags his finger at Lansing like a schoolteacher chastising the class fool. "Do not for a moment presume to lecture me, sir.

"As you say, more blood will be spilt. Yet I do not see how it is productive to let fly with recriminations instead of attempting to save lives and worry about who did what and for what reasons later.

"If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were enjoying the slaughter."

THE HAGUE CONFERENCE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9869785&posted=1#post9869785)

Henceforth all negotiations, both IC and (public) OoC, should be posted there.

while negotiations continue, the war does too. Next turn will occur after I post the Pact forces, and then determine weather and initiative. At this time I will start looking at builds for January February 1926.

while negotiations continue, the war does too. Next turn will occur after I post the Pact forces, and then determine weather and initiative. At this time I will start looking at builds for January February 1926.
I wish you could orgainze these posts by front, instead. It's nearly impossible to tell what's where and who's facing what when you post all one side all over the world and then all the other side all over the world.

I wish you could orgainze these posts by front, instead. It's nearly impossible to tell what's where and who's facing what when you post all one side all over the world and then all the other side all over the world.

sorry about that, but this way I have a reasonable chance of getting everyones builds accounted for and ensuring that I account for everything each turn. I will post by front for most of the year, but the opening of the year needs to be organized for this way in order to insure my sanity.

I understand.

Premier Kirov's Second Radio Address from the Bastille, 6 January 1926

"My Comrades, People of France, Workingmen of All Countries:

"It has been a little while since I last spoke with you, my friends. We've had some unseasonable thunderstorms around Paris, lately, but the sun seems to have chased them off for the moment. That is how it goes, Comrades - no matter how heavy the rains, the sun will still shine long after they are gone.

"But it is not Paris I want to talk to you about today, my friends, but Vichy.

"My heart is heavy with the loss of the valiant Polish horsemen who defended that ancient city with their blood from the merciless invaders who have wrested it from the French people. We have now seen the strength of our enemies in action, the fearful power of their engines of death.

"But the enemy has seen something, too. He has seen the strength of our will. He has seen the courage of our champions. The defenders of Vichy fought as gloriously against the invader as their ancestors fought against the Golden Horde.

"For make no mistake, we are the shield of Europe, who must defend civilization against those who would replace it with the rule of rape and slaughter. The barbarians have changed, they wear tweed suits and woolen uniforms rather than furs and mail, and in place of horses they mount machines of steel and death, but they are no less implacable for all that. They will not rest, not at all, until they have destroyed all that is good and human in the world and turned freedom and justice themselves into commodities that can be bought and sold and owned.

"And thus denied.

"Citoyens, we shall not live to see you enslaved by the tyrannical invader. And should your champions fall today, remember that they are but the soldiers of a greater power, that cannot be defeated so long as men walk the Earth and dream of dignity. These barbarians are the enemies of Hope. And that is why they will fail."

Pact forces January 1, 1926

Siberian Strategic Direction (TVD)(Russian command)
HQ Chita
Siberian Front
1 x 8 point Garrison,1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 HQ in Khabarovsk. 8 Russian 7 point Infantry corps within two hexes of Khabarovsk. 1 Figher unit, 3 bomber units at Khabarovsk. 2 x 6 point Infantry corps at Chita.

Currently in Siberia the Japanese control Vladivostok, Konstantinovsk, Magadan, and Petropovlovsk and a few minor outposts between Kamchatka and Magadan. The Japanese are iced in for the winter at this time, and have 1 HQ, 5 x 6 point infantry corps and 2 x 7 point infantry corps in Siberia (the bulk of their army)

An armistice is in effect between the Russians and Japanese and Japan has officially declared itself neutral, withdrawn from the LTA and pulled out of the war.

Chinese Home Forces Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
Interned in Taiwan: 20 heavy cruisers, 60 large destroyers, 240 torpedo boats
In drydock (Canton): 2 battleships
3 Chinese 6 point garrisons (Canton, Shanghai, Mukden),
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Mukden)
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Port Arthur)
1 fighter, 1 bomber, 1 naval air (Canton)
1 Chinese 5 point garrison (Tsingtao)
2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (Pnom Penh)

additional forces are under construction

Southeast Asia Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
1 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (Rangoon)
1 Chinese 5 point infantry corps, 1 Chinese HQ (jungle hex northeast of Burma oil hex)
1 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (Burma oil hex)

South Asia TVD (Russian command)
1 Russian 5 point Alpine corps (hex west of Peshwar)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Rawalpindi)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Multan)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex southwest of Kabul)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (3 hexes west of Delhi)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (4 hexes west of Delhi)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber units (Kabul)
3 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (1 is 2 hexes east of Meshed, 1 southeast and adjacent to Meshed, 1 is hex northwest of Peshwar
2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps (4 hexes west of Delhi)
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps (Samarkand)




Russian Home Forces
Poland 2 x 3 point cavalry corps
Hungary 1 x 6 point infantry corps
Ukraine 8 x 3 point cavalry corps
Moscow: 1 x 10 point garrison,
Riga: 1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 coast defense unit
Helsinki 1 x 6 point infantry corps
Petrograd: 2 railroad siege artillery units
Petrograd Fleet: 12 destroyers, 18 corvettes needing repairs (considered one light ship, needs 2 points to go back into action), plus 40 submarines
Black Sea Fleet (Sevastapol) 1 x 6 point amphibious corps, 1 shipping unit

Mideast Area
Turkish forces (neutral at this time)

Egypt - 1 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Suez), 1 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Suez), 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Alexandria,),
Persia -2 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur)
Iraq – 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Basra), 1 Turkish 4 point garrison unit (Baghdad)
Arabia – 1 Turkish 2 point Cavalry corps (Riyadh)
Syria – 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Damascus), 1 Turkish 3 point Cavalry corps (Damascus)
Home Forces – 1 Turkish 5 point infantry corps, 1 Turkish 4 point Amphibious unit, 1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 Turkish 6 point garrison (Gallipolli), 1 Turkish 4 point Alpine corps (Ezrurum),
Turkish fleet – 5 battleships, 1 carrier,34 light cruisers, 48 destroyers, 30 torpedo boats, plus 40 submarines (based in the Sea of Marmara)

Southern TVD (Russian command)(directs operations in Italy and Balkans)
Italian front
2 German 5 point Alpine units (Brenner Pass, 2 hexes southwest of Munich),
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps (1 hex northwest of Trieste)
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit (Trieste)
1 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 Yugoslav 5 point infantry corps (Pola)
1 Russian HQ, 2 Russian 6 point mechanized corps (hex east of Trieste)


Yugoslav home forces:
2 Yugoslav 5 point Alpine Corps (Greek border), 2 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 HQ (Sarajevo) Yugoslav fleet 1 light ship (Zara)

Western TVD (Russian / French / German join command, Russian overall command)(directs operations against LTA forces in France)
Western Front
Rouen: 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit
Le Havre: 1 German 6 point infantry corps
Hex east of Rouen: 1 French HQ, 1 French 6 point Armored corps, 1 French 6 point infantry
Lille: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, 1 French HQ, 1 French bomber unit,
Calais: 1 French coast artillery unit, 1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point garrison unit
Boulogne: 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 French Naval air unit, 1 German naval air unit
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, 2 French fighter units, 2 French bomber units
Hex east of Paris: 2 German 7 point infantry corps
Wooded hex southeast of Paris: 2 German 6 point infantry corps
Hex northeast of Paris: 1 French HQ, 2 Russian 5 point Infantry corps (both disorganized)
Crossroads hex 2 hexes east of Paris: 1 German HQ,
Hex southeast of wooded hex: 2 German 7 point infantry corps
Mountain hex on Swiss border: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps, 1 German Alpine corps
Corsica garrison (isolated and out of supply) 1 French 5 point garrison unit

German Home Forces
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Bremen)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Kiel)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German HQ, 2 German fighter units, 2 German naval air units, (Hamburg)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German 5 point Alpine Corps, 1 German HQ (Munich)
2 German 4 point paratrooper corps, 2 German air transport units, 1 German fighter (Berlin)
2 German fighter units, 2 German bomber units (Cologne)
2 German fighter units, 2 German bomber units (Aachen)
1 German bomber unit (Stuttgart)

Atlantic Fleet
available for operations: 89 German submarines, 43 Russian submarines, 10 Russian destroyers, 5 German light cruisers, 20 German destroyers. All other ships, including 2 battleships, 2 battle cruisers, 5 light cruisers, 20 destroyers (all of which were seriously damaged) have been scrapped and their crews sent to man either coast defense units or to provide crews for submarines.

In addition, another 40 Russian submarines and 20 French submarines will join the fleet in March (railed from elsewhere) and additional submarines are under construction

Additional Russian warships are currently awaiting completion and have been laid up for the duration of the war, their intended crews, weapons and other significant equipment assigned to coast defense or siege artillery units.

LTA Forces January 1, 1926
ASIA and PACIFIC
Far East Command (HQ Manila) (directs operations against China and Russia in Southeast Asia, East Asia and the Pacific and associated waters. Commander is American)

US ComSubPac
30 S class boats (Manila)
40 S class boats (San Diego)
plus 14 submarine tenders

7th Fleet (Truk lagoon)
Light cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan, San Diego, Colombia, Minneapolis, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, 25 destroyers,
Plus Australian fleet with Light cruisers Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 5 destroyers

En route to join 7th Fleet (currently in San Diego or Hawaii)
Carriers William McKinley, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln (60 aircraft each) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, 30 destroyers plus 1 US amphibious unit

US 5th Fleet (Pearl Harbor)
Aircraft Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga (100 aircraft each), heavy cruisers: Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Light cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, plus 30 destroyers

US 9th Fleet (Tahiti)
5 gunboats, 20 misc Coast Guard cutters and patrol boats

Philippine Islands Garrison
1 Philippine Army 5 point garrison unit in a fortification (Corrigedor), 1 US Army 6 point infantry corps, 1 Philippine Air Force fighter unit, 1 US Naval air unit

Malaya
1 Indian 6 point infantry corps, 1 UK 6 point infantry corps in a fortification (Singapore), 1 South African 5 point infantry corps (Kuala Lampur),

South Asia Command (HQ Delhi)(directs operations in the defense of India) (British commander)
Royal Navy Force H (Aden)
Carriers Furious, Glorious, Courageous (50 aircraft each), battle cruiser Renown, Light cruisers Cassandra, Calcutta, Cairo, Colombo, Danae, Dauntless, Delhi, Despatch, Diomede, Dublin, plus 20 destroyers
Plus 1 Australian amphibious unit, 1 Canadian amphibious unit

Royal Navy Eastern Fleet (Colombo)
Light Cruisers Natal (RSAN), Durban (RSAN), Capetown (RSAN), Pretoria (RSAN), 10 RSAN destroyers

Indus River front
2 Indian 6 point corps(Peshwar,), 2 Indian 5 point infantry corps (Multan), 2 Indian 6 point infantry corps (Rawalpindi), 2 Indian 7 point infantry corps Infantry (Lahore) 1 Anzac 4 point cavalry, 1 Indian 5 point Infantry at Karachi,
1 HQ 1 Indian 5 point garrison, (Delhi)

Burma Front
1 Indian 7 point mechanized corps (mountain border hex next to Dacca)
2 Indian 6 point mechanized corps (Dacca)
1 Indian 5 point garrison (Colombo)

Mideast Command (defense of Suez Canal and approaches) (British commander)
Egypt Garrison command
British 6 point garrison (Suez), British 6 point garrison (Port Said), British 7 point infantry corps (Alexandria)

Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet (Alexandria)
Light cruisers Chatham, Dublin, Southhampton, Birmingham, Lowestoft, Adelaide, Nottingham, Caroline, 20 destroyers, 20 fleet submarines

Italian Command (defense of Italy and approaches) (Italian commander)
Italian Adriatic Force
Light Cruisers Pisa, Arnalfi, 10 destroyers, 50 submarines

Italian Battle Fleet
Battleships Conte Di Cavour, Giulio Caseare, Carrier Vittorio Emanuele, Light cruisers Basilicata, Campania, Quarto, Nino Bixio, Marsala,, 20 destroyers

US 6th Fleet (Tangiers)
Light cruisers Houston, San Diego, Brooklyn, Boston, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, 20 destroyers

Allied 2nd Army Group
1 UK HQ, 2 British 6 point mechanized corps, 1 Colombian fighter unit (Milan), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps (hex east of Genoa), 2 US 6 point mechanized corps (one in each hex south of River Po), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps, 1 US HQ, 2 US fighters (Florence), 1 Italian HQ, 2 Italian fighters (Turin), 1 US 6 point mechanized corps (La Spezia), , 2 Italian 5 point infantry corps,1 Italian HQ, 1 Italian bomber (Leghorn), 1 Italian 5 point garrison unit (Tripoli, Libya). 2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Rome)

Northwest Europe Command (HQ London)(Direct Allied forces in combat and occupation duty on the continent of Europe outside of Italy)

Seine River Front
US 15th Army Group
2 US 8 point mechanized corps (resource hex southwest of Rouen), 2 US 9 point mechanized corps (west of Paris), 2 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex southwest of Paris), 2 US 8 point mechanized corps (hex southeast of Paris), 1 US HQ, 2 US fighter units, (1 hex east of St. Malo), 1 US HQ, 2 US 8 point mechanized corps 2 US fighter units, (Cherbourg), 2 US 8 point mechanized corps, 2 US bomber units (St. Malo),

British 21st Army Group
2 UK 9 point mechanized corps (Vichy), 2 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex northwest of Vichy), 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy), 1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (Toulouse), 2 US 5 point Alpine corps (Lyon), 1 UK HQ (1 hex east of Nantes), 1 UK HQ, 2 UK bomber units (Nantes), 1 Canadian HQ, 2 UK fighter units (2 hexes east of Nantes),

LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 10 point infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve), , 2 UK 7 point infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve), 1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Santander, reserve), 2 US 8 point mechanized corps (Madrid, reserve), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps, 1 US 8 point mechanized corps (Barcelona, reserve),

1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation), 1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation), 1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Malaga, occupation),), 1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation), 1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Vigo, occupation), 1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz), 2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Bayonne, occupation), 1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
5 point UK garrison, 1 fighter unit, 2 Colombian fighter units, 1 bomber unit, (fortified Dover), 5 point UK garrison (fortified Scapa Flow), 5 point UK garrison (London) 1 UK naval air unit (Dover), 1 UK naval air unit (Belfast)

Atlantic Command (HQ Belfast) (directs Allied naval forces in Atlantic and North Sea_
British Home Fleet (Scapa Flow)
2 battleships (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite), 5 heavy cruisers (Kent, Suffolk, Berwick, Cornwall, Cumberland), 8 Light cruisers, 40 destroyers, 60 submarines

Will join Home Fleet (US East Coast)
Battlecruiser Hood, Battleships Nelson, Rodney, Barham, Malaya plus 5 light cruisers

Western Approaches Fleet (Belfast, Liverpool and Iceland)
30 Canadian destroyers, 35 Canadian corvettes, 50 British destroyers, 200 British corvettes,

New to the fleet (arrived in January)
battleships North Carolina, Washington heavy cruisers Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem, 20 destroyers, 40 sub chasers

arriving in March
2 Battleships (North Carolina class, South Dakota, Alabama), 5 light cruisers (Brooklyn class, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise attack 1, protection 1 speed 7 range 6), 20 destroyers, 40 subchasers

2nd Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania , 20 destroyers

10th Fleet (Escort force Atlantic)
80 destroyers, 160 subchasers + 120 US subchasers in Caribbean, Atlantic coast and Gulf of Mexico plus 1 US naval air unit

US Home Forces
None at this time, more under construction

Colombian home forces
1 battlecruiser, 4 heavy cruisers, 20 destroyers, 4 submarines
1 Alpine corps, 1 mechanized corps, 2 infantry corps, 1 fighter unit

Ecuador home forces
2 infantry corps

Bolivia Home forces
2 infantry corps



so that LTA and Pact forces are close to one another for ease of research and edited for corrections

Initiative and Weather January / February 1926
Arctic Zone -- Severe Winter, all movement costs doubled, attack odds reduced by 2 columns (except winter trained troops, reduced by 1 column), no invasion, no aircraft, supply range halved,

Northern Temperate Zone -- Winter, no invasions, aircraft bombing halved, attacks reduced by 1 odds column, supply range reduced by 2 hexes (Europe map), or 1 hex (Asia map). HQs movement halved.

South Temperate, Mediterranean and North Monsoon Zone -- clear weather

South Monsoon Zone -- Monsoon, movement costs doubled, no invasions, aircraft bombing halved, land attacks -1 odds column,


Initiative -- Pact goes first

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Builds for January 1926

Japan (10 points a turn)
2 carriers (Zuikaku, Shokaku) in May 1926, (already payed for)
January Turn (15 Points)(5 US points from 1925)
2xAmphibious Corps (12 points, finish in January 27)
1xInfantry Corps (2points, finish march 26)
1 point held in reserve

Germany (20 points a turn)
Jan/Feb
4 armored cavalry (4 pts for 6 turns, 4 pts total/turn)
3 submarines (3 pts for 6 turns, 7 pts total/turn)
2 garrisons (2 pts for 3 turns, 9 pts total/turn)
4 mechanized infantry (4 pts for 5 turns, 13 pts total/turn)
7 infantry (7 pts for 2 turns, 20 pts total/turn)

Mar/Apr
4 armored cavalry (4 pts for 5 turns, 4 pts total/turn)
3 submarines (3 pts for 5 turns, 7 pts total/turn)
2 garrisons (2 pts for 2 turns, 9 pts total/turn)
4 mechanized infantry (4 pts for 4 turns, 13 pts total/turn)
7 infantry (7 pts for 1 turn, 20 pts total/turn) finished this turn

May/Jun
4 armored cavalry (4 pts for 4 turns, 4 pts total/turn)
3 submarines (3 pts for 4 turns, 7 pts total/turn)
2 garrisons (2 pts for 1 turn, 9 pts total/turn) finished this turn
2 garrisons (2 pts for 3 turns, 11 pts total/turn)
2 fighters (2 pts for 3 turns, 13 pts total/turn)
4 mechanized infantry (4 pts for 3 turns, 17 pts total/turn)
3 infantry (3 pts for 2 turns, 20 pts total/turn)

Jul/Aug
4 armored cavalry (4 pts for 3 turns, 4 pts total/turn)
3 submarines (3 pts for 3 turns, 7 pts total/turn)
2 garrisons (2 pts for 2 turns, 9 pts total/turn)
2 fighters (2 pts for 2 turns, 11 pts total/turn)
4 mechanized infantry (4 pts for 2 turns, 15 pts total/turn)
3 infantry (3 pts for 1 turns, 18 pts total/turn) finished this turn
2 fighters (2 pts for 3 turns, 20 pts total/turn)

Sep/Oct
4 armored cavalry (4 pts for 2 turns, 4 pts total/turn)
3 submarines (3 pts for 2 turns, 7 pts total/turn)
2 garrisons (2 pts for 1 turn, 9 pts total/turn) finished this turn
2 fighters (2 pts for 1 turn, 11 pts total/turn) finished this turn
4 mechanized infantry (4 pts for 1 turn, 15 pts total/turn) finished this turn
3 infantry (3 pts for 2 turns, 18 pts total/turn)
2 fighters (2 pts for 2 turns, 20 pts total/turn)

Nov/Dec
4 armored cavalry (4 pts for 1 turn, 4 pts total/turn) finished this turn
3 submarines (3 pts for 1 turn, 7 pts total/turn) finished this turn
3 infantry (3 pts for 1 turns, 10 pts total/turn) finished this turn
2 fighters (2 pts for 1 turns, 12 pts total/turn) finished this turn

8 production points reserved for November/December turn, 1926

Builds for the year (subject to change turn by turn):
13 infantry, 4 mechanized infantry, 4 armored cavalry, 4 garrisons, 4 fighters, 3 submarines

Russia
1926: January and February 22 pts
Russia - 20 pts/turn + 2 from Romania (help with researching napalm).
All research will be shared with allies once research is completed.

Napalm - 2 pts (4 pts over 2 turns) Complete in Mar/Apr
Tactical Voice Radio - 2 pts (12 pts over 6 turns)
Strategic Bombing - 2 pts (12 pts over 6 turns)
Nerve Gas - 1 pt (12 pts over 12 turns)
2 Theater Supply Units - 2 pts (4 pts over 2 turns) Complete in Mar/Apr
1 Submarine - 1 pt (1 pt over 6 turns)
Upgrade 4 Afghan Cavalry to Motorized - 4 pts (8 pts over 2 turns) Complete in Mar/Apr
6 Production Points to France in compensation for loss
2 Production Points for railway construction linking Kabul and [Classified]

Czechoslovakia 3 points a turn (to Hungary)

Other Projects:
Vladivostok Industry to Magnitogorsk Complete in Jan/Feb
Venetian Industry to Magnitogorsk Complete in Mar/Apr
French Industry to Novosibirsk, Perm, Sverdlovsk Complete in May/Jun
1 Light Ship completed in Nov/Dec '25, laid up for 1 coastal battery at Riga
2 Light Ships completed in Jan/Feb '26, laid up for 2 Railway Siege Guns
Total = 84 points (13 industry points + 1 point from Vietnam)

China 13 points a turn
1 HQ available May 26 (previously purchased)
6 points for 3 factories (need 30 more points to finish in Jan 27)
2 points for 2 HQs (need 10 more points, finish Sept 26)
5 points for 5 Garrison units (10 more points needed, finish in May 26)

other units desired this year are 2 more garrisons, 7 infantry corps, plus some points to be allocated to Australia if peace treaty is signed.

Hungary (4 points a turn including assistance)
1 point mechanized corps (Jan 27)
2 points infantry corps (March 26)
1 point motorized corps (Aug 26)

other units desired this year are 2 infantry corps, 1 fighter unit, 1 motorized corps


Yugoslavia
January builds 5 points a turn
1 point – factory (available jan 28)
2 points fighter unit (march 26)
2 points infantry corps (available March 26)

other units desired this year are 2 mechanized corps, 1 armored corps, 1 infantry corps, 1 garrison corps

France (12 points a turn including assistance)
January builds
1 point HQ unit (available in Jan 27, 5 more points needed)
4 points for 4 Infantry corps (available in Mar 26, 4 more points needed)
2 points for fortifications (available in Mar 26, need a location when started, 2 more points needed)
2 points for flak artillery and anti tank artillery (available in July 26, 4 more points needed)
1 point to changed armored corps to armored cavalry corps (converts from 6 point to 8 point unit)
2 points for 2 motorized infantry corps (finish in May 26, 4 more points needed)
3 points are needed to finish radar research (and have not been allocated, so consider it at a halt for the moment)

Ottoman Empire (4 points a turn plus a one time bonus of 8 points for Jan turn)
4 points for 2 infantry corps (available Mar 26, these are 5 point corps)
2 points for 1 HQ unit (available Jan 27, 5 more points needed)
2 points to upgrade a 4 point infantry to a 7 point mechanized corps (available March 26)
4 points for 2 factories (available in Jan 27, 20 more points needed)

Argentina 3 points a turn
1 point for conversion of motorized corps to mechanized corps (available Mar 26)
1 point for factory (2 more points needed to finish and to be available Aug 26)
1 point for light ship (could be 5 cruisers or 20 destroyers or 40 ASW corvettes)(available Nov 26, 3 points already spent, 4 more needed, also need to specify which type of light ship being finished)

other units desired this year are 1 infantry corps (Zionists), 1garrison corps, 1 fighter unit

Bulgaria 2 points a turn
1 point factory (completed January 28)
1 point shipping unit (completed Nov 27)

Sweden 4 points a turn
1 point (light ship 2 light cruisers, 12 destroyers, finish in Mar 28, 7 more points needed)
1 point (shipping unit, 4 more points needed, complete in Nov 27)
2 points a turn to Germany

South Africa (3 points a turn)
2 points for factory (complete in Jan 27)
1 point for headquarters unit (complete in Jan 27)
2 points for 1 militia unit (available January 27)(points can’t be saved from year to year)

Greece (1 point a turn)
1 point for factory (finish in Jan 27)

Belgium (4 points a turn)
4 points for 2 factories (complete Jan 27)

Netherlands (3 points a turn)
1 point a turn to Germany (already included)
1 point capital ship (2 Machenson class battle cruisers based on German ship for service in Dutch East Indies)

India (2 points a turn + US assistance)
1 point convert garrison unit to motorized infantry (available March 26)
2 point for 1 fighter unit (March 26)

Canada 2 points a turn + 3 points a turn to UK (already included)
2 points to continue factory (6 more points needed, finish in July 26)

Australia & New Zealand 3 points a turn (+3 points to UK, already included)
4 points to build a pair of 7 point infantry corps (3rd and 4th Anzac corps)(available Mar 26)

UK 20 points a turn
1 point to convert 7 point Infantry corps at Alexandria to 8 point motorized infantry corps (March 26)
2 points to convert 6 point garrisons at Port Said and Suez to 7 point motorized infantry corps (March 26)
2 point to covert 6 point UK infantry corps and Indian 6 point infantry corps at Singapore to 7 point motorized infantry corps (March 26)
2 points to covert 6 point UK mechanized infantry corps in Milan to 7 point armored cavalry corps (March 26)
2 points to convert 7 point UK infantry corps in Bordeaux to 8 point motorized infantry corps (March 26)
2 points to continue strategic bombing research (available July 26, 4 more points needed)
6 points to rebuild damaged factories at Nantes and Brest (5 more points needed, finish in Jan 27)
1 point to continue 1 bomber (1 more point needed, available May 26)
1 point to start 1 HQ (5 more points needed, finish Jan 27)
1 point to convert 5 point garrison at Dover to 6 point motorized infantry corps

USA
monthly production available January 26 is 43 points
2 points to Spain (to rebuild Madrid production, requires 12 points total and Madrid returns to production in Jan 27)
1 point to India (to convert 5 point garrison to a 6 point motorized infantry corps which arrives Mar)
2 points to Philippines for 1 fighter unit (which arrives Mar 26)
2 points for 2 carrier units (6 Enterprise class carriers - Enterprise, Yorktown, Wasp, Hornet, which will show up in 10 turns, or July 1927, requires 1 point a turn, each will carry 100 aircraft, have protection of 2, speed of 7, range of 6)
3 points to start 3 bomber units (arrive May 26)
8 points to repair 4 British capital ships (8 battleships)
1 point to start conversion 10 point infantry corps in Lisbon to 12 point mechanized corps available in July 26 (special note, this is the only corps in the US Army that had 3 peacetime regular infantry divisions in it, making it somewhat elite)
2 points for start an artificial port (2 more points needed, available May)
2 points to start 2 HQs (shows up July 26)
4 points (tactical voice radio, chemical warfare, requires 24 points total to complete both, which will finish in Jan 27)
2 points to Italy (allows conversion of 2 Italian 4 point infantry in Leghorne to 2 Italian 5 point Alpine corps (available in March)
3 points to convert 3 mechanized corps in Spain to armored cavalry corps (available in March)
2 points to convert 2 mechanized corps in Spain to armored corps (available in March)
4 points to start 4 artillery units (finish in May)
2 points to start 2 shipping unit (3 more points needed, available in Sept 26)
2 points (further radar work, 2 more points needed, finish in May 26)

Spain (under US control) 2points a turn +2 points US aid
2 points / rebuilding Madrid (finish in Jan 27)
2 points / upgrading Spanish rail (add +1 to strategic moves

Italy (8 points a turn plus US assistance)
2 points for 2 infantry corps (Jan 26)
4 points to repair all warships
2 points for bomber units (available May 26, 4 more points needed)

Portugal 1 point a turn
1 point to upgrade 4 point infantry in Vigo to 5 point motorized infantry corps (March 26)

how did i go from 7 points a turn, to 10 and then back down to 7. I'm confused.

how did i go from 7 points a turn, to 10 and then back down to 7. I'm confused.

as well you should be, I certainly am. I will fix it

didn't add me in :(

January 1926 builds for all

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Colombia will be added

My corps should be able to occupy Rangoon without a fight seeing that Rangoon is unoccuiped by the British. Thus this turn I should be able to acquire my 15th production point (the point from Burma) as the city won't be destroyed because there won't be combat like in Italy.

I'll hold Burma until agreements are reached regarding Burma's vote and such that is being discussed at the peace table.

East Asia and Pacific Area
Pact phase 1
The Russian honor the armistice in Siberia, while the Chinese fleet remains in port.
During the strategic move phase, the Chinese shift 2 infantry corps to the Burmese border from Cambodia (as far as they can get), while the Russians shift 2 Russian infantry to South Asia and 4 Russian corps (2 x 7 point infantry and 2 x 6 point infantry) to Germany (using 7 of their 11 moves for the turn, leaving 4 left for further shifting later in the turn.)

Allied phase 1
Although no longer in the LTA, the Japanese continue to move during the Allied phases unless they become Pact or enemy forces. However, they remain in port.


The US 5th Fleet leaves Pearl Harbor and steams across the Pacific, entering the South China Sea with 2 carriers, 25 cruisers and 30 destroyers, along with 30 submarines now patrolling of Chinese ports and Taiwan. The US 7th Fleet goes to sea near Truk and is joined by reinforcements from California, increasing its strength to 4 carriers, 4 battleships, 13 cruisers, and 60 destroyers, along with an American 10 point amphibious unit. Along with that massive shift in naval forces is the arrival of another 40 American submarines that steam from California to Manila.

Pact Phase 2
The Russians and Chinese remain inactive, but 1 Russian fighter unit and 3 Russian bomber units are strategically moved from Siberia to South Asia (using the remaining 4 Russian strategic moves for the turn).

Allied Phase 2
The Americans return to port with the 3rd Fleet at Manila (protected by the Philippine Air Force), and the 7th Fleet returns to port as well, also to Manila Bay (which is now the home of the greatest concentration of sea power on the planet at the moment).

IC Explanation
The US Navy concentrates in the Philippines while the Chinese remain in hiding in Taiwan and the Russians shift forces to move active theaters.


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South Asia
Russian Phase 1
The Russians launch Operation Bagration, the invasion of India. 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps 3 hexes east of Delhi crosses the Indus River south of Multan. 2 more corps just across the river from Multan move northeast, while 2 more infantry corps move in to the hex just vacated, while 2 more corps move into the hex vacated by that group. This gives the Russians 36 points of ground strength versus 10 points of Indian strength (doubled for major city, tripled due to the river to 30 points).

Further south, 2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps move adjacent to Karachi, while 4 Russian 3 point cavalry corps assemble from Kabul and western Afghanistan 4 hexes west of Lahore and 2 hexes west of Lahore. The Allied position at Karachi is also too strong to attack without serious risks, with 9 points (doubled) of defense. The HQ adjacent to Kabul moves adjacent to Multan.

The Russians elect not to attack. They use 2 strategic moves to move 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps from near Kharbolovosk to Kabul. (both remain disorganized for the turn).

Meanwhile in the east, the Chinese shift 2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps from Cambodia to the mountain road hex on the Chinese side of the Burmese border (as far as they can strategically move without moving adjacent to an enemy unit).

Allied Phase 1
The Allies face a difficult decision. Launch a counterattack that will likely be very risky and is almost certain to leave the units involved disorganized and possibly vulnerable to a Russian attack, or fall back. The British commander, General Allenby decides on a combination of the two. The 2 Indian 5 point corps at Multan shift southeast to the hex west of Delhi. The 2 Indian 7 point corps in Lahore shifts to Multan, while the 2 Indian 6 point corps at Rawalpindi shift to Lahore and the 2 Indian 6 point corps at Peshwar shift to take their place at Rawalpindi. The Anzac cavalry and Indian infantry at Karachi also withdraw, pulling back to Hyderabad, and the Anzac cavalry then moves adjacent to the Russians to the southeast. This gives the Indians 28 points versus 12 Russian points at the Indus bridgehead. General Allenby decides that the attack is necessary. The Allies will have a 2:1.

Meanwhile on the eastern frontier the Allies look over the Chinese forces in Burma. The Allies move an Indian 7 point mechanized corps 1 hex northeast and 2 Indian 6 point mechanized corps from Dacca to the hex just vacated. This gives the Indians 19 points against a Chinese 5 point infantry corps in the jungle northeast of the oil hexl. This gives the Allies a 3:1 which is modified down to a 2:1 because of the jungle terrain.

At sea, the British move their Eastern Fleet in the Bay of Bengal to provide support to the Indians and ensure no Chinese ships bring supply to the Chinese in Rangoon should the Indian offensive succeed. In addition, shipping brings along both the Canadians and Australian amphibious units, providing a floating reserve for use in Singapore, the Dutch East Indies or Burma.

Although both attacks are risky, success will stall the Russians and put the entire Chinese Army in Burma out of supply. Failure will cost the Indians valuable troops, but the overall strategy of the defense calls for this risky action.

In the west, the British roll a 5, which costs them two corps (they eliminate both 5 point Indian corps) and the Russians 1 corps (a 6 point corps). The Indians are also left disorganized, but the British HQ at Delhi is able to reorganize the 2 Indian 7 point corps and the Anzacs.

In Burma, the Indians have much better success, rolling an 11, and destroying the Chinese infantry corps and are also not disorganized. The Indians move in the 7 point mechanized corps and a 6 point mechanized corps to take the hex, and the entire Chinese army in Burma, over 300,000 is in danger of being isolated and destroyed.

Pact Phase 2
The Chinese are in deep trouble, and lack the offensive power to drive the Indians back in Burma. Both corps on the Chinese border are disorganized after their move, while the 2 corps remaining in Burma can't move in position to reach the Indians or muster enough combat power to drive them back. They elect to remain in place where at least they have more defensive strength.

In the west, the Russian continue their drive. 2 Russian cavalry units adjacent to Karachi move into the now empty city, securing it. The Russian 6 point corps that survived the fighting moves adjacent to Delhi (preventing the upgrade of that garrison to a motorized corps this turn). 2 Russian 6 point corps (and the HQ stacked with them) in the follow up echelon cross the Indus (into the clear hex), the 2 Russian 6 point corps adjacent to Multan also cross the river maintaining a supply link to the Russians next to Delhi 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps take their place, while 2 more cavalry corps move up west of them. In the northwest frontier area, a Russian alpine corps crosses the border and takes undefended Peshwar.

The Russians have 12 points facing the Australians, and 20 points facing the Indians at Hyderbad and decide to attack at both places. Even a costly success will completely shatter the southern flank of the Indus front. The Russians also decide to use their bombers in Kabul, and 3 bombers attack the strong Indian corps located at Multan. The bombers have no success though (needing 1s and getting everything else).

However, they have a 3:1 against the Australians and a 2:1 against the Indians. They get an 8 against the Australians, which are shattered (they turn up again next turn in any major city in India not adjacent to enemy forces) and suffer no losses and are not disorganized. Hyderabad gets the same roll, resulting in the destruction of 1 Russian 6 point infantry and 1 Indian 5 point infantry and the Russians take the city (but the remaining infantry and both cavalry corps are disorganized).

The Russians then use 4 strategic moves to move 1 fighter and 3 bombers from Siberia to their new base at Hyderabad (and use the HQ to reorganize both bombers so that they can be used this turn if possible).

Allied phase two
The Indians are in trouble in the west, and decide to try to crush the Chinese in order to end that threat so that reserves can be shifted. In the west, the 2 Indian 7 point corps in Multan move adjacent (to the northwest) of Delhi, while 2 Indian 6 point corps leave Lahore for Multan and the 2 Indian 6 point corps in Rawalpindi shift to Lahore.

In the east, the Allies decide for an attack on both remaining Chinese corps. The British carriers launch airstrikes against the Chinese corps in Rangoon, managing to disorganize it (and using up their aircraft for the turn except for sea combat). Further north in the mountains of northwest Burma, the Indians have 19 points vs 10 points of Chinese defense. This is a 3:2 attack and is extremely risky, but Indians manage a 7, destroying that Chinese corps as well, although at the cost of a 6 point Indian mechanized corps. Both Indian corps that remain take the hex, although are now disorganized. This now cuts the Chinese out of supply in Rangoon, and they are already disorganized there.

The Australians and Canadians then storm ashore. They have 16 points of ground strength and 8 points of naval gunfire support, giving the Allies 24 points vs 6 points of defending Chinese (reduced to 3 for out of supply and disorganized, but doubled for major city). This is a 4:1 +1, and the Allies get a 3 which becomes a 4, sufficient to destroy the single Chinese corps and get ashore without serious losses (although both units are left disorganized).

The turns ends at this point
Indian losses: 1 mechanized corps, 3 infantry corps destroyed (400,000 casualties)
Anzac losses: 1 cavalry corps shattered (20,000 casualties)
Russian losses: 2 infantry corps destroyed, (200,000 casualties)
Chinese losses: 3 infantry corps, 1 HQ destroyed (400,000 casualties, including 200,000 POWs)

At the end of the turn:
The Allies have 1 Indian 6 point mechanized corps and 1 Indian 7 point mechanized corps in the oil hex in Burma. They have 1 Australian 8 point amphibious unit and 1 Canadian 8 point unit in Rangoon.

In western India, the British have 1 HQ, 1 Indian 5 point garrison in Delhi, 2 Indian 7 point infantry northwest of Delhi, 2 Indian 6 point infantry in Multan and 2 Indian 6 point infantry in Lahore.

In Burma, all Chinese forces in that country have been destroyed and they have 2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps on the Chinese/Burma border. Their offensive power has also been destroyed as without a headquarters they cannot supply units outside of their country unless they own a port or have headquarters support from an allied HQ.

In western India and Afghanistan the Russians have achieved the first part of their offensive and can claim great success. They have taken Peshwar, Karachi and Hyderabad, and have an open road to Bombay. They have 2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps, 1 fighter unit and 3 bomber units in Hyderabad, 1 Russian 6 point infantry corps in the clear hex northwest of Hyderabad.

Futher north, they have 1 Russian 6 point infantry corps directly adjacent to Delhi, 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps and 1 HQ a hex west of that, and 2 Russian 3 point cavalry on the other side of the river behind them. They also have 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps west of Multan, and 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps west of Lahore and 1 Russian 5 point Alpine corps in Peshwar.

Behind them are 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps, 1 fighter unit and 3 bomber units in Kabul, 2 Russian 3 point cavalry units in Karachi, and 1 Russian 3 point cavalry unit 1 hex east of Kabul (on occupation duty). They have 2 additional Russian 5 point infantry corps 1 hex northwest of Kabul.

In short, the Indians are in trouble. But at least they only have to deal with one front now.

IC explanation.
The Russians launch a massive offensive on the Indus River front, and lever the Allies out of Karachi and Pehswar, and after heaving fighting, destroy 3 Indian infantry corps near Hyderabad and take that city, which forces the Allies to pull back from Rawalapindi. The Russians manage to get to the gates of Delhi as well, and the government of the Dominion of India is forced to move to the summer capital of Lucknow.

However, the Allies do manage to inflict serious casualties on the Russians as well and still have an intact army.

In Burma the Allies go on the attack, launching a major offensive in northern India that shatters the Chinese supply lines, and then assault the cutoff Chinese in both northern China and launch a major amphibious assault with Australian and Canadian veterans from France at Rangoon. In 2 months the Chinese army in Burma is utterly destroyed and that issue at least is no longer relevant in the Hague.

But a serious situation now exists in western India, and the Indian Army is in danger of being isolated from the rest of India and the road is also open to Bombay.

My corps should be able to occupy Rangoon without a fight seeing that Rangoon is unoccuiped by the British. Thus this turn I should be able to acquire my 15th production point (the point from Burma) as the city won't be destroyed because there won't be combat like in Italy.

I'll hold Burma until agreements are reached regarding Burma's vote and such that is being discussed at the peace table.

you took Rangoon in December... and the British took it back in February (see above), although its not in very good shape after it was "liberated"

ooc
a short delay as the war moderator has the stomach flu

ooc
a short delay as the war moderator has the stomach flu
That's okay, I'll take over.

On the Western Front, Pact forces regroup and break through the Allied lines, smashing them to flinders and driving them back to the sea, liberating France in the process without suffering any damage to the themselves. Deftly evading the Allied fleets in the Channel, Russian and German bombers fly unimpeded to England and devastate that country entirely. England loses all production for the rest of the year. And rebellions start in Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. And the Allied commander of the Spanish occupation is assassinated in his bed and his troops all surrender.

Oh yeah, and the Ethiopians join the Pact and kill every white man in Africa.

Did I forget anything?

Get well soon. Stomach flu sucks.

That's okay, I'll take over.

On the Western Front, Pact forces regroup and break through the Allied lines, smashing them to flinders and driving them back to the sea, liberating France in the process without suffering any damage to the themselves. Deftly evading the Allied fleets in the Channel, Russian and German bombers fly unimpeded to England and devastate that country entirely. England loses all production for the rest of the year. And rebellions start in Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. And the Allied commander of the Spanish occupation is assassinated in his bed and his troops all surrender.

Oh yeah, and the Ethiopians join the Pact and kill every white man in Africa.

Did I forget anything?

Get well soon. Stomach flu sucks.

(OOC: lol, I love it :P)

That's okay, I'll take over.

On the Western Front, Pact forces regroup and break through the Allied lines, smashing them to flinders and driving them back to the sea, liberating France in the process without suffering any damage to the themselves. Deftly evading the Allied fleets in the Channel, Russian and German bombers fly unimpeded to England and devastate that country entirely. England loses all production for the rest of the year. And rebellions start in Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. And the Allied commander of the Spanish occupation is assassinated in his bed and his troops all surrender.

Oh yeah, and the Ethiopians join the Pact and kill every white man in Africa.

Did I forget anything?

Get well soon. Stomach flu sucks.

OOC: You forgot that Japan Turns on the US, uses its massive carrier force to sink the whole US navy and works its way across the pacific and takes every possesion of the US west of California to include alaska.

In a perfect world...............

Communists and Anarchists in the north have taken it upon themselves to try to sabotage American vehicles and raid outposts before they began their inevitable asault against France. They of course have no Government ties and are recieving funding from their Partys.

Note: the Communist and Anarchist Partys hold no seats in the Cortes General as they were deemed to revolutionary and unstable.

A similar movement erupts in France, calling themselves Liberation Army of France, they begin attacking supply routes, destroying bridges, and generally causing a mess for the occupation forces, especially the British.

guerilla actions like the above are handled by a 1d6 die roll, modified by the number of corps assigned to occupation duty. For example, there are over 1 million Allied troops in Spain at the moment, and over 600,000 of them, including 4 corps of Moroccans and 1 corps of Latin American troops are specifically assigned to deal with guerillas. Spanish speaking troops are used to locate the hard core cases and they are either shot, or sent to Morocco to make little rocks out of big rocks.

Also remember the US peace terms were very specific regarding guerilla movements in Spain. If captured, they are shot without trial.

As to France, there are nearly that many troops assigned to occupation duty as well, so French and Spanish guerilla activity will be pinpricks.

ooc
feeling somewhat better, so typed up everything that I gamed out yesterday

IC
In Italy, the Allies remain inactive as does the Pact.

January December 1926
The Battle of the Atlantic
The Pact has 120 submarines available for operations and attack Allied shipping in the Atlantic. However, the Allies have nearly 600 escort vessels assigned to convoy duty, and are also conducting heavy air patrols over the North Sea and have mined extensively the English Channel. Fighting is fierce when the frequent winter storms in the North Atlantic allow the Pact submarines to actually find convoys. The Pact manages to sink 310,000 tons of shipping, as well 14 Allied escorts but 16 German and 8 Russian submarines are lost as well.

Battle of France and nearby theaters
Pact Phase 1
2 French fighters and 3 French bombers attack 2 American corps adjacent to Paris, and are intercepted by 2 Colombian fighter units. The French manage to abort both Colombian fighter unit but lose 1 French fighter unit destroyed and a bomber unit is also aborted. French bombers fail to disorganize either American unit. During the strategic move segment the French use 7 of their moves, plus a Czech move to shift 2 fighter units and 2 bomber units Calais, and 2 fighter units and 2 bomber units to Boulogne.. Using their HQs, the Germans and French reorganize the aircraft so that they can participate in combat later in the turn.

In the Ukraine, 2 Russian cavalry corps move overland to Poland, and in the strategic move phase 2 Russian cavalry corps are moved to Karlesruhe (Germany, 1 Yugoslav and 1 Hungarian strategic move used).

Allied Phase 1
The Allies decide to attack the wooded area southeast of Paris to prepare to flank the Seine Line. 2 US 9 point corps and 4 UK 9 point corps move adjacent, and the Americans and British commit 4 bombers and 4 fighters. The Germans commit 4 fighters to defend the hex, and 3 German, 1 British and 1 American fighter units are destroyed, and 2 UK bombers are aborted. The 2 surviving American bombers manage to disorganize both German infantry corps. The Allies have 54 points vs 14 points of German defense. The Allies have 3:1 which is reduced to 2:1 because of the winter weather. The Allies get a 7 which becomes an 8, and both German infantry corps are eliminated as is 1 British corps. The British take the hex, and 2 British HQs reorganize the attacking corps. This also cuts the German and French Alpine corps in the mountains to the southeast out of supply as well.

The Allies move 2 American fighters and 1 Italian bomber out of Italy to Vichy and they are reorganized as well.

Pact Phase 2
The Pact determine that they have they have to counterattack to restore the line. 2 Russian 5 point corps replace 2 French corps between Rouen and Paris, which are then shifted adjacent to the British. The French also move up their armored corps and another infantry corps adjacent as well. This gives the Pact 38 points on the ground vs 18 points of British. They also commit 4 German bomber units to attack the British, are they are intercepted by 2 American fighters, who destroy 1 German bomber, abort another, but 2 get through and manage to disrupt one of the British corps. The ground attack is 2:1, reduced to 3:2+1 because of the weather. The Pact rolls poorly though, and gets a 4, losing 1 French infantry corps, and all the rest are disorganized. However, they have managed to restore communications with their Alpine corps and restored a line.

During the strategic move phase the Germans use 2 strategic moves to shift 2 Russian cavalry corps from Poland to Lille.

Allied Phase 2
The Allies launch two attacks this time. 2 American 9 point corps and 2 American 8 point corps are launched at the 2 Russian 5 point corps between Rouen and Paris, and have a 2:1, and the Italian bomber unit at Vichy attacks the Russian corps, and disorganize one. This gives the Americans 2:1+1, and get an 8 on the mobile combat table, destroying 1 Russian corps and pushing the other corps back (and disorganizing it). The Americans move a 9 and 8 point corps into the hex, and have a firm bridgehead. (although all 4 American corps are disorganized).

Further south fighting continues near the wooded hex. The British and Americans have 27 points to attack with, against 12 French points (and the French are disorganized). This gives the Allies 2:1 which becomes 3:2+1. They get a 8 which becomes a 9, and 1 French corps is destroyed and the other is driven back. The Allies move in both American 9 point corps into the hex and Paris is in danger of being encircled.

Losses:
German 3 fighter units, 1 bomber units, 2 infantry corps (1750 aircraft and 200,000 casualties)
French: 1 fighter unit, 2 infantry corps, (200,000 casualties)
Russian: 1 infantry corps (100,000 casualties)
US: 1 fighter unit (500 aircraft),
UK: 1 fighter unit, 1 mechanized corps (100,000 casualties, 500 aircraft)

OOC
Locations of units to be posted later


IC
The Allies launch powerful attacks north and south of Paris and threaten to cut off the city. The French and Germans launch a powerful counterattack as well but fail to drive the British and Americans back in the south, while the Americans get across the Seine between Paris and Rouen. Casualties are heavy, but the slight edge the Allies have in the air and their large numbers of tanks and artillery are enough to retain an edge, in spite of the bitter winter weather.

Both sides have commited nearly everything they have to the fighting, with nearly every aircraft and combat unit available is moved to the front by the Pact. However, the Allies still have very sizeable reserves in Spain and southern France.

Some guerilla activity begins in both Spain and France, but because of the weather, shortage of weapons and dense concentrations of Allied occupation troops fail to acheive more than pinpricks.

Why do the Americans have all these 9 point units while we have only 7's? Can I finally get an answer on that? It disgusts me to see us being attacked at "54 to 14."

i was just wondering that as well, that shouldn't come from experiance, and their technology wasn't the greatest(BAR is the only thing that come to mind, which we have the MG34 so...)

And a MG-32 is going to stop a large tank assault?

Why do the Americans have all these 9 point units while we have only 7's? Can I finally get an answer on that? It disgusts me to see us being attacked at "54 to 14."

mechanized units average 6-10 points, while infantry units average 3-8 points. 6 Allied mechanized units attacked 2 German infantry units.

I realize mechanized units are superior, that's a no-brainer, and also that the Americans attacked with overwhelming numbers. That, too, was obvious.

What I'm wondering is how the numbers are assigned.

Russia, for instance, has been at war more-or-less continuously for seventeen of the last twenty years. Germany about the same. You'd think they'd be pretty good at it with all that practice.

The Americans, by contrast, had a single cakewalk in Venezuela while the British just chased some bandits around in Afghanistan (which the Russians helped them with anyway). They should be pretty damn green. There's a reason why Americans were called "doughboys" during their (er, our) first European war. I'll appreciate that they're probably better equipped - Russia's still developing, and Germany and France are relatively limited in their resources compared to America and Britain, but still.

The disparity in the quality of troops has been bugging me for quite some time, and I have been trying to address it by both TG and post, so it's not like this is just coming up now. But now, as the very of existence the Pact in Europe is actually threatened, this has to be resolved to my satisfaction. It looks as if the numbers are being assigned subjectively. I'm not saying they are, but since I don't know what method is being used, I can't reproduce the results, and therefore cannot have confidence in its fairness.

I would appreciate if this issue were addressed.

Premier Kirov's Third Radio Address from the Bastille, 22 February 1926

My Comrades, People of France, Workingmen of All Countries:

The Armies of Liberty have advanced in India, to the very gates of the brutal Raj itself, and soon no doubt the world will see the beginnings of the long-delayed freedom of our brothers in Asia. After that, Africa.

But we are hard pressed in the West, my comrades. Here, the invaders would seek to reconstruct the slave states they are losing in the rest of the world. The British have demanded that France be occupied for ten years or more as the price of "peace." Madness to be sure - the very land of France itself will reject them, the People will despise them, and the invaders will know not a moment's rest until they depart back across the sea from whence they came. Like the reavers of old, they can only pillage, and make a tyrannical farce of ruling.

Comrades, I will not lie to you. Before us now stretches our darkest hour. But we shall weather it, Comrades. The cause of freedom, once unleashed, can never be suppressed. History is with us my friends. They may break our bones, but never our will.

Comrades! In times past Frenchmen did not flinch at their duty to the Liberty of Mankind! In times past, Frenchmen manned the barricades against the tyrants of old, with courage in their hearts and a song on their lips! Now, Comrades, the World calls upon France once more to man the barricades of Liberty! Now, Comrades, comes France's greatest hour!

Let those who love Liberty stand up and fight. Never has the World needed you more.

Allons enfants de la patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'etendard sanglant est levé
Entendez vous dans les campagnes,
Mugir ces féroces soldats ?
Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras
Egorger nos fils, nos compagnes

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

Que veut cette horde d'esclaves,
de traitres, de rois conjures ?
Pour qui ces ignobles entraves,
Ces fers des longtemps preparés ?
Français pour nous, ah Quel outrage
Quels transports il doit exciter
C'est nous qu'on ose méditer
De rendre à l'antique esclavage

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

Quoi Ces cohortes étrangères
Feraient la loi dans nos foyers
Quoi Ces phalanges mercenaires
Terrasseraient nos fiers guerriers
Grand Dieu ! Par des mains enchainées
Nos fronts sous le joug ploiraient
De vils despotes deviendraient
Les maîtres de nos destinées

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

Tremblez tyrans ! Et vous, perfides,
L'opprobre de tous les partis,
Tremblez Vos projets parricides
Vont enfin recevoir leur prix
Tout est soldat pour vous combattre.
S'ils tombent, nos jeunes heros,
La France en produit de nouveaux,
Contre vous tout prêts à se battre

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

Français, en guerriers magnanimes,
Portez ou retenez vos coups
Epargnez ces tristes victimes,
A regret s'armant contre nous.
Mais ces despotes sanguinaires,
Mais ces complices de Boulle,
Tous ces tigres qui, sans pitié,
Déchirent le sein de leur mère !...

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

Nous entrerons dans la carrière
Quand nos aînés n'y seront plus;
Nous y trouverons leur poussière
Et la trace de leurs vertus.
Bien moins jaloux de leur survivre
Que de partager leur cercueil,
Nous aurons le sublime orgueil
De les venger ou de les suivre.

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

Amour sacré de la patrie,
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs
Liberté, Liberté chérie,
Combats avec tes défenseurs
Sous nos drapeaux, que la victoire
Accoure à tes males accents
Que tes ennemis expirants
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire!

Aux armes, citoyens
Formez vos bataillons
Marchons Marchons
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons

I realize mechanized units are superior, that's a no-brainer, and also that the Americans attacked with overwhelming numbers. That, too, was obvious.

What I'm wondering is how the numbers are assigned.

Russia, for instance, has been at war more-or-less continuously for seventeen of the last twenty years. Germany about the same. You'd think they'd be pretty good at it with all that practice.

The Americans, by contrast, had a single cakewalk in Venezuela while the British just chased some bandits around in Afghanistan (which the Russians helped them with anyway). They should be pretty damn green. There's a reason why Americans were called "doughboys" during their (er, our) first European war. I'll appreciate that they're probably better equipped - Russia's still developing, and Germany and France are relatively limited in their resources compared to America and Britain, but still.

The disparity in the quality of troops has been bugging me for quite some time, and I have been trying to address it by both TG and post, so it's not like this is just coming up now. But now, as the very of existence the Pact in Europe is actually threatened, this has to be resolved to my satisfaction. It looks as if the numbers are being assigned subjectively. I'm not saying they are, but since I don't know what method is being used, I can't reproduce the results, and therefore cannot have confidence in its fairness.

I would appreciate if this issue were addressed.


the Major powers start the game with a few regular units (that have a lot of training) and a lot of reserves. So for example, the Germans started with 10, 9, 8 and 7 point infantry, and a few lower quality 6 and 5 point units (the older Landwehr). All of the German 10,9 and 8 point units were used up in Italy and have not been replaced. The German Army was the best trained and led in the world during most of the 20th century and even the socialists shouldn't have wrecked it much. The Russians and French start with 7 point infantry as regulars, with 6 and 5 point infantry as reservists. The Americans started with 1 elite 10 point unit (3 regular divisions), and the rest of the American infantry was 4, 5, 6 or 7 (depending on proportion of regulars, the National Guard units started as 4 or 5 point units). British are the same.

Other armies generally average 3-5 points, with 1 or 2 corps worth either 6 or 7 points (their prewar regular army). Exception was the Chinese, who have little instutional experience so start as a 5, while the Ottomans have lots of experience but have very little artillery (as determined by his organization as designed by that player).

So +1 for a motorized unit (more artillery, more ammunition, more mobility for all the trucks), +1 more for mechanized units (tanks are added in some numbers) and +2 for armored cavalry (lots of tanks, combined arms techniques). So the US before the war converted nearly all units from infantry to mechanized units. So the four national guard corps sent to Africa and Italy started as 4 point infantry, +2 for being mechanized for a total of 6. Most of the other American and British units were 1/3 regulars or more, with volunteers and draftees added to them, giving them the freshness of a wartime army tied with the experience and training and discpline of regulars. So they start as a 6, +2 for mechanized or a 7, +2 for mechanized.

Hence the general rating of 7,8 or 9 for Allied mechanized units (with exceptions).

So for example, if the Russians mechanized all of their 7 point infantry, they too would have 9 point mechanized corps.

If the Germans hadn't gotten their 10 point corps detroyed, and had mechanized it, they would have a 12 point mechanized corps scaring everyone on the battlefield now.

Another factor is the quality of artillery. The US went to flexible artillery direction and centralized divisional fire control well before anyone else, with the British following, and then the French and Germans. Even before the Great War of our timeline. Another factor is amount of artillery and quality of vehicles (US still leads here as well). Remember, although machine guns are important, in the 20th Century, artillery caused over 60% or higher of the casualties in every major war, and most of the little ones too. So although the Germans have a better light machine gun, the Americans have a better 105 and 155 mm gun and better doctrine in using it. So the Germans may have better infantry at the tactical level, the Americans have more firepower at a corps and divisional level.

UK shifts 1 South African 5 point infantry corps from Kuala Lampur to Bombay. A 5 point garrison unit is shifted from London to Bombay as well.

The Russians have moved 2 x 7 point infantry corps to Koln and 2 x 6 point corps to Aachen.

incidently, post your builds for March / April turn in the economics thread please

Allied Forces
US ComSubPac
70 S class boats, 14 submarine tenders (Philippines)

US 7th Fleet (Manila Bay)
Carriers William McKinley, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln (60 aircraft each) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, Light cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan, San Diego, Colombia, Minneapolis, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, Australian light cruisers Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 5 Anzac destroyes, 55 US destroyers plus 1 USMC 10 point amphibious unit

US 5th Fleet (Manila Bay)
Aircraft Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga (100 aircraft each), heavy cruisers: Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Light cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, plus 30 destroyers

US 9th Fleet (Tahiti)
5 gunboats, 20 misc Coast Guard cutters and patrol boats

Philippine Islands Garrison
1 Philippine Army 5 point garrison unit in a fortification (Corrigedor), 1 US Army 6 point infantry corps, 1 Philippine Air Force fighter unit, 1 US Naval air unit

Australia
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps (Sydney)

New Zealand (Wellington)
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps

Malaya
1 Indian 7 point motorized infantry corps, 1 UK 7 point motorized infantry corps in a fortification (Singapore),

Pact and Major Neutral Forces
Siberian Strategic Direction (TVD)(Russian command)
HQ Chita
Siberian Front
1 x 8 point Garrison,1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 HQ in Khabarovsk. 4 Russian 7 point Infantry corps within two hexes of Khabarovsk.

Currently in Siberia the Japanese control Vladivostok, Konstantinovsk, Magadan, and Petropovlovsk and a few minor outposts between Kamchatka and Magadan. The Japanese are iced in for the winter at this time, and have 1 HQ, 5 x 6 point infantry corps and 2 x 7 point infantry corps in Siberia (the bulk of their army)

An armistice is in effect between the Russians and Japanese and Japan has officially declared itself neutral, withdrawn from the LTA and pulled out of the war.

Chinese Home Forces Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
Interned in Taiwan: 20 heavy cruisers, 60 large destroyers, 240 torpedo boats
In drydock (Canton): 2 battleships
3 Chinese 6 point garrisons (Canton, Shanghai, Mukden),
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Mukden)
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Port Arthur)
1 fighter, 1 bomber, 1 naval air (Canton)
1 Chinese 5 point garrison (Tsingtao)

additional forces are under construction

Southeast Asia Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (border hex between Kunming and Burmese border)

Western India Front
Allied Forces
2 Indian 6 point infantry corps (Multan), 2 Indian 6 point infantry corps Infantry (Lahore), 2 Indian 7 point infantry corps (desert hex between Lahore and Delhi)
1 HQ, 1 Indian 5 point garrison, 1 ANZAC 4 point cavalry corps, 1 Indian fighter unit, (Delhi)
1 South African 5 point infantry corps, 1 UK 5 point garrison unit (Bombay)
1 Indian 7 point mechanized corps and 1 Indian 6 point mechanized corps (Burma oil hex)
1 Canadian 8 point amphibious unit and 1 Australian 8 point amphibious unit (Rangoon)


Royal Navy Force H (Aden)
Carriers Furious, Glorious, Courageous (50 aircraft each), battle cruiser Renown, Light cruisers Cassandra, Calcutta, Cairo, Colombo, Danae, Dauntless, Delhi, Despatch, Diomede, Dublin, plus 20 destroyers
Plus 1 Australian amphibious unit, 1 Canadian amphibious unit

Royal Navy Eastern Fleet (Colombo)
Light Cruisers Natal (RSAN), Durban (RSAN), Capetown (RSAN), Pretoria (RSAN), 10 RSAN destroyers

Pact Forces
South Asia TVD (Russian command)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber units (Kabul)
2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber unit (Hyderabad)
1 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Delhi and adjacent)
1 Russian HQ and 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex southeast of Multan)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (3 hexes west of Delhi)
1 Russian 5 point Alpine corps (Peshwar)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Lahore)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Multan)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (Karachi)
1 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (hex west of Rawalpindi)
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps (Samarkand)

Pact Forces
Rouen: 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit
Le Havre: 1 German 6 point infantry corps
Lille: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, 1 French HQ, 1 French bomber unit, 1 German fighter unit, 1 German bomber unit
Calais: 1 French coast artillery unit, 1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point garrison unit
Boulogne: 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French Naval air unit, 1 German naval air unit, 2 German bomber units,
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, 1 French fighter unit, 1 German fighter unit, 2 French bomber units, fortified hex
Hex 2 hexes east of Paris: 1 French HQ, 1 French 6 point Armored corps,
Hex northeast of Paris: 1 French HQ, 2 German 7 point infantry corps,
Crossroads hex 2 hexes northeast of Paris: 1 German HQ, 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps
Hex east of wooded hex: 2 German 7 point infantry corps
Mountain hex on Swiss border: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps, 1 German Alpine corps
Corsica garrison (isolated and out of supply) 1 French 5 point garrison unit

Pact Reserves and German Home Defense forces
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Aachen)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Koln)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps (Stuttgart)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps (Karlesruhe)
2 German 8 point infantry corps (Frankfurt)
1 German 7 point infantry corps (Dusseldorf)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Bremen)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Kiel)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery, 1 German HQ, 1 German fighter unit, (Hamburg)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German 5 point Alpine Corps, 1 German HQ (Munich)
2 German 4 point paratrooper corps, 2 German air transport units, 1 German fighter (Berlin)


LTA Forces
US 15th Army Group
1 US 8 point mechanized corps (resource hex southwest of Rouen),
2 US 9 point mechanized corps (between Roen and Paris),
1 US HQ, 1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex west of Paris)
1 US HQ, 2 US 8 point mechanized corps (2 hexes west of Paris)
3 US fighter units, (Cherbourg),
2 US bomber units (St. Malo),

British 21st Army Group
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, 1 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex east of Paris)
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex southeast of Paris)
1 UK HQ, 2 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy)
1 US 9 point mechanized corps (wooded hex southeast of Paris),
1 UK HQ, 2 UK bomber units 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy),
1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (Toulouse),
2 US 5 point Alpine corps, 1 Italian bomber unit (Lyon),
1 Canadian HQ, 2 UK fighter units (2 hexes east of Nantes),

LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 11 point motorized infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve)
2 UK 8 point motorized infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve),
1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Santander, reserve),
2 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (Madrid, reserve),
1 US 9 point armored cavalry corps, 1 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (Barcelona, reserve),

1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Malaga, occupation),),
1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Vigo, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz),
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Bayonne, occupation),
1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
6 point UK motorized infantry corps, 2 Colombian fighter units, 1 bomber unit, (fortified Dover),
5 point UK garrison (fortified Scapa Flow),
1 UK naval air unit (Dover), 1 UK naval air unit (Belfast)

Pact Forces
Russian Home Forces
Poland 2 x 3 point cavalry corps
Hungary 1 x 6 point infantry corps
Ukraine 2 x 3 point cavalry corps, 4 x 6 point mechanized corps, 1 theater supply unit
Moscow: 1 x 10 point garrison, 1 theater supply unit
Riga: 1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 coast defense unit
Helsinki 1 x 6 point infantry corps
Petrograd: 2 railroad siege artillery units
Petrograd Fleet: 12 destroyers, 18 corvettes needing repairs (considered one light ship, needs 2 points to go back into action), plus 40 submarines
Black Sea Fleet (Sevastapol) 1 x 6 point amphibious corps, 1 shipping unit

Pact Atlantic command
available for operations: 73 German submarines, 75 Russian submarines, 20 French submarines, 10 Russian destroyers, 20 German destroyers. All other ships, including 2 battleships, 2 battle cruisers, 5 light cruisers, 20 destroyers (all of which were seriously damaged) have been scrapped and their crews sent to man either coast defense units or to provide crews for submarines.

5 German light cruisers have managed to slip out into the Atlantic in late February


Mideast Area
Turkish forces (neutral at this time)

Egypt - 1 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Suez), 1 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Suez), 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Alexandria,),
Persia -2 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur)
Iraq – 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Basra), 1 Turkish 4 point garrison unit (Baghdad)
Arabia – 1 Turkish 2 point Cavalry corps (Riyadh)
Syria – 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Damascus), 1 Turkish 3 point Cavalry corps (Damascus)
Home Forces – 1 Turkish 5 point infantry corps, 1 Turkish 4 point Amphibious unit, 1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 Turkish 6 point garrison (Gallipolli), 1 Turkish 4 point Alpine corps (Ezrurum),
Turkish fleet – 5 battleships, 1 carrier,34 light cruisers, 48 destroyers, 30 torpedo boats, plus 40 submarines (based in the Sea of Marmara)

Southern TVD (Russian command)(directs operations in Italy and Balkans)
Italian front
2 German 5 point Alpine units (Brenner Pass, 2 hexes southwest of Munich),
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps (1 hex northwest of Trieste)
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit (Trieste)
1 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 Yugoslav 5 point infantry corps (Pola)
1 Russian HQ, 2 Russian 6 point mechanized corps (hex east of Trieste)


Yugoslav home forces:
2 Yugoslav 5 point Alpine Corps (Greek border), 2 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 HQ (Sarajevo) Yugoslav fleet 1 light ship (Zara), 2 Yugoslav 5 point infantry corps (Belgrade)

LTA Forces

Mideast Command (defense of Suez Canal and approaches) (British commander)
Egypt Garrison command
British 7 point motorized infantry corps (Suez), British 7 point motorized infantry corps (Port Said), British 8 point motorized infantry corps (Alexandria)

Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet (Alexandria)
Light cruisers Chatham, Dublin, Southhampton, Birmingham, Lowestoft, Adelaide, Nottingham, Caroline, 20 destroyers, 20 fleet submarines

Italian Command (defense of Italy and approaches) (Italian commander)
Italian Adriatic Force
Light Cruisers Pisa, Arnalfi, 10 destroyers, 50 submarines

Italian Battle Fleet
Battleships Conte Di Cavour, Giulio Caseare, Carrier Vittorio Emanuele, Light cruisers Basilicata, Campania, Quarto, Nino Bixio, Marsala,, 20 destroyers

US 6th Fleet (Tangiers)
Light cruisers Houston, San Diego, Brooklyn, Boston, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, 20 destroyers

Allied 2nd Army Group
1 UK HQ, 2 British 8 point armored cavalry , 1 Colombian fighter unit (Milan), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps (hex east of Genoa), 2 US 6 point mechanized corps (one in each hex south of River Po), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps, 1 US HQ, 2 US fighters (Florence), 1 Italian HQ, 2 Italian fighters (Turin), 1 US 6 point mechanized corps (La Spezia), , 2 Italian 6 point motorized infantry corps,1 Italian HQ, 1 Italian bomber (Leghorn), 1 Italian 5 point garrison unit (Tripoli, Libya). 2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Rome)

Atlantic Command (HQ Belfast) (directs Allied naval forces in Atlantic and North Sea_
British Home Fleet (Scapa Flow)
7 battleships (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood, Nelson, Rodney, Barham, Malaya), 5 heavy cruisers (Kent, Suffolk, Berwick, Cornwall, Cumberland), 13 Light cruisers, 40 destroyers, 60 submarines

Western Approaches Fleet (Belfast, Liverpool and Iceland)
30 Canadian destroyers, 35 Canadian corvettes, 50 British destroyers, 200 British corvettes,

5th Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Alabama heavy cruisers Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem 5 light cruisers (Brooklyn class, attack 1, protection 1 speed 7 range 6) Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise, 40 destroyers,

2nd Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania , 20 destroyers

10th Fleet (Escort force Atlantic)
80 destroyers, 220 subchasers + 120 US subchasers in Caribbean, Atlantic coast and Gulf of Mexico plus 1 US naval air unit

US Home Forces
None at this time, more under construction

Colombian home forces
1 battlecruiser, 4 heavy cruisers, 20 destroyers, 4 submarines
1 Alpine corps, 1 mechanized corps, 2 infantry corps, 1 fighter unit

Ecuador home forces
2 infantry corps

Bolivia Home forces
2 infantry corps

Spring comes early
Mud in the Arctic circle, clear everywhere else.

Initiative: Allies go first

Brazilian Election Coming Up
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your thread can be found here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435410&page=16&highlight=Gintonpar

please delete your previous post ...

IC
the US is rooting for the Stablists, but will not interfere in any way

Situation Europe and the Atlantic September 1925

The Map can be found here
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/fullimage/95676

Weather is mud in all climate zones except for Mediterranean Climate zone, plus all deserts have clear weather (as they always do).

Burgundy
Doesn’t exist on this map, so we will have to add it in. Essentially Burgundy consists of all of Luxembourg, (which isn’t on the map either), plus the Rhineland and Saar regions. For our purposes, Burgundy consists of Saarbrucken, Metz, and Strasbourg, plus the 2 wooded hexes running south west of the Rhine to Switzerland, plus directly east of Saarbrucken and northeast of Metz. The Burgundians have 2 6 point Motorized corps and 1 HQ at Metz. The fortresses indicated do not exist, and neither does the Maginot Line. Burgundy is neutral at this time.

Belgium
Also neutral. Everything shown as Belgium except the 1 hex that is part of Burgundy.
Liege is a fortified hex, with a 6 point garrison unit. The Belgians also have 4 x 6 point infantry corps (Antwerp and Brussels), and 1 fighter unit representing its entire air force

Netherlands
Neutral, and as pictured. Has 1 x 3 point garrison unit each at Amsterdam and Rotterdam, plus 2 light cruisers, 8 destroyers, 1 coast defense battleship at Rotterdam. The Dutch also have a garrison unit, 2 coast defense battleships, 2 cruisers and 5 destroyers plus 10 submarines in the Dutch East Indies. In addition, the Dutch have 6 shipping units.

Denmark
Neutral, as pictured. No significant military forces

Sweden
Neutral, and as pictured, Stockholm is a fortified hex, and has an 8 point garrison unit, plus the Swedes have 6 point infantry corps at Gothenburg, Karlskrona, Malmoe, Norrkoping, plus 1 fighter unit Stockholm, 2 coast defense battleships, 4 light cruisers, 20 destroyers, 10 submarines at Karlskrona. The Swedes have 2 shipping units. All Swedish units are considered mountain units as far as winter effects are concerned.

Norway
Neutral and as pictured. Oslo is fortified and has a 3 point garrison, plus 2 coast defense battleships, 10 destroyers, 6 submarines. Also a 3 point garrison at Narvik. The Norwegians have 6 shipping units

Bulgaria
Neutral and as pictured. 2 x 4 point Infantry corps

Rumania
Neutral and as pictured but add region marked Transylvania. 4 Infantry corps, 1 HQ, 2 Cav corps, 1 garrison (Ploesti), plus fleet (to be determined) at Constanza

Switzerland
Neutral, as pictured. Berne and Zurich are fortified and have 10 point garrisons, also 2x 7 point Mountain corps

Greece
Neutral, as pictured, but controls Rhodes and Leros (and the little island in between). 2 6 point Infantry corps, 1 x 5 point mountain corps, 1 x 3 point garrison (Athens), plus a fleet of 5 destroyers, 15 torpedo boats, plus 8 shipping units.

Other neutrals
Andorra, Liechtenstein, Monaco, and San Marino are too small to be pictured but do exist. Andorra now finds itself on the front line of the war and the war is moving closer to San Marino. Neither can defend themselves

ooc
this replaces earlier postings for the neutrals, which after further review, had some flaws.

updated slightly, and this information may be about to become relevent

Allied convoys take to sea as always, and one of them, a convoy consisting of 30 merchant ships, 4 corvettes, and 2 destroyers is attacked by 5 German light cruisers 500 miles south of Iceland on March 4. All 6 Canadian escorts are sunk, as are 10 merchant ships (nearly 67,000 tons of shipping plus the escorts) but the desperate fight by the escorts enables the remaining ships to scatter and escape. A week later, the Germans attack another convoy, but this time a task group of 2 American heavy cruisers (the Salem and Newport News), 2 light cruisers (Brooklyn and Nashville) and 10 US destroyers is close enough to respond to the escorts call for help. The convoy, with 6 British corvettes and 2 British destroyers, along with 40 ships, suffers heavy losses but a torpedo spread from a British destroyer blows up one of the raiders before all 8 escorts are sunk. The remaining 4 cruisers have managed to sink 15 merchant ships before the American cruisers show up and quickly sink all 4 German cruisers, although in the process 3 more American destroyers are lost.

This last gasp by the Pact surface fleet in all has destroyed 17 escorts and 25 merchant ships in all (125,000 tons) but in the end only 450 German sailors survive as POWs.

Meanwhile

Convoys and submarines continue to duel, and 460,.000 tons of Allied shipping, along with 4 US destroyers and 6 British corvettes are sunk. However, 29 German, 26 Russian and 6 French submarines are sunk as well.

It is the worst losses of the war for Allied shipping, with 585,000 tons lost, but it is costly for the Pact as well. However, Allied losses are less than 5% of their total shipping, while Pact submarine losses are nearly 20% of their submarine fleet.

Western Front
France Allied Phase 1
The Allies continue their efforts to isolate Paris. An US 8 point mechanized corps joins the one already next to Rouen. Another 8 point corps joins the 8 point corps west of Paris. The Canadian HQ moves to the hex in the middle of the Brittany peninsula.

The Allies throw everything they have in the air to deal with Pact aircraft while they are still on the ground. 1 Colombian fighter and 1 UK bomber hits Boulogne, 1 Colombian fighter and 1 UK bomber hits Lille, 2 UK fighters and 2 US bombers hit Paris, 2 US fighter and 1 US bomber hits the hex northeast of Paris. The Pact is forced to scramble their fighters, sending 1 German fighter to deal with the Lille raid, and 1 French and 1 German fighter to deal with the Paris raid. Over Paris, 1 US bomber and 1 German fighter are shot down, and the French fighter is forced to abort. The surviving American bomber survives the flak and is able to disorganize both French bombers on the ground. Over Lille, both the Colombian fighter and the German fighter are forced to abort, but the bomber gets through and disorganizes the German bomber unit there. At Bouloge the Allies face no opposition in the air, and disorganize 1 French naval air unit and 1 German bomber unit. Northeast of Paris the American bomber manages to disorganize all three units there.

In Spain, 2 US 10 point Armored cavalry corps in Madrid move to Cartegena. In addtion, the South Africans move from Toulouse to the Vichy area.

The Allies launch their ground attack now. They have 17 points attacking from the east and 17 points attacking from the south the 15 points of defense in the hex northeast of Paris (2 German 7 point infantry corps and 1 French HQ). This gives them a 2:1+1 and they get a 10 which becomes an 11, destroying 1 German infantry corps and the French HQ, while 1 German corps is shattered (and returns next turn in any German city). The Americans roll well enough to avoid disorganization and move both of their 9 point mechanized corps into the hex (one from each stack) and totally cutting off Paris.

Further south, the Allies attack the hex 2 hexes east of Paris, where a French armored corps and French HQ are located. Their combined defense is 4 (armored corps are weak on defense, unlike armored cavalry), and Allies attack with a 9 point US mechanized corps and a UK 9 point corps, giving the 18, which becomes 4:1. They get a 7, shattering both French units (which return next turn in any city in Pact held France), and move into the hex, which puts them on both the Burgundy and Belgian borders. Once again the Allies are not disorganized.

During the strategic phase, 4 American armored cavalry corps are strategically moved by sea.from Barcelona and Cartagena to Nantes and St. Malo. A Moroccan Alpine corps is strategically moved from Santander to Toulouse for occupation duty (using a Spanish strategic move). 1 British motorized corps from Dover and a British garrison unit from Scapa Flow are moved by sea to Brest and Cherbourg to take over occupation duty. (all 6 sea moves are US strategic moves).

During the reorganization phase, all four US armored cavalry corps, plus all of the aircraft used during the phase except for the Colombian fighters (which were based in the UK and no HQ was available).

Italy Allied Phase 1
A British HQ and 2 British armored cavalry corps move from Milan to Genoa, while 2 US 7 point mechanized corps move adjacent to Trieste, and 2 Italian 5 point Alpine corps move adjacent to the Germans in Brenner Pass. 2 US 7 point mechanized corps move to Venice, as does the US HQ. 2 US 6 point mechanized corps moves from the Po Valley to Turin.

The Allies make no attacks and move 2 Italian infantry units in Rome to Vichy to take up occupation duty. (using 2 Italian strategic moves). A 4 point infantry corps from Bolivia also arrives in Naples (via Ecuador, using another US sea move) and becomes a theater reserve.

France Pact Phase 1
The Pact activates a contingency plan and Pact forces invade Belgium and Burgundy. A communist uprising breaks out in Burgundy, and a smaller one occurs in Belgium. Neither are particularly decisive, but the tie down local police forces and prevent defending forces from blowing bridges or cutting rail lines.

Burgundy is invaded from the west and east. A French 5 point Alpine corps, and 2 German 7 point infantry corps move adjacent to Metz from the south, while 2 German 8 point infantry corps (from Frankfurt) and 2 German 8 point corps and 1 HQ (from Stuttgart) close in from the east. German bombers from Boulogne hit the Burgandians as well, disorganizing 1 of the Burgundian infantry corps. The Burgundians are out of supply (as their entire country as been overrun). This reduces them from 15 base points to 11 base points (doubled to 22). This gives the Germans 2:1 +1.

Meanwhile, the German 5 point Alpine corps retreats across the Rhine (border hex with Switzerland) to ensure the Allies don’t take the opportunity to cross it.

Meanwhile, the French shift forces to defend Lille, moving a 7 point infantry corps from 6 point infantry corps from Rouen. A German 6 point corps evacuates Le Havre to Rouen.

In Belgium, the Czechs drive north with 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 German 5 point infantry corps and 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, and 1 French HQ to the two hexes east of Brussels. Along with them are 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps and 1 German HQ south of Brussels. This gives the Pact 30 points of ground strength. The Germans commit their naval air unit at Boulogne as a bomber and manage to disorganize both Belgian corps defending their capital. The Belgians have 12 points of defense doubled to 24 points (major city). This gives the Pact 1:1+1.

The Russians and Germans cross the border and have 4 Russian 7 point infantry corps and 2 Germans 8 point infantry and 1 HQ adjacent to Leige from the east. The Russians use 2 of their strategic moves to bring up 2 rail guns from Russia to add another 20 points of attack strength to the 44 already available. They face 6 points of Belgian points tripled to 18, giving them a 3:1.

The Pact now attacks. They roll a 12 at Metz, which becomes a 13, and the Burgundians lose their HQ and 1 infantry corps and the other is shattered. However, as the capital and all production centers have been conquered, that corps is also eliminated. Burgundy surrenders. The Germans do not lose any units and are not disorganized. At Brussels, the Pact rolls a 9 which becomes a 10, and destroy both Belgian units both also lose a German 5 point infantry. The Czech 5 point mechanized corps takes the city. All Pact units are left disorganized. At Leige, the Pact has 3:1 odds rolls a 8, destroying the Belgians but suffering no casualties. However once again all Pact units are disorganized.
The Belgians in Antwerp however are forced to surrender as Belgium has been conquered, as the capital and both production centers have fallen.

(500,000 Belgian and Burgundian troops go into captivity as a result of this campaign).

The German HQ at Brussels reorganizes all three Czech corps, while the German HQ south of Brussels reorganizes the 2 Russian cavalry corps and 1 German infantry corps (that attacked Leige), while the German HQ at Leige reorganizes the other German infantry corps and 2 Russian infantry corps. However 2 Russian corps remain disorganized, as do the 2 rail guns.

Situation end of phase 1
The Allies have isolated Paris and are threatening to cut off the entire Pact army in the south. The Pact uses everything they have and overruns Burgundy and Belgium, (in spite of their neutrality and the Burgundians having allowed them transit rights for the entire war so far).. However the front has been left a hollow shell and the Allies are getting ready to resume their advance.

ooc situation so at the end of phase 1 in the West

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Rouen: 1 German 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit
Brussels: 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 French HQ
Hex southeast of Brussels: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps
Lille:, 1 French HQ, 2 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French bomber unit (disorganized), 1 German fighter unit (disorganized), 1 German bomber unit (disorganized)
Calais: 1 French coast artillery unit, 1 French 3 point garrison unit
Boulogne: 1 French Naval air unit (disorganized), 1 German bomber units ( disorganized),
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, 1 French fighter unit (disorganized), 2 French bomber units (disorganized), fortified hex
Resource hex southwest of Leige: 1 German HQ, 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps
Rhine River line (on Swiss border) 1 German Alpine corps
Resource hex east of Metz: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Liege)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Koln resource hex)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps, 1 German naval air unit (disorganized), 1 German bomber unit (disorganized) (Stuttgart)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps (Metz)
2 German 8 point infantry corps (Saarbruchen)
1 German 7 point infantry corps (Dusseldorf)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Bremen)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Kiel)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery, 1 German HQ, 1 German fighter unit, (Hamburg)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German 5 point Alpine Corps, 1 German HQ (Munich)
2 German 4 point paratrooper corps, 2 German air transport units, 1 German fighter (Berlin)

Shattered: 1 French HQ, 1 French armored corps, 1 German 7 point infantry corps,
Destroyed: 1 German 7 point infantry corps, 1 French HQ, 1 German fighter, 1 German 5 point infantry corps

Allied losses: 1 US bomber, 2 Burgundian motorized infantry corps, 1 Burgundian HQ, 4 Belgian infantry corps, 1 Belgian garrison corps,




US 15th Army Group
2 US 8 point mechanized corps (resource hex southwest of Rouen),
2 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Paris),
1 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex between Rouen and Paris)
1 US HQ, 2 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex west of Paris)
1 US HQ (used), (hex between St. Malo and Cherbourg)
3 US fighter units, (Cherbourg),
1 US bomber units (St. Malo),

British 21st Army Group
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex east of Paris)
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex southeast of Paris)
1 UK HQ, (wooded hex southeast of Paris),
1 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy)
1 UK HQ (used), 2 UK bomber units 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy),
Hex 2 hexes east of Paris: 1 US 9 point mechanized corps, 1 UK 9 point mechanized corps
1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (1 hex east of Vichy),
2 US 5 point Alpine corps, 1 Italian bomber unit (Lyon),
1 Canadian HQ (used),
2 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (Nantes), 2 UK fighter units(Nantes)
1 US 9 point armored cavalry corps, 1 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (St. Malo)


LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 11 point motorized infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve)

2 UK 8 point motorized infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve),
1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Toulouse, occupation),
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Vichy)
1 UK 7 point motorized corps (Brest)
1 UK 5 point garrison unit (Cherbourg)
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Bayonne, occupation),
1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation),

1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)
1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Malaga, occupation),),
1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation),
1 Portuguese 5 point motorized infantry corps (Vigo, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz),

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
2 Colombian fighter units (used), 1 UK bomber unit, (fortified Dover),
1 UK naval air unit (Dover), 1 UK naval air unit (Belfast)


Its going to be a busy turn

OoC: The Red Army in India is busily conducting a massive propaganda campaign directed at the Indian civilian population, with the aim of separating them from the British and encouraging the Full Independence Movement led by such figures as Lala Lajpat Rai, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. This is an example of the leaflets distributed in Hindi, Urdu, and other languages by agents-provocateur and by bombers.

Citizens of India! For nearly a hundred and seventy years, you have languished under the heel of a foreign oppressor. You have seen the wealth of your country, the pride of your men, the dignity of your traditions, and the virtue of your women (1), robbed and insulted by a barbaric race from beyond the sea, whose forebears were living in mud huts and painting each other blue while the great philosophers and kings of your country were raising mighty cities and inventing subtle mathematics.

We Russians, too, understand what it means to live under a barbarian oppressor, as we ourselves endured the Tatar Yoke for over two hundred years. We know what it means to dream of freedom.

We do not ask you to fight for us. We do not ask you to lay down your arms.

But we do ask: why fight for the British? They have enslaved your nation, turned it into opium plantations, they grant you some slight measure of the semblance of self-governance while calling you "wogs" to your faces, spitting on you in your homes, shaming you before your women.

What purpose do the British have in India? They come from a land far across the sea, from a civilization alien to your own, with traditions and values incompatible with the pursuit of your own destiny.

It is regrettable that the Red Army comes now into your country to make war. But this would never have happened had the British not greedily sought to rape the wealth of your homeland for the benefit of their own. Moskva's quarrel is with them, not with you.

Citizens of India, remember your pride! Remember your freedom! Your day in the sun will come again when the cloud of imperialism has been banished from the land!

For victory, and for freedom!

- Marshal Sydir Artemovych Kovpak

1 This is actually a very carefully chosen phrase in translation, ostensibly referring, on the one hand, to the ordinary imperial practice of making free with the women of an occupied country. But it also serves as an ambiguous reference to the disgusting practice of suttee, banned by the British in an unpopular law still flouted today - the Union generally supports women's rights more strongly than any of its contemporaries, but this is war, after all. Indian liberals can take it one way, conservatives the other.

In Paris, Premier Kirov formally resigns his office, and at the age of forty, picks up a gun to man the barricades against the invaders.

In Moscow, this leaves a power vacuum, not entirely unanticipated but neither fully prepared for. Once more, Trotsky's rivals Kamenev and Zinoviev cancel each other out, and in a very surprising turn of events, the Finnish Social-Democratic delegate to the Supreme Council, Otto Ville Kuusinen, slips in on the fourth ballot as a compromise candidate for Premier.

Premier Kuusinen vows to defeat the imperialist invaders "whatever the cost," and is generally regarded as responsible for the controversial decision to endorse the joint OKW-ShTAVKA contingency plan now affecting Belgium and Burgundy.

In Paris, every able-bodied man is given a rifle and rudimentary military training. Blume and the government men stay in their office, vowing that when the allies come they will find the French still working for their country.

The sewers are turned into a maze of death-traps and undergound bunkers, the French High Command shifting their command center underground to avoid bombing raids. The French ask for a 48-hour truce with the Allies so that they can evacuate all civilians remaining in Paris to the Allied lines.

In Paris, every able-bodied man is given a rifle and rudimentary military training. Blume and the government men stay in their office, vowing that when the allies come they will find the French still working for their country.

The sewrs are turned into a maze of death-traps and undergound bunkers, the French High Command shiting their command center underground to avoid bombing raids. The French ask for a 48-hour truce with the Allies so that they can evacuate all civilians remaining in Paris to the Allied lines.

The American commander, General Pershing, commander of the US 15th Army group approves the truce, and also instructs the French to mark all hospitals carefully as well. Special instructions are given to American troops to avoid firing on Notre Dame, the Louvre, and other cultural sites. French civilians as they leave the city are marched or transported by truck to surrounding cities south of the Seine, and local French authorities are given food and medicine to assist them. Men of military age are taken aside in groups for questioning however.

The sewrs are turned into a maze of death-traps and undergound bunkers, the French High Command shiting their command center underground to avoid bombing raids.
That is too damn funny.

The American commander, General Pershing, commander of the US 15th Army group approves the truce, and also instructs the French to mark all hospitals carefully as well. Special instructions are given to American troops to avoid firing on Notre Dame, the Louvre, and other cultural sites. French civilians as they leave the city are marched or transported by truck to surrounding cities south of the Seine, and local French authorities are given food and medicine to assist them. Men of military age are taken aside in groups for questioning however.

Marshal Foch, commander of the Paris defenses thanks Pershing and sends him a bottle of Champagne as a thank you gift.

Leaflets bearing the words "Aux Barricades!" are seen posted up all around Paris.

Meanwhile, in the country-side, the French Maquis has ceased it's attacks and is instead working on organizing itself and acquiring weapons.

Rebel groups across Spain have formed a group called the Spanish Liberation Front or SLF. Funded primarily by prominent Communists and Anarchists and their associated parties they have begun acquiring weapons through the black market and als persdonal weapons of their financiers.

Attacks have ceased for the moment while they organize themselves. They are rumoured to number anywhere between 50,000 to 200,000. The Government condemns the attacks on the occupation forces and appeals to the citizens to stop these attacks if they ever want to regain their freedom from occupation.

The Nationalists have also started their wn group called Spain for the Spanish or SS. Funded from overseas by exiled Fascists and Nationalists they seek to force the LTA out and force the Pact backed Government into exile. They are not as popular with the citizens but they still number into the 10,000's.

The Nationalists have also started their wn group called Spain for the Spanish or SS.
That would actually be "EE," for "España para los Españoles." You could call it "EPLE," perhaps, or "ESPALE." But SS simply doesn't work.

You'll want to run your numbers by the War Moderator, too, before you post them. They look a little high to me.

ooc: I did the entire post in english and yes i do know what the correct terms are. If you want to get technical it is FLE and EE. Also the numbers are pure rumour they are nowhere near that, Id say a good 2,000 and a few more for FLE and maybe like 500 to 1,000 for EE.

The American commander, General Pershing, commander of the US 15th Army group approves the truce, and also instructs the French to mark all hospitals carefully as well. Special instructions are given to American troops to avoid firing on Notre Dame, the Louvre, and other cultural sites. French civilians as they leave the city are marched or transported by truck to surrounding cities south of the Seine, and local French authorities are given food and medicine to assist them. Men of military age are taken aside in groups for questioning however.

The British commander instructs his men to do the same and includes the following in his orders of the day (which is a note sent to every British commanding officer in that theatre):

"The city of Paris is a great historical capital and it is my intention that so far as possible damage to it's fine arcitechture is to be avoided. To this means no British weapon is permitted to fire on any of the identified cultural sites, these rules are in addition to those which we currently follow as set out in the Geneva Convention to safeguard Hospitals, PoW internament facilities and other essential services as well as to limit damage to civilian property wherever possible. Though on no account is following any of the above rules to result in the loss of life of any British soldier. If our enemies hide under the guise of a hospital and use it to barrack combatents or to hold military stores then that building becomes a valid target.

In addition you are to be advised that a large number of French civilians will be coming out of Paris over the next few days and that they are allowed free travel to behind our lines where refugee camps are being set up for them. However all men of military age are to be pulled out and questioned about what they are doing and if suspicions are aroused they are to be arrested and detained until military police arrive to determine the truth."

The British commander instructs his men to do the same and includes the following in his orders of the day (which is a note sent to every British commanding officer in that theatre):

"The city of Paris is a great historical capital and it is my intention that so far as possible damage to it's fine arcitechture is to be avoided. To this means no British weapon is permitted to fire on any of the identified cultural sites."

I guess the Notre Dame will be our command center then, eh?

Rebel groups across Spain have formed a group called the Spanish Liberation Front or SLF. Funded primarily by prominent Communists and Anarchists and their associated parties they have begun acquiring weapons through the black market and als persdonal weapons of their financiers.

Attacks have ceased for the moment while they organize themselves. They are rumoured to number anywhere between 50,000 to 200,000. The Government condemns the attacks on the occupation forces and appeals to the citizens to stop these attacks if they ever want to regain their freedom from occupation.

The Nationalists have also started their wn group called Spain for the Spanish or SS. Funded from overseas by exiled Fascists and Nationalists they seek to force the LTA out and force the Pact backed Government into exile. They are not as popular with the citizens but they still number into the 10,000's.

ooc
no way are those numbers accurate.... the Allied occupation has been mild, the Spanish civil authorities run local affairs, and most men of military age (20 -30) are still in POW camps. In addition, there are over 700,000 troops in Spain with the sole mission of ensuring that the Spanish don't rise up. So a tenth of those numbers might be right. As the Allies completely control the ports, the seas and the rails, no way are they getting weapons or money either, especially from overseas. In short, most people having survived the war with most of Spain relatively intact, and with the Allies paying for rebuilding and providing jobs, and with the national economy completed shifted from war to recovery, simply don't have any incentive to rock the boat.

Most of the real fanatics got killed during your civil war or in Italy or in the defense of Spain. The rest would be pretty damned war weary and just want things to be quiet so the Allies, especially the 400,000 Moroccan troops in the country, will go home. Some people will be worried that the Moors might just decide to STAY in Granada if they rock the boat too much.

Also the numbers are pure rumour they are nowhere near that, Id say a good 2,000 and a few more for FLE and maybe like 500 to 1,000 for EE.
GB, this was his explanation. If anything, those numbers look too low.

GB, this was his explanation. If anything, those numbers look too low.

I was looking at his original numbers, I would guess about 10,000 of the Leftist type, while the Right Wing wouldn't see a need for guerilla action, figuring they can win politically at the ballot box by blaming Spanish disaster on the Leftists and take over the government legally once the Allies leave.

Far East
Allied First Phase
The US 7th Fleet departs Manila bay carrying a Marine amphibious unit and an Army infantry corps. Entering the Gulf of Thailand, it then lands the Marines with heavy fire support in Cambodia and the Marines get ashore easily.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the US Navy submarine forces continues to blockade China, while the US 3rd Fleet enters the South China Sea and moves into attack position 150 miles from Canton.

Meanwhile, the Japanese Combined Fleet moves into the waters off Siberia and begins taking off Japanese troops from Konstanivoch and Vladivostok.

During the strategic move phase 4 corps and 1 HQ are moved from Vladivostok and Konstanivoch and sent to the Japanese Home Islands.

South Asia
Allied Phase 1
The Allies work on containing and stopping the Russian invasion. The Australian cavalry shifts to Jaipur to extend the front, while a 7 point infantry and the HQ northwest of Delhi moves into Delhi. A 6 point infantry corps in Multan moves to take their place, while in Lahore, 1 Indian 6 point corps moves into Multan to take that corps place and the other corps in Lahore remains in place to delay the Russians coming from the northwest. The South African corps at Bombay moves to take up position to the northeast of the city and take up positions along the south bank of the Narmada river.

Meanwhile, further east the 2 mechanized Indian corps in Burma move overland to Dacca. The British fleet steams into the Bay of Bengal and picks up the Australians and Canadians from Rangoon.

The Indians then look at the lead element of the Russian invasion force, a 6 point infantry corps adjacent to Delhi to the west. They have 13 points north of the Russians, 7 points in Delhi that can attack, and 4 points in Jaipur that can attack. 24 points total versus 6 Russian (a 4:1) and chose to attack. They get a 6 and element the Russian corps, although all 4 Allied units are left disorganized.

During the strategic phase the British use 3 strategic moves to shift the Colombo garrison to Singapore and the Indian 7 point motorized corps from Singapore to Bombay and the British 7 point motorized corps from Singapore to Madras. 3 more moves are used to shift 2 UK 8 point armored cavalry corps and 1 HQ from Italy to India. The HQ goes to Bombay and the armored cavalry arrives at Mangalore.

During the reorganization phase the Indians reorganize the 3 Indian corps around Delhi, although the Anzacs remain disorganized.

Pact Phase One
The Russians continue their advance. 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps move from Karachi to Ahmadabad. 2 more 3 point cavalry corps move from the border to southeast of Jaipur, while 2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps shift from Hyderabad to Karachi to defend that port from a potential Allied amphibious landing. Further north, the Russians decide that further advance east won’t be possible until they take Multan, which also offers the possibility of cutting off the Indians in Lahore as well (and further damaging the Indian Army). On the Northwest Frontier, the Russians in Peshwar swing east through the mountains into the Kashmir and move into the hex east of Rawalpindi, while a cavalry corps advances into Rawalpindi itself (and becomes disorganized do to the cost of terrain doing so). 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps move from Kabul to the Kyber Pass.

Now the Russians decide to attack. 3 bombers from Kabul attack the defenders at Multan, and manage to disorganize one of them. Now the Russians decide to attack. They have 36 point versus 12 Indian points which are tripled (behind a river and in a major city) to 36 points. The Russians have a 1:1+1. They get a 7 which becomes an 8, and each side loses a 6 point corps (the Indians lose the disorganized one). The Russians are left disorganized, but during the reorganization phase will bring reorganize both corps south of the city, and the surviving corps east of that city. Further south, the Russians have 12 point of cavalry facing 4 points of Australian cavalry (doubled for defense because of city) for a 3:2+1. The Russians get an 11 which becomes a 12, and the Australians are destroyed and the Russians use the 2 corps southwest of the city to take the city, once again putting Russian units adjacent to Delhi.

Losses phase 1
Russians: 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (200,000 troops)
Allies: 1 Anzac 4 point cavalry corps, 1 Indian 6 point infantry corps (100,000 Anzac and 100,000 Indian casualties)

OOC
Pact phase 2 in Far East waiting on Chinese orders

I was looking at his original numbers, I would guess about 10,000 of the Leftist type, while the Right Wing wouldn't see a need for guerilla action, figuring they can win politically at the ballot box by blaming Spanish disaster on the Leftists and take over the government legally once the Allies leave.
ok thanks

Radio Address of Miguel Garuda Mellón, Minister of Foreign Affairs for Argentina - Broadcast from a recording, earlier that day in Buenos Aires:

"It is clear that we continue to fight a war of ideology which prohibits a just peace from being found. With the invasion of Burgundy and Belgium, the Pact has given the Estados Unidos the excuse it needs to continue the war indefinately. My fellow Argentine people, do we want to send our own sons to die in India so that the Estados Unidos can have it's total victory at all costs? Do we want to fight not in defence of Britain, our ally, but in aggression so that the EU can have it's moment of glory?

"No."

*Shocked silence, followed by applause*

"We will not abandon our British ally, but we must rethink our own beliefs as to what this war is about and what it hopes to accomplish. Clearly, peace is not the goal of some who fight, and while the Pact forces started this conflict, they were willing to accept a fair and just peace proposed by none other than Argentina herself!

"But the EU refused to bargain, refused to uphold it's supposed commitment to peace. If the EU really went to war here for Morocco, then why not stop now, when the Pact is willing to give up everything the war was fought over in the beginning?

"No, Argentina will no longer support such an action with her own flesh and blood, even at the expense of our ally, Great Britain. We will, as per the Treaty of London, support them materially. But we cannot have our sons and fathers die in India so that the US can march unmolested on Berlin or Moscow.

"At this time, Argentina anounces it's withdrawl of troops and naval vessels currently ordered to India. The units enroute will instead serve in the occupation of Madagascar. Furthermore, Argentina will begin restoring diplomatic ties to the Union, Germany, and Yugoslavia, and formally withdrawl from the London Treaty Alliance.

"Argentina will not forget thier British allies, and will supply them by sea materially until India and Afghanistan have once more been liberated from the Union.

"Thank you all and goodnight."

Parthini']How many points do I get for Burgundy and Belgium?
OoC: You don't get any, and neither do I. In fact we might lose some rebuilding.

The Democratic Republics of Belgium and Burgundy are now signatories of the Warsaw Pact, with the option of withdrawing when and if (1) the present war ends, or (2) the legitimate Government of France loses control of all its territory.

In the meantime, they are not required to commit troops, nor provide material support. It is only required of them that (1) they allow Pact forces full freedom of movement within their domains, and (2) the do not seek to build any offensive capacity of their that could be used against Pact forces [OoC: Belgium will be allowed to fortify their coastline, though their defensive works must be manned by Pact soldiers; other military buys are prohibited.]. In return, the other Pact signatories pledge themselves to the defense of the Democratic Republics of Belgium and Burgundy, and to reconstruction of all facilities damaged in the recent military action, and reparations and compensation for all other losses.

OoC: Galveston Bay neglected one very important element of my invasion plan, which is that military force was preceeded by an impassioned plea to allow us essentially these terms in order to supply strategic depth for the defense of France from the Anglo-American invaders. In other words, the Union tried a diplomatic alternative first. Things would've worked out the same, of course, but these niceties do make a difference. I should've written the diplomatic appeal myself, I suppose. GB has enough work as it is.

OoC: You don't get any, and neither do I. In fact we might lose some rebuilding.


OoC: Galveston Bay neglected one very important element of my invasion plan, which is that military force was preceeded by an impassioned plea to allow us essentially these terms in order to supply strategic depth for the defense of France from the Anglo-American invaders. In other words, the Union tried a diplomatic alternative first. Things would've worked out the same, of course, but these niceties do make a difference. I should've written the diplomatic appeal myself, I suppose. GB has enough work as it is.

ooc
I gave you a surprise bonus, as sympathizers prevented local forces from blowing bridges and (preventing the two nations from gaining any bonuses for rivers) and added the demorlization factor to the surrender die roll modifier for the part of the Belgian army not killed on the battlefield.

Flowery rhetoric I leave to players ;)

Germany will get 1 point next turn from Burgundy (for the Saar), but the production centers of Metz, Leige and Brussels were taken in combat and will require repairs. Repair costs for production centers are in the economic thread (on the what can I buy list for 1926)

I have a major problem with the US taking over Cambodia unopposed.

First, I believe I had a garrison unit in Phenom Penh (capital of Cambodia).

Second, I also had 2 corps stationed in Indochina. I never ordered them to move to Kumning. The ones that I did order were the failed Burmese invasion force (3 corps and the 1 HQ unit) *not* the Indochinese Defense Forces (that 2 corps that didn't move into Burma).

I believe I had them remaining in Cambodia to protect aganist this exact kind of action from the LTA. Besides, I have stated that my troops were prepared to withdraw from Vietnam upon granting Vietnam independence. Yet, GB did not factor that in, nor the units that were supposed to withdraw from Vietnam into Cambodia (which is a garrison force along with the leftover French troops that may be there). I should have had 4 corps in Cambodia- the 2 Infantry Corps, and 2 Garrison Corps (1 Garrison in Cambodia this whole time and 1 Garrison from Vietnam).

Therefore, the LTA invading Camodia and conquering it unopposed isn't happening. 1 US corps and 1 Amphibious corps (2 LTA corps total) aganist 4 Chinese corps isn't exactly a cakewalk or "unopposed conquest". The LTA navy can't bombard my 2 Chinese infantry corps as they won't be in the Phemon Penh city hex. Besides, I'll accept Phemon Penh being reduced to rubble, but in doing so, it introduces urban combat aganist the LTA. My troops can easily hide in the rubble and attack the invading 2 corps. Look at Stalingrad or other examples in RL WW2.


Finally, I was assured that if I granted Vietnam independence, the LTA will not invade Indochina. Yet, this promise has been broken.

3rd Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Alabama heavy cruisers Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem 5 light cruisers (Brooklyn class, attack 1, protection 1 speed 7 range 6) Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise, 40 destroyers,

2nd Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania , 20 destroyers

I assume that these two fleets are the ones stationed off the coast of Canton, correct? If so, then wouldn't it take 3-4 turns to travel from the Atlantic (1 turn), then go through either the Panama Canal or around Africa (1 turn), then go from either one of these to China (1 turn or in the Pacific, 2 turns)?

If this is true then wouldn't these forces arrive near Canton around June or later?

I have a major problem with the US taking over Cambodia unopposed.

First, I believe I had a garrison unit in Phenom Penh (capital of Cambodia).

Second, I also had 2 corps stationed in Indochina. I never ordered them to move to Kumning. The ones that I did order were the failed Burmese invasion force (3 corps and the 1 HQ unit) *not* the Indochinese Defense Forces (that 2 corps that didn't move into Burma).

I believe I had them remaining in Cambodia to protect aganist this exact kind of action from the LTA. Besides, I have stated that my troops were prepared to withdraw from Vietnam upon granting Vietnam independence. Yet, GB did not factor that in, nor the units that were supposed to withdraw from Vietnam into Cambodia (which is a garrison force along with the leftover French troops that may be there). I should have had 4 corps in Cambodia- the 2 Infantry Corps, and 2 Garrison Corps (1 Garrison in Cambodia this whole time and 1 Garrison from Vietnam).

Therefore, the LTA invading Camodia and conquering it unopposed isn't happening. 1 US corps and 1 Amphibious corps (2 LTA corps total) aganist 4 Chinese corps isn't exactly a cakewalk or "unopposed conquest". The LTA navy can't bombard my 2 Chinese infantry corps as they won't be in the Phemon Penh city hex. Besides, I'll accept Phemon Penh being reduced to rubble, but in doing so, it introduces urban combat aganist the LTA. My troops can easily hide in the rubble and attack the invading 2 corps. Look at Stalingrad or other examples in RL WW2.


Finally, I was assured that if I granted Vietnam independence, the LTA will not invade Indochina. Yet, this promise has been broken.


you sent your garrison unit, per YOUR orders to China to guard more important places and your infantry there was sent to Burma, Also per YOUR orders. YOU HAVE NO TROOPS IN CAMBODIA, and you had a chance to contest unit placements long ago.

You had no other reserves to try and save the situation with, and the entire Burmese invasion force is dead.

I assume that these two fleets are the ones stationed off the coast of Canton, correct? If so, then wouldn't it take 3-4 turns to travel from the Atlantic (1 turn), then go through either the Panama Canal or around Africa (1 turn), then go from either one of these to China (1 turn or in the Pacific, 2 turns)?

If this is true then wouldn't these forces arrive near Canton around June or later?

They started on the US East Coast back in September, and that position was posted, during the November December turn they reached Pearl Harbor and California respectively, and in January and February they reached the Philippines. Which means this turn, March April, they are free to blow the hell out of Canton by air attack and invade an undefended Cambodia.

I gave everyone plenty of warning to post orders and telegram corrections as to unit locations. I have been lenient on your frequent changes of orders. I will not be so this time. I have also frequently explained to you and showed you were things are posted. If you wish to question something, check the post record first, and then ask. Odds are excellent it has been addressed.

I have slowed down this war so that every single move could be explained, which means this war is taking 2 to 3 times as long as it needs to take in real time in order to show that I am acting fairly.

Feel free to appeal to Vas, but at this time, the ruling stands on Chinese forces that are not in Cambodia because they are either dead or guarding the Burmese border, and US ships that have indeed taken 6 months to reach the theater of operations.

As far as Cambodia goes, the US promised Vietnam would not be touched, and you granted Vietnam independence. You specifically denied that to Cambodia in the Hague, and the US specifically said it wanted that to occur. The US is therefore achieving what it has to by gunpoint in this case. Just like the UK did in Burma and the Russians are doing in India and the Germans did in Belgium and Burgundy.

you sent your garrison unit, per YOUR orders to China to guard more important places and your infantry there was sent to Burma, Also per YOUR orders. YOU HAVE NO TROOPS IN CAMBODIA, and you had a chance to contest unit placements long ago.

You had no other reserves to try and save the situation with, and the entire Burmese invasion force is dead.

Actually, that isn't quite true. I recall I had the following...

10 Corps
5 Garrison Corps
1 HQ unit

I have 4 corps in Manchuria.
I sent 3 corps into Burma along with the HQ unit (They all died)

This leaves me with 3 more Corps and 5 Garrison Corps.

I have the following...

3 Infantry Corps in the Indochinese area- 2 in Cambodia and 1 in Vietnam.

1 Garrison in Shanghai
1 Garrison in Canton
1 Garrison in Tienstin
1 Garrison in Cambodia (Phenom Penh)
1 Garrison in Vietnam (Taipei or their capital city)

With China inviting the Vietnamese leaders to Beijing in Oct / Nov 1925 for talks about independence, and setting up a Vietnamese constitution and such. I have repeatedly made it clear that my troops are to vacate Vietnam upon independence which should have been granted after the talks in Beijing. This means the Garrison unit in Vietnam and the 1 infantry corps in Vietnam should have been relocated to Cambodia, giving me a total of 2 garrisons in Phenom Penh and 3 infantry garrisons stationed near Phenom Penh.

Besides, If I recall correctly, I should have 5 new garrison units up by next turn (June 1926) and I already insititued orders for their initial deployment to be 1 each to Shanghai, Canton, and Tienstin, and 2 in Port Arthur (but now changed to Kumning due to failure in Burma).

The only forces that passed through Kumnimg was the failed Burma invasion force of 3 corps and 1 HQ.

As far as Cambodia goes, the US promised Vietnam would not be touched, and you granted Vietnam independence. You specifically denied that to Cambodia in the Hague, and the US specifically said it wanted that to occur. The US is therefore achieving what it has to by gunpoint in this case. Just like the UK did in Burma and the Russians are doing in India and the Germans did in Belgium and Burgundy.

I only asked whether that 3rd and 2nd Navy in Norfolk are the ones off Canton now. I wasn't trying to dispute or argue aganist them being there.

As for Cambodia, I clearly stated at the Hague that Cambodia and Laos were introduced peacefully into the Chinese Empire in the exact same way that the US bought Louisiana and Alaska. Besides, the US did buy all these islands in the Pacific, so why is it any different for China? If anything, Louisiana and Alaska should be their own nations by the reasoning that the US gave China about Cambodia and Laos.

If China does lose Cambodia and Laos to the US, it will re-liberate them from the US in the same way the US would re-liberate Louisiana and Alaska if it was taken away from the US.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9834481&postcount=172

China
Is neutral, controls all of China, plus Tibet, Mongolia, French Indochina,

Forces: 4 Infantry corps in Manchuria (2 each Harbin, Port Arthur), 2 infantry corps in Vietnam (1 each Saigon, Hanoi), 1 infantry corps in Laos (Vian Tiane), 3 infantry corps, 1 HQ Cambodia (Phom Pinh or adjacent), 1 garrison each Hanoi, Canton, Shanghai, Mukden,

Fleet at Shanghai with 2 battleships, 20 light cruisers, 60 destroyers, 240 various patrol craft (corvettes), 20 submarines, 3 sealift counters (a lot that used to belong to France, Russia and Germany)

1 fighter, 1 bomber and 1 naval air unit at Foochow

According to this, I *did* have 2 infantry in Vietnam, 3 infantry in Cambodia, and 1 garrison in both Cambodia and Vietnam.

I sent the lone infantry unit in Laos, along with 2 Cambodian infantry units to attack Burma with the HQ unit, which means I still have 2 Vietnamese corps and 1 Cambodian corps still. I must have reversed the Vietnam and Cambodian numbers but I still have 3 corps there, not to mention 2 garrison units.

Thus, once Vietnam gained independence at the talks at Beijing (I clearly stated that happening in Oct. or so) my troops were to withdraw from Vietnam. I never ordered my troops at Vietnam to withdraw to Kumning.


EDIT: Wait a minute. I thought Mukden was in Cambodia- I don't remember saying set up a garrison in Mukden (If I did, it was because I thought it was in Cambodia) because I already have 4 corps in Manchuria to serve as defense. I may be wrong though- and if I am mistaken, then consider that garrison moved to Cambodia (Phenmon Penh)

Actually, that isn't quite true. I recall I had the following...


The only forces that passed through Kumnimg was the failed Burma invasion force of 3 corps and 1 HQ.

I am not going to argue with you on this. Read very carefully the action that has taken place in the September, November,and January turns. You changed your initial deployments twice, and ordered both of your infantry corps in Vietman to be sent to Cambodia in the November turn (when Vietnam gained independence) and then ordered them both to support the Burmese force last turn, where they were strategically moved as far as they could be sent. You have not ordered additional forces at this time to Cambodia. You started with 10 infantry corps, have lost 3, have 2 on the Burmese border, and the rest are holding your major coastal point based on your orders telegramed to me. The invasion of Cambodia stands.

I have deleted all of the many telegrams that you have sent me regarding the numerous order changes. Which is too bad I suppose, but I can only hold so many in my box at a time anyway. Bottem line, you ordered what is currently the deployment of the Chinese military.

I will not change that unless Vas rules otherwise. As he is not available tonight, expect no decision from him until late tonight or sometime tomorrow.

As far as "liberating" Cambodia goes, geography and US naval supremacy makes that unlikely. You can only do that by a)going through Siam or Burma, or B) going through Vietnam. Chinese forces in Vietnam will mean that the US will consider that you have invaded it and ithere are plenty of Allied reserves available to reach Indochina.

Review these posts, its everything that has happened in Southeast Asia so far

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9841850&postcount=188
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9846173&postcount=231
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9874811&postcount=358
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9871878&postcount=349
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9882942&postcount=377

It is far too late to change your mind about where your forces are this turn. I asked for orders Tuesday and didn't do anything Thursday as I was ill, and didn't start resolving combat until yesterday (Friday). If Chinese forces had not been on the Burmese border at the end of last turn, the British would have conducted their actions differently.

And you still have not responded to a very specific request I made to you as a player from the war moderator from your commanders regarding what to do with your aircraft as there seems to be a very large fleet closing in our your most important port.

You are being what is known in wargaming, and table top roleplaying, a rules lawyer. I have more posts from you complaining about actions that have occured than anyone else. It is slowing down things too much.

Some players would like this war to end, especially the ones not in it, and if it takes me a week to resolve 2 months of time because I have to defend every single thing that occurs that is negative to a player it is completely unfair to them, and unfair to everyone else who is in the war.

Even the nations that lose the war will stil be playable. This isn't a nuclear war after all, and they will survive, rebuild and be able to get into trouble later. But to make have the war drag on because the war moderator is too busy explaining things and defending quibbles because a single player is unhappy because of their strategic decisions is unfair to everyone else.

As far as "liberating" Cambodia goes, geography and US naval supremacy makes that unlikely. You can only do that by a)going through Siam or Burma, or B) going through Vietnam. Chinese forces in Vietnam will mean that the US will consider that you have invaded it and ithere are plenty of Allied reserves available to reach Indochina.

Not quite. Even if Cambodia falls, I can simply pass through Laos, which according to the CIA Factbook, borders China and Cambodia.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/la-map.gif

I wanted to get these stuff out of the way before I decide on my aircraft deployment.

If it will make everyone happy, I will move 2 infantry corps from Manchuria to Phenom Penh along with the Mukden garrison.

Not quite. Even if Cambodia falls, I can simply pass through Laos, which according to the CIA Factbook, borders China and Cambodia.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/la-map.gif

I wanted to get these stuff out of the way before I decide on my aircraft deployment.

If it will make everyone happy, I will move 2 infantry corps from Manchuria to Phenom Penh along with the Mukden garrison.

as stressed in the strategic move rules, you cannot strategically move adjacent to or adjacent from an enemy unit. In addition, there is no railline connecting Cambodia directly to Laos, it runs through Vietnam. You can strategically move to Laos however. But also remember, units that strategically move can not move the rest of the turn unless reorganized by a headquarters.

as stressed in the strategic move rules, you cannot strategically move adjacent to or adjacent from an enemy unit. In addition, there is no railline connecting Cambodia directly to Laos, it runs through Vietnam. You can strategically move to Laos however. But also remember, units that strategically move can not move the rest of the turn unless reorganized by a headquarters.

Understood.

I need to know if my garrison in Vietnam (after withdrawal) and my single remaining corps in Cambodia are in Phenom Penh.

Understood.

I need to know if my garrison in Vietnam (after withdrawal) and my single remaining corps in Cambodia are in Phenom Penh.

The reason why I need to know is so that I can evacuate them to Kumning or to mainland China.

Allied Forces
US ComSubPac
70 S class boats, 14 submarine tenders (Philippines)

US 7th Fleet (Manila Bay)
Carriers William McKinley, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln (60 aircraft each) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, Light cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan, San Diego, Colombia, Minneapolis, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, Australian light cruisers Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 5 Anzac destroyes, 55 US destroyers plus 1 USMC 10 point amphibious unit

US 5th Fleet (Manila Bay)
Aircraft Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga (100 aircraft each), heavy cruisers: Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Light cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, plus 30 destroyers

US 9th Fleet (Tahiti)
5 gunboats, 20 misc Coast Guard cutters and patrol boats

Philippine Islands Garrison
1 Philippine Army 5 point garrison unit in a fortification (Corrigedor), 1 US Army 6 point infantry corps, 1 Philippine Air Force fighter unit, 1 US Naval air unit

Australia
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps (Sydney)

New Zealand (Wellington)
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps

Malaya
1 Indian 7 point motorized infantry corps, 1 UK 7 point motorized infantry corps in a fortification (Singapore),

Pact and Major Neutral Forces
Siberian Strategic Direction (TVD)(Russian command)
HQ Chita
Siberian Front
1 x 8 point Garrison,1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 HQ in Khabarovsk. 4 Russian 7 point Infantry corps within two hexes of Khabarovsk.

Currently in Siberia the Japanese control Vladivostok, Konstantinovsk, Magadan, and Petropovlovsk and a few minor outposts between Kamchatka and Magadan. The Japanese are iced in for the winter at this time, and have 1 HQ, 5 x 6 point infantry corps and 2 x 7 point infantry corps in Siberia (the bulk of their army)

An armistice is in effect between the Russians and Japanese and Japan has officially declared itself neutral, withdrawn from the LTA and pulled out of the war.

Chinese Home Forces Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
Interned in Taiwan: 20 heavy cruisers, 60 large destroyers, 240 torpedo boats
In drydock (Canton): 2 battleships
3 Chinese 6 point garrisons (Canton, Shanghai, Mukden),
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Mukden)
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Port Arthur)
1 fighter, 1 bomber, 1 naval air (Canton)
1 Chinese 5 point garrison (Tsingtao)

additional forces are under construction

Southeast Asia Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (border hex between Kunming and Burmese border)

to keep things fresh as the turn is in progress

Western Front
France Allied Phase 1
The Allies continue their efforts to isolate Paris. An US 8 point mechanized corps joins the one already next to Rouen. Another 8 point corps joins the 8 point corps west of Paris. The Canadian HQ moves to the hex in the middle of the Brittany peninsula.

The Allies throw everything they have in the air to deal with Pact aircraft while they are still on the ground. 1 Colombian fighter and 1 UK bomber hits Boulogne, 1 Colombian fighter and 1 UK bomber hits Lille, 2 UK fighters and 2 US bombers hit Paris, 2 US fighter and 1 US bomber hits the hex northeast of Paris. The Pact is forced to scramble their fighters, sending 1 German fighter to deal with the Lille raid, and 1 French and 1 German fighter to deal with the Paris raid. Over Paris, 1 US bomber and 1 German fighter are shot down, and the French fighter is forced to abort. The surviving American bomber survives the flak and is able to disorganize both French bombers on the ground. Over Lille, both the Colombian fighter and the German fighter are forced to abort, but the bomber gets through and disorganizes the German bomber unit there. At Bouloge the Allies face no opposition in the air, and disorganize 1 French naval air unit and 1 German bomber unit. Northeast of Paris the American bomber manages to disorganize all three units there.

In Spain, 2 US 10 point Armored cavalry corps in Madrid move to Cartegena. In addtion, the South Africans move from Toulouse to the Vichy area.

The Allies launch their ground attack now. They have 17 points attacking from the east and 17 points attacking from the south the 15 points of defense in the hex northeast of Paris (2 German 7 point infantry corps and 1 French HQ). This gives them a 2:1+1 and they get a 10 which becomes an 11, destroying 1 German infantry corps and the French HQ, while 1 German corps is shattered (and returns next turn in any German city). The Americans roll well enough to avoid disorganization and move both of their 9 point mechanized corps into the hex (one from each stack) and totally cutting off Paris.

Further south, the Allies attack the hex 2 hexes east of Paris, where a French armored corps and French HQ are located. Their combined defense is 4 (armored corps are weak on defense, unlike armored cavalry), and Allies attack with a 9 point US mechanized corps and a UK 9 point corps, giving the 18, which becomes 4:1. They get a 7, shattering both French units (which return next turn in any city in Pact held France), and move into the hex, which puts them on both the Burgundy and Belgian borders. Once again the Allies are not disorganized.

During the strategic phase, 4 American armored cavalry corps are strategically moved by sea.from Barcelona and Cartagena to Nantes and St. Malo. A Moroccan Alpine corps is strategically moved from Santander to Toulouse for occupation duty (using a Spanish strategic move). 1 British motorized corps from Dover and a British garrison unit from Scapa Flow are moved by sea to Brest and Cherbourg to take over occupation duty. (all 6 sea moves are US strategic moves).

During the reorganization phase, all four US armored cavalry corps, plus all of the aircraft used during the phase except for the Colombian fighters (which were based in the UK and no HQ was available).

Italy Allied Phase 1
A British HQ and 2 British armored cavalry corps move from Milan to Genoa, while 2 US 7 point mechanized corps move adjacent to Trieste, and 2 Italian 5 point Alpine corps move adjacent to the Germans in Brenner Pass. 2 US 7 point mechanized corps move to Venice, as does the US HQ. 2 US 6 point mechanized corps moves from the Po Valley to Turin.

The Allies make no attacks and move 2 Italian infantry units in Rome to Vichy to take up occupation duty. (using 2 Italian strategic moves). A 4 point infantry corps from Bolivia also arrives in Naples (via Ecuador, using another US sea move) and becomes a theater reserve.

France Pact Phase 1
The Pact activates a contingency plan and Pact forces invade Belgium and Burgundy. A communist uprising breaks out in Burgundy, and a smaller one occurs in Belgium. Neither are particularly decisive, but the tie down local police forces and prevent defending forces from blowing bridges or cutting rail lines.

Burgundy is invaded from the west and east. A French 5 point Alpine corps, and 2 German 7 point infantry corps move adjacent to Metz from the south, while 2 German 8 point infantry corps (from Frankfurt) and 2 German 8 point corps and 1 HQ (from Stuttgart) close in from the east. German bombers from Boulogne hit the Burgandians as well, disorganizing 1 of the Burgundian infantry corps. The Burgundians are out of supply (as their entire country as been overrun). This reduces them from 15 base points to 11 base points (doubled to 22). This gives the Germans 2:1 +1.

Meanwhile, the German 5 point Alpine corps retreats across the Rhine (border hex with Switzerland) to ensure the Allies don’t take the opportunity to cross it.

Meanwhile, the French shift forces to defend Lille, moving a 7 point infantry corps from 6 point infantry corps from Rouen. A German 6 point corps evacuates Le Havre to Rouen.

In Belgium, the Czechs drive north with 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 German 5 point infantry corps and 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, and 1 French HQ to the two hexes east of Brussels. Along with them are 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps and 1 German HQ south of Brussels. This gives the Pact 30 points of ground strength. The Germans commit their naval air unit at Boulogne as a bomber and manage to disorganize both Belgian corps defending their capital. The Belgians have 12 points of defense doubled to 24 points (major city). This gives the Pact 1:1+1.

The Russians and Germans cross the border and have 4 Russian 7 point infantry corps and 2 Germans 8 point infantry and 1 HQ adjacent to Leige from the east. The Russians use 2 of their strategic moves to bring up 2 rail guns from Russia to add another 20 points of attack strength to the 44 already available. They face 6 points of Belgian points tripled to 18, giving them a 3:1.

The Pact now attacks. They roll a 12 at Metz, which becomes a 13, and the Burgundians lose their HQ and 1 infantry corps and the other is shattered. However, as the capital and all production centers have been conquered, that corps is also eliminated. Burgundy surrenders. The Germans do not lose any units and are not disorganized. At Brussels, the Pact rolls a 9 which becomes a 10, and destroy both Belgian units both also lose a German 5 point infantry. The Czech 5 point mechanized corps takes the city. All Pact units are left disorganized. At Leige, the Pact has 3:1 odds rolls a 8, destroying the Belgians but suffering no casualties. However once again all Pact units are disorganized.
The Belgians in Antwerp however are forced to surrender as Belgium has been conquered, as the capital and both production centers have fallen.

(500,000 Belgian and Burgundian troops go into captivity as a result of this campaign).

The German HQ at Brussels reorganizes all three Czech corps, while the German HQ south of Brussels reorganizes the 2 Russian cavalry corps and 1 German infantry corps (that attacked Leige), while the German HQ at Leige reorganizes the other German infantry corps and 2 Russian infantry corps. However 2 Russian corps remain disorganized, as do the 2 rail guns.

Situation end of phase 1
The Allies have isolated Paris and are threatening to cut off the entire Pact army in the south. The Pact uses everything they have and overruns Burgundy and Belgium, (in spite of their neutrality and the Burgundians having allowed them transit rights for the entire war so far).. However the front has been left a hollow shell and the Allies are getting ready to resume their advance.

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Far East
Allied First Phase
Meanwhile, the bulk of the US Navy submarine forces continues to blockade China, while the US 3rd Fleet enters the South China Sea and moves into attack position 150 miles from Canton.

Meanwhile, the Japanese Combined Fleet moves into the waters off Siberia and begins taking off Japanese troops from Konstanivoch and Vladivostok.

During the strategic move phase 4 corps and 1 HQ are moved from Vladivostok and Konstanivoch and sent to the Japanese Home Islands.

South Asia
Allied Phase 1
The Allies work on containing and stopping the Russian invasion. The Australian cavalry shifts to Jaipur to extend the front, while a 7 point infantry and the HQ northwest of Delhi moves into Delhi. A 6 point infantry corps in Multan moves to take their place, while in Lahore, 1 Indian 6 point corps moves into Multan to take that corps place and the other corps in Lahore remains in place to delay the Russians coming from the northwest. The South African corps at Bombay moves to take up position to the northeast of the city and take up positions along the south bank of the Narmada river.

Meanwhile, further east the 2 mechanized Indian corps in Burma move overland to Dacca. The British fleet steams into the Bay of Bengal and picks up the Australians and Canadians from Rangoon.

The Indians then look at the lead element of the Russian invasion force, a 6 point infantry corps adjacent to Delhi to the west. They have 13 points north of the Russians, 7 points in Delhi that can attack, and 4 points in Jaipur that can attack. 24 points total versus 6 Russian (a 4:1) and chose to attack. They get a 6 and element the Russian corps, although all 4 Allied units are left disorganized.

During the strategic phase the British use 3 strategic moves to shift the Colombo garrison to Singapore and the Indian 7 point motorized corps from Singapore to Bombay and the British 7 point motorized corps from Singapore to Madras. 3 more moves are used to shift 2 UK 8 point armored cavalry corps and 1 HQ from Italy to India. The HQ goes to Bombay and the armored cavalry arrives at Mangalore.

During the reorganization phase the Indians reorganize the 3 Indian corps around Delhi, although the Anzacs remain disorganized.

Pact Phase One
The Russians continue their advance. 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps move from Karachi to Ahmadabad. 2 more 3 point cavalry corps move from the border to southeast of Jaipur, while 2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps shift from Hyderabad to Karachi to defend that port from a potential Allied amphibious landing. Further north, the Russians decide that further advance east won’t be possible until they take Multan, which also offers the possibility of cutting off the Indians in Lahore as well (and further damaging the Indian Army). On the Northwest Frontier, the Russians in Peshwar swing east through the mountains into the Kashmir and move into the hex east of Rawalpindi, while a cavalry corps advances into Rawalpindi itself (and becomes disorganized do to the cost of terrain doing so). 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps move from Kabul to the Kyber Pass.

Now the Russians decide to attack. 3 bombers from Kabul attack the defenders at Multan, and manage to disorganize one of them. Now the Russians decide to attack. They have 36 point versus 12 Indian points which are tripled (behind a river and in a major city) to 36 points. The Russians have a 1:1+1. They get a 7 which becomes an 8, and each side loses a 6 point corps (the Indians lose the disorganized one). The Russians are left disorganized, but during the reorganization phase will bring reorganize both corps south of the city, and the surviving corps east of that city. Further south, the Russians have 12 point of cavalry facing 4 points of Australian cavalry (doubled for defense because of city) for a 3:2+1. The Russians get an 11 which becomes a 12, and the Australians are destroyed and the Russians use the 2 corps southwest of the city to take the city, once again putting Russian units adjacent to Delhi.

Losses phase 1
Russians: 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (200,000 troops)
Allies: 1 Anzac 4 point cavalry corps, 1 Indian 6 point infantry corps (100,000 Anzac and 100,000 Indian casualties)

Pact Phase 1 Far East
The Chinese frantically get permission from the Vietnamese to shift 2 infantry corps from Manchuria to Cambodia. They use 2 strategic moves to do so.



I am going to be merciful, and let the Chinese keep Cambodia for purely OOC reasons. This will not be allowed to happen again. This means that both Chinese corps are disorganized and cannot move again this turn. It also strips them of half their strategic reserve. The US Navy still has the 7th Fleet and 2 corps, including an amphibious corps, it can commit to other operations.

Allied convoys take to sea as always, and one of them, a convoy consisting of 30 merchant ships, 4 corvettes, and 2 destroyers is attacked by 5 German light cruisers 500 miles south of Iceland on March 4. All 6 Canadian escorts are sunk, as are 10 merchant ships (nearly 67,000 tons of shipping plus the escorts) but the desperate fight by the escorts enables the remaining ships to scatter and escape. A week later, the Germans attack another convoy, but this time a task group of 2 American heavy cruisers (the Salem and Newport News), 2 light cruisers (Brooklyn and Nashville) and 10 US destroyers is close enough to respond to the escorts call for help. The convoy, with 6 British corvettes and 2 British destroyers, along with 40 ships, suffers heavy losses but a torpedo spread from a British destroyer blows up one of the raiders before all 8 escorts are sunk. The remaining 4 cruisers have managed to sink 15 merchant ships before the American cruisers show up and quickly sink all 4 German cruisers, although in the process 3 more American destroyers are lost.

This last gasp by the Pact surface fleet in all has destroyed 17 escorts and 25 merchant ships in all (125,000 tons) but in the end only 450 German sailors survive as POWs.

Meanwhile

Convoys and submarines continue to duel, and 460,.000 tons of Allied shipping, along with 4 US destroyers and 6 British corvettes are sunk. However, 29 German, 26 Russian and 6 French submarines are sunk as well.

It is the worst losses of the war for Allied shipping, with 585,000 tons lost, but it is costly for the Pact as well. However, Allied losses are less than 5% of their total shipping, while Pact submarine losses are nearly 20% of their submarine fleet.


tag

Pact Forces
Rouen: 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit
Le Havre: 1 German 6 point infantry corps
Lille: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, 1 French HQ, 1 French bomber unit, 1 German fighter unit, 1 German bomber unit
Calais: 1 French coast artillery unit, 1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point garrison unit
Boulogne: 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French Naval air unit, 1 German naval air unit, 2 German bomber units,
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, 1 French fighter unit, 1 German fighter unit, 2 French bomber units, fortified hex
Hex 2 hexes east of Paris: 1 French HQ, 1 French 6 point Armored corps,
Hex northeast of Paris: 1 French HQ, 2 German 7 point infantry corps,
Crossroads hex 2 hexes northeast of Paris: 1 German HQ, 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps
Hex east of wooded hex: 2 German 7 point infantry corps
Mountain hex on Swiss border: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps, 1 German Alpine corps
Corsica garrison (isolated and out of supply) 1 French 5 point garrison unit

Pact Reserves and German Home Defense forces
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Aachen)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Koln)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps (Stuttgart)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps (Karlesruhe)
2 German 8 point infantry corps (Frankfurt)
1 German 7 point infantry corps (Dusseldorf)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Bremen)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Kiel)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery, 1 German HQ, 1 German fighter unit, (Hamburg)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German 5 point Alpine Corps, 1 German HQ (Munich)
2 German 4 point paratrooper corps, 2 German air transport units, 1 German fighter (Berlin)


LTA Forces
US 15th Army Group
1 US 8 point mechanized corps (resource hex southwest of Rouen),
2 US 9 point mechanized corps (between Roen and Paris),
1 US HQ, 1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex west of Paris)
1 US HQ, 2 US 8 point mechanized corps (2 hexes west of Paris)
3 US fighter units, (Cherbourg),
2 US bomber units (St. Malo),

British 21st Army Group
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, 1 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex east of Paris)
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex southeast of Paris)
1 UK HQ, 2 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy)
1 US 9 point mechanized corps (wooded hex southeast of Paris),
1 UK HQ, 2 UK bomber units 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy),
1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (Toulouse),
2 US 5 point Alpine corps, 1 Italian bomber unit (Lyon),
1 Canadian HQ, 2 UK fighter units (2 hexes east of Nantes),

LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 11 point motorized infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve)
2 UK 8 point motorized infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve),
1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Santander, reserve),
2 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (Madrid, reserve),
1 US 9 point armored corps, 1 US 10 point armored corps (Barcelona, reserve),

1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Malaga, occupation),),
1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Vigo, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz),
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Bayonne, occupation),
1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
6 point UK motorized infantry corps, 2 Colombian fighter units, 1 bomber unit, (fortified Dover),
5 point UK garrison (fortified Scapa Flow),
1 UK naval air unit (Dover), 1 UK naval air unit (Belfast)


tag, in progress.. take special note of the large forces on occupation duty at the start of the turn, and remember they were there last turn as well

Western Front
France Allied Phase 1
The Allies continue their efforts to isolate Paris. An US 8 point mechanized corps joins the one already next to Rouen. Another 8 point corps joins the 8 point corps west of Paris. The Canadian HQ moves to the hex in the middle of the Brittany peninsula.

The Allies throw everything they have in the air to deal with Pact aircraft while they are still on the ground. 1 Colombian fighter and 1 UK bomber hits Boulogne, 1 Colombian fighter and 1 UK bomber hits Lille, 2 UK fighters and 2 US bombers hit Paris, 2 US fighter and 1 US bomber hits the hex northeast of Paris. The Pact is forced to scramble their fighters, sending 1 German fighter to deal with the Lille raid, and 1 French and 1 German fighter to deal with the Paris raid. Over Paris, 1 US bomber and 1 German fighter are shot down, and the French fighter is forced to abort. The surviving American bomber survives the flak and is able to disorganize both French bombers on the ground. Over Lille, both the Colombian fighter and the German fighter are forced to abort, but the bomber gets through and disorganizes the German bomber unit there. At Bouloge the Allies face no opposition in the air, and disorganize 1 French naval air unit and 1 German bomber unit. Northeast of Paris the American bomber manages to disorganize all three units there.

In Spain, 2 US 10 point Armored cavalry corps in Madrid move to Cartegena. In addtion, the South Africans move from Toulouse to the Vichy area.

The Allies launch their ground attack now. They have 17 points attacking from the east and 17 points attacking from the south the 15 points of defense in the hex northeast of Paris (2 German 7 point infantry corps and 1 French HQ). This gives them a 2:1+1 and they get a 10 which becomes an 11, destroying 1 German infantry corps and the French HQ, while 1 German corps is shattered (and returns next turn in any German city). The Americans roll well enough to avoid disorganization and move both of their 9 point mechanized corps into the hex (one from each stack) and totally cutting off Paris.

Further south, the Allies attack the hex 2 hexes east of Paris, where a French armored corps and French HQ are located. Their combined defense is 4 (armored corps are weak on defense, unlike armored cavalry), and Allies attack with a 9 point US mechanized corps and a UK 9 point corps, giving the 18, which becomes 4:1. They get a 7, shattering both French units (which return next turn in any city in Pact held France), and move into the hex, which puts them on both the Burgundy and Belgian borders. Once again the Allies are not disorganized.

During the strategic phase, 4 American armored cavalry corps are strategically moved by sea.from Barcelona and Cartagena to Nantes and St. Malo. A Moroccan Alpine corps is strategically moved from Santander to Toulouse for occupation duty (using a Spanish strategic move). 1 British motorized corps from Dover and a British garrison unit from Scapa Flow are moved by sea to Brest and Cherbourg to take over occupation duty. (all 6 sea moves are US strategic moves).

During the reorganization phase, all four US armored cavalry corps, plus all of the aircraft used during the phase except for the Colombian fighters (which were based in the UK and no HQ was available).

Italy Allied Phase 1
A British HQ and 2 British armored cavalry corps move from Milan to Genoa, while 2 US 7 point mechanized corps move adjacent to Trieste, and 2 Italian 5 point Alpine corps move adjacent to the Germans in Brenner Pass. 2 US 7 point mechanized corps move to Venice, as does the US HQ. 2 US 6 point mechanized corps moves from the Po Valley to Turin.

The Allies make no attacks and move 2 Italian infantry units in Rome to Vichy to take up occupation duty. (using 2 Italian strategic moves). A 4 point infantry corps from Bolivia also arrives in Naples (via Ecuador, using another US sea move) and becomes a theater reserve.

France Pact Phase 1
The Pact activates a contingency plan and Pact forces invade Belgium and Burgundy. A communist uprising breaks out in Burgundy, and a smaller one occurs in Belgium. Neither are particularly decisive, but the tie down local police forces and prevent defending forces from blowing bridges or cutting rail lines.

Burgundy is invaded from the west and east. A French 5 point Alpine corps, and 2 German 7 point infantry corps move adjacent to Metz from the south, while 2 German 8 point infantry corps (from Frankfurt) and 2 German 8 point corps and 1 HQ (from Stuttgart) close in from the east. German bombers from Boulogne hit the Burgandians as well, disorganizing 1 of the Burgundian infantry corps. The Burgundians are out of supply (as their entire country as been overrun). This reduces them from 15 base points to 11 base points (doubled to 22). This gives the Germans 2:1 +1.

Meanwhile, the German 5 point Alpine corps retreats across the Rhine (border hex with Switzerland) to ensure the Allies don’t take the opportunity to cross it.

Meanwhile, the French shift forces to defend Lille, moving a 7 point infantry corps from 6 point infantry corps from Rouen. A German 6 point corps evacuates Le Havre to Rouen.

In Belgium, the Czechs drive north with 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 German 5 point infantry corps and 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps, and 1 French HQ to the two hexes east of Brussels. Along with them are 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps and 1 German HQ south of Brussels. This gives the Pact 30 points of ground strength. The Germans commit their naval air unit at Boulogne as a bomber and manage to disorganize both Belgian corps defending their capital. The Belgians have 12 points of defense doubled to 24 points (major city). This gives the Pact 1:1+1.

The Russians and Germans cross the border and have 4 Russian 7 point infantry corps and 2 Germans 8 point infantry and 1 HQ adjacent to Leige from the east. The Russians use 2 of their strategic moves to bring up 2 rail guns from Russia to add another 20 points of attack strength to the 44 already available. They face 6 points of Belgian points tripled to 18, giving them a 3:1.

The Pact now attacks. They roll a 12 at Metz, which becomes a 13, and the Burgundians lose their HQ and 1 infantry corps and the other is shattered. However, as the capital and all production centers have been conquered, that corps is also eliminated. Burgundy surrenders. The Germans do not lose any units and are not disorganized. At Brussels, the Pact rolls a 9 which becomes a 10, and destroy both Belgian units both also lose a German 5 point infantry. The Czech 5 point mechanized corps takes the city. All Pact units are left disorganized. At Leige, the Pact has 3:1 odds rolls a 8, destroying the Belgians but suffering no casualties. However once again all Pact units are disorganized.
The Belgians in Antwerp however are forced to surrender as Belgium has been conquered, as the capital and both production centers have fallen.

(500,000 Belgian and Burgundian troops go into captivity as a result of this campaign).

The German HQ at Brussels reorganizes all three Czech corps, while the German HQ south of Brussels reorganizes the 2 Russian cavalry corps and 1 German infantry corps (that attacked Leige), while the German HQ at Leige reorganizes the other German infantry corps and 2 Russian infantry corps. However 2 Russian corps remain disorganized, as do the 2 rail guns.

Situation end of phase 1
The Allies have isolated Paris and are threatening to cut off the entire Pact army in the south. The Pact uses everything they have and overruns Burgundy and Belgium, (in spite of their neutrality and the Burgundians having allowed them transit rights for the entire war so far).. However the front has been left a hollow shell and the Allies are getting ready to resume their advance.

refreshing memories for next round

ooc situation so at the end of phase 1 in the West

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/fullimage/95676

Rouen: 1 German 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit
Brussels: 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 French HQ
Hex southeast of Brussels: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps
Lille:, 1 French HQ, 1 French 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French bomber unit (disorganized), 1 German fighter unit (disorganized), 1 German bomber unit (disorganized)
Calais: 1 French coast artillery unit, 1 French 3 point garrison unit
Boulogne: 1 French Naval air unit (disorganized), 1 German bomber units ( disorganized),
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, 1 French fighter unit (disorganized), 2 French bomber units (disorganized), fortified hex
Resource hex southwest of Leige: 1 German HQ, 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps
Rhine River line (on Swiss border) 1 German Alpine corps
Resource hex east of Metz: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Liege)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (Koln resource hex)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps, 1 German naval air unit (disorganized), 1 German bomber unit (disorganized) (Stuttgart)
1 German HQ, 2 German 8 point infantry corps (Metz)
2 German 8 point infantry corps (Saarbruchen)
1 German 7 point infantry corps (Dusseldorf)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Bremen)
1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit (Kiel)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery, 1 German HQ, 1 German fighter unit, (Hamburg)
1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German 5 point Alpine Corps, 1 German HQ (Munich)
2 German 4 point paratrooper corps, 2 German air transport units, 1 German fighter (Berlin)

Shattered: 1 French HQ, 1 French armored corps, 1 German 7 point infantry corps,
Destroyed: 1 German 7 point infantry corps, 1 French HQ, 1 German fighter, 1 German 5 point infantry corps

Allied losses: 1 US bomber, 2 Burgundian motorized infantry corps, 1 Burgundian HQ, 4 Belgian infantry corps, 1 Belgian garrison corps,




US 15th Army Group
2 US 8 point mechanized corps (resource hex southwest of Rouen),
2 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Paris),
1 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex between Rouen and Paris)
1 US HQ, 2 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex west of Paris)
1 US HQ (used), (hex between St. Malo and Cherbourg)
3 US fighter units, (Cherbourg),
1 US bomber units (St. Malo),
2 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (Nantes)
1 US 9 point armored corps, 1 US 10 point armored corps (St. Malo)

British 21st Army Group
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex east of Paris)
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex southeast of Paris)
1 UK HQ, (wooded hex southeast of Paris),
1 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy)
1 UK HQ (used), 2 UK bomber units 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy),
Hex 2 hexes east of Paris: 1 US 9 point mechanized corps, 1 UK 9 point mechanized corps
1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (1 hex east of Vichy),
2 US 5 point Alpine corps, 1 Italian bomber unit (Lyon),
1 Canadian HQ (used),
2 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (Nantes), 2 UK fighter units(Nantes)
1 US 9 point armored cavalry corps, 1 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (St. Malo)


LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 11 point motorized infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve)

2 UK 8 point motorized infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve),
1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Toulouse, occupation),
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Vichy)
1 UK 7 point motorized corps (Brest)
1 UK 5 point garrison unit (Cherbourg)
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Bayonne, occupation),
1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation),

1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)
1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Malaga, occupation),),
1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation),
1 Portuguese 5 point motorized infantry corps (Vigo, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz),

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
2 Colombian fighter units (used), 1 UK bomber unit, (fortified Dover),
1 UK naval air unit (Dover), 1 UK naval air unit (Belfast)


Its going to be a busy turn


refreshing for next round, corrections added in after checking previous production.. Did I mention that I do a lot of typing for this game?

German home forces are in bold, with 7 infantry that arrived at start of March turn

Allied Phase 2
General Hunter Liggett, commander of Allied Forces France, is outraged when news of the Pact invasion of Burgundy and Belgium is received. The offensive to crush France once and for all so that the real enemy Germany could be reached. The 15th Army Group (Chaffee) move up to launch assaults on Paris and Rouen, while the 21st Army Group (Allenby) moves to attack Pact forces west of Metz.

(after Allied movement)
US 15th Army Group
Battle of Rouen
1 US 8 point mechanized corps, 1 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (between Roen and Paris),
1 US 9 point armored corps, 1 US 10 point armored cavalry corps (hex southeast of Rouen),
1 US 8 point mechanized corps (hex east of Rouen)
versus
Rouen: 1 German 6 point infantry corps, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, destroyed

Battle of Paris
2 US 9 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Paris),
1 US HQ, 1 US 9 point mechanized corps, 1 US 10 point armored corps (hex west of Paris)
2 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex southwest of Paris)
2 US 8 point mechanized corps, (hex east of Paris)
1 US 9 point mechanized corps, 1 UK 9 point mechanized corps (hex southeast of Paris)
1 US HQ (used), (hex between St. Malo and Cherbourg)
3 US fighter units, (Cherbourg),
1 US bomber units (St. Malo),
versus
Paris: 1 French 7 point infantry corps, 1 French 8 point garrison, 1 French 3 point artillery unit, 1 French fighter unit (disorganized), 2 French bomber units (disorganized), fortified hex, all units destroyed except 1 bomber that is shattered

British 21st Army Group
Battle of Sedan
1 UK 9 point mechanized corps, 1 South African 7 point mechanized corps (hex between Belgian and French wooded hexes)
Versus
Resource hex east of Metz: 1 French 5 point Alpine corps, destroyed

1 UK HQ, (wooded hex southeast of Paris),
1 UK HQ (used), 2 UK bomber units 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps (hex northeast of Vichy),
1 US 7 point mechanized corps, (2 hexes west of Vichy),
2 US 5 point Alpine corps (mountain hex northwest of Berne)
2 US 6 point mechanized corps, 1 Italian bomber unit (Lyon),
1 Canadian HQ (used), (3 hexes west of Paris)
2 UK fighter units(Nantes)

1 US fighter, 1 US bomber hit Rouen, 2 US fighters, 2 US bombers , 2 UK bombers hit Paris, and 1 Italian bomber, 2 UK fighters hit the French west of Metz. Only Paris has any flak, and manages to abort 2 of the US fighters. However, Allied aircraft disorganize the German infantry corps at Rouen, Allied bombers disorganize all units in Paris, and the French Alpine corps (in the process using practically every Allied aircraft in France)

At Rouen, the Americans have 45 points of ground strength versus 9 Pact points, giving them a 5:1 +1. and get a 6 which becomes a 7, eliminating both Pact units and the move the 10 point armored corps southeast of Rouen into Rouen. Zone of control also gives them Le Havre as well. At Paris, the Allies have 61 points on the ground, and one of them is an armored corps, eliminating the Paris fortification bonus for the defenders. In addition, the French are out of supply and disorganized, reducing them to 7 points of defense doubled to 14 points (major city bonus). This gives the Allies 4:1+1, and they get a 9 which becomes a 10, destroying 2 French units and shattering the other, which is surrounded and is also eliminated. The Americans advance into the city with their 10 point armored corps and 9 point mechanized corps that had been west of the city. Upon occupying the hex, the disorganized Pact air units are overrun. Half are destroyed, and half are shattered and return next turn in a Friendly city owned by France (1 bomber, 1 fighter destroyed, 1 bomber will come back in a French controlled city in France, if any remain at the end of the turn). Once again the Allies are not disorganized.

Near Metz, the British and South Africans have 15 points against 5 French points, a 3:1 +1 and get a 6 which becomes a 7, eliminating the French. However, the British and South African stack is disorganized.

No strategic moves occur in this theater this turn, and a British HQ reorganizes the South Africans and British corps that killed the French Alpine unit.

In Italy, the Allies remain in place, except for the 2 American corps that moved from Turin to Lyon.

Allied losses: no units (figure about 50,000 spread out over the entire front)
Pact losses: 1 German infantry corps, 1 French garrison unit, 1 French infantry corps, 1 French Alpine corps, 2 French artillery units, 1 French fighter unit, 1 French bomber unit, (100,000 German casaulties, including 40,000 POWs, 800,000 French casualties, including 500,000 POWs)

although most of the cultural sites in Paris probably survived with little damage (as Foch wouldn't sacrifice his heritage in a losing battle, the residential and business and industrial areas are almost certainly heavily damaged by Allied firepower. Needless to say Paris production will have to be rebuilt).

Pact orders are needed for the Western Front

OKW and STAVKA recommend falling back behind the Dyle / Maas river and plus Metz and a wooded hex in front of the Rhine. It will provide a solid front. Needless to say, the French General Staff (that survived the fall of France, Foch has been captured, as has a badly wounded Kirov) want an immediate offensive to take the Paris back. Except for a minority of French generals who want to surrender as the Pact controlled France now consists of Lille, Calais and Boulogne and an army of a mere 600,000 at this point.

ooc
if Lille falls, all French units surrender as France is considered conquered, unless those units are in contact (adjacent) to Pact ground units that are in supply. Once Lille falls, all French production points (well, once their production centers are rebuilt) go to the Allies, although the production centers evacuated to Russia remain Russian (become Russian production points). In other words, the factories have been moved, but most of the workers, and infrastructure and economic activity that supports French industry is still in France and can be rebuilt by the Allies for their purposes, or the Pact should the Pact regain France. The points transferred to Russia are now permanently Russian.

a historical example would be what happened in Manchuria in 1945 when the Soviets took it over from the Japanese and in the Soviet Union during the war. They moved the heavy equipment, and some of the workers, but post war those factories remained where they were moved, and the old factories were eventually rebuilt as well.

IC
The LTA is demanding immediate French surrender. If France surrenders now, it will be allowed to keep Corsica, French West Africa, and the US will even give back Martinique and Guadalupe in the Caribbean. Further resistance will mean those terms will have to be revised. Postwar the French will be allowed an army of 500,000, armed aircraft that are single engined only, and ships will be limited to 12,000 tons, and cannot have larger than 8 inch guns, and no carriers and only 20 submarines.

In addition, postwar, the LTA will help France rebuild, and it must become neutral, neither part of the LTA or allied with Russia or Germany, and it must again guarantee Belgian and Burgundian independence.

The information that the next offer will be far harsher is also provided.

The Americans tell the British and the other LTA allies that this offer is meant to ensure a quick resolution of the situation in France so that the war can proceed against the more dangerous enemies of Germany and Russia, and also reduce Allied casualties mopping up the French.

The US government urges strongly its fellow allies to agree to this if France does.

Seeing that I can't login on the jolt forums to check any new stuff until just now...

First, I said I needed to know whether my 1 remaining corps and the Vietnamese garrison were stationed in Phemon Penh. If they are, would it be possible to withdraw from there to Laos and leave Cambodia in the LTA hands (to be re-liberated at a later date)?

Second, I needed to know for certain whether the USA carriers are with the 3rd fleet (which supposedly doesn't have any carriers when they sailed from Norfolk) or if the carriers were stationed off the coast of Cambodia with the "overwhelming force" that apparently netted the LTA Cambodia.

Finally, as for my aircraft- I'm putting my fighters in the air, and put them on constant patrols over Canton. 1000 fighters versus 200 USA fighters (I'm led to believe the USA can only field 200 fighters if they filled their carriers to the max with no bombers on the carriers). Thus, should the US attack Canton with its fighters, my planes will intercept the fighters, while my bombers and maritime planes will manuever around the fighter VS fighter combat to attack the US fleet- priority is given to battleships and the two US carriers. This is all assuming the US does attack Canton and constitutes a declaration of war aganist China.

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Yes- I am giving up Cambodia and perhaps Laos. I will have to re-liberate them at a later date.

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First, I said I needed to know whether my 1 remaining corps and the Vietnamese garrison were stationed in Phemon Penh. If they are, would it be possible to withdraw from there to Laos and leave Cambodia in the LTA hands (to be re-liberated at a later date)?

Second, I needed to know for certain whether the USA carriers are with the 3rd fleet (which supposedly doesn't have any carriers when they sailed from Norfolk) or if the carriers were stationed off the coast of Cambodia with the "overwhelming force" that apparently netted the LTA Cambodia.

Finally, as for my aircraft- I'm putting my fighters in the air, and put them on constant patrols over Canton. 1000 fighters versus 200 USA fighters (I'm led to believe the USA can only field 200 fighters if they filled their carriers to the max with no bombers on the carriers). Thus, should the US attack Canton with its fighters, my planes will intercept the fighters, while my bombers and maritime planes will manuever around the fighter VS fighter combat to attack the US fleet- priority is given to battleships and the two US carriers. This is all assuming the US does attack Canton and constitutes a declaration of war aganist China. .

see below
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9890505&postcount=421

Secondly, the US has already declared war against China and did so after the attack on the Australian fleet as required under the LTA treaty. Finally, check revisions .. fighter counters represent 500 aircraft. Of these, about 20% are not operational (an average number, and historically typical) versus about about the same percentages for the 200 American carrier aircraft, of which 35% are fighters. The Americans will not attack, content to make their show of force and confident that the fleet can defend itself adequately with flak and fighters.

OOC
What is happening is that the LTA is pressuring the Chinese in order to keep them off balance. The Chinese High Command has to worry about a landing occuring anywhere between the border with Vietnam all the way up to Hong Kong and Canton. Which should keep lots of reserves tied down for Chinese home defense. The US 7th Fleet is still in the Philippines with the US 6th Army (1 infantry and 1 amphbious corps), plus the Anzacs have a couple of corps as well they can use. In other words, if the Allies really want to, they can get ashore somewhere. Plus if for some reason those interned Chinese ships suddenly go to sea to do battle, the US 7th Fleet can leave port and reinforce the US 3rd Fleet.

see below
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9890505&postcount=421

Secondly, the US has already declared war against China and did so after the attack on the Australian fleet as required under the LTA treaty. Finally, check revisions .. fighter counters represent 500 aircraft. Of these, about 20% are not operational (an average number, and historically typical) versus about about the same percentages for the 200 American carrier aircraft, of which 35% are fighters. The Americans will not attack, content to make their show of force and confident that the fleet can defend itself adequately with flak and fighters.

OOC
What is happening is that the LTA is pressuring the Chinese in order to keep them off balance. The Chinese High Command has to worry about a landing occuring anywhere between the border with Vietnam all the way up to Hong Kong and Canton. Which should keep lots of reserves tied down for Chinese home defense. The US 7th Fleet is still in the Philippines with the US 6th Army (1 infantry and 1 amphbious corps), plus the Anzacs have a couple of corps as well they can use. In other words, if the Allies really want to, they can get ashore somewhere. Plus if for some reason those interned Chinese ships suddenly go to sea to do battle, the US 7th Fleet can leave port and reinforce the US 3rd Fleet.

I have had no intention of invading anything beyond Burma and the mainland part of Malaysia. Seeing that both are out of the question now (with the failed invasion and the massive build up in Singapore), I will simply be content to sit out the war and build my defenses and repel any possible invasion (ground, air, or naval). Other than defense, there will be no offensive action from China aganist anyone from this point onwards.

My orders still stand- have my aircraft watch the LTA's movements, and if the LTA actually attacks then I'll scramble my fighters to intercept the US fighters and my bombers fly roundabout to attack the battleships and the two carriers. This is *only* if the LTA does bombard and attack my Chinese cities.

My interned Chinese fleet will not be going anywhere for the duration of the war. I have no plans on attacking anything with my navy, so the US does not have to worry about the interned Chinese fleet.

Allied Forces
US ComSubPac
70 S class boats, 14 submarine tenders (Philippines)

US 7th Fleet (Manila Bay)
Carriers William McKinley, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln (60 aircraft each) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, Light cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan, San Diego, Colombia, Minneapolis, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, Australian light cruisers Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 5 Anzac destroyes, 55 US destroyers plus 1 USMC 10 point amphibious unit

US 3rd Fleet (Manila Bay)
Aircraft Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga (100 aircraft each), heavy cruisers: Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Light cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, plus 30 destroyers

US 9th Fleet (Tahiti)
5 gunboats, 20 misc Coast Guard cutters and patrol boats

Philippine Islands Garrison
1 Philippine Army 5 point garrison unit in a fortification (Corrigedor), 1 US Army 6 point infantry corps, 1 Philippine Air Force fighter unit, 1 US Naval air unit

Australia
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps (Sydney)

New Zealand (Wellington)
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps

Malaya
1 Indian 7 point motorized infantry corps, 1 UK 7 point motorized infantry corps in a fortification (Singapore),

Pact and Major Neutral Forces
Siberian Strategic Direction (TVD)(Russian command)
HQ Chita
Siberian Front
1 x 8 point Garrison,1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 HQ in Khabarovsk. 4 Russian 7 point Infantry corps within two hexes of Khabarovsk.

Currently in Siberia the Japanese control Vladivostok, Konstantinovsk, Magadan, and Petropovlovsk and a few minor outposts between Kamchatka and Magadan. The Japanese are iced in for the winter at this time, and have 1 HQ, 5 x 6 point infantry corps and 2 x 7 point infantry corps in Siberia (the bulk of their army)

An armistice is in effect between the Russians and Japanese and Japan has officially declared itself neutral, withdrawn from the LTA and pulled out of the war.

Chinese Home Forces Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
Interned in Taiwan: 20 heavy cruisers, 60 large destroyers, 240 torpedo boats
In drydock (Canton): 2 battleships
3 Chinese 6 point garrisons (Canton, Shanghai, Mukden),
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Mukden)
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Port Arthur)
1 fighter, 1 bomber, 1 naval air (Canton)
1 Chinese 5 point garrison (Tsingtao)

additional forces are under construction

Southeast Asia Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (border hex between Kunming and Burmese border)

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Pact Forces
Russian Home Forces
Poland 2 x 3 point cavalry corps
Hungary 1 x 6 point infantry corps
Ukraine 2 x 3 point cavalry corps, 4 x 6 point mechanized corps, 1 theater supply unit
Moscow: 1 x 10 point garrison, 1 theater supply unit
Riga: 1 x 7 point infantry corps, 1 coast defense unit
Helsinki 1 x 6 point infantry corps
Petrograd: 2 railroad siege artillery units
Petrograd Fleet: 12 destroyers, 18 corvettes needing repairs (considered one light ship, needs 2 points to go back into action), plus 40 submarines
Black Sea Fleet (Sevastapol) 1 x 6 point amphibious corps, 1 shipping unit

Pact Atlantic command
available for operations: 50 German submarines, 50 Russian submarines, 14 French submarines, 10 Russian destroyers, 20 German destroyers. All other ships, including 2 battleships, 2 battle cruisers, 5 light cruisers, 20 destroyers (all of which were seriously damaged) have been scrapped and their crews sent to man either coast defense units or to provide crews for submarines.

5 German light cruisers have managed to slip out into the Atlantic in late February (sunk)


Mideast Area
Turkish forces (neutral at this time)

Egypt - 1 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Suez), 1 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Suez), 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Alexandria,),
Persia -2 Turkish 4 point infantry corps (Tehran, Bandar Shapur)
Iraq – 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Basra), 1 Turkish 4 point garrison unit (Baghdad)
Arabia – 1 Turkish 2 point Cavalry corps (Riyadh)
Syria – 1 Turkish 3 point infantry corps (Damascus), 1 Turkish 3 point Cavalry corps (Damascus)
Home Forces – 1 Turkish 5 point infantry corps, 1 Turkish 4 point Amphibious unit, 1 fighter unit, (Istanbul), 1 Turkish 6 point garrison (Gallipolli), 1 Turkish 4 point Alpine corps (Ezrurum),
Turkish fleet – 5 battleships, 1 carrier,34 light cruisers, 48 destroyers, 30 torpedo boats, plus 40 submarines (based in the Sea of Marmara)

Southern TVD (Russian command)(directs operations in Italy and Balkans)
Italian front
2 German 5 point Alpine units (Brenner Pass, 2 hexes southwest of Munich),
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps (1 hex northwest of Trieste)
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit (Trieste)
1 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 Yugoslav 5 point infantry corps (Pola)
1 Russian HQ, 2 Russian 6 point mechanized corps (hex east of Trieste)

Yugoslav home forces:
2 Yugoslav 5 point Alpine Corps (Greek border), 2 Yugoslav 4 point infantry corps, 1 HQ (Sarajevo) Yugoslav fleet 1 light ship (Zara), 2 Yugoslav 5 point infantry corps (Belgrade)

LTA Forces

Mideast Command (defense of Suez Canal and approaches) (British commander)
Egypt Garrison command
British 7 point motorized infantry corps (Suez), British 7 point motorized infantry corps (Port Said), British 8 point motorized infantry corps (Alexandria)

Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet (Alexandria)
Light cruisers Chatham, Dublin, Southhampton, Birmingham, Lowestoft, Adelaide, Nottingham, Caroline, 20 destroyers, 20 fleet submarines

Italian Command (defense of Italy and approaches) (Italian commander)
Italian Adriatic Force
Light Cruisers Pisa, Arnalfi, 10 destroyers, 50 submarines

Italian Battle Fleet
Battleships Conte Di Cavour, Giulio Caseare, Carrier Vittorio Emanuele, Light cruisers Basilicata, Campania, Quarto, Nino Bixio, Marsala,, 20 destroyers

US 6th Fleet (Tangiers)
Light cruisers Houston, San Diego, Brooklyn, Boston, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, 20 destroyers

Allied 2nd Army Group
1 UK HQ, 2 British 8 point armored cavalry (moved to India), 1 Colombian fighter unit (Milan), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps (hex west of Trieste), 2 US 6 point mechanized corps (sent to France), 2 US 7 point mechanized corps, 1 US HQ, 2 US fighters (Florence), 1 Italian HQ, 2 Italian fighters (Turin), 1 US 6 point mechanized corps (La Spezia), , 2 Italian 6 point motorized infantry corps,1 Italian HQ, 1 Italian bomber (Leghorn), 1 Italian 5 point garrison unit (Tripoli, Libya). 2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (sent to France)

Atlantic Command (HQ Belfast) (directs Allied naval forces in Atlantic and North Sea_
British Home Fleet (Scapa Flow)
7 battleships (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood, Nelson, Rodney, Barham, Malaya), 5 heavy cruisers (Kent, Suffolk, Berwick, Cornwall, Cumberland), 13 Light cruisers, 40 destroyers, 60 submarines

Western Approaches Fleet (Belfast, Liverpool and Iceland)
30 Canadian destroyers, 17 Canadian corvettes, 50 British destroyers, 184 British corvettes,

5th Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Alabama heavy cruisers Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem 5 light cruisers (Brooklyn class, attack 1, protection 1 speed 7 range 6) Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise, 40 destroyers,

2nd Fleet (Norfolk)
battleships New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania , 20 destroyers

10th Fleet (Escort force Atlantic)
76 destroyers, 220 subchasers + 120 US subchasers in Caribbean, Atlantic coast and Gulf of Mexico plus 1 US naval air unit

US Home Forces
None at this time, more under construction

Colombian home forces
1 battlecruiser, 4 heavy cruisers, 20 destroyers, 4 submarines
1 Alpine corps, 1 mechanized corps, 2 infantry corps, 1 fighter unit

Ecuador home forces
2 infantry corps

Bolivia Home forces
2 infantry corps

adjusted for current casualties, movement and a typo fixed

OOC: GB, just curious, but exactly which fleet IS in front of Canton? You've stated its the 3rd fleet multiple times but you also said the fleet had carriers, but according to your forces post the 3rd has no carriers. Now you recently edited the 3rd to be the 5th in the force count post just above this post but that leaves you with two 5th fleets now, the one that was originally the 3rd that you edited in Norfolk and the one in Manila.

So what fleet is in front of Canton?

German Home Forces are missing, including the 7 Infantry they finished in Mar/Apr, and the Union's annexation of Hungary should have gone through by now.

Oh yeah, and we still have forces on the Western Front - though they'll be withdrawn, and India's not up there.

Western India Front
Allied Forces
1 Indian 6 point infantry corps (Multan),
1 Indian 6 point infantry corps Infantry (Lahore),
1 HQ (used), 1 Indian 6 point infantry corps, 1 Indian 7 point infantry corps (desert hex between Lahore and Delhi)
1 Indian 5 point garrison, 1 Indian 7 point infantry corps, 1 Indian fighter unit, (Delhi)
1 South African 5 point infantry corps, (adjacacent to Bombay on south side of river)
1 UK 5 point garrison unit, 1 Indian 7 point motorized infantry corps (disorganized after move from Singapore), 1 UK HQ (disorganized after move from Italy) (Bombay)
1 UK 7 point motorized infantry corps (disorganized after move from Singapore)(Madras)
2 UK 7 point armored cavalry corps (disorganized after move from Italy)(Mangalore)
1 Indian 7 point mechanized corps and 1 Indian 6 point mechanized corps (Dacca)
1 Canadian 8 point amphibious unit and 1 Australian 8 point amphibious unit (at sea)

Royal Navy Force H (Bay of Bengal)
Carriers Furious, Glorious, Courageous (50 aircraft each), battle cruiser Renown, Light cruisers Cassandra, Calcutta, Cairo, Colombo, Danae, Dauntless, Delhi, Despatch, Diomede, Dublin, plus 20 destroyers
Plus 1 Australian amphibious unit, 1 Canadian amphibious unit

Royal Navy Eastern Fleet (Colombo)
Light Cruisers Natal (RSAN), Durban (RSAN), Capetown (RSAN), Pretoria (RSAN), 10 RSAN destroyers

Pact Forces
South Asia TVD (Russian command)
, 1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber units (disorganized) (Kabul)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber unit (Hyderabad)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (hex west of Rawalpindi)
1 Russian HQ and 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex southeast of Multan)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (Jaipur)
1 Russian 5 point Alpine corps (hex east of Rawalpindi)
1 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Lahore)
2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (hex west of Multan)
2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps (Karachi)
1 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (disorganized) (Rawalpindi)
2 Russian 5 point infantry corps (Samarkand)

current positions, the Russians have lost 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps and have used their bombers in Kabul. The fighter there cannot reach Delhi due to range and will have to stage forward next available move (and will).

The Australian cavalry corps and an Indian 6 point infantry corps have also been eliminated.

The French defenders of Paris march into captivity singing the Marseillaise (http://marseillaise.org/audio/marseillaise.au), accompanied by a defiant brass band. A French news photographer, as well as a French News reel, capture the band on film.

Prime Minister Blume, accompanied by key members of his cabinet meets with General Ligget and tells him that France is prepared to capitulate to the Allies and asks when the surrender ceremony willtake place. He is close to tears as he leaves. [OOC: I presume he is under house arrest at this point].

In the meanwhile General De Gaulle leads his corps into Germany, swearing to continue the fight until France is liberated. Minister Delbos makes a broadcast from Berlin telling the French people that he will form a French government-in-exile and that he will not rest until Paris is liberated and the invaders driven from French soil. He aks that Frenchmen wishing to continue the fight come to Germany to be equipped and trained.

OOC: GB, just curious, but exactly which fleet IS in front of Canton? You've stated its the 3rd fleet multiple times but you also said the fleet had carriers, but according to your forces post the 3rd has no carriers. Now you recently edited the 3rd to be the 5th in the force count post just above this post but that leaves you with two 5th fleets now, the one that was originally the 3rd that you edited in Norfolk and the one in Manila.

So what fleet is in front of Canton?

3rd is steaming in the South China Sea, the 5th based in Norfolk sent elements out to destroy German cruisers in the Atlantic

sorry for the confusion, however, the ships involved were clearly marked and based appropriately at the start of the turn.

I still need German Home Forces, and the Western Front.

I also need a clarification. If I'm building something that takes two turns, when does it become available for deployment or use? On the turn after I start building it, or the turn after that? And at the beginning or the end?

I'm asking because the Germans were building a mess of Infantry starting in January, and would've used it to defend France in March if they were able to.

German Home Forces are missing, including the 7 Infantry they finished in Mar/Apr, and the Union's annexation of Hungary should have gone through by now.

Oh yeah, and we still have forces on the Western Front - though they'll be withdrawn, and India's not up there.

The German home forces are included in the Western Front post now, as the front is moving to them. The infantry involved took part in the conquest of Burgundy and Belgium (and why it went off relatively fast)

Hungary is its own situation but will be posted as well.

The German home forces are included in the Western Front post now, as the front is moving to them. The infantry involved took part in the conquest of Burgundy and Belgium (and why it went off relatively fast)

Hungary is its own situation but will be posted as well.
Oh, right. Forgot. That was a gamble that backfired.

What about the railway siege guns and supply corps to India? I'll need those soon, I think.

I still need German Home Forces, and the Western Front.

I also need a clarification. If I'm building something that takes two turns, when does it become available for deployment or use? On the turn after I start building it, or the turn after that? And at the beginning or the end?

I'm asking because the Germans were building a mess of Infantry starting in January, and would've used it to defend France in March if they were able to.

infantry and fighters take 2 turns, and become available the on that second turn, so if started in January, become available in March.. see above on German forces

The French defenders of Paris march into captivity singing the Marseillaise (http://marseillaise.org/audio/marseillaise.au), accompanied by a defiant brass band. A French news photographer, as well as a French News reel, capture the band on film.

Prime Minister Blume, accompanied by key members of his cabinet meets with General Ligget and tells him that France is prepared to capitulate to the Allies and asks when the surrender ceremony willtake place. He is close to tears as he leaves. [OOC: I presume he is under house arrest at this point].

In the meanwhile General De Gaulle leads his corps into Germany, swearing to continue the fight until France is liberated. Minister Delbos makes a broadcast from Berlin telling the French people that he will form a French government-in-exile and that he will not rest until Paris is liberated and the invaders driven from French soil. He aks that Frenchmen wishing to continue the fight come to Germany to be equipped and trained.


ooc
chuckle, De Gaulle as a Socialist is somewhat amusing, although he is more of a patriot I suppose. I will assume his is the 7 point corps currently at Lille. For game purposes, it is considered shattered (as not all of his troops will join him, but other French troops will. The corps will return as an 8 point motorized infantry corps in any city in Germany. In addition, the Germans get a free French headquarters unit as well that starts with the motorized corps, and a French bomber unit). At the start of the Pact 2nd Phase, all French units are eliminated.

Its kind of too bad that the Russians took out Lille's industry (and sent it to Russia) at the start of the Pact 1st Phase (using 3 French rail moves to do it).

There are however German aircraft at Lille that are also shattered, they come back next turn in Germany as well.

IC
The US Army provides bands to play the "Marseiles" as well, as a sign of respect. The surrender ceremony will take place in at the ruins of the Eiffel Tower. US troops will not carry out a victory parade in the city. US medical corps troops and logistics troops, along with MPs will help provide order and help succor the civilians who were driven out of their homes by the fighting. A wreath is placed on Lafayettes tomb, out of respect and sorrow that relations between France and the United States came to this sad state of affairs.

...and the Union's annexation of Hungary should have gone through by now.


ooc:
Thats interesting considering the last time I checked I was suporting the Union's cause and using points that you (well technically the czech's) were sending me to build up my army which was in turn going to the front in support of your cause. Nothing like getting fucked up the ass for helping somebody....

ooc:
Thats interesting considering the last time I checked I was suporting the Union's cause and using points that you (well technically the czech's) were sending me to build up my army which was in turn going to the front in support of your cause. Nothing like getting fucked up the ass for helping somebody....
Check your TG's for the reasons.

Ottoman Times
Prime Minister Enver Paşa has resign his post as Prime Minister of the Ottoman Empire, He has been replace by Mustafa İsmet İnönü of Republican party(Kemelist faction). The New Prime Minister states that he would follew in Enver steps and will rebuild the nations arm forces to its glory days.

In Secrect
Ex Prime Minister Enver Paşa, along with Mehmed Talat Pasha and Ahmed Djemal take command of All Middle Eastern Volunteer Army made up of Ex Ottoman officers and soilders who are going to send to Russia to support the war efforts of the pact. Before doing this they all resigns their commissions in the Ottoman Army and Government, so just cutting all their links to the Ottoman Empire. They were made of Leftist Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Assyrians, Perisans and Armenians, in total 60,000 volunteer troops board trains to Russia and await their orders from Russian High Command on where they would be deployed.

ooc:
Thats interesting considering the last time I checked I was suporting the Union's cause and using points that you (well technically the czech's) were sending me to build up my army which was in turn going to the front in support of your cause. Nothing like getting fucked up the ass for helping somebody....

IC
"the ugly face of Socialism has raised its head as the true grasping nature of Russian and German desire to conquer the world becomes clear after Hungary, Burgundy and Belgium. More than before, it is clear that this war is to make the world save for democracy.""... excerpt from speech by President Cox to the American people in a radio address.

OOC
Russia has the best human intelligence gathering in the world at the moment Kordo, and they found out your plans. The Americans rely on code breaking and Hungary was not considered worth risking spilling the beans on that to warn you. The British are second place in both categories.

Periodically, I roll randomly to determine if someone has made an important intelligence breakthrough. Occasionally one occurs. I did this during the Great War on several occasions.

Ottoman Times
Prime Minister Enver Paşa has resign his post as Prime Minister of the Ottoman Empire, He has been replace by Mustafa İsmet İnönü of Republican party(Kemelist faction). The New Prime Minister states that he would follew in Enver steps and will rebuild the nations arm forces to its glory days.

In Secrect
Ex Prime Minister Enver Paşa, along with Mehmed Talat Pasha and Ahmed Djemal take command of All Middle Eastern Volunteer Army made up of Ex Ottoman officers and soilders who are going to send to Russia to support the war efforts of the pact. Before doing this they all resigns their commissions in the Ottoman Army and Government, so just cutting all their links to the Ottoman Empire. They were made of Leftist Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Assyrians, Perisans and Armenians, in total 60,000 volunteer troops board trains to Russia and await their orders from Russian High Command on where they would be deployed.

pick a corps, tell me which one it is, and it will show up in the Ukraine next turn. I would recommend that the Russians take a turn, spend a point, and upgrade it from its current strength to a higher (+2) strength. They will also have to attach engineer, combat support, and more artillery assets to it to make it able to stand up to Allied combat forces. (that cost is factored into that 1 point as well)

Or the Russians could do what the LTA does, and use weaker corps for security and garrison duties.

ooc: I'm glad we had the chance to discuss this before hand....

pick a corps, tell me which one it is, and it will show up in the Ukraine next turn. I would recommend that the Russians take a turn, spend a point, and upgrade it from its current strength to a higher (+2) strength. They will also have to attach engineer, combat support, and more artillery assets to it to make it able to stand up to Allied combat forces. (that cost is factored into that 1 point as well)

Or the Russians could do what the LTA does, and use weaker corps for security and garrison duties.
To answer to your question, GB, the corp that I am sending to Russia is going to be the one base in Tehran. That's the one I have pick for this mission.

ooc
IC
The US Army provides bands to play the "Marseiles" as well, as a sign of respect. The surrender ceremony will take place in at the ruins of the Eiffel Tower. US troops will not carry out a victory parade in the city. US medical corps troops and logistics troops, along with MPs will help provide order and help succor the civilians who were driven out of their homes by the fighting. A wreath is placed on Lafayettes tomb, out of respect and sorrow that relations between France and the United States came to this sad state of affairs.

Prime Minister Blume thanks the American commander for their courtesy and asks if he and his government will continue to run the country under the occupation.

The Marquis continues to organize and collects or steals weapons when it can.

Manfred Zeigbund Reichmann looked out the window. It was drizzling. A disgusting day for disgusting news. Paris had fallen, nearly without a fight, and the Government was surrendering. Reichmann swore. The bastard American was causing all this.

Suddenly, a man knocked on the door to his car.

"Major General, Lieutenant General Haus was killed in Paris. As senior officer, you are hereby awarded the appointment of Lieutenant General in the Red Army."

"Why... thank you...." He took the commission and stared at it.

"Good day and good luck!" The man departed.

"Schiesse."
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The train arrived in Saarbruck only 3 minutes behind schedule. Reichmann stepped out of the train, only to be cheered by a croud of Germans, prepared to die for the Revolution.

"Schiesse."

Several reporters stood nearby, hoping to get pictures or words from the valiant defender of the Worker's in the Hague. Reichmann had to say something.

"Revolutionaries! The Kapitalists... have breached the gates... of Paris, and though... though our friends val... val... valiantly fought," the words could not escape his mouth. He was afraid. Afraid of the impending doom. All that he had worked for, would be stamped on by a bastard Anglo. The same Anglos who had betrayed them in the Imperialist War.

He sighed and continued, "Soldiers, I can not give you valiant words. I am but a man, and there is an army of men on their way. I could say how the Teutonic race will defeat them, but all of us know that is impossible. Nay, I am afraid to..." He was forced to raise his voice some. "SAY THAT..." He was almost screaming now. "WE Are doomed..." His last words were droned out.

The croud had broken into a chorus of Deutchland Uber Alles (http://eri.ca/refer/deutschl.MP3):

"Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt!
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt!

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten schönen Klang,
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern
Unser ganzes Leben lang.
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang!
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang!

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland.
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland."

When it ended the whole station was cheering. Hats flew in the air and a few men discharged their cartreges. Reichmann wiped a tear from his face.

"GERMAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS! We are here, on the eve of battle, to celebrate all that is good about being German. Forget ties of communism to your French, Spanish and Brazilian brothers. They are lost for now, and unless you fight like the warriors of old, they will be lost forever!"

"Nay! We must make a stand, here, on these fields of Burgundy, to say to the vile invader,

'You are an animal, and you will be slain like one. You come, not for liberty, not for peace, but for wealth. You come to enslave every Frenchman, Spaniard, Brazilian, German, Russian, Slav and Chinaman and turn them into your plantation worker. You come to push us away from our ancestral homes, and replace us with ugly, uncultured savages. You come to destroy our monuments, deficate on our texts, defile our music, rape our women, brainwash our children and spit in our faces. You seek to humiliate us, and tarnish our souls. But nay, you demon, you will be crushed beneath the heal of the power of our unity. Though you defeat our governments, our people will never accept you. Though you bring us flowers, and play our anthems, we will forever fight you. Though you promise peace, only to stab us at your first chance of gain, we will wipe you off the face of the earth and send you to whatever god you please.'

"Thus, I say to every Teuton out there: for the sake of what we have gained in the past decade, all the freedoms and rights, all the joys and love, all the spirit and soul, fight. Fight them like madmen. Slay the savages, like you slew the pagan Prussians and the evil Saracens in times of yore. Fight them like the huns who crushed the corrupt Roman Empire beneath the sword of Mars. You, my comrades, are my Sword of Mars and I am the Scourge of Amerika!"

Next week, I'll only be able to be online during the evenings. I would like to retain full command, but if it turns out that I can't keep up, I'll appoint a lieutenant to make daily, quick decisions, while I retain strategic control of all Pact forces.

The Chinese Emperor, Guozu, stared at the piece of paper in front of him. He scanned the hundreds of different calligraphs, symbols, and glyphics on the sheet of paper and muttered to himself.

"This must be done. The Pact assures me that this course of action is necessary to hinder potential enemy invasion of mainland China. The solution lies within Canton."

His gaze swept across the sheet or orders which read...

Orders (Revised as per Pact advisors)

1. Launch all Chinese aircraft into the airpsace around Canton, and then lure the US fighters towards the Chinese air force.

2. The Chinese fighters were to engage the American carrier based fighters, which should provide enough distraction for the Chinese bomber and maritime bombers to slip around the fighter combat zone and attack the two American carriers.

3. Any surviving planes (from this "Do or die" mission) are to dump the rest of their ordiance upon the remaining US battleships. Once that is completed, the planes are to return to base in Canton for refuels, repairs, re-arming, and the like.

4. The two remaining battleshps are to be moved to as swallow water as possible so that if the LTA manages to sink the battleships, they can be salvaged and rebuilt as in the case of real life Pearl Harbor.

China must sink these American carriers as this is a golden opporunity to delay or invalidate an American invasion of Chians for just enough period of time to have myt 5 new garrison corps be completed next turn which brings my garrion totals per major city to 2 garrisons per hex, the maxium that cab be stacked.

The Emperor shook his head sadly. China was forced into the war aganist its own volition, yet it may end up paying the ultimate price. Although the risk is great, the rewards are also great, for it is in the power of risk-taking that guanatrees surprising or unexpected victories or defeats.

The orders were issued forth regarding the Chinese air force, which might herald China's salvation, or its damnation to the fires of Hell..

Allied phase two India
The Indians continue their careful pull back from the Indus Valley, abandoning Lahore and pulling back to Multan, while also shifting to cover Agra. The Indians choose not to attack, as although they have 2:1 odds against the Russians at Jaipor, it’s too risky and would very likely prevent further movement this turn as the Indians would be disorganized.

Pact phase three India
Russian forces take Rawalpindi, which has been abandoned, and shift forces forward to attack Multan again. Once again Russian bombers attack, this time from Hyderabad, and again disorganize an Indian 6 point infantry corps. This time the Russians have 30 points of ground strength versus 12 points of Indian forces (doubled for major city to 24 points), giving the Russians 1:1. Although risky, the Russians choose to attack anyway, confident that additional forces can be brought in by rail now that a secure rail link has been established from Russia to the Indian railroads. The Russians get a 7 which becomes an 8, destroying 1 Russian and 1 Indian corps and all of the attacking Russian forces are left disorganized. (The Indians choose to lose the disorganized corps once again). The Russians chose to lose a unit in Lahore.

The Russians then use 3 of their 11 strategic moves to shift 2 Infantry 7 point corps from Siberia to Kabul, along with a theater supply unit from Moscow. (all three are disorganized for the remainder of the turn). 2 more strategic moves are used to shift 2 Russian 5 point infantry corps from Samarkand to Rawalpindi and Peshwar (both are also disorganized).

Allied phase three India
The Indians continue to shift forces, and the ruins of Multan are finally abandoned as the last Indian corps pulls out to the east. India uses its 2 strategic moves to shift the 2 mechanized corps from Dacca to Lucknow.

Turn ends
With another Indian and Russian corps destroyed (100,000 losses each)

Allied phase two Far East
The US Navy elects to continue to patrol off the Chinese coast in hopes that the Chinese fleet will leave Taiwan. However that doesn’t happen. But by its very presence, along with the sizeable US fleet and army in the Philippines, it keeps Chinese forces fixed to the coast to guard against invasion.

Chinese and Allied phase three Far East
No further action until the end of Allied Phase three, when the Americans strategically move their amphibious unit from the Philippines to California. In addition, the Australian and Canadian amphibious corps also leave the Far East and are strategically redeployed (2 UK moves) to Barcelona (Spain). Force H also leaves the Indian Ocean and steams to Barcelona.

Forces at the end of the turn
Western India Front
Allied Forces
2 Indian 6 point infantry corps, (desert hex between Lahore and Delhi)
2 Indian 7 point infantry corps (Agra)
1 HQ (used) 1 Indian 5 point garrison, 1 Indian 6 point infantry corps, 1 Indian fighter unit, (Delhi)
1 South African 5 point infantry corps, (adjacacent to Bombay on south side of river)
1 UK 5 point garrison unit, 1 Indian 7 point motorized infantry corps (disorganized after move from Singapore), 1 UK HQ (disorganized after move from Italy) (Bombay)
1 UK 7 point motorized infantry corps (disorganized after move from Singapore)(Madras)
2 UK 7 point armored cavalry corps (disorganized after move from Italy)(Mangalore)
1 Indian 7 point mechanized corps and 1 Indian 6 point mechanized corps (Dacca)
1 Canadian 8 point amphibious unit and 1 Australian 8 point amphibious unit (at sea)

Royal Navy Force H (Bay of Bengal)
Carriers Furious, Glorious, Courageous (50 aircraft each), battle cruiser Renown, Light cruisers Cassandra, Calcutta, Cairo, Colombo, Danae, Dauntless, Delhi, Despatch, Diomede, Dublin, plus 20 destroyers
Plus 1 Australian amphibious unit, 1 Canadian amphibious unit (departed theater of operations)

Royal Navy Eastern Fleet (Colombo)
Light Cruisers Natal (RSAN), Durban (RSAN), Capetown (RSAN), Pretoria (RSAN), 10 RSAN destroyers

US ComSubPac
70 S class boats, 14 submarine tenders (Philippines)

US 7th Fleet (Manila Bay)
Carriers William McKinley, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln (60 aircraft each) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, Tennessee, Light cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan, San Diego, Colombia, Minneapolis, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, Australian light cruisers Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, 5 Anzac destroyes, 55 US destroyers

plus 1 USMC 10 point amphibious unit (left theater)

US 3rd Fleet (Manila Bay)
Aircraft Carriers: Lexington, Saratoga (100 aircraft each), heavy cruisers: Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Light cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, plus 30 destroyers

US 9th Fleet (Tahiti)
5 gunboats, 20 misc Coast Guard cutters and patrol boats

Philippine Islands Garrison
1 Philippine Army 5 point garrison unit in a fortification (Corrigedor), 1 US Army 6 point infantry corps (left theater) 1 Philippine Air Force fighter unit, 1 US Naval air unit

Australia
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps (Sydney)

New Zealand (Wellington)
1 ANZAC 7 point infantry corps

Malaya
1 Indian 5 point garrison in a fortification (Singapore),


Pact Forces
South Asia TVD (Russian command)
1 theater supply unit (disorganized), 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (disorganized)
1 Russian 5 point infantry corps (disorganized)(Peshwar)
1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber units (disorganized) (Kabul)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps, 1 Russian fighter unit, 3 Russian bomber unit (disorganized) (Hyderabad)
2 Russian 7 point infantry corps (disorganized) (hex west of Lahore)
1 Russian HQ (used)and 2 Russian 6 point infantry corps (disorganized)(hex southeast of Multan)
2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (Jaipur)
1 Russian 5 point Alpine corps (2 hexes east of Lahorei)
1 Russian 6 point infantry corps (disorganized) (Lahore)
1 Russian 6 point infantry corps (disorganized) (hex west of Multan)
2 Russian 4 point cavalry corps (Karachi)
1 Russian 5 point infantry corps, 1 Russian 3 point cavalry corps (disorganized) (Rawalpindi)

Pact and Major Neutral Forces
Siberian Strategic Direction (TVD)(Russian command)
HQ Chita
Siberian Front
1 x 8 point Garrison,1 x 7 point infantry corps, 4 Russian 7 point Infantry corps within two hexes of Khabarovsk (sent to Germany) .

Currently in Siberia the Japanese control Vladivostok, Konstantinovsk, Magadan, and Petropovlovsk and a few minor outposts between Kamchatka and Magadan. The Japanese are iced in for the winter at this time, and have 1 HQ, 5 x 6 point infantry corps and 2 x 7 point infantry corps in Siberia (the bulk of their army) withdrawn to Japan during March and AprilAn armistice is in effect between the Russians and Japanese and Japan has officially declared itself neutral, withdrawn from the LTA and pulled out of the war.

Chinese Home Forces Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
Interned in Taiwan: 20 heavy cruisers, 60 large destroyers, 240 torpedo boats
In drydock (Canton): 2 battleships
3 Chinese 6 point garrisons (Canton, Shanghai, Mukden),
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Mukden)
2 Chinese 6 point infantry corps (Port Arthur)
1 fighter, 1 bomber, 1 naval air (Canton)
1 Chinese 5 point garrison (Tsingtao)

additional forces are under construction

Southeast Asia Theater of Operations (Chinese command)
2 Chinese 5 point infantry corps (border hex between Kunming and Burmese border)

OOC: correct me if i'm wrong, but i already moved 4 corps and 1 HQ out of siberia i thought

OOC: correct me if i'm wrong, but i already moved 4 corps and 1 HQ out of siberia i thought

that took place this turn.. I need to check for corrections, and one of those corrections is removing all of the Japanese forces, which took three phases to get completely out of Siberia

Pact Phase 2 Western Front
The French surrender, and all French units are eliminated immediately and all French territory becomes Allied territory as the Pact has no non French ground units in France at this time. This also shatters 1 German fighter unit and 2 German bomber units that were disorganized and in French territory (they come back next turn in Germany).

Pact High Command orders Pact armies to establish as strong a line as possible running using the Maas River down to Metz, and to defend Metz and the approaches to the Rhine in the south. Pact engineers also sink numerous vessels in Antwerp harbor and blow every bridge that they can in Belgium. The Russians also use 4 of their strategic moves to shift 4 infantry corps in Siberia to Germany. Using 2 German HQs, the newly arrived Russian units and the surviving air units that escaped from France are reorganized.

New Pact positions: Maas Defense Line
frontline
1 hex east of Antwerp: 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps
Liege: 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps
Aachen: 2 German 8 point infantry corps
Hex east of Belgian fist: 2 German 8 point infantry corps
Metz: 2 German 8 point infantry corps
Hex southeast of Metz: 2 Czech 6 point mechanized corps
Rhine River line (on Swiss border): 1 German 5 point Alpine corps

reserve
Cologne: 1 German HQ (used), 1 Czech 5 point mechanized corps, 1 German 7 point infantry corps
Karlsruhe: 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps
Saarbrucken: 1 German HQ (used), 2 Russian 7 point infantry corps
Dusseldorf: 1 German HQ, 2 Russian 3 point cavalry corps
Stuttgart: 1 German bomber, 1 German naval air unit
Bremen: 1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit
Kiel: 1 German 5 point infantry corps, 1 German 3 point flak unit
Hamburg: 1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery, 1 German HQ, 1 German fighter unit,
Munich: 1 German 3 point flak unit, 1 German 5 point Alpine Corps, 1 German HQ
Berlin: 2 German 4 point paratrooper corps, 2 German air transport units, 1 German fighter

in addition, on May 1, the Pact gets 1 German 7 point infantry corps, 1 German fighter unit, 2 German bomber units, 1 French HQ, 1 French 8 point mechanized corps, 1 French bomber unit. These units were shattered and reform in German cities at the start of the May turn.

Allied Phase 3
Allied forces overrun northern France and liberate Belgium west of the Maas River, including Brussels. Occupation forces are also shifted around so that 600,000 Allied troops remain in Spain and 800,000 Allied troops are ensuring order is maintained in France. The local civilian authorities are allowed to run things at the local level, except in Paris where severe damage requires Allied military government.

New LTA positions:
Frontline
15th Army Group
Antwerp: 2 US 8 point mechanized corps
Brussels: 2 US 9 point mechanized corps
Belgian Resource hex: 2 US 8 point armored cavalry corps
Belgian fist hex: 2 US 8 point mechanized corps
21st Army Group
hex west of Metz: 2 UK 9 point mechanized corps
hex southwest of Metz: 1 UK 8 point mechanized corps, 1 South African 7 point mechanized corps
mountain hex adjacent to Bern: 2 US 5 point Alpine corps

reserve
Boulogne: 1 US HQ (used), 2 US 10 point armored cavalry corps
Lille: 1 US HQ (used), 1 US 9 point armored corps, 1 US 10 point armored corps
Calais: 2 US 9 point mechanized corps
Rouen: 3 US fighters (used), 1 US bomber (used), 1 US 7 point mechanized corps
Cherbourg: 1 Canadian HQ (used)
Wooded hex southeast of Paris: 1 UK HQ (used),
Paris: 1 UK HQ (used), 1 US 6 point mechanized corps, 1 US 7 point mechanized corps, 2 UK fighters (used), 2 UK bombers (used),
Lyon: 1 US 6 point mechanized corps, 1 Italian bomber (used)

LTA Occupation Forces and Strategic reserve
1 US 11 point motorized infantry corps (Lisbon, reserve)
2 UK 8 point motorized infantry corps (Bordeaux, reserve),
1 UK 7 point motorized corps (Brest, reserve)

1 Morrocan 5 point Alpine corps (Toulouse, occupation),
2 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Vichy, occupation)
1 UK 5 point garrison unit (Cherbourg)
1 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Marseilles, occupation),
1 Italian 4 point infantry corps (Brest, occupation)
1 UK 7 point infantry corps (La Rochelle, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Bayonne, occupation)

1 US 7 point mechanized corps (Saragossa, occupation)
1 Moroccan 3 point cavalry corps (Seville, occupation),
1 Moroccan 5 point infantry corps (Cartegena, occupation),
1 Latin American 3 point infantry corps (Cadiz, occupation),
1 Portuguese 5 point motorized infantry corps (Vigo, occupation),
1 Portuguese 4 point infantry corps (Cadiz),

British Home forces (HQ London, defense of UK and support Northwest Theater of Operations)
2 Colombian fighter units (used), 1 UK bomber unit, (fortified Dover),

Pact Phase Three
The Pact decides to remain in their defensive positions

Italian Front
The front remains quiet as neither is willing to risk an offensive. The Allies don’t want to have to batter their way through the mountains unless they have to, and the Pact is well aware that the Allies a easily defended river line to their rear, and strong reserves that makes an offensive too risky for now as well.

TURN ENDS
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ooc
Today and tonight I will look over everything and make sure that I have an accurate picture of what is going on everywhere. It would be helpful you you have any builds you want to post that you did so as soon as you can in the economics thread.

The next three turns (May/June, July/August and Sept/Oct) are going to be messy.

France and Spain, by the way, are thoroughly occupied. Over 2 million French soldiers and sailors are POWs, as are around 100,000 Spanish soldiers. In addition, 300,000 German soldiers and sailors are also POWs as are about 100,000 Russians (excluding the ones the Japanese captured who are presumably released after their armistice was signed). The Indians also have 250,000 Chinese POWs and 100,000 Russian prisoners.

The Pact holds about 100,000 Indian, 25,000 British and 30,000 American POWs, plus 400,000 Italian, 150,000 Burgundian and 350,000 Belgian POWs. Plus a smattering of other nationalities as well (about 40,000 total of the others).

Treatment, unless otherwise specifically indicated, is under the terms of the Geneva Convention.

Allied propaganda and indoctrination efforts
The Allies have shipped their POWs out of Europe and India to North American prisoner of war camps, where many of them find themselves carrying out productive labor that remains within that bounds of that convention (no war industry work, but plenty of farm labor, forestry etc). They also get English classes, classes on American and Canadian history, classes in their own history from a North American perspective, an economics class, and useful classes for the trades or industrial work as well as advanced math and writing classes(if desired). Illiterate soldiers are taught literacy in their own language first, along with basic math.

Hard core prisoners who resist these efforts are seperated from the other prisoners and sent to their own camps. There they do not have access to any of these classes. (basically they are left to be bored and given enough work to keep them occupied but nothing intellectually challenging).

The North Americans are using the natural boredom of POW life, along with the fact that nearly everyone has at least some idea of what they think America is like to their advantage in their reeducation program.

ooc
modeled after the very real effort by the US and Canada to do this very thing during World War II.. it was amazingly successful.

IC
The US government increasingly gets Hollywood involved in the war. Training films are immediately ordered and increasingly US camera crews are right on the firing lines. Documentaries are released showing the war news to the civilian market, and a "Why We Fight" series is released every couple of months showcasing the latest Socialist outrages. The Socialist invasions of neutral Burgundy and Belgium are the latest to hit the screens, but previous news reels have focused on the Invasion of Italy by the Socialists and the submarine campaign against Merchant Shipping.

Every effort is made to keep the information told as truthful as possible, as the American filmmakers involved feel that accuracy and truth are the most effective propaganda of all.

In addition to showing in LTA movie houses, these films are also released in Spain, France and neutral countries along with popular Hollywood movies.

A special effort is also made for India, using Indian actors, to potray notable invasions of India including the savage invasions of Timurlane, a Central Asian Turk who killed millions in his savage attacks against India in the 15th Century. A big budget movie with a cast of thousands is privately underwritten by the US government and is shot in southern India with the help of American and British filmmakers (also getting Bollywood started a generation early). It is released throughout the country.

OOC: Yeah, because we're SO evil that we indoctrinate our people and commit the same atrocities as the Nazis. Besides, what happened to our propaganda campaigns in India and Italy?

The Maquis begins active resistance against the US, British, and Italian occupiers. Most of their operations are in the countryside, where they ambush suppy routes, blow up railways, cut telegraph lines, and generally cause trouble for the occupying armies. Most of their efforts are directed towards the British and the Italians. They avoid major cities.

Active resistance begins in Spain by the FLE. They follow the example of the Marqui and cause rucuss in the country side and supply lines.

Allied propaganda and indoctrination efforts
The Allies have shipped their POWs out of Europe and India to North American prisoner of war camps, where many of them find themselves carrying out productive labor that remains within that bounds of that convention (no war industry work, but plenty of farm labor, forestry etc). They also get English classes, classes on American and Canadian history, classes in their own history from a North American perspective, an economics class, and useful classes for the trades or industrial work as well as advanced math and writing classes(if desired). Illiterate soldiers are taught literacy in their own language first, along with basic math.

Hard core prisoners who resist these efforts are seperated from the other prisoners and sent to their own camps. There they do not have access to any of these classes. (basically they are left to be bored and given enough work to keep them occupied but nothing intellectually challenging).

The North Americans are using the natural boredom of POW life, along with the fact that nearly everyone has at least some idea of what they think America is like to their advantage in their reeducation program.

ooc
modeled after the very real effort by the US and Canada to do this very thing during World War II.. it was amazingly successful.

I hope you're not expecting this to work. I can't speak for Germany (he says he's a democracy, but has never provided any specific details about German politics, has never held an election as far as I know, and uses the same invented character, Reichmann, all the time - yes, Parth, I'm sick of Reichmann, though it wasn't a bad speech), but the political and civil freedoms in the United States are not any better than they are in France or the Union, and in some ways (and places) are actually worse. The main difference is economic freedom, which the Red Army, at least, has always been taught is no true freedom at all, but merely a license for predation. To a krasnoarmeyets, legalizing free enterprise would be seen as the equivalent of legalizing rape. That's what their political officers (the equivalent of chaplains, with no spy function) have been telling them for over a decade. Kirov, by the way, will work as an organizer among the prisoners, keeping up morale and loyalty to socialism and the Union. Most of them have already taken classes like those in the Red Army, by the way - modelled on Soviet policies towards workers and soldiers during the Five Year Plans.

France is just like the United States as a government - the Socialists are simply the party in power, so I don't see a lot of potential traction there, either. Especially since the Americans have just invaded and subjugated their country (imagine if the reverse had happened, for instance - I doubt the French would make much headway).

Stockholm Syndrome is really the only possibility I see here for getting American propaganda across to POWs.

IC
Premier Kuusinen, in a speech before a combined session of the Union and German legislatures, condemns the Americans' "kidnapping and forced labor" as "unspeakable acts of dishonorable barbarity," likening to the slave-raids on Africa which the Americans engaged in until forced to give them up a mere sixty years ago [OoC: Not entirely historically accurate, but not much of an exaggeration, either].

"We see the enemy as he is," he says in his chief applause line, "forcing good men to serve him on the plantations once more. This is the fate of the world if we are not victorious."

Since the Pact has much fewer prisoners, there is little economic benefit to forcing them to work.

OoC: I'd assumed we've been attempting indoctrination of POWs from the very beginning. It's what Commies do, after all. And the War Mod is well aware of the propaganda campaigns in India and Italy. Italy is probably hopeless after what we did to it, but India is another matter . . .

In any event, the German film industry was the only European rival to Hollywood at this time (indeed the only rival anywhere in the world). I assume again, as Commies, we'd be pretty practiced at propaganda. But we'll intensify it, if necessary. Also sticking to the truth. Both sides have a lot about them to criticize, after all, so there's little need to make up stuff.

Major Change

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Economic resources available per turn
LTA nations
USA 40 (in other words, 240 a year) +1 a turn from Central America+2 a turn from Spain (used in Spain)
UK 20 (includes resources from British Empire)
Canada 3
South Africa 4
India 2
Australia 4
Colombia 3 +2 a turn from Latin America & Ecuador
Italy 10 (minus 2 points each for Venice, Milan, Genoa, Naples, 1 point each for Corsica, Sicily) (Venice is under Russian control who have allocated the points to Yugoslavia)
Ecuador 0 (its points going to Colombia)
Argentina 4
Chile 3
Portugal 1+1
Latin America (The Central American nations 5 points, but 1 a turn goes to USA and 1 a turn to Colombia)

Pact nations
China 13 (3 for Shanghai, 3 for Canton, 2 for Mukden, 1 each Peking, Tsingtao, Changsa, Lanchow, 1 from Vietnam)
Hungary 2
Germany 20 (2 from Sweden, 1 from Netherlands, 1 from Denmark, 2 from Essen, 2 from Dusseldorf, 3 from Berlin, 1 from Poznan, 2 from Konigsburg, 2 from Vienna, 1 each Hamburg, Dresden, Munich, Hannover) + 1 from Saarbruchen
Russia 26 +2 a turn from Rumania, plus the Czech production as well) +2 in July from factories taken from Lille (France)
Czechslovakia 3
Yugoslavia 5+2

France 12 (minus 2 points each Paris, Lille, Marseilles, Nantes, Toulouse, Brest), Brest and Nantes have been destroyed and will have to be rebuilt or repaired by the owner, which is currently the UK, Paris has been wrecked, and will require repairs. The Russians moved the factories in Toulouse, Marseilles and Lille to Russia, and they will have to be repaired)

Spain 4 (minus 2 points Madrid, 1 point each Bilbao, Valencia), Bilbao and Valencia have been occupied and their points go to US, who will use them in Spain

Other nations
Japan 10
Burma 1 (has to be repaired)
Malay 2 (goes to UK and already included)
Dutch East Indies 2 (1 point each to India and Japan and are already included)
Korea 2
Netherlands 3
Belgium 4
Burgundy 4
Norway 2
Sweden 4 (plus 2 a turn going to Germany)
Ottoman Empire 4 (plus 1 a turn going to Germany, 1 a turn going to British which are already included in their totals)
Bulgaria 2
Greece 1
Brazil 3

MAJOR CHANGE... the war is approaching the end of its second year, and the warring nations are getting better at building some units (and some are getting better than others. For example the US build a merchant ship once in 24 hours during World War II, and usually built them in about a week). A number of unit types just got cheaper, and yes that means if you have spent 2 points under the old system for a garrison unit, you finish it earlier and under budget.

Costs of Units / turns (each turn is 2 months)

Light surface ships (5 cruisers or 20 destroyers or 50 smaller vessels) 1 / turn for 8 turns
Submarines (represents 20 submarines) 1 / turn for 6 turns
Capital ships (2 battleships or battlecruisers) 1 / turn for 12 turns (10 turns for US, UK, Germany)
Carriers (2 carriers or 4 smaller carriers or 10 escort type carriers, includes their airgroups) 1 / turn for 12 turns (10 turns for US, UK, Germany)
Merchant shipping / amphibious shipping (500,000 tons) 1 / turn for 5 turns (3 turns for US)
Repair damaged warships (includes carriers) 1 / turn for 2 turns (1 turn US)

artificial ports 4 points / 3 turns, no attack, defense 1, move 0, can only move by sea movement (must be carried by transport), acts as a minor port or makes a minor port into a major port


Fighter (represents 500 aircraft) 1 / turn for 2 turns
Bombers (represents 250 -500 aircraft) 1 / turn for 4 turns (3 turns US, UK)
Maritime bombers & fighters (1,000 aircraft) 1 / turn for 4 turns (3 turns for US, Japan, UK)
Transport aircraft (US, Germany, UK, France, Russia only) 1 / turn for 5 turns (4 turns US, UK)

militia corps 1 / turn for 1 turn (maximun of 1 per production point)

Garrison troops (doesn’t include fortifications) 1 / turn for 2 turns

Infantry corps (represents 2 –10 divisions depending on quality of army) 1 / turn for 2 turns

armored corps (represents a special assault tank unit) 1 / turn 5 turns

motorized corps (represents 3 divisions) 1 / turn for 3 turns (2 turns US)

mechanized corps (represents 3 divisions) 1 / turn for 4 turns (3 turns US)

armored cavalry corps (represents 3 divisions) 1 / turn 5 turns (4 turns US, Russia)

Horse cavalry corps 1 / turn for 2 turns (1 turn Russia)

Alpine corps 1 / turn for 3 turns

Amphibious troops (marines and assault craft) 1 / turn for 6 turns (5 turns US, Japan, UK)

Headquarters units (allows reorganized of disorganized units) 1 / turn for 6 turns

Upgrading a corps from infantry to motorized, motorized to mechanized 1 / turn for each level of upgrade. Corps cannot enter combat while being upgraded

anti tank units 2 points / 2 turns attack strength 1 defense strength 3 (doubled against armored, armored cavalry and mechanized), move 3

Katyusha / Multiple Rocket launcher units 2 points / 2 turns attack strength 3 (doubled against infantry and horse cavalry in clear terrain not in a fortification) defense strength 1, move 3

Flak artillery 2 points / 2 turns, attack strength 1, defense strength 3 (doubled against aircraft)

Railroad artillery 3 points / 3 turns. Attack 5 Defense 1, can only be moved by strategic movement. Railroad artillery Attack is doubled against fortifications and cities.

Field artillery 3 points / 3 turns. Attack 3, defense 3, move 3.

Coast artillery 3 points / 3 turns. Attack 0 Defense 5, can only be moved by strategic movement. Has a defense strength of 1 if attacked by ground combat forces attacking from land. The 5 points of defense are for amphibious landings only.

Fortifications 1 / turn for 2 turns (1 turn Russia)

Theater supply units 2 points / 2 turns, no attack, defense 1, move 4, extends supply range

Factories (economic development, increases resource points available) 2 / turn for 6 turns

Repair a production center -- 6 points (1 point per turn). So if you captured Milan for example, you must spend 6 points and it takes 6 turns to get that production area back in production. Unless specifically stated otherwise when it is captured, assume it is damaged and severely disrupted. For example, the Russians took Venice undamaged, so it can immediately be added to the Russia or Yugoslav or German production points.

Research projects -- special minimum 1 point, can be as many as 12 points, varies by country and type of research. There are tech level requirements. Referee approval required. Example is radar (12 points, takes a year, must be tech level 6)

useful research projects costing 12 points:

radar -- gives a +1 to the air combat strength of fighters, carrier aircraft and anti aircraft fire of ships is increased. The US and France are currently researching this, and once the project is completed, the technology can be passed on to allies (who get it 3 turns later). Transfer is allowed for all research projects but must be specified.

tactical voice radio-- gives a +1 to the combat strength of all ground units, and a +1 to the movement allowance of motorized, mechanized and armored cavalry units.

Improved chemistry -- allows the creations of nerve type gases. When used, considered an atrocity, however, doubles the attack strength of all units in an attack where it is used. However, all units involved in the attack are disorganized at the end of combat (warfare and movement is really, really slow under chemical warfare conditions, just ask anyone who has ever had to use MOPP gear).

Strategic bombing -- +1 to the strategic bombing strength of all bombers, and gives bombers that don't have a strategic bombing rating to get a rating of 1.

Torpedo research – gives a +1 to die roll for attacks made by light ships and submarines.

Napalm – doubles bombing factors against militia corps, infantry corps, horse cavalry corps, motorized infantry corps, artillery units, headquarters and theater supply units. In addition, for nations that have strategic bombing (in other words, bought the research, it doubles strategic bombing rating as well)

I IC
Premier Kuusinen, in a speech before a combined session of the Union and German legislatures, condemns the Americans' "kidnapping and forced labor" as "unspeakable acts of dishonorable barbarity," likening to the slave-raids on Africa which the Americans engaged in until forced to give them up a mere sixty years ago [OoC: Not entirely historically accurate, but not much of an exaggeration, either].

"We see the enemy as he is," he says in his chief applause line, "forcing good men to serve him on the plantations once more. This is the fate of the world if we are not victorious."

Since the Pact has much fewer prisoners, there is little economic benefit to forcing them to work.

OoC: I'd assumed we've been attempting indoctrination of POWs from the very beginning. It's what Commies do, after all. And the War Mod is well aware of the propaganda campaigns in India and Italy. Italy is probably hopeless after what we did to it, but India is another matter . . .

In any event, the German film industry was the only European rival to Hollywood at this time (indeed the only rival anywhere in the world). I assume again, as Commies, we'd be pretty practiced at propaganda. But we'll intensify it, if necessary. Also sticking to the truth. Both sides have a lot about them to criticize, after all, so there's little need to make up stuff.

IC
The US government when complaints are received points out in the Geneva convention that it is perfectly acceptable to put enlisted prisoners of war into productive labor as long as it doesn't have a direct military application. In addition, the US Army directs its officers and men to work, even in enemy hands, as it is good for order and discipline.

ooc
thats completely true by the way, also morale improves, it beats being bored for however many years it lasts.

As to the classes, obviously its not going to have a huge payoff, but it will lay a reservior of good will for after the war. American and Canadian captivity won't be remembered with a lot of warm and fuzzy feelings, but it won't generate hatred either, and in fact for some who benefit from technical and trade school training, it might create some forgiveness.

The political indoctrination won't work, needless to say, on many. But it will work on some, and if nothing else, for those who have only received one side of history, getting the other side might produce some thinking.

As to the German film industry, in quality it was excellent, but for sheer volume of work, nothing rivaled the US motion picture industry, and there were far more US movie stars than anyone else combined.

The first stars were known as movie starts in the 1910s, and the US has an unimagionable lead in that respect. (I loved the four mass media and society classes I took in college)

As France has now capitulated, the French government is asking that the POWs taken in North Africa, and thus the ones who have been away from home the longest, be allowed to return to France as a show of good faith.

I'm totally aware that the Geneva Convention allows reasonable labor for POWs. That's not going to keep Kuusinen from continuing to call the Allies "slave raiders." It hits close enough to home.

Allied prisoners who request work will be given it, of course.

And yes, the American film industry dwarfed that of the rest of the world put together at this time, it's true.

On the other hand, we have Eisenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Eisenstein). No Battleship Potemkin, it's true (different timeline), but there will undoubtedly be equivalents. We have Riefenstahl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riefenstahl), too, for that matter, though I think she's just started as an actor, not a director yet.

As France has now capitulated, the French government is asking that the POWs taken in North Africa, and thus the ones who have been away from home the longest, be allowed to return to France as a show of good faith.

The US government is willing to release immediately all POWs over age 35 and under the age of 18 who are not officers or members of the Regular Army. In addition, fathers of 3 or more children who are not officers will also be released.

(figure about 400,000 POWs released right away under those guidelines, France had a pretty impressive draft law... anyone 18-45, and sometimes older). Which should be a good start.

Other prisoner releases will pretty much depend on the amount of guerilla activity.

If guerilla activity is light, than POWs who have a trade, especially construction trades, will be released, and eventually all reservists Age 26 and over. Heavy guerilla activity, no further POW releases.

I'm totally aware that the Geneva Convention allows reasonable labor for POWs. That's not going to keep Kuusinen from continuing to call the Allies "slave raiders." It hits close enough to home.

Allied prisoners who request work will be given it, of course.

And yes, the American film industry dwarfed that of the rest of the world put together at this time, it's true.

On the other hand, we have Eisenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Eisenstein). No Battleship Potemkin, it's true (different timeline), but there will undoubtedly be equivalents. We have Riefenstahl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riefenstahl), too, for that matter, though I think she's just started as an actor, not a director yet.

ooc
You need to get mad at the Germans, "Alexander Nevsky" is a classic

Major Change

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Economic resources available per turn
LTA nations
USA 40 (in other words, 240 a year) +1 a turn from Central America+2 a turn from Spain (used in Spain)
UK 20 (includes resources from British Empire)
Canada 3
South Africa 4
India 2
Australia 4
Colombia 3 +2 a turn from Latin America & Ecuador
Italy 10 (minus 2 points each for Venice, Milan, Genoa, Naples, 1 point each for Corsica, Sicily) (Venice is under Russian control who have allocated the points to Yugoslavia)
Ecuador 0 (its points going to Colombia)
Argentina 4
Chile 3
Portugal 1+1
Latin America (The Central American nations 5 points, but 1 a turn goes to USA and 1 a turn to Colombia)

Pact nations
China 13 (3 for Shanghai, 3 for Canton, 2 for Mukden, 1 each Peking, Tsingtao, Changsa, Lanchow, 1 from Vietnam)
Hungary 2
Germany 20 (2 from Sweden, 1 from Netherlands, 1 from Denmark, 2 from Essen, 2 from Dusseldorf, 3 from Berlin, 1 from Poznan, 2 from Konigsburg, 2 from Vienna, 1 each Hamburg, Dresden, Munich, Hannover) + 1 from Saarbruchen
Russia 26 +2 a turn from Rumania, plus the Czech production as well) +2 in July from factories taken from Lille (France)
Czechslovakia 3
Yugoslavia 5+2

France 12 (minus 2 points each Paris, Lille, Marseilles, Nantes, Toulouse, Brest), Brest and Nantes have been destroyed and will have to be rebuilt or repaired by the owner, which is currently the UK, Paris has been wrecked, and will require repairs. The Russians moved the factories in Toulouse, Marseilles and Lille to Russia, and they will have to be repaired)

Spain 4 (minus 2 points Madrid, 1 point each Bilbao, Valencia), Bilbao and Valencia have been occupied and their points go to US, who will use them in Spain

Other nations
Japan 10
Burma 1 (has to be repaired)
Malay 2 (goes to UK and already included)
Dutch East Indies 2 (1 point each to India and Japan and are already included)
Korea 2
Netherlands 3
Belgium 4
Burgundy 4
Norway 2
Sweden 4 (plus 2 a turn going to Germany)
Ottoman Empire 4 (plus 1 a turn going to Germany, 1 a turn going to British which are already included in their totals)
Bulgaria 2
Greece 1
Brazil 3

MAJOR CHANGE... the war is approaching the end of its second year, and the warring nations are getting better at building some units (and some are getting better than others. For example the US build a merchant ship once in 24 hours during World War II, and usually built them in about a week). A number of unit types just got cheaper, and yes that means if you have spent 2 points under the old system for a garrison unit, you finish it earlier and under budget.

Costs of Units / turns (each turn is 2 months)

Light surface ships (5 cruisers or 20 destroyers or 50 smaller vessels) 1 / turn for 8 turns
Submarines (represents 20 submarines) 1 / turn for 6 turns
Capital ships (2 battleships or battlecruisers) 1 / turn for 12 turns (10 turns for US, UK, Germany)
Carriers (2 carriers or 4 smaller carriers or 10 escort type carriers, includes their airgroups) 1 / turn for 12 turns (10 turns for US, UK, Germany)
Merchant shipping / amphibious shipping (500,000 tons) 1 / turn for 5 turns (3 turns for US)
Repair damaged warships (includes carriers) 1 / turn for 2 turns (1 turn US)

artificial ports 4 points / 3 turns, no attack, defense 1, move 0, can only move by sea movement (must be carried by transport), acts as a minor port or makes a minor port into a major port


Fighter (represents 500 aircraft) 1 / turn for 2 turns
Bombers (represents 250 -500 aircraft) 1 / turn for 4 turns (3 turns US, UK)
Maritime bombers & fighters (1,000 aircraft) 1 / turn for 4 turns (3 turns for US, Japan, UK)
Transport aircraft (US, Germany, UK, France, Russia only) 1 / turn for 5 turns (4 turns US, UK)

militia corps 1 / turn for 1 turn (maximun of 1 per production point)

Garrison troops (doesn’t include fortifications) 1 / turn for 2 turns

Infantry corps (represents 2 –10 divisions depending on quality of army) 1 / turn for 2 turns

armored corps (represents a special assault tank unit) 1 / turn 5 turns

motorized corps (represents 3 divisions) 1 / turn for 3 turns (2 turns US)

mechanized corps (represents 3 divisions) 1 / turn for 4 turns (3 turns US)

armored cavalry corps (represents 3 divisions) 1 / turn 5 turns (4 turns US, Russia)

Horse cavalry corps 1 / turn for 2 turns (1 turn Russia)

Alpine corps 1 / turn for 3 turns

Amphibious troops (marines and assault craft) 1 / turn for 6 turns (5 turns US, Japan, UK)

Headquarters units (allows reorganized of disorganized units) 1 / turn for 6 turns

Upgrading a corps from infantry to motorized, motorized to mechanized 1 / turn for each level of upgrade. Corps cannot enter combat while being upgraded

anti tank units 2 points / 2 turns attack strength 1 defense strength 3 (doubled against armored, armored cavalry and mechanized), move 3

Katyusha / Multiple Rocket launcher units 2 points / 2 turns attack strength 3 (doubled against infantry and horse cavalry in clear terrain not in a fortification) defense strength 1, move 3

Flak artillery 2 points / 2 turns, attack strength 1, defense strength 3 (doubled against aircraft)

Railroad artillery 3 points / 3 turns. Attack 5 Defense 1, can only be moved by strategic movement. Railroad artillery Attack is doubled against fortifications and cities.

Field artillery 3 points / 3 turns. Attack 3, defense 3, move 3.

Coast artillery 3 points / 3 turns. Attack 0 Defense 5, can only be moved by strategic movement. Has a defense strength of 1 if attacked by ground combat forces attacking from land. The 5 points of defense are for amphibious landings only.

Fortifications 1 / turn for 2 turns (1 turn Russia)

Theater supply units 2 points / 2 turns, no attack, defense 1, move 4, extends supply range

Factories (economic development, increases resource points available) 2 / turn for 6 turns

Repair a production center -- 6 points (1 point per turn). So if you captured Milan for example, you must spend 6 points and it takes 6 turns to get that production area back in production. Unless specifically stated otherwise when it is captured, assume it is damaged and severely disrupted. For example, the Russians took Venice undamaged, so it can immediately be added to the Russia or Yugoslav or German production points.

Research projects -- special minimum 1 point, can be as many as 12 points, varies by country and type of research. There are tech level requirements. Referee approval required. Example is radar (12 points, takes a year, must be tech level 6)

useful research projects costing 12 points:

radar -- gives a +1 to the air combat strength of fighters, carrier aircraft and anti aircraft fire of ships is increased. The US and France are currently researching this, and once the project is completed, the technology can be passed on to allies (who get it 3 turns later). Transfer is allowed for all research projects but must be specified.

tactical voice radio-- gives a +1 to the combat strength of all ground units, and a +1 to the movement allowance of motorized, mechanized and armored cavalry units.

Improved chemistry -- allows the creations of nerve type gases. When used, considered an atrocity, however, doubles the attack strength of all units in an attack where it is used. However, all units involved in the attack are disorganized at the end of combat (warfare and movement is really, really slow under chemical warfare conditions, just ask anyone who has ever had to use MOPP gear).

Strategic bombing -- +1 to the strategic bombing strength of all bombers, and gives bombers that don't have a strategic bombing rating to get a rating of 1.

Torpedo research – gives a +1 to die roll for attacks made by light ships and submarines.

Napalm – doubles bombing factors against militia corps, infantry corps, horse cavalry corps, motorized infantry corps, artillery units, headquarters and theater supply units. In addition, for nations that have strategic bombing (in other words, bought the research, it doubles strategic bombing rating as well)



Shouldn't Japan have expertise at building carriers by now, considerig the size of their carrier force? Germany has more expertise building carriers than Japan how? I've built 8 he's built 0, I was one of the nations that pioneered carrier tactics and production.

The US government is willing to release immediately all POWs over age 35 and under the age of 18 who are not officers or members of the Regular Army. In addition, fathers of 3 or more children who are not officers will also be released.

(figure about 400,000 POWs released right away under those guidelines, France had a pretty impressive draft law... anyone 18-45, and sometimes older). Which should be a good start.

Other prisoner releases will pretty much depend on the amount of guerilla activity.

If guerilla activity is light, than POWs who have a trade, especially construction trades, will be released, and eventually all reservists Age 26 and over. Heavy guerilla activity, no further POW releases.

The French government, of course, says it has no control over guerrillas but will try to curb them.

How can I participate in this? I mean, I'm India and all, but it looks like Galveston is doing all the work. It reminds me of Hearts of Iron II, just someone else is controlling my soldiers...

How can I participate in this? I mean, I'm India and all, but it looks like Galveston is doing all the work. It reminds me of Hearts of Iron II, just someone else is controlling my soldiers...
The First Post in the Main Thread is very clear on how warfare is handled. The method is you TG Galveston Bay what you're doing, he compares it with what everyone else is doing, and resolves actions accordingly, posting the results here.

It's how we keep god-modding under control, and realism enforced.

Shouldn't Japan have expertise at building carriers by now, considerig the size of their carrier force? Germany has more expertise building carriers than Japan how? I've built 8 he's built 0, I was one of the nations that pioneered carrier tactics and production.

the size of the steel industry is a major contributing factor. Another problem is that Japan took a really, really long time to produce carrier pilots. They are damned good, but they don't come fast. Carriers aren't just the ship, but also the airgroups as well.

At least for this war... next war you will have to buy both planes AND pilots... but the pilots don't necessarily die when the plane does. Which has its advantages. That way you can buy planes continually for cheaper than what it currently costs, and as long as the pilots survive, have them man better planes as time progresses. Of course the disadvantage is that if they are killed manning bad planes, you have to buy both pilots and better planes.

the size of the steel industry is a major contributing factor. Another problem is that Japan took a really, really long time to produce carrier pilots. They are damned good, but they don't come fast. Carriers aren't just the ship, but also the airgroups as well.

At least for this war... next war you will have to buy both planes AND pilots... but the pilots don't necessarily die when the plane does. Which has its advantages. That way you can buy planes continually for cheaper than what it currently costs, and as long as the pilots survive, have them man better planes as time progresses. Of course the disadvantage is that if they are killed manning bad planes, you have to buy both pilots and better planes.


alrighty, I could see that factoring in on why he can produce Battleships as fast but still. He has ZERO experience with carriers, how to crew and man one, His pilots have no experience landing on them and such. so shouldn't it take him longer as well?

OOC: I kinda assumed that since we merged governments, that I used the exact same style, just in the Reichstag. Remember, I'm supposed to be the military guy :P

And, I'll make another character, just to make you happy.

And our movie industry won't be as big. Any actors who turn even semi-Hollywoodish will be shot.

King Umberto II has today called upon France to send aid to northern Italy, and has stated that Italy will get the aid it needs one way or another.

"...Now that France has fallen, it is the time for at least one Pact nation to pay for the devastation in Italy. We Italians request aid from France--we need factories to replace those damaged by fighting, and stolen by the Pact. (OOC: Just one build point) We do not ask much of France--France has, after all, not defiled Italian soil to the extent that the German and Russian communist marauders have. But many an Italian has fallen at the hands of the French soldier, and we cannot easily forget that."

A quiet note is sent to the USA, expressing frustration at not giving Corsica, or anything else, to Italy even after so much destruction has been wrought in Italy and so many have fallen. Even so, the note grudgingly thanks the US for sending its soldiers to Italy. Another note, grateful for allied aid, is sent to all the other LTA nations. All of them still state that Italy wants something once this war is over, however.

alrighty, I could see that factoring in on why he can produce Battleships as fast but still. He has ZERO experience with carriers, how to crew and man one, His pilots have no experience landing on them and such. so shouldn't it take him longer as well?

true enough, the German costs will be increased. Although at this point, he isn't likely to be building any.

Incidently, All check economic thread please

King Umberto II has today called upon France to send aid to northern Italy, and has stated that Italy will get the aid it needs one way or another.

"...Now that France has fallen, it is the time for at least one Pact nation to pay for the devastation in Italy. We Italians request aid from France--we need factories to replace those damaged by fighting, and stolen by the Pact. (OOC: Just one build point) We do not ask much of France--France has, after all, not defiled Italian soil to the extent that the German and Russian communist marauders have. But many an Italian has fallen at the hands of the French soldier, and we cannot easily forget that."

A quiet note is sent to the USA, expressing frustration at not giving Corsica, or anything else, to Italy even after so much destruction has been wrought in Italy and so many have fallen. Even so, the note grudgingly thanks the US for sending its soldiers to Italy. Another note, grateful for allied aid, is sent to all the other LTA nations. All of them still state that Italy wants something once this war is over, however.

secret IC
the US is considering giving Italy Tunisia The US is also working on ensuring that Italy gets Trieste back.

Whoa- now I'm really confused.

China has 14 industry points (13 native, 1 Vietnam) from my initial 7 factories plus the 5 normally built factories in 1925, then the 1 rush built factory (Begun in June 1925 and completed by Jan. 1926) and the extra point from Vietnam.

Seeing that I have been building 5 garrisons, that means I should have 5 extra points now due to the cheaper prices now (3 for garrisons before and now only 2 for garrisons).

I'd like to use that 5 extra points to build 2 more fighter units and station them in Canton (4 points).

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I've lost track of what I'm building but hope I got this right.

Current Forces:

5 Garrisons (1 in Canton, Shanghai, Mukden, Tienstin, and Vietnam*)
6 Infantry Corps (2 in Mukden, 2 in Port Arthur, and 2 in Kunming)
1 Fighter (Canton)
1 Bomber (Canton)
1 Maritime Bomber (Canton)
1 HQ unit under construction (Will be completed in June 1926, deploy to Canton)

*= will be withdrawn to Phenom Penh upon Vietnamese independence (if they aren't already independent at this point in time and if Phenom Penh has not been conquered by the LTA)

Current Industry Strength: 14 points (13 native points, 1 Vietnam point)
Current point total for the year of 1926: 84 (14 x 6)

Current Build for the year of 1926:

3 factories = 36 points (all 3 factories will be built in Lanchow)
11 Garrison Units = 22 points (1 in Canton, Shanghai, Tienstin. 2 garrisons in Kunming, Peking, Changsa, and Lanchow)
5 Fighter Planes = 10 points (2 in Canton and 3 in Shanghai)
2 HQ Units = 12 points (1 in Mukden and 1 in Shanghai)
2 Infantry Corps = 4 points (1 in Canton and 1 in Shanghai)

Times of Completion:

3 Factories = Jan. 1927
11 Garrison Units = June 1926
5 Fighter planes = June / August 1926 (?)
2 HQ units = Jan. 1927
2 Infantry Corps = June 1926

EDIT: The turn is at March, right? I've been building some of these from Jan. 1926, notably the Garrison units and the Infantry Corps. Not sure about the Fighters though- will they finish in June or will they be done in August?

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Hope I got that right.

Whoa- now I'm really confused. SNIP Hope I got that right.

I will check it, but off hand I see a couple of problems. I will get back to you tomorrow.

May / June 1926

Weather: Fair everywhere except the North Monsoon Zone which has Monsoon weather (most of India except for the western coastal zone and the desert, Burma, Indochina, Malaya, and the Philippines) movement costs doubled, no invasions, aircraft bombing halved, land attacks -1 odds column,

Initiative: LTA goes first.

secret IC
the US is considering giving Italy Tunisia The US is also working on ensuring that Italy gets Trieste back.
OOC:
I have already given up on demanding Trieste for now, unless something massive happens(like collapse of Italy) then Italy can keep it, without a vote for partition. Though i should think that a number of the Slovenes there will have been moving east to avoid the warzone, and persecution. So maybe a population boost of 50,000 would make me feel better :)

The First Post in the Main Thread is very clear on how warfare is handled. The method is you TG Galveston Bay what you're doing, he compares it with what everyone else is doing, and resolves actions accordingly, posting the results here.

It's how we keep god-modding under control, and realism enforced.

I see. Seems a tad bit...complicated, no? Ah well, it's not like I have any part to actually play in this war, seeing how I'm just a puppet dominion. Especially since my rebellion idea went down the drain. Unless morale amongst the Indian soldiers is piss-poor low, then I can have another Sepoy rebellion.

The US government when complaints are received points out in the Geneva convention that it is perfectly acceptable to put enlisted prisoners of war into productive labor as long as it doesn't have a direct military application. In addition, the US Army directs its officers and men to work, even in enemy hands, as it is good for order and discipline.

British soldiers and Non-Commissioned Officers are informed to go along with any directives to work and are to feel free to request work if they feel the need to do so as long as it is of a non-military nature. British officers are under instruction to refuse work of any nature as has always been the case under their rights as officers. Sargeant-Majors are classed as officers for this purpose and so are exempt from work of any nature but may oversee other workers in a "foreman" capacity. The Senior Officer of any PoW camp can also attach men to a work roster if they feel that it will encourage discipline and improve morale.

Whoa- now I'm really confused.

China has 14 industry points (13 native, 1 Vietnam) from my initial 7 factories plus the 5 normally built factories in 1925, then the 1 rush built factory (Begun in June 1925 and completed by Jan. 1926) and the extra point from Vietnam.

Seeing that I have been building 5 garrisons, that means I should have 5 extra points now due to the cheaper prices now (3 for garrisons before and now only 2 for garrisons).

I'd like to use that 5 extra points to build 2 more fighter units and station them in Canton (4 points).

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I've lost track of what I'm building but hope I got this right.

Current Forces:

5 Garrisons (1 in Canton, Shanghai, Mukden, Tienstin, and Vietnam*)
6 Infantry Corps (2 in Mukden, 2 in Port Arthur, and 2 in Kunming)
1 Fighter (Canton)
1 Bomber (Canton)
1 Maritime Bomber (Canton)
1 HQ unit under construction (Will be completed in June 1926, deploy to Canton)

*= will be withdrawn to Phenom Penh upon Vietnamese independence (if they aren't already independent at this point in time and if Phenom Penh has not been conquered by the LTA)

Current Industry Strength: 14 points (13 native points, 1 Vietnam point)
Current point total for the year of 1926: 84 (14 x 6)

Current Build for the year of 1926:

3 factories = 36 points (all 3 factories will be built in Lanchow)
11 Garrison Units = 22 points (1 in Canton, Shanghai, Tienstin. 2 garrisons in Kunming, Peking, Changsa, and Lanchow)
5 Fighter Planes = 10 points (2 in Canton and 3 in Shanghai)
2 HQ Units = 12 points (1 in Mukden and 1 in Shanghai)
2 Infantry Corps = 4 points (1 in Canton and 1 in Shanghai)

Times of Completion:

3 Factories = Jan. 1927
11 Garrison Units = June 1926
5 Fighter planes = June / August 1926 (?)
2 HQ units = Jan. 1927
2 Infantry Corps = June 1926

EDIT: The turn is at March, right? I've been building some of these from Jan. 1926, notably the Garrison units and the Infantry Corps. Not sure about the Fighters though- will they finish in June or will they be done in August?

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Hope I got that right.

OOC:

I kind of messed up on the completion dates. June should be July, and August should be September.

May / June 1926

Weather: Fair everywhere except the North Monsoon Zone which has Monsoon weather (most of India except for the western coastal zone and the desert, Burma, Indochina, Malaya, and the Philippines) movement costs doubled, no invasions, aircraft bombing halved, land attacks -1 odds column,

Initiative: LTA goes first.

incidently, I need orders... I assume the Russians will continue to attack in India, but elsewhere I have no orders.

the US is getting ready to submit another peace proposal

ooc
as soon as I locate the Hague Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9869785&posted=1#post9869785

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9869785&posted=1#post9869785

thanks, but I had already found it (chuckle)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9901626&postcount=104

on the assumption that the war will end, I am not going to start the military part of the May June turn.

Assume the following, in the Allied first phase the Allies halt military operations once Russia agrees (which happened right away). However, the US Navy is still patrolling the South China Sea. 3 British corps are shifted from Egypt to India, and 3 British corps are shifted from France to Egypt to take their place, and the Anzacs send 2 corps to India as well.

On the Pact first phase, the Russians break contact from Indian forces and begin pulling back. The Pact also refrains from military operations and pulls out of Burgundy and Belgium.

Assuming all of this remains true, then the Americans shift the Moroccans and Latin Americans out of France and Spain (returning them home). The Allies also withdraw from Burgundy and Belgium.

It will take pretty much the rest of the year for the Allies and Pact to get all of their troops to their home countries. Last Allied troops will pull out of Spain and France on New Years Eve from the ports of Bilbao, Cadiz, Brest and Marseilles. It will take Russia about that long to get out of Afghanistan and India as well. Geography and weather being the big problems in that particular case.

OOC: Ok, what of the issue of Saarsbrucken? I feel that I should have it because, for one, I don't think it was ever supposed to be part of Burgundy, as it wasn't a part of Alsace-Lorraine of Luxemburg. Plus, I personally, wish to fight the issue of me taking back Burgundy, but I won't impede peace with it. I'm really a resonable guy when you kick me in the balls :P

Parthini']OOC: Ok, what of the issue of Saarsbrucken? I feel that I should have it because, for one, I don't think it was ever supposed to be part of Burgundy, as it wasn't a part of Alsace-Lorraine of Luxemburg. Plus, I personally, wish to fight the issue of me taking back Burgundy, but I won't impede peace with it. I'm really a resonable guy when you kick me in the balls :P

I would suggest taking it to the League of Nations and asking for a plebisite to see if they want to rejoin Germany

OOC: just thought everybody should know that Australia is now active again (under me--Hi everybody), that the old nation thread will be used, and Stanley Melbourne Bruce will be representing the nation at the peace summit.

Since our army got pretty beat up in Asia during the war, i think it makes sense, if not to have a standing military, then a larger number of garrison units to supplement the reserve corps. Maybe an officer corps from the air force that we were working on at the time of the cease fire and at the very least rebuild part of the navy that was smashed up by the chinese. Those reparations have to go to something and the citizens are going to want to be defended now that they are independent.

Since our army got pretty beat up in Asia during the war, i think it makes sense, if not to have a standing military, then a larger number of garrison units to supplement the reserve corps. Maybe an officer corps from the air force that we were working on at the time of the cease fire and at the very least rebuild part of the navy that was smashed up by the chinese. Those reparations have to go to something and the citizens are going to want to be defended now that they are independent.

I would suggest 4 reserve garrison units (Perth, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth), plus 1 reerve motorized infantry corps. Plus 2 tech level 6 heavy cruisers, 4 tech level 6 light cruisers and 20 tech level 6 destroyers and 10 tech level 6 submarines. I would also build a reserve Australian pilot. I wouldn't worry about aircraft just yet