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The Conference on Kosovo shall be held in Sarajevo, Yugoslavia. These talks concern peace-keeping in the region and Kosovo's future. Delegates from Albania, Russia, France and all concerned parties are invited to attend.

Talks are also underway in the Eastern European Conference (although of a different nature).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443960&page=1

The Albanian delegates arrive at the conference. They are the Minister of Foreign Affairs Kastriot Xhafa and Elisa Noli, the illegitimate daughter of President Fan S. Noli and his personal secretary (20 years old).

The Union representatives will be Aleksandr Kerensky, Aleksandra Kollontai, and Pavel Milyukov, along with a couple dozen constitutional lawyers and various officials from the "nationalities" (Armenians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Georgians, etc.) to testify as experts on minority affairs.

Parliament sends Josip Broz Tito(Slovene/Croat), and Alexandre Petrovic(Macedonian) as their representatives, more for their political attitudes towards the Russians than their ethnicity.

Yvon Delbos, France's Minister of Foreign Affairs will be attending the conference, alongwith several delegates and other advisors.

The Teutonic Order state supports the Kosovo Conference, but where are the representatives of Serbia?! Kosovo is legitimate part of Serbia, so it would be fair enough if there is an official or delegation from Serbia.


Teutonic Hochmeister

Hermann II von Malberg

The Teutonic Order state supports the Kosovo Conference, but where are the representatives of Serbia?! Kosovo is legitimate part of Serbia, so it would be fair enough if there is an official or delegation from Serbia.


Teutonic Hochmeister

Hermann II von Malberg

Closed E20 mate sorry.

The Most Serene Republic of Tungoosia plans to participate in the conference about Kosovo. We are glad to inform you that Sarajevo is no more in Yugoslavia but in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Our delegation of 120 members will be leaded by:
-The Most Serene President of the republic Joseph-Mark Affengunz
-Prime Minister Janos Janssen
-Minister of Foreign Affairs Dr. Rupert Dimitrovich - Dimsy



Paloma Coockooroockoocoo
P.R.

Like I said above, this is closed E20 RP, sorry.

This is getting ridiculous. If it happens again I'm starting a new Thread.

OOCL This RPG is closed. it is for Alternate History: 1900-200. Sign up thread is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002).

What I'm going to propose is just a Charter of Minority Rights, based on official language recognition and instruction, illegality of discrimination, a hate crimes law (including incendiary or intimidating speech), guaranteed right to vote and freedom of conscience. Maybe affirmative action. And economic aid and development in the region.
No extraterritorial rights at all. No dual citizenship. A closed border. Moscow's position is that Yugoslavia's existence is based on multiculturalism and if that principle is violated by any ethnicity then measures must be taken to restore it forcefully, since the ethnic mix of the Balkans is too jumbled and commingled to allow for the principle of ethnically-based statehood. Serbs and Croats and Greeks and Bulgarians and Magyars and Jews and Turks might all live side-by-side on a single street somewhere. Whose country ought that to be?
The Albanian argument that Kosovo is Albanian simply because Albanians live there is effectively without merit under the Balkan conditions of ethnic commingling. Moscow will not be moved from that stance by any Albanian arguments, though whatever the Yugoslavs may wish to allow in excess of Moscow's position is their business.
Otherwise, as it says in the title, I'm gone for the day, and most of tomorrow as well, though I'll check in when I can.

Kastriot Xhafa advocates that Kosovo be separated from the Federal Republic of Serbia and become its own Federal Republic within the Yugoslavian Federation. He bases his arguments on "the indisputable fact that Kosovo and Serbia are completely different. The Serbian Federal Republic has also mismanaged Kosovo horribly, it being the poorest place in Yugoslavia."

He proposes that after the province is stabilized and the refugees returned that a vote be held whether Kosovo remain part of Serbia or become its own Federal Republic.

OOC: Looks like Kosovo is popular among non Earth 19-20 RP's. I’ve made its closed nature a little more clear. Also could Yugoslavia give details on what being a Federal Republic would entail and what privileges they have.

The KLA dispatches a message through the Yugoslavian Embassy in Albania. It demands to be allowed to send a delegate to represent the Republic of Kosova and make it's demands clear.

The KLA dispatches a message through the Yugoslavian Embassy in Albania. It demands to be allowed to send a delegate to represent the Republic of Kosova and make it's demands clear.
Milyukov speaks forcefully, stabbing the air for emphasis.
"Russia will not sit at the same table with terrorists.
"We made that abundantly clear in 1908, and nothing has changed since then. Tirana may speak with whomever they wish, but we will concede no legitimacy to this rebellion by restoring to them the dignity they have forfeit by their criminal actions.
"It is one thing to rise up for the cause of democracy. It is quite a different matter entirely to call an ethnic pogrom a 'Revolution.'"

Kollontai adds, "There is no evidence for the argument that 'Kosovo and Serbia are completely different.' Does Tirana regard Vlone and Shkoder as different 'countries' simply because the one is Tosk and the other Gheg? You speak of the land as though it is something in and of itself alien to Serbia. The people living there may be Serbian or not, but the land is historically the property of the Serbian polity.
"However, the question of whether or not to allow the province a different status from what it now possesses is for Sarajevo and Beograd to decide, not for Moscow. Nor Tirana."

"Agreed in principle, but what should be done about them? As my government has stated military action is not an option..." Kastriot Xhafa remarks.

At hearing the Russian remarks about Kosovo being the "historically the property of the Serbian polity" Elisa Noli sarcastically remarks. "Yes, the Serbian polity’s policies are what have made Kosovo such a great place to live. I agree fully."

"Agreed in principle, but what should be done about them? As my government has stated military action is not an option..." Kastriot Xhafa remarks.

At hearing the Russian remarks about Kosovo being the "historically the property of the Serbian polity" Elisa Noli sarcastically remarks. "Yes, the Serbian polity’s policies are what have made Kosovo such a great place to live. I agree fully."
Milyukov leans forward and replies, "It's not like anyone's forcing the Albanians to live there."

"None of us choose where we were born or how. In a way we were forced into existence. I for one was born in Egypt. And I thought the Union was above 'love it or leave it arguments'. Elisa Noli remarks.

Milyukov leans back in his chair and grins. Glancing to his Left, at his two much younger colleagues, he replies crustily, "The Union may be above such 'reactionary' notions as patriotism, but I am not some damned internationalist Communist. I am a Constitutional Democrat. A Russian, by the grace of God.
"And in any case your personal history only serves to strengthen my point."
He leans in again.
"Why aren't you in Egypt still? Why aren't you an Egyptian?"

"I assume I was a citizen of the Ottoman or British Empire at the time. Albania had only been independent at that point for about one to two years. I left Egypt for America with my father when I was still a young child. We returned to Albania, like many others, when Turkhan Pasha began the peace process and the formation of a new government."

(brief pause)

"Tell me why is not the Union one monolithic power? How many Social Democracies is the Union composed of? On what basis does a section of the Union qualify as a Social Democracy?... And, Milyukov is it, would you die for your country?"

"Are you impugning my honor? I, who stood at the Speaker's Podium in 1913 holding a knife at my own throat while I pled for the lives of Bloody Nikolai's daughters and his wretched weakling of a son?"

Milyukov stands, bristling.

"If you were my daughter I'd -"

Kollontai also stands, and lays her hand lightly on the old historian's shoulder. His eyes narrow at the young Albanian, but he slowly sits back down.

Kollontai also returns to her chair, and regards Noli impassively for a moment.

"Judgments were made in accordance with the Basic Law as to which states received what status. It is recognized even by my own Party's leadership [OoC: Kollontai is a Social Democrat, the hardest Left of the Union's political parties] that while nationality is something that must be transcended if Mankind is to progress, nevertheless it has served as an organizing principle of human society for a very long time. The strength of tradition must be broken, but then again we must be intelligent about it.

"I am Ukrainian, myself. But what does that really mean? When I was born I was called a 'Malorossiskaya,' a Little Russian, since the Tsarist Government at that time didn't recognize Ukrainian culture or history as anything other than a subset of the Russian people. Our language was considered merely a dialect of the Russian.

"Yet who is to say that such a view is not the more correct? Are we all not descended from a common stock? Is it not reasonable to suppose that our ancestors, fresh out of the trees, may once have had but one common tongue among them?

"But to return to your question, the decisions were undertaken in accordance with procedures outlined in the constitution, and decisions were made chiefly on historical bases, as well as linguistic and organizational ones. In all cases, however, autonomy was conceded only in those areas which sought it peacefully and legally.

"Were precisely the same principles to be applied, 'Kosova' would fail the test. Moreover, Tirana must answer satisfactorily the question of whether, if Kosovo were allowed autonomy, it would be permanently satisfied with that. Or if, perhaps, autonomy in this case is simply a stepping stone to annexation.

"Tirana's inabilities to control its own revanchists do not bode well for the answers to those questions."

Noli smiles at Milyukov's response. "Patriotism by any other name is still patriotism, you will never get rid of it." Turning to Kollontai. "We will see if you are able to build Babel."

Kastriot Xhafa steps in. "The Kosovo Albanian's sought independence peacefully and legally until the Serbian violence and government crack-down began. The majority of Kosovo would be satisfied with becoming a Federal Republic within the Yugoslavian Federation. Kosovo, as has been pointed out, has significant ethnic, linguistic, religious, and cultural differences from Serbia. If a vote on autonomy were held today, it would win 60% approval even with 20% of the ethnic Albanian population displaced."

Noli interrupts. "This is a time for solutions, not ideology."

Tito stood and made his nations thoughts clear. "Serbia will be given the chance to decide whether they want Kosovo to vote or not. They will probably deny such a thing, but we will give them the chance all the same."

"Also, we will not accept KLA delegates, nor do we have to accept anything the Albanian government asks, as we are here to discuss the minority rights of the Albanian people."

"We wish Albania would be more cooperative in their side of this crisis though, if they want any bargaining points they are not doing a very good job of it by protecting the KLA from the French, and this is just making Yugoslavia even more frustrated with the Albanians. If Albania has any reasonable demands we would like to hear them though."

Noli stands up. She has an orderly pass out a poster. "There are currently 88,000 refugees in Albania, driven there by Serb violence. The Tropoje and Has Districts, where most of them are, had a previous combined population of 15,000. That is an order the central government sent out through the northern districts. You see what it says, 'Food supplies are low, save food by eating less'. It is ridiculous to think we can keep order in the area when all our forces are trying to prevent famine. Here's a reasonable demand, let the refugees return!"

Kerensky speaks for the first time.

"People deserve to return to their homes. But people also deserve justice and safety. The French Army could help the refugees where they are, if only Tirana would allow it. They could return to their homes once the security issues have been dealt with in a final and fair solution."

"The Refugees cannot return to a warzone, they must be taken further into Albania where they can be safe, and fed. Yugoslavia will ship food to them by sea if need be, but the KLA must be dealt with, the homes in Kosovo rebuilt, and order re-established if they are to return!"

Noli explodes. "The peace-keepers are in Kosovo, all 50,000 of them! All our forces are stretched to the limit. There are no homes for them in Albania. You don't want them to return, your perfectly happy with the status quo created by the conflict! The only way order can be restored is if the refugees return. If that is not allowed not the present situation will remain."

"Make one more outburst like that and your nations input in this conference will be over, and you will be sent back to Albania. Maybe then you can start thinking about how best to facilitate your Ethnic people that you care so much about while we try to give them a safe place to return to, before the 10,000 dead Serbs turn into 10,000 dead Albanians. We have offered food, we have offered to get rid of the KLA, we have offered everything that is needed to "stabilize" the region, but you don't seem to want that. Make a refugee camp, we will send them food, we will send them blankets, we will give them everything they need until they have somewhere to return to, if you can't do that for your 'own people' i don't think you should have any say in their future."

A Red Army junior officer enters the room quietly, and hands a note to Kerensky, who reads it and sighs, then passes it to his Russian and Yugoslavian colleagues for them to read.

"I believe that Tirana's obstructionism is about to have its consequences, I'm afraid. We never objected to the return of the refugees, provided that Albania made allowances for the enforcement of law. You have consistently refused, on increasingly threadbare grounds, and I believe there is probably no more good that can be done here.

"Premier Bukharin is still mostly concerned about the grain situation in Ukraine, of course. But he is very serious about this sort of thing. I expect more Red Army divisions will be arriving shortly.

"I am glad, Miss, that you are willing to die for your country, for better that than that you should unwillingly die for it, which is what you undoubtedly condemned many of your people to do. What conscience you have, I hope, will not let you rest easy. Good-bye."

Kerensky and the other Russians stand, and walk out of the room.

Noli puts her head in her hands. "I never said I would die for my country. I don't really know, does anyone? We will allow the French peace-keepers to intervene to crush the KLA, but they will fail and many will die... So be it..."

The Russians will not return immediately, but the Fleet has been ordered to keep station in Turkish waters. Negotiations will resume shortly.

Yvon Delbos has been quietly watching all of this and finally speaks up after the Russians leave, "You say our troops will fail? I think we not. We have tanks, armored cars, planes, and the most modern weapons our factories can provide. We have steel helmets, cold weather gear, and a solid supply line. The KLA has no cold weather gear, few modern weapons, and virtually no supplies. They will either surrender, be killed, or die in the winter."

The French military attache is handed a note by an aide. He whispers to Delbos.

"I have just recieved word taht one of our divisions will be crossing the border with in the next few days, with or with out your blessing. I would advise your troops to stay out of our way. If it proves neccessary our commander has been authorized to call up another two divisions from France."

Tito turns to the Frenchmen, "You have our word that our troops won't cross the border while the French are trying to break about peace on the Albanian side of the border. We will hold our side and prevent the KLA from escaping into Yugoslavia. Such is the will of the people."

"You have our thanks. Would it be possible for us to make use of ny airplanes you have to help locate the rebels?"

he nods at the Albanian delegate, "The same is asked of you."

Kastriot Xhafa speaks.

"We wanted to kill them by a thousand cuts. But now we will have a war on our hands... We intend to offer the KLA an amnesty, citizenship and land for all members who disarm. A military solution is impossible."

Delbos looks annoyed, "Amnesty? And Land? Even for thoee who ordered the massacares and killings of civilians? You are insane! We have repeatedly offered them proper treatment if they surrender and you attmept to undermine our operations.The people who run your government truly are are fools and cowards."

A German representative stands.

"Indeed it is possible. Should it be necissary, the Left Hand, working with the French, is capable of placing a soldier for every man, woman and child in Albania. Should the Albanians desire this, it shall be so."

"What do you care what they do as long as they lay down their arms?"

"We care because some of them ordered attacks on defensless women and children! They ordered massacres! They will be brought to stand trial!"

"I do not see the Yugoslavians who burned the villages and communities along the border lining up before a judge! The leadership of the KLA will be delt with the Albanian way, the rest we will grant amnesty. If you had only agreed to let the refugees accross. Many KLA fighters would have deserted. We could have probably bought off the rest and then arrested the leadership. But no, everything has to be done in a flashy dramatic way."

"Where exactly did you expect us to shelter the refugees? In the ruins of ther villages? You claim that they are your people, so why have you done nothing to supply them? You could set up a temporary refugee camp until the crisis is resolved. But no. All you do is dither and sway back and forth, making excuese forthis and that. I have almost reached the end of my patience."

"We have made dozens of camps! We have 10,000 troops caring for them. We are trying to get Italian and Red Cross aid into the interior, by bad roads I might add. We are doing everything we can, we are not a rich country unlike the all mighty France! The refugees could be better cared for in Kosovo. They have families there, there were over 50,000 troops and aid could more swiftly arrive. The region were the refugees are now only had about 15,000 people before this whole mess broke out. It now has over 103,000 people, one nineth of our population!"

"You have our thanks. Would it be possible for us to make use of ny airplanes you have to help locate the rebels?"

he nods at the Albanian delegate, "The same is asked of you."

You have full use of our 1st Air Recon Wing, they are already flying over the border area so they are ready for your use. We hope that they will be adequate for your use in the destruction of the terrorist threat.

"We have no airforce."

"And what makes you think the Yugoslavian government is any better equipped to handle them then you Besides,the border area is a potential combat zone. I am warning you, stop trying to undermine us."

"We have made dozens of camps! We have 10,000 troops caring for them. We are trying to get Italian and Red Cross aid into the interior, by bad roads I might add. We are doing everything we can, we are not a rich country unlike the all mighty France! The refugees could be better cared for in Kosovo. They have families there, there were over 50,000 troops and aid could more swiftly arrive. The region were the refugees are now only had about 15,000 people before this whole mess broke out. It now has over 103,000 people, one nineth of our population!"

"Move the refugees to the better areas of the capital where supplies can actually get to them, or are you actually trying to make them suffer for your own goals? We have offered to send supplies but you have not taken them, we have offered to send them blankets but you refuse that! Instead you want to send them to the worse off area of Yugoslavia, where they would be attacked by the KLA, descriminated against by Serbs, and have NO WHERE to sleep. How would that be for the better? Their families aren't there to take care of them, they are in Albania with them. You should really think about what you are doing for your Ethnic peoples and determine if you are doing everything you can."

"Move them and have them destabalize the rest of the country?! And we did not refuse your offers of aid. Send those blankets, send the food. And the refugees are already in the line of fire thanks to the French peace-keepers! If you had allowed them to return the KLA would have been weakened severly. There was no way they would attack with the peace-keepers and winter having arrived. Yugoslavia wants Albania to fall into civil war so that you never have to let those people you booted out back!"

"The country is already destabilized because of the incompetance of the Albanian Government. If Albania is unable ot control its country, the Left Hand will find a replacement."

"Our capital, Tirana, has about 25,000 people, and it is one of the largest cities in the country! And the German ambassador as far as I'm concerned can go to hell. What does he know anyway, why is he here? Germany is sending no peace-keepers, nor would we accept them after such threatening remarks. It is also sending no aid. He just sits their making threatening statements..."

"I am here because I have vested interests in Albania and it is causing unrest in my backyard. We have spent resources connecting Albania to the rest of the continent. We also believe that should Albania continue to be unstable, the Italians will take advantage of that. Lastly, and most importantly, the workers of Albania are the ones being slain by these cowards. Thus, we are obligated to have in interest.

"It is also very irritating to hear such a small country insult someone as esteemed as I am. Continual insults and lack of regard for persons will require swift destruction of the Albanian Government and will be replaced by a more competant organization."

"Fine, destroy a government that was democraticaly elected by the people. Over-throw a President who recieved over 60% of the vote. That will show the world were Germany really stands! Why don't you instead use that shiny rail-road of yours and send us some aid!"

"Because we have seen where this aid goes: straight to the Rebels. However, if Albania would have allowed German Peacekeepers to correctly distribute the aid, aid would have flown in like water in a flood. However, as you have said, you would not allow German Peacekeepers. Thus I cannot send aid."

"The aid was distributed by Albanian officals! It did not go to the rebels, not directly anyway. And that is a moot point as the KLA is no longer in the border area. They are in the interior, and who knows what they are up to there..."

"It appears you still do not wish aid. Very well then. As the Russians have left, it appears that you no longer have any support. Unless you have anything of use to say, I must depart."

"The Russians will be back. What do you want me to say?"

"How about instead of making excuses and trying to undermine our efforts at returning stability to the region you actually work with us? One would almost think you want the KLA to terrorize the Serbs!"

"The KLA is in Albania now. It is not near the border nor is it attacking Kosovo. It is no longer any of your concern. And we are not about to let troops in from a country which has threatened to destroy our government!"

"So you are saying that simply because the KLA is using Albania as a base of operations they will not attempt to attack Yugoslavian civilians again? That is preposterous! Besides, the German prescense is only four battalions. They cannot possibly do any major damage."

"The KLA can no longer attack Yugoslavia and do the damage it did in August. The peace-keepers are there and the border tightly patroled. The French troops in Albania should just concentrate on keeping order in the north and helping the refugees. And we will not let the Germans in!"

OOC: Now that just sounds like Godmodding. Unless the government controls the rebels, which they would then be in deep shit, you can not dictate what the rebels can and cannot do/have.

"They are currently on their way to Albania. There is nothing you can say or do to stop it from happening. I would also like to add that as ong as the KLA exists it will be a threat to stability in the region. In a way, it is your fault for encouraging the ethnic Albanians to demand independence from Yugoslavia. You Reap waht you sow."

"The Albanian border guard will stop the Germans. And if the Germans do not stop they will be fired upon! We have fortifications near the trans-Euraisan rail-road for your information!"

"Rather unfortunately for you, they will be moving in along the disputed section of the border where our peacekeepers currently have control. We are tired of you refusing to co-operate."

"Then we will bring 30,000 Italian troops over to protect our government!"

"you will bring in 30,000 italian troops to protect yourself from 3,000 germans?"

OOC: Now that there sounds like a declaration of war.

IC: In light of recent threats of attack by the Albanian army, 30 Army Divisions, 100 Tanks, 100 Carrier Zeppelins, and 100 Gotha G bombers have been called up to mobilization. They are to mobilize in Southern Austria and have begun to prepare for destruction of the Albanian Capitalists who have been reported to be oppressing Yugoslavian workers. 20 Uboats from the Constanta base have also been called to the Mediterranean and have been sent to patrol the Albanian coast. Mobilization will be finished by the end of November.

OOC: Now bringing in Italians breaks your treaty of Neutrality. It would also cause Italy to become engulfed in a war which it can not win. I'm sure they don't want that.

"It is not a declaration of war! We have the right to decide who shall enter our country. The Germans have no legal authority and have threatened us! If the Germans insist on entering then we will bring in 30,000 Italian troops to protect Tirana and Vlore from German attack, not to attack the German forces. Is that clear!"

OOC: There have been 30,000 Italians mobalized in case of such an event since this whole mess with Kosovo started. Also Albania has no neutrality treaty, only a law which can be revoked by parliament is neccesary.

"Under Albanian law Russian troops cannot be allowed on to Albanian soil. Since the Germans are part of a Union with Russia, they are to be considered Russian!"

OOC: lol When did you make that law?

And that you don't have troops near the border is a load of bull crap. You just said you built forts along the Worker's Railroad.

i think he is referring to the law that Russia made him sign to keep the Italians out of Albania. And i don't know what he is talking about with these forts, as his forces(if he has any) in them would have just let the KLA walk by.

OOC: The Italians have been helping me establish fortifications in those areas for two years. However they currently have a skeliton crew. And they were built to stop/delay armies moving through the mountain passes, not groups of 100-200 rebels (who simply go around).

OOC: To stop cluttering the Yugoslavian thread I have created a thread about the current conflict in the Eastern Mountains. Link here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9732776#post9732776

Noli stands up. "We have gotten off subject." She points at the German ambassador; "Your troops stay out of our country!" She points at the French ambassador: "Do whatever you want to crush the KLA, we will carry out our own plans to get rid of them."

"Now can we get back to the subject of Kosovo please?"

Delbos replys coldly, "So, the bottom line is that you will not be assisting us in our efforts?"

"The bottem line is that we will not militarily be assisting in 'your efforts'. However we will seek to weaken the KLA by diplomatic means. Just try not to anger the local tribes too much, the last thing we need is a revolt on our hands!"

"Do whatever you want to crush the KLA, we will carry out our own plans to get rid of them."

That would, I assume, mean that you gave clearance for Union soldiers, acting under command of a French General, to assist the French in wiping out the KLA?

"No! It is illegal under Albanian law for Union troops to enter our territory. If you bring them over Parliament will revoke the law and we will bring over 30,000 Italian troops to protect Tirana and Vlore. How about you simply send some troops to Kosovo and free up the French peace-keepers there. And come to think of it, how about you send us some aid!"

"Under Albanian law Russian troops cannot be allowed on to Albanian soil. Since the Germans are part of a Union with Russia, they are to be considered Russian!"
OoC: The Workers' Army and the Red Army are still distinct as of this time in 1923, although the USDR and the German Workers' Republic have a joint Revolutionary High Command at Hamburg, just as they have a joint diplomatic Council at Warsaw. The two states are expected to have a unified military command structure by 1926. Full Union between the Russias and the Germanies is expected to occur sometime in the as-yet indefinite future.

So, no, German troops are not covered under that law, or shouldn't be. Italian troops, however, definitely are.

IC
Kollontai returns alone, and reads from a note in her hand:

"The Union's position is as follows. It is adamant, and there will be no further negotiation."

I. The Union will supply food, medical supplies, blankets, and shelter for displaced person in Albania, excepting those who have engaged in armed insurrection.

II. The disposition and status of Kosovo are entirely an internal matter for Yugoslavia to decide. There is nothing to negotiate. The Albanians were allowed to this Conference as advocates of their kinsmen, not as authorities to decide the policy of Sarajevo with regard to its own territory.

III. The same is true of the refugees. They will be allowed back in when the Yugoslavian Government decides to allow them back in. The Albanian delegates to this Conference would have done better to have remembered that and comported themselves accordingly. No external power shall compel Yugoslavia to allow them back in.

IV. Albania has not shown good faith with regard to the KLA. French and other peacekeeping forces will be allowed full and free rein to do whatever it takes, with whatever numbers are necessary, to re-establish law and order. Criminals will be brought to justice in the country where crimes were committed. There will be no appeasement of terrorists. It cannot be shown to future generations that murder is profitable.

V. The Union believes that the Albanian ethnicity deserves protection in Yugoslavia. Protection means basic rights of free citizens against discrimination oppression. It does not necessarily mean self-determination, and certainly not self-rule. It is Sarajevo's decision alone whether or not to extend that, in accordance with the principle of Yugoslavian sovereignty.
(Kollontai glances up, and says, "But I would not expect it after the way Tirana's representatives have 'bargained' at this table.")

VI. Albanian sovereignty is effectively voided by their inability to keep order within their own borders. Tirana should welcome the arrival of peacekeepers, who will bring stability where Albania's own security forces cannot provide it. The purpose of the French Army in Albania is to restore Albanian authority and sovereignty, not to violate it. Continued obstruction will be taken as irrefutable evidence of collusion, and dealt with accordingly.
(The corner of Kollontai's mouth twitches sardonically. "The Red Army is being mobilized even I speak.")

VII. If Italian troops are brought into Albania, this will be interpreted as an act of war in violation of both international and Albanian domestic law. It will be responded to in kind. Red Army troops will not enter Albania unless Italian troops do, or unless Albania makes it clear otherwise that war is at hand.
("I will also take this opportunity to note that the Workers' Army is not covered by Albanian law.")

"I hope this is clear enough. These points are not negotiable. They will be accepted, or the consequences will be terrible. Moscow does not fear the Italians. We do not fear the British or the Americans. We do not wish for war. We wish for peace, and brotherhood. Tirana has made arrogant demands upon Sarajevo and refused requests for access to troubled regions unil threats were made, and refused moreover to turn over criminals to duly-constituted justice. That is no way to mend fences. This is your last hope."

"As was stated earlier, our reports have shown that most of the aid given, eventually ends up in control of the rebels. Thus, we wish to send in our own soldiers to ensure the safety of the aid."

A German NCO steps in and wispers something in the ear of the diplomat.

"In light of the recent racist laws that the Albanian Parliament has placed against the peoples of the Union, the Worker's Railroad Union has declared the Albanian stretch of the Worker's Railroad to be closed until further notice. Thus, unless it is carried over the border, aid will not enter Albania, until Albania will cancel its grossly racist laws and allow Union soldiers to provide aid to the impovershed people of Albania."

An emergency session of Parliament amends the law to cover "German troops or countries which have intigrated themselves into the Warsaw Pact".

Parthini']"As was stated earlier, our reports have shown that most of the aid given, eventually ends up in control of the rebels. Thus, we wish to send in our own soldiers to ensure the safety of the aid."

A German NCO steps in and wispers something in the ear of the diplomat.

"In light of the recent racist laws that the Albanian Parliament has placed against the peoples of the Union, the Worker's Railroad Union has declared the Albanian stretch of the Worker's Railroad to be closed until further notice. Thus, unless it is carried over the border, aid will not enter Albania, until Albania will cancel its grossly racist laws and allow Union soldiers to provide aid to the impovershed people of Albania."

Noli points at the Russian delegates! "They demanded under threat of war that 'racist law', so yell at them about it. And most of the aid has not been given to the rebels, I would say very little as it was handed out by the Albanian Self-Defense Army, the Red Cross and Italian charities."

Noli sighs in a resigned manner. "We will accept all points, but we will not allow German troops into our territory as they have threatened us with over-throwing our Democratic Government. And if the KLA is to be broth to justice what of the Yugoslavians who murdered Albanians and destroyed whole settlements?"

Delbos points out that the ethnic Albanians killed wre attacking government troops. (Except for the unfortunate civilians caught in the crossfire.)

Noli mentions the 4,000 Albanians massicured after the rebel attacks, the mobs who attacked peaceful deminstrators, and Yugoslavian government ordering the dustruction of villages which at the time were peaceful.

"French troops, then. As many as are needed," Kollontai replies. "Remember, negotiations are over.

"As for Yugoslavian criminals, since they committed their crimes in Yugoslavia, against Yugoslavian citizens, they, as well as captured KLA terrorists, will receive justice in Yugoslavia. There will be international observers - including Albanians - to ensure justice is meted out fairly, but the uprising and reaction are internal matters to Yugoslavia.

"Again, this is non-negotiable."

Delbos sighs, "I think, however, that the rank and file of the KLA are simply discontent activists. THe fault lies with their leadership. Our forces have offered proper treatment to them if they surrender. However, any found to have commited a crime will be turned over to the Yugoslavians, Is that acceptable? I believe that this encourages them to treat any of our soldiers they capture humanely."

"The rebels have also commited crimes in Albania, we will have them tried here first, unless there is objection. Also why is it that we can not have amnesty for those not in the leadership, it would weaken them?"

"There are no more negotiations," Kollontai replies coldly. "Accept this and move on, or expect the consequences of your obstinacy."

Noli speaks through clenched teeth. "Fine. But you are inviting a blood bath. There is no reason to try to bring them all 'to justice'. You are just prolonging a conflict that could have been ended. All so you can throw your weight around. We are the government of Albania, we know how to manage our country, the French will regret not listening to us. As I said, fine, the French can do what they want."

Kollontai catches and holds Noli's gaze steadily.

"Though it seems you still do not understand that we are trying to help, I am nevertheless glad that you are at least beginning to appreciate the nature of your 'negotiating' position, advocate."

Kollontai sits down once more.

"Shipments of humanitarian aid and supplies to Albania and the Kosovar refugees will commence immediately.

"The following points must be decided upon by Yugoslavia. Since Yugoslavia has thus far shown coöperation and good faith, the Union is not presently applying any pressure to Sarajevo, though it may be known that Moscow has its own preferred outcomes in these matters.

"First, whether or not to allow the displaced Kosovars currently resident in Albanian territory back into the country, and if so, under what circumstances. Inasmuch as the Union's Special Tribunal presently believes most of them to have been innocent in the recent violence, Moscow sees no legitimate reason why they should be denied reëntry. Unless, of course, agitation by the KLA or the Albanian government has radicalized these unfortunates. Moscow believes that requiring a pledge of loyalty to the Yugoslav state under the circumstances is therefore not unreasonable.

"Secondly, there is the question of justice for criminals, both Serb and Albanian." Kollontai glances witheringly at Noli, and continues, "An amnesty is recommended for low-ranking recruits who are willing to forswear violence and pledge their loyalty to the Yugoslav state and the principle of multiethnic pluralism. While the Union's position is that Yugoslav justice must deal with these matters" - she looks again at Noli - "without foreign interference, nevertheless Sarajevo's justice, in order to be effective, must be seen to be above all possible reproach. Therefore the Union believes that the trials should be open to international observers from both the Balkans and from further afield. We specifically recommend Albanian, Greek, Turkish, Romanian, Hungarian, and Bulgarian observers, along with observers and legal advisers from France, Switzerland, Burgundy, Sweden, and, of course, the Union.

"Thirdly, there is the question of minority, and especially non-Slavic, rights in Yugoslavia. What they are to be, and how they are to be effectively protected, since clearly it was a breakdown of legal protection that precipitated the current difficulties.

"We do not believe that the long-term stability of the Yugoslav state would be well-served by the presence of an autonomous Federal Republic, based on Albanian ethnicity, constituted on the Albanian border. We believe that such a solution would only embolden those who would see 'Kosova' detached from Sarajevo and wedded to Tirana. The Union cannot, therefore, recommend this course of action as a viable one, or one which is in the interests of any party here" - she looks at Noli again - "except perhaps the KLA." She smiles tightly, and continues.

"The Union believes the same may be said of any solution which concedes political autonomy to Kosovo i Mitohija at the present time. The Union is willing to work with the Yugoslavs to establish effective guarantees for minority rights - cultural, social, and civil. The Union, in principle, is willing to accept input [OoC: How the hell did they say "input" in the 1920's? It's too early for me to think properly . . .] from Albanian advisors on the matter so long as they understand that minority rights are to be construed as pertaining to the treatment of individual citizens, not the treatment of an ethnicity as a class. This distinction must be recognized and conceded by the Albanians before the Union can recommend their involvement."

Kollontai turns to Tito.

"This is Moscow's perspective concerning Sarajevo's affairs. The Federation, of course, is free to formulate and implement its own policies, but these positions reflect Moscow's concerns with the current Balkan situation."

Tito nodded, "These are acceptable, and i am sure that peace and equality will reign again. As for the "Killings of Albanian citizens" i propose that low ranking enlisted personel be held to the same standard as low ranking KLA members. That would be our only addition to your offered policy everything else will be taken into usage."

Kollontai smiles sincerely at the bespectacled Yugoslav.

"I am glad we can make progress."

An orderly enters and hands Noli a note. She looks it over. "We are sending the refugees who want to return back, whether the Yugoslavians like it or not. As has been pointed out they are Yugoslavian citizens and a Yugoslavian internal affair. We are in other words deporting them, Yugoslavia cannot legaly stop the return of it's own citizens... And when it comes to observers we demand that the Italians take part as well, they being less then 100 kilo. from our coast."

After a brief pause. "Some of the KLA are Albanian citizens who have not broken Yugoslavian law, the peace-keepers should they capture them are to send them to us! And just to nitpick bringing in Italian troops would be a violation of Albanian domestic law, not international law. And as far as you being in Albania to help , you are only making things worse. Albanians are still be killed in Kosovo while you chase the KLA through the mountians."

"Any KLA members arrested that commited crimes against Yugoslavia will be held accountable IN Yugoslavia. Also, no refugee will be allowed to cross the border back into Yugoslavia until they are cleared(OOC: I would guess about 50% would be cleared) and have homes to return to. That is final."

"They are crossing the border and that is final! Shoot them then, that will show the world how much you care."

"Do you have a problem with your ethnic people? Do you not care for them? You must want them to feel pain to keep sending them to places that they cannot be cared for! We will solve this the way Albania wants us too though..." Tito waves over an attendent and whispers in his ear something then he leaves.

"What Albania is suggesting is horrible and inhumane. A government's duty is to protect its people, and if the Albanian government does not wish to do this, it should be replaced."

Amestria']An orderly enters and hands Noli a note. She looks it over. "We are sending the refugees who want to return back, whether the Yugoslavians like it or not. As has been pointed out they are Yugoslavian citizens and a Yugoslavian internal affair. We are in other words deporting them, Yugoslavia cannot legaly stop the return of it's own citizens... And when it comes to observers we demand that the Italians take part as well, they being less then 100 kilo. from our coast."

After a brief pause. "Some of the KLA are Albanian citizens who have not broken Yugoslavian law, the peace-keepers should they capture them are to send them to us! And just to nitpick bringing in Italian troops would be a violation of Albanian domestic law, not international law. And as far as you being in Albania to help , you are only making things worse. Albanians are still be killed in Kosovo while you chase the KLA through the mountians."

Delbos speaks up, "The KLA is the problem. Once they are eliminated we can stabilize the region. Furthermore, the refugees cannot re-enter Yugolsavia as of yet. It is your responsibility to house and feed them until the crisis has been taken care of. France is willing to supply you with food, shelter, and clothing to distribute to the refugees. If you refuse, we will be forced to withdraw French investments in Albania and raise tariffs on Albanian goods."

He pauses, then continues, "Elements of your government have persisted in calling for an independent Kosovo as they are ethnic Albanians. Since you conider them your people you will take care of them until such a time as they can return to Yugoslavia,"

Delbos then turns to the Yugosalvian representative, 'We hope that this crisis will not result in any backlash against the ethnic Albanian community in Yugoslavia."

"Kosovo is flat you idiots! Albania is mountainous. You can get aid more quickly to them if they are in Kosovo, there will also be more troops to care and protect them. The suggestion that Yugoslavia cannot provide for them is &$#&."

Delbos voice raises, "Keep a civil tounge in your head! The dispute is not over wether or not the Yugoslavians can care for them or not; the issue is wether or not it is currently safe for those refugees to be in Yuoglsavia. It is currently unsafe for them to return."

OOC; Parthini, chatzy?

"It is more unsafe for them to stay, aid will soon run out and they will start to die."

The Worker's Republic, seeing the distress the Albanian Refugees have faced, has agreed to take, house and feed the Albanian refugees. They can stay for an indefinate amount of time. Any other Albanians who wish to leave are welcome into the Republic.

France is willing to help provide food, etc. to help Germany keep the refugees fed, etc.

Kollontai raps her knockles on the table, loudly. She turns to Noli.

"There will be no Italian troops in Albania. That is final. Either the Albanians will keep them out, or the Union will.

"As for the refugees, I do not see how you can judge when the aid will 'run out.' But since you obviously have no concern for their safety or welfare, they will go to Germany.

"Is that clear enough, girl? Why don't you go home now to your father and have him send someone with some sense in their head - if any such person can be found in your benighted land. You are doing your cause no good here."

The Red Fleet comes off station in Turkish waters, and takes up station in the Adriatic. Italian warships sighted near the Albanian coast will be warned off as being in violation of the Russo-Albanian agreement. If they enter Albanian waters they will be fired upon.

"I did not say we were bringing Italian troops over, just that it was not a violation of international law if we did so. Also Germany has threatened us with war, again, please talk to them..."

"Threatened you with war? Arrogant brat. They reminded you of the core duty of the state, which Albania has demonstrably failed to uphold."

"Threatened you with war? Arrogant brat. They reminded you of the core duty of the state, which Albania has demonstrably failed to uphold."

"You have no idea what you are talking about and neither do I. What is this core duty of the state and what does the railroad have to do with anything else. The Germans stopped service for no reason. We had to do something to start it up again. Peace-keepers are hunting down the KLA, what more do you want? The area the KLA is in is outside our control."

Maybe this isn't worth war?

Kollontai looks up from reading a note she had just been handed, and replies levelly.

"I was not talking about the railroad. I was talking about protecting your people.

"In any event, it seems our French comrades have determined your Government to be in violation of something or other - could be any one of a thousand things, really. I no longer care.

"Return to your country. Or to someone else's. I do not think you will be welcome in Yugoslavia much longer."

Kollontai stands.

"This Conference has failed. And everyone at this table, with one exception, can agree on why. Good day."

She departs the room.

OOC: I refuse to recognize the war as it is not realistic for a number of reasons!

Delbos stands and motions to the miitary attache. The attache nods and signals his aide. The aide quietly sllips out, as Delbos speaks, "Our two nations are now at war. Mostly over your incomptence and refusal to allow us to do what was needed. As such, you will be detained by French military authorites until such a time as we can determine what level of collaboration your government had with the KLA and what connections, if any, it had with the massacres."

The aide quietly returns, flanked by four French soldiers in full dress uniform carrying MAS-15s. Another four are visible through the door. The aide speaks, "Come quietly and there will be no need for bloodshed. You will be treated with the utmost respect and will essentially be under house arrest."

Ooc: They Are Not In France And I Refuse To Recognize Your Actions For Reasons Posted On The Main Thread. Now Shut Up!

OOC; They are in Yugoslavia. And I have a miltary prescense in Yugoslavia in the form of the peacekeepers. Plus, Delbos has a military escort with him and in addition can and will try to arrest your delegates in Yugoslavia, although they will release you if the Yugoslavian gov't protests. You can try to resist if you want, but there will probably be rifle fire and dead bodies.

Ooc: They Are Not In France And I Refuse To Recognize Your Actions For Reasons Posted On The Main Thread. Now Shut Up!
Your objections in the Main Thread have been noted and commented upon.
Control yourself and be civil.

OOC: I said I do not recognize your actions!

Don't recognize whose actions? Mine? I'm a Moderator. One who's recused himself from issuing a ruling. You don't recognize that? Is that seriously what you're saying?

kakvi ste vi mentalci,pusite kurac svi odreda,proklete retardirane picketine jedne diskutuju o NASOJ zemlji...jebacemo vam majku pedersku svima odreda kad dodje vreme!SRBIJA DO TOKIJA!

OOC: I was talking to France. We posted at the same time.

"Seeing as it can now be said that Albania has been in a state of undeclared war with Yugoslavia for sometime now we fully support the French and are giving over control of 3 divisions to help them in the 'stabilization' of Albania"

OOC: Won't be back for a couple of hours so France has control of my units, as does Russia until i get back.

Stop posting war posts


I have challenged it's realism and the mod.s have yet to rule!

the war is on hold as a coup has occured in Albania

the war is on hold as a coup has occured in Albania
The Union immediately recognizes the new military Government of Albania.

I think I should decide what the Albanian military would do during a couq. If the Germans and French can attack out of the blue then I say the military does not kill the senior leadership!

OOC: She was illegitimate. That's what he said himself. It wasn't meant to be wholly insulting.

I was just adding a bit of flare, so to say.

I apologize to Amestria for the flamebait :(

I think I should decide what the Albanian military would do during a couq. If the Germans and French can attack out of the blue then I say the military does not kill the senior leadership!

You as the player are the civilian leadership, and at times the high military leadership. But you are not the operational commander. That is the war moderators job. Its the only fair way to do it for everyone, so that is why its been handled this way.

We managed to get through 3 years of the Great War without any trouble that way, so it works.

The French also recognize the new government and order the troops to resume operations against the KLA.