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After many years of research, and colaboration with other nations, the MTA-B01 is finally ready. The first aircraft that can enter and exit space at will, this is a must buy for advanced nations:

MTA-B01 Icicle (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/images/sr-71-ec95-42883-4.jpg)

AOA - Atmosphere-Orbit-Atmosphere. This aircraft was designed to able to enter and leave orbit at will. Using a basic aircraft design, specialised air spikes (similar to those used in conjunction with PDWE) instead of pushing air away, pull it towards the SABRE engines, and around the wing. VTOL capability has been sacrificed for the ability to enter space, and a long runway is needed for it to operate. There are several canisters of liquid oxygen, protected by Triad armour, that provide oxygen for forays into space, plus as an attitude controller once in space. CO2 scrubbers remove excess Carbon Dioxide and prevent loss of consciousness for the pilot.

High heat resistance materials are incorporated into the Triad armour on the outside of the aircraft to deal with the high temperatures of re-entry, also allowing high speed entry and subsequent suprise afforded thus. External mounts are unavailable as this would change the structure of the aircraft and cause damage upon re-entry.

The SABRE engines will gather fuel from the atmosphere (such as oxygen etc), which it can then store for later parts of the flight. This design doesn't allow for prolonged periods of time in space, just a quick breach into space, then back again fairly quickly, thereby preventing the majority of the condensed fuel from evaporating away. Once re-entry has occured, the aircraft will require a moderate amount of time in the atmosphere to gather enough fuel for exit to space, though at the speed the aircraft will be travelling at, at that moment in time there should be enough time before any enemy aircraft reach you.

Designed by: Phoenixius
Function: AOA bomber
Crew: 2
Length: 40m
Width: 20m
Height: 5.5m
Ceiling (normal flight): 30,000m
Thrust: 100,000 lbs
Max Speed (SABRE): Mach 10
Max Speed: Mach 3
Supercruise: Mach 2
Weapons:
6x MTG-03
2x MTM-01
1x MTG-01 A
Systems:
Archangel G-IV
PHBVS G-III
EMPPS
PDCS G-II
APS
PMAS G-II

Cost: $500mil

Angelonisia has decided to buy:
2 MTA-B01 Icicle equipped with wraith technology

What is the price, the money will be wired upon pricing is received

Is there any reason for the released footage showing a SR-71, which has distinctly different statistics from your own, ah... Development? If it actually exists, that is. Lack of actual, verifable footage suggests the opposite.

~ The Giggling Engineer, Magazine, rhetorical questions

Angelonsia, your order is confirmed - the price will be $1.2bil ($600mil each)

Der Angst, I just liked the picture - am I not allowed to use pictures I like? Besides, its whats inside that counts.

Der Angst, I just liked the picture - am I not allowed to use pictures I like? Besides, its whats inside that counts.Well, it's kinda like doing this:

BUY THE BRAND-NEW F-16 FIGHTING FALCON!
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P51/p-51-NWM.jpg

I find it a tad silly.

Why have you converted an SR71 Blackbird to be a hypersoar bomber?

There are several canisters of liquid oxygen, protected by Triad armour, that provide oxygen for forays into spaceLOx is a little cold for breathing...

High heat resistance materials are incorporated into the Triad armour on the outside of the aircraft to deal with the high temperatures of re-entry, also allowing high speed entry and subsequent suprise afforded thus.It's not the speed, it's the angle.

just a quick breach into space, then back again fairly quickly, thereby preventing the majority of the condensed fuel from evaporating away. :confused:

Once re-entry has occured, the aircraft will require a moderate amount of time in the atmosphere to gather enough fuel for exit to space,Um... Oxygen isn't fuel. It's used to burn fuel. Unless you're hiding a solid-fuel rocket booster on there somewhere...

Function: AOA bomberWhile I realise the SR-71 is slick looking, it really doesn't have room for a chain gun, let alone bombs...

Max Speed (SABRE): Mach 10That's not enough to leave atmosphere...

Cost: $500milWaaaaaaaaaay too cheap.

Provided, of course, that this thing could actually work.

OOC:your ship stats are nice....but the pic has showed me a weakness.



the wings are of the delta formation....that means you get great speed and the loss of manoverability.

that also means that the bomber is useless at low alttitued...as it has to be high up to be at its most effective.Meaning that it is easier to intercept.


in the real world that is no problem....but in NS alot of people have faster and more manoverable fighters that can go just as high.

delta wings are useless in NS for fighter and/or bombers.

OOC: Jesus you guys. I had a thread asking people for things that they thought were wrong with this, and people replied. This is the outcome of that thread, after I asked everyone if they thought it was ready. As for the pic, if you guys really are that inflexible, I should have a different picture coming soon, if the guy will draw it up.

Der Angst: Yeah, maybe its like that, except I'm using an aircraft that actually looks good. See above.

LOx is a little cold for breathing...
Well, obviously it'll be warmed up first.

It's not the speed, it's the angle.
Very well, but my point still stands - it'll help re0entry be a little bit faster.

AS for the oxygen evaporating quote, someone said that in space the liquid O2 would evaporate - I didn't really understand this as it would be in a sealed contained, but in it went.

Um... Oxygen isn't fuel. It's used to burn fuel. Unless you're hiding a solid-fuel rocket booster on there somewhere...
Yeah, but in the link to the SABRE engines, it stated that it harvested the fue lfrom the air or something.

While I realise the SR-71 is slick looking, it really doesn't have room for a chain gun, let alone bombs...
Except the SR-71 is 20 odd m long, and this is twice that. ALso see the first bit.

That's not enough to leave atmosphere...
I disagree - I read somewhere about spacecraft that could be in the works, that Mach 10 would be able to send them into space.

[quote]Waaaaaaaaaay too cheap.[quote]
Fair enough - how much do you think it should be?

Morvonia: See the first thing above. Besides, who has a MT fighter that can go around Mach 5? Which is probably what this thing will be doing once it gets back in the atmosphere.

OOC: Jesus you guys. I had a thread asking people for things that they thought were wrong with this, and people replied.Sorry. I missed it. Don't read every thread, after all...

Well, obviously it'll be warmed up first.Not listed, but where are you pulling the energy to warm it? Of course, more importantly, how are you keeping it at ~-250C in atmosphere?

AS for the oxygen evaporating quote, someone said that in space the liquid O2 would evaporate - I didn't really understand this as it would be in a sealed contained, but in it went.Unlikely. Ambiant temp in space is single-digit K. Oxygen's melting point is ~54K; its boiling point is ~90K. While I'm not a chemist or aerospace engineer, I'm not sure how it's going to get into a gaseous state and then evaporate in space.

Yeah, but in the link to the SABRE engines, it stated that it harvested the fue lfrom the air or something.This is the problem with listing specific systems that you don't understand. See above points on LOx.

Except the SR-71 is 20 odd m long, and this is twice that. ALso see the first bit.What, this?Weapons:
6x MTG-03
2x MTM-01
1x MTG-01 AI dunno... doubling the length, adding numerous new systems and abilities makes it seem like you're still gonna have no room. Certainly not room for 9 weapon systems. Of course, I've never heard of any of these, so it's hard to say how much room they'll take; I assume they're listed elsewhere in the forum.

I disagree - I read somewhere about spacecraft that could be in the works, that Mach 10 would be able to send them into space.Heh. "Somewhere".

Escape velocity is roughly 11km/s, unless you're in low Earth orbit already (9000km). Mach 10 is 3.4km/s. Unless these mystery spacecraft are able to change Earth's gravity, I think you're stuck at being far too slow. Assuming that you're in LEO, you need Mach 22.

Assuming you can't get that high, you're looking at roughly Mach 34.

Fair enough - how much do you think it should be?Well, a B-2 costs $2.1 Billion, and it doesn't go into space...

sephrioth would like to buy the production rights
ic genreal asuka akuras we are in need of a decent space bomber to replace the venerable dragon space bomber
ooc can thes be carried on space carriers

OOC: Ok, maybe some of the points are a bit baseless, but still - I don't care.

For the 11km/s escape velocity - thats for just the initial velocity form sea level - do you really think that current rockets reach that? COnstant force/acceleration will be enough to conteract the 11km/s initial velocity.

Heat will come form the engines - I think they might be hot enough after getting up there, don't you?

Keeping oxygen liquid? Well keep it under high pressure of course.

IC:

Sephrioth, your order has been thrown away - we don;t like you after you messed up The Unforgiven/The New COmmonwealth

For the 11km/s escape velocity - thats for just the initial velocity form sea level - do you really think that current rockets reach that? COnstant force/acceleration will be enough to conteract the 11km/s initial velocity.Did you miss where I pointed at that at an altitude of 9000km (Low Earth Orbit), Mach 10 is less than half the needed velocity?

LEO is more like 200km. 9000km is Medium Earth Orbit, and is high enough that there is no protection against the Sun's radiation from the Earths magnetic field.
Escape velocity is the velocity needed to leave the Earth forever, e.g. if you wanted to travel to the Moon\planets. Orbital velocity is 9km/s.

Really though, I think an SSTO that carrys enough fuel to reach orbit twice without refuelling is a extremely far fetched. Noone has even managed to build an SSTO that reaches orbit once, let alone that can go up, deorbit, fly around in the atmosphere then fly back into orbit. It's going to need to be huge, or powered by Unobtainium.