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ooc: Yes, I'm lazy. VERY lazy. And right now, my laziness, coupled with my school schedule, is making decent design impossible. That's the reason for this thread.

From the MP Ordnance Corp. Website:

MP Ordnance Corporation is offering up to 8 trillion USD in contracts for airplane designs. Why? Because the boys and girls down in the R&D labs are currently on a well deserved and extremely long vacation, and are obviously not designing anything. So the company executives are holding a design contest for the following aircraft items. But first the general rules.

Rules (ooc):
*I get all production rights. Period. This is not negotiable.
*I will modify your design to my liking. If you don't want me modifying it? Tough.
*All the designs must be new, not rehashments of previous designs.
*All product requirements must be met in full.
*Only serious designs will be considered.
*Cost is no real matter unless it's ridculous, or I think you're gouging me.
*I will buy from anybody, regardless of background.

Products:
1) An Interceptor:
Requirements:
*Must hit at least a Mach 3 max speed, the higher the speed, the better.
*Must be able to climb at least 50,000 ft. per minute
*Must be able to take off from a carrier and land on one too.
*Must have the shortest takeoff distance possible, VTOL is preferred.
*Must be able to carry and fire 4m long SCRAMJET based anti-hypersoar missiles.

2)A Heavy Fighter
Requirements:
*Must be able to handle at least as many G-loads as the F-78 Strakhen Sokol II.
*Must have at least a 2,000 mile combat radius without drop tanks.
*Must carry all weapons internally.
*Must have some stealth features.
*Must have an advanced avionics system
*Must have shortest take off and landing distance possible
*Must be able to be converted to a fighter-bomber or naval bomber easily.

3)A Heavy Bomber
*Must carry at least 40,000 kg of ordnance
*Must carry at least
*Must be relatively stealthy
*Must be faster than B-1B Lancer
*Must have some sort of defenses against fighters and SAMs
*Must be able to slow down in order to circle the battlefield.

4) Naval Bomber
*Must be able to deliver at least 3x 24in.torpedos
*Must be able to take off from and land on a large fleet carrier.
*Must be VERY stealthy and/or fast.
*Must have some sort of SAM or fighter defense.

Well, that's all the products we'll be needing. Now get to designing. The prize for each product is $2 trillion, so get to designing, and fast. May the best corporation win.

MAy i interest you with this.. It's my own design.

Primary Function: Stealth Fighter, air dominance

Contractor: SAAB
Crew: Model JAS-45A will carry one crewperson
Powerplant
Two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines (155.69 kN / 35,000 lb st with afterburning each)

Dimensions
Length: 62 ft 1 inch
Wingspan: 44 ft 6 inches
Height: 16 ft 5 inches
Weights:
45,000 lb (20,411 kg) class
81,000 lb (36,700 kg) max gross takeoff
Maximum Takeoff: 60,000 lb (27216 kg)

Performance
Speed Mach 2 class
Ceiling: 50,000 ft (15240 m)
Range: ferry range with drop tanks more than 2,879 or 3,570 miles; 4633 or 5745 km

Armament
One internal M61A2 20-mm cannon, three internal weapons bays, underside bay for four AIM-120A AMRAAMs and two lateral intake bays each with two AIM-9M sidewinder AAMs. Revised bays for 1,000 lb JDAMs replacing two AIM-120s and AIM-9X AAMs. Four underwing stores stations with provision for two AGM-137A Tri-Service Standoff Arrack Missiles and / or fuel tanks.

JAS-45 Eagle achivements
The JAS-45 has the ability to cruise at supersonic speeds.
The Eagle will be the leading Swedish air-to-air fighter of the new century.

UNIT COST: 15 Million
RIGHTS COST: 750 Million or more

Images: (i've made em')
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/Swedish_Dominions/JAS-45.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/Swedish_Dominions/JAS-451.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/Swedish_Dominions/JAS-452.jpg

Ok for the fighter category we now have the JAS-45A contending.

Dear Sirs:

I believe we can be off assistance - please check with our store front at Design-A-Plane (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441063), we may have something already in stock that you need, if not, we can design something special just for you. - our planes are typically designed with our customer's desire to add custom touches and systems of their own - we provide all specs, plans, etc. with a working basic model for you to go into production with at your own facilities. Exclusive production rights can be arranged as well.

Sincerely,
Orbille Rite
Design-A-Plane, Ltd.

[TAG for later posting of the heavy fighter. I'm going to make two seperate variations, one for yourself, which you can name, and one to replace my seriously underwritten Lu-05 design.]

Dear Sirs:

I believe we can be off assistance - please check with our store front at Design-A-Plane (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441063), we may have something already in stock that you need, if not, we can design something special just for you. - our planes are typically designed with our customer's desire to add custom touches and systems of their own - we provide all specs, plans, etc. with a working basic model for you to go into production with at your own facilities. Exclusive production rights can be arranged as well.

Sincerely,
Orbille Rite
Design-A-Plane, Ltd.

That's great. However, we do not wish to pay for the royalty costs, due to the massive upfront payment that we're offering.

(ooc i could post as fighter spec... buuut... some of the tech may be a bit post mod is that ok ?)

ooc: TFU, just try to stay relatively modern.

That's great. However, we do not wish to pay for the royalty costs, due to the massive upfront payment that we're offering.

We would be willing to dispense with the per plane royalty costs based on you willingness to extend larger than required up front payments. Do any of the designs currently offered fit your needs or do you need a new design?

OOC: I can whip a new plane later this evening if you want.

F-96 Talon
Engines: 2 Union & Aerospace SJT-17 class engines, with vectored thrust, 40,000 lb of thrust each
Stealth mode: 550 KPH
Cruise speed: mach 2.5
Super cruise Mach 3.5
Max Speed: Mach 5.65 (at high altitude)
Length: 12 meters
Wingspan: 10 meters
Max Range: 2,500 nautical miles; unlimited with air refueling
Basic Armament: six Internal AIM 260 Super sidewinder Air to air missiles, one Nose mounted Twenty millimeter Vulcan cannon, External pylons can be mounted but will reduce the speed and maneuverability of the aircraft. These Pylons can mount an additional 6 AIM 260 super sidewinder missiles, or other heavy air to air combat ordinances.
Weight: 45,800 lbs. (max. takeoff)
Crew: 1 pilot
Maneuverability: Pitch 150 degrees in 2.3 Seconds, roll 360, in 2.1 seconds, Yaw 360 Degrees , In 2.2 Seconds
Additional systems:
Advanced ECM, IR, and RADAR
Also equipped with next generation RAM, and a HUD, witch can track hundreds of targets at a single time

Other general statistics:
Ceiling 50 Miles its new RAM in stealth speed can refract about 75% of radar.
Also equipped with a state of the art integrated electronics package

ooc: Mauiowee, whip up a plane and post it on this thread if you can.

I would like to submit this: The F-76 Liberator Advanced Air Superiority Fighter (AASF).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9477719&postcount=1

We are willing to offer you the domestic version.

Also could you give me the specs for the F-78?

One more note, if this doesn't satisfy you, we have another aircraft coming out called the Mish-11 also known as the F-79 Skygod in my air force. It expands on the F-76 while also adding many features.

::: Encrypted Message :::

Dear Sirs:
We believe the following aircraft will meet your needs for a strike fighter. We have designated the design as the Seagull (you are of course, should you purchase the production rights, free to re-name it). Specifications on the basic model are below, followed with our design team CAD representations. If you accept our offer, we will provide you with all engineering plans and specifications for your exclusive use (we won't even manufacture the plane for our nation's useage). We will also supply you with a base model consistent with all of the below specifications for your examination and use as a guide in your manufacture of the craft. Also, we guarrantee that the plane will perform as promised and designed or your money back. Furthermore, the plane will be ready to accomodate any and all other electronic components and/or defensive measures you wish to install. Our price for the above, without a per plane royalty right and an unlimited licence on production of the aircraft along with a waiver of inspection and audit privileges will be $100 Billion. The plane is fast, has superior stealth engineering with a low RCS (even fully loaded on ext. hardpoints the RCS will approximate that of a seagull - hence the name) and a long range - it is also versitale as you will see when reviewing the below design specifications. Please contact us if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
Wilberforce Rite,
Director of Sales & Support,
Design-a-Plane, Ltd.

P.S. We will require a total non-disclosure agreement on our patented poly-silicate RAM coating and nitrogen/air exhaust cooling system.

cc: Orbille Rite, Director, Stealth R&D

Specifications

Class: Stealth Fighter
Model Name: Seagull
Base Model Parameters:
Length: 49.75 ft.
Wingspan: 58 ft.
Height: 16 ft., 5 in.
Powerplant: 2 W.M.D., Inc. ST-4300FJ engines producing 43,000 lbs. of thrust each
Top Speed: Mach 3.4 (unladen) - Mach 3.2 at max take off weight
Crew: 1 (2 optional)
Max. Lift-off Weight: 55,600 lbs.
G-Force Cababilities: 8.25 g's
Climb Rate: 45,000 ft/min
Max Range: 2,100 miles w/o drop tanks (up to 3,000 w/ drop tanks)
Ceiling: 56,000 ft.
Empty Weight: 27,100 lbs
External Hard Points: 8 (10 optional with removal of wing mount 30 mm guns) - wing tip points can accomodate drop fuel tanks to extend range. Missile configurations per hard point are optional as follows: 1) Wingtip accomodates 1 large missile or drop tanks; 2) Underwing accomodate 1 - 4 missiles depending upon size and weight; and 3) under carriage hardpoints accomodate 1-2 missiles dependent upon size (i.e. max missile load = 22 - two on wingtips, 16 underwing and 4 undercarriage {delete wing mounted 30 mm chain guns and add up to 8 more missiles on optional exterior hard point for a max total of 30 missiles}) - SCRAMJET missile/anti-super soar missile capable (requires liquid oxygen & Kerosene fueled missile engine on missile w/ computer aided satellite guidance missile for extra-atmospheric operations) - no more than one missile per ext. hard point with no wingtip hardpoint ability
Interior Bays: None
Construction: Samuri Folded, "20 sided die," Ceramic Titanium alloy w/ advanced poly-silicate RAM coating
VTOL: Yes
Carrier Capable: Yes
Thrust Vectoring: full 360 degrees at 90 degrees/6.5 sec. at max speed (i.e. at max speed I can go from from perfectly horizontal flight to pefectly vertical flight in 6.5 seconds - likewise from perfectly North to perfectly east or west, etc.)
Payload: 26,500 lbs
Armament:
20mm vulcan cannon (2) on forward "winglets"
30 mm chain gun (2) on wings (optional, remove to obtain additional ext. hardpoint) with 20 mm gun synchronic or independent operation
Special Notes re: design/stealth abilities:
1. Advanced poly-silicate RAM (Radar Absorbant Material) coating on entire plane;
2. triangulated openings and re-entrant wing design with 34 degree or less angles on all surfaces;
3. Liquid nitrogen and ambient air cooling for exhaust gases;
4. "Self-shading" gold film, bullet proof, cockpit glass,
5. Matte heavy gray and black coloring.
6. 100 point radar detection capability with return signal masking (i.e. 100 points on the plane will detect a radar "tag" and broadcast a radar signal that cancels the radar frequency return detected by the detection point(s))
Other Systems:
1. HUD display
2. Rendundant controls (for 2nd crewman)
3. "Fly-by-Wire" systems
4. Laser, radar and thermal targeting systems with AI computer coordination (i.e. on board computer compares radar, laser and thermally identified target coordinates and targets onboard guns/missiles at the "right" target and eliminates or reduces the effects of flares, chaff, etc.)
5. GPS enabled navigation system
6. Radar chaff & HSM flare systems
7. "Astronaut Gel," 60 degree, computer controlled, adjustable pilot seat position for G-force comfort and capabilities.
8. SAM capabilities for rapid carrier deployment
9. LCD touch screen (6) pilot controls for systems and weapons
10. Auto-sense pilot distress systems
Other systems as designated by builder
Estimated base unit cost: $110 million USD each (average, depending on deployed and deleted systems and armaments, not including missile costs).


Undercarriage & Edge on wire frame model
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9463/bottomview9vi.jpg

Top View & Overhead wire frame model
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4664/topview9vb.jpg

Side View
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3125/sideview6gf.jpg

MP Ordnance Corp. Official Statement:

The Stealth Fighter contract has been fufilled by Design a Plane Ltd. Transfer of the funds ($2 trillion) will start now.

MP Ordnance Corp. will modify the plane to suit its own needs later. (It'll show up in this thread.)

ooc: Mauiwowee, that plane pwns hard. Awesome job.

MP Ordnance Corp. Official Statement:

The Stealth Fighter contract has been fufilled by Design a Plane Ltd. Transfer of the funds ($2 trillion) will start now.

MP Ordnance Corp. will modify the plane to suit its own needs later. (It'll show up in this thread.)

ooc: Mauiwowee, that plane pwns hard. Awesome job.

To: MP Ordnance Corp
From: Design-a-Plane, Ltd.
RE: Seagull

Sirs:
We are pleased our design meets your needs and acknowledge receipt of the funds. All specifications for the aircraft are enclosed along with the completed contracts. The "demo model" will be ready for delivery and testing within 30 days. It has been a pleasure doing business with you.
Sincerely,
Orbille Rite

OOC: Thanks, glad you liked it. - If you want I can send you the RCCAd file or a VRML file - other pictures and angles/views can be arranged too, just let me know.

First id like to know how your aircraft is so fast with all that heavy weaponry on it, it would not be very maneuverable, with the amount of armament you described. Number two your entire idea of stealth is flawed or seems to be, your aircraft has a lot of external armament that would compromise stealth in such a way your aircraft Shouldn’t be stealthy at all. Number Three the design of your air craft is aerodynamically unsound it wouldn’t work. Very well and I doubt your aircraft would be that fast mainly because of the armament but also because of the design


In fact I have some pictures here : ( http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/images/F22.jpg )_
As you can see the F-22 dose not have any External armament any one wonders why ? it’s a stealth air superiority fighter the word Stealth being emphasized, my plane has every thing internally even though I did not state its nose cannon as retractable it is ill have to edit that later..

The Government of Bradyistan would like to submit a joint design with Mauiwowee for the Bomber design.



B-80 "Wraith"
Airframe and Engines produced by WMD Inc of Mauiwowee


Type: Super-Sonic "steath" heavy bomber

Crew:
-Core Crew of 3 (Pilot, Co-pilot, Bombardier)
--Recommened Crew of 5 (Pilot, Co-pilot, Bombardier, Navigator, Flight Engineer

Models:
-Block 10 (Older weapons systems, can only drop unguided conventional and nucular weapons, mainly used as a trainer)
--Block 20 (Newest and greatest systems, compatible with any weapon in the Bradyistani Arsenal)

Engines:
-4 W.M.D., Inc. LRB -8010SC engines producing 42,500 lbs. of thrust each

Construction:
-"Honeycombed," Plastisicized, Ceramic Titanium alloy w/ spent uranium cockpit and emergency fuel tank (1,000 mile max range supply) protection

Performance:
Max Speed: Mach 1.2
Climb Rate: 16,545ft/m
Service Ceiling: 65000ft
Weight at empty: 280,500lbs
Max Takeoff: 490,500lbs
Max Range: 8100 miles (Refueling gives unlimited range)
AAR capible: Yes, all versions
Carrier Capible: No

Demensions:
-Length: 149 ft
--Height: 17 ft
---Wingspan: 140 ft

Arms:
-55,000 pounds of muitions stored in Internal weapon bays under the wings
--Total of 4 Weapons Bays
---Nuclear, Conventional, and Precision weapons capible

Systems:
AN/APR-50 - Radar Analysis and Warning System
AN/AAB-1 - Infrared Bombing Equipment
AN/AAQ-7 - Laser Rangefinder System
AN/AAR-56 - Missile Launch Detection System
AN/AAT-2 - Laser Designator (block 20 only)
AN/APX-108 - IFF Transponder
AN/ARN-151 - GPS (Global Positioning System) Navigation Set
AN/ASB-9 - Bombing/Navigation System
AN/ALE-48 - Chaff Dispenser
AN/ALE-49 - Flare Dispenser

Special Notes re: Stealth features: RAM (Radar Absorbing Material) stealth coating, Liquid Nitrogen cooled engine gas exhausts, 34 degree or less angles on all surfaces - In addition to the standard stealth features, such as RAM covering, lack of angled surfaces, heat shielding and liquid nitrogen cooled exhaust porting, and standard tri-angulated openings, etc. Our stealth planes use our patened ionized plasma technology to absorb and/or scatter incoming radar and enhance stealth capabilities. As you might expect, it is important that this technology not be disseminated outside your highest levels of government. On the Wraith bombers, the ionized plasma forms around the forward "winglets," the leading edges of the engine air intakes and the trailing edges of the tail rudders - the areas our testing identified as the ones most likely to return a positive radar signal. Our testing indicates that with standard radar, despite the size of the plane, the average radar signal return to an operator is about the same radar return he would receive had the radar picked up a return from something similar to a small, single seat, single engine fighter.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/Aces21/ghoststealthbomber5ex.jpg

First id like to know how your aircraft is so fast with all that heavy weaponry on it, it would not be very maneuverable, with the amount of armament you described. Number two your entire idea of stealth is flawed or seems to be, your aircraft has a lot of external armament that would compromise stealth in such a way your aircraft Shouldn’t be stealthy at all. Number Three the design of your air craft is aerodynamically unsound it wouldn’t work. Very well and I doubt your aircraft would be that fast mainly because of the armament but also because of the design


In fact I have some pictures here : ( http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/images/F22.jpg )_
As you can see the F-22 dose not have any External armament any one wonders why ? it’s a stealth air superiority fighter the word Stealth being emphasized, my plane has every thing internally even though I did not state its nose cannon as retractable it is ill have to edit that later..

The Seagull is smaller and lighter than an F-22 and has more powerful engines than an F-22. It is aerodynamically viable as the wing design is a variant of the B2-Spirit's wing design - It is hard to fly, yes, just as an F17 is and that is why it has fly-by-wire controls like the F17, but it will fly.

Stealth - it has more stealth technology than the F-22, the F-22 can use external armaments and has 2 hardpoints for mounting external missiles if desired. Missiles can be coated wtih RAM and have tri-angulated surfaces and openings with 34 degree or less angles everywhere as well to reduce RCS (Radar Cross Section) and it is assumed if you are using this plane, you are using stealth missiles.

The Seagull is smaller and lighter than an F-22 and has more powerful engines than an F-22. It is aerodynamically viable as the wing design is a variant of the B2-Spirit's wing design - It is hard to fly, yes, just as an F17 is and that is why it has fly-by-wire controls like the F17, but it will fly.

Stealth - it has more stealth technology than the F-22, the F-22 can use external armaments and has 2 hardpoints for mounting external missiles if desired. Missiles can be coated wtih RAM and have tri-angulated surfaces and openings with 34 degree or less angles everywhere as well to reduce RCS (Radar Cross Section) and it is assumed if you are using this plane, you are using stealth missiles.

No adding the hardpoints increases the RCS of the F-22 dramatically. Don't expect an RCS smaller than an F-15. It doesn't matter if you have RAM coating. Just adding RAM coating won't solve your problems. Then you have to include gemoetry of the missile and then the hardpoint's too. Not only that but that doesn't make the wing smooth, which is needed for further stealth. Also how are you capable of holding so many armenants inside if it is smaller than the F-22?

Oh yeah, Masspwnage you forgot to check mine out.

No adding the hardpoints increases the RCS of the F-22 dramatically. Don't expect an RCS smaller than an F-15. It doesn't matter if you have RAM coating. Just adding RAM coating won't solve your problems. Then you have to include gemoetry of the missile and then the hardpoint's too. Not only that but that doesn't make the wing smooth, which is needed for further stealth. Also how are you capable of holding so many armenants inside if it is smaller than the F-22?

Oh yeah, Masspwnage you forgot to check mine out.

It holds no armaments inside - it has no interior bays. The geometry of the hardpoints and missiles is taken into account. An F-22 has an RCS approximatley that of a bee when in full operational stealth mode - we're at large seabird size (a seagull) with our plane, not as good as an F-22, but much better than a standard F18.

It holds no armaments inside - it has no interior bays. The geometry of the hardpoints and missiles is taken into account. An F-22 has an RCS approximatley that of a bee when in full operational stealth mode - we're at large seabird size (a seagull) with our plane, not as good as an F-22, but much better than a standard F18.

No matter what you do you can't make hardpoints and missile's sticking out look stealthy. Believe me, if that was possible, you would find stealth hardpoints on real-life aircrafts. Besides I'm thinking that a stealth hardpoint will change the aerodynamics of the aircraft for the worse, though I'm not sure since we don't know what it would look like.

Kinda wrong there - the F-22A has "stealth" hardpoints. They are just not used to attach missiles/bombs too as a general rule as the bombs or missiles increase the RCS of the F-22. HOwever, they are there and available if the RCS is not an issue. It is my claim to have overcome that problem using W.M.D., Inc. technologies. Our stealth aircraft can use stealth missiles and be stealthy. It is not impossible to do. Just because you've not seen it in RL, doesn't mean it can't be done. We've done it on NS.

Kinda wrong there - the F-22A has "stealth" hardpoints. They are just not used to attach missiles/bombs too as a general rule as the bombs or missiles increase the RCS of the F-22. HOwever, they are there and available if the RCS is not an issue. It is my claim to have overcome that problem using W.M.D., Inc. technologies. Our stealth aircraft can use stealth missiles and be stealthy. It is not impossible to do. Just because you've not seen it in RL, doesn't mean it can't be done. We've done it on NS.

Their's a big difference between a stealth aircraft and stealth missiles, and a stealth aircraft attached with a stealth missile. No matter what the stealth, the missile will change the shape of the aircraft if it is added. The change in shape results it being far less stealthy.

http://empireearth.gamesurf.tiscali.de/grafik/units/talon.jpg now that is My F-96 all its armaments are internal, it can only carry a small amour yes but that’s the sacrifice you make for speed and stealth, Space Union is right, further more the more crap you load on it the slower it travels.

Before you bring up the engine thing, an engine can only get so powerful then you have to worry about fuel efficiency then so forth, then more power = more heat, and you have to expend power cooling your liquid nitrogen systems. (although you can insulate it but that will put a time limit on heat stealth).

OOC: Mauiwowee, it has a forward swept wing and can go Mach 3+, that's gotta be PMT, at speeds higher then mach 1.5-2 FSW encounter huge amounts of stress on the joints, and the fact you have a W design isn't going to help, it's going to encounter way more stress then it can handle unless you use exotic metals which would make it PMT and a hell of expensive plane. And that planes not stealth all with all those external weapons, no to metion the drag!!!

ooc: Ok everyone. Here's the thing.
I'm going to modify the damned design.
Heavily.

There I said it.

[OOC: Guys, it really doesn't matter how the hardpoints are designed. Anything flying supersonic speeds is going to have a huge infra-red signature, regardless of all the suppressants you put on the engines. Nothing at super sonic speeds is stealthy. The F-22s stealth is designed for subsonic missions, not when it's on supersonic missions.]

ooc: Mac, where's my Lu-05? Otherwise, no big $$ for you.
Oh and TSU, you broke a design rule, that's why you weren't considered.

ooc: Mac, where's my Lu-05? Otherwise, no big $$ for you.
Oh and TSU, you broke a design rule, that's why you weren't considered.

What rule did I break? :confused:

ooc: the design had to be all new, not based off a previous one.

ooc: the design had to be all new, not based off a previous one.

It is all new.

ooc: Ok everyone. Here's the thing.
I'm going to modify the damned design.
Heavily.

There I said it.

OOC: Good - That takes care of that. :p

IC:

TO: MP Ordance Corp.
FROM: Design-a-Plane, Ltd
RE: New Seagull aircraft

Dear Sirs:
Upon completion of the test model of the craft we built and several simulations and run throughs, we have identied a few issues that might cause the plane to perform at a level less than what we had originally felt possible. In particular - extended use at the Mach 3+ range leads appears to lead to a potential problem in terms of stress cracking along the leading edge of the wing - we are working on a new composite material that should deal with that issue - however, it will likely increase the cost of a finished aircraft by a significant amount. Also, Stealth capabilities are compromised signficantly more than expected with a full load of missiles. The craft is still significantly more stealthy than, say, a standard F18A, but not as stealthy as we had hoped and felt from computer simulations would be the case. If, due to these factors you wish a refund, we will happily oblige you as we take pride in our products and stand behind them fully. On the other hand, if you wish to keep the rights to the plane, we will gladly have our engineering team work with you on modifications to address the issues.

/s/Orbille Rite

OOC: I can send you other pics of the plane if you wish, including standard "gray" with no coloring or a .vrml or .rcd file if you have the ability to use those formats yourself. I'm looking also at a slight redesign that incorporates internal bays. However, Mac. is correct (and dumbass me didn't think about it) that stealth is for sub-sonic flight anyway, not supersonic. I don't think the wing design with the speeds listed is as bad as SS says, though Mach 3.6 is probably pushing the envelope for that design (I spoke with one of the engineers at the college where I teach and read a couple of papers on forward swept wings and wing design. This is not a true, fully, forward swept wing, but stresses similar, though not as intense, would likely be placed on it.

Products:
1) An Interceptor:
Requirements:
*Must hit at least a Mach 3 max speed, the higher the speed, the better.
*Must be able to climb at least 50,000 ft. per minute
*Must be able to take off from a carrier and land on one too.
*Must have the shortest takeoff distance possible, VTOL is preferred.
*Must be able to carry and fire 4m long SCRAMJET based anti-hypersoar missiles.

2)A Heavy Fighter
Requirements:
*Must be able to handle at least as many G-loads as the F-78 Strakhen Sokol II.
*Must have at least a 2,000 mile combat radius without drop tanks.
*Must carry all weapons internally.
*Must have some stealth features.
*Must have an advanced avionics system
*Must have shortest take off and landing distance possible
*Must be able to be converted to a fighter-bomber or naval bomber easily.

1) I'm iffy about mach 3+ and VTOL going together. That' would be very hard to pull off and not worth it. A Mach 3+ fighter just needs to use afterburner for an extremely short takeoff run (like 250-300m, tops). No need to make it overly complex

2) 2000 mile combat radius on internal fuel and all weapons internally? Is this supposed to be a fighter or a medium/heavy bomber? 2000 miles is 3219 km, and for that to be a combat radius, it must be able to go that far, fight, and come back, yet 2000 miles is further than many aircraft can go one-way without external fuel and/or aerial refueling, and I challenge anyone to find me a single RL fighter that can go the 7500 km this would without at least 1 aerial refueling and full external tanks. Even without the internal weapons carriage, that requirement can only be met by an extremely large and heavy aircraft - most medium bombers can't match that. If the weapons load is light (say, F/A-22 level w/ 6-8 AAMs or 2 1000 lb bombs & 2-4 AAMs), you might get a way with a 60,000 kg max takeoff weight for such an aircraft. If you want more, this could easily need to be 80,000, or even 100,000 kg fully loaded. Either way, there won't be too much agility, and I wouldn't employ such a thing in any dogfights, so high G tolerances aren't so valuable.

ooc: Response to CSJ

1) I said that VTOL was preferrable. And since most NS planes have thrust vectoring nozzles anyway, it's not really that much of a stretch.

2) And instead of complaining about my requirements, how about you try to fufill one of the contracts? (with attached explanations explaining why you couldn't fufill the requirements)

To Mauiwowee:
Got MSN? I have a redesign proposal.

ooc:
To Mauiwowee:
Got MSN? I have a redesign proposal.

No, I use AIM on occassion and can fire it up in the evenings if you can do that. You can also TG me if you wish.

Hey, I can do AIM.

Hey, I can do AIM.

I'm LawyerLynn on AIM - I'll probably get it fired up about 9:00 pm central tonight.

This competition was rigged. Masspwnage didn't even consider my design and didn't answer my question along with flaws in Mauiwowee's design.

Whatever.

This competition was rigged. Masspwnage didn't even consider my design and didn't answer my question along with flaws in Mauiwowee's design.

Whatever.
No, he just wanted the best plane without even thinking about reality, like usual.

Ok... TSU

You posted that design around a month ago.
It's NOT all new. In fact, i've seen it around before.
What I mean by "all new" is that you design a completely new airplane from scratch based on the terms in the contract.

Ok... TSU

You posted that design around a month ago.
It's NOT all new. In fact, i've seen it around before.
What I mean by "all new" is that you design a completely new airplane from scratch based on the terms in the contract.

I didn't know you wanted totally new designed aircrafts. Whatever. Also when did you see that design around before? I'm origional in designs.

ooc: I saw it on the first day you posted it.

ooc: I saw it on the first day you posted it.

Oh I thought you meant that you saw it being sold in other threads. My bad.

Work on the redesign is progressing nicely - details soon, but here is a preview.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6154/new25by.jpg