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[IC: CLOSED ALT HISTORY E1900-2000]India News Thread

The Lightning Star
25-09-2005, 23:24
The Times of India
November/December Issue, 1922

M.A. Jinnah Holds Rally in New Delhi!

In what seems to be the largest rally ever-held in India, M.A. Jinnah, a key figure in both the Muslim League and Congress, held a rally in the middle of King's Way, called "Rajpath" by those attendeding the rally. The rally, which was held in sight of Viceroys House, dealt with the issue of Indian Independence.

"Indians, both Musalmans and Hindus, are tired of having their wishes for home-rule ignored by the Crown time and time again. While we currently have no wishes for separation at all, we find it near insulting that the Crown will not listen to us. As citizens of the Empire, it is our right to ask for such things, and it is our right to have the Crown respond!"

While that was about as far as the rally proceeded, it was broken up soon by British authorities, the fact that such a large rally could be held so quickly and at the location which it was held speaks very highly of Congress and the Muslim League.
Ottoman Khaif
25-09-2005, 23:45
OOC:The Lightning Star, do you have AIM, we need to talk about some things on this matter.
Vas Pokhoronim
26-09-2005, 00:22
OoC: Jinnah, eh? Interesting choice . . . Still part of the INC, but definitely . . . interesting.

IC:
The General Council condemns Imperialism as representing the very worst and final phase of exploitative Capitalism, in which the classes themselves come to be falsely defined in biological terms through the oppressive and hierarchical doctrines of Racialism, and men themselves come to be the property of other men.
The Workers' Republic of Germany and the Union of Social-Democratic Republics wholeheartedly detest, despise, and oppose these practices and the revolting ideas that give rise to them, and stand with our Revolutionary brethren throughout the world for self-government and freedom.

- Karl Radek, President of the General Consultative Council
Warsaw, Polish People's Republic, USDR
The Lightning Star
26-09-2005, 00:38
OOC:The Lightning Star, do you have AIM, we need to talk about some things on this matter.

OOC: Yes I do, actually.

EmperorJonI@aol.com
Lesser Ribena
26-09-2005, 16:37
Britain offers a conference meeting with these so called leaders of India to discuss matters of home rule. All points of view will be listened to and a decision will be made by British authorities on the matter.

OOC: I suggest you consent to this, it's a good chance to get opinions across etc. and Britain is likely to consent to some matters.
The Lightning Star
26-09-2005, 21:42
Britain offers a conference meeting with these so called leaders of India to discuss matters of home rule. All points of view will be listened to and a decision will be made by British authorities on the matter.

OOC: I suggest you consent to this, it's a good chance to get opinions across etc. and Britain is likely to consent to some matters.

After debating the issue, the Muslim League and the INC have both decided to send delegates to attend the meeting.
Lesser Ribena
27-09-2005, 13:44
OOC: would you like to post a new thread for it, I don't have much time at the moment. either that or we can continue here.

IC: The following offers are likely to be made to India:
-Increased hand in local government rule by Indians (by 1925 all local government posts to be held by India)
-Further British investment in India (to include factories, railways, medical facilities, educational facilities etc.)
-Local rule over governments in Pakistan and Afghanistan (as soon as rebels are dealt with)
-Home Rule as a dominion (in the same manner as South Africa, Canada and Australia)

This is on condition that:
-All talk of total independence is abated for the time being
-Any revolutionary groups stand down
-India maintains its own militia force as well as a regular army to defend itself in case of attack by foreign forces
-Britain allowed to retain all current garissons in India, Pakistan and allowed to establish further garissons in Afghanistan to bring about order there
-Current British policy on colonial armed forces is maintained (1/3 on foreign duty under British control, 2/3 on home service under Indian control)

These terms are extremely generous for this time period and give India significant Home Rule powers. Not only to you get to control Afghanistan and Pakistan as well you also retain all benefits of being a member of the Empir (ie. military assistance, free trade with other colonies, foreign investment opportunities).
The Lightning Star
27-09-2005, 21:52
OOC: Continue here.

IC: While we do not understand some things you have said(What is Pakistan?), we agree with every one of the points for the time being.

OOC: This post sucks and is short, I know. But I have one thing to say: the Idea of Pakistan was not formed until 1930, and strife between the Muslims and Hindus has been minimal until now. So everyone now just wants to have an India, not an India and a Pakistan.
Lesser Ribena
28-09-2005, 11:21
OOC: I meant the area that is now known as Pakistan. At this time it was still known as a part of British India. Techically including the states of Punjab, Kasmir, Baluchistan, Peshawar, Bannu and about 20 other minor states. So when I say you will control Pakisatn I actually mean all of these little states on the border with Afghanistan,it's just easier to say.

As to why I also want you to control Afghanistan, I have recently reoccupied the area to put down rebels who were threatening my garisson there. The only way I can get to it is via India so it's easier if you control and police it for me rather than me having to send troops across your territory.

You would rule the whole area as Greater India (or something like that) and be a dominion of Britain (ie. you control soem defence forces, all local decisions etc. but must refer important foreign affairs decisions to me first, this is how South Africa and Australia operate).
The Lightning Star
28-09-2005, 20:23
OOC: I meant the area that is now known as Pakistan. At this time it was still known as a part of British India. Techically including the states of Punjab, Kasmir, Baluchistan, Peshawar, Bannu and about 20 other minor states. So when I say you will control Pakisatn I actually mean all of these little states on the border with Afghanistan,it's just easier to say.

As to why I also want you to control Afghanistan, I have recently reoccupied the area to put down rebels who were threatening my garisson there. The only way I can get to it is via India so it's easier if you control and police it for me rather than me having to send troops across your territory.

You would rule the whole area as Greater India (or something like that) and be a dominion of Britain (ie. you control soem defence forces, all local decisions etc. but must refer important foreign affairs decisions to me first, this is how South Africa and Australia operate).

OOC: How about you just say that we control all the princely states?

And I agree with everything else.
Lesser Ribena
28-09-2005, 20:31
OOC: Sounds OK, consider yourself a dominion (alongside Canada, Australia, South Africa and now Ireland).
The Lightning Star
01-10-2005, 00:32
August, 1923
Indian Government Encourages Foreign Investment!

In an effort to increase the Indian economy, the Indian government is encouraging foreign nations to invest in India. "India is a land with a very large workforce, with nothing to work on," commented an Indian offical. The Indian government has begun sending messages to large companies in the British Empire, focusing on the fact that Indian workers are much cheaper than most other workers. Although for now the campaign is focused nearly entirely at companies within the British empire, certain officals have noted that if the campaign goes well, they will of laxing requirements on other countries(such as the 4% tax).
New Dornalia
01-10-2005, 00:55
August, 1923
Indian Government Encourages Foreign Investment!

In an effort to increase the Indian economy, the Indian government is encouraging foreign nations to invest in India. "India is a land with a very large workforce, with nothing to work on," commented an Indian offical. The Indian government has begun sending messages to large companies in the British Empire, focusing on the fact that Indian workers are much cheaper than most other workers. Although for now the campaign is focused solely at companies within the British empire, certain officals have noted that if the campaign goes well, they will think of opening up to certain other countries.

The Korean Motor Company would like to invest in India. Any sort of rules we should know about?
The Lightning Star
01-10-2005, 01:15
The Korean Motor Company would like to invest in India. Any sort of rules we should know about?

Seeing how your company is not part of the British Empire, we're going to be a bit tighter on your company, but still relatively lax due to the fact you are our first major foreign investor.

First of all, you will have to build your own factories or facilities in our country. These facilities must meet the requirements for saftey, etc that are in your own country. If we find these to be lacking, we will raise them. The minimum wage for a worker is to be 50 British pence an hour(OOC: I'm not exactly sure how much that would be modern day, but I think it's like 2 or 3 USD. If it turns out to be higher than that, I'll be willing to lower the pay). The work-week is to be 56 hours long(each work-day is 8 hours), with an extra 75 pence an hour for overtime. If you are to be paying your employees every amount of time(say every week), please take into account each week the minimum amount of money paid is to be 28 pounds. Also, please take into account that all of this is BEFORE the 4% tax imposed by the government.

These are all the requirements that you need to follow. You can sell your product where you want, to whoever you want. You can build your factory wherever you can find land to buy.
New Dornalia
01-10-2005, 01:22
Seeing how your company is not part of the British Empire, we're going to be a bit tighter on your company, but still relatively lax due to the fact you are our first major foreign investor.

First of all, you will have to build your own factories or facilities in our country. These facilities must meet the requirements for saftey, etc that are in your own country. If we find these to be lacking, we will raise them. The minimum wage for a worker is to be 50 British pence an hour(OOC: I'm not exactly sure how much that would be modern day, but I think it's like 2 or 3 USD. If it turns out to be higher than that, I'll be willing to lower the pay). The work-week is to be 56 hours long(each work-day is 8 hours), with an extra 75 pence an hour for overtime. If you are to be paying your employees every amount of time(say every week), please take into account each week the minimum amount of money paid is to be 28 pounds. Also, please take into account that all of this is BEFORE the 4% tax imposed by the government.

These are all the requirements that you need to follow. You can sell your product where you want, to whoever you want. You can build your factory wherever you can find land to buy.

Not a problem. We'll obey all rules posted here. Also, we'll take special care to hire Indian workers.

As for the site...well, we were thinking about either Madras, Calcutta, or Mumbai/Bombay to set up our HQ, with factories nearby. Which would you recommend?
The Lightning Star
01-10-2005, 01:35
Not a problem. We'll obey all rules posted here. Also, we'll take special care to hire Indian workers.

As for the site...well, we were thinking about either Madras, Calcutta, or Mumbai/Bombay to set up our HQ, with factories nearby. Which would you recommend?

All three are very large, so making any your base of operations wouldn't be a bad choice.

Mumbai has the advantage of being the largest port in India, thus making it easier(and cheaper) to move about your goods. It has the disadvantage of that when floods occur, they can occasionally be quite deadly.

Calcutta has the advantage of being the most populated city in India, thus making getting employee's easier than in the other cities(although you would have no problem getting employees in the other cities, there is just a large pool to choose from in Calcutta). It has the disadvantage of being in a very wet place, so that may not be good for your business.

Madras has the advantage of being closer to the south, so if you wish to sell your cars to the asian market, transporting things will take less time. It has the disadvantage of being the hottest of the three cities.

Of course, all three cities are very good places to set up your HQ, so it is really up to personal preference.

And we forgot to mention a very important thing: You will have to show your earnings to the Indian government, so we can calculate taxes. You are also given the choice to sell some of your stock on the Bombay stock exchange, although it is not required.
New Dornalia
01-10-2005, 01:41
All three are very large, so making any your base of operations wouldn't be a bad choice.

Mumbai has the advantage of being the largest port in India, thus making it easier(and cheaper) to move about your goods. It has the disadvantage of that when floods occur, they can occasionally be quite deadly.

Calcutta has the advantage of being the most populated city in India, thus making getting employee's easier than in the other cities(although you would have no problem getting employees in the other cities, there is just a large pool to choose from in Calcutta). It has the disadvantage of being in a very wet place, so that may not be good for your business.

Madras has the advantage of being closer to the south, so if you wish to sell your cars to the asian market, transporting things will take less time. It has the disadvantage of being the hottest of the three cities.

Of course, all three cities are very good places to set up your HQ, so it is really up to personal preference.

And we forgot to mention a very important thing: You will have to show your earnings to the Indian government, so we can calculate taxes. You are also given the choice to sell some of your stock on the Bombay stock exchange, although it is not required.

We'll go with Mumbai. Thanks!

We'll send people to set up our HQ soon, and to set up a factory.
The Lightning Star
01-10-2005, 01:44
We'll go with Mumbai. Thanks!

We'll send people to set up our HQ soon, and to set up a factory.

OOC: Just for the record, it wasn't named Mumbai until the late 20th century. I'll get to re-naming it soon enough, though.

IC:

Thank you for the business, and we hope you enjoy doing business in India.
New Dornalia
01-10-2005, 01:46
OOC: Just for the record, it wasn't named Mumbai until the late 20th century. I'll get to re-naming it soon enough, though.

IC:

Thank you for the business, and we hope you enjoy doing business in India.

OOC: I knew that much. Just lazy, that's all.

IC:

No problem. I'm sure the Indian-Korean Motor Company, Ltd. will do just fine.
Lesser Ribena
01-10-2005, 09:14
In response to the Indian plea for greater investment many British countries appear to be interested in establishing footholds in this new market. With the extra deman dfor firearms in this modern world many small arms manufacturers are interested in establishing a factory in India, this includes LKee-Enfield (rifles) and Webley-Scott (pistols). Also the following industries are also interested: Automobile Manufacturers (Rolls Royce, Austin, Jaguar); Food Production (rice, wheat etc.); and other businesses.

British companies are willing to abide by any Indian trade laws that are deemed acceptable economically.

OOC: By the way, I set up an extensive locomotive network in your country a few years back and it is connected to the African Cairo-Cape Railroad (via Turkey) and to China (and beyond) through Burma. You may want to use that in your modernisation plans.
The Lightning Star
01-10-2005, 14:12
In response to the Indian plea for greater investment many British countries appear to be interested in establishing footholds in this new market. With the extra deman dfor firearms in this modern world many small arms manufacturers are interested in establishing a factory in India, this includes LKee-Enfield (rifles) and Webley-Scott (pistols). Also the following industries are also interested: Automobile Manufacturers (Rolls Royce, Austin, Jaguar); Food Production (rice, wheat etc.); and other businesses.

British companies are willing to abide by any Indian trade laws that are deemed acceptable economically.

OOC: By the way, I set up an extensive locomotive network in your country a few years back and it is connected to the African Cairo-Cape Railroad (via Turkey) and to China (and beyond) through Burma. You may want to use that in your modernisation plans.

OOC: Oooooh, thank you!

IC: We shall list the requirements and benefits for the companies from any countries in the British Empire(which includes Dominions):

You will have to build your own factories or facilities in our country. These facilities must meet the requirements for saftey that are found in Great Britain. The minimum wage for a worker is to be 50 pence an hour. The work-week is to be 56 hours long(each work-day is 8 hours), with an extra 75 pence an hour for overtime. If you are to be paying your employees every amount of time, please take into account each week the minimum amount of money paid is to be 28 pounds. Due to the fact that the company is from a country within the British Empire, you do not have to pay the 4% tax. You also do not have to list your earnings to the Indian Government. HOWEVER, if you wish to sell stock on the Bombay Stock Exchange, you will need to list your earnings on the BSX. You will also be given a 50% discount on moving your goods out of India on our rail system. You will also have to list your base of Operations(the city where your HQ is).

As a reference point, we shall list the requirements for companies outside the British Empire:

You will have to build your own factories or facilities in our country. These facilities must meet the requirements for saftey, etc that are in your own country. If we find these to be lacking, we will raise them. The minimum wage for a worker is to be 50 British pence an hour. The work-week is to be 56 hours long(each work-day is 8 hours), with an extra 75 pence an hour for overtime. If you are to be paying your employees every amount of time(say every week), please take into account each week the minimum amount of money paid is to be 28 pounds. Also, please take into account that all of this is BEFORE the 4% tax imposed by the government.You will have to show your earnings to the Indian government, so we can calculate taxes. You are also given the choice to sell some of your stock on the Bombay stock exchange, although it is not required. You must pay full price to us the railroad system. You will also have to list your base of operations(the city where your HQ is).

Note: this is different than the requirements we gave to the Korea Motor Company because that was before we have established a proper system, and the experience with their company lead to this final product. However, it is exactly the same as the document they signed, just with more words thrown in.
Jensai
01-10-2005, 14:30
Franch is willing to invest in India, but the strng sentiment at home is essentially "Keep French factories in France". However, the producers of the MAS-15 rifle are willing to build an arms factory or three to provide greater weapons output. They find the terms of the contract agreeable.
The Lightning Star
01-10-2005, 15:10
Franch is willing to invest in India, but the strng sentiment at home is essentially "Keep French factories in France". However, the producers of the MAS-15 rifle are willing to build an arms factory or three to provide greater weapons output. They find the terms of the contract agreeable.

Certainly.

What city shall be your Headquarters of operations?
Galveston Bay
01-10-2005, 17:19
Franch is willing to invest in India, but the strng sentiment at home is essentially "Keep French factories in France". However, the producers of the MAS-15 rifle are willing to build an arms factory or three to provide greater weapons output. They find the terms of the contract agreeable.

ooc
France had a colony in India until the 1950s historically, so you are already there
Jensai
01-10-2005, 17:31
ooc
France had a colony in India until the 1950s historically, so you are already there

Ah yes, but I can still expand can't I?
Vas Pokhoronim
06-10-2005, 03:59
Star of India, New Delhi, 5 May 1924

Anglo-Indian physicians have noticed with some mild concern a particularly nasty strain of influenza appearing among the troops and civilian population of Kerala. Apparently the disease is exceptionally virulent, and several [OoC: More like several dozen . . .] deaths have already occurred, especially the local farmers for lack of good medical care [OoC: The first outbreak, in April, was pretty mild compared to the mutation that appeared in Fall].

Fortunately, as good English science is undoubtedly the best in the world, there is as yet certainly no cause for alarm.
The Lightning Star
06-10-2005, 12:59
OOC: Gah! I'm screwed ><

IC:
Times of India, July, 1924

Indian Government Attempts to Calm Fears About Flu Outbreak

Dr. Raji Sharma, the head of the Ministry of Health, issued a statement about the apparent flu outbreak in Kerala. "The people have nothing to fear," he stated early this week. "We have some of the best doctors in the world on the way to Kerala, and we will quickly have the situation under control." Although these words made many feel a bit better about the outbreak, the doctors next statement took that away from some. "However, we strongly advise against going into Kerala. We will have checkpoints on all the roads into the area, and unless you have the proper papers, it will be hard to get in indeed." This move, which some are calling a "quarantine", has many upset. It seems we will just have to wait and see what happens.
Vas Pokhoronim
06-10-2005, 14:38
At this point, really, no-one's too worried, so don't be going around over-reacting. So far as Britain is concerned, it's just a few dozen deaths (most of which London doesn't even know about), and they're pretty much all grimy wogs anyway, with no sense of hygiene. Soldiers dying is more serious, true, but it's only been a few and certainly not enough to justify dispatching doctors from the Mother Country. Soldiers die from disease all the time, especially in India.

As for the Indians, yes, I'm sorry to say, you're screwed. Take comfort, though, in the fact that we're all screwed. But a quarantine is definitely way premature, and should only follow an investigation, which at this point probably isn't even merited yet. But no government - especially a Third World government with very limited resources - is going to blockade an entire province (especially a productive one during the growing season) after only a few dozen deaths. By that time, of course, it will be too late.

I should have emphasized in my post that the report is in an obscure daily, buried on page four of Colonial News. Both the British and Indian governments, really, would scarcely be aware of sickness in Kerala (there are so many more serious health problems in India). Of course, by July it's already spread to England, France, Australia, Southeast Asia, China, Japan, Colombia, Persia, the United States, and parts of Africa. Still, however, I must stress that not many people are dying yet. It's just a nasty Summer Flu, at this point.
Lesser Ribena
06-10-2005, 15:06
OOC: OK then, I thought a few doctors would be OK, but as this flu is going to affect the entire world equally I don't mind withdrawing my earlier post. I'll delete it now.
Vas Pokhoronim
06-10-2005, 15:09
Hey, no problem, I should have been clearer about how minor this looks at first . . .
Lesser Ribena
06-10-2005, 15:20
Back to normal relations.

To: Indian Prime Minister (have you made one up yet?)
From: Winston Churchill, PM Great Britain etc.

My dear Indian colleague,
I am sending this message to you so that India may better her defence capabilities. The British Royal Navy is in the process of modernisation, as part of that process several older vessels will be decommisioned and disposed of. I would rather see them put to good use than scrapped and what better use can there be than defending this fine Empire from the foreign menace? Therefore I am asking if you would like to take any of the following vessels into your charge:

Armoured Cruisers: Cressy, Aboukir, Sutlej, Hogue, Euryalus, Bacchante (1901)

Corvettes
Albert class 2 ships, 1894
Phoenix class 2 ships, 1895
Condor class 6 ships, 1898–1900

The Royal Navy will provide training for the Indian crews of these vessels and they will be sent to you entirely free of charge providing that a harbour is set aside for them and you ready some willing and bright volunteers from the militia to become their crews.

I hope that you will take up this fine offer.
The Lightning Star
06-10-2005, 21:38
At this point, really, no-one's too worried, so don't be going around over-reacting. So far as Britain is concerned, it's just a few dozen deaths (most of which London doesn't even know about), and they're pretty much all grimy wogs anyway, with no sense of hygiene. Soldiers dying is more serious, true, but it's only been a few and certainly not enough to justify dispatching doctors from the Mother Country. Soldiers die from disease all the time, especially in India.

As for the Indians, yes, I'm sorry to say, you're screwed. Take comfort, though, in the fact that we're all screwed. But a quarantine is definitely way premature, and should only follow an investigation, which at this point probably isn't even merited yet. But no government - especially a Third World government with very limited resources - is going to blockade an entire province (especially a productive one during the growing season) after only a few dozen deaths. By that time, of course, it will be too late.

I should have emphasized in my post that the report is in an obscure daily, buried on page four of Colonial News. Both the British and Indian governments, really, would scarcely be aware of sickness in Kerala (there are so many more serious health problems in India). Of course, by July it's already spread to England, France, Australia, Southeast Asia, China, Japan, Colombia, Persia, the United States, and parts of Africa. Still, however, I must stress that not many people are dying yet. It's just a nasty Summer Flu, at this point.


OOC: I never said that I was going to dodge a bullet-I fully know that I am screwed. Of course, with a country with the largest population in the world save maybe China, I don't think that my nation is going to get owned. Yes, I'm going to loose a shit-load of people, but they'll be replaced within a year.

But when ALOT of people die in a QUICK amount of time, they're going to at least try to do something. Of course, their "quarantine" basically involves one road being blocked by one guy, seeing how no one is taking this seriously, and as you said there is much more going on.

IC:

Response to Winston Churchill
From: Subhash Chandra Bose, Interim Prime Minister of India

We would be glad to accept the ships into our fledgling naval force. If you would like, we can have half of them stationed at Bombay, and half stationed at Calcutta.
Lesser Ribena
07-10-2005, 17:00
Britain hands over the old vessels and provides rudimentary training for Indian crews.
The Lightning Star
16-11-2005, 20:51
Times of India, June, 1926

M.A. Jinnah Wins Election for Prime Minister

After India voted in favor of independence (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9914214&postcount=337) 5 months ago, there was a question on who would lead the Federated States of India. Now, we have our answer. M.A. Jinnah, who is considered the driving force behind the independence movement, has won the elections in a majority of 68.7% of the vote, with the runner-up, Chandra Bose (who will be sworn in as President), getting 28.4% of the vote. The remaining 2.9% of the vote went to various other candidates.

With this clear mandate for his policies for the new Indian State, which include making favorable moves towards the Ottoman Empire, China, and the world in general. In his victory speach, the Prime Minister said, "In this day and age, the best way for India to grow is to welcome in the outside world, while maintaining Indian culture." The Prime Minister is expected to announce certain plans, which are believed to include having foreign troops help modernize the Indian Army, having foreign companies modernize the economy, as well as having Great Britain and the Ottoman Empire help modernize the education system. While no one is sure how India will pay for these improvements, it appears that no one cares now, seeing how everyone is caught up in the euphoria of the victory of M.A. Jinnah.
Lesser Ribena
16-11-2005, 21:45
Mr Stanley Baldwin, the British Prime Minister warmly welcomes the election of M.A. Jinnah and Chandra Bose to the offices of Prime Minister and President of India. He suggests that perhaps afternoon tea can be shared some time and Indian and British relations be brought closer together.

Mr Baldwin promises that Britain will assist Indian education as per the Commonwealth Constitution and wil be willing to send volunteer teachers out to India to further these goals. In addition British troops (particularly the old garrison) would be available to assist training a new Indian army and that perhaps some old British hardware can be donated to Indian forces if they do not wish to purchase new items. This would include many thousands of small arms left over from equipping the volunteer corps of the wartime British Army and that they would still be current issue items. Finally Mr Baldwin invites the Indian government to take up Britain's offer of officer training at Sandhurst to all Commonwealth militaries for a small surcharge (see British news thread).
The Lightning Star
21-11-2005, 02:21
Overview from 1927-1931

1927:
Parliamentary Elections. Results:
Congress Party: 218 seats
Muslim League: 156 seats
Indian Imperialist Party: 81
National Congress Party: 76
Bahujan Samaj Party: 74 seats
Indian Peoples Party: 72 seats
Communist Party of India: 21 seats
Independent: 2 seats

1928:
Baloch Rebellion:
The State of Balochistan erupted into violence after a Baloch politician and former army Colonel who had fought in the Second Great War, Nawab Nauroz, gave a speach attacking the Indian state. In a bloody guerilla war, over 15,000 people died, 40,000 were injured, and over 400,000 were made homeless. After 19 months, Nauroz and most of his officers were cornered in a building in downtown Quetta, where after a 7 hour gun-fight all were killed. The loss of Nauroz crippled the insurgency, and soon after his death in-fighting between the few-remaining insurgents caused the rebellion to collapse.

1929:
The Great Merger:
In an attempt to strengthen the Federal Government of India, the government ordered that all Princely states of India, except for Hyderabad, Jammu and Kashmir, Mysore, and Gwalior, be incorporated into the Federated States of India. Although the majority of the states went peacefully, one did not. The Princely State of Mewar refused to join the Federated States of India, so the capital Udaipur was beseiged for 4 months. In a desperate attempt to break the seige, the Nizam and 300 cavalrymen rushed the beseiging Indian forces. All of the Cavarlymen, included the Nizam, were machine-gunned to death.

1930:
Indian Government lowers restrictions on foreign investors:
In an effort to attract more foreign investment to India, the Indian Government lowered the requirements. They are now as follows:

You will have to build your own factories or facilities in our country. These facilities must meet the requirements for saftey that are found in Great Britain. The minimum wage for a worker is to be 40 rupee's an hour. The work-week is to be 56 hours long(each work-day is 8 hours), with an extra 60 rupee an hour for overtime. If you are to be paying your employees every amount of time, please take into account each week the minimum amount of money paid is to be 2,200 rupees. You must pay the 4% tax. You also have to list your earnings to the Indian Government. If you wish to sell stock on the Bombay Stock Exchange, you will need to list your earnings on the BSX. You will also be given a 10% discount on moving your goods out of India on our rail system. You will also have to list your base of Operations(the city where your HQ is.

1931:
Elections for Prime Minister:
M.A. Jinnah is re-elected with a majority of 51%, while Chandra Bose came in a close second with 47% of the vote.
Fluffywuffy
21-11-2005, 02:33
The Italian India Shipping Corporation, based in Italian-held Djoubiti, wishes to expand its business to India to promote trade with Djoubiti and India. The Corporation, if approved by the Indian government, would base 1 million tons of shipping in India to support its operation.

(OOC: In game terms I would be building 2 three points shipping units, starting 1932 and ending 1933, which would then be transfered to you. They give you one build point per year if you haven't maxed out your shipping points yet)
Ottoman Khaif
21-11-2005, 03:18
To: Indian Government
From:Middle Eastern Union Government
We request that our two nations open up more trade and relations in the hopes of one day, our two nations could become great allies in the couse of time.
The Lightning Star
21-11-2005, 13:03
Reply to Italian India Shipping Company
We would be more than happy to allow you into our country. All you need to do is select an HQ city for your business in India, and then we can close the deal.

Reply to the Middle Eastern Union:
We would be more than happy to have more trade between our two nations. Do you have any suggestions?
The Lightning Star
22-11-2005, 01:26
Message to all LTA members and the Middle Eastern Union
Our military is in need of updating (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9969512&postcount=701), and we would like some help modernizing it. We would be willing to lease military bases to our friends, in exchange for help modernizing our army. This could be in just giving us equipment, or by training our officers and soldiers. We are in need of a better air-force, and our navy needs upgrading (we have 16 ships, all of which are over 30 years old). Our advisors estimate we can raise about 5 more corps. If you do not wish to have a base on our soil, we can discuss other means of payment.
Ottoman Khaif
22-11-2005, 01:29
To: Indian Government
From: MEU Government
We are willing to send a number of adviser to help in the trainning of your arm forces.

OOC:Get on AIM!
Fluffywuffy
22-11-2005, 02:20
To: The Indian Government
From: The Italian Government

Italy cannot send much to aid its ally in modernizing its military at the moment. However, we are slated to replace our light cruisers (7 of them) with heavy cruisers at the end of 1936. We are willing to send the old cruisers to India. We are also quite willing to send some advisors.

To: The Indian Government
From: Italian India Shipping Corporation

Excelent! We have chosen Bombay as our India HQ, but due to some supply problems, cannot begin operations until 1937. At that time, however, we will be able to supply 4 million tons of shipping instead of 1 million. We apologize for the inconvenience.

(OOC: I moved my points around and spent them on research, completely forgetting about this deal. However, you will get 4 build points for the year 1937. The ships will be built in 1936.)
The Lightning Star
22-11-2005, 02:25
To: The Indian Government
From: The Italian Government

Italy cannot send much to aid its ally in modernizing its military at the moment. However, we are slated to replace our light cruisers (7 of them) with heavy cruisers at the end of 1936. We are willing to send the old cruisers to India. We are also quite willing to send some advisors.

To: The Indian Government
From: Italian India Shipping Corporation

Excelent! We have chosen Bombay as our India HQ, but due to some supply problems, cannot begin operations until 1937. At that time, however, we will be able to supply 4 million tons of shipping instead of 1 million. We apologize for the inconvenience.

(OOC: I moved my points around and spent them on research, completely forgetting about this deal. However, you will get 4 build points for the year 1937. The ships will be built in 1936.)

To: The Italian Government
From: The Indian Government
We thank you very much for your help. May we ask in what year the cruisers were made? Also, would you wish to be payed for your help?

To: The Italian India Shipping Company
From: The Indian Government
It is no problem to us at all. All we hope is that you never regret your move to invest in India
Galveston Bay
22-11-2005, 02:29
Message to all LTA members and the Middle Eastern Union
Our military is in poor condition (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9969512&postcount=701), and we would like some help modernizing it. We would be willing to lease military bases to our friends, in exchange for help modernizing our army. This could be in just giving us equipment, or by training our officers and soldiers. We are in need of an air-force, our navy needs upgrading (we have 16 ships, all of which are over 30 years old), and we have no armored corps. Our advisors estimate we can raise about 5 more corps. If you do not wish to have a base on our soil, we can discuss other means of payment.

ooc
during the 2nd Great War, the US supplied India with 3 bombers (Martin B10s), trained 3 pilot units for them, plus upgraded 2 corps to mechanized infantry. Your navy is pretty weak though. India also had a fighter unit (Hawker Harts), and a pilot unit for it. India had at the end of the war 6 good infantry corps, 1 HQ, 1 fighter, 3 bombers, 1 mechanized corps. Before the war it had 6 infantry corps (4 of which werel reserve), 1 HQ and 1 cavalry corps (which died gloriously). During the war, 4 infantry and 1 mechanized corps were lost in combat, but the Indian Army is as good as any in the world in combat experience, and still has pretty good weapons.

But you should upgrade your air force (2 fighter units, 2 bomber units would be good), and replace you ancient warships with more modern ones.
The Lightning Star
22-11-2005, 02:32
ooc
during the 2nd Great War, the US supplied India with 3 bombers (Martin B10s), trained 3 pilot units for them, plus upgraded 2 corps to mechanized infantry. Your navy is pretty weak though. India also had a fighter unit (Hawker Harts), and a pilot unit for it. India had at the end of the war 6 good infantry corps, 1 HQ, 1 fighter, 3 bombers, 1 mechanized corps. Before the war it had 6 infantry corps (4 of which werel reserve), 1 HQ and 1 cavalry corps (which died gloriously). During the war, 4 infantry and 1 mechanized corps were lost in combat, but the Indian Army is as good as any in the world in combat experience, and still has pretty good weapons.

But you should upgrade your air force (2 fighter units, 2 bomber units would be good), and replace you ancient warships with more modern ones.

OOC: This would have been good to know beforehand...
Malkyer
22-11-2005, 02:37
The Union of South Africa currently has no military surplus to sell to India, nor do we possess excess capital with which to invest in your nation. Unfortunately, all of our resources are being spent keeping up with the rest of the world. However, I can offer advisors to the Indian military; I am sure they will prove of some use.

Sincerely,
James B.M. Hertzog
Prime Minister
Vas Pokhoronim
28-11-2005, 05:02
The Union would like to normalize relations with the Federated States of India and exchange embassies. In the late war, of course, the Red Army came to liberate, not to conquer, and our quarrel was with the British, not the Indian people. [OoC: We did always try to make that clear . . .]

With the passage of time, we would hope that whatever wounds of the past have healed, and believe that the way forward, for both our peoples, would be best served by peace.

- Herman Müller, Federal Minister of International Affairs
The Lightning Star
28-11-2005, 14:02
The Union would like to normalize relations with the Federated States of India and exchange embassies. In the late war, of course, the Red Army came to liberate, not to conquer, and our quarrel was with the British, not the Indian people. [OoC: We did always try to make that clear . . .]

With the passage of time, we would hope that whatever wounds of the past have healed, and believe that the way forward, for both our peoples, would be best served by peace.

- Herman Müller, Federal Minister of International Affairs

We would be more than willing to normalize relations with the Soviet Union. The Indian People believe in forgiveness (OOC: Is that the word? My brain is like...broken at the moment), and know that all sides commited sins during the war.

- Jawaharlal Nehru, Foreign Minister of the Federated States of India
Ottoman Khaif
10-12-2005, 01:39
To: Indian Government
From: MEU Government
Dear Sirs,
The MEU governments believes that it would in the best of interest for our nations to sign a Alliance between our two respected states and sign treaties of friendship and trade.
The Lightning Star
10-12-2005, 01:43
To: Indian Government
From: MEU Government
Dear Sirs,
The MEU governments believes that it would in the best of interest for our nations to sign a Alliance between our two respected states and sign treaties of friendship and trade.

To: MEU Government
From: Indian Government
We would be more than willing to sign an alliance and treaties of friendship and trade with the MEU.
Ottoman Khaif
10-12-2005, 01:52
In Secret
To: Indian Government
From: MEU Government

The MEU would like to know what is the Indian Government stances on the LTA membership, would India ever withdraw from it?

OOC: GET ON AIM..we need to talk..
The Lightning Star
10-12-2005, 13:18
Bose wins elections!

After 2 terms in control of India, M.A. Jinnah has been soundly beaten in this years elections. Chandra Bose, who was president for those 8 years, has won 62% of the vote, while Jinnah only came away with 38%. Bose, a Hindu who has much more liberal social parties, has long been Jinnahs political rival, although, according to sources in both camps, they are still "best of friends" despite it.

After hearing the election result, Mr. Jinnah said he was leaving politics. "I believe I have helped India on her way, and that it is time for me to enjoy whats left of the life I have." He later stated he would be going back to his home city of Bombay, and would re-open his law practice.

However, although Mr. Jinnah is willing to accept the results, many others in his camp aren't (mostly the Army and the Muslims). One of the main complaints is that in the new government, only two Ministers (Minister of Defence and Minister of the Interior) are Muslim, and the rest are Hindu. Another complaint is that the Socialists will take away the wealth that the Muslims earned are re-distribute it amongst the poor. One of the other main complaints is that the Socialistss are not big fans of the military at all, and it is likely that budget cuts will soon be seen for the military. However, it seems this was the platform that won the elections, for the majority of the population who voted for him are poor Hindus, who would rather the army be downsized dramatically and more money (including that taken from the rich) would be spent on social programs.

In the end, although there is a lot of grumbling on the other front, nothing is really going to happen, or so this political analyst thinks.
Vas Pokhoronim
12-12-2005, 23:28
The Federated States of India has been offered thirty-six production points from the Soviet Union for the year 1935, to help with basic education and healthcare (i.e., Level I Social Services).
The Lightning Star
12-12-2005, 23:38
The Federated States of India has been offered thirty-six production points from the Soviet Union for the year 1935, to help with basic education and healthcare (i.e., Level I Social Services).

This has been noted and worked into the budget.
Galveston Bay
13-12-2005, 00:14
ooc
I suspect the opposition parties are going to ask some hard questions as to why India is cutting its defense budget (eliminating 3/4s of the air force and half the nations mechanized forces) when a major war is going on next door in China.

They probably would be disgruntled as well about accepting aid from the Union (who invaded India not so long ago) but probably less vocal as politicians always love free money.
The Lightning Star
13-12-2005, 00:17
ooc
I suspect the opposition parties are going to ask some hard questions as to why India is cutting its defense budget (eliminating 3/4s of the air force and half the nations mechanized forces) when a major war is going on next door in China.

They probably would be disgruntled as well about accepting aid from the Union (who invaded India not so long ago) but probably less vocal as politicians always love free money.

OOC: I wrote something on that. Lemme find it...

Y'see, I've studied South-Asian history, and in the majority of times there was a military Coup, it was because the military felt threatened. The most recent example was 1999, when Pakistan got into the Kargil Conflict. The military overthrew the civilian government because it realised that the civilian government wanted to continue the conflict, and if that happened, the military would eventually suffer a large defeat.
The Lightning Star
13-12-2005, 00:20
OOC: Dude, this is weird. I wrote something about how the military is pissed, but i can't find it. Odd...
Galveston Bay
13-12-2005, 00:22
OOC: I wrote something on that. Lemme find it...

Y'see, I've studied South-Asian history, and in the majority of times there was a military Coup, it was because the military felt threatened. The most recent example was 1999, when Pakistan got into the Kargil Conflict. The military overthrew the civilian government because it realised that the civilian government wanted to continue the conflict, and if that happened, the military would eventually suffer a large defeat.

I would think the Hindu upper and middle classes aren't going to be fans of Bose either, and they would try a democratic constitutional approach first. Even the US before the civil war had nearly 30 years of consitutional squabbling and electoral compromise before the fighting actually broke out. A no confidence vote attempt would be likely before an armed coup. The Army officers were trained in the British tradition, and are going to prefer civilian control of the military and constitutional change before armed revolt.

This India is not Pakistan of the 1990s, which had Jinnah as a near dictator for most of his life followed by frequent outbreaks of military rule with occasional civilian rule. The same Pakistan who lost East Pakistan to India after the 1971, and fought two wars before that.
The Lightning Star
13-12-2005, 00:27
I would think the Hindu upper and middle classes aren't going to be fans of Bose either, and they would try a democratic constitutional approach first. Even the US before the civil war had nearly 30 years of consitutional squabbling and electoral compromise before the fighting actually broke out. A no confidence vote attempt would be likely before an armed coup. The Army officers were trained in the British tradition, and are going to prefer civilian control of the military and constitutional change before armed revolt.

This India is not Pakistan of the 1990s, which had Jinnah as a near dictator for most of his life followed by frequent outbreaks of military rule with occasional civilian rule. The same Pakistan who lost East Pakistan to India after the 1971, and fought two wars before that.

The Military is controlled by the Muslims, and the Muslims that formed Pakistan were the militaristic ones. Thus meaning, these are the same folks that in our world would have gone on and formed the Pakistani Military. Also, Jinnah didn't live long enough to be a near-dictator. He died within a year of Pakistan being created.

Slightly off-topic; this is really weird. I swear I wrote a post and posted it...
The Lightning Star
13-12-2005, 00:37
Opposition Calls for Vote of No Confidence Against Chandra Bose

Outraged over the budget cuts for the military, and upset over the fact that the government accepted aid from the Soviet Union, the main opposition parties (the Muslim League and the Indian Imperialist Party) have called for a vote of no-confidence against Prime Minister Bose. Although it is expected that the vote will be in favor of Prime Minister Bose, his actions have caused him to loose a sizeable chunk of his support. However, his actions have solidified the support of the lower-class towards him.
Ottoman Khaif
13-12-2005, 00:41
Opposition Calls for Vote of No Confidence Against Chandra Bose

Outraged over the budget cuts for the military, and upset over the fact that the government accepted aid from the Soviet Union, the main opposition parties (the Muslim League and the Indian Imperialist Party) have called for a vote of no-confidence against Prime Minister Bose. Although it is expected that the vote will be in favor of Prime Minister Bose, his actions have caused him to loose a sizeable chunk of his support. However, his actions have solidified the support of the lower-class towards him.
OOC: Indian Imperialist Party...I could think that right name would be the Congess party or something.
The Lightning Star
13-12-2005, 00:54
OOC: Indian Imperialist Party...I could think that right name would be the Congess party or something.

OOC: There is a congress party.
The Lightning Star
13-12-2005, 14:29
Vote of No Confidence Fails!

The first Vote of No Confidence in India has failed, with 311 parliamentarians voting to remove Chandra Bose from office, and 389 voting for him to retain his office. Although it seems the Muslims, as well as the upper-class Hindus and a fair amount of middle-class Hindus, voted against Mr. Bose, the majority of Indians (who are poor hindu's) support the President, who has put them before the rest of the country. Poor Indians finally have access to public schools and clinics, and although to the rest of the world (or even the upper-class of India) these may seem to have little importance, to the Indian Poor it makes all the difference.

OOC: The stuff below is a bit different than the rest of the stuff I post in this thread, because it's a person doing something, not just a News item,

IC:
Peshawar
General Rafik Khan put down the paper he was reading, lit a cigar, and walked onto the balcony of his office. Above a waning crescent moon hung in the sky, and the stars were bright overhead. It was a cold spring night, as usual, outside the Capital of the North West Frontier State, and below he saw the base and one of it's more quiet times. Besides a few trucks driving up and down the roads, it was a sleepy camp. It would never be like this before, the General thought to himself.

When Jinnah was Prime Minister, the base was always alive. They would be venturing out into the mountains to fight off raiding tribesmen, from India or Afghanistan, or training. Now, however, Prime Minister Bose had forgotten about the military, except for that it could be sacrificed to get more funds. The very thought of it made the generals blood boil. We held back Communist hordes, he thought to himself. We put down the rebellious Baloch, we defend the countries borders, and this is how we are thanked? After the General cooled down from this outburst in his mind, he decided that he needed to make a plan. It seemed that the people of India didn't know how to protect themselves. It was now his job to do so for them.
The Lightning Star
14-12-2005, 13:58
Parliamentary Elections!

The results of the latest Parliamentary elections are as follows:

Muslim League: 158 seats (+2 seats)
New Congress Party: 116 seats (-102 seats from last election)
Indian Peoples Party: 115 (+43 seats)
Bahujan Samaj Party: 110 seats (+36 seats)
Socialist Congress of India: 82 seats (did not participate in last election)
Indian Imperialist party: 47 seats (-34 seats)
Indian Centrist Party: 41 seats (did not participate in last election
Indian Communist Party: 28 (+7 seats)
Independent: 1 seat (-1 seat)

The result of this election prove a resounding defeat for the majority of the right-wing parties (save the Muslim League, which gained 2 seats, leaving it about where it was), and a great increase for the majority of the left-wing parties. If we go by alignment, there are 335 Left-wing seats and 321 right-wing seats, with 1 independent seat and 47 centrist seats. The biggest change came from the collapse of the Congress Party, which splintered into the Socialist Congress of India, the New Congress Party (which merged with the National Congress Party), and the Indian Centrist Party. The collapse is largely attributed to the fact that the Congress was created as an independence party more than anything, and although this loose-coalition was able to go through Jinnahs time as Prime Minister, it seems it could not maintain itself with Chandra Bose (who is now a member of the Socialist Congress of India) at the helm of India.

Peshawar, NWFS, Federated States of India

"There must have been a mistake of some sort! There's no way the Communists could get that many seats," exclaimed General Abdul-Hafeez Kardar, general of the Nainital-based Infantry Corps. Assembled in General Khan's Parlor were the generals of every Corp in Western India, which meant the Poona Corp, the Peshawar Corp, the Bombay Corp, the Delhi Corp, and the Naini-tal Corp. Like Rafik, these Generals all feared what would happen if Chandra Bose was given free reign. They decided that fraud must have taken place in the elections, and that they must find a way to "de-throne" Prime Minister Bose.

"If we were to gather our Corps and march on Delhi..." began General Fazal Mahmood of the Bombay Corps, but he was interupted. "No, that would make it seem like we are trying to conquer India, not rescue it. I say we just take out the leaders of those communist bastards." A murmur of agreement came from the other Generals in the room. "But how are we to do it?" This questio came from General Inzamam-al-Haq, commander of the Delhi Corps. "Well," began general Khan, "I have been looking into it, and it turns out that the leaders of the left-wing parties, as well as their deputies and such, will be meeting to discuss if our nation should pull out of the LTA and join the Warsaw Pact."

That made everyone in the room cross indeed. The LTA had defended India from the Communist Hordes, and now Bose wanted to betray their friends and join the Pact? That was going too far. "How reliable is this information?"
"Very," stated General Khan. "Well then," said General al-Haq, I think I could...arrange for something to happen at that meeting. I believe it would be a most tragic something, too." The Generals realised that now that they were talking about murdering--no, murder was when an innocent was killed--executing the leader of their country, they had passed a milestone. It was now too late to turn back.

"Tell us more."
The Lightning Star
15-12-2005, 23:18
Chandra Bose and Socialist Leadership Murdered!

A great tragedy has befallen the nation. Chandra Bose and many other members of the Socialist Leadership were brutally murdered last night during a conference. Reports say that soon after the conference had begun, and all the leaders were in a room, a group of armed assailants entered the room, after killing the security guards, and fired sub-machine guns at the leaders. All of the antending, including our dear Prime Minister, Chandra Bose, were murdered.

After the event, the army declared Martial Law and began arrested left-wing politicians all around Bombay and in the North-western part of the country, accusing them of ordering the murder the Prime Minister. This has many left-wing supporters (including the vast amount of poor in India) up in arms, claiming that this is all a grand-attempt by the Army to gain control. Already, as General Rafik Khan has declared himself interim Prime Minister of India and Inzamam-al-Haq as interim President of India, many in the more rural areas of India have declared that they will not support the new Government. Even as the majority of the army has also pledged to support the new government, Militias and the 1st Mechanized Corp of India (based in Calcutta) have declared that they do not recognize the new government, and pledge their support of the Parliament. It appears that India may be descending into Civil War.
Galveston Bay
15-12-2005, 23:20
ooc
ok Lightning Star, at this point you must chose a side... either play the Rebels or the Government.

I will create the Rebel military tomorrow, as it wouldn't appear overnight anyway.
Vas Pokhoronim
15-12-2005, 23:59
The Union immediately stops all delivery of aid to the military government, and mobilizes its forces in Central Asia . . .
The Lightning Star
16-12-2005, 03:26
ooc
ok Lightning Star, at this point you must chose a side... either play the Rebels or the Government.

I will create the Rebel military tomorrow, as it wouldn't appear overnight anyway.

OOC: I go with the Army/Nationalists, all the way.

Also, I was kinda aiming for it to be that the entire military, save the Mechanized Corps based in Calcutta, supported the military. Just what I was thinking.

I have a feeling this is going to turn into a Spanish Civil War situation (the RL one)...
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 06:14
OOC: I go with the Army/Nationalists, all the way.

Also, I was kinda aiming for it to be that the entire military, save the Mechanized Corps based in Calcutta, supported the military. Just what I was thinking.

I have a feeling this is going to turn into a Spanish Civil War situation (the RL one)...

thats fine, but there will be some low quality militia forming to support the government. List the provinces you believe are pro military government and the ones you think are pro socialist government
Kilani
16-12-2005, 06:28
The French government declares moral support for the left-wing government.

"This is a case of a military coup!" exclaimed Prime Minister Blum in a speech to Parliament and the French people, "Such as the one that thankfully failed ten years ago in our own country. Let the people of India know that the Third Republic stands behind them." The Third Republic has refused to recognize the new military government and issued a travel warning to all French citizens currently in India. All councels are shut down, but the French embassy in the capital remains open. However, armed guards in combat fatigues are now reguarly seen guarding the gates.
Artitsa
16-12-2005, 06:37
Gran Colombia will not recognize any government that is not democratically elected in India.
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 06:43
[OOC: My build has been edited. 3 points have been deviated to the Indian leftists. I figure they'll use it to make a motorized corp.]

ooc
remember that India is in the LTA, there could be consequences for that decision
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 06:53
the US government is fairly sure it knows what happened, but takes a fairly noncommittal line for now. "The US government is saddened by the murder of the duly elected government of India. Constitutions are the sacred pact between the people and the government, and those who ignore that pact do so at their peril, and the peril of their children. The US government hopes the killers are brought to justice soon and peace is restored in India."

ooc
Gandhi is a huge influence Lightning Star, just what is he up to at this point? He is not going to condone violence on either side. He needs to be accounted for in this.
The Lightning Star
16-12-2005, 14:20
the US government is fairly sure it knows what happened, but takes a fairly noncommittal line for now. "The US government is saddened by the murder of the duly elected government of India. Constitutions are the sacred pact between the people and the government, and those who ignore that pact do so at their peril, and the peril of their children. The US government hopes the killers are brought to justice soon and peace is restored in India."

ooc
Gandhi is a huge influence Lightning Star, just what is he up to at this point? He is not going to condone violence on either side. He needs to be accounted for in this.

OOC: Guys, just for the record, no one is sure that the Military killed them. I mean, OOC, if you didn't know that it was the military then that would be pretty sad, but IC, it was just a bunch of guys with a bunch of guns shooting them. I'm guessing alot of people will realise that 'twas the military, but I'm just saying what the press-release said.

In response to your Ghandi question: He actually never played a big role in Indian independence. He supported it, of course, but he wasn't the "Bapu" figure we know today. This is in part due to the fact that Apartheid kicked the can in this reality. At the moment, he is the Federated States of Indias ambassador to the League of Nations.

Now, the provinces: I had a bunch of maps set out to put each side, but I realise now that prolly wouldn't work. So, I made another map. Here it be (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/Indiawar.png). Now, you can ignore all the troop-movement stuff (I got bored, so I made those), but everything dark brown is probably very pro-Army. The lighter the color, the less pro-army they are (So the areas that are a lighter brown are pretty much pro-army, then the lighter one is not so much pro-army, and the lightest is very anti-army).
Vas Pokhoronim
16-12-2005, 15:06
OOC: Guys, just for the record, no one is sure that the Military killed them. I mean, OOC, if you didn't know that it was the military then that would be pretty sad, but IC, it was just a bunch of guys with a bunch of guns shooting them. I'm guessing alot of people will realise that 'twas the military, but I'm just saying what the press-release said.

Um. The Left-leaning government is slaughtered by dudes with assault weapons, and the Army immediately starts arresting Leftist political figures blaming them for the plot. Not much plausible deniability. IC, I think most folks will totally ignore the Army's press releases from now on. You know, unless they're like, Right-deviationist dittoheaded morons or Bill O'Reilly.
The Lightning Star
16-12-2005, 15:14
Um. The Left-leaning government is slaughtered by dudes with assault weapons, and the Army immediately starts arresting Leftist political figures blaming them for the plot. Not much plausible deniability. IC, I think most folks will totally ignore the Army's press releases from now on. You know, unless they're like, Right-deviationist dittoheaded morons or Bill O'Reilly.

I know there isn't any plausible deniability. It just looked like everyone thought the Army killed them. I mean, the army did kill them, but I mean....

Pffft, forget it.

Also, I was expecting a wee bit more support from the LTA for the Nationalists. I mean, the Leftists were about to announce that India was going to withdraw from the LTA and discuss joining the Pact. If India joins the Pact, then the LTA looses it's only ally in mainland Asia. And it's a big ally, if I say so myself.
Rodenka
16-12-2005, 16:00
RUmania declares it's support for the democratically elected government of India, refusing to recognise any other government.
Vas Pokhoronim
16-12-2005, 16:24
IAlso, I was expecting a wee bit more support from the LTA for the Nationalists. I mean, the Leftists were about to announce that India was going to withdraw from the LTA and discuss joining the Pact. If India joins the Pact, then the LTA looses it's only ally in mainland Asia. And it's a big ally, if I say so myself.
I imagine the Chinese Emperor thought that, too.

The key words there (as I'm sure you realize) are "about to." If the Leftists had withdrawn from the London Treaty, the LTA would have a reasonable case for intervention. As it is, however, the LTA is pretty much waiting to see what the Red Army's going to do. (And there has been an increase in secure cable traffic between Warsaw and Washington concerning the situation on the Subcontinent . . .) Since Bose's government didn't get a chance to even announce that they were even considering possibly withdrawing, the preemptive action by the military looks indefensible.

And, getting back to that "plausible deniability" issue, if the military comes out with the information now they're not necessarily going to be very convincing.

India's not my specialty as a historian, though I'll be looking into more now that I've put China on the Union's back-burner. I will say, however, that you're probably overestimating the popular support for the coup. After all, Bose's government had only just opened up India's first comprehensive primary school and village clinic system, which has been shut down in the aftermath of the coup. That's not going to endear them to anybody.

Moreover, Marshal Kovpak, the Russian commander of the South Asian TVD in the Intercontinental War, handled the Indian front very differently from the way, say, Marshal Bzhishkyan was handling Italy. Bzhishkyan expected a quick victory in Italy, and so came in fast with overwhelming force, trusting to win the support of the population during the occupation phase. Kovpak (now Overmarshal of the United Red Army, incidentally), on the other hand, proceeded gradually, in tandem with a vast propaganda campaign, and, I might add, a serious construction program. The Red Army built about as much as it destroyed in India, if not more (I'm pretty sure at least a couple cities the Reds took were bloodless victories). The Soviets aren't going to be universally loved as liberators, of course, but they're not going to be universally hated the way another invader might have been, either.

Personally, I think the Army jumped the gun, here (as it were). That's my preliminary judgment pending further research. But I'd guess this is likely to be more like the RL abortive Soviet restoration in the early 'Nineties than like the RL Spanish Civil War. This should probably evaporate, setting the stage for more intense conflicts later on.
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 17:21
Gandhi calls for peace, and the masses respond. Although outraged by the removal of the government by assassins, and even though the poor pretty much blame the upper classes and their tool the army, Gandhi is beloved and his plea for peace is received.

Even the commander of the mechanized corps reaches a deal with the high ranking brass and quietly resigns. The events in China are a good object lesson. A massive civil war would destroy too much of what has been gained, and thus both sides decide to not fight.

The senior army officers and their supporters will have to tread softly.

Gandhi then starts asking hard questions about when new elections will be called. Questions that rapidly spread into the newspapers and throughout the country.

The US pledges to defend India from any outside interference, but urges that elections be called soon to restore constitutional government in India.
Lesser Ribena
16-12-2005, 18:07
The British Commonwealth Minister, Malcolm MacDonald, calls for stabilism in India and makes it clear to the new government that a civil war will destroy India just as it crippled China. he also makes references to the Commonwealt Constitution and the fact that India could technically be thrown out if a non-democratic government reaches power. However he states that Britain will continue to protect her ally in these circumstances and asks the new government that if they require any assistance then Britain would be glad to help (though obviously this wouldn't include dealing with a civil revolt militarily). To provide better protection from outside sources Royal Navy patrols in the Indian Ocean are stepped up (though outside Indian national waters) and the garrisons at Ceylon and Aden are increased (Britain still controls these places, I think).
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 18:58
Concerned about the situation in Asia, the US Army sends 150,000 more troops to the Philippines (ooc, 1 HQ unit and 2 mechanized corps to Davao, Mindanao). a fighter unit from Hawaii (P40s) and an air transport unit (DC3) is also moved to Mindanao, and 2 transport units are shifted from the Atlantic to the Pacific to provide additional sea lift should it be needed.

In addition, the US 1st Fleet is shifted from Panama to Seattle, and the US 3rd Fleet is shifted from California to Pearl Harbor.
Vas Pokhoronim
16-12-2005, 19:42
Gandhi calls for peace, and the masses respond. Although outraged by the removal of the government by assassins, and even though the poor pretty much blame the upper classes and their tool the army, Gandhi is beloved and his plea for peace is received.

Even the commander of the mechanized corps reaches a deal with the high ranking brass and quietly resigns. The events in China are a good object lesson. A massive civil war would destroy too much of what has been gained, and thus both sides decide to not fight.

The senior army officers and their supporters will have to tread softly.

Gandhi then starts asking hard questions about when new elections will be called. Questions that rapidly spread into the newspapers and throughout the country.

This is about what I'd expect to happen. While it's true Gandhi's not as important yet in E20 as he was at this time in RL, this would be where he makes his reputation, and he would make it exactly like this.
Abbassia
16-12-2005, 19:51
A great man, he was the father of peaceful marchs
Of the council of clan
16-12-2005, 19:52
I imagine the Chinese Emperor thought that, too.

The key words there (as I'm sure you realize) are "about to." If the Leftists had withdrawn from the London Treaty, the LTA would have a reasonable case for intervention. As it is, however, the LTA is pretty much waiting to see what the Red Army's going to do. (And there has been an increase in secure cable traffic between Warsaw and Washington concerning the situation on the Subcontinent . . .) Since Bose's government didn't get a chance to even announce that they were even considering possibly withdrawing, the preemptive action by the military looks indefensible.

And, getting back to that "plausible deniability" issue, if the military comes out with the information now they're not necessarily going to be very convincing.

India's not my specialty as a historian, though I'll be looking into more now that I've put China on the Union's back-burner. I will say, however, that you're probably overestimating the popular support for the coup. After all, Bose's government had only just opened up India's first comprehensive primary school and village clinic system, which has been shut down in the aftermath of the coup. That's not going to endear them to anybody.

Moreover, Marshal Kovpak, the Russian commander of the South Asian TVD in the Intercontinental War, handled the Indian front very differently from the way, say, Marshal Bzhishkyan was handling Italy. Bzhishkyan expected a quick victory in Italy, and so came in fast with overwhelming force, trusting to win the support of the population during the occupation phase. Kovpak (now Overmarshal of the United Red Army, incidentally), on the other hand, proceeded gradually, in tandem with a vast propaganda campaign, and, I might add, a serious construction program. The Red Army built about as much as it destroyed in India, if not more (I'm pretty sure at least a couple cities the Reds took were bloodless victories). The Soviets aren't going to be universally loved as liberators, of course, but they're not going to be universally hated the way another invader might have been, either.

Personally, I think the Army jumped the gun, here (as it were). That's my preliminary judgment pending further research. But I'd guess this is likely to be more like the RL abortive Soviet restoration in the early 'Nineties than like the RL Spanish Civil War. This should probably evaporate, setting the stage for more intense conflicts later on.


OOC: I Imagine Pakistan might get set to be formed considering how far the Union pushed into India and that Pakistan was their primary occupation. So you might want to do a Revolt in Pakistan asking for seperation before an entire government change in India


Just a thought.
The Lightning Star
16-12-2005, 20:39
Gandhi calls for peace, and the masses respond. Although outraged by the removal of the government by assassins, and even though the poor pretty much blame the upper classes and their tool the army, Gandhi is beloved and his plea for peace is received.

Even the commander of the mechanized corps reaches a deal with the high ranking brass and quietly resigns. The events in China are a good object lesson. A massive civil war would destroy too much of what has been gained, and thus both sides decide to not fight.

The senior army officers and their supporters will have to tread softly.

Gandhi then starts asking hard questions about when new elections will be called. Questions that rapidly spread into the newspapers and throughout the country.

The US pledges to defend India from any outside interference, but urges that elections be called soon to restore constitutional government in India.

OOC: Ribenia; I control Ceylon, but not Aden.

And VP, how could all of the aid you sent disappear? I mean, it's halfway through the year, and I hardly expect you to only send it at the very end. I may not have received all of the aid, but I must have received at least part of it, and on my own I was quite close to reaching level I.

Of course, it's GB's call, seeing how he control the economic system.

Not Real IC: Gandhi is dragged away and never seen again :D

Real IC:

Statement by President Rafik Khan

My government is sworn to protect India and the Indian people by whatever means needed. While we promise to restore the normal government(OOC: Democratic rule) as soon as possible, we must make sure that the country is safe. As long as there are radicals trying to destroy India from within, we cannot have a secure nation.

To prove my governments sole mission is to secure India, I assure full transparency of my governments activities (except for those that are vital to the security of India). You will see that what I say is true.
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 21:18
OOC: Ribenia; I control Ceylon, but not Aden.

And VP, how could all of the aid you sent disappear? I mean, it's halfway through the year, and I hardly expect you to only send it at the very end. I may not have received all of the aid, but I must have received at least part of it, and on my own I was quite close to reaching level I.

Of course, it's GB's call, seeing how he control the economic system.

Not Real IC: Gandhi is dragged away and never seen again :D

Real IC:

Statement by President Rafik Khan

My government is sworn to protect India and the Indian people by whatever means needed. While we promise to restore the normal government(OOC: Democratic rule) as soon as possible, we must make sure that the country is safe. As long as there are radicals trying to destroy India from within, we cannot have a secure nation.

To prove my governments sole mission is to secure India, I assure full transparency of my governments activities (except for those that are vital to the security of India). You will see that what I say is true.

ooc
points spend on India are spent until the assissinations occured, India doesn't control either Burma or Ceylon, both are crown colonies of Great Britian and were distinct from the Empire of India.
The Lightning Star
16-12-2005, 21:27
ooc
points spend on India are spent until the assissinations occured, India doesn't control either Burma or Ceylon, both are crown colonies of Great Britian and were distinct from the Empire of India.

I know I don't have Burma, but if I don't have Ceylon then why is it colored in for me on the map? Meh, I guess that's a screw-up.

And I don't get the phrase "points spend on India are spent until the assissinations occured". Does that mean I get them or not?
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 21:49
I know I don't have Burma, but if I don't have Ceylon then why is it colored in for me on the map? Meh, I guess that's a screw-up.

And I don't get the phrase "points spend on India are spent until the assissinations occured". Does that mean I get them or not?

the Union sent aid to India that stopped after Chose was shot. Either the Union provided it all at once in a lump sum, or more likely, spread it out over the year which means the amount of aid India received is prorated from the date of the death of Chose to the start of the year. All other aid points are lost.
Vas Pokhoronim
16-12-2005, 21:55
the Union sent aid to India that stopped after Chose was shot. Either the Union provided it all at once in a lump sum, or more likely, spread it out over the year which means the amount of aid India received is prorated from the date of the death of Chose to the start of the year. All other aid points are lost.
They were specifically spread out over the year, and specifically earmarked for primary schools and village clinics. India received half the points (18). The Union decided, after the coup, to use the other half for financing internal migration incentives, as mentioned in the Econ Thread.
The Lightning Star
16-12-2005, 21:58
They were specifically spread out over the year, and specifically earmarked for primary schools and village clinics. India received half the points (18). The Union decided, after the coup, to use the other half for financing internal migration incentives, as mentioned in the Econ Thread.

Okay then.

So I still have Level I, but just barely.
Vas Pokhoronim
17-12-2005, 00:01
Okay then.

So I still have Level I, but just barely.
You have nothing in social services for the rest of the year unless you spend at least 18 points of your own (or find another sponsor). I haven't been following your budget allocations closely enough to know whether or not you've done that.
The Lightning Star
17-12-2005, 00:12
You have nothing in social services for the rest of the year unless you spend at least 18 points of your own (or find another sponsor). I haven't been following your budget allocations closely enough to know whether or not you've done that.

I have your 18 points, plus the 12 points I spent then, plus alot of points I put in earlier.

I've got's enough.
Lesser Ribena
17-12-2005, 19:03
I know I don't have Burma, but if I don't have Ceylon then why is it colored in for me on the map? Meh, I guess that's a screw-up.

OOC: Yep, probably, i'll change it on the next map issue.
The Lightning Star
19-12-2005, 13:23
Government Announces Economic Plan for Next Five Years

Although the way the current government came to power has come under fire from many nations, it has shown that it is determined to strengthen India. Today, President Rafik Khan announced "India's Five Year March", an economic program aimed at strengthening the nation of India. "Throughout Indias entire time on this planet as an Independent Nation, not one economic program has been initiated," began the President during his announcement. "My government aims to change that. This year, we will be beginning India's Five Year March! I will not lie to you; five years of hard-work and teamwork lay ahead of us. However, at the end of those five-years wait many things. High schools and public hospitals, more jobs, and an easier life! With the new industrial capacity that we shall create, not only will more poor Indians be off the streets and into the factories with jobs, but we will be able to help our people even more by initiating even more social programs."

After looking at the plans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10123790&postcount=684), the Indian community is torn, although not to the degree that violence might break out. A large amount of Indians believe that the social programs should come before the industrial programs, but supporters of the plans counter this by saying the radical socialists might try to halt the program after the social programs have ended. In the end, though, it looks like we will have to wait and see what will come of this program.
Galveston Bay
20-12-2005, 04:37
OOC
the population of India in 1935 is 296 million
http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Asia/indiac.htm

There will be opposition to this plan .. the military government is not loved. It will start peacefully.

IC
The Liberals immediately agiitate for a change in the plan, calling for 29 points to be spent on basic social programs like schools and clinics. They call for 26 points to be spent on level 1 social services, plus 3 points on upgrading infantry to motorized infantry corps.

They call for the cancelling of the planned factory build, and the mechanized corps.

They also work on persuading the British to help improve the Indian economy.
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 15:17
OOC
the population of India in 1935 is 296 million
http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Asia/indiac.htm

There will be opposition to this plan .. the military government is not loved. It will start peacefully.

IC
The Liberals immediately agiitate for a change in the plan, calling for 29 points to be spent on basic social programs like schools and clinics. They call for 26 points to be spent on level 1 social services, plus 3 points on upgrading infantry to motorized infantry corps.

They call for the cancelling of the planned factory build, and the mechanized corps.

They also work on persuading the British to help improve the Indian economy.



OOC: Is that WITH Pakistan and Bangladesh? Because the Population post on the economic thread said I had 360 million. That's pretty much the figure I've heard before.



IC: If the liberals had examined the economic plans, they would realise that by the end of the plan, our military will have eight motorized corps, and level 2 sevices.
Vas Pokhoronim
20-12-2005, 15:38
OOC: Is that WITH Pakistan and Bangladesh? Because the Population post on the economic thread said I had 360 million. That's pretty much the figure I've heard before.



IC: If the liberals had examined the economic plans, they would realise that by the end of the plan, our military will have eight motorized corps, and level 2 sevices.
1. The population figure GB quoted does not include Pakistan and Bangladesh. My colleague missed that.

2. Which means the Level II Social Services would cost 72 points annually (2 points per 10 million people). I don't know where you're getting the 43 figure from.

3. People don't necessarily examine future plans before protesting, or trust their government - especially when their government seized power illegally by slaughtering the previous, democratically-elected one and arresting members of the opposition.

Again, India's not my specialty as a historian. But so far in E20 nothing has happened to justify according Indian fascism any popularity (China is another matter . . . ). Seriously, your military government is only going to last if Khan goes full-out Stalin on the opposition. And that's not a sure thing.
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 15:52
1. The population figure GB quoted does not include Pakistan and Bangladesh. My colleague missed that.

2. Which means the Level II Social Services would cost 72 points annually (2 points per 10 million people). I don't know where you're getting the 43 figure from.

3. People don't necessarily examine future plans before protesting, or trust their government - especially when their government seized power illegally by slaughtering the previous, democratically-elected one and arresting members of the opposition.

Again, India's not my specialty as a historian. But so far in E20 nothing has happened to justify according Indian fascism any popularity (China is another matter . . . ). Seriously, your military government is only going to last if Khan goes full-out Stalin on the opposition. And that's not a sure thing.

Ahh, annually. I see. I am mistaken. I was under the impression that you pay once, as in I paid 36 points over time, thus meaning I had level I, then I add another 36 points, thus giving me 72 points total, thus meaning I have level II. Having to pay 72 points annually is insane. That would mean for level 5 services, I would have to pay over 360 points a year, which would destroy my country.

Also, the opposition doesn't have much of a head, and probably won't for at least a few years. I kinda made sure of that by killing off all of the leftist leaders. The military government will end soon, by the way, and the Parliament will be brought back into play next year, and then Khan will step down in 1941, after the plan is finished.
Vas Pokhoronim
20-12-2005, 16:31
Gandhi's "not much of a head"? Oi.
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 17:49
Gandhi's "not much of a head"? Oi.

?
Galveston Bay
20-12-2005, 18:28
Gandhi's "not much of a head"? Oi.

ooc
alas, the source didn't include Bangladesh or Pakistan

India has a large (in size, not proportion) population of middle class college educated men (and some women) at this time in history, and the Middle Class tends to have Progressive goals.. which include social justice. New leaders will rapidly turn up at the grass roots level and quickly develop a following. In addition, this is a British trained army, with British instilled respect for civilian government. The Army will not allow a Stalinist type regime to be instituted by the Army.

Finally, since when have voters been inclined to be patient? They had level 1 social services (schools and clinics) and now the budget for them has been cut. They want them back.
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 18:43
ooc
alas, the source didn't include Bangladesh or Pakistan

India has a large (in size, not proportion) population of middle class college educated men (and some women) at this time in history, and the Middle Class tends to have Progressive goals.. which include social justice. New leaders will rapidly turn up at the grass roots level and quickly develop a following. In addition, this is a British trained army, with British instilled respect for civilian government. The Army will not allow a Stalinist type regime to be instituted by the Army.

Finally, since when have voters been inclined to be patient? They had level 1 social services (schools and clinics) and now the budget for them has been cut. They want them back.

I can't afford level I services. If what VP says is right, It'd cost me 36 points a year. I only have 16 points!
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 18:46
ooc
alas, the source didn't include Bangladesh or Pakistan

India has a large (in size, not proportion) population of middle class college educated men (and some women) at this time in history, and the Middle Class tends to have Progressive goals.. which include social justice. New leaders will rapidly turn up at the grass roots level and quickly develop a following. In addition, this is a British trained army, with British instilled respect for civilian government. The Army will not allow a Stalinist type regime to be instituted by the Army.

Finally, since when have voters been inclined to be patient? They had level 1 social services (schools and clinics) and now the budget for them has been cut. They want them back.

A whole new class of officers have come into the army. Sure, the british-trained ones are still there, but this new class is the class who'se first taste of combat was a fierce guerilla campaign in Baluchistan. I in no way intend for there to be a stalinist regime (even Pakistan's dictators were pretty nice as dictators go), but the army isn't the type to go "OH NO! We could kill a civilian! We can't do that!" They won't go around trying to kill civilians (well, unless they are actively calling to destroy the government), but they aren't going to shy away from doing what must be done.
Galveston Bay
20-12-2005, 19:05
A whole new class of officers have come into the army. Sure, the british-trained ones are still there, but this new class is the class who'se first taste of combat was a fierce guerilla campaign in Baluchistan. I in no way intend for there to be a stalinist regime (even Pakistan's dictators were pretty nice as dictators go), but the army isn't the type to go "OH NO! We could kill a civilian! We can't do that!" They won't go around trying to kill civilians (well, unless they are actively calling to destroy the government), but they aren't going to shy away from doing what must be done.

actually, the 2nd Great War, a mere decade ago, is a far more important influence, as that is what most of your middle ranking officers (who actually command battalions and brigades) consider to be a real war. Baluchistan was just regular old colonial policing in that perspective.
Lesser Ribena
20-12-2005, 20:15
Britain quietly lets India know that it could fac esome trouble in the next years with a national effort and little social services. However Britain is able to promise India some aid next year if this will help (let me know how much you will need) and it is hoped that this will avoid strikes and other civil disturbances which many economists and sociologists are predicting. Especially given the recent disturbances in China.
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 21:56
Britain quietly lets India know that it could fac esome trouble in the next years with a national effort and little social services. However Britain is able to promise India some aid next year if this will help (let me know how much you will need) and it is hoped that this will avoid strikes and other civil disturbances which many economists and sociologists are predicting. Especially given the recent disturbances in China.

All we need is enough money to support the poor of India, which will equal about 20 points. Even without our industrialization plan, we cannot supply good services to our population, and the communists are getting an increasing sway on the poor of India. If we do not calm them down, then we might well have a revolution on our hands.
The Lightning Star
20-12-2005, 22:00
actually, the 2nd Great War, a mere decade ago, is a far more important influence, as that is what most of your middle ranking officers (who actually command battalions and brigades) consider to be a real war. Baluchistan was just regular old colonial policing in that perspective.

Well, you have a point there. However, over 50,000 casualties and many hundreds of thousands or more lives ruined, the destruction of the local economy, and a war lasting 19 months is more than regular old colonial policing in my book.
Lesser Ribena
21-12-2005, 13:40
All we need is enough money to support the poor of India, which will equal about 20 points. Even without our industrialization plan, we cannot supply good services to our population, and the communists are getting an increasing sway on the poor of India. If we do not calm them down, then we might well have a revolution on our hands.

In which case Britain would be pleased to assign 26 points of foreign aid to India next year as part of the Commonwealth support system. 20 points are to be spent on social services whilst the remaining 6 are to be spent on whatever the Indian government deems necessary (shipping units may be a worthwhile investment). Perhaps other members of the Commonwealth may be able to spare a few points of aid as well? Maybe you should contact them, do not forget GB who controls the NPC nations including NPC Commonwealth countries.
The Lightning Star
21-12-2005, 19:07
In which case Britain would be pleased to assign 26 points of foreign aid to India next year as part of the Commonwealth support system. 20 points are to be spent on social services whilst the remaining 6 are to be spent on whatever the Indian government deems necessary (shipping units may be a worthwhile investment). Perhaps other members of the Commonwealth may be able to spare a few points of aid as well? Maybe you should contact them, do not forget GB who controls the NPC nations including NPC Commonwealth countries.

We are very gracious for your donation of points, and we are taking your suggestion and bulding shipping units. We also ask the rest of the commonwealth nations if they could each set a small amount of aid for India, so that we can support our social programs for the next five years.
Galveston Bay
21-12-2005, 19:17
ooc
Thus a political compromise and solution is found... averting Civil War in India (much rejoicing)

Seriously, this buys the government time in a big way
The Lightning Star
21-12-2005, 19:35
ooc
Thus a political compromise and solution is found... averting Civil War in India (much rejoicing)

Seriously, this buys the government time in a big way

OOC: Magic and wonder!

This appeases the moderate leftists, satisfies what's left of the radical leftists (most of whom bit the dust), and keeps the right happy by not diverting funds from the industrial building.

I knew this was gonna work out after all.

All I need to do is find enough spending for 1937, 1938, 1939, and 1940. :D
Lesser Ribena
21-12-2005, 19:56
OOC: Woo, I may be able to spare a few points in '38 as well. If you still require them then. Which I guess you will due to lack of industry etc.
The Lightning Star
04-01-2006, 02:28
Government abolishes Caste system!

In a well-received move by the lower-classes of India, although not as well received by the upper hindu classes, the government of India has abolished the caste system. "This inhumane treatment of fellow man must cease," stated President Khan. Although most likely viewed as a move to win the support of the lower classes (which it no doubt shall do), it has long been known that the military hasn't been fond of the caste system, because certain soldiers will not fight along those of lowers castes, which causes problems amongst the army. Therefore, President Khan has, in essence, killed two birds with one stone.
The Lightning Star
08-01-2006, 05:10
National Elections Held!

A few years overdue, but welcomed none the less, National elections have been held. The elections decided both the President AND the Parliament, so they were important indeed. Although they were mostly deemed free and fair, all left-wing parties, except for the Socialist Congress of India, were banned from participating in the election. This lead to the election being boycotted by Communists, although the turnout was still high with over 300 million voters. The results are as follow:

Parliament:

Muslim League: 213 seats
Indian Centrist Party: 178 seats
New Congress Party: 139 seats
Socialist Congress of India: 102 seats
Indian Imperialist party: 57 seats
Independent: 1 seat

President:
Liaquat Ali Khan (Muslim League): 48.75%
Mohandas K. Ghandi (Indian Centrist Party): 30.68%
Jawaharlal Nehru (New Congress Party): 16.57%
Bhagat Singh (Socialist Congress of India): 2.58%
Ayub Khan (Indian Imperialist Party): 1.40%
Pandit Madan Mohan Malaviya (Independent): .02%

The result of the elections show that, although the Muslim League won both the Presidential elections and the majority of seats in Parliament, that the Indian people are swaying more towards the center. What may have given the centrists such a boost was the recent scare of another Great War. It is believed that the new government may be seeking a new alliance, that doesn't bring with it as much of a chance of India being invaded and ravaged by war.
Vas Pokhoronim
08-01-2006, 05:16
The Union congratulates (the new) President Khan on his election, and expresses a great joy at seeing the democratic process in India restored peacefully.
Lesser Ribena
08-01-2006, 12:20
Neville Chamberlain congratulates the new Indian President on his democratic victory and hopes for continued cooperation between the Indian and British peoples.
Middle Snu
08-01-2006, 20:07
Argentina makes an offer to India. Noticing India's troubled financial status, the Argentina would be willing to make a large investment in India's merchant marine. The benefits of such an investment could be split between our two countries.

(OOC: I give you 12 points in '41. You build 4 merchant marine, and give me 2 points per turn. You could buy me out at the cost of 4 points/merchant marine at any time. I know 2 points isn't much, but it is something.)
The Lightning Star
08-01-2006, 21:14
Argentina makes an offer to India. Noticing India's troubled financial status, the Argentina would be willing to make a large investment in India's merchant marine. The benefits of such an investment could be split between our two countries.

(OOC: I give you 12 points in '41. You build 4 merchant marine, and give me 2 points per turn. You could buy me out at the cost of 4 points/merchant marine at any time. I know 2 points isn't much, but it is something.)

OOC: 2 points for how many turns?
Middle Snu
08-01-2006, 21:47
OOC: 2 points for how many turns?

(OOC: Forever, unless you want to buy out my share of the operation. Just so you know, this is an almost totally beneficial deal for you. The only exception is if you would max out your commerce points in 1941, in which case you'd have to buy me out at a cost of 4 points/shipping instead of buying yourself at 3 points/shipping unit.)
The Lightning Star
08-01-2006, 21:49
(OOC: Forever, unless you want to buy out my share of the operation. Just so you know, this is an almost totally beneficial deal for you. The only exception is if you would max out your commerce points in 1941, in which case you'd have to buy me out at a cost of 4 points/shipping instead of buying yourself at 3 points/shipping unit.)

(OOC: Ok, deal.)

IC:

The Government of India would be happy to go through with this deal.
The Lightning Star
13-01-2006, 16:26
India leaves London Treaty Alliance and Commonwealth of Nations!

After a heated debate which took the better part of a week, the Indian Parliament has voted to withdraw from the London Treaty Alliance and the Commonwealth of Nations. 524 MP's voted to withdraw from the LTA, with 79 abstaining and 97 voting no. One of the phrases that mostly signifies why there was such support for leaving the LTA was "India shall not become the chess-piece of Washington or Warsaw! Let them fight their own war without us!" The vote to withdraw from the Commonwealth of Nations was tighter, with 428 voting for, 201 voting against, and 71 abstaining, due to the fact that Great Britain is viewed with a kind opinion in the eyes of the Indians. However, the majority of MP's were convinced to leave the Commonwealth due to the fact that the Commonwealth was really just a sub-division of the LTA, for every member was still a part of it, and that the Commonwealth was marching towards war hand-in-hand with the LTA.
Galveston Bay
13-01-2006, 16:57
ooc
see LTA thread, but this occurs in April 1939
The Lightning Star
13-01-2006, 17:02
ooc
see LTA thread, but this occurs in April 1939

OOC:

Mmmmkay.
Lesser Ribena
13-01-2006, 23:07
Britain is sad to see India leave the LTA and Commonwealth but acknowledges her right to do so. Whilst it is seen as a shock by many in the government there is still much affection for India and her dedication to Britain and the Commonwealth. It is hoped that once these impending troubles are over India may wish to rejoin the Commonwealth and benefit from rejoined ties with the United Kingdom.
The Lightning Star
14-01-2006, 01:06
Although India has left the Commonwealth and the London Treaty Alliance, the Indian government and people wish for the British Government and people to know that they are still held in high esteem by the Indians, and that they wish for continuing good ties with Great Britain.