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S-200 Quinn & Collins battle rifle

Background One of the concerns the Incorporated Sarzonian Army had during the Battle of Daltrey was the fact that the M-8 assault rifle did not have the penetrating power against the silksteel armour employed by Pantera's legions of Reavers. While the Sarzonians managed to turn the tide of the battle by employing heavy ammunition, the battle highlighted the Army's need for an assault rifle with excellent range and penetration to provide an excellent weapon against modern armours. The result of the research by the Incorporated Ordnance Company is the new S-200 Quinn & Collins heavy assault rifle.

One of the sacrifices the IOC realised it would have to make for a larger, more powerful assault rifle was rate of fire. The S-200 can fire at a burst rate of 425 rounds per minute, but for no longer than 10 seconds in optimal conditions. Under normal battle conditions, the burst setting can and should be employed for only five seconds. Instead of use as an automated assault weapon, the S-200 is optimised for selective and heavy fire. The S-200 is designed for accuracy and range, not for rate of fire. Like some standard assault rifles, the S-200 also includes a 30 mm grenade launcher for effective use against body armour and thin-skinned personnel vehicles. For ceremonial purposes or for last-ditch close in encounters, a bayonet can be easily attached, though this is rarely employed in Sarzonian doctrine.

Round: 8.78 x 64 mm
Weight: (empty) 4.1 kg
Overall Length: 940 mm
Firing Rate: Burst rate of 425 rounds/minute; extreme maximum safe duration of 10 seconds for burst rate fire. Optimal duration five seconds. The S-200 is designed to be mostly a selective fire weapon.
Muzzle Velocity: 740 m/sec.
Magazine Capacity: 20 or 30 shots.
Effective Range: 750 m
Features: Includes detachable red dot sight mechanism and iron sighting built into the rifle for emergency use. A 40 mm grenade launcher is included.
Price: $1,200

OOC: This is still sort of a work in progress, so comments/feedback would be welcomed.

*bump*

Huge cartridge for a service weapon... Firing that weapon would break the shooter's shoulder, methinks. And if you are determined to use a smasher like that, then there should be VERY limited capability of full-auto fire. And the range would be longer.

Huge cartridge for a service weapon... Firing that weapon would break the shooter's shoulder, methinks. And if you are determined to use a smasher like that, then there should be VERY limited capability of full-auto fire. And the range would be longer.I didn't include much of a capacity for full auto fire. And the 10 second period for burst fire is only if conditions are absolutely perfect and it's going to be very rare that it would ever happen for a full on 10 seconds. A shooter who fires at burst rates longer than five seconds is taking a huge risk.

This isn't a standard infantry assault rifle (ala the typical NATO 5.56/45 mm NATO or the 7.62/51 mm NATO rounds). This is a battle rifle because it's heavier and it's intended to face the ridiculously heavy armours of some of Sarzonia's likely enemies. It's a battle rifle because it is, by design, much heavier than an assault rifle.

I've heard other people say the range should be longer. I consider the range number I used the *effective* range, as in, the range when you'd reasonably expect to hit your target. In my observation, some of the ranges listed may be somewhat optimistic. Then again, unlike Doomingsland, I don't have much personal experience firing a gun.

I have a small question to ask. How long would you say the normal bayonet is in the Sarzonian service?

~ Romandeos.

(OOC: Actual comments on the rifle pending. I just need a moment to study it.)

Most likely 24 to 30 inches for the bayonet. It's been a long time since I've studied bayonets.

Based on feedback from a couple of knowledgable players, I'm upping the effective range.

OOC: Most modern bayonets are about six inches or so. 24/30 inches is possibly way too long for a weapon. It will add alot of weight and will be unwiedly to match. The old British musket bayonet was 17 inches, and then a bayonet charge was often how they finished a battle. 12 inches is probably the longest you would want on a modern rifle, as a bayonet is generally ony for psychological uses rather than combat.

Ah, I was thinking more along the lines of a bayonet from the Revolutionary War period than a modern day bayonet.

In that case, I'd probably use a 9 inch bayonet.

My Tagmatium armed forces are issued with a 12 inch one, but this is going to be an exception, rather than the rule. Your 9-inch blade s probably much more reasonable. Two more questions:

You going to have pictures of this rifle?

Is it to be of a standard design, or bull-pup?

My Tagmatium armed forces are issued with a 12 inch one, but this is going to be an exception, rather than the rule. Your 9-inch blade s probably much more reasonable. Two more questions:

You going to have pictures of this rifle?

Is it to be of a standard design, or bull-pup?I absolutely suck at rendering designs like ships, guns, tanks, etc. If I can get someone to draw it for me, I'll include it, but otherwise, I don't think there's anything IRL that corresponds to what I'm doing.

Most likely, it's a standard design. I *might* also include a bullpup variant, but right now, I'm thinking standard is the way to go for this large, heavy beast.

Tagmatium: Yeah, seeing a bunch of guys running at you screaming with sharp, pointy objects on the ends of their rifles is usually quite scary.

Sarzonia: Nine inches sounds pretty good, seeing as how you said Sarzonian Doctrine does not call for the regular use of the bayonet.

~ Romandeos.

OOC:Very nice, Sarz, check the lineart forum for my input on it.

I use a 16" bayonet, mainly because my guys just LOVE getting into melees, however rare such occasions are.

OOC: I saw the feedback. I appreciate it very much. :)

It's high praise coming from someone with your expertise, I must say. :D

Is this Modern Tech or what? Because I suspect that the Peoples' Guard (the Tagmatine army) would be very interested in purchasing this weapon as a squad support weapon or something similar, along side our existing ones.

Concerning pictures, I hand-drew some of my own weaponry a while back, but the change over from MS Word to MS Paint distorted the scanned images. My MS Paint has "Scan images into Paint" setting greyed out... :headbang: I have Pro-desktop, and if I weren't so busy/lazy I would use this.

EDIT: You could try to gather pictures of modern rifles, then use Paint or PhotoShop to butcher them and make something that you like, kind of like a Frankenstein's Monster, but made out of photographs.