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*New Fighter Released!!!*

DMG
12-09-2005, 02:11
F-90 Guardian Angel
*DMG Original*

History
This is the first ever fighter plane designed by DMG Military Industries. It is equipped with the most advanced technology and some newly developed technology that was made specifically for and is used solely on the Guardian Angel. It was created as a multi-role aircraft to fill an air-superiority, bomber, and interceptor role. It took many years and billions of dollars to design but it was finally a reality.

It received the named Guardian Angel because the people on the ground when they are in need call it for support and it is their “Guardian Angel”. Also the pilots who flew it in the test stages said it performed like nothing of this earth and would help the pilot beyond what he knew – so sensibly it was named the Guardian Angel.

Cockpit and Control Systems
The cockpit, being the most vital part of the aircraft, has been advanced to the limits of technology. It has start-of-the-art computers and systems that make the F-90 Guardian Angel one of the most dangerous planes in the sky.

Onboard Computer
The main computer system of the Guardian Angel is the Omni-Sense RX90, which is an advanced version of the VCCS which is employed by DMG Military Industries. The basic VCCS G-II controls the entire plane and is basically a second pilot if the real pilot is unable to do his job. It contains the following technology:

A 512 bit encryption allows secure transmission of all signals and messages. An advanced navigation system, which is linked to all allied bases and satellites and radar systems, allows for the system to always know where it is on the battle field as well as the enemy. Military linking and group co-ordination allow for advanced tactical strategy and the VCCS weapon system. The highly advanced onboard weapon system that along with the navigation and linking components, targets the enemies on the battlefield and destroys them. The VCCS communicates with the unknown combatant and depending on the resulting signal it distinguishes friend from foe. If the unknown combatant also has a VCCS then the communication time is almost instant. After finding out that the combatant is a foe, the VCCS chooses the best onboard weaponry to use against the enemy and then targets and fires. The targeting and firing system can be manually turned off so that it merely alerts the crew of the enemy. A computer monitors the pilots vitals and if the pilot is unable to fly the plane for various reasons (i.e. knocked out from the AMMiD system) the VCCS will take over. It can carry out the targeting and firing priorities, fly it back to safe territory, or evade the enemy using a database of maneuvers.

The Omni-Sense RX90 employs even more features in its state-of-the-art design. The database of maneuvers contains pre-programmed moves and also studies the pilot’s and enemy pilot’s moves and adds them or a superior move to the database. The RX90 supervises the plains structure and reports any problems or future problems to the pilot – also it provides the best course of action for the problem and can execute that action if need be. The computer is programmed with various missions from bombing runs, intercepting missions, close air support, ground assault, and many others so that it can execute without the help of the pilot. The RX90 has the UVC system installed, which using satellites and high frequency signals communicates with the unmanned vehicle and allows an operative anywhere in the world control it as a pilot would. The RX90 can also activate the following systems which are built into the aircraft: DAC, AMMiD, EMP DAD, HES, SBRR, and Archangel Stealth System G-IV (all explained later).

Interactive – Screens and controls
The controls of the aircraft are an advanced SBRR system. The SBRR system contains the following:

The SBRR system is a satellite based reality reproduction system. The windows on the front of the aircraft are actually screens that digitally reproduce the surroundings from thousands of mini cameras located all over the aircraft – however they can be turned off so that the windows are transparent. The satellite system also allows for the pilot to look ahead around major obstacles and located a target that is not in the direct line of site. The onboard computer warns about hostile targets in the area. It also comes with a missile early warning alert system that can show real time action of the incoming missile. The SBRR system is also connected to the helmet and fold down visor. The visor is made of two halves – one for each eye – and can be lowered and raised individually. The pilot can choose between normal view, 180 view, or advanced view: the normal view is what he would see on the window screens, the 180 view gives him a view of behind the aircraft looking backwards, and the advanced view allows to see ahead and around obstacles to see what lays in store. An onboard voice system allows the pilot to control the entire system with voice commands – it can be used for weapon targeting and firing, to fly the aircraft, communicate with other systems or ground control, and any other possibility. It is almost as if playing a fighter pilot video game... at 50,000 feet.

In the next generation of SBRR which used in the Guardian Angel there are a few upgrades. The windows and fold down bi-visor have had glare-resistant materials added to them along with light reduction materials and systems so the pilot can look in the direction of the sun without being blinded. The advanced view of the SBRR system has been upgraded so that it can study the possible courses of action the pilot has based on where enemies are. It can then determine how other nearby allies and enemies would react to the conflict and what the probable outcome would be – very handy if you would like to know if you are going to die or not. All alerts will show up on the screens and be announced by the computer voice system – if it is determined to be urgent enough and the pilot doesn’t take the a proper course of action, the Omni-Sense RX90 will take over and execute the best course of action – whether it be bomb a target or evade an enemy. The SBRR system is designed to be extremely user friendly and wield the best results as to provide the pilot with everything he could need from munitions left to top secret information on future targets.

Ejection Seat?
Yes and no. Actually the entire cockpit ejects from the fuselage of the plane and two wings slide out from the sides. Called the Celestial Enigma it has an engine on it and a small supply of fuel that allow it to travel around 200 miles at 150 mph. The escape craft has a built in 15mm SF-790 Chain Gun that can be manually operated or controlled through the SBRR/VCCS.

After the fuel runs out, if the plane has not landed or on a landing course, it opens two massive parachutes that slow the plane down and then allow it to float to the ground. If all else fails the pilot can use a basic ejector seat to travel to safety.

Ten seconds after the Celestial Enigma has ejected and flown away the fuselage of the plane detonates leaving only very small debris to be picked up.

Weapons and Ordinance
The weapons systems of the Guardian Angel are controlled via the SBRR or Omni-Sense RX90 super computer. The RX90 can find enemies on the battlefield and target and eliminate them with the weapons. All onboard weapons are stored inside the aircraft as to minimize the radar cross section.

The Guardian Angel has two DMI designed, Hell-Raiser Heavy Machine Guns. These are placed inside the main body near the front of the aircraft. Right as the pilot or RX90 is about to fire the guns, a nine square inch panel opens up in front of them and then closes when the trigger is released. They can lock onto a target just like a missile would and they compensate for the movement of the aircraft. The bullets are 20mm and are hollow point but filled with explosives so that on impact they create tiny explosions that could tear a hole in the armor or ignite any fuel and munitions in a small radius.

Ordinance
The Guardian Angel has two internal weapons bays that can hold a total of 8 missiles or bombs each. They can carry any type of missile or bomb, from light nuclear ordinances to long range air-to-air missiles. Each bay has a revolver type missile loading system that can launch one ordinance at a time and then spin and launch another. The bay doors open a millisecond before the missile is to be launched and then close immediately after so that stealth is maintained. The unique thing about the Guardian Angel’s loading system is that it can load the missile in reverse so it can fire behind the aircraft at a pursuing enemy. The bays are located on either side of the fuselage.

The Guardian Angel has four external hard points capable of carrying ordinance, which are usually heavier air-to-surface missiles. The hard points can also be equipped with fuel tanks for long range missions so that it can travel a much farther distance without having to refuel.
Note: adding ordinance or fuel tanks to the hard points creates more weight and slightly less speed.

Guardian wha…?
DMG Military Industries purchased the rights to a product used on naval vessels called the Guardian Turret. When this aircraft was drawn up and named the designers insisted it had a modified Guardian Turret on it. Unforunately the Guardian Turret could only be used in water so the model was kep but a new Angel Turret was created on the frame of the Guardian Turret.

The new Angel Turret, created specifically for and in use only on, the Guardian Angel was hooked up to the RX90 super computer and it is used as a system to stop incoming missiles. The gun loads its bullets from a centrifuge that allows them to go at much faster speeds than a normal machine gun. It was placed on the back of the plane so to guard it from behind.

Engines
The engine system on the Guardian Angel is quite unique as it has two separate engine systems. It is powered by two TLS-0125M engines that produce 33,540 lbs of thrust each, combining for a total of 69,080 lbs of thrust (total of 74,470 lbs of thrust with afterburners). The engines and all internal parts are made from cesium-lithium metalloid *Credit Truitt* which has one of the lowest melting points of any known metal and can sustain extreme heat and weathering. It is also very light and easy to work with so it is very useful to use in aircraft engines. The engines are built with rotating hinges so that they can be turned towards nearly perpendicular with the ground so they can lift the plane up and out at the same time. The angled engines allow for a faster rate of climb and descent then most aircraft.

The range of the engines allows the plane to travel up to 16[00 miles without refueling. However the Guardian Angel does have mid-air refueling capabilities so it can fly long distances if need be.

The second part of the engine system is a SCRAMJET that is used for short periods of time. The TLS S11-CE SCRAMJET allows the plane to temporarily speed up in order to evade enemies, missiles, or just to get to the destination a little faster. The S11-CE can only be used for a very short period of time otherwise the fuel runs out and the engines cut out. The SCRAMJET will be automatically activated by the RX90 when it determines an incoming missile has been fired and needs to outrun it. The S11-CE is placed in a unique positions above the cockpit. This helps with fooling LIDAR and produces an on-off-on-off signal that is unlike most aircraft avoidance signals.

The aircraft super cruises at roughly mach 1.8. When the afterburners are activated on the engines it can reach about mach 2.2. And for the short period of time the SCRAMJET is activated, the Guardian Angel can reach speeds of nearly Mach 4, although the exact speed is classified by DMG Military Industries.

When all else fails…
If the Celestial Enigma escape craft is ejected from the aircraft the system waits ten seconds and then reverses the flow of fuel and ignites a massive explosion – along with all remaining missiles and bombs exploding.

Stealth and Design
One of the main goals of the Guardian Angel program was to create a fast, strong aircraft that still maintained a small radar cross section and high tech stealth abilities.

Design
Every aspect of the design was modified to create the best possible stealth. All weapons and fuel tanks are located inside the aircraft so as to not create a large RCS. The wings are fairly unique as they can be in any position from forward swept wings and then move to become swept wings or fold even farther back and become almost one with the fuselage. Other than that the aircraft is a classic fighter design and is most like the F/A-22 Raptor. The angles are created to reduce the RCS to minimal levels. Also the plane is coated in classified radar absorbing materials so that the RCS is minimized even more.

Armor and Defensive Systems
The outside of the plane is made from modified Triad Armour that has been strengthened with various materials and is more heat resistant now:

This armor is composed of three layers. The first is a self-healing layer, composed of a glue-like substance between two thin layers. When the substance comes into contact with air it begins to congeal and harden, forming a cover over the hole. This only works on smaller holes - missile damage is impossible to heal. The second layer is a titanium-aluminum alloy to provide torsional stiffness and some protection from bullets. The third layer is a carbon-silicon nano-mesh that will seriously slow down any bullets that penetrate the first two layers, preventing them from doing damage to internal mechanics. The armor is roughly 10kg per square meter.

The actual weight of the armor used on the Guardian Angel is classified by DMI.

The Guardian Angel is also armored with ERA armor that protects it against missiles and projectiles.

The DMG Military Industries’ custom DAC system also protects it from missiles with the following technology:

These are small aerial decoys that protect from incoming missiles. They can be let out of the back of an airplane, shot into the air by a projectile system, or dropped to earth from airplanes. They are most commonly used in DMI aircraft to defend against enemy fighters and incoming missiles. They are designed with geometry that allows them to maintain speed and height while flying through the air and maintaining a very large radar cross section. The radar cross section of the DAC is nearly the same as the average size fighter and therefore looks like a fighter on radar. The DAC also transmits a radar jamming signal, more specifically a noise jamming signal, so that the fighter and missile can retrieve any more information. The final mechanism of the DAC is to employ a IR signature equivalent to that of the fighter so it is impossible to distinguish between the two.

To protect against EMP missiles and bombs that the Guardian Angel employs a defensive system that is composed of multiple systems. The EMP DAD is the following:

As the acronym implies (DAD) it watches over your military and protects them from harmful EMPs.A highly advanced early warning system detects activating EMPs. It then shuts down all electronic systems and temporarily disconnects the power sources (In aircraft, in conjunction with the AMMiD system it thrusts the plane at an upward direction to maintain momentum when the power is cut – this part of the system can be turned off). The EMP DAD system also activates very small electro-magnets on the outside of the vehicle that create an electro-magnetic shield to oppose the EMP. The e-m shield has a 1-100,000 chance of being penetrated, although this is not a major issue as the EMP causes no harm because the electronics have been shut down.

The final defensive system, AMMiD, against incoming missiles is a maneuvering system that is completely computer controlled.

Joint with the radar and onboard early warning missile system it takes control of the aircraft for a short time to avoid an incoming missile. While tracking incoming missiles, the AMMiD system, warns the pilot of their launch and then when the missiles are within 10 seconds of impact again warns the pilot of the CATO (computerized aircraft take over) system. When the missile is 4 seconds away the CATO system, keeping in mind hostile forces and terrain, decides on the best course of action; either it can roll left, roll right, burn the thrusters and pull up rapidly, or hit the brakes and descend rapidly. Hopefully the missile will fly right by - although if the pilot is not prepared or in good enough physical shape, the maneuvers can cause physical and mental harm.

Stealth
The Guardian Angel employs a system that is very befitting of the name – the Archangel Stealth System G-IV. The Archangel G-IV uses the following:

Generation I – In this system, incoming radar beams are detected by various sensors around the vehicle. This information in sent to a computer that works out the location of the radar site, and sends back a counter signal that negates the reflected radar beam. The effectiveness of the system decreases as the number of radar sites increases.
Generation II – In addition to the system in the first generation, jamming capabilities have been added. This has three settings: Destruction, this is where the system overloads enemy radar systems and causes them to be destroyed; Swarm, this is where the system generates hundreds and thousands of images on the enemy radar, causing them to loose accuracy in foretelling enemy numbers, and attempting to single targets out for missile lock; Misdirection, this is where the system co-ordinates with the onboard Wraith system (if detected) so that each vehicle generated by the Wraith system, also has a radar signature generated by the Archangel system.
Generation III - In the wake of new radar systems that use self cancelling radar waves to detect the presence of newer generation active stealth systems, the Archangel system was redesigned to incorporate wave projection into it, allowing it to compare the incoming signals against atmospheric conditions to decide the right waves to return.
Gnereation IV - More of an update than a true evolution, the G-IV incorporates a sound deading system that sends out sound waves that are in anti-phase to the sound created by the vehicle. Though the system is unlikely to totally eliminate te sound created, it will reduce it by a significant amount, allowing audio confirmation by the enemy to be ignored.

The Guardian Angel uses the most state-of-the-art radar jamming and evasive technology possible. The system can also confuse the radar or send signals equivalent to the radar’s signals but with false information - making it seem as if the aircraft is anything from a duck to a Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile to 30 different aircraft. If you want to remain hidden it can send a signal making it seem as if nothing larger than a bird is there and most radars will cancel it out. You could also have fun by scaring the hell out of ground control and making an ICBM suddenly show up on the radar – watch how the enemies run for cover. Or for strategic use you can make a fleet of aircraft appear on radar – make enemies run in fear from a battalion of aircraft or make them move their forces to accommodate for an overwhelming incoming force.

The Guardian Angel also has a “stealth versus the human eye system” which allows it to become invisible – sort of. It has some drawbacks but the HES system functions as follows:



Specs
Manufacturer: DMG Military Industries
Length: 63.1 ft
Wingspan:
- 62 ft (Unswept)
- 38.5 ft (Swept)
- 27.9 ft (Fully Swept)
Height: 13.2 ft
Weight:
- 21.9 tons (Empty)
- 40 tons (Max take-off)
Crew: 1
Max Speed:
- Mach 1.8 (Normal)
- Mach 2.2 (Afterburner)
- Mach 4 (SCRAMJET)
Ceiling: 67,000 ft
Range:
- 1600 miles (Normal)
- 2900 miles (Additional fuel tanks on hard points)
VTOL: not completely
Aircraft Carrier: yes
Armament:
--2x Hell-Raiser Heavy Machine Guns
--16x Missiles or Bombs (internal bay)
--4x 12,000 lbs hard points
Systems:
--DAC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--AMMiD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--VCCS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--EMP DAD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--SBRR (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--HES (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--Archangel G-IV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--Guardian Turrets (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)
--Triad Armour (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9570587&postcount=259)

Production Cost: 120 Million USD
Export Cost: 180 Million USD

You can either post orders here or at DMG Military Industries (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440478)
Phoenixius
12-09-2005, 02:16
DMG, you do realise that my Guardian Turrets are super-cavitation - ie for use in water where the cavitation effect is useful? In air all it would be is expensive bullets - normal rounds, with a normal machine gun would work just as well.
DMG
12-09-2005, 02:25
ooc: fixed..
DMG
12-09-2005, 02:54
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The Silver Sky
12-09-2005, 02:56
OOC: A word of Advice stop *bumping* so much, you're bumping almost every hour, and why did you need to bump now? The last post was only 30 minutes ago! Some mods view excessive bumping as spam and will close threads, a bump once or twice a day is fine enough.
Mondoth
12-09-2005, 07:01
A few things: You refered to this fighter at least once as a helicopter (in the section about the SBRR system)

Your armor is too heavy, there's no way an aircraft with the stated thrust can even take off with armor that weighs 10kg per square meter. and ERA on an aircraft is not only useless (no sane person uses HEAT against an aircraft, and HEAT is really the only thing ERA protects against) Its also dangerous (if an exploding A2A warhead triggers the ERA, the shrapnel from the ERA could get sucked into the engines and cause an explosion, or could hit the pilot, an ERA detonation might even be capable of shredding a control surface (such as the tail or the wings)

weight: theres no way a carrier capable fighter with all you've described weighs less than 35 tons empty and 60 tons make TO weight, even allowing for advanced materials it needs to have a heavy structure to be able to take the stresses of a carrier landing, and the sheer amount of equipment you've included adds several tons to the weight (empty), bullets would weigh even more (esp. 30mm ones)

Weapons: rotary weapons systems such as the internal weapons bays you have included in your design are usually used for bombers, its technically possible to include a similar system in a fighter but it would take up room that could otherwise be used for more fuel or weapons

engines/range: Two different engine systems would take up a lot of room, and, unless you've somehow modified the turbofan and SCRAMJET designs (heavily) to be (much) more fuel efficient, with all the stuff already in your fighter, theres just not enough room for enough fuel for 1600 miles of range

Escape system: as good an idea as that is, there's no way such a system could include retractable wings, and engine, a 30mm cannon and 200 miles of fuel and still be a practical escape systems, its just as likely to be destroyed by whatever takes out the rest of the plane as it is to actually escape (as it would be a large portion of the main aircraft)

weapons: even considering future technology advancements, there IS a size limit to missiles and bombs, they have to be a certain size to remain effective and that size is unlikely to change in the n ear future (infact, the trend of missiles has been going larger to accomadate more fuel and larger warheads).
for example the F-14 ( a larger aircraft than the one you've designed) carries a maximum of 12 missiles, has only one medium machine gun, does not have large rotary weapons systems or an anti missile turret, and is not capable of carrying even one 12,000 pound bomb (only three american aircraft bear that dubious honour, and even less intl. aircraft. the B-1, the B-2 and the B-52, note the B designator for 'Bomber' not Bfighter, or even just Fighter) (its also faster with out after burner than your plane is with afterburner) its heavier than the plane you've described, has more powerful engines and currently flies off of carrier decks.

Stealth features and swept wings: Forward swept wings and stealth do not mix, no amount of uture gobbldegook will make that less true.

On a positive note, there's been some progress in Plasma radar shields (for really reals) That might be promising, sacrifice most of your non visual sensors (only while active) and you are literally invisible to enemy radar and virtually invisible (during the day) to IR or visual systems, while at night you might be a little more visually visible. Its real world technology and might be able to mask the rCS of forward swept wings and big turrets on the back of planes
DMG
12-09-2005, 12:26
Thank you for your input, I will now try to adress your issues.

This fighter was designed to be slightly PMT, about 2010+ tech so not all tech have to exist right now.

1) That is because I originally posted the SBRR with a helicopter and forgot to switch the names...

2) I said it was originally 10kg m^2 but it has been modified of course for the aircraft... Actual weights are classified as it states. The ERA is just another precaution... and it is an Electric Reactive Armour in this case not Explosive

3) Considering it is nearly VTOL capable, I am pretty sure it could land on an aircraft... or a house for that matter... well maybe not a house

4) True, but I like the system :p

5) I will have to get back to you on the engines - althuogh the fuel they use is not necessarily what is used today...

6) The escape system could be very useful... Maybe your engine cut out and couldn't restart... Maybe you just exited range of SAM after your plane got blown up... Maybe you dont want to freeze in the ocean for the next 2 hours until someone picks you up (you get the point...)

7) You are correct... I am fixing it

8) As I stated the wings can move from foward sept to completely swept - so stealth is still possible

Thats all for now. Thanks for the input.
Mondoth
13-09-2005, 02:18
OOC: Well, try pushing more towards 2025 for some of that stuff, other than that I guess its mostly good (never have liked electric reactive armor but thats not my call)
but the escape system is still probably too big for a fighter, you can get a parafoil that doesn't need an engine or fuel that could make maybe 100 miles from a good combat height and that should be all you really need. a 30mm cannon is probably not the nest choice, 25 or 20mm is probably better but thats just preference.

Its a good design though, keep it up.
Copenhaghenkoffenlaugh
13-09-2005, 03:11
My only problem: change the model name.

F90 is a trademarked sign by the creator of the F90 Gundam series. I'm very particular about trademarks.

Same thing with RX90. RX is a trademarked pre-sign ment for the Gundams (i.e. RX-78-2 Gundam, etc.).

Other than that, DAMN!

I like it already!
United specopscom
13-09-2005, 13:06
OOC: I like the design, very futuristic. However I do have to let you know that the caliber you are using for your two guns will not work. I spent a few years in the military. .50 caliber will not work simply due to the fact that the .50 caliber is simply to slow of a round to feasebly work on a aircraft when position facing the front. All that would happen when fired is that the aircraft would fly into the shells from behind and the shells would get sucked into the engines. Considering that the shells you are using are explosive, then you would have a deadly explosion as the shells entered the engines, exploded, caught the fuel on fire and destroyed the aircraft.

With technology advancing it is possible to make a smaller missile that would still have the same range and explosive capacity and say the phaenix missile that the f-14 uses at a range of over 100 miles. With the advent of solid based rocket fuel and composite explosives material, one pound of the new stuff would do the same as say ten pounds of the explosives currently being used in the older missiles.

Other than those points good job.
Also, the f-14 can actually carry up to 16 missiles, not 12.
DMG
14-09-2005, 01:09
thanks for the info... I will be editing the aircraft soon - very busy right now.

(got any suggestions on the bullet caliber?)
DMG
14-09-2005, 13:15
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Truitt
14-09-2005, 15:28
OOC: Nice use of Cesthium, I wonder if you got it from some outside source or a preview of my engines ;-P.

Nice consept, but the engine of a turbofan is not too good. I would rather suggest a gel-based (or liquid-based if you don't have gel-based propellants yet) rocket; as turbofans are large and used for long-term use; the main goal of my Xerocraft (escape system onboard my aircraft) is to get the pilot and systems away from hostilities and to a safe place to land, or a safe place to crash (depending on the mood of my RPing at the time). The guns onboard my Xerocraft are 12mm, and you have 30mm. Unless you have like...45 shells?...this thing would be the entire nose. Remember, radar and all those sensors are left to the plane; the computer, data, and pilot are what you want to save.

Armor for some reason still seems too thick. Also, using SCRAMjets in this fighter automatically stamps it 2015-2020 PMT-ish; even in short-time use. If you want it 2010-acceptible, scratch it and boost up the engines to what they can really do, or keep them. I am unsure on your tech level so; what ever.

I like how you went into detail on the computer system, gives me an idea of what you want to do. How does weather, such as magnetic currents (lightining and the such), and jammers compair to this system?

And the F-14 can carry up to 16 missiles. Side-fuselage pylons capable of carrying three AIM-7Cs (four per side; 8 in all) and eight under-fuselage pylons, commonly used for Phoenix AAMs (which two are need for each missile, which si why you see four orange missiles inbetween the engine curvlines in pictures).
United specopscom
14-09-2005, 20:38
I think that I would probably stick with a proven caliber when it comes to onboard weapons systems for fighters. Such as the 20 mm that is used by current jets like the f-15, 14, 16, and 18. they are tried and proven.