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We at Brettonian Military Industries are proud to unveil what will unquestionably become the new symbol of the Technology of Peace™. The result of years of painstaking research between Brettonian Military Industries (BMI) and the Kingdom of Sileetris has reached summation with the seventh armored tank: the Peacemaker.

Lineart (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/appleseed.jpg)

Model number: A7V; A7V-C (command unit)
Code name: Peacemaker
Unit type: Heavyweight Multi-Legged Main Battle Tank
Manufacturer: Bretton, Sileetris
Operator: Bretton, Spizania, Axis Nova, Allanea, Infinite Crucible
Dimensions: Main body height 47 meters, total height 110 meters; maximum width 44 meters; main body length 86 meters, overall length 91 meters
Dry Weight: 5150 tons
Maximum Weight: 6400 tons
Construction: titanium/ceramic composite with depleted uranium rods, various specialized armor materials; electric/reactive armor subsystem
Powerplant: 3 x He3 Bubble Fusion Reactor, output rated at 400 MW each, various superconducting energy condensers
Propulsion: 6 legs, combination hydraulic/pneumatic walking system; vertical thrust system, mounts 14 x Tesla turbine array
Crew: 10 in command units: commander, navigator, driver, communications officer, 2 logistics officers, gunnery officer, 3 engineers; normal units are unmanned and controlled by onboard AI combat unit
Performance: maximum ground walking speed 88 km/h; maxiumum hovering speed 120 km/h
Equipment and design features: various sensors, advanced electronic warfare and communication suites, including all-spectrum all-weather viewing system
Weapon Systems: 78cm electromagnetic railgun, mounted in primary turret; 2 x 125mm 6-barrel rotary vulcan cannon, mounted in undercarriage turret; 4 x 172mm machine cannon, mounted in hull, two front two rear; 2 x 90mm 4-barrel rotary vulcan cannon, mounted in ball turrets on front hull; 2 x 2-barrel 125mm antiaircraft cannon, mounted in ball turrets in hull, one left one right; 8 x 90mm machine cannon, two mounted in primary turret, four mounted on lower hull, two left two right, two mounted on rear hull; 26 x micromissile vertical launch system, mounted on hull roof; microwave emitter system; close-in antipersonnell grenade launcher system

Description
Submitted by the Kingdom of Sileetris

"True to its name, the Peacemaker will bring swift resolution to any conflict, whether via its fearsome appearance or massive ordanance is the enemy's choice.

Reminiscent of a spider in form, the Peacemaker walks upright on six legs, and has numerous high-resolution sensor eyes. Its extreme height, while opening it up to attack from further away, is balanced by its incredible armor scheme, and its extensive combat radius. Its massive weight would make it impossible to transport over bridges. The Peacemaker is fully amphibious; its heavy armor can protect it from all but the most powerful forces exerted by crushing ocean depths. The Peacemaker may utilize its thrust array system to create a limited ground-effect hovering motion, but it is ineffective over a nonsolid surface, such as water. Destruction of infrastructure, especially buried pipes and subways, may be common in its path, but its intended purpose gives it the right of way; an opponent when faced with the Peacemaker will have more important things to worry about.

Armament: The Peacemaker has 360 degree battlefield coverage with its various weapons. Self-propelled rounds, similar to those used in the Gyrojet weapons and featuring both an ignition charge and self-contained propellant, are the mainstay projectile weapon, giving incredible punch and range compared to normal shells, as well as reducing complexity by being caseless. These ammunitions are used in the majority of the Peacemaker's weapon systems. True to its scale, the cannons used are mechanically impossible to fit into smaller units; vulcan guns in the tank caliber range are a sight to behold with reverance. Twenty-six VLS cells dot the Peacemaker's back, capable of firing multipurpose missiles. Internal revolver magazines can quickly swap out surface-to-air, surface-to-surface, and more specialized payloads in short order. The Peacemaker's primary weapon is the gargantuan 78cm "Leopold" eletromagnetic railgun, mounted in the oversized forward turret. When not in use the turret is kept facing backwards to allow for easier maneuvering. This railgun is of the same type as those seen on super-dreadnoughts, with an accurate range of over 400km and discharging either a gigantic solid slug weighing over a ton or a sub-caliber discarding sabot for greater penetration at the expense of collateral damage. The railgun requires some preparation time as the Peacemaker must firmly brace itself against the ground to ensure maximum accuracy, as well as about thirty seconds to fully charge the railway carriage-sized capacitors powering the electromagnetic sling, but delivering an accurate payload over the horizon, no enemy is going to praise the inconvenience as a weakness. For indirect fire, the Peacemaker relies on forward spotter units, or satellite observation if available. Closer to home, the Peacemaker deals with infantry and other soft targets using a multitude of concealed flechette grenade dischargers, insuring no one can close in and attempt to plant demolition charges or other forms of sabotage without being turned to swiss cheese. ALso of interesting note is the omnidirectional microwave projection system which can serve multiple roles, cooking everything from electronics and missiles to internal organs, and since the system draws directly from the Peacemaker's power supply, it has an effectively unlimited capacity.

Armor: The real beauty of the Peacemaker lies not in its impressive offense, but in its unconquerable defense scheme. Brettonian Military Industries has always toted defense over offense, and the Peacemaker is an unquestionable posterchild of this principle. Capable of withstanding repeated bombardment from naval weaponry, the Peacemaker is devilishly hard to take out of action. The core of the Peacemaker's outstanding defense is its countermeasure AI. One of several onboard AI units, the countermeasure unit has a vast array of technologies at its disposal. To defeat radar guidance, the Peacemaker can utilize a sophisticated radar jamming system, as well as a streamlined, nearly organic-looking external armor to help reduce its radar signature. Special missiles bearing a signature-generating warhead may also be launched, flooding guidance systems with false targets. This can also be acheived with traditional chaff grenades. To thwart infrared guidance, the AI utilizes a barrage of flares while simultaneously venting surplus coolant over the Peacemaker's body, giving it a null heat signature. If the aforementioned systems fail, or in the case of wire-guided ballistics, the Peacemaker's countermeasure AI demonstrates an impressive ability to hack into a missile's onboard systems, allowing it to do anything from immediately crashing the missile into the ground, shooting it straight into the stratosphere, or even instructing it to perform a complete 180-degree turn and sending it back to the launcher; an effective "return to sender" stamp with explosive results. Laser-guided projectiles are thwarted by the A7V's utilization of decoy laser projectors. These match the strength, color, frequency, etc, of a targeting laser and replicate it from innumerable projectors, effectively giving the laser guidance system thousands of false targets. Of course, the Peacemaker's medium and small (relative) bore guns act as CIWS for the purpose of obliterating the most stubborn warheads. As a last ditch maneuver, the Peacemaker can calculate the trajectory of incoming ballistics. With this data, the Peacemaker quickly shuts off the redwood-sized hydraulics in its legs and activates gigantic pneumatic rams, allowing it to shift its main body's position with an amazing speed for such a large object. Moving the main body out of harm's way either by making a lateral shift, or a sharp increase/decrease in altitude, will successfully allow the Peacemaker to dodge any projectiles shrewd or lucky enough to avoid its numerous defensive systems. In the event that a projectile scores a successful hit, the comprehensive armoring system comes into play. Made of an enormously thick and enormously classified composite, the skin of the Peacemaker is nigh unbreakable to weapons even up to tank calibers except after intense punishment. Shaped charges pose little threat thanks to the brilliant electric/reactive armor subsystem, which can defeat virtually any traditional high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead. Even the eyes rest below nearly a yard of high-grade transparant alumina, tougher than hardened steel. Should a projectile penetrate through the outer layer, there is a layer of liquid in displacement chambers that will distribute the force of the projectile outward in all directions, minimizing collateral damage from the impact. As if that wasn't enough, yet another layer of armor, equally dense as the first, lies beneath that. In the rare case damage is done to the internal areas of the A7V, ammunition store explosions are vented outward, power is rerouted in any number of ways, and backup computers take over damaged tasks. The Peacemaker is smart enough to know how to minimize damage to its critical systems.

Computing: While most of the A7V's AI battle computer are classified even in mechanism, let alone power, it is a known fact that it employs a biological element. Deep within the armored core of the Peacemaker's central computer is the dissected brain of a hunting spider native to Bretton's treacherous mountains. This tiny lump of biomatter serves as the Peacemaker's all-important Central Motion Control Unit (CMCU). This degree of efficiency is absolutely necessary in order to balance and coordinate itself; this is what makes the A7V suceed over all previous prototypes employing purely electronic and simulated motion control systems. The combat AI is rumored to be more powerful than most national combat mainframes, or at least a thousand times as clever in attaining its goals. With the communication array at its disposal it can hack nearly anything, anytime, from anywhere. Also, from what is known about its Quantum computing abilities, it can break encryptions that would take months in mere hours. Of course, the entire system could be rendered worthless by an appreciably-sized electromagnetic pulse; thusly, the Peacemaker features exclusive shielding, leading some to call it the 'Faraday spider.' Most A7V's are completely automated; only command units, marked by prominent antenna arrays and carrying the seperate model number A7V-C, feature a crew compartment. Each command unit is capable of effectively coordinating ten seperate Peacemakers, dramatically reducing the number of highly-trained, highly-valuable soldiers operating each battalion.

Sensors and Communication: With every manner of sensor ever envisioned at its disposal, the Peacemaker will never overlook a potential target. A radar/lidar suite of monstrous size crowns the main turret, giving it an awareness area of several hundred kilometers. The highly sophisticated eyes, free to rotate in their nearly frictionless sockets, can see in a majority of the electromagnetic spectrum, and broadcast in some when illumination is needed. Incredibly, even echolocation finds its way onto the A7V, giving strange views around the corners of echoing cityscapes, as well as providing an extremely easy way to determine the location of hidden attackers by focusing on the disruption created by their weapons and tracing them back to their point of origin. Communication-wise, the Peacemaker is more than capable of coordinating a war effort; going into the details of it would be a waste of time, but suffice to say it can and often does serve as the main command station in a campaign. In the unlikely event the enemy has somehow jammed everything else, A7Vs are capable of deploying direct laser communication systems from the dome at the top of the main turret.

Logistics and Operating Structure: Keeping giant spiders fed is no easy task, though luckily not much extra help is needed in guarding the logistics unit that should accompany an A7V. Since it runs on He3, fuel is of no concern for nearly a decade at a time. Ammunition is fed into the machine via large loading doors on the sides, the entire rearming process taking only a few hours if a schedule is maintained. Breakdowns of large components are very uncommon thanks to the fantastic protection afforded by its armor, though should they actually occur they can be difficult to accomodate for in the field. A7Vs are designed to operate either solely, or in groups consisting of a small number of human guided units watching over a squad of purely AI driven machines. The human overseers are probably in the safest place on the battlefield: an A7V-C command unit's crew compartment is fully climated-controlled, NBC-proofed, and equipped with enough amenities to provide its occupants with relative comfort for weeks. Should a Peacemaker be knocked out of action, the recovery effort is almost as fantastic as the design itself. The enormous Peacemaker docks at Brettonian military bases are likely the single most obvious feature of any military establishment, both in the Brettonian homeland and abroad."

Visual Gallery

1. Walking over a city block (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-11.jpg)

2. Repelling enemy attacks from all directions (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-12.jpg)

3. Multiple eyes focusing on a single target (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-15.jpg)

4. Traversing an incline (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-16.jpg)

5. Closeup of a 172mm autocannon (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-17.jpg)

6. Railgun preparing to fire (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-18.jpg)

7. Railgun continuing to charge (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-20.jpg)

8. Railgun fully charged and ready to fire (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-19.jpg)

9. Closeup of the dual undercarriage 125mm vulcan guns (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-21.jpg)

10. Marching across a field. Note relative size of AC power lines (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-22.jpg)

11. Emerging from a body of water (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-29.jpg)

12. Dual 125mm antiaircraft guns in action (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-31.jpg)

13A. Looking around (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-9.jpg)

13B. It sees you (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-33.jpg)

14. Undercarriage vulcan guns unleashing some castigation (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-34.jpg)

15. Concentrating numerous guns to one side (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-7.jpg)

16. Single foot taking up an entire 4-lane road (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-8.jpg)

17. 360-degrees of vision (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-6.jpg)

18. Putting up a barrage (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-5.jpg)

19. This scale of machine can utilize a building as cover (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-4.jpg)

20. Main turret beginning to rotate (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-35.jpg)

21. Main turret at roughly 90-degrees of rotation (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/APPLESEED_PEACEMAKER_SE-32.jpg)

UPDATE: The Kingdom of Sileetris has delivered the final elements of the programme to our ample production facilities. As of now, the Peacemaker project is officially considered to be complete. Sileetris' log of the matter can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9691426&postcount=32).

A7 Peacemaker Total Programme Cost: J$40,000,000,000,000 (forty trillion jions)
A7V Peacemaker Unit Production Cost: J$21,000,000,000 (twenty-one billion jions)
A7V Peacemaker Unit Maintenence Cost, Annual: +/- J$3,500,000,000 (roughly three and a half billion jions)

As with all of the Technology of Peace™, we are fully open to export to any interested parties. Weapons demonstrations will be offered to potential buyers at agreed-upon locations.

No export price is set; total cost is fully negotiable. Please convert currency into jions before payment (current exchange rates can be found here (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=bretton)). Please contact us with any inquiries.

OOC: *Eyes widen* Future Tech, right? I have a few questions...even though my Nation is still running Steam Power...

How would you transport such a beast to the battlefield? You couldn't simply march it across your own territories, seeing as how it would cause a lot of damage to infrustructure. So I'm also assuming you have craft with the ability to carry so much weight?

How, in the event of one of the "tanks" being crippled, would you retrieve it from the Battlefield? Surely transporting a fit unit would be difficult enough...but what about one that's fumbling about with a couple of legs detatched?

Are there any anti-missile defenses for the Unit? It seems like the softest part of the unit is the most obvious: its joints. What's to stop a missile from pummeling it?

And, of course, what would be the maintainence costs of such a beast? Surely you'd have to have a large support group. Even more so to tend to the mass of AI, technicians to take care of the delicate computer systems?

These are just questions, I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers...hell, I can't even buy them, even if I had the budget. :P

OOC: Legitimate questions.

Firstly, on the issue of tech. I would not consider this to be either a modern or future tech weapon. Rather, it's something of a hybrid, or perhaps a "transitionary" weapon. Bubble Fusion Reactors, which Sileetris was so kind as to provide me with, are certainly future tech. On the other hand, a complete lack of energy weapons of any kind firmly put us in the modern tech period. It could be argued for both sides.

On the issue of moving such a fiend around, we've developed quite a behemoth for that.

PROBLEM: We've built a really big and really heavy tank.

SOLUTION: Build an even bigger airplane!

Brettonian Military Heavy-Lift Transport (http://malikcarr.250free.com/Peacemaker/venuswars008.jpg)

Don't let the props fool you: These suckers are large enough to carry not one but TWO A7Vs in their holds. With the legs folded up and around the main body, it's a simple premise of attaching the unit to a sled with a drag 'chute and letting it fly out the back. Larger parachutes would slow the fall, and a soft touch-down would be made possible by firing up the vertical thrust array some time before landing.

As far as recovery efforts go, I'd say they're pretty unlikely. It's virtually impossible to incapicitate an A7V without reducing it to its constituent atoms. Of course, mechanical breakdowns are always possible, no matter what tech period you are in (indefinately self-lubricating joints are a farce), so we've taken some precautions.

Imagine, if you will, an air-cushion craft about a city block in area. Bam.

You may remember Axis Nova's Admiral A-1 multi-turret heavy tank (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427507). The original design came from me; he, of course, had to spiff it up a bit. Personally, I think his DoD has got an unhealthy obsession with linear guns, but to each his own, I suppose. Anyway, the Admiral itself is a monster of horsepower on treads, so I've simply taken the liberty of converting some from the reserves into recovery units. In effect, they throw foot-wide cables around the disabled A7V and haul it onto the back of the aforementioned gigantic air-cushion sucker, which then slowly hovers back to friendly territory.

As far as support? Oh God, the expense is repugnant.

Then we must recall that my fair nation has allocated $57 trillion USD equivalent (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Bretton) for, among other things, preposterous contraptions like these.

"Let's show these maggots what a bloated, runaway military budget can do!"

Fine words of wisdom that I'm sticking to.

CONTINUE YOUR CRITICISMS

Multi legged tank? That's a multi-legged ground destroyer, not a tank. At this size, naval terms start making sense.

*Also fails to disbelieve armour strength, but nevermind*

OOC: Consider the term "tank" to represent its role on the battlefield, not necessarily any sort of comparison to a traditional MBT, or even a landship like the earlier-mentioned Admiral A-1.

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OOC: :eek: GOD DAMN! IT'S HUGE! *wonders if Bretton is compensating for something**
:eek:
:D
:p

*Comes for those comments about MT and PMT nation compensating for something when they build SDNs

That's actually the export version of the A-1, Bretton. Also, bubble fusion reactors are post modern, not future tech...

*reads the stats for this thing*

*gets to the weapons section*

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*continues to the defense section*

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*comes to the bit about the spider brains*

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OOC: :eek: GOD DAMN! IT'S HUGE! *wonders if Bretton is compensating for something**
:eek:
:D
:p

*Comes for those comments about MT and PMT nation compensating for something when they build SDNs

Super dreadnaughts are a waste of money and time.

Well, Super Dreadnoughts (why are they spelled with an "A," anyway?) as they exist now is a logical concept with a flawed implementation. The biggest sword and the thickest armor is only an acceptable principle in scenarios where an entire field of technology has -not- been devoted to breaching them.

The Peacemaker embodies a logic that I believe can be applied to future Super Dreadnought warships: take your giant sword and your heavy armor but still deny the enemy the chance to make the first strike.

Even the prototypical Super Dreadnought, Freethinkers' Doujin-class (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/DoujinBBCNsmall.jpg) has been sunk by small-yield nuclear weapons delivered inside its hull by hypervelocity missiles. And why is this? Because the vessel allows the enemy to make the first strike.

So, here's an idea, taken straight from a GONZO production: make a battleship that can travel underwater! BRILLIANT!

The United States' and Soviet Union's biggest Cold War trump card were submarines. They could be anywhere at any point, and each carried a plethora of nuclear arms capable of devastating numerous targets. It wasn't their amazing destructive power, but their inability to be tracked, that made them so frightening.

So apply the same principle to a Super Dreadnought. Give it as many guns of as many types as you like. The ship will have a smooth, streamlined hull that gives a very small sonar signature, and also allows it to travel underwater at relatively high speed. Once you've reached your bombardment range, the ship surfaces, its guns deploy, and the annihilation commences. By the time the enemy has scrambled a force with the prerequisite nuclear weapons that would otherwise sink or disable a traditional Super Dreadnought, you've already submerged and scuttled away.

There's no question that a Super Dreadnought makes a potent psychological weapon, but something that is so obvious cannot succeed as long as the enemy has first-strike capability.

The A7V embodies this principle by having a highly effective and multi-layered defensive scheme to defeat all varieties of attacks at various levels.

To deny the enemy first-strike capability, the A7V can detect virtually anything posing a threat to itself and deal with it before it has a chance to carry out its attack. Then, for those that are either out of detection range (e.g. orbital) or are able to operate their weapon systems before they are destroyed, the Peacemaker has a comprehensive yet simple procedure to deal with:

What it can't confuse it steals. What it can't steal it destroys. What it can't destroy it avoids. What it can't avoid can be defeated by one or more of the above.

By denying the enemy first-strike capability, yet still being fully capable of effectively knocking out offensive weapon systems that have already been engaged, the Peacemaker has the pefect "shield"; that is, one that may not be necessary to use at all.

Of course, I make no claims to the Peacemaker being able to thwart nuclear weapon systems, but I've always insisted that there's nothing tactical about a nuclear weapon: Simply put, if you use a nuclear weapon in a tactical sense, what's stopping me from using them in a strategic sense? Don't give the enemy the excuse; everyone will be happier at the end of the day.


...hmm. Submersible Super Dreadnought... this may warrant an investigation!

IC: In other news, our analysts should have final numbers on the Peacemaker's programme and per-unit production costs. Once this has been achieved, we will be happy to export. At Brettonian Military Industries, our primary directive is to eliminate costly and bloody warfare by the complete worldwide dissemination of The Technology of Peace(tm). After all, the best wars are wars that are not fought.

FEARLESS LEADER IS TRUTH!!

- Brettonian Military Industries
The Technology of Peace(tm)

Reminded me of the Spider machine thingy's from the Matrix Cartoon thing that they show once in awhile on Adult Swim at 12:00am. Very nice, I like it alot.

I love the visual gallery.

Well, Super Dreadnoughts (why are they spelled with an "A," anyway?) <Strategic Engagement Unit Dreadnaughty> I was always wondering the same...

Oh, and while we're at it, active sonar has been developed a while ago... A submersible SD (Or BB, or cruiser, or whatever) is neat when it comes to dodging missilespam, but it can be detected, it can be attacked, and it has to pay a price in efficiency. A submersible ship simply cannot do the job of a pure surface vessel with the same amount of efficiency (Assuming similar material expenditure).

Last but not least, your fantasies about first strike denial are... Merely amusing. Not really something to be taken serious, mind.

Firstly, on the issue of tech. I would not consider this to be either a modern or future tech weapon. Rather, it's something of a hybrid, or perhaps a "transitionary" weapon. Bubble Fusion Reactors, which Sileetris was so kind as to provide me with, are certainly future tech. On the other hand, a complete lack of energy weapons of any kind firmly put us in the modern tech period. It could be argued for both sides.


Why is that it can't be classified as an FT weapon just because it doesn't use beam weaponry? I'm PMT-FT tech and I use a mix of both; heck when I was full FT I still had some weapons that required good ole fashioned lead for ammo.

So you can't base its tech on the weapon itself, rather in which tech the rp'er chooses to use it in. meaning that if a MT nation really wants to use an Abram MBT in a ft battle, they can....no stopping them.

OOC: that looks strangley like one of the drawings newspapers made before the 'tank' was revealed in ww1...

OOC: Except it has notes written in Kanji.

Also theres the fact that the link says: appleseed.jpg, leading me to believe the esteemed Breton here got this pick from some site that was concerning the anime movie AppleSeed, a very good movie that I have been planning to buy for a while, but haven't found the time.

OOC: OMG Why does that seem looks so familiar, I can't put my finger on it.
I have three words to describe it though:

Really...



Big...



Vehicle...

Also theres the fact that the link says: appleseed.jpg, leading me to believe the esteemed Breton here got this pick from some site that was concerning the anime movie AppleSeed, a very good movie that I have been planning to buy for a while, but haven't found the time.

OOC: DING! You are correct, sir! That would be from Masamune Shirow's new remade Appleseed film. And I tell you, for all his mechanical designs, I want to have his manbabies. The man is a genius.

I'm suprised the usual horde of mecha nay-sayers in II hasn't descended on this thread yet. o_o

Though I welcome constructive criticism, I'm kinda thankful too.

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OOC: DING! You are correct, sir! That would be from Masamune Shirow's new remade Appleseed film. And I tell you, for all his mechanical designs, I want to have his manbabies. The man is a genius.
Soon as I saw that first immage I knew it was AppleSeed (2004) not that mockery from '89. Anyways that thing is just beggin for a bombing though it is a extremly potent psycological weapon if used correctly.
Though the MFs from AppleSeed had a nasty weakness when a direct hit to the joint occured from a extremly high calibur weapon.
Ok so hypotheticly lets say that the Peacemaker took nigh direct hit from a power armor like unit with a high calibur weapon (like the one Bre used to destroy a MFs leg joint) and it lost use of that leg (or legs).
How effective would the unit remain?


Other than that little question nice work.

As with any legged vehicle, the legs are always a weak point. I've taken great precautions in defense to enable the Peacemaker to deal with most threats before they can cause damage, and even assuming they make contact, the Peacemaker's armor is nearly impregnable.

However, nothing is invincible; the best you can do is come close.

In the case of a Peacemaker's leg becoming disabled, it would switch over to its vertical thrust system (consider the original spider tank from the first Appleseed movie) and depending on the situation, would (A) proceed by hovering, or (B) withdraw from combat for in-field repair. It would mostly be contingent on how stiff enemy resistance was, how many other Peacemakers were in the field at the time, and how close forward support units are.

Well as to FT/MT classification it isn't really either, it Anime Tech which seems to exist in it's own little universe where coolness has priority over physics (not that there is anything wrong with that).

As to actualy weights and things, well with this carrying more fire power than most cruisers i really don't think that 4100tons is going to cut it somehow, what with your main gun and its assiocited mountings and power supply esily passing the 1000ton mark (the gun barrel itself will be in the 500ton region) you really don't have much room for armor or other weapons once you get all your motive stuff packed in.

ONe question:- How much?

Strathdonia: I am always open to such criticisms. Sileetris, who designed the thing for me, came out to this weight. If you believe this is inappropriate, I'd be happy to hear out what you feel is a more appropriate sum and we'll discuss it with Sileetris next time I see the guy.

Spizania: Well, we're not exactly sure yet. Again, this is contingent on my designer getting back to me. Rest assured, I don't intend to deprive other nations of this beautiful machine, as some less-interesting people have done in the past. Keep checking back here for further details.

Well as to FT/MT classification it isn't really either, it Anime Tech which seems to exist in it's own little universe where coolness has priority over physics (not that there is anything wrong with that).

As to actualy weights and things, well with this carrying more fire power than most cruisers i really don't think that 4100tons is going to cut it somehow, what with your main gun and its assiocited mountings and power supply esily passing the 1000ton mark (the gun barrel itself will be in the 500ton region) you really don't have much room for armor or other weapons once you get all your motive stuff packed in.

Do you actually have any basis for these numbers?

Do you actually have any basis for these numbers?

Just very vague extrapolations from the Japanese 20" guns which weighted in 230tons each (the twin turret mounting totaled 2300tons or so). Yes a 30" rail gun barrel might be proportionally a bit lighter than a 30" conventional gun barrel but based on some very rough calculations a 30"/45 cal gun would be in the 800-900ton region so based on my limited knowledge of rail guns 50-60% of that sounds about right. As for the mounting i realise that it would never be as heavy as a battleship turret (general rule for those seems to indicate about 8-10x the weight of the gun) but double the weight of the gun wouldn't seem far off esspecially when you start including capcitors etc.

Of course all my assumptions may be totally wrong and for all i know a rail gun barrel may mass a mere 10% of an equivelently sized conventional gun.

On the weight; I've decided to basically make the 4100 the dry, and the new max as 6400.

Excerpt from Developer Logs:

Finally, testing is complete after an 8 year cycle that I for one will never forget... We watched the final combat testing videos early this morning and I'm relieved to say all the flaws have been hammered out between Weebl and Bob, and our poor mock-up city Roflopolis can finally be allowed to settle in its ashes. Controversy, however has come up in our finding that somehow the target location database was hacked during the trial by one of the units, a profound statement considering it was a closed network. Careful review has shown that one of the APC drones was hacked very early on by the unmanned prototype Bob, and sent out of the target course to the computer bunker where it proceeded to interact with the database via a maintenance direct IR port. We believe the results of the test are still valid though, as the knowledge returned to Bob made little difference in the ensuing chaotic flee for shelter most of the targets began. Actual damage to the city, it should be noted, was minimal (by our test standards), although thousands of windows were blown out from explosive pressure waves. Both units intelligently navigated their surroundings without any mis-steps, and neither of them fell into the 'grand central pit-trap' subway hub as one earlier prototype did... Our work is by no means complete however, as the development team now shifts towards figuring out how to produce units on industrial scales.

Its been 1 year and 4 months, and we are approaching the end of the production and implementation phase that will cap the project. For the record, over the course of these 9 (10 if you count initial business dealings) years, we have spent close to J$40 trillion (equiv ~$60t USD). Of this, J$10 trillion went to research budgets and computing fees, J$20 trillion to the construction and repeated reconstructions of test grounds and AI targets, and J$10 trillion to the construction of factory facilities and the prototype units themselves. With this last phase, we have streamlined the cost of producing a unit to a relatively slim J$21 billion($30b USD), although we don't know how much they will actually be sold for, my personal guess is some type of negotiable fee. The maintenance costs must be taken into deep consideration though, being almost J$3.5 billion per year or more should signifigant damages be accrued in combat. We have found that while this price is extremely high for a single unit of anything, the incredible power they command makes them fiendishly difficult to destroy; even with comparable funds spent on conventional units, the problems posed by concentrating them enough not to be overwhelmed are enormous. Manpower wise, the casualty ratio for any encounter with A7V units will be tremendously unbalanced... If you want my honest opinion, I believe we have created monsters........

Nice war machine. I remember watching the Matrix, and it had some pretty kick-ass machines in flashbacks- I think the flashbacks were in the 3rd Matrix movie. Also those machines came to life to attack the Nebeduczzar hover plane when it tried to get to Machine City.

UPDATE: To those viewing for the final production, it is now completed. Check the first post for final numbers and the like. Brettonian Military Industries looks forward to your business!

bump

We would like to negotiate the purchase of one of these magnificent machines.

Brettonian Military Industries is always open for business. Will that be a manned command unit or one of the normal AI units?

Bump to try and reacquire my contract? -____-

an AI unit please ( i can only afford one), is that 21bn dollars?

Affirmative; the command units are slightly more expensive due to the more powerful communications arrays and the crew accomodations. Anyway, the total is twenty-one billion jions for the unit. I'll be looking forward to further business from you in the future!

bumpo

bump, dammit!

Have my sales pitches really become this pathetic? x_x

Super Dreadnought... this may warrant an investigation!


Already been done. Me and Praetonia are currently developing them. (Although the project will die due to Der Angst's points)

OOC: Der Angst hates everything and everyone, as far as I can tell. Please continue about this submersible SDN concept you and the right honorable Praetonia are tinkering with.

OOC: Der Angst hates everything and everyone, as far as I can tell.

While DA might not be the most polite of posters, he can generally justifiy any criticisms with numbers / theory. You'd do well to not write him off so quickly, young padawan. You'd also do well not to bait him.

While DA might not be the most polite of posters, he can generally justifiy any criticisms with numbers / theory. You'd do well to not write him off so quickly, young padawan. You'd also do well not to bait him.

How can he bait someone not posting in the thread?

How can he bait someone not posting in the thread?Well, as I did post on page one...

Though it's hardly a bait, given that Hogsweatia/ Praetonia are rather convinced of what Hogsweatia said to begin with (More so than I am, actually), and I really didn't have any influence on that point of view (In fact, I kinda sort-of-defended submersible battleships. A little. Just a wee bit). Given that, I found Bretton's comment kinda hilarious.

Hmmm... I prefer to avoid threads Der Angst is on as a general rule, simply because I dont find it enjoyable to discuss things with him. But anyway... the SSDN... it is primarily designed to be able to dodge missiles, come to the surface and fire its guns and then run away very quickly. OOCly, it's a bit of a joke... I built it with Hoggie (and will continue the project now that Hoggie has a new nation) laregly because I wanted a military project that wasnt a ZOMFG roaring success, but I dont think the concept is completely useless. You have to be quite close to spot a submerged craft, and missiles, ASW helicopters etc dont travel at the speed of light, so you have a decent amount of time to run away and a decent amount of armour to stop the odd hit that gets through. It also has 90" torpedo tubes for which we are developing a 90" nuclear powered torpedo (a remotely guided suicide sub, basically) which is designed to dive to very deep depths and then come up under an enemy fleet or SD. It might work, it might not... it depends how it plays out in an RP... but regarldess of whether it's amazing, mediocre or a waste of money, it adds to the rich fabric of my nation's background story.

Heheh, that's a pretty interesting concept... I'd like to see where it goes.

About Der Angst, I haven't got anything personal here, but I didn't really get a very good impression what with my works being considered "fantasies" and "merely amusing" and "not to be taken seriously." That was rough.

Communique, Axis Nova Special Projects Office

Greetings, Brettonian comrades! We wish to purchase 250 of these fine machines, maintaining the usual commander to remote unit ratio.

Of course, we are always pleased to do business with an honored comrade.

We will sell for the bargain price of J$23 billion per unit, at the current exchange rate of J$1 = NS$1.6052.

That would bring us to a rounded-off grand total of J$5,750,000,000,000 (five trillion seven hundred-fifty billion jions).

We look forward to future business prospects.

bump; haven't sold any of these in a while, maybe some fresh blood will come along and take a look.

Official Request from the Allanean Military

Give us ten of these.

Brettonian Military Industries looks forward to a mutually profitable relationship in the future with the Allanean armed forces.

We have consulted our manufacturers, and will be glad to offer you the ten proscribed A7V units for a cost of J$23.2 billion each, which will come to a grand total of J$232 billion. Please take into account current exchange rates before transferring your payment.

Your request has been earmarked; you may expect delivery by the 15th.

We sincerely hope you will have as much satisfaction with your purchase of the Technology of Peace™ as we had in constructing it.

I buy one, if I had 56 trillion more dollars.

I buy one, if I had 56 trillion more dollars.

OOC: Well, that's what you get for your debunked socialist economic designs. Drop your tax rate to around 80%, and either pump up your Civil Rights or Political Freedoms; either one is good. You should be competitive within a few weeks.

Are you kidding. I'm not socialist. I've been giving corps a lot of slack. My currency has an exchange rate of 1.5 Erubles to one dollar. I think I'm just way too small. Awesome tank though.

The Technocracy of Sharina is interested in Bretton's A7V Peacemaker Tank design. We are curious whether it will be possible to develop Sharina's own version with Bretton aid? We are prepared to pay roughly J$40 trillion over four years for such a project.

Please inform us whether such a deal is possible.

OOC: Sorry this is a crummy order post, but I have to hit the sack.

IC:

Despire our conflicts in the past, we would like to order fourty Peacemakers. Money will be wired upon confirmation of order.

-The Infinite Crucible

OOC: S'cool, you can make up for it later.

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Brettonian Military Industries is always willing to put the past behind us in our quest to end warfare via the worldwide dissemination of The Technology of Peace™.

We shall queue up your request presently; assuming all transactions proceed without fail, you may expect delivery within the month.

All payments are to be made in jions; please keep current exchange rates (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=Bretton) in mind when wiring your payment.

Thank you for your business; we look forward to a mutually profitable business relationship for the both of us.

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The Technocracy of Sharina is interested in Bretton's A7V Peacemaker Tank design. We are curious whether it will be possible to develop Sharina's own version with Bretton aid? We are prepared to pay roughly J$40 trillion over four years for such a project.

Please inform us whether such a deal is possible.

OOC: Sorry, I must've missed this. My apologies.

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While we cannot guarantee anything at this point, Brettonian Military Industries would be interested in seeing what prospective modifications and revamping the Technocracy would suggest for our posterchild of The Technology of Peace™. Get back to us at your earliest convenience.