NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Hey, that means I can't colonize Space?? It's still PMT, honestly, it's MT, since all my stations are like the ISS...

why not hold it to a vote Rolatia? so far when ever there is a problem you give in and since this is an RP earth it should be decided by all not by one agreed?

why not hold it to a vote Rolatia? so far when ever there is a problem you give in and since this is an RP earth it should be decided by all not by one agreed?
OOC: Hmm, fine. OK, it's either 1 year to a RL week or 1 year to a RL month - this will probably mainly be for dating histories (we're not going into FT). One decision I make - wars and conferences are fluid time since I don't want to be waiting or be rushed during a war/conference

OOC: Hey, that means I can't colonize Space?? It's still PMT, honestly, it's MT, since all my stations are like the ISS...
OOC: You're allowed those space stations, just don't expect weapons from them to be too powerful. A quick guide to banned things is colonizing any place outside Earth and the Moon, large space stations orbiting any place outisde Earth/Moon, future tech weaponry, deranged and totally unrealistic ideas (*coughtailbombcough*)
Oh, by the way I've established what land the EU, USNAC, CAS and CRA have. I'll upload the map with their land on them soon. In case you wondering, in a nutshell in North America (US/Canada/Mexico) the Canadian islands, most of south-west and north-east US and all of Mexico is unaffiliated. You can still claim land inside USNAC and CAS - they're just NPNs

ROLATIA ESTABLISHES EMBASSY IN USNAC
Rolatia has today announced it will be establishing a full embassy in the USNAC and are also complentating the possibility of a military base. When asked for reasons, Rolatian Prime Minister Dr J Edwards said "We are interested in opening diplomatic relations in this nation - one that shares our ideals of freedom and equality". It is unclear where the embassy will be yet

OOC: You're allowed those space stations, just don't expect weapons from them to be too powerful. A quick guide to banned things is colonizing any place outside Earth and the Moon, large space stations orbiting any place outisde Earth/Moon, future tech weaponry, deranged and totally unrealistic ideas (*coughtailbombcough*)
Oh, by the way I've established what land the EU, USNAC, CAS and CRA have. I'll upload the map with their land on them soon. In case you wondering, in a nutshell in North America (US/Canada/Mexico) the Canadian islands, most of south-west and north-east US and all of Mexico is unaffiliated. You can still claim land inside USNAC and CAS - they're just NPNs

OOC: Okay. Let's make Outer Space rules now. I am planning to build a colony in Earth-Moon L1 point, can I?? I completely agree with that thing of forbid colonies in other planets. Planetary exploration is a FT issue.
Other thing is about weapons. I have a WMD in my station that is a rocket launcher, however, it cause a small damage as you could see. Plasma guns are slow for the time and useless, than I don't use. The only different thing is the missiles to close combat. That can't do anything to Earth people though...

okay, USNAC is United States of North America and Canada and CAS is Confederated American States, right?? What happened to Mercosur and the SACN??

And Fortress Antarctica is not owned right now, right?? I am planning get there...

OOC: Okay. Let's make Outer Space rules now. I am planning to build a colony in Earth-Moon L1 point, can I?? I completely agree with that thing of forbid colonies in other planets. Planetary exploration is a FT issue.
Other thing is about weapons. I have a WMD in my station that is a rocket launcher, however, it cause a small damage as you could see. Plasma guns are slow for the time and useless, than I don't use. The only different thing is the missiles to close combat. That can't do anything to Earth people though...

okay, USNAC is United States of North America and Canada and CAS is Confederated American States, right?? What happened to Mercosur and the SACN??

And Fortress Antarctica is not owned right now, right?? I am planning get there...

OOC: OK, Moon colonies are allowed. Your weapon also seems fair as it isn't too powerful. Right call on the names. I don't remember EVER hearing of Mercosur and SACN - explain please

OOC: You know, The South Common Market (Mercosur or Mercosul) and South America community of Nations (SACN) IRL. I mean, they existed, something happened to them...

EDIT: Oh, and L1 isn't in the moon. It's a Lagrange point...

OOC: You know, The South Common Market (Mercosur or Mercosul) and South America community of Nations (SACN) IRL. I mean, they existed, something happened to them...

EDIT: Oh, and L1 isn't in the moon. It's a Lagrange point...
OOC: Hmm, haven't looked into those (or Lagrange points for that matter). Let me see...
At L1, you will have to destroy the SOHO satellite BTW
Mercosur - yes, that sounds good. Just say it's now enveloped into SACN (since Parguay is the last member). SACN will contain Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay and Chile as of current, due to the rest of the countries being player controlled.
I may also institute ASEAN (at the moment would contain Indonesia, Malyasia, the Phillipines, Thailand, Brunei, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar and Cambodia) but NOT NAFTA (since we already have NPNs in most of the NAFTA zone) and no AU (waaaaay too big). I also may get some more NPN states - maybe one smaller American one in the eastern area between USNAC and CAS (the remnants of the current US) and perhaps a Muslim Alliance in Pakistan and the Middle East

ooc. Sorry for slow RPing guys, I've got the flu, so...

Venezuela over?

ooc. Sorry for slow RPing guys, I've got the flu, so...

Venezuela over?
OOC: Not quite, the battle has been joined in the highlands betyween the coimbined forces of both previous battles, and after that they have few troops left. I'll get going on the RP there now

OOC: Hmm, haven't looked into those (or Lagrange points for that matter). Let me see...
At L1, you will have to destroy the SOHO satellite BTW
Mercosur - yes, that sounds good. Just say it's now enveloped into SACN (since Parguay is the last member). SACN will contain Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay and Chile as of current, due to the rest of the countries being player controlled.
I may also institute ASEAN (at the moment would contain Indonesia, Malyasia, the Phillipines, Thailand, Brunei, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar and Cambodia) but NOT NAFTA (since we already have NPNs in most of the NAFTA zone) and no AU (waaaaay too big). I also may get some more NPN states - maybe one smaller American one in the eastern area between USNAC and CAS (the remnants of the current US) and perhaps a Muslim Alliance in Pakistan and the Middle East

I was thinking the Middle East being under saudi arabian control being that at current states (in RL) its problem the most powerful Middile East Nation about (one of the largest Oil producers i belive). I waws thinking of making the Middle East the Arabian Empire

Hey, you didn't act on it for so long, and didn't post in the history forum, so you have to work around the already claimed states (and then adjust it if anyone else claims land :P

OOC: 1 day post op, out of it, but happened in
Going to try to make clarification then go back to bed ;p

Today NP works in the Forums, not Unidos, go figure.

Unidos has existing claims to Indiana, and the Chicago region, as well as portions of Western Illinois. Subsequently Rp'd uprisings in Effingham and East St. Louis as well as St. Luis it self. in which Unidos troops intervened to restore order.

Control of St. Louis though end of fighting not RP'd will result in St. Louis being turned over to whatever operating sovereign entity controls Missouri which presumably is the state government with a capitol in Jefferson City.

Indiana, ,Chicago and relevant portions of the Great lakes,are in Unidos control, governing in coalition with existing state governments. , Most of Illinois came under Unidos control acting as a result of the collapse of state control by the government in Springfield.

Unidos naval forces now control those portions of the Ohio river adjacent to Indiana, those navigable bodies of water adjacent to Indiana,Illinois, including the Mississippi.
It controls the crossing points near and in St. Louis, though these are to be handed off to civil authorities once things calm down.

in addition Unidos, in conjunction with Indiana and Illinois has entered into trade negotiations with Oklahoma and Louisiana. Unidos naval vessels can provide safe escort for any merchant vessel traveling along the Mississippi from the North of Illinois to the Gulf o f Mexico. though it make no territorial claims . Unidos has also made it's desire for peaceful relations with it's neighbors as well as wishing to pose no threat to Texas etc.

So if anyone is -claiming-0 those areas. be aware this as already done some time ago. These are not military occupation, but entries into the area with the consent of the local and state governments or to bring an end to chaos and anarchy in areas like East St. Louis where no actual government was in control.

It should be emphasized that Unidos efforts to secure the great lakes, at least those portions near it's claims and in unclaimed territory , and it's patrols of the Mississippi river are intended to ensure these vital trade routes remain open and to counter piracy,smuggling etc.

If there is any uncertainty about New Preussen's claims' etc. I cna clear those up.

As to the space side of things. Unidos has satellite capability, New Preusen also. and could provide some cooperation and funding for an international space agency. playing a role similar to that of Germany in the European Space Agency.
Current research and development most relevant to Earth VII would be in the area of alternate energy, especially fuel cells. and hyper soar aircraft. which would make for much quicker intercontinental travel.

Hope all this makes sense. Saw a little of the CorpSEc world history thread and though it might not have taken the above developments into account. Please forgive NP and unidos's relative lack of activity but after sinus surgery and with pending surgery on nerves in right arm it is going to limit capability to operate. not to mention losing Internet connectivity for the last 3 days (grrr)

IC:

English Language service of Preussiche Welle

St. Louis, Missouri:

Unidos and coalltion forces frm the states of Illnois and Missouri have resotred calm to St. Luis. Officials stressd this woudl have been accomplished much sooner,but every effort was made to avoid collaeral damage and civilian casualaties. No accurate casualty total is avaiable. sicn emany deaths due to disease and gang activity before the onset of hostilitieshad not been wll documented. though a number of innercity neighborhoods did experience signficatn damage , most of the St. Louis areas' infraxtructure remains intact. Coalsiton forces credit precision guided 'smart' weapons for beign able to destroy insurgent storng points.

Having linked up with Missouri Naitonal Guard units in the Western Suburbs , coalison forces will conduct joint patrols of the afea until Missouri officials restore local civil goernment and police egencies which were largely destoryed in recoent months.

ahh dont drag me into the argument i just put on what i know, i based the first few NPNs on what wasnt claimed from the claim thread, i also posted the link hoping people would TG me with there stories, what they wanted to see, how they think the world might turn into the mess it is.

The History thread is not offical yet (the one up is more of a rough draft), instead of Tg me what you want me to post post it yourself just work round what is at the moment unless ofcorse it something like your nation forming then maby i dont know you can work some of the NPNs into it (eg if say USNAC has a state you want to be your home nation maby you uprise agenst USNAC. USNAC after all is in a state of trying to hold itself together and not to go war with CAS. If for exsample CAS has a state you want but maby your not a White Suprimeist maby that state rebaled over civil rights and formed its own self governing system and you might have a constant threat of CAS buggering you about.)

Alos on the thing with NPNs, in general NPs are played by the GM (game master) who in this world would be Rolatia but since this is NS im taking it that its all to RP with aslong as your RP them within the basic lines set (eg CAS being Fanatic Nazi folk who should be shot..did i say that? or RCA or CRA is a commie state).

But thats up to rolatia...tho im shore he doesnt want to have to run around all threads related to Earth VII that dont really concern his nation just that he has to play a NPN.

I was thinking the Middle East being under saudi arabian control being that at current states (in RL) its problem the most powerful Middile East Nation about (one of the largest Oil producers i belive). I waws thinking of making the Middle East the Arabian Empire

I think Egypt is the most qualified one to take over that area. What about the Arab League becoming a nation instead of continuing an alliance??

IC: SAA announces its first meeting to be placed in the city of São Paulo.

OOC: I still have to post the thread, sorry. I'll post it ASAP...

Anti Corporate Protests in west russia turn Dangerus

images of the riots, Royal Marines in Riot gear fighting for there lives

"a few hours ago Anti Corporate Protesters outside the 12th Royal Marine Corps barracks in westen russia outside moscow turned deadly. all the RCA troops protecting the base were killed, reports that 12 Royal marines were killed then there bodies mutilated by the Rioters. Its unclear how the vilonces started but what is know was that Extreamist in the protests had thrown Petrol bombs at the barracks sparking what runed out to be a bloody day for what should have been rather peaceful. this comes 2 weeks after the forces arrived in russia."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9947358#post9947358

ahh dont drag me into the argument i just put on what i know, i based the first few NPNs on what wasnt claimed from the claim thread, i also posted the link hoping people would TG me with there stories, what they wanted to see, how they think the world might turn into the mess it is.

The History thread is not offical yet (the one up is more of a rough draft), instead of Tg me what you want me to post post it yourself just work round what is at the moment unless ofcorse it something like your nation forming then maby i dont know you can work some of the NPNs into it (eg if say USNAC has a state you want to be your home nation maby you uprise agenst USNAC. USNAC after all is in a state of trying to hold itself together and not to go war with CAS. If for exsample CAS has a state you want but maby your not a White Suprimeist maby that state rebaled over civil rights and formed its own self governing system and you might have a constant threat of CAS buggering you about.)

Alos on the thing with NPNs, in general NPs are played by the GM (game master) who in this world would be Rolatia but since this is NS im taking it that its all to RP with aslong as your RP them within the basic lines set (eg CAS being Fanatic Nazi folk who should be shot..did i say that? or RCA or CRA is a commie state).

But thats up to rolatia...tho im shore he doesnt want to have to run around all threads related to Earth VII that dont really concern his nation just that he has to play a NPN.

OOC:
DON'T USE CORPSEC'S THREAD
Seriously, use the history forum and post what you want - if you pre-empty CorpSac he'll have to fir it around it. All world events are open to writing, though ultimately I may edit them. I can't RP the NPNs in detaiil (i.e wars) - but I will be setting up diplomacy and such for USNAC, but if you want to fight them (you don't, go fight the other authotarian NPNs :P you RP them normally - but if anyone else wants to (especially an independent nation ioutside of Earth VII) you are welcome to.

We'll have the Arabian Empire as a NPN, encompassing the Middle East and Egypt. No using it to cut off world oil if you take control (stares at CorpSac). Ill scrap the other US state due to the Unidos rampaging through the area. I'll put those areas under your control, and you can provide the refined version if anyone asks.

*looks shifty with a suitcase full of money and trucks of oil behind* me steal oil..never....

Anyway, is no one going to go "oh no Corporate Influance is spreading ot one of the largest NPNs about"...really im not kidding look at any map...Russia (with some ex Sovet states) and China in an allaince....its big shore people should be concerned.

what do i have to do to get peoples attention, so far ive nuked the amazon, invading the UK, have influance in north Irland and now spredding that influance to one of the largest NPNs about.....what i got to do nuke an oil field..(that could be fun)

what do i have to do to get peoples attention, so far ive nuked the amazon, invading the UK, have influance in north Irland and now spredding that influance to one of the largest NPNs about.....what i got to do nuke an oil field..(that could be fun)
OOC: Heh, not going well? And I don't recall you ever nuking the Amazon. Anyway, watch it - I'm not going to let you drag the whole CRA into a war with you (that's what we call god-modding)

OOC: Heh, not going well? And I don't recall you ever nuking the Amazon. Anyway, watch it - I'm not going to let you drag the whole CRA into a war with you (that's what we call god-modding)


I wasnt going to Drag the whole CRA into a war with me, just westen russia it would take to much time for the RCA/CRA to move the troops needed to protect them and they have far more troops then i could ever muster...besides like i said im only after one area mainly and that the Russian SPace port and the area around it...anything elce is a bonus.

And i nuked the amazon in a news report..i got condemed by one person...i was kinda suprised since the Amazon is like one of the last rainforsts left....and thats not good if it vanished..(hence the reason if people dog pile me like i expected i was going to pay for the Rebuilding and protection of the amazon).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454545


Sign it

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454545


Sign it
OOC: There is no way I am ever going to accept that treaty. Just don't go interfering with the Middle East and Rolatia :p

OOC: There is no way I am ever going to accept that treaty. Just don't go interfering with the Middle East and Rolatia :p


It basicly reinforces the fact that with a ABM system nuclear weapons can be used like candy, with out a ABM system you think twice since your scared if you fire your nukes the rest will fire theres at you.

It basicly reinforces the fact that with a ABM system nuclear weapons can be used like candy, with out a ABM system you think twice since your scared if you fire your nukes the rest will fire theres at you.
Hmm...I'm slightly afraid that you're going to conventional-missile or nuke Rolatia. I retract my statement but I'll have to carefully think and observe tyhe reaction to the treaty

Hmm...I'm slightly afraid that you're going to conventional-missile or nuke Rolatia. I retract my statement but I'll have to carefully think and observe tyhe reaction to the treaty

you dont get it, basicly the treaty says that since we have no protection from say a nuclear weapon with a ABM system we're less likly to use them knowing we would be dead to, say like this :-

CorpSac has a ABM system, Rolatia dont there for Rolatia are less likely to fire nuclear weapons at CorpSac But CorpSac is more likly to use nuclear weapons on Rolatia since CorpSac knows that it has a ABM system that can say shot down 90% of missiles.

But this treaty says No one can have a ABM system outside the limits stated by the treaty inturn no one is likely to nuke anyone since they know that they themselves will get nuked. Its why in the cold war the USA and the USSR didnt go to war, they both knew no one would win and all would die.

OOC:
DON'T USE CORPSEC'S THREAD
Seriously, use the history forum and post what you want - if you pre-empty CorpSac he'll have to fir it around it. All world events are open to writing, though ultimately I may edit them. I can't RP the NPNs in detaiil (i.e wars) - but I will be setting up diplomacy and such for USNAC, but if you want to fight them (you don't, go fight the other authotarian NPNs :P you RP them normally - but if anyone else wants to (especially an independent nation ioutside of Earth VII) you are welcome to.

We'll have the Arabian Empire as a NPN, encompassing the Middle East and Egypt. No using it to cut off world oil if you take control (stares at CorpSac). Ill scrap the other US state due to the Unidos rampaging through the area. I'll put those areas under your control, and you can provide the refined version if anyone asks.

OOC: Shouldn't it be all the Arab World?? Includinf the Middle-East, the Arabian Peninsula and Northern Africa??

why do i feel ignored on this earth

why do i feel ignored on this earth
What, feeling lonely? :D
I'll sign the treaty on the ABMs later

good cos i would hate to have to class you as a rouge nation......we deal with rouge nations we do.

good cos i would hate to have to class you as a rouge nation......we deal with rouge nations we do.
It's ROGUE. Let's make this clear:
ROGUE
:p

It's ROGUE. Let's make this clear:
ROGUE
:p


im sorry for only having 3 hours sleep and being dyslexic, why dont you want to be considered a Red State :P

im sorry for only having 3 hours sleep and being dyslexic, why dont you want to be considered a Red State :P

...Sorry, didn't know you were dyslexic :(

Leaked Corporate Report, Peace Keeper Forces to be deployed in Major cities of Westen Russia


A leaked report from the Corporate States says that the Corporation is currently undergoing talks over the recent Winter Riots that have so far claimed the lives of over 200 people and wounding 1000s more.

At the current state of affiars westen russia could fall into anarchy resulting in major problems for meny nations of the world, since westen russia alone has over 200 nuclear warheads.

The Plan deployment will consit of the current forces on the ground (10th, 12th, 14th and 72nd Royal Marine Corps) along with CorpSec 3rd Army, force to arrive in Westen Russia will comprise of 1 Air Assault Division.

The forces deployed are there for one reason, protecting of CRA citizens and keeping order until the CRA is able to muster forces trained to handdle the situation.

When reporters asked Sorces within the Corporate British Army they were stoned walled, offical responces to this leaked report is no comment.


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OOC: infact that idea that is peace keepers is true, its just once i get a foot hold my forces will...take over. Ofcorse thats Completely OOC and you have no idea IC (i willl not accept "Cos your nations like that" as an IC responce...give a decnt responce then i dont mind)

i wonder if anyone will atempt to stop me from gaining.......power in westen russia without going to war with me.....

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The Corporate States says Diplomacy between Rolatia and itself will improve for the better they hope.

The recent diplomatic stalemate between the Corporate States of the United Kingdom and Ireland and Rolatia would shorely end with the Rolatia Goverment signing the ABS Treaty, The Director of the Corporate States Kayla Ashcroft said "the Rolatia Prime minister has proved that peace is something far better then anything elce".

Rumers going around is that the Corporation will be looking to start massive trade agreements and meny more things.

OOC: How big exactly is your army ATM?

OOC: How big exactly is your army ATM?

who's this ATM??

i wonder if anyone will atempt to stop me from gaining.......power in westen russia without going to war with me.....

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The Corporate States says Diplomacy between Rolatia and itself will improve for the better they hope.

The recent diplomatic stalemate between the Corporate States of the United Kingdom and Ireland and Rolatia would shorely end with the Rolatia Goverment signing the ABS Treaty, The Director of the Corporate States Kayla Ashcroft said "the Rolatia Prime minister has proved that peace is something far better then anything elce".

Rumers going around is that the Corporation will be looking to start massive trade agreements and meny more things.

OOC: Yay! I'm not going to try and stop an army like that :P What's your major exports?
IC:
DIPLOMATIC TALKS OVER EMBASSIES, CONSULATES AND TRADE AGREEMENTS PROPOSED
Rolatia have today announced that they are more than ready to enter talks with the Corporate States of the United Kingdom and Ireland over permanent diplomatic relations and possible trade agreements. On the agenda would be embassies between the two countries, agreements over some fields of trade (this section will be decided if talks start) and it's even been hinted at a non-agression pact by the Rolatian broadsheets. There is some hostility to opening relations with CorpSac, but the majority (including the Prime Minister) think it best to keep peace with the country

who's this ATM???
who's this ATM??
ATM=At the moment. I especially need to know your army size since II'm pretty confused over what exactly you have on Earth

i thought i posted my army list yesterday..confussing must not have said submit.

Anyway:-

Total Population:- 2.5 Billion (there is basicly no green land in Britian and Irland and vary tall cities....its infact basicly one big city..nearly)
Percent in Military:- 1.5% (37.5 million)

Corp. Security Force:- 500,000
Corp. Sec. Air Force:- 2 million (4:1 Ratio)
Corp. Sec. Navy:- 3 million (5:1 Ratio)
Royal British Army:- 10 Million (4:1 Ratio)
Royal Navy:- 8 Million (5:1 Ratio)
Royal Air Force:- 8 Million (4:1 Ratio)
Royal Marines:- 6 Million (4:1 ratio)

Total Budget:- 25 Trillion
Adv Spent per Troop:- 675,675
Training Age:- 13
Major Sex:- Female

(from the school program, it fits kids into things that the Corporation belives they would do well at. so if it thinks you would be good in the Royal Marines then you would be trained from the age of 13 in Tactics, Weapons, Fitness,Military History, Parade and so forth.)

a week after the rioting and attacks on Corporate forces the CRA have declared that they are allowing Corporate Forces to start peace keeping operations, the operations clear thurs far are said to be the bombing of mutiply Insergent bases, a few Terror Training camps that seemed to have been missed so meny times by the CRA goverment.

A cerfew has been inforced from sunset today, no persons are allowed to be allowed out after sunset until sunrise. Corporate forces already today have started to place defensive postions across the regions and have up there security at the Russian space port.

It seems that the CRA had no choice with the recent trubbles in china and Kezakhtan, some with the CRA goverment belive this is mroe of an invasion then a peacekeeping force but without the aid of others were up agenst the wall.

OOC: Yay! I'm not going to try and stop an army like that :P What's your major exports?
IC:
DIPLOMATIC TALKS OVER EMBASSIES, CONSULATES AND TRADE AGREEMENTS PROPOSED
Rolatia have today announced that they are more than ready to enter talks with the Corporate States of the United Kingdom and Ireland over permanent diplomatic relations and possible trade agreements. On the agenda would be embassies between the two countries, agreements over some fields of trade (this section will be decided if talks start) and it's even been hinted at a non-agression pact by the Rolatian broadsheets. There is some hostility to opening relations with CorpSac, but the majority (including the Prime Minister) think it best to keep peace with the country


who's this ATM??
ATM=At the moment. I especially need to know your army size since II'm pretty confused over what exactly you have on Earth

OOC: It's kinda classified. I myself am in doubt. My forces are trained in the Limited Amazon Forest, and only SAMO knows how much it is. But I swear it will never pass 5% of my total population. It's like yours though, but a little bit bigger...

i wonder if anyone will atempt to stop me from gaining.......power in westen russia without going to war with me.....

As long as you don't interfere with us in eastern China, have fun with Russia. Also, your treaty is stupid, as my following post in both this thread and the treaty thread will clearly state.

Also, I finally finished writing up a list of weapons used and sold by the Solux Empire. The next update will include specialty weapons such as mortors and rocket launchers. Find them here (http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6&mforum=solux#6).

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News from the Solux Empire:

In an international broadcast, the Emperor of the Solux Empire has issued a statement in an attempt to rally the world against the international treaty raised by the Corporate States of the United Kingdom and Ireland to ban anti-ballistic weapon systems. The broadcast shall be displayed in this following clip...

"As representative of the Solux Empire, I protest this treaty vehemently. This is, without a doubt, one of the most ASININE treaties I've ever had the displeasure to lay eyes upon.

I hereby recommend, with the full consent of all the nation members who make up the Solux Empire, that instead a treaty banning of any and all weapons of mass destruction, and a global SUPPORT of anti-ballistic systems. If a system is in place to prevent any nuclear attacks, then the mere presence of nuclear arms would be not only futile, but a waste of government funds.

I call upon the all sensible countries, and good citizens of the world to recognize the shear LUNACY of this treaty, and rally behind the Solux Empire in the desire to ban nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth."

As long as you don't interfere with us in eastern China, have fun with Russia. Also, your treaty is stupid, as my following post in both this thread and the treaty thread will clearly state.

Also, I finally finished writing up a list of weapons used and sold by the Solux Empire. The next update will include specialty weapons such as mortors and rocket launchers. Find them here (http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6&mforum=solux#6).

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News from the Solux Empire:

In an international broadcast, the Emperor of the Solux Empire has issued a statement in an attempt to rally the world against the international treaty raised by the Corporate States of the United Kingdom and Ireland to ban anti-ballistic weapon systems. The broadcast shall be displayed in this following clip...

"As representative of the Solux Empire, I protest this treaty vehemently. This is, without a doubt, one of the most ASININE treaties I've ever had the displeasure to lay eyes upon.

I hereby recommend, with the full consent of all the nation members who make up the Solux Empire, that instead a treaty banning of any and all weapons of mass destruction, and a global SUPPORT of anti-ballistic systems. If a system is in place to prevent any nuclear attacks, then the mere presence of nuclear arms would be not only futile, but a waste of government funds.

I call upon the all sensible countries, and good citizens of the world to recognize the shear LUNACY of this treaty, and rally behind the Solux Empire in the desire to ban nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth."

OOC: well, we agree on this. that treaty is useless...

OOC: well, we agree on this. that treaty is useless...


Do you know how expensive it is to remove nuclear weapons? Do you know that his idea would just spark a Arms race.
Ban nuclear weapons wont work no one in there right mind would lose the one weapon that makes others think befor annoying you. His treaty would spark an Arms race, between the People who have ABM systems and the ones with nuclear weapons, both will try and make a better system. More powerful smarter nukes to get past an ABM (that has a 1 in 10 chance of hitting anyway) and the ABM boys would want to make a better ABM system to counter the new Nuclear Threat.

Totaly removing the ABM systems would mean that MAD is the only result of use of nuclear weapons and that Nuclear system would basicly never need upgrading, becoming alot less in cost.

Besides you would have to take our nukes from our cold dead hands tho we would use them if we had to (advantage of Sub Based missiles...nearly impossible to find).

MAD does NOT mean that people will not use their nukes. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the world was on the brink of nuclear war and was only averted when the Russians agreed to remove their missiles if the US agreed to not invade Cuba. Banning ABM systems is only going to make it easier for nations to nuke each other

Also, WE HAVE A NATION IN SPACE. All it takes is a single spaceship to carry tons of nuclear arms to the sun.

I'd also like to point out you IGNORED an important part of what I said. All nations that made up the treaty would ally in making effective ABM systems the world over, thus making nuclear weapons that still existed useless.

More importantly, nuclear missiles are little or no threat at all compared to a country or organization planting nukes into an enemy country and setting them off. At least banning the production of nuclear arms would prevent this, because nuclear production is easier to monitor than what happens to preexisting nuclear warheads.

Ever wonder why the UN has never even mentioned such a treaty, even though the major military powers, including the USA, are already racing to perfect an ABM system? That is because it would be stupid to do, every nuclear power...minus perhaps Iran and North Korea, wants the nuclear threat completely eliminated.

MAD does NOT mean that people will not use their nukes. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the world was on the brink of nuclear war and was only averted when the Russians agreed to remove their missiles if the US agreed to not invade Cuba. Banning ABM systems is only going to make it easier for nations to nuke each other

Also, WE HAVE A NATION IN SPACE. All it takes is a single spaceship to carry tons of nuclear arms to the sun.

I'd also like to point out you IGNORED an important part of what I said. All nations that made up the treaty would ally in making effective ABM systems the world over, thus making nuclear weapons that still existed useless.

More importantly, nuclear missiles are little or no threat at all compared to a country or organization planting nukes into an enemy country and setting them off. At least banning the production of nuclear arms would prevent this, because nuclear production is easier to monitor than what happens to preexisting nuclear warheads.

Ever wonder why the UN has never even mentioned such a treaty, even though the major military powers, including the USA, are already racing to perfect an ABM system? That is because it would be stupid to do, every nuclear power...minus perhaps Iran and North Korea, wants the nuclear threat completely eliminated.


First off:-
yes the russia removed the nuclear weapons in the Cuban Missile Crisis with the unoffical reason but the US made the agreement to withdraw the outdated and planed to be withdrawn Jupiter missiles in turkey.

2nd, the treaty i put up is in fact a RL treaty between Russia the US (well the Sovet union and the USA) just edited slightly.

3rd, The US is getting bollocked for makeing an effective ABM system, some deem it illigal and pushes the balance of world power far to much in the US favor other (americans) think its a grate idea. tho there ABM system still has a 1/10 chance of hitting a nuclear missile (even the outdated ICBMs).

First off, I never mentioned the Jupiter missiles because they WERE outdated, I'm not foolish enough to believe that was the only thing the US agreed to. By not invading Cuba, the USSR still had an attack point into the US, even if not a nuclear attack.

Second, it was a treaty the USA WAS in, they withdrew a few years ago and neither Russia nor China were up in arms about it, which should be obvious since we're not in a second cold war.

Third, I've read no where that someone has claimed it illegal, because doing so would be an act of stupidity. By withdrawing from the ABM treaty, it is now legal for the USA to make all the ABM's they want. And at the same time they've announced a serious reduction in the amount of nuclear weapons, thus greatly reducing the MAD affect coming from the USA. This is probably along the lines of thinking that the world as a whole has evolved past the mess it was during the cold war, and now the major power's greatest nuclear threat are countries that gain nuclear power under the radar and go rogue.

Again, as for a second time you conveniently ignore, NONE of this would matter for our world. Especially since many of the major nations are so young they should HAVE a well developed nuclear weapons program, we have the ability to dispose of nuclear weapons far easier than the world of today, and if we all agreed to NOT have nuclear weapons, then there are no nuclear weapons to start the need for a MAD type power balance. At this point a planet wide (or at least nation wide for the members of the treaty) ABM system would merely be in place to protect from the very rogue states that everyone is so worried about.

Let me repeat, so as to prevent you form missing this rather important detail. THERE WOULD BE NO NUKES under this treaty, so every argument you've made so far is at least mostly a mute point. At this point any nation that built nuclear weapons would have to answer to an entire world, and with the technology around today, they wouldn't have the chance to build and launch enough missiles before the armies of the world arrived.

Now to put aside the logical and political reasons. Why are you opposed to creating a world without nuclear weapons, as much disaster as this world has apparently gone through, I would think much of the population would be against anything that could create such wide spread disaster as a country having full nuclear capabilities. As Rolatia has said, we create this world and as far as I've seen your the only country that has claimed to have nuclear weapons, and controlling the UK and invading Russia, this makes sense. In all honestly I haven't seen a single other player country that could have devolved them on their own. Even my own country would only have claim to any nuclear sites found in the parts of China we conquer.

OOC:My "Nation" is a MegaCorporation, One of the company it owns helped devlop the Peacekeeper ICBMs for the USA (back in 1972 tho the Company was taken over till the 1990s) so we have the know how to devlop them, also the UK has mutiply nuclear missiles that the Corporation owns (sub based Tridants) Plus the Corporation started its Nuclear Shield and Responce Program that is now being scraped after signing the ABM treaty its now just a Retaliation program.

Plus anyone who owns parts of the US, Russia, China, India, Pakistan and North Koria would have some form of nuclear weapons, be it nuclear bombs missiles warheads or what ever.

Why are we useing nuclear weapons..thats easy small low yeld Kt Tactical nuclear weapons can wipe out a military base or maby a small army thats trying to invade our nation. Self defence mainly..with a tiny offence, my Nuclear weapons wouldnt be used unless needed (eg, if i have no hope of winning a battle for my homeland and i can wipe out much of the enemy force with a Tactical Strike befor they get to me, it wont stop the invasion but it shore as hell delay it and show people we maby have our backs to the walls but if we're going down it will cost you more then us).

Plus i was also going to reintoduce the STARS treaties so that Nuclear Disarment to a less then world destroying level.

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IC:

Leaked Report
The Corporate States to form the United Nation Allaince

The Corporate States Has decided to help maintain world peace it can not do it alone, for this reason the Corporate States is Froming the United Nation Allaince. The Corporate States knows that a peaceful world is a world with no barriers, this from a reported leaked from a unknown sorce.

All Members of the UNA are grated Free and Open trade between each member, Tax of UNA member goods is to be no more then 3% on goods value with the untimate goal is to drop it down to 0% within 3 years.

A non Agression pact will be signed by all members.

A nations sovereignty is there own no alliance member may enforce anything apon a nations Sovereignty.

All knew Allaince Laws must pass with a 2:1 vote, Point 4 over rules Point 3, only Alliance Laws.

No member may enters anothers sovereign waters or lands with out express permission even in times of war.

All Members will hand over control of atlest 10,000 Men and Women into the UNA Peacekeeping force, this will be under the control of the UNA secruity Council.

The UNA Security Council will be made up of 3 perminate nations (The Corporate States, Rolatia if signs and Water Endor if signs), the other 3 will be picked by popular vote of 2:1.

The UNA members have free right of war between members but no other UNA member may interfear with such a war, the UNA Security council can enforce a temporay cease fire to settle problems at table. At any time that the Secuirty Council feels its needed with a vote of 3:1 UNA peacekeepers will be sent to enforce peace.

Nations have the sovereignty to leave as they will

OOC: I'd like to point our your nuclear strategy is exactly why your earlier argument of MAD was in place. Other than that, I must say I like your UNA treaty a lot more than the previous one, and you can be sure Solux will be vying for one of the council spots, I assume you want active members on it right?

IC:
Leaked Report:
The Solux Empire

Sources have said that Emperor Volsky is vying for a seat on the UNA security council, solidifying the Solux Empire's position as a international power. The source could not be contacted for further information.

IC
ROLATIA AGREES TO JOIN UNA
Rolatia has today shocked many by joining the United Nations Alliance. When asked why, as this seems to interfere with Rolatia diplomatically in many respect, Prime Minister Joseph Edwards replied "This is a chance to stop global war from ever happening. The alliance clause is a slight hiccup, but I am sure that in most cases this will not be a problem." Rolatia announced prior to the signing that they had confirmed a full alliance with Pax Pacis

OOC:My "Nation" is a MegaCorporation, One of the company it owns helped devlop the Peacekeeper ICBMs for the USA (back in 1972 tho the Company was taken over till the 1990s) so we have the know how to devlop them, also the UK has mutiply nuclear missiles that the Corporation owns (sub based Tridants) Plus the Corporation started its Nuclear Shield and Responce Program that is now being scraped after signing the ABM treaty its now just a Retaliation program.

Plus anyone who owns parts of the US, Russia, China, India, Pakistan and North Koria would have some form of nuclear weapons, be it nuclear bombs missiles warheads or what ever.

Why are we useing nuclear weapons..thats easy small low yeld Kt Tactical nuclear weapons can wipe out a military base or maby a small army thats trying to invade our nation. Self defence mainly..with a tiny offence, my Nuclear weapons wouldnt be used unless needed (eg, if i have no hope of winning a battle for my homeland and i can wipe out much of the enemy force with a Tactical Strike befor they get to me, it wont stop the invasion but it shore as hell delay it and show people we maby have our backs to the walls but if we're going down it will cost you more then us).

Plus i was also going to reintoduce the STARS treaties so that Nuclear Disarment to a less then world destroying level.

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IC:

Leaked Report
The Corporate States to form the United Nation Allaince

The Corporate States Has decided to help maintain world peace it can not do it alone, for this reason the Corporate States is Froming the United Nation Allaince. The Corporate States knows that a peaceful world is a world with no barriers, this from a reported leaked from a unknown sorce.

All Members of the UNA are grated Free and Open trade between each member, Tax of UNA member goods is to be no more then 3% on goods value with the untimate goal is to drop it down to 0% within 3 years.

A non Agression pact will be signed by all members.

A nations sovereignty is there own no alliance member may enforce anything apon a nations Sovereignty.

All knew Allaince Laws must pass with a 2:1 vote, Point 4 over rules Point 5, only Alliance Laws.

No member may enters anothers sovereign waters or lands with out express permission even in times of war.

All Members will hand over control of atlest 10,000 Men and Women into the UNA Peacekeeping force, this will be under the control of the UNA secruity Council.

The UNA Security Council will be made up of 3 perminate nations (The Corporate States, Rolatia if signs and Water Endor if signs), the other 3 will be picked by popular vote of 2:1.

The UNA members have free right of war between members but no other UNA member may interfear with such a war, the UNA Security council can enforce a temporay cease fire to settle problems at table. At any time that the Secuirty Council feels its needed with a vote of 3:1 UNA peacekeepers will be sent to enforce peace.

Nations have the sovereignty to leave as they will


OOC: What happened to the UN??

IC:

To: UNA Secretariat
CC: CorpSac, Rolatia, Warta Endor, SAA members
From: SAMO
Subject: UNA formation

It's necessary to say that the Luy Maran Ei of United Tribes Cacicate can't support such alliance. This is only a chance to imperialist and colonialist nations to control the world. Unless the UNA changes its position about Veto power to three permanent members, all UNA members will be declared enemies of State and will loose all rights over the Limited Amazon Forest and UTC's Space Stations.

SAMO hereby asks all SAA members to discard such alliance. Otherwise they will loose contact and relations with Brazil, Uruguay, UTC and Outer Space.

The Luy Maran Ei, since this day, apply for the formation of a single semi-socialist World Nation to be designed to the next years, where all live people will be able to vote and an Emperor-Morubixaba will rule the world together with the Parliament.

The Directorate of SAMO,
and The Chief House of the Luy Maran Ei

P.S.: This can mean the end of the SAA, but it will be necessary to eliminate the colonial and imperialist systems. All hail to the Humans!!!

OOC: I have nothing against Nukes. I'll sign your treaty if I think it's necessary. I'll just have to review it...

Pax Pacis is forming the new UN. It will be called the INP (International Nations of Peace). Here is the list of Nations already in:

Pax Pacis
Madagascar
Israel
Rolatia



OOC: if ya want in just post

ROLATIA STATES 'WE WANT TO JOIN INP'
Rolatia have today stated their intention to join INP, and are asking the UNA council whether they are allowed to. They are also ready to put a Clause 4, stating "This may cause problems in the future that will stop UNA membership by fuirther countries and perhaps cause Rolatia to pull out"

TO: UTC
Greetings,
We are not interested in severing ties with either the SAA or the UNA. We will stop any 'permanent member veto' clause to the best of our ability - we ask you, where is there such a clause? We cannot see one in there

OOC: Where is there a veto clause for permanent members? I cannot see one

OOC: Veto? no one has the power of veto yet, im working in the system for that (there will be a limited number of Vetos per person) and then putting it though the Vote with all members its to be fair to all, it the security council thing is just the leaders, 3 elected and the 3 founders.

i just noticed to, point 4 does not over rule point 5 it over rules point 3. Also this isnt an imperialist/Colonalist allaince its just the UN but more.........different.

OOC: Veto? no one has the power of veto yet, im working in the system for that (there will be a limited number of Vetos per person) and then putting it though the Vote with all members its to be fair to all, it the security council thing is just the leaders, 3 elected and the 3 founders.

i just noticed to, point 4 does not over rule point 5 it over rules point 3. Also this isnt an imperialist/Colonalist allaince its just the UN but more.........different.

OOC: Watch it with the vetos, I don't want to lose my allies in South America. And I'm ready to veto point 4 - I'm really not happy with that point

OOC: Clauses 4 and 7 are the ones I don't like. The 7th one, that says something about UNA Security Council having permanent membership. I think you based this in the real UN. There, the permanent members of the SC have veto powers. I don't like that. And I'll fight it. However, i'm not interested in joining any UN-like alliance. You know I am anti-colonialism...

IC: The Luy Maran Ei announces the first SAA conference to happen in its Headquarters in the city of São Paulo

After months (OOC: years??) of patience, the first SAA conference will occur in its HQ in the city of São Paulo (UTC). In the guideline it is announced that members will discuss the formation of some UN-like organizations over the world and a Free Trade Area Pact to be maken in South America. (OOC: Thread coming soon) (OOC: What is the current date? May I say it is February 13, 2021??)

To: INP
From: UTC Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Greetings,

It's with pride that the government of the Luy Maran Ei announces that the nation won't join the INP. However, the Luy Maran Ei wants to make a Peace and Military Pact between both organizations (UTC and INP).

Thanks,
Arnaldo Rosas,
Vice Foreign Minister of UTC

OOC: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UN??? DOES IT STILL EXIST???

OOC: Clauses 4 and 7 are the ones I don't like. The 7th one, that says something about UNA Security Council having permanent membership. I think you based this in the real UN. There, the permanent members of the SC have veto powers. I don't like that. And I'll fight it. However, i'm not interested in joining any UN-like alliance. You know I am anti-colonialism...
OOC: I'm completely anti-total veto like there is in the RL UN (where if even ONE permanent member disagrees then it fails. To my knowledge, it's 5 permanent members and 10 rotating members, and all propositions needs to be approved by the permanent members and 4 of the rotating ones. Incidentally, this means that the permanent members have NINETY-EIGHT percent of the power by game theory - and 100% in practice) so I agree with you on clause 7 to an extent of RL UN Council 'democracy' and most definitely on clause 4
I don't quite understand the anti-colonialism stance here. I am totally anti-colonialism but I don't see a problem here...Besides, this is coming from the 'World Nation' guy :p
Oh, and the UN disbanded sometime in 2005-2020 and NATO (and presumably the Warsaw Pact - does that still exist IRL???) too

ROLATIA TO PROTEST CLAUSE 4 AND 7
Rolatia have announced they reject clause 4 and 7 in the UNA treaty. They have stated "Clause 4 is an intrusion on diplomatic freedom, and clause 7 is better but raises doubts over similarity to the former UN council - permanent members had virtually all the power, and even though WE are a permanent member we want some reform over the un-democratic problems". Rolatia is famed for its high democratuc values across the globe

OOC: a World Nation would solve problems like social and ethnic conflicts. However, it wouldn't be a colony under my rule...
And Warsaw Pact, please correct me if I am wrong, is the NATO-like socialist pact, right?? It declined together with the USSR...

IC:

To: Pax Pacis
CC: Warta Endor, CorpSac Corporation
From: SAA HQ

Greetings,

Your nations were invited to join the first SAA reunion in its HQ in the city of São Paulo in the following days, be there.

SAA command

OOC: Thread on SAA and its reunion here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9978031#post9978031

OOC: I think the Warsaw Pact was a communist treaty between the USSR, the Balkans and East Germany. The World Nation is a half-decent idea but Rolatia is isolationist in domestic policy (far from it in diplomacy and trade though) and prefer to establish their own system and policies

OOC: that is the major problem. Nations are still worried about loosing influence and power while they "control" others. That is why a World nation will take more than 50 years to be prepared, like the EU...

OOC: A World Nation is an intrusion on the right of a nation to manage themselves as they want - I don't want to be joined with a lot of countries with totally different systems, cultures, freedoms etc. I'm pro-diversity in a nation but I believe a nation should keep their own ways of government and tradition - this is the key reason I'm anti-LibDem in Britain (because of their Euro intergration policies). And what if the government becomes un-democratic and oppressive? I better just get on track...Take it to the OOC History forum :D

OOC: well I am un-democratic, actually, I try to do the best to the people even being dictatorship. I'd go to the forum, but not now...

Jerusalem was bombed and now a Israel is a protectorate of Pax Pacis for all that did not see the thread

bump

bump
No bumping!
Where's the link to that thread?

OOC: I was wondering about that too...

I found it:
Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455454)
I'm going to have to cinsider 'legalizing' that carefully. I mean, he wrote about five lines of text for taking an entire country - that's pulling a Kraven (:P). UntiL I decided, that is UNRECOGNIZED

OOC: Watch it with the vetos, I don't want to lose my allies in South America. And I'm ready to veto point 4 - I'm really not happy with that point


Do you even know what point 4 does? it means if the an alliance member propses a law like Reinstatment of the geneva convention and it gets 2nd by another it goes to the vote, then if it passes the vote it becomes law. the geneva convetion would have to be followed by all members (even me). Plus you cant Veto current laws, thats not what a VETO is.

Oopsy, didn't realize that (it's rather poorly worded and looks like it says 'all alliances must be approved') . No objections to point 4 anymore.
And I woulid have probably pulled out, or commence ignoring it completely

I could always assist in setting up the UNA. I have experience with various aspects of creating governments, and I'm used to researching insane amounts of material for my own posts anyway.

And I'd have to agree with Rolatia, that post is not only short, but it is poorly written and somewhat confusing. Plus I must protest the "atheist radicals" part, never have I heard about an atheist going on a religious war being they don't believe in religion. I'd need some explanation to believe that.

REWRITE OF THE UNA TERMS TO MAKE IT CLEARER
(OOC: Just fixing all the misspellings, bad capitalizations and confusing wording. Oh, and CorpSac' s given me an idea for an alliance law...)


All members of the UNA are to be granted free and open trade between each member. Import taxes on UNA member goods is to be no more then 3% of the goods' value with the ultimate goal is to drop this down to 0% within 3 years.
A non-agression pact will be signed between all nations
A nation has the right to govern as they wish - no alliance member has the right to force anything on any other nation
All new international laws inside the alliance must pass by a two-thirds majority. This point overrules point 3
No member may enter another members' land, territorial waters or airspace without express permission by the member's government
All members will contribute at least 10,000 men to join an UNA peacekeeping force
The UNA Security Council will be made up of 3 permanent members (CorpSac, Rolatia and Warta Endor (not yet joined)) and 3 rotating members determined by UNA vote
The UNA members have free right of war between members, but no other UNA member may interfere with such a war. The UNA Security Council can enforce a temporary cease fire to settle problems at table. At any time that the Security Council feels it is needed, UNA peacekeepers will be sent on a 3:1 majority
Nations have the right to leave at any time

being nackered and being dyslexic kinda screw about my spell....i see words sometimes but i dont write them (if you get what i mean, like i could see on the screen I am God of the Universe, when i really wright something like I ma God the Universe). Its a pain in the ass (i know trust me).

REWRITE OF THE UNA TERMS TO MAKE IT CLEARER
(OOC: Just fixing all the misspellings, bad capitalizations and confusing wording. Oh, and CorpSac' s given me an idea for an alliance law...)


All members of the UNA are to be granted free and open trade between each member. Import taxes on UNA member goods is to be no more then 3% of the goods' value with the ultimate goal is to drop this down to 0% within 3 years.
A non-agression pact will be signed between all nations
A nation has the right to govern as they wish - no alliance member has the right to force anything on any other nation
All new international laws inside the alliance must pass by a two-thirds majority. This point overrules point 3
No member may enter another members' land, territorial waters or airspace without express permission by the member's government
All members will contribute at least 10,000 men to join an UNA peacekeeping force
The UNA Security Council will be made up of 3 permanent members (CorpSac, Rolatia and Warta Endor (not yet joined)) and 3 rotating members determined by UNA vote
The UNA members have free right of war between members, but no other UNA member may interfere with such a war. The UNA Security Council can enforce a temporary cease fire to settle problems at table. At any time that the Security Council feels it is needed, UNA peacekeepers will be sent on a 3:1 majority
Nations have the right to leave at any time


OOC: I am against point 7. However, I don't plan to join so...

EDIT: Rolatia, do you plan to send a delegate to the SAA reunion?? What about you, Jagonia and Nistolonia?? The guests I invited??

OOC: I am against point 7. However, I don't plan to join so...

EDIT: Rolatia, do you plan to send a delegate to the SAA reunion?? What about you, Jagonia and Nistolonia?? The guests I invited??

OOC: then i would take it your against the real UN they have the same thing.

IC:

Corporate responce to Invite

It was a busy press confrence, lights flashing from the cameras and lots of chatter. At the front was Kayla behind her was the Corporate States Creste, she waited then spoke at that point the room feel scilent.

"The corporate states today announce that it will not attend the Discussion, it wasnt a easy choice but we belive that what the SAA asks for go agenst the UNA policy on Trade aswell as other reasons. now i am willing to take questions"

Corporate states news

With such a delayed responce of Water Endor in acepting the invite to join the UNA the corporation has decided the best corse of action is to pick a new PSCM (permenate Security Council Member), with the only choice being Solux.

OOC: I am against point 7. However, I don't plan to join so...

EDIT: Rolatia, do you plan to send a delegate to the SAA reunion?? What about you, Jagonia and Nistolonia?? The guests I invited??

OOC: Of course, I'm sending my Prime Minister (man, he travels everywhere!)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9987400#post9987400

enjoy

OOC: then i would take it your against the real UN they have the same thing.

IC:

Corporate responce to Invite

It was a busy press confrence, lights flashing from the cameras and lots of chatter. At the front was Kayla behind her was the Corporate States Creste, she waited then spoke at that point the room feel scilent.

"The corporate states today announce that it will not attend the Discussion, it wasnt a easy choice but we belive that what the SAA asks for go agenst the UNA policy on Trade aswell as other reasons. now i am willing to take questions"

OOC: You guessed it. I think the UN is only trying to conquer the world. That's not the kind of "world nation" I want...

OOC: You guessed it. I think the UN is only trying to conquer the world. That's not the kind of "world nation" I want...
OOC: The UN needs to be watched carefully, and IMO so does the EU

OOC: The UN needs to be watched carefully, and IMO so does the EU

OOC: what is IMO?? I am thinking on International Monetary Organization, but I've never heard about this...

IC: The Luy Maran Ei wants observer status in the UNA

link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9987867&postcount=7

OOC: what is IMO?? I am thinking on International Monetary Organization, but I've never heard about this...

IC: The Luy Maran Ei wants observer status in the UNA

link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9987867&postcount=7
OOC: IMO=In my opinion

OOC: Of course, I'm sending my Prime Minister (man, he travels everywhere!)

OOC: It's still better than my many characters. I can't remember all. I'll have to research on them...

OOC: I have multiple characters too. Three have biographies (My PM, Vice PM and Chancellor) but my PM likes to go to all major international events :D

OOC: I have multiple characters too. Three have biographies (My PM, Vice PM and Chancellor) but my PM likes to go to all major international events :D

ooc: Well, I have many more. I have my Chieftain, many (MANY!!!) ministers that I don't remember, then I'll simply create more (new) ones, personnel from SAMO, and lots of others I can't remember now. And this is only for Earth VII. But none of them have biographies...

And I really think you shouldn't care about the UN, your country (UK), pratically controls it... :D

OOC: I don't consider the UN a threat, but I do consider it flawed. First it's Uber veto problem, and second for being a UN, it DENIES COUNTRIES ACCESS, that just pisses me off.

ooc. sorry for not posting guys, I've had a pretty bad flu.

ooc. sorry for not posting guys, I've had a pretty bad flu.

OOC: you were invited to participate of the first SAA meeting. See some posts ago in the previous pages please...

OOC: The UN needs to be watched carefully, and IMO so does the EU


The EU dont, once the EU is sorted it will rival the USA in meny ways. It will then stop the USA walking over anything and ignoreing all (tho i still cant belive it, the USA borrows money from China lol).

Anyway sos i didnt post last night i went to a party on friday, got home at 5pm yesterday and sleepted till 4am today.

oh have we worked out a date system yet? like using the one i offered or a different one

OOC: I was wondering about that too...

OOC: I think it's safe to say even if Jerusalem were bombed, israel woudlnt' cease to exist. My guess is anyone who wanted their territory would have to take it the heard way. Not to mention the Israeis tracking down the offending party and returnign the favor. ;)


Not to mention that bombing Jerusalem woudl set off a Jihad that makes Iraq look like a stroll in the park.

oh have we worked out a date system yet? like using the one i offered or a different one
Once New Preussen/Unidos is back in full swing, we'll use 1 week = 1 NS year with fluid time for wars, diplomacy, etc. (otherwise my troops would have been sitting in Venezuela for YEARS)

[Statement from Ernst von Thurn und Taxis, Foreign Minister, Kingdom of New Preussen.

New Preussen , in consultation with the German Government has major reservations about the proposed UNA. Particularly that the entity proposing it, and wanting permanent Security Council status
is CorpSec, which very recently saw fit to detonate thermonuclear devices in the Brazilian rain forest like so many firecrackers.

Then there is the matter of the unilateral intervention in Western Russia for 'peacekeeping'. It has been suggested in some circles this may have been for less than purely altruistic reasons.
Far be it from His Majesty's Government to suggest such a thing.

It seems odd that a quasi national entity , after engaging in two flagrant examples of 'cowboy diplomacy" suddenly has decided to create a ersatz UN. presumably giving itself considerable power and possibly veto power over resolutions. There is also the question of the possibly rival entity the INP.

The German government will, of course, make it's own decision. but for now it has requested observer status only,pending further development. We will follow a similar course.

end of statement.............................

Preussiche Welle, English Language service

' In Berlin there was considerable disagreement over whether the Federal Republic should participate in the 'UNA".
The sessions was notable for it's odd political alignments. The Green Party, as well as most left political parties are still outraged over CorpSec's actions in Brazil. They find themselves in agreement with those elements of the right which favor a more isolationist Germany and those who fear membership in the UNA would leave Germany even more vulnerable to threats from the East.

Support for the UNA does exist. however it tended to not divide along party lines.

The current CDU-SDP governing coalition is split. There are those who felt that some form of International government , with limited powers might be a step in the rebuilding of international trade, humanitarian,and peacekeeping efforts.

Supporters within the CDU ,and the Free Liberals conceded

'We would have a much easier time winning support had the organizing nation not been such a political lightning rod. and if it had a history of successful multilateral activities. With a solid background in smaller scale ventures, would have presented a much more acceptable image with established bona fides. ' said a CDU official speaking on background.

With no party having a solid ruling majority , radical departures form current policy are unlikely. In the end it was decided to request observer status, and to not completely rule out active membership at a later time. .

New Preussen had given no public statement on it's position. and clearly was going to wait until the German Government had made it's own decision.

Much now will turn on the actions of Rolatia, Germany is in the process of negotiating multilateral agreements which might also include Psychotika as well as New Preussen.
These will continue regardless of Germany's posture on the UNA.
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Sources within the Foreign Ministry indicate that attempts to improve relations with the Russian Chinese Alliance continue. and that New Preussen has suggested resuming the former US Lugar-Nunn program,, in which funds are provided for the safekeeping and proper disposal of former Soviet weapons of mass destruction, as well as providing job opportunities or stipends for former nuclear weapons specialists to prevent the temptation to sell their skills to the highest bidder

There are still many devices including nuclear and biological weapons stored in deteriorating facilities with poor security. Many of these weapons are earmarked for destruction under existing arms reduction protocols. It was also the Lugar=Nunn program which persuaded a number of former Soviet republics, including the Ukraine to give up the nuclear devices which came into their possession upon the collapse of the Soviet Union. in exchange for certain assistance and agreements
Ukraine wound up receiving part of the former Soviet fleet's ships. bolstering it's conventional strength. It suited Russian ais by not having nuclear armed neighbors. It also was a boon to a cash strapped govenrment.

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Statement from Director of the Corporate State

"for the benifit of the New Preussen Kingdom, our Missile and nuclear tests in Brazilian rain forest had stoped it and we are paying fully for the clean up and re-devlopment to the propper goverment to repair any damage may have been done.

With your concerns over Western Russia, yes our forces are on peacekeeping duties, with the Rise of the Solux Empire in china, the CRA/RCA is in a bit of trubble. We are currently makeing shore that Westen russia and Corporate Interests are protected, recent incress in attacks on Goverment and Corporate holdings our forces are needed. Even tho our troops have pritty much sealed the regions off from the rest of Russia are to stop rebels spreeding into the rest of russia and to prevent NBC weapons from being smuggled about. Its not going to be long until the Russia china Alliance curmbles away.

Alas with your concerns over the UNA, Currently a Veto system is currently under development, the system is to be fair for all and with current thoughts the ablity to only ever have the power of 1 veto at a time. Also the power of the SC is split at the moment 3 ways (soon to be 4 ways) but intotal it will be split 6 ways (3 perm members and 3 voted members). Our power in the SC is 1/6th just like any other member.

Also All members of the UNA will have a Veto ability and all ahve the power to put forwards new Laws and Revalutions. Besides the UNA is not a rebuilt UN it is just an allaince of United Nations."

so that means that 1 month is 14 hours if i work it out right.

Once New Preussen/Unidos is back in full swing, we'll use 1 week = 1 NS year with fluid time for wars, diplomacy, etc. (otherwise my troops would have been sitting in Venezuela for YEARS)

OOC: in this case one year by each month is better, than we won't have to look slow that everytime there is war...

OOC: in this case one year by each month is better, than we won't have to look slow that everytime there is war...
In that case it owuld be, but that's why it operates on fluid time. I'm still undecided but 1 year = 1 RL month may be slightly too slow. Hmm...
CorpSac: Almost. It'll probably be two months on most days and one on a couple

Pax Pacis has extended hands to the former US states. We have given them the chance to join Pax Pacis. The states that have joined are as follows: Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Massachusets. The states had their citizens vote on whether to join or not. Wisconsin and Illinois turned down the oppurtunity.

Pax Pacis has extended hands to the former US states. We have given them the chance to join Pax Pacis. The states that have joined are as follows: Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Massachusets. The states had their citizens vote on whether to join or not. Wisconsin and Illinois turned down the oppurtunity.

OOC: where the heck is the thread?? y do u like to be so n00b?? And, if there is no thread (which should), y are you posting just these little lines??

OOC: why the heck is the thread?? y do u like to be so n00b?? And, if there is no thread (which should), y are you posting just these little lines??
You have a point here. I'm getting pretty annoyed at Zactarn now. Zactarn, If you wants to absorb some states or something RP IT PROPERLY (this does NOT mean 5 lines of text!)

OOC: Sheesh people sorry. It's not like the topic would make a huge thread. Think about it. It would be a 2 page thread if that. I'm going to have a big military coup. A rebellion or two in the states and one in Israel. It's going to be big. Almost like a civil war but not quite.

OOC: beginning Dec 3. will definitely be offline (medical) approx 1-2 weeks. Hopefully wil be able to operate on a reliable basis until the 2nd.

OOC: Sheesh people sorry. It's not like the topic would make a huge thread. Think about it. It would be a 2 page thread if that. I'm going to have a big military coup. A rebellion or two in the states and one in Israel. It's going to be big. Almost like a civil war but not quite.

do what i do, start the thread give people the chance to get into it then after a few weeks wrape it up, my next post or 2 for the New Age will basicly mean ive own Westen russia.

Speech by the Director of the Corporate States

"People of the Corporate States, it is my saddend dutiy to inform you that at 12:05 am GMT three 2 megaton thermal nuclear warheads were detonated at 3 High threat level hardend nuclear missile silos. The warheads were ground burst producing more damage towards the silos with a less fallout range. The targets are reported to have been distroyed aswell as other nuclear silos and known tactical nuclear missiles, the reason for the use of nuclear weapons was the sheer fact that convetional weapons were out of range and thos deemed to be able to hit were unable to destroy the target, this was a preumpted attack on Russian Nuclear forces. As you all know our war in Westen russia has been running smothly and with the lack of progress on the russian part and fears that russian generals and goverment officals feel we are invading the whole of russia, the use of nuclear weapons on civilian targets was something we felt was unacceptable.
As of now we are offering the Russia China Allaince a peace treaty, we will pledge not to invade or cross the border of the new corporate States of Europa or help others in doing so, in return the RCA goverment accept the new Nation of Europa, formaly parts of Westen Russia and end any attempts to invade Europa.
We hope that the RCA will accept this treaty, we know that the RCA have trubbles in China with the Empire of Solux it would be like fighting a war on 2 fronts."

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map of Europa

Link:- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10004667#post10004667

OOC: For those who haven't been paying attention, I'll sum up what the overly lengthy thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452110) of mine will represent when it finally ends.
1. The Solux Empire will control all of Eastern China, and has already begun rebuilding the country.
2. Emperor Volsky will have approved for the production of gas coal power plant, and the first prototype hydrogen fueled vehicles will be on the field.
3. I will decided whether the "unknown" enemy in the thread suppling the resistance is the Russian/Chinese Alliance and whether East Russia will be a target.
4. I will make a news post fully implementing above mentioned items among others.

OOC: wow no one condeming me for the use of nuclear weapons again...i must be scary[/sarcy]

OOC: wow no one condeming me for the use of nuclear weapons again...i must be scary[/sarcy]
OOC: It's late, I'm tired and I'll look at all the news later

OOC: I was thinking about it, but can't think of a good way of condemning your actions without brining hostilities...so for now I'm going to do a political "I must not have been watching."

the joys of the inactive, nothing new happened so far.

OOC: what's happening?? everybody is inactive...

OOC: I don't know; I'm a little busy ATM with RL matters, and I expect a lot of other people too. I'm still constantly monitoring this thread however

OOC: I don't know; I'm a little busy ATM with RL matters, and I expect a lot of other people too. I'm still constantly monitoring this thread however
OOC: This is slowly dying. Anyway. I'm in school so Rolatia I'll be on AIM in like an hour, so if your not already get on.

OOC: Same as Rolatia, as well as helping with the finishing up and launch of the website in my sig (if it actually showed anyway).

well this is just to kick start an RP and get people active again i will pick the one thing that always starts a RP. Genocide or atlest reports of it, who ever starts the RP (just drop me a TG and i will inform you on whats what.)
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Genocide Reported on scale never seen befor since World War Two

With the recent capture and formation of Europa people from mainland England have been imigrating to the new lands. as meny know the population on Mainland england is over 2 Billion and the land is now nothing more then a massive ciy.

Europa on the other hand has much greenland and open fields, this is a change to the constant sences of metal and towering buildings (and i some places no sun light in the under city).

the problem is that the local population of Europa, when the Corporate states took they promissed each person citizenship. This tho hasnt happened to most of the population, infact the only ones who have been grated it were the Rich, Scientists and other important people.

Reporters have been banned from europa until the region is stable but the few brave reporters who had managed to get in and smuggle out the stories. What is shown now may upset meny people.

Images of The corporate Security Force 3rd Army arresting people, being Death Squads, beatings, Death camps manned by the CSF 3rd army with 1000s of people under feed and barely clothed.

As your can see the CSF, the elite shock troopers of the Corporate states military, clearing killing, maiming, raping, beating and worse normal civilans. Even tho the Corporate States has allowed over 2 million cross the borders into the russia (all seeming to be singing song and prise for the corporate states on how they were treated) meny have lost contact with there families.

The director has stated at a press confences moments ago "this is a matter that must be investergated and i will do this personaly. i will be going to Europa at the end of the week with a team that will investitgate the matter, if it found that the 3rd army is abuseing its postion justice will be dished out. If its found that this is just a hoxes the corporate States will sue the News stations and news papers that have slandered the good name of the corporate States. We have done much for the world, even to this day we pay more then the standard prices for products in 3rd world nations and given massive help to these nations in local devlopment. Even now the corporate states is drawing up a treaty to be put forward to the UNA for standard trade prices between the UNA members and soon it will put forward a treaty that will open fair trade to the SAA."

From the stories from the reporters who got out from Europa have reported that so far over one and a half million people have been killed with another half a million reported missing and asumed dead.

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