NationStates Jolt Archive

Discussions over the previous year and now urgent events leads the US to send the Secretary of State, Bainbridge Colby, to London with instructions to create a firm alliance against the growing threat of Socialist Germany and its allies.

US proposal
Member states: Great Britain*, United States*, Canada, Australia*, New Zealand, South Africa*, Colombia*, Argentina*, Chile*, France*, Italy*, Morocco, Siam, Japan*, Netherlands, Belgium*, Burgundy*, Uruguay

(ooc *means a player country)

That war on one country is considered war with all, and mutual defense policy. However, if a LTA member nation starts the war, the member nations may chose not to participate.

Reduction or elimination of tariffs among the member nations.

Mutual basing agreements

Nations with smaller defense budgets can get assistance from nations with larger budgets as far as weapons and equipment are concerned, and training as well.

Unofficially, the Union of South Africa is interested in this alliance. Officially, we'll see what Britain says before doing anything.

Italy is very interested in this alliance and has sent a representative. King Umberto II and Prime Minister Giolotti (sp?) have stated that they wish to visit London, so that any agreement can be personally signed by them. It has also been reported that several leading senators are wishing to visit London. (OOC: The reason for so many representatives and such is not connected with this treaty. I'm actually gonna have them attempt an Italian version of the Constitutional Convention, and the treaty provides some secrecy. It would be great, I think, for these guys to come back with a constitution and a treaty of alliance)

OOC:

After reading this thread, and as the Supreme Chief Moderator of E20, I'd like to ask GB and the London Alliance members one very important question. How or what should we do with the NPC countries? These countries aren't controlled by a player, which means they can't really interact with the E20 players, or adapt as well to changing conditions as E20 player controlled nations can.

The NPC nations we need to resolve for...

Canada, New Zealand, Morocco, Siam, Netherlands, and Uruguay.

For all we know, Morocco, Siam, Netherlands, and Uruguay might go communist, side with Germany, Russia, or Brazil (especially Uruguay being next to Brazil), or something opposite to the London Alliance's ideals. This is the problem with including NPC countries in PC-led alliances and treaties.

Russia objects in principle to the invitation of the specifically neutral states of the Netherlands, Belgium, and Burgundy. You should be ashamed of yourselves for attempting to militarize countries whose very existence is predicated upon continued peace.

OoC: And the Netherlands is a player country.

Message from the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Albania's Vice President, Fan S. Noli, will be sent to London to attend the conference.

OOC: Vas Pokhoronim, the player playing holland was deleted due to inactivity.

Colombia will gladly attend and become a member of this Treaty Alliance.

Message from the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Albania's Vice President, Fan S. Noli, will be sent to London to attend the conference.

OOC: Vas Pokhoronim, the player playing holland was deleted due to inactivity.
OoC: Amestria, Vas Pokhoronim decides who's deleted and who's not. Check the Main Post.

IC
If Albania goes, Albania goes. I will not permit an open enemy in the Balkans. I don't know how much clearer I can make that. Back off, already, or be destroyed. NOW.

OoC: And the Netherlands is a player country.

True- however he hasn't RP'ed in a long time, though. He's ---Zeon--- IIRC, and I haven't seen him RP anything since he asked for Netherlands. I may be wrong, though.

True- however he hasn't RP'ed in a long time, though. He's ---Zeon--- IIRC, and I haven't seen him RP anything since he asked for Netherlands. I may be wrong, though.
No, he hasn't RP'd anything but he's been in communication with me by TG. Believe me, I'm not reluctant to delete people.

ooc
well, actually I hadn't planned on there being a conference so much as the US is approaching nations... but my fault for not specifying so if the British say there is a conference, there is a conference (chuckle)

as to the NPC nations, I think that Vas should decide who joins in. Bottom line, my view is that the Dutch likely will consider it, just to ensure no greedy sorts grab the Dutch East Indies, but on the other hand, they are very vulnerable to the Germans. Easiest way to determine it, use random roll or have them go the way the Belgians do. Siam is likely to go the way the British want them to, as they would be worried about the sudden Chinese presense on their border in Cambodia. Paraguay would probably go the way the Argentina and Chile go. Canada and New Zealand definitely follow Britain and the other Dominions.

Morocco, well between France and the US, we can probably persuade them.

incidently, the US is against bringing in Albania, as it would be provactive, and for that matter, Albania is indefensable by the Alliance..

now Norway and Sweden would be different, but they are unlikely to join an alliance at this time.

OoC: Amestria, Vas Pokhoronim decides who's deleted and who's not. Check the Main Post you pompous twit.

IC
If Albania goes, Albania goes. I will not permit an open enemy in the Balkans. I don't know how much clearer I can make that. Back off, already, or be destroyed. NOW.

OOC: Someone told me the nation had been deleted from NationStates, so maybe I was wrong... If you know better then good for you :)

IC: Albania is simply sending a delegate and even if we agree to join the alliance it would not be a change in policy. Albania has a mutual defense treaty already with Italy and the Italians have helped supply the Albanian Self Defense Army. We were mainly attracted by the prospects of Free Trade, which would benefit Albania's economy; however the constant Russian threats warning us to submit or be "destroyed", simply reenforce our present view of that country.

Note: The Albanian government sends a secret note to the Russian Government (OOC:Vas Pokhoronim check your telegram).

incidently, the US is against bringing in Albania, as it would be provactive, and for that matter, Albania is indefensable by the Alliance..


That is not for the U.S. to decide for itself!

Message from the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

For reasons completely unrelated to the Russian threats Albania will not be sending a delegate to London. Nor will Albania see a reason to sign the treaty.

That is not for the U.S. to decide for itself!

nevertheless, the US can state its position, which has just been reinforced

nevertheless, the US can state its position, which has just been reinforced

And it no longer matters as Albania no longer has an interest in joining this treaty!

France responds with caution, stating that they are interested but also noting that teh UNited States does not have communist nations on their doorstep to worry about keeping in good diplomatic graces.

France responds with caution, stating that they are interested but also noting that teh UNited States does not have communist nations on their doorstep to worry about keeping in good diplomatic graces.

The United States certainly understands the caution. However, the Germans appear to be knocking on the door of the US as it is. What guarantees does France need to assure it that it has the support of the United States?

Argentina would normally rather sell their mother into prostitution than sign an alliance with America, but the prospect of standing united with Great Britain and Japan are too great of a benefit to ignore. It does also occur to President Sanfuentes that such a treaty is all but redundant anyway, with the two treaties Argentina has already signed, but interest remains.

Argentina's chief diplomat in Britain, Miguel Garuda Mellon, will be representing Argentina in various discussions in the comming days. He seeks removal of the mutual baseing arrangement in at least Argentina and Urugauy, if not all together. Private treaties, he reasons, should be sufficient to cover such things.

OOC: Also, Uruguay is very heavily influenced by Argentina, more so than Brazil (since Uruguay is a Spanish speaking nation, rather than a Portuguise speaking one). I'd suggest that if Argentina joins, Uruguay is very likely to join as well, but it remains possible that they are going Red as well.

Telegram From Chaim Weizmann to America

Would it be possible for the small nation of Zion to join in this confrence?

Britain will readily sign this treaty. She also leans on Siam to "persuade" them that such an agreement is necessary (it's good to have a buffer zone next to a potential enemy!). Britain also advises the Netherlands that it would be beneficial if she were to sign.

France has the guarantee of Britain that she will be supported in any coming conflict, I am sure that the US will likelwise reassure you. But we are close neighbours and I promise that the French people will not be abadoned by my nation nor this alliance.

Britain agrees that it is best not to invite any Balkans nations as they are very indefensible and are hardly military powers. It is better that we keep this as an alliance.

On economic terms, whilst Britain is willing to reduce foreign trade tariffs slightly (say by 50%) she is concerned as to the effect of opening her lands up to cheap goods from abroad and the loss of tax money.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Grand Duchy of Burgundy finds itself unable to participate in this Treaty. We cannot remain a beacon of peace, nor stay true to the very reasons our state was founded, if we play a part in this Conference.

Respectfully,

After reassurances from both the British and the Americans the French representative agrees to become part of London Alliance. He signs and then looks upwards, and mutters, "It is done."

OOC: As a side note, I as a player, applaud Burgundy's efforts to remain neutral. I would also press to ensure that Belgium remain neutral as it shares borders with France and Germany and thus could become a gateway for either of us should a war begin. Also, Germany would be VERY angered if the Netherlands allowed any of the signatories to have bases in their territory.

Italy will also sign this treaty.

OOC:

The only way that I can see the NPC countries agreeing or not agreeing to the London Alliance is if a player RP's them. What we need is a player whose nation is not affliated with the London Alliance, or the nations the London Alliance seeks to defend aganist.

This is because we need to give the NPC countries a chance to accept bribes, perusasion, or engage in interactive diplomacy. We can't simply say "NPC Nation X and Y agrees with the London Treaty and signs it. NPC Nation Z doesn't sign the London Treaty. That's all.".

Hope I made sense. :)

OOC:

The only way that I can see the NPC countries agreeing or not agreeing to the London Alliance is if a player RP's them. What we need is a player whose nation is not affliated with the London Alliance, or the nations the London Alliance seeks to defend aganist.

This is because we need to give the NPC countries a chance to accept bribes, perusasion, or engage in interactive diplomacy. We can't simply say "NPC Nation X and Y agrees with the London Treaty and signs it. NPC Nation Z doesn't sign the London Treaty. That's all.".

Hope I made sense. :)

ooc
while normally I would agree with you, the pace of this RP makes that difficult to pull of, as effective monday it will be 1922. Sometimes we just have to referee it, and as I am involved and so is Vas, that falls to you.

ooc
while normally I would agree with you, the pace of this RP makes that difficult to pull of, as effective monday it will be 1922. Sometimes we just have to referee it, and as I am involved and so is Vas, that falls to you.


OOC:

Here's what I propose.

If no "neutral" player is found by Sunday to RP these NPC nations stances regarding the London Alliance, then these NPC nations are no longer considered part of the Alliance (consider them withdrawn from the talks).

However, if players do come in and start RP'ing these NPC nations next week or whenever, they can look up this London Alliance, and sign onto it. I believe a similiar thing happened with the Pan-American Treaty. What I mean by this is that suppose someone decides to take up control of, say, Netherlands, then he / she can choose to sign the London Alliance in 1922, 1923, 1924 or so.

Hopefully this will be a fair compromise for all involved. :)

OOC:

Here's what I propose.

If no "neutral" player is found by Sunday to RP these NPC nations stances regarding the London Alliance, then these NPC nations are no longer considered part of the Alliance (consider them withdrawn from the talks).

However, if players do come in and start RP'ing these NPC nations next week or whenever, they can look up this London Alliance, and sign onto it. I believe a similiar thing happened with the Pan-American Treaty. What I mean by this is that suppose someone decides to take up control of, say, Netherlands, then he / she can choose to sign the London Alliance in 1922, 1923, 1924 or so.

Hopefully this will be a fair compromise for all involved. :)


who specifically are you considering as neutral... Canada and New Zealand historically always followed Britians lead on foreign affairs, even if relectuantly, until the 1980s or later. Now I can see the Netherlands and Uruguay in your example, but not the Dominions. Siam only exists at this point because the French and British allow it to. Argentina made a good case for Uruguay following his lead though. The US has already approached Morocco, so that one is up in the air at the moment, although I believe Vas and you came to a consensus at some point on that one.

who specifically are you considering as neutral... Canada and New Zealand historically always followed Britians lead on foreign affairs, even if relectuantly, until the 1980s or later. Now I can see the Netherlands and Uruguay in your example, but not the Dominions. Siam only exists at this point because the French and British allow it to. Argentina made a good case for Uruguay following his lead though. The US has already approached Morocco, so that one is up in the air at the moment, although I believe Vas and you came to a consensus at some point on that one.

OOC:

I can see Canada and New Zealand following Lesser Ribenia's lead as Britain.

The others, I'm not so sure about (Netherlands, Uruguay, Siam, Morocco, etc.) as they aren't quite anyone's colony or "dominion" like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Cuba, etc. are like. Those non-colony or non-dominion nations are what I'd term as neutral as what I defined in my post above yours. Hope that clears up stuff a bit. :)

Hopefully this will be the last of the OOC clutter filling up this conference thread. Any more OOC chatter should be taken to the E20 OOC thread.

Japan will be sending a Delegate to these Treaty Talks.

Japan would like to know what "Mutual Basing Agreements" Means.

::The following is sent via runner to all the delegates attending the London Alliance Negotiations::

Miguel Garuda Mellon regrets to inform everyone that Argentina will be pulling out of the talks. Argentina cannot support the US's occupation of Venezuela, and will not sign any treaty that will place Argentina in the possition of defending the US.

Argentina will continue to honor it's treaties with it's friends, and those nations that do not invade other nations without provocation.

Japan would like to know what "Mutual Basing Agreements" Means.

Example: US warships can refuel at Japanese naval bases and vice versa

::The following is sent via runner to all the delegates attending the London Alliance Negotiations::

Miguel Garuda Mellon regrets to inform everyone that Argentina will be pulling out of the talks. Argentina cannot support the US's occupation of Venezuela, and will not sign any treaty that will place Argentina in the possition of defending the US.

Argentina will continue to honor it's treaties with it's friends, and those nations that do not invade other nations without provocation.

The United States regrets the withdrawal of Argentina, but reminds that nation that the US was responding to a second major effort by Germany in 20 years to make Venezuela a colony, and only the threat of military action caused it to back off, and officially, Germany (ooc I havent seen anything regarding this but I will edit if there is something) has not indicated that it was backing down. The US saw no choice but to ensure that Venezuela could not become a de facto colony of Germany.

As for violating Venezuala's soveriegnity, it surrendered its rights in that regard in our eyes when it chose to accept procterate status from Germany.

Japan will be sending a Delegate to these Treaty Talks.
Our Non-Aggression Pact is still in effect, just to remind you. We certainly haven't done anything to offend you.

(ooc I havent seen anything regarding this but I will edit if there is something)

(OOC: here

Parthini']Germany will agree to withdraw protectorate status of Venezuela as it is recognized that that action was illegal according to the Warsaw Pact. Germany will also discontinue placement of German dissedents in Venezuela. However, Germany will not direct where they go, and should they arrive in Venezuela, that will be of no consequence to Germany.

However, American airplanes are not welcome in the Azores and will be declared hostile if they are within Azorean airspace.

that i believe is Germany's last post on withdrawing, though i may need a keener eye go over the entire of page three of the Venezuelan crisis)

The French Representative recieves word from Paris: France will be withdrawing from the London Treaty. He informs the other delegates with the following speech:

"Gentlemen, as you know just last year the Socialist Party was overwhelmingly voted into power. I have been asked by Parliament and Prime Minster Blum to inform you that France cannot stand in an military alliance with a nation that blatantly invades soverign nations with total disregard for international diplomacy. We must note that a nation has a right to choose wether or not the ywill becoem a protectorate of another nation. It is with regret that I must inform you that France is withdrawing from the London Alliance. However, we hope we can remain on good terms with you all and I can inform you that we will continue to respect and honor all other treaties we have signed with you. I bid you good day, gentlemen."

Example: US warships can refuel at Japanese naval bases and vice versa


Agreed there, but I remind you that there will be no descration of japanese Soveirngty by permanent basing of Foreign troops in our territory

Our Non-Aggression Pact is still in effect, just to remind you. We certainly haven't done anything to offend you.

that it is and that you have not, but you bring in germany which has done much to offend Japan and has evened convinced Japan to withdrawl of an alliance with one of our oldest Allies. China.

And as you merge we wonder when you will be looking East instead of west and south.

that it is and that you have not, but you bring in germany which has done much to offend Japan and has evened convinced Japan to withdrawl of an alliance with one of our oldest Allies. China.

And as you merge we wonder when you will be looking East instead of west and south.
Are you withdrawing from our Treaty, then? Post in my Thread, so we can stop cluttering up this one.

ooc
just to check

formal members of the Alliance: USA, Colombia, Japan, Britian, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Chile (I think)

questionable although signed the treaty: France (reminds me of NATO)

considered for membership: Italy, Netherlands, Belgium

turned down membership: Argentina, Burgundy

welcome to apply (from American perspective): Siam, Uruguay, Peru, Ecuador, Mexico, remainder of Central America and Caribbean (Haiti, Cuba, Santa Domingo being actually independent at this point)

Italy, with calls from the United States, hereby signs the Treaty bringing it into the LTA (OOC: assuming their is not some diplomatic protocal that I have not picked up on).

Ecuador want to become a LTA member. The Second Great War has shown us the light.

Britain fully supports the inclusion of Ecuador into the London Treaty Alliance.

New Zion would also like to join into this powerful alliance.

The Chilean Congress has ratified the London Treaty.

Memo to U.K: Contact Chilean Navy regarding operations in the South Pacific in the vicinity of Gambier Islands, French Polynesia.

The Chilean Congress has ratified the London Treaty.

Memo to U.K: Contact Chilean Navy regarding operations in the South Pacific in the vicinity of Gambier Islands, French Polynesia.

actually the US bought French Polynesia back in 1906 during the Great War

the US is ok with the Ecuador and New Zion joining the LTA (as long as Argentina is ok with New Zion joining the LTA)

OOC: OK. Ignore the previous post re: French Polynesia.
IC: The Chilean Navy will expand convoy operations coastward to the limits of United States waters.

the US is ok with the Ecuador and New Zion joining the LTA (as long as Argentina is ok with New Zion joining the LTA)

OOC:

Didn't the USA have problems with Ecaudor a while back in our timeline? I recall the USA had problems with one or two other South American nations other than Brazil and Venezeula. :confused:

Argentina is OK with Zion joining, as long as Argentina is allowed in as well. We figure it's little more than a formality at this point, but formalities are still important.

ooc
the US would be fine with Argentina joining at this point (the enemy of my enemy is my friend philosophy), and yes, the US had to warn Ecuador as did Colombia. But expediency is more important at this point.

The new government of Spain has condemned the former government as warmongering and anti-democratic. The Peoples Republic of Spain hereby proclaims its disdain of the Warsaw Pact and wishes to join the London Treaty Alliance. We hope that our former belligerence can be forgotten and forgiven as the poeple hve seen the way and elected a truely democratic and free government.

The United States is willing to approve membership, as long as the other member states (ooc, the players behind Britain, Australia and Colombia) are ok with it

Britain will support the inclusion of Spain into the LTA.

The United States is willing to approve membership, as long as the other member states (ooc, the players behind Britain, Australia and Colombia) are ok with it

OoC:
If the US brings Spain into the LTA, there will be problems. The Americans went to war to keep Spain out of the Pact - the lack of respect that Washington shows us in return will not be taken kindly.

IC
Warsaw strongly objects to the inclusion of yet another Continental state in this bellicose alliance. This would be in direct violation of Article 2 of the Hague Treaty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9901626&postcount=104), and thus would further fatally violate the Charter of the League of Nations. If the United States and its associates continue down this path, the work we have tried to put into building a more peaceful world will clearly have been for naught, and through no fault of our own.

The United States is willing to approve membership, as long as the other member states (ooc, the players behind Britain, Australia and Colombia) are ok with it

OOC: Why do I always get left out? Meh.

IC:
The Union of South Africa supports in theory the entrance of Spain into the London Treaty Alliance, but questions the wisdom of doing so in violation of the Hague Treaty.

OoC:
If the US brings Spain into the LTA, there will be problems. The Americans went to war to keep Spain out of the Pact - the lack of respect that Washington shows us in return will not be taken kindly.

IC
Warsaw strongly objects to the inclusion of yet another Continental state in this bellicose alliance. This would be in direct violation of Article 2 of the Hague Treaty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9901626&postcount=104), and thus would further fatally violate the Charter of the League of Nations. If the United States and its associates continue down this path, the work we have tried to put into building a more peaceful world will clearly have been for naught, and through no fault of our own.

The US notes the Union objection, and also notes the probable Russian violation of article 11 during the recent Chinese Civil War, and that the Union is very close to violating the very same article it cites with maneuvers held in France involving Union troops, and also notes that in practice the Pact made no objection when Burgundy and Belgium joined the LTA a number of years ago.

The US notes the Union objection, and also notes the probable Russian violation of article 11 during the recent Chinese Civil War, and that the Union is very close to violating the very same article it cites with maneuvers held in France involving Union troops, and also notes that in practice the Pact made no objection when Burgundy and Belgium joined the LTA a number of years ago.
Warsaw simply reiterates its objection without acknowledging any of the American responses, stating that the only possible honorable answer is for the United States to honor its treaty obligations.

We are not going to compromise on this.

The Third Republic of France raises a loud objection, pointing out that it would leave France literally surrounded by LTA nations and potentially be destabilizing a nuetral France. The French government also points out that France was prevented from rejoining the Warsaw Pact only a few years ago under the same treaty that the Americans now seem to be conviently ignoring.

In Paris, large groups of pro-Soviet and pro-Pact protestors gather outside the United States embassy, shouting socialist slogans and burning an American flag. The Parisian police keep them back from the gate and walls.

A smaller group of Radical Communists burn the US president in effigy. The police quickly cordon them off from the rest of the protestors and push them further away from the embassy.

Warsaw simply reiterates its objection without acknowledging any of the American responses, stating that the only possible honorable answer is for the United States to honor its treaty obligations.

We are not going to compromise on this.

The United States replies that the London Treaty Alliance is a defensive alliance of free nations, and the United States is one of the members of that alliance. If the other allies wish to allow Spain to enter, then the US will accept that verdict. If the other allies do not wish to allow Spain to enter, then the US will accept that verdict as well.

The Third Republic of France raises a loud objection, pointing out that it would leave France literally surrounded by LTA nations and potentially be destabilizing a nuetral France. The French government also points out that France was prevented from rejoining the Warsaw Pact only a few years ago under the same treaty that the Americans now seem to be conviently ignoring.

In Paris, large groups of pro-Soviet and pro-Pact protestors gather outside the United States embassy, shouting socialist slogans and burning an American flag. The Parisian police keep them back from the gate and walls.

A smaller group of Radical Communists burn the US president in effigy. The police quickly cordon them off from the rest of the protestors and push them further away from the embassy.

The United States points out the Spain approached the LTA, not vice versa, but will forward French complaints to its allies for them to act as they see fit. The US government reminds France that the LTA is a defensive alliance and that not so long ago France was part of it.

The United States points out the Spain approached the LTA, not vice versa, but will forward French complaints to its allies for them to act as they see fit. The US government reminds France that the LTA is a defensive alliance and that not so long ago France was part of it.

France points out that the Warsaw Pact is also a defensive alliance. They also acknowledge that the French were once members of the LTA, but split with the LTA after a difference of opinion.

The US government reminds France that the LTA is a defensive alliance and that not so long ago France was part of it.
"Discussions over the previous year and now urgent events leads the US to send the Secretary of State, Bainbridge Colby, to London with instructions to create a firm alliance against . . . Socialist Germany and its allies."

That doesn't sound particularly "defensive" to me.

It's also total crap that the US can't tell Spain to just go away - you did exactly that to Albania.

Rumania issues it's own protests along the same lines as those of the Soviet Union and France.

Rumania issues it's own protests along the same lines as those of the Soviet Union and France.

When Congress gets wind of the 90 points of military aid provided to France by the Union, along with the maneuvers that occured in the previous year, and the massive build up of fortifications along the French coast, members start making fiery long winded speeches.

The bottom line, FDR no longer has the political room to not let the Spanish into the LTA as it would be seen as bowing to Union pressure.

Colombia would like to see Spain join the LTA.

bump as this hasn't been resolved yet

tag

Upon hearing rumors that the US has offered pressuring the Canary Islands to rejoin Spain if it joins the LTA, Algeria quietly informs the US that suitable comprimise must be given to Morocco if Algeria is to agree on Spanish membership.

After some heated arguments with his Defense Minister and Secretary of the Navy, Prime Minister Hertzog has been convinced to support Spain's entry into the LTA.

Prime Minister Chamberlain has continued to express willingness to allow Spain into the LTA if that is what that country wishes. He also promises some financial aid to Spain in the next economic year if they so wish.

ooc
that will be enough votes then... Britian, Colombia, South Africa, US (pc nations), means that Canada, Chile, Portugal and New Zealand (npc nations) will also agree. Morocco will agree even if Algeria doesn't (as Morocco already knows it acquired Spanish Morocco at the start of the 2nd Great War), and Iceland, Belgium and Burgundy will either agree or abstain. Australia may or may not agree but its vote wouldn't affect the outcome.

therefore, Spain is accepted into the LTA, and now may obtain US and British weapons and gains favored trade status with LTA nations (lower or no tariffs)

The United States also brings forward the request by Japan for improved commercial relations and a non agression pact with LTA nations.

ooc

therefore, Spain is accepted into the LTA, and now may obtain US and British weapons and gains favored trade status with LTA nations (lower or no tariffs)
The Soviet Response (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10211852&postcount=348). We'll also reduce our diplomatic mission in the United States to a skeleton staff, require all American travllers in the Union to be accompanied by internal secuirty staff at all times, discontinue all nonessental diplomatic programs with Washington (e.g., student and cultural exchanges), and cut off all trade with the United States.

Armed camps, now.

In London, LTA officers meet to discuss new deployments of LTA forces in light of recent changes.

OOC: I know it doesn't matter now, but India would've accepted Spains entrance into the LTA.

We are glad to have been accepted and redeemed! May the LTA prosper!

The concerned Algerian government sends an emissary to London to determine if there is going to be any future threats to Algeria.

Britain issues a statement to the LTA members at the conference calling for a unified stance in whatever issues may face us in the near future, dedication to the maintainence of sovereign nations territory and the elimination of any threats to world peace.

India issues a statement that says that the LTA should make it it's mission to use diplomacy as much as possible in "a unified stance in whatever issues may face us in the near future, dedication to the maintainence of sovereign nations territory and the elimination of any threats to world peace." India, which was directly affected in the last Great War, knows the full brunt of what happens when war breaks out, unlike other members who haven't been invaded in many generations. If another war breaks out, it will most likely directly affect India once more, and if that were to happen, India's future is uncertain.

Indeed it is Britain's aim to resolve any issues by diplomatic means as well. However Britain will not make any concessions diplomatically that will weaken the LTA or else strengthen any potential enemies. Britain has no desire to cause uneeded deaths by war but if the time comes she will stand united with the LTA against any threat. Britain will also place the strategic security of Commonwealth nations high in any defence strategies, second only to the security of the United Kingdom and her Colonies.

OOC: That's good, because I'm scared to death here. I've been working to make good relations with the Union, and now they're about to declare war on us. And if they invade, India collapses. The Communists will revolt, thinking the Reds will come and save them, and then all I've worked for is gone. Hell, India might even be partitioned!

OOC: It seems that war has been averted, for now at least, so that we can rest easy for a while. You seem to be in a difficult situation though, trying to provide for your people whilst modernising, try to build as many shipping units as possible, they're the easiest way to get points at your level.

OOC: It seems that war has been averted, for now at least, so that we can rest easy for a while. You seem to be in a difficult situation though, trying to provide for your people whilst modernising, try to build as many shipping units as possible, they're the easiest way to get points at your level.

OOC: That's what I plan to do. However, if you look here (http://www.freewebs.com/thelightningstar/Inida%20Economic%20Growth.txt), you'll see that, if I just use my own economy, by 1955 I'll still only have 15 commerce points.

Egypt joins the LTA in December

In addition, the US, British and South Africans announce a massive aid project to bring development to Sub Saharan African.

India is reassured by the US government that they haven't been forgotten.

The US and British do some substantial shifting about of military forces.

The Americans and Chinese and the British and Chinese are having talks at high levels about future cooperation.

Algeria calls for the LTA to issue a resolution to condemn the bombing of Shiraz by the Soviet Union.

Colombia will not condemn the Union, unless we condemn the rebels of the Middle Eastern Union.

It has been established that should one side in a conflict chose to break the Geneva Convention (Or whatever it is that we have), then they are not entitled to the protection offered by that Agreement. While what the Union did was highly inappropriate and morally wrong, so is what the Rebels did. It would be unfair for us to condemn one, and let the other go.

We do not agree, it is true that the rebels did to our knowledge comit several hideous acts, but the fact remains that they haven't done anything that hopes to reach the villiny of the bombing and murdering of perhaps more than 10,000 civillian men, women and children indiscriminantly along with decimating their homes, businesses and any future economic potential of their area.

Furthermore, research f the popular and internal response in the MEU show indication that the local government was unwilling to carry out this "action", even so the Soviet Union carried it out anyway. You may draw your own conclusion.

Another thing to consider is the motive for such an act is very questionable, one might wonder at if this perhaps was a show of power, but I believe that would be for now speculation.

Whether it is ten or ten thousand, we cannot allow the murderings of people who are non-combatants or POW's.

The United States also brings forward the request by Japan for improved commercial relations and a non agression pact with LTA nations.

Japan hereby withdraws its request.

Colombia will not condemn the Union, unless we condemn the rebels of the Middle Eastern Union.

It has been established that should one side in a conflict chose to break the Geneva Convention (Or whatever it is that we have), then they are not entitled to the protection offered by that Agreement. While what the Union did was highly inappropriate and morally wrong, so is what the Rebels did. It would be unfair for us to condemn one, and let the other go.

one man dies, so 35,000 must burn. Lets not also forget the one man that died was a mercenary.

The United States sends the Chief of Staff of the Army Marshal, Chief of Naval Operations King and General Arnold, commander of the US Army Air Force to London to consult with the British service chiefs.

The United States urges all LTA nations to embargo the sale of oil, coal and steel to Japan until they halt their unprovoked attack on China.

Australia has commited to this embargo. Should attacks continue into 1940 we will cut off shipments of beef and grain (I believe historically that Australia is a bread basket of sorts, although I am not sure to what extent at this point in history)

Are we impounding japanese shipping?

Australia has commited to this embargo. Should attacks continue into 1940 we will cut off shipments of beef and grain (I believe historically that Australia is a bread basket of sorts, although I am not sure to what extent at this point in history)

Are we impounding japanese shipping?

not yet

Gb, Tg.

Algeria will comit with the embargo.

OoC: maybe the LTA should consider projects like Lend-Lease to China, The Flying Tigers Program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers), The Burma Road (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Road), the Ledo Road (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledo_Road) and other such programs.

China secretly contacts the LTA to request assistance in military planning, tactics, and strategy for containing the Japanese invasion and then the subsquent expelling of the Japanese military from Chinese lands to restore peace in Eastern Asia.

Britain immediately ceases all oil, coal and steel trade with Japan and implements severe embargoes on many other goods. It urges other LTA nations to do the same lest Japanese imperialism threaten any other state.

The US Chief of Staff of the Army Marshal, Chief of Naval Operations King and General Arnold are welcomed to London and immediately go into top level meeting with Admiral of the Fleet Sir Dudley Pound, Field Marshal Sir Edmund Ironside and MArshall of the RAF Sir Edward Ellington.

The Chinese situation is top of the agenda.

Although it pains the Indian government to do this, we must post that we are withdrawing from the London Treaty Alliance, as well as the Commonwealth of Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10247916#post10247916). While the Indian people have many friends within the members of the LTA, we do not wish to send off millions of Indian soldiers to die in Washington and Warsaws war.

Although it pains the Indian government to do this, we must post that we are withdrawing from the London Treaty Alliance, as well as the Commonwealth of Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10247916#post10247916). While the Indian people have many friends within the members of the LTA, we do not wish to send off millions of Indian soldiers to die in Washington and Warsaws war.

This occurs in April 1939, as does the British government informing India that aid will be decreased and not available next year.

This occurs in April 1939, as does the British government informing India that aid will be decreased and not available next year.

I was always aware that there would be no aid.

China makes formal inquires into joining the London Treaty Alliance. We believe it is time for China to join the LTA, considering that the LTA is a bastion of democracy and freedom, something which the new China embraces. In addition, we have grown to distrust and even loathe the Pact, with the exception of France, for what they have been trying to do to China over the past decade.

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OOC:

Sorry for the crappy post, my time is limited today.

Formal Irish Request for Aid

The Republic of Ireland requests that Great Britain defend our Island by Naval means. We are working to upgrade our Rail networks for assisted logistics, as well as reinforcing the cities of Dublin and Cork. This, however, is removing from our ability to wage war on the air and sea.

In compensation for the defense of Irish sovereignty, the Republic Army (the official one) shall be mobilised to be deployed on the ground in any engagements Britain requires assistance with.

The US government recommends acceptance of China into the LTA. In addition, the US thanks Ireland for its show of support.

Colombia supports the induction of China into the LTA. Also, Colombia is willing to send a Mechanized Corp in 3 months (when they are done training) as well as 10 Points in aid, since they cannot be sent to Korea or China at this point in time.

Though Australia will fight in this coming war to protect China from Pact aggression, and though we are at war with Japan and thus have common enemies, this nation can not in good conscience support the Chinese bid for membership. However we will not stand in the way of progress (there will be no vote against it), and of course when the bid passes we will support that nation as a loyal ally.

OOC: Australia has a small but very vocal minority that still holds a grudge against China for that whole "eradication of our navy in the last war" thing. The prime minister's government could collapse if he alienates this minority (and though that will likely happen when Australian troops go to fight) he wishes to put it off for as long as possible.