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Please keep your OOC comments here thnk you. The war thread is getting to clutterd with all the OOC chatter and the IC events.

Thanks.

No problem.

1)Might take a look on the date at when I joined NS, k? If you know the etiquette, then why are you challenging me on it when I simply ask AMF to do the same?Would you mind reading the comment I was responding to? You were trying to point out a rule of etiquette to me.

2) My nation exists in the year 2190-2200, I consider that PMT when set up against most FT nations who use tech thats from SW or ST which is several thousand years in the future.Frankly, that's FT. You can't force anyone to acknowledge that timeframe as PMT. The very latest I would consider PMT is somwhere in the 2050 range.

3)Thing is...he didn't ignore me. Thus I am involved.You missed my point entirely.

1) You were pointing out to me about telling AMF what to do the damage I inflicted, then I was replying that I was mearly following etiqeutte in asking him to do as I did.

2) I have not forced anyone to accept it as PMT. I recognize it as PMT, due to the fact that MT weapons can have a devasting affect on my mobile suits. If it was FT then I'd probably use some shield device against whatever AMF threw at me. So...I don't consider myself FT, is my answer to that.

3) Then please, explain your point.

OOC: I believe that your on FLAME mode at this time, because I'm more than a little PO'd at this point.

1) Just because I mentioned my suits moving into a formation when they first dropped does not mean that I kept the same formation.

You never stated that. In fact, this is the first time you have said anything about them not remaining in their current formation.

2) I will state for the 3rd time, that I know very well that you can detect my suits with other means than radar. My men have entered your air space under the assumption that your sensors would operate under only radar toward the skies. (This a mistake by them)

Very well then, it should not be an issue now of whether or not they should be under fire, according to your own admittance.


3) The dogfight is hardly over, I mearly wrote out the opening moves. And I said in a previous post that I apoligize for assuming command over your forces. I also just would like to know how many fighters your sending after me? I made a guess on it from what you had posted earlier, saying that several groups or 'wings' had made lift off, then you mentioned them seeing my suits. So like I said earlier, its perfectly fair for me to begin the dogfight, even if I did take it too far.

I do not 'have' to post exact numbers at this juncture, I merely stated that I had fighters lifting off. But seeing as they are out of range and they are just taking to the skies, I fail to see how exact numbers would have any sort of impact because said number can change at any moment (IE: More aircraft joining the fight.)

And yes, by your own admittance you godmodded. If you wish to remove those parts from your post feel free.

4) Whoever your source on Gundams is, they are basing it on what an Aries faces when set against a Gundam. A gundam is a real godmod weapon since its near indestrctible. That is why I use the Aries and other 'regular' type mobile suits. They are quite capable to taking large amounts of small arms fire , bullets, but are of course able to be taken down by missiles.

Regardless, if it flies it dies. Your suits should take damage just like anything else under that kind of firepower. I specifically stated that 'dozens upon dozens' of AAA batteries opened fire on your suits.

4a) because of the fact that you leave so much space to interpretation, I dont have a fucking clue as to how dense, or how powerful, or how exstensive your AA defense network is. Unless you give me concrete statistics and boundries then I cannot successfully rp my military correctly to try finding either weak points or other devices to counter you.

By rights I don't *HAVE* to give you intimate details of my defense. I have never been one to play the 'number game', nor have exact specifications for every single thing I have in my arsenal. It's a waste of time and really means nothing.

I gave you more than enough knowledge throughout this RP in the form of my posts. I've stated that I have coastal and naval defenses around my mainland and islands. I stated that my defenses expand inland and never really stop. I stated that a majority of my defenses are mobile.

What more do you want?

So do not presume to think that because you happened to find the NS website before me makes you a better rp'er

You drew that connection, not me.

6) My largest problem with you is that you leave everything open-ended with no way for me to rp correctly since I have to do guess-work to decide what I am against. If you said you had 400 fighters comign after me, ok, then I know what I am up against. If you said somethign clsoe to 200 SAM sites were firing at me, then I know what I am up against. Your lack of doing so leaves me to interpret from your inept decisiveness to give hard-concrete defense stats.

I don't play the 'number game', if you want that go play somewhere else.

Frankly I do not have to state how many fighters I have attacking you, BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST NOW TAKING TO THE SKIES!!!!! Hold onto your pants and wait until my next post, the fighters should not even be a concern of yours just yet because they have not arrived. You should be more worried about the 'dozens upon dozens' of AAA and SAM's shooting at your suits.

I don't leave things 'open ended', you just actually have to read and pay attention to what I post. You are the only person so far in this war that is having this problem.

7) Your forces could indeed let my own inside for a short distance, I never said otherwise. I mearly am angry with the fact that in the begginning you brought my men out of the clouds in a formation that would not be the same as whem they orignally launched.

Then you should have said something about them staggering or breaking formation! You said nothing of the sort, therefore they were still traveling straight and in formation. See how that works?


They are some of the best trained mobile suit pilots, meaning they wouldn't make an idiotic mistake of clumping when exiting clouds. I don't think we have to go over inch by inch, thats just a bit too much in my opinion. Really what would solve it would be if you were a bit more clear on your defenses capabilities.

The point is I don't *HAVE* to be any more clear than I already am. This argument of yours is nothing more than a straw man, because you yourself are to blame for my IC response to your suits intruding into my airspace.

Yes that's right, you. You did not state a change in formation until now, and because this is an OOC discussion it has no bearing on the IC story. The simple fact that you are trying to somehow blame me for this obvious oversight of yours is laughable. If your suits broke or changed their formation, then say so before it is my turn to post!

You never stated that. In fact, this is the first time you have said anything about them not remaining in their current formation.



Very well then, it should not be an issue now of whether or not they should be under fire, according to your own admittance.




I do not 'have' to post exact numbers at this juncture, I merely stated that I had fighters lifting off. But seeing as they are out of range and they are just taking to the skies, I fail to see how exact numbers would have any sort of impact because said number can change at any moment (IE: More aircraft joining the fight.)

And yes, by your own admittance you godmodded. If you wish to remove those parts from your post feel free.



Regardless, if it flies it dies. Your suits should take damage just like anything else under that kind of firepower. I specifically stated that 'dozens upon dozens' of AAA batteries opened fire on your suits.



By rights I don't *HAVE* to give you intimate details of my defense. I have never been one to play the 'number game', nor have exact specifications for every single thing I have in my arsenal. It's a waste of time and really means nothing.

I gave you more than enough knowledge throughout this RP in the form of my posts. I've stated that I have coastal and naval defenses around my mainland and islands. I stated that my defenses expand inland and never really stop. I stated that a majority of my defenses are mobile.

What more do you want?



You drew that connection, not me.



I don't play the 'number game', if you want that go play somewhere else.

Frankly I do not have to state how many fighters I have attacking you, BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST NOW TAKING TO THE SKIES!!!!! Hold onto your pants and wait until my next post, the fighters should not even be a concern of yours just yet because they have not arrived. You should be more worried about the 'dozens upon dozens' of AAA and SAM's shooting at your suits.

I don't leave things 'open ended', you just actually have to read and pay attention to what I post. You are the only person so far in this war that is having this problem.



Then you should have said something about them staggering or breaking formation! You said nothing of the sort, therefore they were still traveling straight and in formation. See how that works?




The point is I don't *HAVE* to be any more clear than I already am. This argument of yours is nothing more than a straw man, because you yourself are to blame for my IC response to your suits intruding into my airspace.

Yes that's right, you. You did not state a change in formation until now, and because this is an OOC discussion it has no bearing on the IC story. The simple fact that you are trying to somehow blame me for this obvious oversight of yours is laughable. If your suits broke or changed their formation, then say so before it is my turn to post!


This mainly all started because you posted my suits entering out of the clouds before I was able to rp them changing formation of even exiting the clouds in the first place. I acknowledge that you can detect them with your LADAR or something (sorry for no remembering), but I was never given time to post what they were doing after they launch, so I gave a 'vague' discription of them starting into AMF territory (partly due to my fault, so sue me for having a life that requries time away from the computer) and was not able to until a later time, after you had posted my suits entering, to decide upon a course of action.

Also, you said in that same post that you were launching them, that they saw the strange machines, but had not doubts as to their own affectiveness. (not word for word, but close) And I have doubts that more planes and fighters will be launched.

"dozens upon dozens" doesn't mean squat to me. You have to realize the most combat, either real or rp'd, requires basic perimeters. Such as the last post where Findan posted some of his fleet. I now have the basic knowledge of what he has. This allows me to affectively engage, support, or decide upon a course of action according to his post. Vague descriptions doesn't give me crap-jack to work with. The reason Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo was because most of his orders to Marshal Grouchy were too vague, and left an inept commander with opened ended orders, meaning his corp was entirely left out of the main battle, whereas it could have won him the battle.

Also that was not godmodding in my 'version of events' in the dogfight, I left space for you to post your losses and made my own accordingly; as well as leaving you to take the fight further along. If anything it was more of a breech of proper etiquette in rp'ing.

Let this be a warning, Thrashia: Don't mess with AMF.

He knows more about war and RP'ing than you do.

Keep that in mind.

Let this be a warning, Thrashia: Don't mess with AMF.

He knows more about war and RP'ing than you do.

Keep that in mind.

Oh he does, does he? I've been doing rpgs since I was 11. I majored in ancient history, military history, modern history, and am hoping to get my doctorate in Ancient History.

I know Napoleon like the back of my hand, I can tell you the details of Oda Nobunaga's victory at Nagashino, I can show you the mistakes that Hitler made throughout the whole damn WWII (anyone could though, so not affective comment), or explain to you how Hannibal won at Cannae, or Scipio at Zama. Or any number of ancient or modern general's, their battles, and the forces they were using.

Not only that but I served two years active duty in the army, in Iraq and afghanistan, so don't fucking damn well presume to think he knows more about war than me.

Our rp arguement is based on a breech in proper etiquette of rp'ing due to his initial breech of assuming my men came out of the clouds in a clumped formation. I was never given proper time to post after I had initially deployed them, to decide upon their formation or final course of action. I might just have decided to halt their decent and make a retreat at the last minute before making it into AMF air space. You never know.

1) You were pointing out to me about telling AMF what to do the damage I inflicted, then I was replying that I was mearly following etiqeutte in asking him to do as I did.You weren't just asking AMF to post losses. You were dictating what kind of losses YOU expected him to take. You don't have the right to determine what sort of damage another RPer takes on your attack. He does. You went beyond RP etiquette by doing so.

2) I have not forced anyone to accept it as PMT. I recognize it as PMT, due to the fact that MT weapons can have a devasting affect on my mobile suits. If it was FT then I'd probably use some shield device against whatever AMF threw at me. So...I don't consider myself FT, is my answer to that.But other RPers are going to recognise 2190 as FT. I consider it that. If you were to want to fight me in a war, I'd tell you to drop about 200 years in tech level before I agreed to it. Whether your suits have machine guns or bows and arrows doesn't make them any less FT.

3) Then please, explain your point.My point is, if I were in AMF's shoes, I would have ignored you a long time ago with the behaviour you've thus far demonstrated in this RP. As it stands, I'm within a few minutes of ignoring your actions, which would mean your attack on AMF never happened in my RPing world.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrashia
1) You were pointing out to me about telling AMF what to do the damage I inflicted, then I was replying that I was mearly following etiqeutte in asking him to do as I did.
You weren't just asking AMF to post losses. You were dictating what kind of losses YOU expected him to take. You don't have the right to determine what sort of damage another RPer takes on your attack. He does. You went beyond RP etiquette by doing so.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrashia
2) I have not forced anyone to accept it as PMT. I recognize it as PMT, due to the fact that MT weapons can have a devasting affect on my mobile suits. If it was FT then I'd probably use some shield device against whatever AMF threw at me. So...I don't consider myself FT, is my answer to that.
But other RPers are going to recognise 2190 as FT. I consider it that. If you were to want to fight me in a war, I'd tell you to drop about 200 years in tech level before I agreed to it. Whether your suits have machine guns or bows and arrows doesn't make them any less FT.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrashia
3) Then please, explain your point.
My point is, if I were in AMF's shoes, I would have ignored you a long time ago with the behaviour you've thus far demonstrated in this RP. As it stands, I'm within a few minutes of ignoring your actions, which would mean your attack on AMF never happened in my RPing world.

Again, I already apoligized for making assumptions concerning the breech in etiquette concerning his losses.

Very well then, you don't see me as PMT, I'm not going to loose sleep over it and its up to other nations as well, and it depends upon the terms in which the rp started. AMF said I could use my army so long as I left weaknesses. And I already explained a few and others are listed in my military page.

While you might ignore me, he has yet to. And your not directly involved, as far as I know, in this rp. Thus you not recognising it, means nothing to me.

I'd love to argue back and forth about this all night, but I have work tommorow, so I have to get some sleep; since I'm 6-7 hours ahead of you boys in North America.

I officailly declare all my previous posts within the thread concerning the conflict between the nations Findan and Automagfreek null, and withdraw any thought to posting again, and request the ignorance to any involvement made by Thrashian forces.

Adios usted hijo de una ramera.

Adios usted hijo de una ramera.
Wow. Spanish. Good thing nobody in the world can understand that.

Official Warning, flaming. Given your history, let's add a three day forumban to that.


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Let this be a warning, Thrashia: Don't mess with AMF.

He knows more about war and RP'ing than you do.

Keep that in mind.


Wow, that was extremely rude. You frankly have no idea on the real experience of either player. You can only testify for AMF because he's a more well known role player. I would implore you that before you make statements like this research on both sides, and look at their role playing history. Thrashia might have some problems with his technology, but as far as I've seen he's a decent writer.

Fris: Unfortunately, they don't use that word in Spain; either that, or I've never heard of it in my entire life. So I wouldn't be able to tell anybody what that meant.

Fris: Unfortunately, they don't use that word in Spain; either that, or I've never heard of it in my entire life. So I wouldn't be able to tell anybody what that meant.
http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/

Suffice to say it qualifies as an epithet. There is a more common vernacular version, but this one was equally intentioned.

Just for you to know I recived this TG from Thrash:

Sorry to leave out to dry, but I can't take arguing back and forth with him. Hes too open-ended and I'm all numbers. We usually don't dance on the same floor. So good luck with the defense.

Now that thats over can we please get back to the Rping? this had, and still does, have the campacity to be a great Rp, but only if we make it that.

Findan,

the B-52 cannot carry the Daisy Cutter, it is usually carried by a cargo plane such as the C-130 or C-17 due to its size.

Also,

On board the FIN Swordfish 120 nm from AMF

The order came in

To: FIN Swordfish
From:COMSUB
Fire remainign missles and run siline t run deep

the missles fiered.

ppost loss etc.

Not only does this post not make any real sense, you also have managed to float right through my defenses. As I have explained already I have sub and Crawler nets stretching out to 200 nm. If this was a slight oversight feel free to fix it.

Also, as Aust stated before, try to be a bit more detailed. Saying 'the missiles fired' doesn't tell me anything. I don't know if they are nukes, cruise missiles, or port-o-potties with rockets on them. I also don't know if you are shooting them at ships or land targets.

I'm not asking for uber detail, but enough so that I can generate a proper response.

And Findan, wjhere all experienced on here, we know when to post losses.

Sorry about the last post. I had about 30 seconds to finish it beacause I was in a class and the bell had just rung. Sorry 'bout the B-52. I assume the JDAMs, LGBs, and HARM's are just fine? On the sub that was the sub that launched 10 missiles (Which you destroyed at you) The missiles are tomahwaks. Sorry I should have cliarifidy.

I won't be able to post at all this weekend. I'll be back on Monday also next Friday i shall be out of town.