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Recently Kjata Major has been having Soviet-type military parades of over a MILLION troops parading on the Kyushu island. Fully armed, marching with all the merits and awards that there training has brought them. Aircraft with up to 50 kills were spotted, many of the F/A-22s that where carried on massive oversized platform trucks were ordained with glyphic symbols and anicent lettering.

Harriers flew in the skies over head and dropped thousands of pounds of cherry blossom petals from above down on the crowds, it was raining pink petals! To the sound of the nation's national anthem blaring from the many speaker towers.

Among the vehicles on display were massive V-2 launchers, Type-98 tanks, M1 Abrams, dozens of Technical trucks and the new hover-tanks.

It lasted for over an hour before the big stuff came out. Each of the Generals were making there way down the street in their special vehicles.

General Raijin was piloting a massive 50 thousand ton metal behemoth called 'Judgement' it was as large as a massive battleship and twice as armored. The ground shook as it rolled down the street, the engines were nuclear of course, but the main attraction was the massive forward guns. A collection of 8 massive 10 inch guns that were assembled like a gatling gun that would spin and deliver massive and deadly firepower on any enemy. Raijin was sitting on the main gun at the stop, waving to everyone in the crowd. Instantly the gun fired a blank round and the crowds cheered from the deafening blast, General Raijin laughed and continued to wave. His arrival was only the first.

General Lina's airship flew over Raijin. A specialized bomber that is capable of hovering in mid-air with vertical thrusters, much like a harrier jet and yet the shape of a B-2. She waved and walked around on the top of the bomber, the carefree General jumped around the plane and waved to the people below as it past General Raijin's tank.

It was a personal parade for the two Generals, next week would feature General Minerva, Muramasa and Masamune, and Reiji. The scale of the parade for two low ranking leaders and the sheer number of troops has effectively shattered the illusion of Kjata Major as a peaceful nation.
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After the parade Headmaster Ryo was awaiting the phone lines, cause surely the little 'stunt' they had just pulled would send the modern world into chaos if they learned about the new weapons of Kjata Major.

Jenrak would like to know the true purpose behind this military march. Surely it is not simply to show the world of your newfound weapons?
-Nahk Territurari

Willink watches by satillite with little interest.

Jenrak would like to know the true purpose behind this military march. Surely it is not simply to show the world of your newfound weapons?
-Nahk Territurari


To: Nahk Territurari
From: Headmaster Ryo

Has anything we done been to show our weaponry!? Has anything we been done just to say 'AHAHAHA' and spit on the world? Our military technology is new and powerful, it will be used soon enough.

To: Nahk Territurari
From: Headmaster Ryo

Has anything we done been to show our weaponry!? Has anything we been done just to say 'AHAHAHA' and spit on the world? Our military technology is new and powerful, it will be used soon enough.

We ask for what, then.

We ask for what, then.

Headmaster Ryo's reply was short and simple:

"For changing the world! In time all will be revealed!"

The headmaster of Kjata Major was sent a letter in a legal envelope.
It simply read, "Surely you wouldn't be planning on changing things in my part of the world?" It was signed, "V.P.S."

OOC:Ignoring the hover tanks and the 'Massive behemoth with ten inch gattling guns', since they are blatant godmods.
IC:Official Statement From Red Tide
"Okay, so you have M1A2 and Type-98s? SO WHAT!? How exactly are you going to change the world with inferior equipment? Our MBT-66s surpass the M1A2 and Type-98 in several fields, and there are tanks even MORE powerful then that. And V-2s? V-2s!!?!?!?! Those things are WW2 Antiques! We could shoot them out of the sky easy!"
End Statement

OOC:Ignoring the hover tanks and the 'Massive behemoth with ten inch gattling guns', since they are blatant godmods.
IC:Official Statement From Red Tide
"Okay, so you have M1A2 and Type-98s? SO WHAT!? How exactly are you going to change the world with inferior equipment? Our MBT-66s surpass the M1A2 and Type-98 in several fields, and there are tanks even MORE powerful then that. And V-2s? V-2s!!?!?!?! Those things are WW2 Antiques! We could shoot them out of the sky easy!"
End Statement

Does arrogance hurt? :confused:

OOC:Huh?

OOC:Ignoring the hover tanks and the 'Massive behemoth with ten inch gattling guns', since they are blatant godmods.
IC:Official Statement From Red Tide
"Okay, so you have M1A2 and Type-98s? SO WHAT!? How exactly are you going to change the world with inferior equipment? Our MBT-66s surpass the M1A2 and Type-98 in several fields, and there are tanks even MORE powerful then that. And V-2s? V-2s!!?!?!?! Those things are WW2 Antiques! We could shoot them out of the sky easy!"
End Statement

OOC: Dude...hover tanks aren't special. They are just trackless and light. So take your Godmod crap out of my thread, better yet delete your post. Hover tanks are weak against gunfire, they are for crossing old minefields and waters.

General Raijin has it...its a simple thing, just huge. Think a land-battleship. I been only talking about Raijins tank for the last month.....

IC:

To: Redtide2
From: Headmaster Ryo

"Your diplomatic skills are astounding, it took me all of two sentances to get your point. Hope you do better in protecting your nation then you teach English."

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To: Communist Rule
From: Headmaster Ryo

"We highly doubt that as of the moment, don't worry."

OOC:Oh sure, lets ignore the the that you have to have SOMETHING inbetween the tank and the ground, or else its just a very weak, immobile bunker. And remember, if your going to stick to MT or PMT then that 'something' will have to be wheels OR treads... BOTH of which would detonate a mine.

As for General Raijins 'Judgement Land Battleship'. It would be so heavy that the damned thing couldnt move! Even if you are using nuclear reactors to power it, treads or wheels wouldnt be able to support its weight! And a million soldiers isnt anything speacial, my nation has 8.5 MILLION Soldiers(not counting logistics personnel).

IC:Official Reply
"Hmm. It appears our english skills are completely equal, so I dont know what your talking about."
End Message

OOC: I wouldn't say huge tanks are GMing, as they'd be horribly vulnerable to airstrikes and artillery, as well as being very slow. It would be more of a "look what we can do, we can build this" kind of thing.
I think.
Since Nistolonia is FT, i cant actually reply to this thread.

ooc: The only problem i see with hover tanks is that upon firing the recoil cannot be absorbed by the ground, and so will cause the tank to rock back disastrously and in all likelyhood capsize. The solution is for it to fire the 'recoiless gun', which is basically a modified RPG. However, and incoming fire at all would have the same rocking effect. As for the Judgement, as long as the quantity is between 0 and 2 and it has a phenominal surface area of treads on the ground at all times, i think its just about as feasable as a superdreadnought. And since everybody and their dog owns a superdreadnought on NS, i have no problem with the Judgement as long as A) you make many weaknesses quite clear upon its introduction and B) its not ever on my doorstep.

OOC:Oh sure, lets ignore the the that you have to have SOMETHING inbetween the tank and the ground, or else its just a very weak, immobile bunker. And remember, if your going to stick to MT or PMT then that 'something' will have to be wheels OR treads... BOTH of which would detonate a mine.

As for General Raijins 'Judgement Land Battleship'. It would be so heavy that the damned thing couldnt move! Even if you are using nuclear reactors to power it, treads or wheels wouldnt be able to support its weight! And a million soldiers isnt anything speacial, my nation has 8.5 MILLION Soldiers(not counting logistics personnel).

IC:Official Reply
"Hmm. It appears our english skills are completely equal, so I dont know what your talking about."
End Message


Hovercraft + tank = Hovertank. Albeit light and weak they are powerful in some situations. Though more of a showy thing.

http://www.propstore.com/images/products/349/bond-noconegun-dvd.jpg

Nuclear engines are powerful enough to move the thing, not fast, but it is his command outpost for the battlefield. The mobile base. Its just battleship guns on a scaled up body. Think of the old horizontal or vertical arcade blazing aircraft games. There is ALWAYS a uber-tank that you destroy and its kinda like that on a new level....a downgraded level.

(Hums Red Alert Hell march theme.)
IC: The Lone Alliance is impressed with the amount of Military you have managed to show.



ooc: The only problem i see with hover tanks is that upon firing the recoil cannot be absorbed by the ground, and so will cause the tank to rock back disastrously and in all likelyhood capsize. The solution is for it to fire the 'recoiless gun', which is basically a modified RPG.
(So you mean something like a Hover MLRS)

(OOC: Man, you couldn't drive the thing on pavement or anything else for that matter. Your "50 thousand ton metal behemoth" would leave 50 thousand ton metal behemoth tracks everywhere it went. But thats considering that it wouldn't break itself as it moves...)

"Whilst I may be a newb myself I fear it must be done.. It's just surprising that someone with over 1000 posts would be so.. so.. newbish" General IgotzGunz stated, "Oh well, READY NEWB CANNONS!"

OOC: Give him a break people. Jesus do we all need to jump on him.
IC: Master Phillip, head of Frozopian military, smiled:
"Great. Somewhere to aim our nukes at."

The Pudite Minister of Internal Efficincy and Transport would like to see the plans you used and learn of the processes employed to construct the road your troops are marching on. The fact that it could support 50 tons of metal behemoth amazed us.

- Emperor Pudu III

OOC: Surprisingly only you mentioned the tread problems....though its more then safe to say that the road is wrecked when hundreds of tanks go down the street, even in WWII tanks did damage to the roads, and since its a 'parade street' its given that it is much much wider and is meant for military parades. This is not the Russian parade.

Recoiless fire on a hovertank, I wish. I am not that technologically advanced for it. They can't fire during moving, the main gun would stop it and be horrible with recoil. The best I have is Metal Storm technology, so while the recoil will exist it will be smaller so I can use machine guns and accurately land shots on the target without suffering from recoil, then the recoil will be smaller on the tank and not a problem by comparison to the main gun. It has latches to tie it down for main gun use. It can't fire and move...I know that.

The Greater Lands...btw...I've been developing my technology for months. This is not some half-assed thing. I know the limits, but I didn't anticipate such comments for a military parade thing which was to only DISPLAY my increase in power, not actual use.

OOC: a 50 Ton metal behemoth would be like The "Turbo Tanks" of "Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith" and The US Army is Planning on makeing Giant Tanks. So the Thing isn't all Godmod, not even The Hovertank an't Godmod.

General Ktulu looked over the satellite images of Kjata Major's metal behemoth.

"The weapon ain't much, but damn look at those roads."

OOC: a 50 Ton metal behemoth would be like The "Turbo Tanks" of "Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith" and The US Army is Planning on makeing Giant Tanks. So the Thing isn't all Godmod, not even The Hovertank an't Godmod.


OMG! *honored* Finally I am glad someone knows the weakness of things when I clearly don't even give the strengths or say anything detailed about them. Though I bet I would have been given this kind of comments if I had gone a step farther into obsurity and said that the Generals used hovering platforms to go down the street.

People don't understand the US Army did tests of it, but they abandoned the idea for the complex usage (at the time it was) and the fact that in large numbers people would bump and crash into each other and the inability to fire weapons. Though I would have loved to use them in small numbers as a 'SCREW YOU!' to the enemy and rally the troops. Have the General fly over the troops calling out a battle cry and plan to smash the enemy. Though its typical of NS for that to.

OOC:Meh, alright, Ill accept the 50,000 ton behemoth, I can kill it anyhow with a single Bunker Buster Bomb(which is alot cheaper then another one of those). Oh, and the hovertanks to. And the VTOL Stealth Bomber may sound like a good idea but isnt for the following reasons:

A:It would have a HUGE Infrared Signature and be damn noisy. Have you ever heard a VTOL craft? Its louder then a regular fighter! And all the heat generated by donward thrusters is begging to get hit by a shoulder fired Infrared Guided Missile.

B:Sub-Sonic Speed. Due to its shape, a B-2 shaped craft could NOT surpass the speed of sound.

C:There are types of radar that can see the B-2 anyhow.

VTOL Bomber....its not really that. Its a General vehical, meaning non-combative usually. It just stores a ton of fuel and weapons. Its also General Lina, so basically any anti-air missile that hits it takes it out. Just like every other bomber craft Lina has. Even a vulcan gun pass can destroy enough vital components to knock one of her bombers out of the sky!

(Lina is an idiot at war....too nice, and too weak)

Just a note before hand, I'm not trying to shoot anything down here. Just request some info.

Alright, first question is, why use V-2 rockets?

And the second, why use plain ole' Type 98's? In NS, against a decent force of MBTs, they would get slaughtered. The M1A2 might fair a little better. (Type 98Gs/99's are the latest variant of that tank BTW, just in case you'd want to use them)

Alright, first question is, why use V-2 rockets?


Normally, I don't argue details in MT or FT, but I do have to note this. Aren't V-2s a bit outta date? They might be cheap, but you can definetly find a better missile out there.

EDIT: Unless you meant the V-2s from the Red Alert Series. Again, the previous point stands.

Normally, I don't argue details in MT or FT, but I do have to note this. Aren't V-2s a bit outta date? They might be cheap, but you can definetly find a better missile out there.

EDIT: Unless you meant the V-2s from the Red Alert Series. Again, the previous point stands.

Those would be V-3's anyway. (RA2. Never played RA1)

Those would be V-3's anyway. (RA2. Never played RA1)

OOC: Ah yes......the V-2's were featured in RA1, basically operated the same way.

OOC: My nation can't afford the best of everything, the Type 98 was a good choice at the time, without paying more for sheer numbers and quality. The V-2 launchers are VERY old, though even the oldies serve me well. I made them and I made the choice of having to use them. What if my technology is suffering because of low money and it doesn't interest the Generals? Technology is General specific.

BTW Kyanges I see you changed my KM page on Wiki.

OOC: My nation can't afford the best of everything, the Type 98 was a good choice at the time, without paying more for sheer numbers and quality. The V-2 launchers are VERY old, though even the oldies serve me well. I made them and I made the choice of having to use them. What if my technology is suffering because of low money and it doesn't interest the Generals? Technology is General specific.

BTW Kyanges I see you changed my KM page on Wiki.

OOC: True. But Scuds, US Honest John SSMs, and Taepo Dong/No Dong missiles might be more up your alley, rather than the V-2, for any sort of low-cost tactical or strategic rocket.

OOC: True. But Scuds, US Honest John SSMs, and Taepo Dong/No Dong missiles might be more up your alley, rather than the V-2, for any sort of low-cost tactical or strategic rocket.

@-@.....ya....you tell me that when you pay for 96 branches of the military at once.

OOC: My nation can't afford the best of everything, the Type 98 was a good choice at the time, without paying more for sheer numbers and quality. The V-2 launchers are VERY old, though even the oldies serve me well. I made them and I made the choice of having to use them. What if my technology is suffering because of low money and it doesn't interest the Generals? Technology is General specific.

BTW Kyanges I see you changed my KM page on Wiki.

(OOC: You'll also see that nothing was changed. (The Mod did the work. Check the revision history.) You might also want to check on your Tanthan page too. You've got mail. The mods said it was a terrible page.)

(OOC: You'll also see that nothing was changed. (The Mod did the work. Check the revision history.) You might also want to check on your Tanthan page too. You've got mail. The mods said it was a terrible page.)

You THEN the mod...trust me....I can check the history. I'm uploading a new page.

@-@.....ya....you tell me that when you pay for 96 branches of the military at once.

OOC: Just sayin', Scuds are a dime-a-dozen nowadays. Relatively cheap missiles, they shouldn't break the bank that much, even Scud-B, Scud-Cs, the more recent types.

And 96 branches? Not to nitpick, but some streamlining may be in order, that has to be a logisitical nightmare.

You THEN the mod...trust me....I can check the history. I'm uploading a new page.

(OOC: No that's exactly my point. I did nothing. Take a good look at both edits under my name. You checked, but didn't investigate further. You saw my name, and freaked out, with a blood boiling desire to accuse me. Calm down, see exactly what happened, and you'll see nothing was done.

Anyway, on topic: Keep up the modernization man, and streamline your forces.)

Its as streamlined as it can get for the current government. Not to say that it is the most ideal, but 12 parts, and 8 subs each. One for each General and 8 sub branches to cover them.