Brazilian Civil War (Closed E20)
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 18:47
Background to 1922
In 1907, the demagogue politician Senhor Paolo Cabelho was elected President of Brazil and declared himself the Chefe Glorioso (“Glorious Leader”) of a "socialist" republic, the first on Earth.
Chefe Cabelho did very little, however, beyond enacting labor reforms, engaging in some urban renewal projects, and improving education and welfare for the poor. He left the landowners alone, and simply neglected to implement his own policy initiatives wherever they threatened the interests of powerful private enterprises.
By 1913, however, his own populist rhetoric caught up with him, and he was eased out of power by in a bloodless coup by a group of real Leftists, who established an eight-man Politburo and cultivated closer links with Kerensky’s Russia.
Washington, which had previously cared little about Cabelho’s "Socialism" so long as American companies continued to make profits in Brazil, began to flex its muscles, and declared an embargo and blockade. Brazil and Russia were forced to publicly repudiate a Mutual Defense Pact. Some reforms were stalled under American pressure, and relations chilled.
For the next nine years, however, while the Northern Giant concerned itself with other matters, Brazil did its best to live up to its ideals without jeopardizing its existence.
But by 1922, when a wave of anti-Americanism swept across South America in the wake of Washington’s invasion of Venezuela, the United States had come to view Brazilian Socialism as the greatest threat to American power in the Western Hemisphere, and began to take steps to deal with it once and for all. The Brazilians, meanwhile, had secretly restored the old alliance with Moscow (and now Berlin as well), and thus the stage was set for the first major confrontation by proxy between the Warsaw Pact and the London Allies.
A consortium of American companies, led by the United Fruit Company and Goodyear Tire & Rubber, formed an alliance with several factions of Brazilian conservatives with the intention of overthrowing the Socialist government and replacing it with . . . well, that was a matter of some argument.
More than merely some argument, in fact. While the consortium, with the tacit though undocumented approval of the White House and the American military, began supplying the Rebels with money, weapons, and advisers, the Rebels themselves fell to bickering about what, exactly, they stood for. And the bickering turned to violence. Several duels and a few blood feuds later, three factions stood dominant among the Rebels.
In the Amazonas, the largest group of Rebels in sheer numbers were the Integralistas of the so-called Movimento Popular Nacional, or simply, "O Movimento." The State of Amazonas, formerly a major center of rubber production, had fallen on extremely hard times by the early 1920's, and the Integralistas firmly believed that the crushing poverty surrounding them was the result of Godlessness, the corrosion of family values and the work ethic, and corrupt Communist mismanagement rather than depleted resources and new competition from Africa and Asia.
In the Mato Grosso, however, a different insurgent movement took shape.
Land reform had been decreed in Brazil as far back as 1907, yet the corrupt Cabelho government had proved unable to implement it, and the power and property of the great Fundeiros (plantation-owners) continued more-or-less unchecked until the late Nineteen-Teens, when penetration by the Russo-Brazilian railway project began to make it possible for Government to actually project power into the region and initiate the reforms so long delayed.
Here, the Fundeiros declared the formation of the Nova República do Brasil, and based their Constitution on that of the Confederate States of America, under the leadership of the Congresso Nacional de Unidade Brasileira, or COBRA. The New Republic immediately suspended its own constitution, however, in favor of a three-man military tribunal led by the ruthless planter Hermenegildo Galvão.
Finally, in the cities themselves, otherwise strongholds of the Government, a clandestine political movement of business leaders and disloyal military officers favoring market reforms and middle-class values emerged calling itself the Aliança de Reforma, which began to undertake terrorist and criminal actions in the name of restoring democracy.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 18:52
The Integralists managed to quickly raise a Militia of nearly a hundred thousand malcontents, most of whom were poorly armed with antiquated personal weapons, and even less well-trained. However, in a rapid and overwhelming campaign of terror and political murder, O Movimento was able to seize the government of Manaus and declare "the Beginning of the Restoration of the Republic under God."
Poorly-equipped, lacking artillery, shoes, or medicine, the Integralist Militia was ill-prepared for the arrival of forty-five thousand Government troops in late November. Trusting in their superior numbers, the Movimento commanders disastrously ordered their men "to give not an inch to Satan's champions," and watched horrified as their own men were cut down by the thousands trying to hold the river passages, where their numbers made little difference. Within a few hours, over ten thousand Integralists lay dead, their had been lines broken, and the remainder of the Militia were in rout as General Felix marched into Manaus.
All told, by the end some twenty thousand rebels were killed, and forty thousand captured, most while trying to flee. The rest, including the Movimento's leadership, simply disappeared into the woods. Despite the best efforts of General Miranda's men, the jungle was too thick, and there were simply too many to snare them all.
It was a costly campaign, however. The actual battle did little damage to the Government lines - some three thousand dead, and another five thousand wounded. It had been the journey up the river that had taken the greatest toll. Of the forty-five thousand men who had originally begun the expedition, only twenty thousand had finished it. Some five thousand had died in the jungle, either by Rebel bomb-boats and booby traps or, more often, disease. The remaining casualties had been taken ill or hurt by the many perils of the jungle and shipped back to Brazil's urban centers, or, in an increasing number of cases, had deserted because of their faith. The Army of the Amazon was at full strength in Manaus only because of continual replacement from the Government.
By February, however, Manaus was securely in Government hands.
Gintonpar
27-09-2005, 18:52
ooc: Excellent. A fabulous history. Couldn't have written it better myself, really good. I will add some stuff soon.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 19:07
OoC: Thanks.
The Coastal Cities and the South, Early 1923
The cities remain the stronghold of the Government, where the poor of Brazil can actually experience the benefits of socialism
A wave of assassinations and attempted assassinations sweep even the cities during the Summer of 1922-23. Feminist and black intellectuals and politicians, in particular, seem to be favored targets, as well as foreigners. Bombs explode outside the Russian and German embassies on several occasions, though what few people are killed are mostly urban poor.
Some of the perpetrators are caught, of course, but it turns out that most of them have little to say. They are not professionals, for the most part, but simply poor, angry men hired by mysterious and persuasive coronels (in this context, "benefactors") with educated accents and sacks of gold - much of which turns out to be debased anyway.
Drugs pour into the slums as well, though as yet this has had few effects on public order.
Outside the coastal cities, the terror campaign is more serious. There are fewer targets, but the murderers are professionals, so more attempts are successful. Most of the targets in the countryside are government officials, informers, and Left-leaning priests. Few assassins are captured alive, but most who do turn out to be gauchos employed by ranchers, highly experienced in murdering indians and serfs.
As the countryside becomes more heavily militarized, the assassinations and lynchings fall off, but do not abate entirely.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 19:08
All states listed are modern, and do not necessarily correspond to 1923 boundaries; edited and updated to reflect "current" battle lines:
The Government is strong in:
Amapa
Bahia
Ceara
Goias
Maranhao
Minas Gerais (though weakening due to Catholic influence)
Parana
Rio de Janeiro
Santa Catarina
Sao Paolo
Tocantins
O Movimento is strong in:
Amazonas
Para
Roraima
COBRA is strong in:
Alagoas
Espiritu Santo
Mato Grosso
Mato Grosso do Sul
Piaui
Rondonia
Sergipe
The Aliança is strong in:
Pernambuco
Rio Grande do Norte
Rio Grande do Sul
(OOC: I think you missed Rio Grande Do Sul, important cos it's the state that the Zionist's must enter through)
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 19:23
Government troops, in accordance with the rising desertion rate - due chiefly to the Catholic Church - will swiftly begin to use Political Officers to lower rates. As casualty rates rise from disease, many units are withdrawn to safer areas and harsh Political Commissars are appointed in all units. Although they have little power at first, if the desertion rate is crippling the army then new powers will have to be given to the political officers to halt desertion.
In many units, however, especially the most loyal ones drawn from the pagan or atheist poor, Political Officers become the de facto replacement for Catholic chaplains, and are often regarded as "mascots" by the men. [NB: This was true during the early days of the Soviet Union, for instance, when morale was still high].
The railroad built by the Russians between 1913 and 1920 allows loyalist troops to move swiftly to trouble spots, but the Rebels frustrate them by refusing pitched battles. In many areas, however, the Rebels themselves are forced to deal with pro-Government uprisings among their serf and native populations.
Training of the State Guard continues apace in attempts to produce a unit more loyal than the regular Army. The major cities are slowly fortified and a recruitment drive is announced to boost army numbers, especially in the State Guard units.
Evacuation of whole areas is being considered if the threat of rebel takeover is too great.
Meanwhile, vast numbers of Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans, driven out of their own countries by crop failure but still friendly to Socialist ideals, begin to emigrate to Brazil in response to Rio's calls for international help.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 19:25
(OOC: I think you missed Rio Grande Do Sul, important cos it's the state that the Zionist's must enter through)
I missed a couple, actually. Rio Grande do Sul is a stronghold of the Aliança. Now edited.
Gintonpar
27-09-2005, 19:47
Government Announcements:
The focus of the conventional armed forces will be conducting operations mainly in the following regions:
Matto Grosso- 95,000 troops under General Os
Matto Grosso do Sul- 60,000 troops under General Tamiento
Espiritu Santo- 7,000 troops under General Carlos
Amazonas- 45,000 troops under General Felix
The rest of the regular army is manning checkpoints and garrisons and engaging mainly in fighting patrols and hearts and minds tactics such as helping locals with agriculture and with building projects as well as providing medical assistance.
Total Army Strength:
Regulars- 300,000
Reserves (now fully activated)- 400,000
Naval River Patrol- 70,000
State Guard- 50,000 (undergoing training)
PRF- 70,000 (undergoing training/implanting in cells)
International Brigade- *need mod ruling on numbers* (undergoing training)
Elite Troop- 40,000- operating all over the country and thus classified, though 4,000 are attached to Miranda's force at present and 7,000 to the intercepting force under Sequeiro.
All infantry are armed with standard French weaponry and are French trained as they have been since around 1908. The advisors are still present and are aiding in the conduct of the war. Most travel by train to combat areas where possible where they are ressuplied either by river by the Naval River Patrol or land by supply train, or in extreme cases by air, though very rarely.
Special Offensive
Under General Miranda, 30,000 troops will move into Tocantins from the East (Bahia Province) to restore order. Main targets will be ready food supplies for the rebels with targets pinpointed by German espionage and Brazilian secret service operatives that have been concentrated in the area. Once the rebels are driven out from their ready food supplies they will retreat to more secure food and equipment reserves. As we know the rough area where these are thanks to overfly's by aircraft (German supplied) and Zeppelins (German supplied) they will there be intercepted by 15,000 troops under General Sequiero travelling from Maranhao that will traverse Tocantins before confronting the rebels further West in Tocantins. This operation would be near impossible however if it were not for the pro-government uprisings in the area that have already tipped the rebels onto the back foot and supplied vital intelligence both on the dispositions of enemy units and positions of food and equipment supplies. It is hoped a swift attack could inflict a noticeable, if minor, defeat on the rebels and bring the province back under full government control.
Galveston Bay
27-09-2005, 19:47
ooc
nicely done
American support is coming in through smuggling through the seaports and fishing villages, and through covert landings by smuggler craft along the huge Brazilian coast, or up the Amazon through smuggling. Money is provided via banks in third countries (Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay are favored). Additional smuggling comes in through Uruguay as well. The wilderness prevents smuggling from Venezuela or Bolivia, but smuggling from Peru is possible, as rivercraft can navigate the Amazon from eastern Peru to Manus (where ocean going traffic is possible).
All American support is done using Latin Americans who are paid very well and contacted through cutouts. Weapons, munitions and equipment is purchased on the open arms market or smuggled out of Europe or purchased from European sources as much as possible, although some Japanese, Chinese and Korean weapons and arms will be added when possible. An effort is made to ensure that US made equipment and arms shows up in a proportion so that it is difficult to figure out exactly where the source is.
In addition to small arms, the US backers are providing mortars, machine guns, infantry and vehicle mines, and naval mines, and mercenaries to train the Rebels in using these weapons (although they do not fight).
IC
The Rebels, specifically Movemento and Cobra, will request anti tank rifles and receive them. Having learned that the Germans are sending Zeppelins, plans are made to shoot at them from extended range from outside of the perimeter of the airfields they use. The Rebels figure that 12.7 and 20 mm tracer rounds fired from an anti tank rifle cannot be beneficial to a Zeppelins engine or hydrogen lift cells (for those that have them) or fuel tanks. Downing even one would be an embarrassment to the government.
Mines, once available in some numbers, are placed to make taking out government vehicles easier in rural areas and occasionally the cities. The Movemento also lays a few naval drift mines in major harbors at high tide in a one time blitz attack hoping to sink a few ships and embarrass the government. Some naval mines are also planted in the Amazon and tributaries (these are command detonated type mines) and are used by Cobra and Alliancia.
The small Zionist force enters via the state of Santa Catarina, they are armed with Argentine made Modelo-17 Rifles and Vickers .303 machine guns, both supplied from Argentina, they have recieved good training from the Argentinians, they now await the further instructions of the Brazilian Government.
Secret IC:
What is left of the 5th division of the Bolivian infantry is added to General Bacerra's army, increasing the number to 45,000 men. He now has the 1st through 4th divisions and half of the 5th in his command. They begin to drill more often but they make no offensive action into Brazil.
(Still Secret IC)
With the reaquiping of the Bolivian army with US made weapons, much of the old weapons are being sent to the different rebel groups in Brazil.
Gintonpar
27-09-2005, 20:48
The small Zionist force enters via the state of Santa Catarina, they are armed with Argentine made Modelo-17 Rifles and Vickers .303 machine guns, both supplied from Argentina, they have recieved good training from the Argentinians, they now await the further instructions of the Brazilian Government.
If it is acceptable to your Government we would like you to perform urban offensive and control operations alongside our troops in the Espiritu Santo region under our General Carlos. We think that in the future many of your operations will be city based so this will be a good indicator of your abilities and ways to improve them. This will also enable you to be supplied by sea. Also, jungle and countryside fighting patrols will be undertaken by your troops if the occasion calls for it in the region. Please let us know if this is acceptable and once again we are indeed grateful for your aid in this unfortunate business.
Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 20:53
Four ships have been sunk, seven more are damaged. I determined the results randomly (I will reproduce my tables for those who care, based on the volume of commerce with various countries), and the nationalities of the casualties are as follows:
Brazilian – 2 ships sunk (naval gunships, actually), 3 damaged (a destroyer and two merchant vessels)
Chinese – 1 ship sunk, 2 damaged, all civilian of course (Didn’t expect that, did you Mr. President?)
Argentinean – 1 Naval Gunship sunk (A mine down South went drifting, and . . .)
German – 1 ship damaged, civilian
American – 1 ship damaged, civilian
ooc: Colombia will get involved, but very inconspiciously. But it could have a big effect?
I would like a message sent to a rebel group to come into Colombia, and seize a merchant vessel. This will be expected by the Colombian Government; In fact the crew of the vessel are members of the Colombian Military.
Now, this crew of roughly 20 are actually of Brazillian desent, have served in the Colombian 1st Infantry Division for quite some time. I would assume that there would be atleast 20 soldiers whose parents were at least Brazillian in the Colombian military... and I would suspect that they can speak Portugese...
They will not be armed, themselves, but their merchant vessel holds quite a bit. In the hold are 18 new 57.9mm high-velocity, long range, high angle rapid-fire guns. The other cargo within, is 6 105mm high-angle cannons and 25 Triple 40mm Anti-Aircraft Gun for use against German Aircraft/Brazillian Aircraft. The two cannons are to be used on the Zepplins; The 105mm requires more space but has more range and killing power. The 57.9mm gun fires much faster and requires smaller space. They could also be used on armoured targets, or even better, trains. Also within the holds are hundreds of Lee-Enfield Rifles, which the Colombian army USED to use, along with several dozen mortars.
The "crew" is trained in the use of the heavier guns and will pass on their knowledge with the rebels. The ship itself will hopefully make it through to Peru where it can move along the goods... or even through Ecuador.
Gintonpar
27-09-2005, 21:41
In the light of recent damage to shipping Brazil requests aid from the international community to provide divers and patrol boats manned with personnel to stop these indiscriminate attacks on shipping. Remember, every ship is a target for these rebels, including civilian vessels. This just goes to show the sheer brutality of the people we are fighting.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 21:42
Less diplomatically problematic, the diehards of O Movimento in the Amazonas cause serious disruption to General Felix's lines of support.
Especially to his supply of medicines. Shipments get through, of course, but not in sufficient quantity, and the attrition rate among Goverment forces in Manaus quickly swells as disease stalks the encampments. As Summer turns to Fall, the number of soldiers capable of conducting offensive operations in the Amazonas drops to less than thirty thousand (though few casualties are actually dead, only about three thousand), and many of these men are not performing at their best. Morale, also, begins to falter in Manaus, as snipers and assassins stalk the men. Few are successful, but they contribute to a general siege mentality, and a growing mistrust of the locals, who reciprocate in spite of the best outreach efforts of Felix and the Political Staff.
(The real reason for this latter, of course, is that there is an ongoing campaign of terror directed against the civilian population that is much more severe and destructive than the Rebels’ insurgent operations against the military, but is also correspondingly well hidden – i.e., the locals dare not report it to the Army for fear of reprisals.)
Gintonpar
27-09-2005, 22:27
With reports of a ridiculously high attrition rate in and around Manaus, General Felix has ordered a shift of military strategy, arguing that his army has achieved its job of striking a blow against the rebels and to maintain offensive operations indefinetely would be disastrous.
Instead, Manaus itself will be fortified and artillery positions will be made ready for next month. In the meantime the units present will conduct a general offensive to kill as many rebels as possible, purely to buy time until sufficient fortifications are up and running. Once Manaus is fortified a new strategy will take over. Checkpoints will be set up to regulate traffic in and out of the city and a large medical and stores depot will be set up within it once it has been purged of rebels. From the city, a series of forts will then be constructed around the city, eventually numbering 12 forts. Each fort will be covered by the artillery of at least 2 other forts at any one time as well as artillery within Manaus and should be impregnable from attack. Each fort should house around 800 men at a time reinforced by a central reserve within Manaus of some 25,000 men. Fighting patrols will be sent into the jungle for 1 week at a time before taking 2 weeks off on a rota basis to avoid exhaustion.
To prevent the forts being overrun by surprise attack, recon outposts will be set up around a mile from each fort, reporting to their 'mother fort' every hour. Each fort will have 4 recon posts that should report back. The recon outposts will be manned with light machine guns only and are not to be defended in strength as they will house only a section of 8 to 15 men at the most. Each will have an inbuilt radio but rockets and a semaphore system will also be put in place in case communications fail.
Eventually, the 'Felix Plan', as this will be known, should stabilise the immediate Manaus region and allow more offensive action to be taken. In the meantime, extra PT boats from the Naval River Patrol will be sent to maintain control over the river and 7,000 reinforcements will immediately be dispatched to aid with the initial offensive and then with the construction of the forts and the implementation of the Felix Plan. Also, patrols by the elite troop will be stepped up down the riverbanks to hunt rebels and reduce the daily attack rate.
ooc: By the way, there is also a new offensive starting in more Southerly Brazil. Check the last page of the thread for details.
Vas Pokhoronim
27-09-2005, 23:04
ooc: By the way, there is also a new offensive starting in more Southerly Brazil. Check the last page of the thread for details.
I know. Southern Brazil is the most complicated for me Ref, but probably the most like a conventional war . . .
I move my 1st Special Forces into Brazil with permission from Colombia. They will attack and train the rebels in camo. They will search and blow up any convoy. They will also blow up pt boats.
ooc: Colombia will get involved, but very inconspiciously. But it could have a big effect?
I would like a message sent to a rebel group to come into Colombia, and seize a merchant vessel. This will be expected by the Colombian Government; In fact the crew of the vessel are members of the Colombian Military.
Now, this crew of roughly 20 are actually of Brazillian desent, have served in the Colombian 1st Infantry Division for quite some time. I would assume that there would be atleast 20 soldiers whose parents were at least Brazillian in the Colombian military... and I would suspect that they can speak Portugese...
They will not be armed, themselves, but their merchant vessel holds quite a bit. In the hold are 18 new 57.9mm high-velocity, long range, high angle rapid-fire guns. The other cargo within, is 6 105mm high-angle cannons and 25 Triple 40mm Anti-Aircraft Gun for use against German Aircraft/Brazillian Aircraft. The two cannons are to be used on the Zepplins; The 105mm requires more space but has more range and killing power. The 57.9mm gun fires much faster and requires smaller space. They could also be used on armoured targets, or even better, trains. Also within the holds are hundreds of Lee-Enfield Rifles, which the Colombian army USED to use, along with several dozen mortars.
The "crew" is trained in the use of the heavier guns and will pass on their knowledge with the rebels. The ship itself will hopefully make it through to Peru where it can move along the goods... or even through Ecuador.
ooc: Oh and there is explosives and Maxim MG's included as well... forgot to mention that.
France has begun quietly shipping shipments of the new MAS-22 FAD, and Hotchkiss-1923 Machinegun, as well as the MAS-15 bolt-action rifle with the promised medical and food supplies. Several scout and ground-attack planes are also being shipped and the number of advisors is being stepped up.
On the French mainland division of Vietnames Commonwealth troops are secretly prepped for deployment, should the need arise.
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 00:33
I move my 1st Special Forces into Brazil with permission from Colombia. They will attack and train the rebels in camo. They will search and blow up any convoy.
ooc
war moderator here... no you don't. First, Colombia does not have a border with Brazil that is actually usuable. In the 1920s, the entire region north of the Amazon and south of the Venezuela border belonged to the Indians, and the wildlife, and was barely explored at all. So you aren't going that way. You would have to have permission from Bolivia or Peru to enter the war, and Peru says no. That means you have to go through Chile, and then Bolivia (both are player countries, its up to them).
Or your troops go in as mercenaries hired by the American corporations and various Rebel factions... and are smuggled in as individuals or in small groups. Many will be caught or stopped at the border.
Secondly, as addressed in the Military Thread, at this time there are NO SPECIAL FORCES TROOPS AS WE THINK OF THEM IN 2005. They are a Second World War invention, and we haven't had one yet. There are guerillas (which have had limited success so far in this timeline), amphibious warfare troops that are limited to the US, British, Italian and French Marines that have conducted landings against undefended beaches, and Mountain troops (which are limited to Europe pretty much) and Ski troops (limited to Scandinavia and Russia). A few experimental paratrooper units have just been created in Germany, Russia and France, but only the German unit has seen action and that was in Denmark a few months ago
And thats it. There are no regular troops trained in guerilla warfare at this time, although the Brazilian ones should be developing techniques to deal with suppressing it soon. The US and British militaries, and the Turkish and Russian militaries have officers who retain that experience from their wars along those lines, but they don't even have anti guerilla troops at this point.
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 00:44
Thank you, War Mod. I'll also add to Colombia that I have noted your sending a boat, but I don't see it doing much in the way of major offensive operations.
And it might sink. Or something. Remember there was a Bolivian colonel that ran into the Amazon with five thousand soldiers to help the Rebels and was never seen or heard from again. Going in with one boat is kind of like that.
But I will add to the War Mod that Russia is developing a Marine Corps at Kamchatka. I think I posted that in the Military Thread a while back.
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 01:20
Special Offensive
Under General Miranda, 30,000 troops will move into Tocantins from the East (Bahia Province) to restore order. Main targets will be ready food supplies for the rebels with targets pinpointed by German espionage and Brazilian secret service operatives that have been concentrated in the area. Once the rebels are driven out from their ready food supplies they will retreat to more secure food and equipment reserves. As we know the rough area where these are thanks to overfly's by aircraft (German supplied) and Zeppelins (German supplied) they will there be intercepted by 15,000 troops under General Sequiero travelling from Maranhao that will traverse Tocantins before confronting the rebels further West in Tocantins. This operation would be near impossible however if it were not for the pro-government uprisings in the area that have already tipped the rebels onto the back foot and supplied vital intelligence both on the dispositions of enemy units and positions of food and equipment supplies. It is hoped a swift attack could inflict a noticeable, if minor, defeat on the rebels and bring the province back under full government control.
In Tocantins, COBRA has problems similar to those of the Government elsewhere - large desertion rate, uprisings, bad supply lines, etc. The COBRA commander (I love that) of Tocantins, Augusto da Silva, responds to these difficulties by enforcing discipline with great brutality, seizing hostages from among his soldiers’, and engaging in the ancient Roman practice of decimation.
But all to little avail. His infantry evaporates before Miranda’s forces, with few combat casualties on either side. Indeed, the huge number of rendiçeiros ("surrenderers" - nearly forty thousand by early May) actually slows down Miranda’s offensive more than if da Silva had met him in open combat, and gives da Silva’s more reliable cavalry time to evade capture, although many horsemen are shot down by airplanes as they withdraw. Da Silva’s horses become useless as Miranda presses them into the jungle, however, and they are killed en masse their corpses are subsequently used to poison water supplies.
Miranda’s army suffers little from ill-health (he stays in the grasslands, for the most part), and they manage to secure the Rebels’ supplies, but use them chiefly for supporting their huge population of rendiçeiros, some fifteen thousand poor peasants. Miranda’s total casualties in the operation are less than five thousand dead and wounded (da Silva took no prisoners), though Sequeiro does more serious fighting and pursues da Silva further into the jungle, losing about as many men in the process against a much more dedicated foe.
Da Silva’s original army of thirty thousand men (including rendiçeiros), however, virtually disappears, and its commander is swallowed by the jungle. His son, Jefferson da Silva, arrives some months later in the Mato Grosso at the head of a column of five thousand hardened killers, with a taste for vengeance.
ooc: Im not sending "just one boat" Im sending 20 military advisors to assist the Rebels in understanding the concepts of using the ARTILLERY and the MACHINE GUNS that were in that boat.
Not to mention the two different guns that are made and tested to shoot down Zeppelins at range... All you need is one..
[NS]Parthini
28-09-2005, 01:54
OOC: Disclaimer. My Zeppelins like to stay behind the lines of combat and let the Fokkers fly in and Fok things up (haha). They also stay pretty high (15,000 feet) and pretty much only planes and REALLY good flak guns can hit that.
ooc: I have been perfecting these guns for years. Im not sure if you ever saw that post.
And also if you didn't catch it, they could be set up in wooded area's, and the 57.9mm is small enough for this purpose. The 105mm gun is basically an artillery gun that can be fired at a very high angle, with an explosive shell... meaning lots of height and lots of range... just put it onto one of those nice mountains of Brazil and you got plenty of range to hit one of those nice big floating Zeppelins that are being refueled...
Oh and those aircraft of those... did you see me mention the triplebarreled 40mm guns for that purpose? Although depending how they do in Brazil I might lower them to 20mm...
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 02:11
With reports of a ridiculously high attrition rate in and around Manaus, General Felix has ordered a shift of military strategy, arguing that his army has achieved its job of striking a blow against the rebels and to maintain offensive operations indefinetely would be disastrous.
Instead, Manaus itself will be fortified and artillery positions will be made ready for next month. In the meantime the units present will conduct a general offensive to kill as many rebels as possible, purely to buy time until sufficient fortifications are up and running. Once Manaus is fortified a new strategy will take over. Checkpoints will be set up to regulate traffic in and out of the city and a large medical and stores depot will be set up within it once it has been purged of rebels. From the city, a series of forts will then be constructed around the city, eventually numbering 12 forts. Each fort will be covered by the artillery of at least 2 other forts at any one time as well as artillery within Manaus and should be impregnable from attack. Each fort should house around 800 men at a time reinforced by a central reserve within Manaus of some 25,000 men. Fighting patrols will be sent into the jungle for 1 week at a time before taking 2 weeks off on a rota basis to avoid exhaustion.
To prevent the forts being overrun by surprise attack, recon outposts will be set up around a mile from each fort, reporting to their 'mother fort' every hour. Each fort will have 4 recon posts that should report back. The recon outposts will be manned with light machine guns only and are not to be defended in strength as they will house only a section of 8 to 15 men at the most. Each will have an inbuilt radio but rockets and a semaphore system will also be put in place in case communications fail.
Eventually, the 'Felix Plan', as this will be known, should stabilise the immediate Manaus region and allow more offensive action to be taken. In the meantime, extra PT boats from the Naval River Patrol will be sent to maintain control over the river and 7,000 reinforcements will immediately be dispatched to aid with the initial offensive and then with the construction of the forts and the implementation of the Felix Plan. Also, patrols by the elite troop will be stepped up down the riverbanks to hunt rebels and reduce the daily attack rate.
Ironically, as troops are no longer replensihed in Manaus, the sickness rate drops off. After a few months, most soldiers will recover.
The main problem in Manaus now is food.
Refugees stream in from the countryside, and many are spies. Most are caught (it is believed), but their actions contribute to the poor morale and sense of fear and danger. There would be a high desertion rate, but there is nowhere to go. In late May some junior officers in one of the forts are discovered plotting a mutiny and planning to desert their post return to their homes. They are all shot by their commander.
The men on patrol see some of the worst fighting in the war so far, and things worse than fighting. Dangerous animals like jaguars, snakes, and spiders trouble the men constantly, and monkeys hurl stones and worse all the time. Leeches and other insects make life a living hell in the jungle, but the worst creature of all is their fellow man.
Ambushes are constant, and sadistically creative. Hostages from the local civilian populations are used as human lures. Snipers will wound Government troops in the legs so as to immobilize them without killing them, in order to draw out their comrades. Communities where the inhabitants were known to assist the Army are slaughtered horrifically (or sometime left alive but mutilated) as examples.
The actual Rebel numbers are small, but they persistently refuse open engagement after being crushed so decisively at the Battle of Manaus, and their concern for any human life not their own is shockingly absent. But of the nearly forty thousand Rebels who escaped Manaus with the arrival General Felix, less than half of them are still believed to be in the field. If Felix could only draw them into an open fight, the superior training and equipment of his would surely tell.
As it is, with the liberation of Goias and Tocantins by Miranda and Sequeiro, Government forces can begin making progress towards Manaus, but Para and the Mato Grosso remain Rebel strongholds, effectively cutting off General Felix from outside help. Though he tries to work his own way down the River, the going is very slow.
This will remain the situation for the next few months. Felix - or Rio - will have to figure out how to supply his troops (and presumably the refugees) with food to last that long.
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 02:12
ooc: Im not sending "just one boat" Im sending 20 military advisors to assist the Rebels in understanding the concepts of using the ARTILLERY and the MACHINE GUNS that were in that boat.
Not to mention the two different guns that are made and tested to shoot down Zeppelins at range... All you need is one..
Ooh. A boat with twenty guys. That's totally different.
ooc: Damn straight; They could take the entire Brazillian military.
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 02:22
Okay. That was funny.
How many guns are in it, seriously?
ooc:
18 57.9mm guns.
6 105mm cannons
25 Triple 40mm Anti-Aircraft Gun
24 82mm Mortars
700 Lee-Enfield Rifles
100 Maxim Machineguns
If the ship would be to large to slip through Peru.. it could always contact Bolivia and slip through their porous border? Or is that being patroled now?
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 02:39
The Bolivian border is only being patrolled by the Bolivians at this time.
It still doesn't look like a large number of weapons to me, considering we're talking engagements and campaigns involving tens of thousands of combatants, but I'll remember they're there.
The destruction of a gunboat comes as a shock to the Argentine military, but it only serves to warn them of the cost of actively intervening. Some small number of Argentine socialists and communists leave for Brazil to serve in the foreign legions being formed there, but their departure is carefully monitered by Argentine police and government services, and their names are noted for future reference.
Having been contacted by several outside nations as to the scope of the ordeal, Argentina's policies at this time remain to wait and see what happens, and to support the Brazilian army, for a price. Argentine leaders also look to Uruguay, to see if the revolution affects the small country, and whether they may need to intervene there to help the Uruguay people. The Argentine 3rd and 5th Divisions are mobilized in the event of trouble, and poised at the Uruguay border.
The Ecuadorian Government has no comments on this matters and frankly doesn't care. Who cares who wins? The Ecuador has closed off it borders and is being neutral in this war. U.S. it's sniper forces, not special they are trained to use camo and sniper rifles. Also the Ecuadorian military is putting 5 infantry battilions spread out around the border. If anyone tries to cross my border execpt Colombia they will be warn to leave. If they don't leave they will be shot with no questions asked.
From
Jose Luis Tamayo
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 03:31
Parthini']OOC: Disclaimer. My Zeppelins like to stay behind the lines of combat and let the Fokkers fly in and Fok things up (haha). They also stay pretty high (15,000 feet) and pretty much only planes and REALLY good flak guns can hit that.
ooc
which is what I assumed, which is why when I posted I had the Brazilian city based movement trying to snipe at them with heavy caliber anti tank rifles (which are available now) as they come in to land at airfields instead.
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 03:33
ooc:
18 57.9mm guns.
6 105mm cannons
25 Triple 40mm Anti-Aircraft Gun
24 82mm Mortars
700 Lee-Enfield Rifles
100 Maxim Machineguns
If the ship would be to large to slip through Peru.. it could always contact Bolivia and slip through their porous border? Or is that being patroled now?
ooc
Peru would let a shipment this small through, especially if palms are greased. Its a completely different matter than trying to bring a brigade sized army unit. However, Colombia needs to allow time for its intelligence service to make contact with one of the Rebel factions first.
The bigger problem is how to get it to the Rebels once its in Brazil. 105 mm guns and 40 mm guns are typically either horse drawn or truck towed weapons. Even if broken down the tubes are pretty large. The mortars and small arms are pretty easy, but the Rebels would be better off with 12.7 mm heavy machine guns, which do admirably well against soft skinned vehicles, aircraft flying below 3,000 feet, and even most armored vehicles of this time period. They also are much more portable.
Gintonpar
28-09-2005, 11:32
The Brazilian War Office has debated the question of how to supply the Army of Felix and the civilian population nearby. Eventually, ultra secret communiques are sent authorising a one off Zeppellin flight by all of the Zeppelins to carry over food and supplies from Government food reserves to replenish stores in Manaus. The Government realise they will possibly lose a Zeppelin but it is hoped the secrecy and audacity of the plan will keep most of them safe while resupplying the troops and civilian population with food, equipment and medical supplies.
While the general offensive is underway Felix has his own plan. He conducts a fighting withdrawal to a defensive position around 50km West of Manaus. He collates around 25,000 active men, forms them into a defensive position, though still staying flexible in his movements, and orders support from heavy artillery. Felix conceals his troop numbers and artillery positions and allows rebel patrols to spot his position. The position looks like a half built supply depot ripe for attack and to reinforce this Felix places much of his remaining supplies in clear view. Also, fake stories are spread to spies known to be working for the rebels saying that Felix is present with around 5,000 men creating a supply depot. Felix hopes to draw the rebels into the open and inflict a telling blow on them. He goes to every length to have the fake story spread by word of mouth and knows the rebels are as desperate for the supplie as he is. He watches and waits and keeps his artillery well concealed, along with the rest of his fighting troops. Waiting for a response from the rebels. The preparations are top secret and only the most senior figures in the Brazilian Politburo and Government know about it. Felix waits for a rebel attack to materialise.
ooc: Wouldn't there be spies in the 20,000 soldiers that are hiding? Therefore, they would wonder why the artillery is being hidden away and they are being hidden while the other 5,000 are making a supply base a little while away? People aren't idiots, and I believed that the Rebels were generally guided by the upper-class... and hiding 20,000 soldiers effectively?
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 16:00
Zeppelins remain safe for the moment, as Colombian A-A batteries are not yet deployed in the Amazonas and the Aliança seriously botches their first attempt at destroying one at its landing base in the East, losing their task force and alerting the Government to the danger.
The first shipments of supplies are received by Felix and his men like a divine intervention.
Unfortunately, things do not go well in the jungle, and withdrawing his main force from the fortified position of Manaus turns out to be a serious mistake.1
Felix's counterintelligence operation fails miserably, due chiefly to the lack of adequate preparation.2 The artillery, what little there is of it, is captured before the main force even realizes it is under attack. Rather than using the heavy guns against Felix's army, however, the Rebel commander, Gustavo Barroso, orders a series of lightning-quick strikes followed by withdrawals against the Government positions from several different directions, disorienting Felix's forces and giving time for his main force to interpose itself between the Army and Manaus.
Much too late does it become clear what Barroso's true objective is. Only after the outlying firebases at Manaus are already overrun.
Felix abandons his position as soon as it becomes obvious that Barroso is actually attacking Manaus, and makes a comparatively swift progress back, considering that he has to contend with snipers and booby-traps every step of the way. He even manages to outflank an unlucky unit of Rebels on the outskirts of the city, but ultimately to no avail. As he approaches the fortifications of Manaus, he is fired upon by his own heavy artillery, and forced back.
Felix's casualties are relatively low, since the combat was largely diversionary, but morale is shattered. Of the twenty-five thousand men who went into the jungle, less than two thousand are actually killed, but over the Winter the desertion and defection rate will bleed Felix's troops of thousands of men. All Government forces in Manaus, both the healthy and the sick, are slaughtered and displayed "for the edification and amusement of the public," as Barroso phrases it. Civilian "collaborators and informants" are served likewise, as are any accused Jews, homosexuals, and "insolent" blacks and women.
The Western forts are destroyed or captured by the Rebels. The Eastern forts hold fast, however. Still, by the end of June Felix's total forces in the field are down to fifteen thousand hungry, beaten men with empty eyes. And Felix's base is lost.
Barroso's own casualties are comparatively high. But, then, either the Government was wrong in its initial estimates of O Movimento's strength or he found extra men somewhere before he commenced the Autumn's operations (the actual case), for well over twenty thousand Integralist soldiers now hold the fortified city of Manaus. The Government was also wrong about Rebel supply problems, because O Movimento lived partially off the land but was mainly supplied from somewhere overland.
Shipments of supplies to the Army by air, needless to say, cease.
1 Ironically, I'd just randomly determined that if Felx had been patient, and simply held out a few more months (and the airborne supplies would've helped immensely), he would've gotten lucky and found a major Rebel encampment. Moreover, as I mentioned, the arrival of the Zeppelins boosted morale a lot, and that was even more important than the supply issues. Felix would've turned things around so decisively I was starting to worry about my own appearance of objectivity. Not now, though. Yech.
2 For future reference, counterintelligence opoerations like this need some serious groundwork laid in order to have a reasonable chance of success. TG me and tell me you're trying to identify spies, and I'll determine your success rate, and let you know, and then you can start feeding them false information along with good information. In this case, unfortunately, I rolled very badly for Felix (even without his lack of preparation factored in), and his efforts were compromised by his own mutinous officers - who, sadly, still remain unidentified.
(OOC: Ginto, my troops are still waiting for your instructions, where do you want them?)
Gintonpar
28-09-2005, 16:36
Disheartened by this defeat, Felix is ordered back to Rio with the rest of his men and relieved of command. The government realises he is competent but also that to keep him in charge of that particular army would further reduce morale. The survivors of that army will be dispersed among other regiments so as not to have an army labelled 'the defeated'.
Felix, however, is distraught. He has lost the lives of his men whom he valued so dearly and feels he is now useless. He is only kept from suicide by the personal intervention of the President. He is reapppointed to the training of the State Guard and with a new determination and faith in his cause he applies himself immediately to the task. Especially since he will be granted command of the State Guard and the International Brigade in a few months once training is finished.
In the meantime, a new operation is announced, aimed at removing the shame of the previous defeat.
Main Offensive- Operation Beehive
The troops under General Os are increased to 105,000 men. Operations under Os previously were purely defensive as COBRA had a high presence there and Government troops have been engaged in running battles with rebel units. Now, Os has been given the order to bring COBRA to battle. He is supplied with fast firing 75mm guns of French design and the latest weaponry arriving also from France. 6,500 men of the elite troop are attached to Os's men and the stage is set.
Os's troop, now known as 1st Army, sends columns of highly mobile troops, backed by 1st armoured recon brigade, to pester centres of rebel influence. Whole villages are evacuated that are thought to be tainted by rebel sympathisers. A chokehold is established around food supplies and the elite troop is sent on spotting missions along with the Fokker planes to locate enemy troop concentrations. Captured rebels are interrogated by political officers and secret service operatives of both the German and Brazilian services. Os is hoping to find a rebel command centre and use overwhelming force to make it relocate and then catch them in the open, or if they hold firm an assault will be made on the rebel HQ. German and Brazilian intelligence operatives will be working in conjunction with the 1st Army to find a focus point of rebels and then prepare an attack.
Special Information:
Now that the regular troops previously under Felix have been withdrawn from Manaus, the tables have turned. It is now the rebels who control the area and who need to maintain support. Several newly established PRF cells are activated nearby and, using small arms and explosives, attack rebel military installations in and around Manaus, while at the same time attempting to garner the support of the populace by helping communal projects at village level. The PRF will refuse open conflict and will attack only military targets. Their main ambush targets will be food convoys and isolated military outposts.
Gintonpar
28-09-2005, 16:38
If it is acceptable to your Government we would like you to perform urban offensive and control operations alongside our troops in the Espiritu Santo region under our General Carlos. We think that in the future many of your operations will be city based so this will be a good indicator of your abilities and ways to improve them. This will also enable you to be supplied by sea. Also, jungle and countryside fighting patrols will be undertaken by your troops if the occasion calls for it in the region. Please let us know if this is acceptable and once again we are indeed grateful for your aid in this unfortunate business.
Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
ooc: I posted it a couple of pages back. If you want we could start operations in that particular region? TG me and we will work something out for an offensive there.
Gintonpar
28-09-2005, 16:51
sorry for giving you all this work with the all the new offensives vas :P lol seriously sorry if this is pissing you off but I kinda want to be energetic in fighting the war.
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 17:14
ooc
war moderator here... a nice job Vas first of all.
At this point food supplies to the cities and exports from the hinterland are going to be dropping off, alarmingly from some areas, seriously in others. Which is going to affect the Brazilian economy in a bad way. In addition, all of these troops and military operations PLUS the need to continue socialism in the areas under government control are very expensive. Brazil is going to have money problems very quickly. In addition, in order to keep the cities fed, it would probably have to start importing at least some food. Which it will probably have to buy on the world market. In other words, Brazil no longer has a positive balance of trade and in fact has a severe trade deficit now.
The Rebels don't have it all their way. They too are no longer able to export much, and only the fact that the Americans are providing them with money ($100 million allocated), weapons and supplies is keeping them in the fight.
Moving things around in the country is becoming increasingly difficult for both sides too. All in all, the fabric of Brazilian economic life has frayed severely.
Internationally it has little effect economically. There are other suppliers of rubber and coffee who eagerly fill in the gaps of Brazilian production. Some money is lost, and private sector investors aren't going to be rushing to invest in Brazil right now either, and some are going to lose the money they have invested. But not enough problems to effect the global economy.
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 17:15
GB: Thanks.
Gintonpar: No, no, no, I'm not pissed off at all - though it is hard to keep up with.
In fact, I'm going to be gone most of the day, but I wanted to add some quick notes about things:
The Amazonas
Felix's journey back will be hard (it is through enemy territory, after all), but he will make it back. With very few troops, however. Probably about ten thousand. These men will likely join the PRF, however, because they are now totally bughouse psychotic from everything they've been through.
The Mato Grosso
I haven't done anything with this, yet, I know. I figure what will happen is that COBRA will categorically refuse open battle, and concentrate on raiding, assassinations, and terrorism. Disease will hit Government forces as hard here as it did originally in the Amazonas - harder, actually, since some of the more creative Fundeiros will actually employ prostitutes with venereal diseases to spread infection in the Army - a tactic which proves phenomenally successful until enough men fall sick (and die) for the healthy ones to start actually following orders about the use of condoms (Latin men, you know . . .). I'll post casualty rates later tonight, and the results of the increased Government offensive in the region. Expect some military successes, but nothing exceptionally decisive, and high casualties from disease.
General Bacerra was eating dinner with his divisional commanders when his aide ran in the door:
"Sir, General Felix's army has been defeated and the Rebels led by Barroso took Manaus!"
Bacerra was surprised by this, "They took Manaus?"
"Yes sir."
Either Felix made a tactical error, Bacerra thought, or the rebels fought well. I hope for both to be true.
"If there are a few more decisive victories like this, gentlemen," Bacerra said to his division commanders, "We will be fighting alongside the rebels. The more victories they win, the less stable the Brazilian Government will be. Continue to drill the men, they may see action in the future."
The morale among the army was going up. Some of these men have seen war before, wars that Bolivia had lost. But morale in the army was higher than it had ever been.
All states listed are modern, and do not necessarily correspond to 1923 boundaries; edited and updated to reflect "current" battle lines:
The Government is strong in:
Amapa
Bahia
Ceara
Goias
Maranhao
Minas Gerais (though weakening due to Catholic influence)
Parana
Rio de Janeiro
Santa Catarina
Sao Paolo
Tocantins
O Movimento is strong in:
Amazonas
Para
Roraima
COBRA is strong in:
Alagoas
Espiritu Santo
Mato Grosso
Mato Grosso do Sul
Piaui
Rondonia
Sergipe
The Aliança is strong in:
Pernambuco
Rio Grande do Norte
Rio Grande do Sul
ooc: Who controls Acre province? I would asume O Movimento would since Acre is sandwiched between Amazonas and the Peruvian border.
(OOC: Ginto, my troops are still waiting for your instructions, where do you want them?)
*waves*
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 23:36
If it is acceptable to your Government we would like you to perform urban offensive and control operations alongside our troops in the Espiritu Santo region under our General Carlos. We think that in the future many of your operations will be city based so this will be a good indicator of your abilities and ways to improve them. This will also enable you to be supplied by sea. Also, jungle and countryside fighting patrols will be undertaken by your troops if the occasion calls for it in the region. Please let us know if this is acceptable and once again we are indeed grateful for your aid in this unfortunate business.
Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
ooc: I posted it a couple of pages back. If you want we could start operations in that particular region? TG me and we will work something out for an offensive there.
Apparently Mr. Spoot is hopped up on goofballs.
And Acre isn't really controlled by anyone at the moment. It's pretty sparsely inhabited, and no-one has bothered to contest it..
[NS]Parthini
29-09-2005, 03:20
The Worker's Republic sees the need of its bretheren and has allocated 150 Million dollars to fund the Brazilian efforts to smash the vile schweinenhundtz.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 09:18
Parthini']The Worker's Republic sees the need of its bretheren and has allocated 150 Million dollars to fund the Brazilian efforts to smash the vile schweinenhundtz.
We thank you for your boundless generosity to our cause and assure you that we shall not fail here.
ooc: hey vas, any word on the Matto Grosso offensive yet?
and Spooty, as I have said twice already lol, TG me and we can talk about an offensive in the Espiritu Santu region under our General Carlos.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 10:27
General Bacerra was eating dinner with his divisional commanders when his aide ran in the door:
"Sir, General Felix's army has been defeated and the Rebels led by Barroso took Manaus!"
Bacerra was surprised by this, "They took Manaus?"
"Yes sir."
Either Felix made a tactical error, Bacerra thought, or the rebels fought well. I hope for both to be true.
"If there are a few more decisive victories like this, gentlemen," Bacerra said to his division commanders, "We will be fighting alongside the rebels. The more victories they win, the less stable the Brazilian Government will be. Continue to drill the men, they may see action in the future."
The morale among the army was going up. Some of these men have seen war before, wars that Bolivia had lost. But morale in the army was higher than it had ever been.
We would like to make it clear both to the World and the Bolivian Government itself that any move by Bolivian Forces into Brazilian territory will be in direct violation of the non aggression pact between our two countries. We KNOW the Bolivian Government is sympathetic to the rebels, as we know about its designs on Acre. However, there is as yet no evidence to suggest a Bolivian presence in Brazil. We know that Bolivian arms are being used by rebels but there is no suggestion as yet that they are directly from the Government. To repeat, do not move into Brazil, you will be breaking a sacred alliance between our two countries and attacking a peaceful neighbour. Good day.
Apparently Mr. Spoot is hopped up on goofballs.
And Acre isn't really controlled by anyone at the moment. It's pretty sparsely inhabited, and no-one has bothered to contest it..
(OOC: mmm goofballs (: sorry, i'm blind)
Vas Pokhoronim
29-09-2005, 17:06
Mato Grosso, Summer to Fall to Winter to Spring, 1923
Actual Rebels numbers are estimated to be comparatively small here. Probably about twenty-five thousand, mostly cavlary of gaucho background, many of whom are skilled sharpshooters as well. But COBRA consistently avoids an open battle against the 1st Army, and over the months it becomes clear (thanks, chiefly, to aerial reconnaissance) that there is no Rebel "headquarters," as such, only hastily assembled meetings at constantly shifting locations, though the Fundeiros amuse themselves by hiring informants to direct Os's troops hither and yon across the state. Sometimes small Army units are lured into ambushes by these or other tactics, and casualties from the resulting exchanges of fire tend to be high on both sides. Since COBRA cannot afford the loss of men, these operations cease quickly, and Os grows increasingly frustrated with the "unmanful cowardice" of his enemies. Ironically, the public announcement of the General's disgust provokes an assassination attempt by one of the sons of the "Presidente e Marechal de Campanha," Hermenegildo Galvão himself, whom Os shoots dead. The boy's father quips, "I must thank the Government that I am rid of a fool for an heir," and changes his strategy not at all.
This is the greatest Government victory of the campaign.
Os finds at first that the Rebels are not particularly popular among the local camponeses, because the Fundeiros are oppressive and cruel. On the other hand, many are equally mistrustful of the "Godless" Government, and wish simply to be left alone. The Army at first simply enforces the old decrees of land reform, and wins some cautious support among the locals - which is swiftly crushed by the answering campaign of terror and Catholic propaganda that follows in the Army's wake. Few, if any, camponeses may be said to aid their old masters willingly, and virtually none do so joyfully, but Os's support among the local peasantry erodes quickly into a sullen, fearful complicity at best. Eventually, the General is indeed forced to begin relocations in some areas, but this wins him no more friends. Some forty thousand peasants are relocated in the first year and become urban poor. Welfare programs receive both Russian and German financial support (more from the latter than the former, as crop failures for the third straight year continue to trouble the Russian economy), but the Government's resources are stretched very thin.
Government casualties in the Mato Grosso are staggeringly high, and almost entirely due to disease, both of the ordinary and the social varieties (as previously mentioned, the Fundeiros hire infected prostitutes to deliberately spread disease among Government soldiers). Penicillin hasn't been invented yet, either, so things get pretty ugly in the Government camps, especially the latrines. Hygiene falls as soldiers become too embarassed to use them, or to shower. Over half the Army falls sick at some point due to some kind of disease or another, about twelve thousand die or are permanently crippled, and only the constant summoning of reserves from the Government allows Os to continue operations at all. Losses from actual combat are less than two thousand, with about half killed and the rest wounded. Combat casualties are higher for the Rebels, with three thousand dead and two thousand wounded. As they stop giving any kind of battle, however, they still maintain a comparatively healthy fighting force of over twenty thousand.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 19:10
ooc: just as a matter of interest, and me being no authority on the matter, do the rebels suffer at all from disease? I realise my men will suffer more being in larger numbers closer together but surely a noticeable toll would be taken on the rebels as well, what with them constantly being on the move and not many rest and recuperation periods. oh well.
Vas Pokhoronim
29-09-2005, 19:21
Disease rates are so much higher among Government forces because they're not operating on their home territory (at least not most of them). The Rebels, who are, are already acclimated to the festering jungles and swamps through which the campaigns are being fought. Rebel disease rates are about a fifth or less for that reason. As Government troops campaign for longer periods of time, they too will become acclimated, and casualties due to disease will fall off.
Ironically, however, reinforcements delay this process considerably.
And in the Mato Grosso, the Army's disease rates are artificially elevated by what amounts to germ warfare combined with some of the vulnerabilities of a culture of machismo.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 19:27
Mato Grosso, Summer to Fall to Winter to Spring, 1923
Actual Rebels numbers are estimated to be comparatively small here. Probably about twenty-five thousand, mostly cavlary of gaucho background, many of whom are skilled sharpshooters as well. But COBRA consistently avoids an open battle against the 1st Army, and over the months it becomes clear (thanks, chiefly, to aerial reconnaissance) that there is no Rebel "headquarters," as such, only hastily assembled meetings at constantly shifting locations, though the Fundeiros amuse themselves by hiring informants to direct Os's troops hither and yon across the state. Sometimes small Army units are lured into ambushes by these or other tactics, and casualties from the resulting exchanges of fire tend to be high on both sides. Since COBRA cannot afford the loss of men, these operations cease quickly, and Os grows increasingly frustrated with the "unmanful cowardice" of his enemies. Ironically, the public announcement of the General's disgust provokes an assassination attempt by one of the sons of the "Presidente e Marechal de Campanha," Hermenegildo Galvão himself, whom Os shoots dead. The boy's father quips, "I must thank the Government that I am rid of a fool for an heir," and changes his strategy not at all.
This is the greatest Government victory of the campaign.
Os finds at first that the Rebels are not particularly popular among the local camponeses, because the Fundeiros are oppressive and cruel. On the other hand, many are equally mistrustful of the "Godless" Government, and wish simply to be left alone. The Army at first simply enforces the old decrees of land reform, and wins some cautious support among the locals - which is swiftly crushed by the answering campaign of terror and Catholic propaganda that follows in the Army's wake. Few, if any, camponeses may be said to aid their old masters willingly, and virtually none do so joyfully, but Os's support among the local peasantry erodes quickly into a sullen, fearful complicity at best. Eventually, the General is indeed forced to begin relocations in some areas, but this wins him no more friends. Some forty thousand peasants are relocated in the first year and become urban poor. Welfare programs receive both Russian and German financial support (more from the latter than the former, as crop failures for the third straight year continue to trouble the Russian economy), but the Government's resources are stretched very thin.
Government casualties in the Mato Grosso are staggeringly high, and almost entirely due to disease, both of the ordinary and the social varieties (as previously mentioned, the Fundeiros hire infected prostitutes to deliberately spread disease among Government soldiers). Penicillin hasn't been invented yet, either, so things get pretty ugly in the Government camps, especially the latrines. Hygiene falls as soldiers become too embarassed to use them, or to shower. Over half the Army falls sick at some point due to some kind of disease or another, about twelve thousand die or are permanently crippled, and only the constant summoning of reserves from the Government allows Os to continue operations at all. Losses from actual combat are less than two thousand, with about half killed and the rest wounded. Combat casualties are higher for the Rebels, with three thousand dead and two thousand wounded. As they stop giving any kind of battle, however, they still maintain a comparatively healthy fighting force of over twenty thousand.
For his bravery in the face of personal danger to his life, Os is decorated and swiftly told to improve. His army dies of disease yet defeats the enemy in battle. A new commission is set up in the Army. The Army Sanitation Service, or ASS, is given a responsibility of keeping conditions in the field conducive to long campaigning. They are swiftly sent in to 1st Army encampments to install both healthcare and hygeine stations. De-lousing houses are set up and field vaccinations are now standard. Their interference is generally welcome and morale rises as the joke begins circulating the camp, "Hey Pedro, I hear you've got a lot of ASS around your tent". General Os gives his personal approval of the service, "I have personally needed ASS for a long time. I'm just glad these guys are here. If anything, I want more ASS, we havn't had anything resembling ASS for a long time and now there is ASS everywhere. I had a few in my personal tent only half an hour ago and I tell you, it was a fantastic sight."
Os is very popular and as a true frontline General, the Government listens when he speaks. He has called for a downscaling of troop numbers following disease, "The Army Sanitation Service are doing the best they can but the truth is, we really need to get a few men out of here. I can hunt the rebels just as effectively with 60,000 men." Following this comment, many troops are taken away for retraining and Os continues the offensive with the best of his troops. Focusing more on infantry tactics than massed artillery barrages and assaults. After the discovery there was no formal Rebel HQ Os is now pursuing the remaining rebel troops in the region and is still attempting to catch them off guard and bring them to battle.
Galveston Bay
29-09-2005, 19:33
Fully aware that disease is their greatest ally, the Rebels begin instructing snipers to target doctors and medics, and efforts are made to send a few mortar rounds into hygiene stations whenver possible.
A determined effort is also made to infilitrate the headquarters area of General Os and permanently remove him from the battle.
In the cities as effort is made to spread leaflets condemning the government for caring more about their soldiers than pregnant women and babies (ooc those medical people have to come from somewhere) and complaining that the government is stripping the cities of doctors to fight their war.
ooc
it doesn't have to be true to be good propaganda
Vas Pokhoronim
29-09-2005, 20:04
Fully aware that disease is their greatest ally, the Rebels begin instructing snipers to target doctors and medics, and efforts are made to send a few mortar rounds into hygiene stations whenver possible.
Moderate success, though casualties among the Rebel forces rise proportionately as they intensify engagement. I'll hand out numbers later, as again I'll be gone for most of the day. The new strategies employed by the Army, however, have considerable success. Expect some death and disruption, on both sides, but the balance favors the Government.
(Oh. And while the joke obviously wouldn't work in Portuguese, there are, like, three thousand different terms for the female genitals in Brazilian slang, so it wouldn't be difficult to find an equivalent acronym to ASS. So go ahead and keep calling that, though we'll assume the "real" name is something different in Portuguese.)
A determined effort is also made to infilitrate the headquarters area of General Os and permanently remove him from the battle.
Humiliating failure of two assassins, one caught by Os's bodyguards when he attempts to draw his pistol and drops it. Another tries to shoot Os from a distance, but his weapon jams and he is caught by a routine patrol. Both are put before firing squads, and their failure only enhances Os's reputation. (They rolled as poorly as possible.)
In the cities as effort is made to spread leaflets condemning the government for caring more about their soldiers than pregnant women and babies (ooc those medical people have to come from somewhere) and complaining that the government is stripping the cities of doctors to fight their war.
Moderate success, chiefly due to increasing economic hardships due to the war. Protests begin, and some are rather loud and unruly, but as yet no riots. The war is becoming unpopular on the home front . . . not that anyone is a viable alternative.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 20:10
Fully aware that disease is their greatest ally, the Rebels begin instructing snipers to target doctors and medics, and efforts are made to send a few mortar rounds into hygiene stations whenver possible.
A determined effort is also made to infilitrate the headquarters area of General Os and permanently remove him from the battle.
In the cities as effort is made to spread leaflets condemning the government for caring more about their soldiers than pregnant women and babies (ooc those medical people have to come from somewhere) and complaining that the government is stripping the cities of doctors to fight their war.
ooc
it doesn't have to be true to be good propaganda
Meh, the best propaganda isn't. What was it Hitler said? (in between the anti-semitism), 'Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it'. Following from that principle the Brazilian Government spreads a rumour that controlling the rebels is a giant space monkey...nah I'm kidding.
IC:
Noticing a strange increase in anti-government propaganda, pro-government propaganda is also sent in massive quantities onto the streets detailing abuses and crimes by rebel forces. Conveniently attached to the propaganda leaflets is details for joining the armed forces.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 20:14
lol the joke was just meant as some light relief for the players. just for you Vas snuckums :fluffle:
United Tribes Cacicate
29-09-2005, 20:28
OOC: You know too much about my country, how?? Do you study it in school??
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 20:38
OOC: You know too much about my country, how?? Do you study it in school??
I'm guessing you mean Vas but I didn't study it. Have to ask Vas or Galveston about them though. I'm from the UK so probably vastly different syllabi.
In the Argentine newspapers over the last couple of months, stories of Brazilian instability and rebellion have abound, particularly about skirmishes near the Uruguay and Argentine border. The Argentine 1st Division is called up (in addition to the 3rd and 6th already activated) to guard the Argentine side.
Lately, rumors of armed militants of both sides breaking into Uruguay and Argentina to continue the fight has been spreading like wildfire through Buenos Aires. Reports of atrocities, women being raped, children being killed, churches being burned, have the people calling for the government to take action.
In actuallity, the reports are overblown. Few, if any rebels or government/paramilitary units have crossed either border. But with the Argentine people calling for something to done, and with the President and his cabinet silently urging on the rumors, it was only a matter of time before the Argentine military would make their move.
President José Calderón makes his announcement:
"Ladies and Gentlemen of Argentina, the instability of Brazil is rapidly getting out of hand, as it threatens to continue it's progress onto our soil and rolls inexorably toward collapsing the legitimate government of Uruguay. I have recieved word from Gen. Agustín Pedro Justo has been given command of the 1st, 3rd and 6th divisions to relieve Uruguay's battered defenses and further patrol the Argentine border.
"It is clear from what we are seeing at this time that Brazil, either complacently or implicatly is violating the spirit of our treaty with reguards to Uruguay, and that we must act quickly and decisively to secure the safety of the Uruguayan people."
Within hours, telegraphs had broadcasted the orders for the 3rd and 6th Divisions to move foward into Uruguay to occupy the small nation.
Also, due to the rail lines being tied up with Argentine supplies for the Army, it is unable to support the Zionist supply lines. Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs Mellon suggests that the Zionists use their harbor and merchant marine as a transport for their supplies.
Galveston Bay
29-09-2005, 20:59
In Uruguay, the Argentine announcement is not met with joy. However, with only 12,000 men in the army, and only 15 battalions of infantry, they don't have a prayer of standing up to the invasion unless Brazil honors its treaty. Only 6 battalions are immediately available and ready to fight, and they are rushed to the Argentine border as quickly as possible. The other 9 battalions, and the rest of the army, hope the epic defense of Montivedio back in the 1840s can be carried off again. They hunker down at the edge of the capital and hope for the best.
OOC: Almost forgot!
IC:
The Argentine Battleships Buenos Aires, and La Plata, as well as the crusers Republica, and Tierra del Fuego have moved north-east to Uruguay's coast.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 21:04
In the Argentine newspapers over the last couple of months, stories of Brazilian instability and rebellion have abound, particularly about skirmishes near the Uruguay and Argentine border. The Argentine 1st Division is called up (in addition to the 3rd and 6th already activated) to guard the Argentine side.
Lately, rumors of armed militants of both sides breaking into Uruguay and Argentina to continue the fight has been spreading like wildfire through Buenos Aires. Reports of atrocities, women being raped, children being killed, churches being burned, have the people calling for the government to take action.
In actuallity, the reports are overblown. Few, if any rebels or government/paramilitary units have crossed either border. But with the Argentine people calling for something to done, and with the President and his cabinet silently urging on the rumors, it was only a matter of time before the Argentine military would make their move.
President José Calderón makes his announcement:
"Ladies and Gentlemen of Argentina, the instability of Brazil is rapidly getting out of hand, as it threatens to continue it's progress onto our soil and rolls inexorably toward collapsing the legitimate government of Uruguay. I have recieved word from Gen. Agustín Pedro Justo has been given command of the 1st, 3rd and 6th divisions to relieve Uruguay's battered defenses and further patrol the Argentine border.
"It is clear from what we are seeing at this time that Brazil, either complacently or implicatly is violating the spirit of our treaty with reguards to Uruguay, and that we must act quickly and decisively to secure the safety of the Uruguayan people."
Within hours, telegraphs had broadcasted the orders for the 3rd and 6th Divisions to move foward into Uruguay to occupy the small nation.
Also, due to the rail lines being tied up with Argentine supplies for the Army, it is unable to support the Zionist supply lines. Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs Mellon suggests that the Zionists use their harbor and merchant marine as a transport for their supplies.
President Lafuentes himself has vehemently refuted the claims that Brazilian troops have been operating anywhere NEAR the borders. "The zones are under rebel control and not in our sphere of operations, our troops were withdrawn from those regions at the start of the conflict. Our main operations are taking place to the North of Uruguay and Argentina and we have NOTHING scheduled for operations anywhere near either border. Direct your anger at the rebels, for it is they who control those areas, not us. The rebels are likely scavenging for food and gun running. Also, the only place we employ paramilitaries are in the North near Manaus (ooc:which, Vas, could we have a combat report on them? Estimated PRF strength there is about 2,000 engaging in operations against purely military targets while aiding local villagers).
We have no responsibility for either the Uruguayan or Argentinian borders at the moment as our forces are deployed a long way elsewhere. If, on the other hand, the Argentinian or Uruguayan troops would like to launch an attack on rebel units that ARE in the area, we give permission for access to our soil for that purpose.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 21:11
Also, (as agreed with Spooty by telegram), Brazilian and Zionist troops (3,500 strong) are conducting operations in the Espiritu Santu region. Joint patrols are taking place in the urban areas and in the countryside, Zionist reconnaisance troops are sent on missions to detect rebels of rebel concentration and then call in Brazilian kill teams to the area to launch attacks. There are only around 7,000 Braziliain troops in the small region and General Carlos is hoping to avoid the danger of disease with a smaller army. Much greater emphasis is placed on mobile infantry tactics as opposed to massive uses of force previously employed by the Brazilian Army. It is hoped that some valuable lessons and perhaps a minor victory may be achieved with these new tactics.
President José Calderón assures the Brazilian leader that his troops are moving into Uruguay and the Argentine border mearly to protect the people of both countries from either rebels or paramilitary units that might be resisting rebel occupation of the border provinces. He also chides him slightly for allowing rebels to gain control of the border regions, but wishes him all the luck in the continuing struggle to hunt them down.
The 1st Division moves after the 3rd and 6th, acting as a mobile reserve. Front line troops are told to call out for the Uruguay military to stand down, and if they refuse, "to remove them a threat to the Uruguay civilians".
Also, (as agreed with Spooty by telegram), Brazilian and Zionist troops (3,500 strong) are conducting operations in the Espiritu Santu region. Joint patrols are taking place in the urban areas and in the countryside, Zionist reconnaisance troops are sent on missions to detect rebels of rebel concentration and then call in Brazilian kill teams to the area to launch attacks. There are only around 7,000 Braziliain troops in the small region and General Carlos is hoping to avoid the danger of disease with a smaller army. Much greater emphasis is placed on mobile infantry tactics as opposed to massive uses of force previously employed by the Brazilian Army. It is hoped that some valuable lessons and perhaps a minor victory may be achieved with these new tactics.
(OOC: actually only 1,250 of my troops are combat orientated, the rest are either Command or Logistics)
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 21:19
President José Calderón assures the Brazilian leader that his troops are moving into Uruguay and the Argentine border mearly to protect the people of both countries from either rebels or paramilitary units that might be resisting rebel occupation of the border provinces. He also chides him slightly for allowing rebels to gain control of the border regions, but wishes him all the luck in the continuing struggle to hunt them down.
The 1st Division moves after the 3rd and 6th, acting as a mobile reserve. Front line troops are told to call out for the Uruguay military to stand down, and if they refuse, "to remove them a threat to the Uruguay civilians".
ooc:We never really had control of the territory. They were so far away from our coastal government they pretty much ran themselves anyway. Its a big country after all.
IC: The Brazilian Government wishes to know if the Argentine military would wish to conduct limited operations alongisde our forces to purge the rebel taint from the border regions? With your help we could surely crush some rebels between a rock and a hard place.
ooc: also check your TGs Manarth.
OOC: For easy reference:
Argentine Military moving into Uruguay.
1st Infantry Division: (15,000 men) (Reserve Force)
1st Infantry Regement (5,000)
3rd Infantry Regement (4,500)
4th Infantry Regement (4,500)
201st Artillery Battalion (1,000)
3rd Cavalry Division: (13,000 men)
1st Mounted Infantry Regement (4,000)
2nd Cavalry Regement (4,000)
1st Cavalry Regement (4,000)
203rd Artillery Battalion (1,000)
6th Infantry Division (9,000 men)
8th Infantry Regement (4,000)
6th Infantry Regement (4,000)
206th Artillery Battalion (1000)
Edit: Telegram sent to Brazil
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 21:27
(OOC: actually only 1,250 of my troops are combat orientated, the rest are either Command or Logistics)
Fair enough. Hopefully we can get some success here.
Vas Pokhoronim
30-09-2005, 05:43
I'm not a giant space monkey. I take umbrage at the suggestion I'm even a primate. Insolent little humans. You'll get yours when - heh! Nearly got me, didn't you? Ī wa yawîga da! Dasei huku.
Anyway. Back to controlling the war. Wak ūrdótu ī umitaka sekamdu. Gākke.
Pro-Government propaganda helps, but the campaign is unable to mask the day-to-day hardships people - and especially poor people - are beginning to face. Standing in long lines at the commissary to get toilet paper only to find it completely gone an hour before you arrive at the counter has a way of eroding one's faith in Socialism, and this is the kind of thing that people are beginning to experience.
As for the casualty rates in the Mato Grosso, the Rebels lose take heavy losses (for them), about two thousand dead and another two thousand wounded, before calling off their attacks and returning to their hiding-places. The exchange for them was ruinous - one thousand Government troops killed, fifteen hundred wounded, though several medical installations and critical shipments were destroyed, adversely affecting ASS's abilities to do their job in some areas. Those areas are duly evacuated of all inhabitants, making life yet more difficult for COBRA, yet also contributing to the generally low morale in the Government-held population centers as disaffected refugees continue to pour in by the tens of thousands.
One thing the Rebels get out of it, though, is that they do take out a Zeppelin.
I'll try to post more about the Amazonas tomorrow. Right now I have another (!) damn Albanian crisis to deal with, and then I must grow somnolent and subsequently dormant.
Gintonpar
30-09-2005, 16:24
I'm not a giant space monkey. I take umbrage at the suggestion I'm even a primate. Insolent little humans. You'll get yours when - heh! Nearly got me, didn't you? Ī wa yawîga da! Dasei huku.
Anyway. Back to controlling the war. Wak ūrdótu ī umitaka sekamdu. Gākke.
Pro-Government propaganda helps, but the campaign is unable to mask the day-to-day hardships people - and especially poor people - are beginning to face. Standing in long lines at the commissary to get toilet paper only to find it completely gone an hour before you arrive at the counter has a way of eroding one's faith in Socialism, and this is the kind of thing that people are beginning to experience.
As for the casualty rates in the Mato Grosso, the Rebels lose take heavy losses (for them), about two thousand dead and another two thousand wounded, before calling off their attacks and returning to their hiding-places. The exchange for them was ruinous - one thousand Government troops killed, fifteen hundred wounded, though several medical installations and critical shipments were destroyed, adversely affecting ASS's abilities to do their job in some areas. Those areas are duly evacuated of all inhabitants, making life yet more difficult for COBRA, yet also contributing to the generally low morale in the Government-held population centers as disaffected refugees continue to pour in by the tens of thousands.
One thing the Rebels get out of it, though, is that they do take out a Zeppelin.
I'll try to post more about the Amazonas tomorrow. Right now I have another (!) damn Albanian crisis to deal with, and then I must grow somnolent and subsequently dormant.
Was everybody on board the Zeppelin killed by the way or is the crash sight still under dispute?
The French condemn the blatant grab for Urugay by Argentina and vow that if Argentinian troops attempt to engage Uruguay military forces that France will respond with a decleration of war upon Argentina.
"We cannot allow blatant imperialism to go on anywhere! Argentina is acting as a thret to the stability of South America and must be stopped."
A portion of the French Atlantic Fleet is preparing to steam for the Americas and several divisions of troops have been put on standby.
United Tribes Cacicate
30-09-2005, 16:42
Moderate success, though casualties among the Rebel forces rise proportionately as they intensify engagement. I'll hand out numbers later, as again I'll be gone for most of the day. The new strategies employed by the Army, however, have considerable success. Expect some death and disruption, on both sides, but the balance favors the Government.
(Oh. And while the joke obviously wouldn't work in Portuguese, there are, like, three thousand different terms for the female genitals in Brazilian slang, so it wouldn't be difficult to find an equivalent acronym to ASS. So go ahead and keep calling that, though we'll assume the "real" name is something different in Portuguese.)
Humiliating failure of two assassins, one caught by Os's bodyguards when he attempts to draw his pistol and drops it. Another tries to shoot Os from a distance, but his weapon jams and he is caught by a routine patrol. Both are put before firing squads, and their failure only enhances Os's reputation. (They rolled as poorly as possible.)
Moderate success, chiefly due to increasing economic hardships due to the war. Protests begin, and some are rather loud and unruly, but as yet no riots. The war is becoming unpopular on the home front . . . not that anyone is a viable alternative.
still OOC: what joke?? Do you really want to know how is *ss in pt_BR??
Gintonpar
30-09-2005, 17:09
still OOC: what joke?? Do you really want to know how is *ss in pt_BR??
Nah man its just a joke we had from a few posts back. Nothing really important.
President José Calderón talks privately to the French embassador in Argentina, assuring him that the intentions of the occupation are not imperialistic, but mearly defensive in the face of the rapid breakdown of order in Brazil. "It allows us to have all our forces foward against the Brazilian insurrection, which in turn protects all Latin American people from the spread of unrest and rebellion."
President José Calderón also points out his nation's alliances with Japan and Great Britian, and reminds the French of the previously good terms it was in with Argentina. He asks several times if it is worth ruining a good relationship over the semantic rubbish of "imperialism" when Argentina is clearly acting in the best interests of Uruguayan and Argentinian citizens, and is morally and treaty bound to do so. He also takes the time to show that Brazil, France's friend, has permitted the occupation to occure. He also points out that France is one to talk about "imperialism" while it still holds most of Africa as it's colonial possession.
Calderón further notes, that if any engagements between Argentine soldiers and Uruguay citizens are reported, that it is clear that such are already influenced and corrupted by outside insurgients, and that it is even more imperative for Argentina to bring peace and stability to the small country.
He also suggests finding a way to work out France's objections to his military's move in a peaceful manner. No nation, he reasons, should revert to war as a knee-jerk reaction without first hearing both sides of arguements at hand, and that France and her President would do well to listen to more than just the Uruguay point of view, which in his oppinion is looking more and more as though it is influenced by either rebels or paramilitary forces out of Brazil.
Gintonpar
30-09-2005, 17:31
President José Calderón talks privately to the French embassador in Argentina, assuring him that the intentions of the occupation are not imperialistic, but mearly defensive in the face of the rapid breakdown of order in Brazil. "It allows us to have all our forces foward against the Brazilian insurrection, which in turn protects all Latin American people from the spread of unrest and rebellion."
President José Calderón also points out his nation's alliances with Japan and Great Britian, and reminds the French of the previously good terms it was in with Argentina. He asks several times if it is worth ruining a good relationship over the semantic rubbish of "imperialism" when Argentina is clearly acting in the best interests of Uruguayan and Argentinian citizens, and is morally and treaty bound to do so. He also takes the time to show that Brazil, France's friend, has permitted the occupation to occure. He also points out that France is one to talk about "imperialism" while it still holds most of Africa as it's colonial possession.
Calderón further notes, that if any engagements between Argentine soldiers and Uruguay citizens are reported, that it is clear that such are already influenced and corrupted by outside insurgients, and that it is even more imperative for Argentina to bring peace and stability to the small country.
He also suggests finding a way to work out France's objections to his military's move in a peaceful manner. No nation, he reasons, should revert to war as a knee-jerk reaction without first hearing both sides of arguements at hand, and that France and her President would do well to listen to more than just the Uruguay point of view, which in his oppinion is looking more and more as though it is influenced by either rebels or paramilitary forces out of Brazil.
We didn't give your permission to invade Uruguay. We said we wouldn't mind if you and Uruguay were using your forces against the rebels but saying as you are not launching direct offensives then your action doesn't have our approval. Nevertheless, we would not wish your countries to go to war. How about Argentina withdraws its troops on the provision that a major rebel movement in Uruguay is answered by a joint Uruguayan and Argentinian military operation? That is surely preferable to war between France and Argentina and also to the occupation of Uruguay?
Deepest Regards to both of your nations,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 17:49
It quickly became clear to the Uruguay command that the Argentines beat them to the border. The 6 battalions ordered to the border are recalled, and they, along with the rest of the army and numerous hurriedly equipped volunteers man a perimeter around the capital city.
They were determined to fight for it.
ooc
the Uruguay Army in 1924 is 12,000 men, and is actually reasonably well trained and has a successful tradition dating back to the war of independence. It won't be a pushover to take the capital. In addition, about 6,000 volunteeers have come out and have been equipped and mixed in with the regulars. These are mostly former soldiers and will fight adequately. The Uruguayian navy is only a few minesweepers and patrol craft, and it remains in harbor. The army does have a small number of aircraft which it is using for scouting.
To: Brazil's Politburo and Parliament
CC: France's Embassador to Argentina
We would be more than willing to conduct joint Uruguayan/Argentine opperations if the Uruguay government were not so adamant as to their reaction to our military's presence. You can see for yourself! We are moving in only to occupy the area and defend it from any spread of rebellion, and the reactions of the Uruguay army only serve to show that the rebels have beaten us there. The only solution now is for a stable, outside force to occupy Uruguay before more people suffer the fate you yourselves are suffering.
I propose that we allow Japan, an ally to both my nation and France to moniter the Argentine occupation of Uruguay. They will be able to act as a fair and neutral arbitrator should trouble arise.
I assure all of you personally that we have already called the Uruguay military to stand down, and will be accepting any white flags. We do not want Uruguay citizens dead, but we will have peace and stability in areas Argentina can protect. We will not stand by silently and allow innocents to suffer so that insurectionists, anarchists, and those who upset the balance of power in this region can advance their simple minded political objectives. Let's have Brazil, France, and Argentina stand up together and say with one voice "You're with us, or your with the rebels, the illegitimate governments, the anarchists of the world."
It is my dearest hope that you consider my words with care and avoid jumping to conclusions about our intervention.
Your good friend,
President José Calderón
Republic of Argentina
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 17:57
Uruguay is officially demanding that Argentina withdraw, and denies firmly that any rebels are operating out of its territory. Uruguay, which has had democratic rule since 1904, also denies that it is a socialist nation, and members of its legislature sends letters to the Argentinian legislature requesting they rein in their army. Finally, Uruguay requests that Brazil honor its treaty and help them repel the invasion if Argentina doesn't withdraw.
Vas Pokhoronim
30-09-2005, 18:24
I am officially empowering Galveston Bay to deal with anything that happens in South America today.
Troop forces for the Rebels are (approximately):
O Movimento - 23,000
COBRA - 17,000
Alianca - 10,000
These are tiny forces, and surely the end of major combat operations is at hand . . . But as I say, GB will deal with everything that happens today.
Gintonpar
30-09-2005, 18:29
Uruguay is officially demanding that Argentina withdraw, and denies firmly that any rebels are operating out of its territory. Uruguay, which has had democratic rule since 1904, also denies that it is a socialist nation, and members of its legislature sends letters to the Argentinian legislature requesting they rein in their army. Finally, Uruguay requests that Brazil honor its treaty and help them repel the invasion if Argentina doesn't withdraw.
ooc: do I have a treaty with them? and by the way I'm going out for a good few hours so nothing major please guys. thanks.
To The Government of Argentina
Why is it deemed neccessary to occupy Uruguay? They have already denied all rebel activity and our ambassador there reports no activity from rebels, socialist or otherwise. This is a blatant, unprvoked attack by Argentina against the peaceful nation of Uruguay and will not be tolerated by the French people or it's government.
The only rebellion currenly under way is in Brazil. It may have come over the Urugayan border, but that is for the Uruguayan government to handle, not Argentina. Any further advances by Argentinian troops will be viewed as an act of war against the peaceful Uruguayan people and France will respond accordingly. Withdraw your troops immediatly.
Signed,
Édouard Daladier - Vice President of the Council and Minister of National Defense and War
and
Yvon Delbos - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Of the council of clan
30-09-2005, 19:21
TO: Yvon Delbos - Minister of Foreign Affairs
FROM: Prince Hirohito
Please stand down in reguards to Uruguay. It is my oppinion that Argentina is in the right, and Japan will defend them if they are attacked by French forces. We remind France that Japan sticks up for their allies even when two of their allies are involved in a situation. Japan stuck up for France in Indochina when China threatened an invasion. We feel that Uruguay is in no way important to the security of the French people, but is extremely important to the continued security of the Argentine nation.
OOC: Come on man I'd hate to do it but I will. You owe me for Indochina even though you sold most of it.
To the Government of Japan
This is not your affair. This is a blatant land-grab by the Argentinian Government against the nation of Uruguay and could eventually threaten the security of our friend, Brazil. We will not back down. If you truly wish to declare war on France for attempting to defend another smaller, weaker nation then you are in the wrong.
France has no wish to go to war against an ally such as Japan, but we cannot back down.
Yvon Delbos - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Of the council of clan
30-09-2005, 20:19
Yvon Delbos - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Japan is amazed that you would talk about Impirialism and land-grabbing as though it was a bad thing. You still control most of Africa as well as Vietnam as your colonies. Japan is a very imperialistic nation, and sees nothing wrong with taking territory to insure security and would assume that France should feel the same way.
We will not declair war against France, but we WILL DEFEND Argentina against any other nation's aggression. And we personally pledge that Argentina has no reason to go to war with Brazil.
OOC: You owe me from Indo-china, and snubbed me several times when I offered to purchase your Pacific territories. You owe me.
France would like to point out that Vietnam is currently a commonwealth, not a colony and are on their way to self-government. There are plans in the works for African commonwealths as well. However, they may not be implmented for some time.
If it becomes neccessary to land French troops in the Americas then they will not cross the Argentinian border. They will defend Uruguay only.
OOC: Umm...Like I've said earlier, I did not see your request for the islands until later...After I'd sold them. Furthermore, I owe you nothing. You backed me up in Indo-China, but that matter has been resolved permenatly. Stop trying to convince me with OOC reasons. It's not going to happen.
We would like to make it clear both to the World and the Bolivian Government itself that any move by Bolivian Forces into Brazilian territory will be in direct violation of the non aggression pact between our two countries. We KNOW the Bolivian Government is sympathetic to the rebels, as we know about its designs on Acre. However, there is as yet no evidence to suggest a Bolivian presence in Brazil. We know that Bolivian arms are being used by rebels but there is no suggestion as yet that they are directly from the Government. To repeat, do not move into Brazil, you will be breaking a sacred alliance between our two countries and attacking a peaceful neighbour. Good day.
The Bolivian government would like to ensure the Brazilian government that the Bolivian government has not supplied the rebels with anything. The Bolivian made weapons got there are most likely from smugglers opperating out of Bolivia. We do not wish to break our pact.
ooc: question, would the Brazilian governements know about Bolivia's designs for Acre? also, Vas, I sent you a TG.
President Mallea in La Paz speaks out against the Agentinian move into Uraguay. He is quoted to say, "... All peaceloving and neutral nations of Latin America should band together in this time of conflict. Uraguay was brought into this conflict against its will. We should all work together to stop this kind to thing from happening again...".
Bolivian emmisaries have been sent to Lima Peru and Asunción Paraguay.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 21:30
ooc: do I have a treaty with them? and by the way I'm going out for a good few hours so nothing major please guys. thanks.
ooc
yep, dates back nearly 50 years.. you and Argentina both signed it guaranteeing Uruguay's independence. Uruguay is not part of the Pan American treaty or LTA, and neither is Argentina, and neither is Brazil, so the US is not obligated to defend any of them.
IC
However, the US government is not amused. It is asking both France and Japan to not intervene in the situation in order to prevent the break out of war between those two nations. The US government is asking the Uruguayian government if it is officially requesting assistance from the US government. All sales of military supplies to Argentina are halted, and the US asks the European nations to do the same. The Argentine invasion is condemned harshly, especially in the press. Finally, the US Caribbean Fleet is ordered to take station off the mouth of the Rio Plata.
OOC
Now lets talk about steaming times. France is a long way from Uruguay, and by the time ships can get there carrying troops at a cruising speed of 10 knots it is possible the war will be over (figure at least a month). Even warships will take 2 weeks. The US can't get there much faster. It has a fleet in the Caribbean, but it will take 8 days to reach Uruguay.
Finally, the Uruguayians will fight, and fight hard, and Argentina does not have much of an edge in actual forces deployed. So it is possible the defenders will hold, but not certain. Either way, a quick assault will be over before anybody can get there. Unless the British send in their African squadron, as it can get there in 5 days.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 21:32
I am officially empowering Galveston Bay to deal with anything that happens in South America today.
Troop forces for the Rebels are (approximately):
O Movimento - 23,000
COBRA - 17,000
Alianca - 10,000
These are tiny forces, and surely the end of major combat operations is at hand . . . But as I say, GB will deal with everything that happens today.
at this point the Rebels are going to cease active operations and work on avoiding battle if at all possible. However, terrorist operations continue in the cities and villages, and small groups are occasionally ambushed in the hinterlands.
Of the council of clan
30-09-2005, 21:34
France would like to point out that Vietnam is currently a commonwealth, not a colony and are on their way to self-government. There are plans in the works for African commonwealths as well. However, they may not be implmented for some time.
If it becomes neccessary to land French troops in the Americas then they will not cross the Argentinian border. They will defend Uruguay only.
OOC: Umm...Like I've said earlier, I did not see your request for the islands until later...After I'd sold them. Furthermore, I owe you nothing. You backed me up in Indo-China, but that matter has been resolved permenatly. Stop trying to convince me with OOC reasons. It's not going to happen.
Japan will support its allie Argentina in ensuring THEIR own security by taking Uruguay and where was France when Germany invaded Denmark, where was France when the United States invaded Venezuala where were your promises of war and French troops to defend the smaller weaker nations then, was it only because France is afraid to confront a larger and more powerful nation like the United States and Germany, is France too fearfull to fight anyone powerful? Does France not care about over 20 years of Friendship and goodwill the Japanese have provided? Does France not care that they are alienating a staunch allie that has supported them fully for over 20 years? The Japanese Government assures the French that Argentina has no further ambitions in Brazil. Argentina and Brazil have good relations and no reason to go to war. Japan would also like to politely remind France that as longtime friends Japan but their blood and prestige on the line to defend FRENCH IMPERIALISM and that even though now France no longer has controlled the area the fact still remains that we could and would have supported France and that would be an affront to Japanese Honor and a Grave insult if France so blithely forgets what one friend has done for another.
Japan will support its allie Argentina in ensuring THEIR own security by taking Uruguay and where was France when Germany invaded Denmark, where was France when the United States invaded Venezuala where were your promises of war and French troops to defend the smaller weaker nations then, was it only because France is afraid to confront a larger and more powerful nation like the United States and Germany, is France too fearfull to fight anyone powerful? Does France not care about over 20 years of Friendship and goodwill the Japanese have provided? Does France not care that they are alienating a staunch allie that has supported them fully for over 20 years? The Japanese Government assures the French that Argentina has no further ambitions in Brazil. Argentina and Brazil have good relations and no reason to go to war. Japan would also like to politely remind France that as longtime friends Japan but their blood and prestige on the line to defend FRENCH IMPERIALISM and that even though now France no longer has controlled the area the fact still remains that we could and would have supported France and that would be an affront to Japanese Honor and a Grave insult if France so blithely forgets what one friend has done for another.
Denmark? Denmark was quickly becoming an authortarian state, with the people subjagated. The Germans liberated the Danish from their own government.
France does indeed care about their ally, the Japanese. However, we do not see why the Argentinians need to occupy Uruguay and subjagate it's people. We do not see eye-to-eye on this and perhaps it would be better if Japan and France parted ways. We do not wish to hold obligations to defend a nation that will stab us in the back when we attempt to do what is right and just. If Japan continues to oppose France then we will be forced to cut off rubber exports to your nation.
France is certainly not afraid to face anyone, least of all the Japanese, on the battlefield. America is and remains an ally and friend of France.
France cuts off all arms sales to Argentina and imposes an embargo on all Argentinian goods, turning them back at their ports and colonies.
Colombia will NOT allow Japanese vessels through the Panama Canal. Colombia officially condemns this invasion; How can the Argentinians whine so loudly about Venezeula only to turn completely around and attack an entirely harmless country?
The Colombian Navy is being prepared for operations, and its eight submarines will move south to shadow the Argentinians.
Colombia will NOT allow Japanese vessels through the Panama Canal. Colombia officially condemns this invasion; How can the Argentinians whine so loudly about Venezeula only to turn completely around and attack an entirely harmless country?
The Colombian Navy is being prepared for operations, and its eight submarines will move south to shadow the Argentinians.
The Bolivian government tells the Colombian government that it completely agrees with what Colombia has just said. Uraguay was brought into a conflict against its will.
Secret IC:
General Bacerra's army was moved from its base in eastern Bolivia to its new base in the vicinity of Sucre.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 23:51
The US Caribbean Fleet, having just recently completed refit after the June Fleet problem, is ordered to take up stations off the Rio Plata. The USS Arkansas, and 5 destroyers steam south at 20 knots, reaching a position 10 miles off Montevideo 8 days after the Argentine invasion begins. Further out, the Carrier Roosevelt, escort by 6 light cruisers and 5 destroyers, reaches its station 100 miles off the coast at the same time. Trailing at their best speed of 10 knots are several submarines, which will reach station a week after the rest of the fleet.
For now the announced mission is to protect US lives and property and evacuate any neutrals who wish to leave. A pair of US Navy transports and two chartered liners are rushing south, and they reach the Rio Plata area a week after the rest of the US fleet does.
ooc
submarines are pretty slow at this point in history
Gintonpar
01-10-2005, 00:03
Brazil will sadly be obligated to defend our Uruguayan allies. Training of our army has continued apace and undoubtedly has more battle experience than your troops. However, we would hate a war. We are currently fighting one of our own but with the size of our nation troops could be spared. Please, we beg you not to invade. We want peace on the Continent and the way to ensure it is not invasion. The Uruguayan Army has ample means to capture rebels on their side of the border and has already done an admirable job in returning the rebels they have captured. Please sirs, war is foolish, we know this ourselves and would dearly love not to keep fighting. We would gain nothing from more war. For our sake, Argentina, withdraw.
Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
Gintonpar
01-10-2005, 00:08
The Bolivian government would like to ensure the Brazilian government that the Bolivian government has not supplied the rebels with anything. The Bolivian made weapons got there are most likely from smugglers opperating out of Bolivia. We do not wish to break our pact.
ooc: question, would the Brazilian governements know about Bolivia's designs for Acre? also, Vas, I sent you a TG.
I think judging from the military build up there then possibly, but, not too sure really. its kinda irrelevant now though i guess.
OOC: Oh for crying out loud! It's Uruguay! None of you with the exception of Brazil have any vested interest there, and I WAS ON THIER SIDE! Can't we have a nice little war without every nation and their uncle jumping in, especially when no one's treaties have been violated?
IC:
In light of the international response to the attempted occupation, President José Calderón has ordered his troops to pull back to the Uruguay border. He asks France and Brazil why they, as friends of Argentina, would deny it the right to defend itself properly.
He also tenders his resignation, leaving Vice President Marcelo Albano Urrutia in charge of the nation.
OOC: Oh for crying out loud! It's Uruguay! None of you with the exception of Brazil have any vested interest there, and I WAS ON THIER SIDE! Can't we have a nice little war without every nation and their uncle jumping in, especially when no one's treaties have been violated?
IC:
In light of the international response to the attempted occupation, President José Calderón has ordered his troops to pull back to the Uruguay border. He asks France and Brazil why they, as friends of Argentina, would deny it the right to defend itself properly.
He also tenders his resignation, leaving Vice President Marcelo Albano Urrutia in charge of the nation.
ooc: Yeah, you were on their side, but they did not want you in their country. Uraguay was neutral, so they would naturally resist your occupation.
Galveston Bay
01-10-2005, 01:45
in Uruguay, the Argentine pull back is met with a big sigh of relief.
The French declare moral victory and drop the economic embargo.
[NS]Parthini
01-10-2005, 07:55
OOC: Damn! I was going to support the Urugayan Rebels and start a 3 way war :p
That or send in a dozen U-Boats to blow up everything in the name of peace. That would have been fun :cool:
Other than that, I'm mad that I lost a Zepp. How did it happen and who was flying it, what kind was it, who exactly shot it down and what happened to the Zeppelin guys and stuff on there. Oh, and would America be pissed if I destroyed the rebel group that killed German Citizens?
Galveston Bay
01-10-2005, 08:32
Uruguay hurriedly signs the Pan American treaty after the invasion, to deter a return visit from Argentina or Brazil. (ooc, per Vas)
ooc
no bases, it just means the US and other treaty nations are required to defend it.
Gintonpar
01-10-2005, 08:54
OOC: Oh for crying out loud! It's Uruguay! None of you with the exception of Brazil have any vested interest there, and I WAS ON THIER SIDE! Can't we have a nice little war without every nation and their uncle jumping in, especially when no one's treaties have been violated?
IC:
In light of the international response to the attempted occupation, President José Calderón has ordered his troops to pull back to the Uruguay border. He asks France and Brazil why they, as friends of Argentina, would deny it the right to defend itself properly.
He also tenders his resignation, leaving Vice President Marcelo Albano Urrutia in charge of the nation.
I do agree with you Manarth but there's hardly any wars going on at the moment so you can't blame people for wanting an excuse to beat the shit out of eachother.
Lesser Ribena
01-10-2005, 09:21
Prime Minister Churchill breathes a sigh of relief at news of an Argentinian withdrawal. Whilst he sees nothing wrong personally with the invasion (The British themselves have a strong history of Imperialism) public opinion was beginning to turn against an invasion and war looked probable between two nations of the London Treaty Alliance, a matter which would undoubtedly have brought about the collpase of the organisation.
OOC: Though Uruguay is a long way from France and Japan, it is really the absence of a world war that almost provoked a war.
Gintonpar
01-10-2005, 09:25
Prime Minister Churchill breathes a sigh of relief at news of an Argentinian withdrawal. Whilst he sees nothing wrong personally with the invasion (The British themselves have a strong history of Imperialism) public opinion was beginning to turn against an invasion and war looked probable between two nations of the London Treaty Alliance, a matter which would undoubtedly have brought about the collpase of the organisation.
OOC: Though Uruguay is a long way from France and Japan, it is really the absence of a world war that almost provoked a war.
exactly.
Gintonpar
01-10-2005, 09:41
New Doctrine
As major operations come to a close, the most experienced jungle veterans of the elite troop move to a fighting patrol routine searching out areas of rebel concentration and then calling in more heavily armed kill teams as they run into heavier resistance. PRF activity is stepped up in the Amazonas as they are reinforced and gain experience in their counter insurgency role and blending into the local environment.
The elite troop is reorganised and renamed as Special Troop pending further reorganisation. No longer will it be so bulky. There are now around 20,000 men in the troop, made up of the best jungle fighters and the most experienced men. They carry mainly light arms and call in the support of the newly trained State Guard, with contingents of the International Brigade, when they reach areas of high rebel concentration. The State Guard are a politically loyal unit as are the International Brigade. The State Guard is a conventional force trained to a high standard and the International Brigade has a very low desertion rate and a high level of idealism and political loyalty to the cause. Special Troop has confidence calling in either of these units along with experienced regular army troops to commit to attacks on areas of known rebel concentration.
(OOC: damm, there goes my chance to get more land >_< )
OOC: Hey, the US wouldn't let me screw around in Brazil so I had to do something.
Of the council of clan
01-10-2005, 22:18
OOC: Hey, the US wouldn't let me screw around in Brazil so I had to do something.
OOC: ::Shrugs:: hey I understand, I was kinda bored too.
Australia has begun advretising itself in Brazil. Offices are being set up in all cities and most major towns offering a chance at a new life away from war and poverty in Australia. They shared word of countless job opurtunities, free land for new immigrants and a peaceful and stable life. Australia is also offering to pay most of the cost of the tickets to reach Australia.
Gintonpar
02-10-2005, 16:42
ooc: hi, are there any more results on the war now that major operations are over?
Vas Pokhoronim
02-10-2005, 17:15
Um. Probably. Mostly low-intensity stuff. Bombings, assassinations, propaganda.
Figure maybe you're down to one major incident a month, plus a couple of minor ones. "Major" would include local magistrates getting shot or blown up, some sympathizers being lynched, or an isolated Army patrol getting into a firefight. Casualties will be low, but constant.
"Minor" will include attempted assassinations, the appearance of annoying anti-Government leaflets covering a city or rural district, a protest fomented by anti-Government agitators and reactionary Catholic dignitaries, and similar events.
Government forces will capture and kill Rebels fairly regularly. Figure about one major and a couple of minor victories per month. Attrition will not significantly outpace recruitment for the Rebels, however, at least not as far as the Government can determine (rather to its dismay).
Government "control" will be essentially reestablished everywhere except the Amazonas, where violence will continue in the jungle. Manaus will be retaken, though wrecked and massacred by the Rebels before their retreat. Many districts elsewhere in the country remain unsafe for Government officials and sympathizers, but theoretically Rio is back in charge for 1924.
Gintonpar
02-10-2005, 17:58
How long will it take for the country to be pacified at this rate? Or will it need another major victory for Government troops to finally put the rebels to rest?
Galveston Bay
02-10-2005, 18:02
How long will it take for the country to be pacified at this rate? Or will it need another major victory for Government troops to finally put the rebels to rest?
ooc
years.... even with total repression, the Soviets took 5 years to break resistance in the Ukraine after World War II, and you aren't being nearly as repressive...This will be a running sore for a long, long time.
Gintonpar
02-10-2005, 18:27
ooc
years.... even with total repression, the Soviets took 5 years to break resistance in the Ukraine after World War II, and you aren't being nearly as repressive...This will be a running sore for a long, long time.
thanks, at least its some sort of a timescale.
Galveston Bay
02-10-2005, 19:53
losses September 1923-December 1923
3,000 Rebels confirmed dead
2,500 government soldiers killed
3,500 government soldiers dead from disease, accidents,
6,000 government soldiers deserted
2,000 civilians killed by rebels (mostly low level functionaries and a considerable number of innocent bystanders).
The Rebels are targeting teachers, mayors and community leaders in the countryside who are outspoken or even well known to have Socialist leanings... murdering them whenever they can be killed without risk to the rebels.
Secret IC:
Seeing that the Brazilian rebels seem to losing, The Bolivian government decided to stop send the rebels more weapons.
To: Brazilian Goevernment
From: Bolivian Government
We would like to help you put down the Rebels in your country. We can send 45,000 men under General Bacerra to help quell the uprising in south-central Brazil. We would just need to get permision to pass our army through Paraguay or Argentina if you accept.
Gintonpar
02-10-2005, 22:01
To: Brazilian Goevernment
From: Bolivian Government
We would like to help you put down the Rebels in your country. We can send 45,000 men under General Bacerra to help quell the uprising in south-central Brazil. We would just need to get permision to pass our army through Paraguay or Argentina if you accept.
Dear Sirs,
What exactly are your motives for assisting us here? We have found large caches of Bolivian weapons at rebel bases that had come fresh from armouries with the packaging still on. Why the suddent change of heart? Don't get us wrong, we would be glad of the help but we do wonder why.
Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
Telegram From Chaim Weizmann to Brazil
We are willing to keep our forces in your nation in assisting in the finishing off of the last few rebel holds, with of course your permission, my army awaits your instruction.
Dear Sirs,
What exactly are your motives for assisting us here? We have found large caches of Bolivian weapons at rebel bases that had come fresh from armouries with the packaging still on. Why the suddent change of heart? Don't get us wrong, we would be glad of the help but we do wonder why.
Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.
To get expeirience for our army and help stablelize our nieghbor.
Gintonpar
03-10-2005, 20:23
We gladly accept both offers of help. The Bolivian Army forces are hereby authorised to draw supplies from Brazilian Army magazines but are asked to provide much of their own logistical support. It is our experience that small fighting patrols calling in help from more conventional troops as soon as they hit trouble is a good way to snuff out rebels. For the Zionist Army if you could stay in the Espiritu Santu region under General Carlos that would be greatly appreciated. We are fairly undermanned there and your arrival has, and continues to be, a godsend.
Deepest Regards to both Governments,
Brazil's Parliament and Politburo.
We gladly accept both offers of help. The Bolivian Army forces are hereby authorised to draw supplies from Brazilian Army magazines but are asked to provide much of their own logistical support. It is our experience that small fighting patrols calling in help from more conventional troops as soon as they hit trouble is a good way to snuff out rebels. For the Zionist Army if you could stay in the Espiritu Santu region under General Carlos that would be greatly appreciated. We are fairly undermanned there and your arrival has, and continues to be, a godsend.
Deepest Regards to both Governments,
Brazil's Parliament and Politburo.
ooc: I just have to find a way to get my troops to you. I will try to see if Argentina will let my men travel through their country. I have a question, were is Espiritu Santu?
Gintonpar
03-10-2005, 20:32
ooc: I just have to find a way to get my troops to you. I will try to see if Argentina will let my men travel through their country. I have a question, were is Espiritu Santu?
South East of the country. It is a small province and the troops we have with the Zionists are adequate for its control. We would like to employ your troops if possible in clearing territory along the Amazonas river.
Gintonpar
03-10-2005, 20:36
losses September 1923-December 1923
3,000 Rebels confirmed dead
2,500 government soldiers killed
3,500 government soldiers dead from disease, accidents,
6,000 government soldiers deserted
2,000 civilians killed by rebels (mostly low level functionaries and a considerable number of innocent bystanders).
The Rebels are targeting teachers, mayors and community leaders in the countryside who are outspoken or even well known to have Socialist leanings... murdering them whenever they can be killed without risk to the rebels.
Just a question. You know how there are 3,000 rebels dead in combat and there are 2,500 of my men dead in combat? Shouldn't that figure be higher in my favour with my men winning most of their open encounters with the rebels. I mean, I accept the other losses but surely my combat kills/losses ratio should be higher than that.
Galveston Bay
03-10-2005, 20:39
Just a question. You know how there are 3,000 rebels dead in combat and there are 2,500 of my men dead in combat? Shouldn't that figure be higher in my favour with my men winning most of their open encounters with the rebels. I mean, I accept the other losses but surely my combat kills/losses ratio should be higher than that.
the Rebel confirmed dead figure is based on the actual number of bodies you have counted... actual number is probably higher according to your intelligence. Most of your dead are killed not in battle, but in small skirmishes and by booby traps and mines.
Vas Pokhoronim
03-10-2005, 20:43
Just a question. You know how there are 3,000 rebels dead in combat and there are 2,500 of my men dead in combat? Shouldn't that figure be higher in my favour with my men winning most of their open encounters with the rebels. I mean, I accept the other losses but surely my combat kills/losses ratio should be higher than that.
Personally, I'd expect so, too. Though GB's numbers could conceivably reflect a three factors that immediately spring to mind:
First, a rising professionalism among the Rebels, especially COBRA and O Movimento; and second, a higher number of casualties among Government soldiers due to entrapment, ambushes, assassinations, bombings, and other dirty tricks; finally, he does specifically say "confirmed" dead. Actual Rebel losses might well be higher than the numbers you see here.
Gintonpar
04-10-2005, 17:06
OK, thanks both of you. Also, Bolivia has entered the war on my side as well, so seperate losses will probably have to be posted for his forces as well as the Zionist forces operating alongside us. Also, could you give me an indication of how well the PRF are performing as per the activation of 2,000 of their members by myself in the Amazonas a while ago now.
Agentina is not allowing me to pass my army trough their country. I guess I have to ask Paraguay then.
Galveston Bay
06-10-2005, 21:13
OK, thanks both of you. Also, Bolivia has entered the war on my side as well, so seperate losses will probably have to be posted for his forces as well as the Zionist forces operating alongside us. Also, could you give me an indication of how well the PRF are performing as per the activation of 2,000 of their members by myself in the Amazonas a while ago now.
ooc
sorry, both Vas and I have been ill.. I will post some updates.
Gintonpar
06-10-2005, 23:04
Agentina is not allowing me to pass my army trough their country. I guess I have to ask Paraguay then.
Or you could come by boat?
500 of the small Zionist force have been recalled in order to stop a rumored Nationalist coup, the remaining forces will still serve as normal.
(Secret IC) The remaining Zionist force is getting relativly ticked off with Chaim Weizmann, they feel low after remarks claiming that the force was not ready for military engagement, they are secretly supporting the Zionist national movement and have been occasionally been collaberating with the Brazillian rebels, if there is a nationallist coup right now no doubt they would win.
Or you could come by boat?
Because of the outbreak of war, I must declare neutrality (ooc: for the time being) and I will not send men at the present time, in the case the war will spread to South America.
Galveston Bay
07-10-2005, 00:58
Brazilian Civil War January - July
The Rebels remain fairly quiet, carrying out frequent assassinations of officials, but avoiding at all costs engaging in battle unless cornered. Even then they break contact as quickly as possible, and are willing to abandon base areas if needed.
The Brazilian Army discovers its big, but not big enough to garrison everywhere, and the Rebels are just as professional as they are now. (the survivors anyway). More and more American equipment is showing up, but so is plenty of equipment from practically everywhere else, including Japan of all places.
German Zeppelins suffer a high accident rate, losing one to a crash every 20 sorties because of unexpected problems with high humidity and weather over the essentially unexplored wilderness areas that make up most of the Rebel held areas. However, aircraft have similar problems, so the superiority of aircraft to lighter than air craft has not been established.
Government military casualties 2,000 killed in battle, 5,000 dead of disease
Rebel military casaulties 2,000 killed in battle (and found), unknown number dead of disease
Government civilian casualties 5,000 murdered
other civilian casualties... 20,000 dead of disease or combat incidents.
The Indians of the Amazon are now getting weapons too, although most of those east of Manaus are either dead or have fled, the Indians west of Manaus, especially those north of the Amazon, remain in large numbers and are increasingly not only anti Rebel, but also anti Government and pretty much anti Brazilian. Almost all of the weapons the Indians have are American.
The Aliança in Rio Grande do Sul, the very same rebels used as an excuse for the very shortlived Uruguay incident, are being covertly sent food, medicine and surplus Modelo '98s.
Gintonpar
07-10-2005, 07:37
Brazilian Civil War January - July
The Rebels remain fairly quiet, carrying out frequent assassinations of officials, but avoiding at all costs engaging in battle unless cornered. Even then they break contact as quickly as possible, and are willing to abandon base areas if needed.
The Brazilian Army discovers its big, but not big enough to garrison everywhere, and the Rebels are just as professional as they are now. (the survivors anyway). More and more American equipment is showing up, but so is plenty of equipment from practically everywhere else, including Japan of all places.
German Zeppelins suffer a high accident rate, losing one to a crash every 20 sorties because of unexpected problems with high humidity and weather over the essentially unexplored wilderness areas that make up most of the Rebel held areas. However, aircraft have similar problems, so the superiority of aircraft to lighter than air craft has not been established.
Government military casualties 2,000 killed in battle, 5,000 dead of disease
Rebel military casaulties 2,000 killed in battle (and found), unknown number dead of disease
Government civilian casualties 5,000 murdered
other civilian casualties... 20,000 dead of disease or combat incidents.
The Indians of the Amazon are now getting weapons too, although most of those east of Manaus are either dead or have fled, the Indians west of Manaus, especially those north of the Amazon, remain in large numbers and are increasingly not only anti Rebel, but also anti Government and pretty much anti Brazilian. Almost all of the weapons the Indians have are American.
ooc: just a question. is the US not cutting off funds for the rebels? I mean, they are fighting a full scale war now, wouldn't the funds be cut back? leading to rebel collapse? you said yourself the only countries able to sponsor guerilla war are yourself and a few others. now that you are at war does this mean you are cancelling some payments? surely it is for war cutbacks?
Galveston Bay
07-10-2005, 08:00
ooc: just a question. is the US not cutting off funds for the rebels? I mean, they are fighting a full scale war now, wouldn't the funds be cut back? leading to rebel collapse? you said yourself the only countries able to sponsor guerilla war are yourself and a few others. now that you are at war does this mean you are cancelling some payments? surely it is for war cutbacks?
the US did cut funds, but gave them nearly $100 million to start with, and then another $30 million, so they have lots of money to fight the war they are fighting. At this point, more money is probably likely since Brazil actually declared war. After all, the more government soldiers that are killed are the fewer soldiers the US has to kill. In addition, it took months to get the pipeline of arms flowing, and it will take months for that to dry up once the money is actually cut.
OOC:
After reading the latest events, I'll add my 2 cents as Supreme Mod.
It is plausible that the US is funneling funds and weapons to the Brazilian rebels. It's similiar to the RL clash between covertly funded movements on the capitalist side (USA) and communist side (USSR) during the Cold War with "war-by-proxy".
However, I need to raise a concern, though. The US funneled $130 million in total to the Brazilian rebels. However, will the US continue funding at the cost of some war funds for other LTA activities, or will the US stop funding the Brazilian rebels so that it can divert the funds to pressing LTA concerns such as the Navy programs?
Galveston Bay
10-10-2005, 16:57
OOC:
After reading the latest events, I'll add my 2 cents as Supreme Mod.
It is plausible that the US is funneling funds and weapons to the Brazilian rebels. It's similiar to the RL clash between covertly funded movements on the capitalist side (USA) and communist side (USSR) during the Cold War with "war-by-proxy".
However, I need to raise a concern, though. The US funneled $130 million in total to the Brazilian rebels. However, will the US continue funding at the cost of some war funds for other LTA activities, or will the US stop funding the Brazilian rebels so that it can divert the funds to pressing LTA concerns such as the Navy programs?
In addition to the blockade, the US is now funneling another $100 million to the Rebels for this year, with much of that coming in the form of US small arms, ammunition, mortars, and the US is also building a large number of river gunboats to transfer to the Rebels to assist them in operations on the Amazon.
Here is how I can do this
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9778279&postcount=317
Galveston Bay
10-10-2005, 17:06
The United States government passes on to Brazil via the British and Chinese embassies the following proposal.
The United States will end all support for the Rebels and end the blockade and sign a peace treaty with Brazil if Brazil does the following:
1. Immediately makes peace with the United States
2. Ends all support for the Warsaw Pact, and withdraws from all treaty arrangements with those nations.
3. Eliminates all naval vessels over 1000 tons, and scraps all submarines.
4. Agrees to the removal of all foreign troops in Brazil, with those troops that are from the Warsaw Pact being interned and disarmed.
5. Rejoins the Pan American Treaty.
6. Sets aside the territorial region west of Manaus and north of the Amazon River as a permanent reservation for the native peoples of the Amazon region (ooc the Indians).
The United States will also provide a grant of $5 Billion in economic assistance to Brazil if these terms are accepted.
Lesser Ribena
10-10-2005, 18:17
Britain fully supports the American bid for peace in South America and promises Brazil that if it accepts Britain will return all economic aid and industry to Brazil that it was forced to pull out earlier. In addition Britain will provide an additional £1 billion of industrial investment in the country.
Gintonpar
10-10-2005, 19:28
We are considering the offer. We ask you give us (two real days) to consider.
Galveston Bay
10-10-2005, 19:30
We are considering the offer. We ask you give us (two real days) to consider.
ooc
I have proposed a freeze on things to organize things a bit so that the war can be handled more smoothly and still allow neutrals to do stuff too... So two days is certainly acceptable
Gintonpar
10-10-2005, 19:35
ooc
I have proposed a freeze on things to organize things a bit so that the war can be handled more smoothly and still allow neutrals to do stuff too... So two days is certainly acceptable
thanks mate.
Argentina presses Brazil to accept the treaty.