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The United Imperial Assembly has moved a motion to declare war on the Empire of Ankhmet. The President is giving a speech right now...

The President, Frederick von Hattensberg, mounts a podium which has the Imperial Flag on the back. He begins. "My fellow Imperials. For months, or maybe an entire year the Pax Rosanica has benefitted the Union. Our coffers has grown, our armies re-equipped and re-vitilized, and ourselves happy. But there comes a time when the international matters more then the national, and this is that time. In the years that the Island of Rose and then the Imperial Union became internationalist, stupid things have happened. And we have ignored them."

A pause. "But now, the entire military might of the Imperial Union, in specifically the Imperial Republic of The Island of Rose, is to be mobilized. The entire Armada except for the Defence Fleet. The entire Army except for a few divisions. My friends, we are declaring war on Ankhmet. This is not a war of occupation, this is a war of destruction, a war against idiocy, because only an idiot can claim to rule the world."

He sips from a glass of water. "As I speak the United Imperial Armada of The Island of Rose is gathering in the international waters of Europe, and the Army is preparing themselves for a future invasion. If the Empire of Ankhmet wishes to stop this, all they have to do is renounce their claim to the World, if not, they will die.... all of them. Thank you and good night."

In other news, a recent poll has shown 67% of the Imperial Union believes the events of the world is stupid, the rest think "nuke them all and let God deal with them"...

(Anything I missed?)

The Theocratic Chemicalists of Jenrak urges to the Island of Rose not to use a declaration of war, nor to invade to destroy. This certain M.A.D. atmosphere is simply unneeded, and could be damaging to economies tied into both nations.
-Lord of Commerce, Drakthaz

OOC: Pardon me, but what tech level are you using? Anything higher than MT and you'll get pwned by INGORE cannons.

OOC: Pardon me, but what tech level are you using? Anything higher than MT and you'll get pwned by INGORE cannons.
[OOC: Rose is modern tech, but since Akhmet is both MT and FT I hardly see how it matters.]

Yes I am in fact modern tech, I am also very sexy.

OOC:
[OOC: Rose is modern tech, but since Akhmet is both MT and FT I hardly see how it matters.]

Ankhmet claims his doctrine concerns MT nations only.

Yes I am in fact modern tech, I am also very sexy.

OOC: Oh ya. I'll agree on that fact.

IC:

Jenrak is corporately tied to Ankhmet, which is one of the reasons why we have not resorted to war against them. So, we ask to the Island of Rose that, should they not heed our advice, that they give us plausible time to withdraw our companies, before we lose too much money in this.

OOC: Oh ya. I'll agree on that fact.

IC:

Jenrak is corporately tied to Ankhmet, which is one of the reasons why we have not resorted to war against them. So, we ask to the Island of Rose that, should they not heed our advice, that they give us plausible time to withdraw our companies, before we lose too much money in this.

Official Statement from The Imperial Union

The Imperial Union will not attack any foreign companies, also mobilization of the whole of the Imperial Armed Forces takes awhile, so you will be allowed to remove all assets. I am surprised you are not confident that your ally will protect those companies, clearly a subtle way of showing Ankhmet's position in the world. Also, we have never traded with them, thus we have no foreign assets in the country. Anyway, have fun.

Wilhem von Sturben
First Sea Lord of The United Imperial Armada
Chancellor of Defence

Imperial Response

Accordingly, we will not be making decisions on who's side we are closer to, and we expect all to respect our complete neutrality, ensuring our right to free trade through war zones without convoy protection, and should one of our ships be sunk by any party, we expect full compensation for what was lost. It is also to say that Kriegzimmer reserves the right to sell armaments to parties of all sides, and it reserves the right to protect armament convoys.

Fedor I

Trusting something in such an untrustworthy world is detrimental to success and ultimately, profit. But on another note, we thank the Imperial Union for listening to our advice, and will begin evacuation of all corporate property before forces are mobilized, we hope.

We would just like to tell the False Empire of Ankhmet that perhaps their rediculous statements have finally come around to them, and now they will face a foe alone, giving them no right to ignore this invitation to war.
-Lord of Commerce, Drakthaz

Message from the High Command

The High Command is willing to dispatch forces to assist your nation in its endeavours, although our force will be a relativly small force in comparrisson to your own, this field of conflict serves mainly as a testing ground for new Corporate weaponry.

The High Command

[Oh, will you lot stop it? I have not claimed the world, and I have already explained what this means. So you can all just sod off and die in an electrical fire.]

Can you link me to the explanation? I have an excuse here, I was absent for awhile. And no need to be so rude...

[Oh, will you lot stop it? I have not claimed the world, and I have already explained what this means. So you can all just sod off and die in an electrical fire.]

OOC: No.

[Goddamnit, you people have deliberately chosen to misunderstand this.]

OOC:EXACTLY! It is called propoganda you know...

[Goddamnit, you people have deliberately chosen to misunderstand this.]

[OOC: No, I haven't the Corporation doesn't care what the war is about, it wants to field test some new weapons, the Corporation just saw "Declares War" and saw it as a good opportunity]

[Goddamnit, you people have deliberately chosen to misunderstand this.]

And I keep asking for an explanation...

[Actually, it's called propaganda.]

And I keep asking for an explanation...

[The Executive Order was thought up as a method of defense. If a small nation started making threats, brandishing it's national balls then the executive order would give ankhmet some kind of legal basis for going in and sorting things out. Secondly, it's a way of allowing me to get my troops into countries that support terrorist movements or far-right governments.]

Ah... well, I, my Government, and the rest of the World understood it as unmoderated imperialism against smaller nations... that's how you showed it.

OOC:You do relise that this so called 'defensive tactic' will actually put your nation more at risk then NOT having it? And it may be a 'legal precedent' in YOUR nation, but not in the international community.

[Yes. I was baiting those who quietly dislike me in the international community, drawing them out. I now have a decent list.

EDIT: To clear that up, I meant in an IC way.]

Ah... well then. This is an awkward situation...

Ah... well then. This is an awkward situation...
OOC: Just kill him, please!!!!!!!

OOC: Gonna leave this to TIOR, or bickering

OOC: Just kill him, please!!!!!!!

[This is the crap I have to put up with for coming up with an original idea. Bravo, Silver Sky, bravo. You too Borman.]

[This is the crap I have to put up with for coming up with an original idea. Bravo, Silver Sky, bravo. You too Borman.]

Actually... Decisive Action did it first.

[This is the crap I have to put up with for coming up with an original idea. Bravo, Silver Sky, bravo. You too Borman.]

OOC: Then tone down your original ideas first.

[This is the crap I have to put up with for coming up with an original idea. Bravo, Silver Sky, bravo. You too Borman.]

OOC: Meh, you forced my hand. My nation truthfully did like your nation and respect it, but you made it look like imperialism against nations, including my allies, and so I had to stop it.

Plus my nation is far right.

[This is the crap I have to put up with for coming up with an original idea. Bravo, Silver Sky, bravo. You too Borman.]
OOC: Actually, I had an IC reason to not like you before, you're an enemy of my ally, Space Union, and THEN you try to claim my country, the first reason is one of the reasons why I resigned from the UNA, and the second one just pissed me off.

[Actually, Hitler also came up with an original idea - gassing jews, gays and Jehova Witnesses, and look what happened to him, so don't feel sad Ankhmet. Just, if you're going to come out with an 'original idea' deal with the consequences of what it means in NS politics. There are people out there that just land crazy, and this gives them a perfect opportunity to strike, and you have no reason to ignore them because of that - that's NS politics, and you have to live with it.]

OOC: Then tone down your original ideas first.

[NO! I'm not going to bow against the pressure of a few pathetic nations who can stand the idea of being challenged!

EDIT: Nice of you to jump to the conclusion I'm going to start gassing minorities. I'm supposed to be a jackass? Surely the person who makes an unfounded (if indirect) accusation of nazism is crossing the line to jackassville a bit?]

[This is the crap I have to put up with for coming up with an original idea. Bravo, Silver Sky, bravo. You too Borman.]

[I actually Give props to you, you had the guts to go ahead and do it, regardless of the risk of being dogpiled, which it appears you were... and it is nice to see some origonal stuff here]

Dogpiled? Oh great... I won't attack if he has no allies or nobody protecting him. Ahk, I'll fight you one on one. Imma retire TIOR so I might as well have one workable war. Or, I can just retcon, I have my morals.

OOC: Actually, I had an IC reason to not like you before, you're an enemy of my ally, Space Union, and THEN you try to claim my country, the first reason is one of the reasons why I resigned from the UNA, and the second one just pissed me off.

OOC: Not to hijack, but you never did reply to any of my IC, OOC, or TG questions asking why you quit.

[NO! I'm not going to bow against the pressure of a few pathetic nations who can stand the idea of being challenged!

OOC: A few? There's quite a bit already.

Dogpiled? Oh great... I won't attack if he has no allies or nobody protecting him. Ahk, I'll fight you one on one. Imma retire TIOR so I might as well have one workable war. Or, I can just retcon, I have my morals.


No way. I'm already fighting a war in New Sans, and I have a dogpile hanging over my head.

Dogpiled? Oh great... I won't attack if he has no allies or nobody protecting him. Ahk, I'll fight you one on one. Imma retire TIOR so I might as well have one workable war. Or, I can just retcon, I have my morals.

[I wasn't talking about this thread, I was talking about his actual Doctrine thread, The last time i saw it, it had 3 pages, now its got like 17, and that was yesterday i think, Sorry, when your this tired, the days just seem to blur into one long week]

OOC: Ankhmet, I don't think Macabees was accusing you of commiting genocide, your jumping to conclusions and getting Really hostile for no reason.

Like Mac said, you gotta accept the NS political consequences.

[What he said was incredibly loaded. He was associating me with nazism, however indirectly!]

[NO! I'm not going to bow against the pressure of a few pathetic nations who can stand the idea of being challenged!

EDIT: Nice of you to jump to the conclusion I'm going to start gassing minorities. I'm supposed to be a jackass? Surely the person who makes an unfounded (if indirect) accusation of nazism is crossing the line to jackassville a bit?]

[The person crossing the line into jackassville is you. Did you expect people to be happy with your doctrine? Did you expect people to be docile? Next time you make an original idea I suggest you make it less imperialistic if you want to save yourself from a dogpile.

As Borman was saying, I wasn't accusing you of genocide, I was accusing you of not accepting the consequences of your 'original idea'.]

Dogpiled? Oh great... I won't attack if he has no allies or nobody protecting him. Ahk, I'll fight you one on one. Imma retire TIOR so I might as well have one workable war. Or, I can just retcon, I have my morals.

^

[If people had read my explanations, this stupid agression would be unnecessary.]

[If people had read my explanations, this stupid agression would be unnecessary.]

Well, when it came out people didn't know, so you can't really expect them to be like it. Plus, it wouldn't be public knowledge ICly.

[If people had read my explanations, this stupid agression would be unnecessary.]

[But, it's not stupid agression. It's the fact that many people have been looking for reasons to get into the war, and you provided them with one. That's NationStates politics, and that's what you have to live with.]

[But, it's not stupid agression. It's the fact that many people have been looking for reasons to get into the war, and you provided them with one. That's NationStates politics, and that's what you have to live with.]

Thus the reason I joined to have a rebellion, to provide a war for people while not having a this whole mess.

And I still am ignored...

[Pretty much.]

[Pretty much.]

Right then, war one on one or retcone?

[Yes. I was baiting those who quietly dislike me in the international community, drawing them out. I now have a decent list.

EDIT: To clear that up, I meant in an IC way.]
You do realize that by doing this, you're making far more enemies than you can handle, correct?

[Oh, will you lot stop it? I have not claimed the world, and I have already explained what this means. So you can all just sod off and die in an electrical fire.]
And you can knock it off with the insults. Immediately. Anything else similar to that response will justify an official warning against you, so watch what you say.

[I'm not the first to say something similar. I'm only human. I get incredibly angry at people who just refuse to listen. But hey, punish people for being human. That's fair.]

OOC: Ankhmet, you want me to just delete my response and communique to TIOR?

(IN light of one on one thing and all)

[I'm not the first to say something similar. I'm only human. I get incredibly angry at people who just refuse to listen. But hey, punish people for being human. That's fair.]

[[b]Unfortunately,[b] for you at least, you're the one that seems to refuse to listen. I protected your case when others ignored you, and now I'm protecting others when you decide to ignore them. The hypocracy on your part is rather blatant, and I'm just pointing it out without being too rude, or too obscene.]

OOC: Wow, here I was expecting to finally see TIOR go to war again, and all we get is OOC bickering.....

OOC: Wow, here I was expecting to finally see TIOR go to war again, and all we get is OOC bickering.....
[OOC: What else is new? And if this is gonna be 1v1 I'll go ahead and delete all my OOC post.

OOC: Wow, here I was expecting to finally see TIOR go to war again, and all we get is OOC bickering.....

I'm waiting whether Ahk here wants to go to war... I sure do.

[Sorry. I'm already facing a war within, and a dogpile without.

EDIT:Okay Macabees, I'm an evil hypocrite. Blah blah blah, I refuse to listen to everything!Blah blah blah!]

Alright, this has degenerated into...yeah, OOC bickering. I'm gonna delete my IC stuff and get out of the way here.

Bah... no glorious war? Ah well, ignore all of this then. Thus my legacy dies with the wind, in a flicker...

That SUCKS!

Lock it.

[OOC: Ankhmet regardless of your intentions, your "declaration" has in fact made a lot of the world angry with you, and it has caused several nations (probably mistakenly since they only have a few posts) to join your Empire. I can understand your annoyance at being misinterpretted, but at this point you should:

1) Withdraw your original statement.

2) Clarify your original statement so that it only applies to terrorist nations / nations that attack yuor allies.

3) Sue for peace with TIoR.

4) Go to war with TIoR.

I think 1 or 2 would be preferable, but if you arent going to do either of those then TIoR is perfectly justified in prosecuting this war. In any case, can we all calm down (especially you, Ankhmet) and everyone at least make an effort to save this RP from OOC flamefest and ignore.]