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OOC: The picture isn't perfect, but I got tired of having to keep editing, so if you want, just ignore the picture. Comments are appreciated.

IC:

http://kryogenix.cbstaff.com/type-22.jpg

The Type-22 Rifle For the Imperial Japanese Antarctican Ground Forces

Calibre: 7.62x51mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall Length: 855mm (33.6 inches)
Barrel Length: 535mm (21 inches)
Weight: 3kg empty (6.6 lbs)
Rate of Fire: 850 rounds per minute
Magazine Capacity: 25 standard (BETA-C mag available).
Range: 640 meters (2100 feet)

Price: $700 (Export: $1000)

For over 20 years, the Type-94 assault rifle was Japanese Antarctica's staple infantry weapon. However, the evolving world of arms has forced the Defense Ministry to keep up with the rest of the world. Once again, the HOWA Machine Corp of Japanese Antarctica was contracted to design the rifle. The same criteria were assigned: It had to be easily carried, accurate and highly reliable.

HOWA's solution was the Type-22 rifle. The Type-22 is a bold step forward; it abandons the standard configuration for a bullpup configuration and 1-in-10 turn rifling. The Typ-22 can also serve many different roles. It has very respectable accuracy, range and rate of fire. With a BETA-C magazine and bipod, the Type-22 can be used for suppressing fire. Or with a scope, the Type-22 can be used to fire across long distances. With the Type-22, a soldier is always prepared for any situation.

OOC: Looks good, though the 7.62mm NATO is kinda weak against NS bodyarmor.

Oh and you have this listed:
Overall Length: 855mm (33.6 inches)
Barrel Length: 535mm (21 inches)
but the pic shows the mag may towards the back, and 855mm seems a bit short for an assualt rifle, most are 900+mm and the guns seems a bit light(unless you're using lightweight materials.).

OOC: Looks good, though the 7.62mm NATO is kinda weak against NS bodyarmor.

Oh and you have this listed:

but the pic shows the mag may towards the back, and 855mm seems a bit short for an assualt rifle, most are 900+mm and the guns seems a bit light(unless you're using lightweight materials.).

OOC: What rounds do most other people use? And this body armor, what level tech (ie future, post modern).

The Steyr AUG, AK-47 and M4A1 are all under 900mm. And I am using lightweight materials.

OOC: What rounds do most other people use? And this body armor, what level tech (ie future, post modern).

The Steyr AUG, AK-47 and M4A1 are all under 900mm. And I am using lightweight materials.

I personally use a 8.65 x 65mm caseless round(Oh, you should list the muzzle velocity also), and the body armor is MT(There are light weight materials that can be mass produced now that when applied in a large enough layer can stop a 7.62mm NATO from 15m travelling at up too 2,700 feet per second (Dragon Skin(r) (http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/sov.php), there's a video at the bottom). And I meant larger assualt rifle like the M-16 and the XM-8, I consider the M-4A1 to be more of a spec ops rifle.

OOC: If it uses 7.62x51mm, then by definition it isn't as assault rifle, and in practice it won't be a great battle rifle (and The Silver Sky's 8.65 x 65mm would be even worse). If you want good long-range performance, go for something in the 6.5mm to 7mm range; cartridges in that size range can perform better than the 7.62x51mm at longer ranges, and won't need as much KE to penetrate armor.

It looked too light at first, but it's actually not much lighter than an M16A1...I guess its furniture will be a bit weak, but it could work.

I personally use a 8.65 x 65mm caseless round(Oh, you should list the muzzle velocity also), and the body armor is MT(There are light weight materials that can be mass produced now that when applied in a large enough layer can stop a 7.62mm NATO from 15m travelling at up too 2,700 feet per second (Dragon Skin(r) (http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/sov.php), there's a video at the bottom). And I meant larger assualt rifle like the M-16 and the XM-8, I consider the M-4A1 to be more of a spec ops rifle.

The XM-8 is also under 900mm.

OOC: If it uses 7.62x51mm, then by definition it isn't as assault rifle, and in practice it won't be a great battle rifle (and The Silver Sky's 8.65 x 65mm would be even worse). If you want good long-range performance, go for something in the 6.5mm to 7mm range; cartridges in that size range can perform better than the 7.62x51mm at longer ranges, and won't need as much KE to penetrate armor.

It looked too light at first, but it's actually not much lighter than an M16A1...I guess its furniture will be a bit weak, but it could work.

I don't understand. The AK uses 7.62 Russian ammo, and that's an assault rifle. And I thought the heavier the ammo, the farther it goes (more mass = more inertia right?). Can you explain why it would not make a good assault rifle at this calibre?

bump, will address weight and other problems when i'm back from eating.

To my understanding the smaller the round, the less energy it needs to accelerate, and then the farther and faster it can go. Why else would I have a 5.32x48mm round?

We would like to buy 15 000 of these rifles for testing in various combat zones. The price would be $10 500 000.

*Money wired*

- Imperial Arms Contractor

I don't understand. The AK uses 7.62 Russian ammo, and that's an assault rifle.It's not the diameter that matters; it's the energy. The 7.62x39mm M1943 cartridge has a muzzle energy of 2,010J, while the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge's muzzle energy is 3,540J.
And I thought the heavier the ammo, the farther it goes (more mass = more inertia right?).It's a lot more complicated than that -- you also have to think about aerodynamics...I'm not an expert on the subject, so I can't go into much detail. Certain 6.5mm Grendel cartridges, however, retain more energy and drop less than the 7.62x51mm M80 does at long ranges.
Can you explain why it would not make a good assault rifle at this calibre?Too powerful, too heavy, and too inaccurate at long ranges.

To my understanding the smaller the round, the less energy it needs to accelerate, and then the farther and faster it can go.With the same amount of powder, it'll go faster, but very small bullets tend to have shorter ranges, and are less effective at stopping the target.

OOC: Why is it the Export costs $300 more than the regular?

OOC: Why is it the Export costs $300 more than the regular?

The regular price might be for domestic purchase, while the export price would be to make a larger profit.

To my understanding the smaller the round, the less energy it needs to accelerate, and then the farther and faster it can go. Why else would I have a 5.32x48mm round?

True, it accelerates faster. However, this means it doesn't retain that energy as well. Think about it, you can't throw a ping pong ball as far as you can throw a golf ball.

Now, Nianico, if I used 7.62x51, would that solve my problems?

Now, Nianico, if I used 7.62x51, would that solve my problems?In short-range power and recoil, 7.62x51 > 7.62x39 > 6.5x???. In long-range power and accuracy, 6.5x??? > 7.62x51 > 7.62x39. I think something like the 6.5mm Grendel would be better than anything 7.62mm, but if you don't want to use that, go for 7.62x51mm if you want power and accuracy, and 7.62x39mm if you want full-auto fire to be easier to control.

In short-range power and recoil, 7.62x51 > 7.62x39 > 6.5x???. In long-range power and accuracy, 6.5x??? > 7.62x51 > 7.62x39. I think something like the 6.5mm Grendel would be better than anything 7.62mm, but if you don't want to use that, go for 7.62x51mm if you want power and accuracy, and 7.62x39mm if you want full-auto fire to be easier to control.

I just finished talking with a buddy who is very knowledgable with guns. He told me 7.62x51 can be just as accurate, if not more with proper rifling. He suggested 1 in 10 turn rifling and muzzle compensation.

Bumping and editing.

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By the way:

We would like to buy 15 000 of these rifles for testing in various combat zones. The price would be $10 500 000.

*Money wired*


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OOC:Hey, you're back! Hmm, rifle looks good. Why'd you get rid of the old one?

my rifle is the old self loading rifle (SLR) probably better known to the world as the FAL (fabrique automatique legure(please excuse spelling))

its accurate and resonably fast firing (can go automatic but the british version was only semi automatic and single shot) simple and good in all conditions with a good one shot capability (the new guns with smaller rounds often don't do very much even when they get into the body)

I also have light machine guns and medium machine guns/heavy machine guns at high levels in my units

also my army uses the stirling machine gun (old but good)

OOC:Hey, you're back! Hmm, rifle looks good. Why'd you get rid of the old one?

I wanted a bullpup rifle.