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This is the OOC thread for the RP "A Sucide March". Any OOC complaints, requests, comments, etc. should be directed here.

I had made a post in the War! thread mentioning my nation sending a ship as an observer, I just want to see if it's okay to post in the IC thread or if you'd rather I not and just observe occly.

If you want to, sure. But not yet since its not technically starting and there would be nothing to watch. As of now no one but the involved nations have any idea of what's going on.

If you want to, sure. But not yet since its not technically starting and there would be nothing to watch. As of now no one but the involved nations have any idea of what's going on.

Guess I'll wait till the fun gets started then. :p

Guess I'll wait till the fun gets started then. :p

Yup, do so.

You should have come up with a title thats less...

You should have come up with a title thats less...

It's a very fitting title

I had made a post in the War! thread mentioning my nation sending a ship as an observer, I just want to see if it's okay to post in the IC thread or if you'd rather I not and just observe occly.

same here, is it the same answer?

It's a very fitting title
No it is not there are more nations on my side then you think. Your title is biased towards you. change it.

Why don't people just shut up about the damn title and try to start beef with Borman and the rest of us? You talk the OOC talk, but can you walk the IC walk?

Anyway, what I really wanted to say was: TAG.

Tags

same here, is it the same answer?

Yes.

No it is not there are more nations on my side then you think. Your title is biased towards you. change it.

Well of those many nations, only 5 can aid you. And by the way, if you were trying to use the dogpile aspect, just look at my sig; I think it's safe to say I can win the dogpile contest. Yes I suppose it is somewhat biased towards both of us, oh wait, we call that fair.

No.

A formation of Swilatian millitary aircraft has entered Borman Empire Airspace, with a mission to destroy a factory proding an SD platform, and the SDP being produced.

It's 'on pause' so to speak. But if Helghan says you can do that, then be my guess.

Also, I have AA defenses that can reach out 500 miles, so you'll have a while to go before you reach land.

Another thing, by SD do you mean Strategic Defense platform? Cause I dont remember saying IC whether or not I was building one or where it was.

Aust

NO! NO YOU MAY NOT! :p

We're allies, so if you do my nation will probably cut ties with you and all. But if you want to I guess you can.

And it may not be as one-sided as you think. Outpost Command claims that Independant Hitmen may be joining.

Also, right now it has yet to start due to Helghan Empire's wishes.

Well, the post about the aircraft was just a "location post"

Well, the post about the aircraft was just a "location post"

Just to let you know.

and..."Another thing, by SDP do you mean Strategic Defense platform? Cause I dont remember saying IC whether or not I was building one or where it was."

I'll remain nutural then join who is winning. :D

Just to let you know.

and..."Another thing, by SDP do you mean Strategic Defense platform? Cause I dont remember saying IC whether or not I was building one or where it was."
I remeber this telegram from outpostcommand:
Sir,
The Borman Empire is a threat to the entire universe.
I have seized plans detailing the construction of a highly advanced SD (strategic defense) platform.
But this platform (Not yet constructed) has a Nuclear warhead launcher that has a range of 10,000 miles.
The Borman Empire is now trying to cover the seizeture of plans up by refering to their current SD platform (standard, rocket firing defense platform).
They are trying to cover it up, because their security at
this factory is poor, and i am constantly stealing plans, and have an insight at their next move.
The other country in this war on my side are The Helghan Empire.
Reguards, General Peterson.

I remeber this telegram from outpostcommand:


Most long range ICBM's have a range of 10,000km..

I'll remain nutural then join who is winning. :D

Nice Plan.

I remeber this telegram from outpostcommand:

Sir,
The Borman Empire is a threat to the entire universe.
I have seized plans detailing the construction of a highly advanced SD (strategic defense) platform.
But this platform (Not yet constructed) has a Nuclear warhead launcher that has a range of 10,000 miles.
The Borman Empire is now trying to cover the seizeture of plans up by refering to their current SD platform (standard, rocket firing defense platform).
They are trying to cover it up, because their security at
this factory is poor, and i am constantly stealing plans, and have an insight at their next move.
The other country in this war on my side are The Helghan Empire.
Reguards, General Peterson.

Nah, that's a godmode. Let me make some things clear.

1.) Why he decided to pick me as a threat, I dont know.
2.) I built and have launched several SD platforms NS years ago.
3.) I have a huge stockpile of nuclear, biological, and other Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) that have ranges over 10,000 miles.
4.) They have no one inside my nation and have stolen no plans.
5.) The security at a factory building something vital to Borman's defense would be greater than the security of a smaller nation.

Nice Plan.





Nah, that's a godmode. Let me make some things clear.

1.) Why he decided to pick me as a threat, I dont know.
2.) I built and have launched several SD platforms NS years ago.
3.) I have a huge stockpile of nuclear, biological, and other Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) that have ranges over 10,000 miles.
4.) They have no one inside my nation and have stolen no plans.
5.) The security at a factory building something vital to Borman's defense would be greater than the security of a smaller nation.
Oh. I did not know.

I'll remain nutural then join who is winning. :D
That plan makes no sense whatsoever.

That plan makes no sense whatsoever.

I'd say joining the winning team is a kick ass plan myself. :p

yeah, I think I'll do that too.

yeah, I think I'll do that too.
No it does not make sense. Nations go one one side because they support it, and/or oppose the other. You should not join a side because its mallitary power is higher then the other.

No it does not make sense. Nations go one one side because they support it, and/or oppose the other. You should not join a side because its mallitary power is higher then the other.


They just want peices of Outpostcommand after he loses. Me and Borman each get 1/4 the country if it falls, then everyone else gets parts of the other 1/2 of it :)

Oh. I did not know.

It's Fine.

And on the issue of joining winning side. It does make sense.

"Yeah, I remember the OutpostCommand War. Me and the rest of the Aust military were there tearing them a new one. Yeah, that's where I earned my first badge."

You know, bragging rights. And other stuff like land.

But I doubt anyone outside of the coalition will get land. I would also probably try to purchase allied nations OutPost Land if possible. (My nation prides itself on having nice full colonies)

(My nation prides itself on having nice full colonies)


So do I, im gonna turn mine in to an industrial powerhouse and pollute as much of your land as possible ;)

So do I, im gonna turn mine in to an industrial powerhouse and pollute as much of your land as possible ;)

Then Ill make sure our colonies don't border.

No it does not make sense. Nations go one one side because they support it, and/or oppose the other. You should not join a side because its mallitary power is higher then the other.

If the nations wants to win hell yea. War is not a lovey dovey affair where convictions are whats at stake. People expect to gain things in wars, and if they see one side winning and they can get something out of a war they will join the winning side. Take Italy for example in ww1 they joined the allies to get some territory.

Morvonia, your gys night out seems pretty cool.

And SkyCapt, unfortunately you can't join. If Helghan allows me to replace my nations which arent confirmed then I'll let him do so and you have the possibility to join.

Shazbotdom, you are definetly in. I know you sent him TGs and I'm telling him so. He says I can replace Wirraway and Doom, who had like 7 people waiting to replace them. Im gonna tell him to give them till the day it starts. We'll have at least 5 nations on our side, hopefully 6 or 7.

He's only gona have 6 at most.

The Helghan Empire is out of this, he's making up some n00b rules and trying to force me to RP against his FT. Then he insulted me OOCly so I just ignored him again and for the final time.

If Outpost Command and his allies still wish to RP, we can start on Saturday.

The Helghan Empire is out of this, he's making up some n00b rules and trying to force me to RP against his FT. Then he insulted me OOCly so I just ignored him again and for the final time.

If Outpost Command and his allies still wish to RP, we can start on Saturday.


Lmao. :cool: Please post the telegram for me, it sounds funny, he just angry almost all the countries against him could beat his ass by themselves.

Lol, I got it on my boards; lemme find it.

"Shaz is not in. I told you I don't care about what you have to say about it. You gonna cry about it?"

That was the last TG. I've deleted all TGs from him.

One of his rules was that I had to TG him the 7 names of all my nations in like 2 days from 'this' TG or I would get no allys. And then they had a couple days to TG him saying that they were participating, or they were out.

And he was saying Shazbotdom didn't TG him when he did, and Doom and Wirraway didn't (Which I have no doubt they didn't, I dont even think Wirraway has been on) and so couldn't participate.

Then he said he'd let them in if:
He could be on another planet, have dropships, and some masive FT ship.

And he said if we did RP on earth, he would let my troops find out the geography of his nation, not tell me OOCly.

And Jip, I'm a sophmore two. You can take AP US history as a soph. and physics is what all sophmores get at my school.

Outpost, you wanna do it?

I think maybe I'll make some IC post soon.

And Jip, I'm a sophmore two. You can take AP US history as a soph. and physics is what all sophmores get at my school.

Your school lets sophomores take APUSH? I'm a junior, and I'm taking it.

Meh. This is pointless rambling, sorry. But is everybody set to rock and roll on this one, and Borman, could you post an ABSOLUTELY FINAL list the allies of each side?

Your school lets sophomores take APUSH? I'm a junior, and I'm taking it.

Meh. This is pointless rambling, sorry. But is everybody set to rock and roll on this one, and Borman, could you post an ABSOLUTELY FINAL list the allies of each side?

Yeah, its a two year course. first year for sophmores, second when you're a junior.

I am. And no, I cant. I think our side is everyone except Wirraway and Doom. And I dunno who their side is.

Outpost, you wanna see if you can follow up on those allied Helghan was trying to get? Or you want me to give you some of the guys who want to join you?

Wow Borman your school is funky... a two year course? YIKES!
we don't even have a "History-Realted Course" during sophomore year....

Wow Borman your school is funky... a two year course? YIKES!
we don't even have a "History-Realted Course" during sophomore year....

Yup, two years. And then May of next year I'll have to go through all my notes and cram everything from the last two years for possibly the hardest test of my life. An excellent score on normal scale, is only like a 60% for this test, that's how hard it is.

Sounds fun, lol. When is this damn war gonna start anyway?

Outpost said like Wendsday, I may make an IC post today or soon.

aight... wednesday and thursday I am home from school b/c of my Grandmother's wake and funeral... so most of the day I will be good for RPing.

Helghan just knows that i'll rip his military a new asshole. I'm not even sending 10% of my armed forces into this conflict and that scares him. Hell, he won't even post anything on the forums, so it makes you wonder....is Helghan a puppet of OutpostCommand or is it the other way around? I mean they do both use the same flag.....

OCC Deployed Military Refrence:
Forces used in battle (Expandable if needed) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9602166&postcount=405)

Well, Helghan aint even in this conflict. Now, I'm gonna give Outpost SkyCapt and that other dude as allies.

I removed Wirraway and Doom from my list of allies and gave me Inkana.

I gave Outpost Command SkyCapt and Pschycotic Pschycos. I also marked that War Coalition has changed sides and supports mine now. I also found and fixed Pfeif's name.

Right....sorry people I havent replied, but ill be able to RP from roughly thursday.
I am in a foreign location, at which I cannot access nationstates.
OutpostCommand is not The Helghan Empires puppet, and The Helghan Empire is not OutpostCommands puppet.

Right....sorry people I havent replied, but ill be able to RP from roughly thursday.
I am in a foreign location, at which I cannot access nationstates.
OutpostCommand is not The Helghan Empires puppet, and The Helghan Empire is not OutpostCommands puppet.

Dude, you do know this OOC right. You can tell us where you are. Ex: "I'm in Sweden and so can't get to a computer. You don't need to say foreign location.

THURSDAY!!! :(

:( thursday? thats tomorrow....

Just a note to all. Heleghan TGed me around 30 minutes before this post. I'll quote the TG here so you all can read it.

Note: I did TG him about be being in the RP, and he has since dropped out of the RP, so what he says in this TG does not apply. And i have the TG's that he sent back to me in reply of my first TG stating i was in the RP and helping Borman.

The Rogue Nation of The Helghan Empire
Received: 29 minutes ago
You are fucking dumb. I said that you are not in the war. I have the TGs and you are not on them. I don't care what you say, you did not TG me. And I am not stupid enough to accidently delete them.
So you are not in. I was the one to start the war, and I am the one who can allow whose in. And you are clearly not in, the others are becasue they were smart enough to TG me.

Just a note to all. Heleghan TGed me around 30 minutes before this post. I'll quote the TG here so you all can read it.

Note: I did TG him about be being in the RP, and he has since dropped out of the RP, so what he says in this TG does not apply. And i have the TG's that he sent back to me in reply of my first TG stating i was in the RP and helping Borman.


Not trying to flame, but that guy is retarded. I say we forget about outpost and all invade him for being stupid.

Helghan is the most n00bish guy I've ever met. He is not in the RP, Shazbotdom is. Just put him on TG ignore, that's what I have him on.

P.S. I forgot to mention my hand. I broke my finger and this cast thing renders my right hand basically useless.

My current location is classified.
Thurther delays-Maybe friday;if im lucky.
I shall keep all you posted when I will be able to fly out of my location (No, im not on holiday).
Oi, dont forget about me ! I am an enemy too !

My current location is classified.
Thurther delays-Maybe friday;if im lucky.
I shall keep all you posted when I will be able to fly out of my location (No, im not on holiday).
Oi, dont forget about me ! I am an enemy too !

DUDE! YOU CAN TELL US WHERE YOU ARE!!! And if it's classified like if your in military or something, you can say so. Or you can just say "I dont really want to tell." But this is OOC, classified doesnt really come into play.

And if this doesnt start by tomorrow we're gonna start invading you and/or drop you from RP depending on how long it takes you to start. I really have other NS things to do.

And you are the enemy.

Classified.
Hmm....ok ,but I wont be able to read any of my TGs, so bad news
OutpostCommand haters, you cant sent me hate mail as I wont be able to read it.
PS : What do you mean I am the enemy ? The Helghan Empire, Swilatia plus a few other nations are on my side.

Classified.
Hmm....ok ,but I wont be able to read any of my TGs, so bad news
OutpostCommand haters, you cant sent me hate mail as I wont be able to read it.
PS : What do you mean I am the enemy ? The Helghan Empire, Swilatia plus a few other nations are on my side.

No, at this point it would only be You, Swilatia, and possibly Helghan Empire (if he ever gets the balls to post here War Coalition, Skincher, Conservative Union, and Independent Hitmen have all stated that they will in no way help you. The only nation that has not made their presence known is Pfeif. So current it is the Allies with a combined population of 18,447,000,000 agaist the Axis powers with a combined population of 373,000,000.



EDIT: Those numbers are not current.

No, at this point it would only be You, Swilatia, and possibly Helghan Empire (if he ever gets the balls to post here War Coalition, Skincher, Conservative Union, and Independent Hitmen have all stated that they will in no way help you. The only nation that has not made their presence known is Pfeif. So current it is the Allies with a combined population of 18,447,000,000 agaist the Axis powers with a combined population of 373,000,000.


Lol, besides Jiplestien (I murdered the spelling, i know) i am the smalles nation on the allies, but am still nearly twice as large as the axis combined. Just for you crappy mathers, tahts nearly 18.5 Billion vrs 373 million.

Well, if every soldier in my army kills 20 enemys before dropping (And I admit that that is a big task) then we will wipe the floor with all of you.

Oh, and those numbers are wrong.
Swilatia and The Helghan Empire both have a population of 300,000 each.

Well, if every soldier in my army kills 20 enemys before dropping (And I admit that that is a big task) then we will wipe the floor with all of you.


Not after we whipe the your air force out, after it could be imagined as the Six day war x50

My army is going to be transported to The Borman Empire via dropship,so if one of my dropships are shot down, itll cause significant damageto near by buildings.
Missile attacks will be suicide.

Oh, and those numbers are wrong.
Swilatia and The Helghan Empire both have a population of 300,000 each.


I lef out helghan, he was being a pussy whiner, see:



"Shaz is not in. I told you I don't care about what you have to say about it. You gonna cry about it?"

and heres another:


The Rogue Nation of The Helghan Empire
Received: 29 minutes ago
You are fucking dumb. I said that you are not in the war. I have the TGs and you are not on them. I don't care what you say, you did not TG me. And I am not stupid enough to accidently delete them.
So you are not in. I was the one to start the war, and I am the one who can allow whose in. And you are clearly not in, the others are becasue they were smart enough to TG me.

My army is going to be transported to The Borman Empire via dropship,so if one of my dropships are shot down, itll cause significant damageto near by buildings.
Missile attacks will be suicide.


Ft ? hell no.

Long range sams reach out 400km to sea, so they wont even make it within sight.

My army is going to be transported to The Borman Empire via dropship,so if one of my dropships are shot down, itll cause significant damageto near by buildings.
Missile attacks will be suicide.

They will be transported by ships, no FT.

And Helghan Empire is not in this RP, that was made clear several times.

Also, any dialogue between like leaders and their men or generals, unless otherwise stated, is SIC. Cause you cant exactly use a spy satalitte (sp?) to see into whever they are, cause you may not know, and then hear them as well.

Lol, besides Jiplestien (I murdered the spelling, i know) i am the smalles nation on the allies, but am still nearly twice as large as the axis combined. Just for you crappy mathers, tahts nearly 18.5 Billion vrs 373 million.

Actually, with ours i was adding someone else that declied being OutpostCommand's ally, but i'm not sure if they are joining us though.

Below are the Current Numbers as it stands at 3:21pm Central United States Time.

CURRENT NUMBERS
Allies:
Borman Empire -- 2.299 Billion
Generic Empire -- 2.712 Billion
Freudotopia -- 2.616 Billion
Jipleastan -- 2.890 Billion
Shazbotdom -- 2.045 Billion
Willink -- 668 Million
Inkana -- 2.327 Billion
TOTAL: 15.557 Billion

Axis:
OutpostCommand -- 69 Million
Swilatia -- 386 Million
TOTAL: 445 Million

Nations Not Added:
Helghan Empire
SkyCapt
Pschycotic Pschycos
Independant Hitmen

War Coalition can't militarily join our side because of ally limit. If there was no ally limit, we'd be well over 15 billion.

Dropships are at worst case PMT.
Dropships are under use by the military at this current moment, and I refuse to be a sitting duck in my underfunded navy.
Helghan is not in this war ?! W.T.F ?! Hes the main enemy ! I just seem as the main enemy because I post the most !
You think im going in with just Swilatia (No, I do not underestimate you)?!
Hell no !

War Coalition can't militarily join our side because of ally limit. If there was no ally limit, we'd be well over 15 billion.

I'l pull off War Coalition. but that still puts us at about 15.557 Billion.

Dropships are at worst case PMT.
Dropships are under use by the military at this current moment, and I refuse to be a sitting duck in my underfunded navy.
Helghan is not in this war ?! W.T.F ?! Hes the main enemy ! I just seem as the main enemy because I post the most !
You think im going in with just Swilatia (No, I do not underestimate you)?!
Hell no !


If he would stop being a douche bag he would be in.

Its absolute pisspot not being able to sign in to nationstates at my classified location.

Dropships are at worst case PMT.
Dropships are under use by the military at this current moment, and I refuse to be a sitting duck in my underfunded navy.
Helghan is not in this war ?! W.T.F ?! Hes the main enemy ! I just seem as the main enemy because I post the most !
You think im going in with just Swilatia (No, I do not underestimate you)?!
Hell no !

Drop ships are not being used by the military. Dropships would be ships that drop down from space and no one in the world has forces that are up in space and can be dropped down from space to earth.

Ok.
I mean aircraft that is used for transportation.(A la dropship)

Dropships are at worst case PMT.
Dropships are under use by the military at this current moment, and I refuse to be a sitting duck in my underfunded navy.
Helghan is not in this war ?! W.T.F ?! Hes the main enemy ! I just seem as the main enemy because I post the most !
You think im going in with just Swilatia (No, I do not underestimate you)?!
Hell no !

Dropships are at best case FT. There is no militaryi in the world that has flying saucers fly aroound and unload thousands of soldiers on foriegn soil, you need ships for that.
No he is not, he was being very abusive OOCly to several nations on my side and so was put on ignore and dropped from war, that was new news several days ago.
You're the main enemy because you were second main and with him out you become main.
You clearly do underestime us if you were going to go in with You+Swiplatia+Helghan because any ONE of us could take all three of you, except Maybe Willink because of size.
You had several larger nations on your side, but they backed out. Would you care to pick ouot some nation to ally with you, so long as I and my side approves?

Ok.
I mean aircraft that is used for transportation.(A la dropship)

Do you have any idea how expensive and inefficient that is? They can't hold that much, I have VTOL and landing ships that hold like 50. So at best you would be able to transport 50 per ship (and with your size and budget your tech shouldnt be nearly as good as mine). You would need more planes than you do or could have, and we'd easply shoot them down. They also wouldnt have the range to go from your nation to ours, you would need them to come off carriers. BAM! NAVY! A navy is an absolute necessity in any invasion, excepting if your invading by land, in which case a navyo would help if other nation wasn't landlocked.

Do you have any idea how expensive and inefficient that is? They can't hold that much, I have VTOL and landing ships that hold like 50. So at best you would be able to transport 50 per ship (and with your size and budget your tech shouldnt be nearly as good as mine). You would need more planes than you do or could have, and we'd easply shoot them down. They also wouldnt have the range to go from your nation to ours, you would need them to come off carriers. BAM! NAVY! A navy is an absolute necessity in any invasion, excepting if your invading by land, in which case a navyo would help if other nation wasn't landlocked.


Couldnt they refuel in midflight though, but with the price, i doubt he could afford refuelers, such as the KC-135.

Couldnt they refuel in midflight though, but with the price, i doubt he could afford refuelers, such as the KC-135.

I suppose so, but that only eliminates one of the aspects of why it's hard. And like you said, he couldnt afford manyo good refuelers.

Sorry about in the IC thread, I just read BE's and wanted it to be known that I did indeed decide to back out.

Sorry about in the IC thread, I just read BE's and wanted it to be known that I did indeed decide to back out.

No prob.

Hold on people,
this is a bit of a mess (For me anyway).
I am not going to start war until I have a chat with Helghan.

Hold on people,
this is a bit of a mess (For me anyway).
I am not going to start war until I have a chat with Helghan.

Ugh fine.

I may go out an see a movie tonigh, and so be gone for a couple hours

Lord Of War

My new tank is finnaly done(one with 150mm gun) so i figured i would post it here(my 3rd lineart !), seeing i will be rolling over outpostcommand with it.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6640/willinktank28ss.png

well, something that is really stupid is that Jipleastan was godmoding, by determining where my planes go. Why was he doing that??

well, something that is really stupid is that Jipleastan was godmoding, by determining where my planes go. Why was he doing that??

Shazbot caught the planes on sattilite, alearting us all, check a few pages back.

OOC: I have over 100 Spy Satelites around the world. I can move them into position over your nation if i wanted within a few minutes, which i did before you even launched the planes. I spotted them, watched them, and determined where they were going, and THAT is not godmodding.

OOC: I have over 100 Spy Satelites around the world. I can move them into position over your nation if i wanted within a few minutes, which i did before you even launched the planes. I spotted them, watched them, and determined where they were going, and THAT is not godmodding.
Jipleastan said my planes are doing something they are not.

Jipleastan said my planes are doing something they are not.

You said it yourself that they were "heading toward Borman Empire, Jipleastan, and Shazbotdom." To us, that would mean that they have split up into smaller assault groups.

20 millitary planes took off from a millitary airfield near Vilvek, headed to attack Borman Empire, Shazbotdom, and Willink.


Thats what you said in the IC thread. And you didn't say Secert IC so my Spy Satelites could see what they were doing and where they were going.

What Shazbotdom said, and you usually cant keep the launch of military planes secret.

Also, incase you say I godmoded in saying that they slowed down. I have to say that because you've been doing nothing with them, and they could have reached any one of us by now. RP some more actionkl by the planes.

My army uses the Maus A2.
It would take over 3 modern shells to penetrate the armour on the original Maus (1943).
The Maus A2 is a incredibly slow tank, even with modern engines, but its perfect when assaulting.
Heres a peak.
This tank can destroy almost every tank on the battlefield when 1vs1.
http://gunpoint-3d.com/images/artwork/aw-Maus.jpg
Oh, and that image is of the the old maus.
The A2 has much thicker armour
(I wont give you the specifications,it would be unwise).
The A2 also has a inbuilt mine layer and fingerprint identification (NOT FT,
type up fingerprint lock on ebay) so it can not fall into the wrong hands.

My army uses the Maus A2.
It would take over 3 modern shells to penetrate the armour on the original Maus (1943).
The Maus A2 is a incredibly slow tank, even with modern engines, but its perfect when assaulting.
Heres a peak.
This tank can destroy almost every tank on the battlefield when 1vs1.
http://gunpoint-3d.com/images/artwork/aw-Maus.jpg
Oh, and that image is of the the old maus.
The A2 has much thicker armour
(I wont give you the specifications,it would be unwise).
The A2 also has a inbuilt mine layer and fingerprint identification (NOT FT,
type up fingerprint lock on ebay) so it can not fall into the wrong hands.



1. That is not a tank, its basiclly mobile artillary.

2. It could not beat any tank 1 on one because it has a stationary turret, and my tank uses 150mm scramjet SABOT rounds, which while maintaing speed longer, also penitrate deep armor then explode, causing damadge within the armor and interior itself. Also almost any post 1950's tank could beat that by just flanking it.

3. That ways around 105 tons, my tank ways in at a little over 94 tons, and is much faster.

4.That has a 128mm gun, mine has a 150mm

5. Figerprint locks, mine has a whole user-interface, which works incredebly effiecintly, (Mine uses figerprint indetification too, big woop.)

6. Size of the gun dos'nt matter, its the vilocity of the shell.

7. That thing has terrible armor slope upon the front of the turret, and that means one hit could take it out, as could any operator of an anti-tank missile.

8. We could just bomb it, why waste shells ?

*cough* my tank is the first one on the list *cough*

King Arbiter (http://s11.invisionfree.com/C_A_D/index.php?showtopic=2)

*cough* pwns your tanks *cough*

*cough* my tank is the first one on the list *cough*

King Arbiter (http://s11.invisionfree.com/C_A_D/index.php?showtopic=2)

*cough* pwns your tanks *cough*

Erm....can't see the tank if were not part of that message board group. Could ya post the stuff up here or something?

My army uses the Maus A2.
It would take over 3 modern shells to penetrate the armour on the original Maus (1943).
The Maus A2 is a incredibly slow tank, even with modern engines, but its perfect when assaulting.
Heres a peak.
This tank can destroy almost every tank on the battlefield when 1vs1.
http://gunpoint-3d.com/images/artwork/aw-Maus.jpg
Oh, and that image is of the the old maus.
The A2 has much thicker armour
(I wont give you the specifications,it would be unwise).
The A2 also has a inbuilt mine layer and fingerprint identification (NOT FT,
type up fingerprint lock on ebay) so it can not fall into the wrong hands.


Why shoot at the actual tank when you could shoot and take out the treads. That would make the thing usless because it couldn't move.

oh yea I forgot that sorry shaz. THIS IS NOT MY DESIGN!!! DOOMINGSLAND AND SOVIET BLOC MADE IT

The ST-29K Next Generation Battle Tank (M-29A4 'King Arbiter' Doomingsland designation), a cooperative design between the nations of Soviet Bloc and Doomingsland, was designed not as a battle tank, not as an infantry support system, but as a local area ground superiority armored fighting platform. Simply put, this incredible vehicle will kick your ass without compassion, it will decimate anything it faces, anything that comes across its fire control system, anything that dares to challenge the immense power it has confined within itself. From its massive ETMAS main cannon to its auxiliary fire support system, this tank can easily breeze past any type of opposition while its armor and defensive suite repels any enemy attack with a sincere vengeance. The direct neural interface system creates a perfect mating of man and machine, creating the ultimate killing machine, unmatched by anything anyone else can provide.

The A4 varient does away with a good portion of Soviet Bloc developed technology and includes even more tough armor, making the M-29A4 one of the best protected tanks in existance. The main gun has recieved an upgrade, as well, and includes the Dynamic Gas Assist in addition to the EMAS system. A larger engine and lengthened chassis allows for the use of yet another weapon, a 20mm ETMAS gun, to allow for the destruction of reactive armor. The latest version sticks with the tradition of battlefield supremacy started by the M/ST-29A1, and brings to the battlefield a true next generation battle tank.

Internal Design

The internal design is about as revolutionary as this entire tank, utilizing an attack helicopter-type format. Due to the presence of the DNI and an auto-loader, the conventional internal turret design has been scrapped in favor of a tandem type 'cockpit' much like an attack helicopter. The commander sits on top with access to the commanders periscope systems and other targetting and tracking systems while the gunner sits below with weapons sights, tracking and targetting systems, and weapons systems. Both can operate the systems with the DNI, however, auxiliary controls are present for manual operation. Directly above the commander is his access hatch. Above and to the left of the gunner's position (the 'cockpit' is situationed on the right side of the turret), is the gunner's access hatch, which as a 7.62mm anti-personnel machine gun for anti-personnel applications.

All tank ammunition is in an armored storage box, as is the entire main gun system (since its seperate from the crew compartment). Freon systems are present to extinguish any fires.



Propulsion

The ST-29 uses a hybrid powerplant to provide propulsion and power to its vast amount of systems. Initially an MVE-9000-EXA1 1500 horsepower diesel engine provides general power, however it is assisted by the Electric Assist System (EAS) which is a hybrid Fuel Cell/Battery system. The hydrogen fuel cells recharge the batteries (or directly assist the engine) and the batteries store energy as well as assist the engine. Also recharging the batteries are a series of electric generators attached to the non-driving road wheels, as the wheel spins from movement, the generator creates electrical energy, storing it in the batteries.

The drive train is an electrically fired hydrostatic transmission system using electrically operated pumps to regulate hydraulic flow to the hydrostatic transmission. This allows the vehicle a smooth acceleration, smooth deceleration, and an infinitely variable speed. An emergency mechanical linkage with six forward gears and two reverse (all 'low-gear' for improved traction and power/performance [no speed]) is present and can be used in situations where the electrical system fails or when the electrical system is overcome (such as a really nasty mudhole). Due to the nature of the drive system, the vehicle is fairly fuel efficient, getting about 4.5 miles per gallon.

Top road speed: 54 miles per hour
Top off-road speed: 45 miles per hour

An added plus to this system is the fact the diesel motor can be disengaged and the tank can drive under battery and fuel cell power, meaning its completely silent.



Armor

The armor of the ST-29 is incredible, a perfect blend of Doomingsland and Soviet Bloc technology, that provides a near-impenetrable level of defense capable of preventing the most powerful tank cannon rounds and missiles access to the core of this awesome fighting machine.

A new reactive armor system, the Scutum-I Advanced Reactive Armor System (ARAS), is utilized on the M-29A4. Designed to counter the increasingly popular coaxial, reactive armor-killing cannons. It consists of three ELRAS-II blocks stacked up on top of one another, a DUEIS plate, and a KRA-II block, all sandwhiched together and tied to a central processing unit.

Beginning with the outside of the ARAS is the ELRAS-II electric reactive armor system. The armor is made up of two electrically charged plates separated by an insulator and an uplink to the AATDS. When an incoming body is detected, a high current and voltage flows through the plates, literaly vaporizing the penetrator on contact. It is almost 100% effective on HEAT ammunition, and actualy effects KE rounds. It also allows for the ST-29K to be used in conjunction with infantry, thus solving a problem that plagued the A1 model of the vehicle.

In between that and the next layer is a thin plate of depleted uranium encased in steel (DUEIS). This plate deflects light cannon rounds designed to predetonate reactive armor panels.

After that comes the KRA-II Kinetic Reactive Armor. The armor is made up of what can be best described as a tall, thin metal box. At the bottom of the box is an explosive charge beneath a heavy metal plate. Along the inside of the box are four, independently powered copper electro-magnetic rails. When an incoming kinetic energy round impacts the smart skin layers, a signal (with information such as velocity and penetration value) is sent to the KRA. As the penetrator enters the box, the charge is detonated, propeling the plate upwards. Its velocity is further increased by the rails. The plate would then impact the round as it entered, hopefully knocking the round off course, making it lose velocity. This would also cause the round to enter an even more heavily sloped section of armor, preventing penetration. If a HEAT round somehow penetrates the armor in front of the KRA, the KRA acts as a void space, effectively stopping the round from further penetrating.

The conventional layer (by our standards) begins after the Scutum-I reactive armor. The M-29A4 utilizes a new armor composite (currently unnamed).



The first layer consists of a layer of super compressed depleted uranium. Using the high compression technique developed by Guffingfordi scientists, the already high dense material becomes 30% denser, making for a nearly impenatrable material. The second section is a layer of coarse ceramics bonded with artificial diamond. This makes for an extremely HEAT-resistant layer that also posseses excellent kinetic energy absorbtion. The third layer is the jagged edge on which the energy of impacts of shells are absorbed and sent thru the armour. because the edges are all jagged no straight surfaces take the full impact. Plus, combined with all the other layers this is a very good combination. In a 1 or 2 layer environment this isn't very effective because it really needs something to fall back on. This layer consists of polycarbonate combined with UHTS coated with fire resistant chemicals. Number four layer is crossbanded titanium, like cloth, which, being the second jagged section, absorbs the remainder of the energy from the incoming round from the third layer. A final thick layer of boronated plastics and carbon elements protect the crew from radiation.

A tertiary layer is a large alunimum tank (well, not large) roughly about an inch and a quarter thick that contains electrolytic fluid (which changes its viscosity when hit with an electric shock). When a round is detected coming towards the vehicle, an electric firing system fires an electrical pulse towards the electrodes protruding into the fluid across each individual tank (there are a series of these tanks, each covering different portiosn). This means, that when a round impacts and penetrates the primary layer, it will hit the gel-like liquid and then it will harden (well, thicken) and spread the energy across the tank, reducing its effectiveness. To prevent spillage, each tank is cordoned off with metal strips to prevent one hit from draining an entire tank. This entire system is the Liquid-Based Passive Defense System (LBPDS) or Electrolytic Fluid Defense System (EFDS). The tanks are present on the front glacis, turret sides, turret front, turret rear, turret top, vehicle rear, and vehicle sides.

Instead of using the AERA-II to defend from top-attack threats, the ST-29 uses the Pilum Close-in Anti Missile Defense System (CAMD) provided by Doomingsland. The Pilum consists of packets of high velocity, armor piercing flechettes. Each packet contains roughly 2300 flechettes and their propellant. When the computer in the Pilum detects incoming missiles by utilizing some of the same systems used by the AMRRS and AATDS, it fires off the appropriate packet at it, showering the missile with the flechettes, which will eliminate the missile completely, or detonating it prematurely, with minimal, if any damage to the vehicle. The Pilum system is mounted on top of the armor of the tank, making for a nearly impenatrable screen that hostile missiles would some how have to bypass. However, the system is disabled when the commanders hatch or gunners hatch are open to prevent potential lethal effects.



Close-In Defense and Active Countermeasure Systems

The ST-29 carries the Next Generation Armored Vehicle Missile Defense Suite, which is a system composed of both Soviet Bloc and Doomingsland-designed technology. The system completely enhances the vehicle's defensive capabilities and increases its survivability exponentially.

The first system is the Advanced Airborne Threat Defense System (AATDS) which is a series of three weapons mounts, one to the rear of the turret and the other two mounted in recessed portions of the forward area of the turret. Each AATDS turret is composed of a bank of three 'armored centrifuges' (the armor is light and basically only protects against shrapnel or ricocheting rounds). These three centrifuges are located on 360 degree traversing turntable with three hydraulic actuators which allow the three 'centrifuges' to move up or down a number of degrees. The first centrifuge covers an area from -15 degrees to +30; the second centrifuge covers from +20 to +80; the third covers from +60 to +120 degrees. This allows for each system to engage ground level targets, line of sight missiles, and top-attack missiles. Each turret is faced to allow for full overlapping and defensive abilities. Each AATDS 'centrifuge gun' is a centrifuge, although it fires conventional rounds in an arc pattern (since it spins it releases the rounds to cover an arc of space) at incredibly high rates of fire (up to 120,000 rpm). The projectiles used are the 6.5mm ball ammunition used by conventional infantry forces. No propellant is needed but the ammunition fired is capable of velocities as high as 8000 feet per second, and are fired so close together that they are only 1/32nd of an inch apart, meaning complete and utter target saturation. Employed as a close in defense system, this system is incredibly effective. The AATDS can also be used against infantry and is tied into the 'Active Engagement Suite', which is a series of systems designed to actively engage opposing forces that have fired on the tank (i.e. ATGM crews). Each AATDS turret has its own thermal imager, however all weapons systems are tied into the 'Integral Fire Control Suite' which is a series of threat detection systems and fire control systems such as thermal imagers, electro-optical, millimetric radar receivers and emitters, light detection and randing (LIDAR), laser detection and ranging (LADAR), and low-light optics.

In addition to this, it also has an anti-missile rapid response system (AMRRS), which makes use of all auxilary weaponry systems (commanders weapon, gunners weapon, any other weapons, unless in use by crew) to rapidly engage ATGM crews. It uses the same systems used by the AATDS to detect the missile, but instead of firing at the missile, it calculates the point of origin of the launch, and quickly lays down suppressive fire on that area. This especially effective against wire guided weapons. The system is also tied into the JD-3AE (active engagement) to allow for even more accurate fire against the crews of laser guided weapons.

And finally, it features the JD-3AE integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defence/missile response device. This system uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner, potentially disabling the weapons system or the operator. This latest version of the JD-3 has a built in 25mm airburst grenade launcher, similar to the OICW concept weapon. Using the IFCS (Integral Fire Control Suite) and the JD-3AE laser rangefinder, the grenade launcher takes data gathered from the range finding system to calculate a proper aiming tragectory, then launches several HE grenades which would burst over the heads of the hostile crew. The JD-3AE us also tied into the AMRRS, allowing for multiple weapons to be brought to bear on a hostile ATGM crew. This allows for the enemy gunner to be engaged as soon as the laser system responds.

The system includes a laser warning receiver (LWR - the dome-shaped device on the turret roof behind the commander's position), that warns the crew that their tank is being illuminated by an enemy range-finding or weapon-guidance laser. The turret of the tank can then be traversed to face the direction of the enemy threat, and the laser self-defence weapon (LSDW - the box-shaped device on the turret roof behind the gunner's position), can be employed against the source of the enemy laser.

The procedure of the laser weapon would first use a low-powered beam to locate the optics of the enemy weapon. Once the enemy weapon was located, the power level of the laser would be immediately and dramatically increased. Such an attack would disable the guidance optics of the enemy weapon and/or damage the eyesight of the enemy gunner. This also allows for the 25mm grenade launcher to be employed against the missile crew.

The final active defense system is the ARENA Mk. III. This system uses a mini-turreted microwave emitter as its active missile defense system and was jointly developed by both Doomingsland and Soviet Bloc, although its roots lie in the aircraft mounted AFR/SIRR microwave emission system. The emitter uses microwaves to fry an incoming missile's electronics at ranges of several hundred meters, rendering the missile useless and likely either causing it to crash or detonate prematurely.



Primary Armament

This is where the ST-29K trully reigns supreme, from its death-inducing main cannon to its comparably fearsome auxilary systems, this tank is armed like no other, and armed to the point that any enemy it faces will be scared shit-less. There is no way an enemy will survive a one on one engagement with one of these, their systems will be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of firepower thrown at them. Your best bet against an ST-29K? Surrender because there is no way in hell you'll survive otherwhise. Good luck on making the correct decision.


The M-29A4/ST-29K utilizes the jointly developed SB-ETMAS 120mm cannon, which incorporates the EMAS (Electro-Magnetic Acceleration System). The EMAS is a series of magnetic coils, positioned along the barrel which increase the velocity of the standard electro-thermal fired weapon. When a round is to be fired, the projectile is loaded into the barrel, behind which there is a "propellant", which is a dot of light metal (solid or liquid). A powerful electromagnetic force is applied to the metal, which causes its atoms to "switch" directions. This happens so violently that the metal turns to plasma, and this expanding gas then drives the projectile forward. This is where the EMAS system takes control. As soon as the round is fired, or after the electrical force is applied to the propellant, capacitors (which had built up energy from the generators, motor, and batteries) discharge electrical energy into a series of circuits which are routed to coils placed along the barrel of the weapon (which is laminated to prevent magnitization of the barrel). The coils generate a magnetic field with the 'south' field attracting the round, as it approaches, the 'north' field takes control, propelling the magnetized round (with north facing out of the barrel, and south facing towards the breech) to the next coil. The process is repeated three more times. This allows for the round to be propelled from the barrel at a much greater velocity than would a standard electro-thermal cannon. Now, you may be asking, 'well, how did the round get magnitized?' The answer is simple, when the electricity is applied to the propellant to propel the round from the barrel, the entire breech is effectively drenched in electricity, and when electricity is wrapped around a metal object, it tends to magnitize (depends on what rounds you use). The barrel itself is laminated to prevent it from becoming magnitized.

However, the cannon also utilizes the Dynamic Gas Assist [DGA] which is a seperate tank of inert, inflammible gas. At the end of the tank is a large piston combined with a recoil absorbing system to take recoil generated by the main gun and use it to drive the piston which will compress the gas. When the main gun fires, the gas will be compressed and then it will absorb heat from the firing of the main gun, creating an intense pressure. A valve opens and the heated, compressed gas travels through a series of venturii, creating a low-pressure, very high-velocity gas flow which then enters the barrel directly behind the round, increasing its speed, improving its stability, and increasing over-all range. It also doubles as a recoil reduction system [as it transfers recoil momentum to drive the piston] and a heat absorption system, absorbing the heat and dissipating it along with the firing of the round.

Since the cannon is built into a turret, it can rotate 360-degrees and can aim upwards 32 degrees and -7 degrees. Around the firing mechanism and the barrel is enclosed in the SB-AHAS Heat-absorbing and dissipating shroud which absorbs the heat and dissipates it over a wide area. This cannon can easily destroy most main battle tanks at ranges out to 5 miles with diminishing effects thereafter (less effective, less damage).

Ammunition- Can effectively use any type of ammunition (in 120mm) as long as the round's own propellant (and casing) is removed (this includes ball-type, discarding sabot, HE, DU, tungsten, etc.). The cannon also fires barrel-fired ATGMs or other missiles.


Next Generation Auto-Loader

The ST-29 employs the Doomingsland-designed autoloader, given an ARSB designation of TL-M-90A. The tank’s autoloader is a tribute to Imperial military engineering. By utilizing a duel-feed system, the autoloader can quickly and efficiently load the different types of rounds used by Imperial forces. Two belts, fed from an armored steel box containing the ammunition, go into a mechanism directly behind the gun itself, each belt containing a different type of ammunition. When the gunner or commander wants to load a round, the autoloader would go to work, the belt system pushing the appropriate round into the mechanism, and a hydraulic arm pushing the round forward into the chamber. Although this makes for a very heavy system, the benefits outweigh the problems: the autoloader provides the main gun with an amazing rate of fire of 30 rounds per minute. An electronic system, the Advanced Target Designation and Aquisition System (ATDAS) allows for the gunner or commander to pre-designate hostile units for destruction using a thermal tracking system. In addition to this, an intervehicle communication system allows for other tanks to see which hostile units are already designated for destruction, as to allow them to more evenly spread their fire and conserve ammunition. This would allow for them to designate the order in which they are engaged, and what type of ammunition is used. In addition to this, an intervehicle communication system allows for other tanks to see which hostile units are already designated for destruction, as to allow them to more evenly spread their fire and conserve ammunition. Once the targets are inputed, the first round would drop in and get slammed forward into the breech. As soon as it was chambered, the following round would drop into the mechanism behind it. As soon as the chambered round was fired, the breech would be opened and the round instantly slammed in, and the process would be repeated.




Secondary Weaponry

The primary second armament is a triple-barreled rotating 25mm cannon mounted in its own remote-controlled (by commander) mini-turret with its own thermal imager. The cannon is tied into the tank's 'Integral Fire Control Suite', which ties in all offensive/defensive systems into a centrally operated threat detection/targetting system. This allows the cannon to target anything the tank's main gun is tracking or targetting or anything that shows up on detection systems, meaning this cannon can target and annihilate anything seen on the thermal imagers, millimetric radar, LIDAR, LADAR, electro-optical, or low-light optical sensors. Now, this 25mm cannon isn't a conventional weapon as its a centrifuge-type weapon, as mentioned above. Instead of a conventional system, the 25mm cannon fires using a centrifuge-layout with the rotating barrel counter-rotating to the rotation of the centrifuge (therefore reducing wear on the barrel while stabilizing the rounds). The rounds fired are 25mm slugs with no propellant (safer, no noise, no muzzle flash) and are fired at firing rates reaching 120,000 rounds per minute (capable but not likely). The centrifuge's electrical motor is programmable to firing rates from 1000 rounds per minute and up and can program the velocities from 1500 feet per second all the way to 8000 feet per second. Can you say total target saturation? Not to mention the fact that each round exits the barrel only a 1/32nd of an inch behind the round in front of it meaning you fire a quick burst at a tank and you can maybe punch through its armor, imagine the effects on infantry fighting vehicles, light vehicles, helicopters, aircraft, and infantry? Ouch. The mini-turret is also connected to the active missile defense systems and can be used to target missiles, aircraft, or other enemy units (such as ATGM crews). The mini-turret also maintains a 40mm grenade launcher.

The coaxial weapon on the ST-29's primary turret is a 20mm electro-thermal magnetically assisted automatic cannon, further enhanced by the dynamic gas assist. The increase in engine size allows for such a weapon to be powered. While this weapon serves as an excellent weapon against APCs and other light vehicles, its primary purpose is to be used in conjunction with the main gun against reactive armor. The cannon uses a setup not unlike that of a spotting rifle, set up so that the round impacts in the same exact spot the round from the 120mm ETMAS gun would impact. Both weapons would be fired at the same exact same time, and the lighter round of the 20mm would allow for a slightly higher velocity, making the round impact just nanoseconds before the 120mm round. The 20mm round would set off any reactive armor, allowing for the larger round to continue on through and decimate the conventional layers of armor.

Additional weaponry includes a mini-turreted (and gunner or commander remote controlled) 12.7mm machine gun with its own secondary thermal imagers. This system was mainly designed for taking out close threats including infantry, helicopters, or other threats. It can be used in conjunction with the close in defense systems.

Up to two advanced autoloading 81mm mortars can optionaly be placed on the side mounts. These breach loading weapons are in their own self-sealed pods, and utilize a duel feed belt loading autoloader, giving the mortar a very high rate of fire. The weapon is capable of turning upwards a full 90 degrees, and 15 degrees to the side, giving it decent maneuverability. It is designed to work in conjunction with the D-AUV-1-A system, taking target data gathered by the unmanned drone and providing exceptional indirect fire support. This allows for the M-29A4 to effectively engage targets ragning from dug in ATGMs and infantry to armored vehicles without exposing itself. There are generaly two types of rounds used with the mortar: a laser guided beehive round (which contains its own milimetric wave radar), which can be used against infantry or against the external sensor systems of an enemy armored vehicle, or a laser guided high-explosive duel-purpose round, designed for destroyed armored vehicles and bunkers.

The final weaponry includes a crew served 7.8mm anti-personnel machine gun, which can be recessed and covered in its own 'storage' box.



Integrated Modular Side-Turret Weaponry Mount System-
This system is a series of slides and pivot joints to allow for the addition of multiple weapons to the side of the turret, those weapons are as follows:

.50 MG (AA)
Any higher-caliber AA Cannons (up to two on each side)
ATGM missiles
ATGM missile pods
LOSAT (Line of Sight- Anti-Tank)-tubes
Unguided rocket pods
SAM Missile Pods
Autoloading 81mm mortars
Sensor equipment
Communications equipment

Rear Turret Weapons System
The RTWS is a bank of weaponry that can be mounted on the rear of the turret. The foremost of these systems is the MGL-56D missile launch system. The system includes an armored 'bank' of a dozen laser-guided munitions. The bank is hydraulically lifted or tilted (its default setting is tilted at a fifty degree angle). If a target is chosen, the gunner illuminates a target with a laser or infrared beacon and fires a missile. The missile locks onto the infrared beacon (which can be set at a certain infrared wavelength [usually towards the end of the infrared spectrum that is hardest to create using flares, heat, etc.]) or laser and maneuvers toward the target, even being able to change course (assuming target is far enough away). The ATGMs fired are a variant of the ATM-7B anti-tank missile with their guidance system replaced with an infrared beacon/laser locator. Some of these missiles are modified to carry grenades (releasing grenades over a target) or a down-ward facing shrapnel round for engaging enemy infantry lines. The laser designators and infrared beacons are located on two small rotating turrets that can be used together or independently to target two different vehicles (commander targetting one, gunner targetting the other) and firing two missiles at the same time.

Also, standard ATGMs can be mounted to the rear of the turret.



SYSTEMS

Without fire control systems, a tank is nothing. The ST-29 has an abundance of inter-connected fire control systems, all working together to make this tank the most advanced tank in the world.

3ADS (ARQ-690)- Integral Fire Control System- This system is a series of infrared, IRST, millimetric wave radars, and flat panel directive wave radar systems designed to give the commander an all-around view of the tank and anything within its viewing range. The system utilizes these modes of detection located in many different 'banks' of sensors which are usually armor protected. The system is connected to a threat identification computer as well as a fire control computer (which is then linked to the AEISCN or Soviet Bloc DefenseNet) giving the commander and gunner the ability to fire on targets while watching targets on the sides and rear (which can be miles away but being detected using another tank's sensors) and even fire on those targets using ATGMs or firing the cannon in a way resembling artillery. This system also works in conjunction with the close in defense systems.


ALMRS/TTAC-09 Mk. V system: Tracks up to 90 enemies and ranks them according to range, heading, threat level, and tank-type to provide best possible firing solution. Also computes MOA and other variables and automatically sets turret and barrel to correct heading (when this feature is engaged) and can fire on up to two targets simultaneously (assuming ATGM's are on their respectable slides). Also tracks and targets enemy targets at up to 500 ft. altitude and up to 30 miles away (Depending on weather conditions, terrain, and other factors).

SB-AFCS-S1 system: This advanced fire control system allows for the ST-29 to engage moving targets while the ST-29 is on the move. The barrel will always remain aimed at target while tank is in motion and will not waiver even over small hills, dips, bumps, and other obstructions. The barrel will always target enemy unit unless commander targets a new target or disengages system. The SB-AFCS-S1 system will continually track all targets and align barrel to fire on the target even if the target is on the move, the barrel will constantly update and move with the target while computing wind, weather, and MOA abilities for the best possible accuracy. The barrel will move on two different axis'. The commander's station is outfitted with nightvision capabilities, infrared capabilities, radar tracking capabilities (if an EW, radar aircraft, or radar station is near and able to send information), and advanced targetting systems. The commander's station is also outfitted with a periscope with nightvision, infrared capabilities, and a computerized screen to locate targets if they are obscured. Coupled with this system is the ALRS (Advanced Laser Range-finder System) which utilizes a laser rangefinder with a triple layer screen with crystals at different angles to scatter any enemy lasers that are attempting to disable the rangefinder. The rangefinder laser passes through a roughly 3mm hole in the screen.

SB-AMWRS-01- Millimetric wave radar

SB-ALDRS-58D - Joint LIDAR/LADAR system with emitters, receivers, and central processing unit.

ARENA Mk. III NEW- The ARENA Mk. III is a revolutionary new system, using a mini-turreted microwave emitter as its active missile defense system. The emitter uses microwaves to fry an incoming missile's electronics at ranges of several hundred meters, rendering the missile useless and likely either causing it to crash or detonate prematurely.

Shtora-3 defense suite: Scrambles enemy laser rangefinder, making it nearly impossible for enemy tank to fire, unless they guess the range. Also scrambles enemy communications systems and tracking systems. Also interferes with enemy laser-based systems and laser-type weapons by using a controlled beam of ultraviolet rays to scatter the laser (communications systems, weapons systems, rangefinder systems).
*Note- The Shtora-3 system can be seen on the very top picture, directly above the cannon, well, at least the emitter portion.*

AEISCN-03: Shares target information with other friendly tanks in the field along with other information, also allows friendly tanks in large numbers to make coordinated attacks through out the battlefield. Also allows friendly tanks to instantly reorganize into new squadrons and divisions for new assaults and also relays all information back to command. This system also checks in every 2 minutes (or shorter; can be adjusted) with GPS and military satellites to update terrain and enemy movements [ARSB satellites aid this and can pinpoint location with an accuracy of 30 feet). Also takes updated information and relays it to the commander's screen which displays all friendly tanks, enemy tanks, standing orders, enemy formations, buildings, objects, and other environmental objects. Coupled with this system is the SB-LRRCS (Long-range Radio communications set) with a range of roughly 450 miles.

NBC System SB-CAP-1 - This NBC system protects against nuclear, biological, and chemical threats as well as seal of the internal areas of the tanks from the outer environment, relying on an SB-AIR-M air recycling and cleaning unit to provide breathable oxygen to the tank's crew.

Periscope systems- Twin periscopes (commander periscope mentioned before)- Gunner periscope is outfitted with infrared technology, night vision tech, and the AEISCN-01 system (which shows enemy units based on satellite and aircraft intelligence or intel from other friendly ground untis). Also, on both periscopes is an active recording/viewable video camera (that can record or display in infrared, low light, night vision, millimetric radar or with computer-added symbols [arrows, boxes; to display locations of enemy units, friendly units, obstacles])

D-AUV-1-A - This is an advanced UAV launching, recieving, and control system that allows for the launching of M-129 unmanned ariel drones. These small, backpack sized drones utilize a central fan system for lift, and maintain their own milimetric band radars, laser range finders, and IR scanning systems. Data from the drone can be then relayed to the tank, which allows for enemies to be located from around corners and over hills, giving the M-29A4 superb first-look-first-kill capability. The laser range finder can also be used in conjunction with the ATGM bank or optional mortars for superb indirect fire capabilities.




Direct Neural Interface

The DNI-AV (Direct Neural Interface- Armored Vehicle) is a Direct Neural Interface system (originally developed for the VEPR NGCS Infantry Combat System) that allows the crew to operate the tank using their own minds, although auxiliary systems are present to allow for manual operation. Targetting information is transferred directly into the gunner's and commander's own minds, allowing each to target and fire using their own respective systems. A direct feed allows all three crewmembers (driver, gunner, commander) to view all data gathered by the detection systems, allowing the driver to use millimetric radar, thermal imagers, low-light optics, LIDAR/LADAR, electro-optical, etc. to drive the tank and avoid targets while allowing the commander to designate targets in a three dimensional space for the gunner to target and fire on using the main gun. The DNI is a neural implant that intercepts signals from the crew's mind and transfers it directly to a computer system (or vice versa; computer to mind). The system allows the driver to drive and control all facets of the tank's propulsion and driving through his mind, while the two combat crew utilize the system to create a perfect mating of man and machine, creating such a lethal pair that this tank is bound to come out on top against any opponent it faces. This combination of man and machine gives the crew a level of capability that is unmatched, making the ST-29 the perfect killing machine.

Targetting information is gleaned from all active and passive detection systems and organized into easy-to-understand, readable displays in the crew's minds. Each system is seperate and shows each seperate crewmember information specific to their mission. A central computer system takes all data and turns it into three streams (one to each crewmember) which then enter the crewmember's mind directly by stimulating different portions of the brain.



Modular Construction

Its been proven that the more technologically advanced something gets, the more it breaks down. This cannot be helped as there are far too many things that can malfunction. However, the ST-29s designers took this to heart to create a modular tank. Each 'sub-system' is independent of each other and in the event something malfunctions it can be removed within minutes and replaced (providing the correct logistical support is nearby). Its engine is mounted on a sliding mechanism that can slide out and stay suspended in the air (on its rails) and be serviced in that position (giving the repairers the ability to repair anything on the tank and not just the visible portion [as would be on a conventional tank] or in a maintenance shop). The engine compartment was designed to be pulled out with little assistance. Four men can accomplish it. The engine itself is even modular, composed of eight distince 'pieces' which can be easily removed and replaced. The suspension is its own sub-system as is the drive train. The transmission is its own subsystem composed of three modular sections. The turret can be removed with little effort. The commander's section and its computers are all designed for easy replacement as is every other notable feature of this tank.

The average field service time for this tank (a complete field overhaul [in ARSB's standards] is the replacement of the following: engine, transmission, drive-train, track system, ERA panels, and the driver compartment) is now at a record time: 36 minutes. Of course, this is providing that you have the logistical power to do this. If you have little logistical support for an advancing armor group, then don't expect the modularity of this tank to help too much. But if you have strong supply lines, great logistical support, and efficient maintenance personnel, then you'll be able to watch as a burnt out hull of a tank is returned to active duty in a little over half an hour.




Other

The ST-29 maintains an enhanced frame, strenghtened braces, low radar signature (due to absorbant materials coating outer layer of armor), low heat signature (Using SB-AHAS [see SB-NTC cannon]), low visual signature (low height, fairly narrow) for survial systems.

Ergonomical features- Engine based heater (for winter), Central air cooling system or underside-opening vents for fresh air, heated seats, defoggers, dehumidifier (to reduce moisture in air and reduce condensation inside turret), low-noise fans, ergonomically-placed lights

Storage is present for the storage of up to three assault rifles and ammunition.



-Specifications-
Height- 2.2 meters
Length- 9.5 meters
Width- 3.9 meters

Weight- 81 tons

Crew- 3 (driver, gunner, commander)



Obstacle-transversal height: 1.4 meters
Fording depth- 2 meters (without snorkel) 3.8 meters (with snorkel)

Engine- MVE-9000-EXA1 1500 horsepower, turbocharged diesel engine with hybrid fuel cell/battery powerplant

Fuel capacity- 250 gallons (45 gallon reserve included)
Range- 790 kilometres (on fuel alone; does not include electrical power systems)

Transmission- AHE-5851-R2 Advanced Electrically-Fired Hydrostatic Transmission system (powered by electricity and with an auxiliary manual transmission system)

Speed-
Top road speed: 54 miles per hour
Top off-road speed: 45 miles per hour

Yeah dude, I have another Doomingsland-Soviet Bloc made tank that's more recent than the King Arbiter. It could probably take on like 4 of those at once and win.

Also, THIS IS FREAKING OCC! YOU CAN GIVE US STATS! YOU CAN TELL US WHERE YOU ARE!!! Jesus. And no, you do have to give us stats, otherwise we can consider it a god-mode and ignore it.

You use the Defilier right?

You use the Defilier right?

Yeah, I think so.

I will be gone for more than 10 days, I leave today.

I will be gone for more than 10 days, I leave today.

...And you only told us today why?

...And you only told us today why?

Shit happens. :)

It is my assault tank, which I use for...erm...assaulting.
I am just showing off and showing you my most powerful tank.
Specifications :
Length : 12m (1942 version : 10.09)
Height 4m (3.63)
Weight : 215000kg (180000kg)
Armour : 10in (?)
Armour type : Classified* (?)
Turret : 360 degrees rotatable (?)
Main armament : 150mm (128mm)
Speed : 20mph (20kph)
*Dont want you using that info against me.
It would take 4 anti-tank missiles or 8-10 shells to destroy this monster.
While your tank will probably be faster and more advanced, your tank will take much less shells to destroy than the Maus.
The A2 is a upgraded version of the original Maus, so many crap features are either fixed, or got rid of.
You could bomb it, but you could also bomb infantry,and any other tank out there
Naturally, this is a highly expensive tank to produce, so I only have 10,000 of these compared to my main battle tank - 35,000.

For technical info OOC but not usable against me:

Length: 9 meters
Width: 4 meters
Height: 2.25 meters
Top speed: 60 kilometers a hour on road
40 kilometers a hour off road
Range: 500km on road
300km cross country
Armament: 1x LNF-18 150mm EM coil Gun*
1x 7.62mm machine gun
Box launchers on side of turret for Anti-tank missiles.
Propulsion: Green Sun hybrid engine/ with willink modifications.

Armor: Amount is classified, but has reinforced titanum, depleted uranium panals, and electro magnetic armor pannels, along with slat armor to protect the rear.

*Main gun can penetrate 515mm of armor, which in real life would destroy any modern tank it one hit.

*A gun that accelerates a bullet to a speed of 13,000 miles per hour in 0.2 seconds, Coil guns, as the name implies, are made up of a series of individual EM coils wrapped around a non-conductive barrel. The coil gun accelerates the projectile, which in this case must be made of a ferromagnetic (affected by magnetic fields) but non-magnatizable metal, by energizing the coils individually to attract the projectile to the center of each coil. As the projectile is pulled into the center of each coil, the electrical current is cut and the next coil in the sequence is energized, accelerating the projectile down the barrel.

5 hits in my case, if shells hits same spot.
The tank uses Chobham armour.
(Yes I can afford it, Im no longer a nation with 10 million).
Normal 3in Chobham armour would take two of the most powerful shells destroy, mine is 10in.

5 hits in my case, if shell hits same spot.
The tank uses Chobham armour.
(Yes I can afford it, Im no longer a nation with 10 million).


What type of armor does it have ?, that effects weight.

The tank weighs 215000kgs.
Its incredibly slow, but makes up with defense and armour.
Chobham armour.
The tank is more of a mobile fortress.

"It has chobam armor"

So does the challanger 2 and the M1A1, and both of them are still destroyed in one hit. The problem is the shell is moving so fast, in renderes outer armor useless, and is uranium-reinforces, which makes it incredebly dense= more penetration.

Hmmm ? Ok, 3 shots.
Its 10in of Chobham were talking about here.

First thing, you can't have that many tanks. The price of Chobham armor is over $100,000 for the smallest piece. So equipping a tank with Chobham armor would be amazingly expensive, even more so if you have 10 inches of it. It would cost you tens of billions to get $10,000 tanks. Other aspects, like military upkeep, economic upkeep, etc. would receive neglect.

Also, I think 10 inches might be a little unreasonable.

Third, the MBTs that pretty much all coalition (my side) members have could probably fire a HEAT round which would penetrate and destroy the tank. Then again we could fire a KE-penetrator round and smash right through your armor, even easier.

And I may be wrong, but I think that it would be heavier and slower, much.

Yea, outpost, Im sorry to tell you, but your tank is screwed...

Lol, its even worse to use a design from 1940.

Indeed, it is.

*Cough* *Skincher* *cough*
Put it this way...this tank would be used if I managed to capture a segment of a enemy military base, then I would send a few of these in to keep the
position(s) under control.
10in of any armour would only be penetrated by the finest anti-tank missiles in 2 shots.
Combine that with Cobham armour, well thats a tough nut to crack (If you pardon the expression).
The original Maus had 7in armour, so 10in is not that unrealistic.
This is a incredibly slow tank, that is correct.

Skincher is not gonna be able to save your rolling target... or your country for that matter...

The tank I use is able to destroy virtually any tank around.. except for the designs after it...

anyway... you wont be abe to get into any of our military bases, so you wont have to worry about holding them.

You can have your tanks, you can have their speed, and their 10 in. of armor. But one shot from my tank will no doubt take them down.

Now, can you get to RPing.

Ten inches of armor is easily penetrated by most modern anti-tank missiles (254mm of armor. A fuckin' RPG can go through that, if I'm not mistaken), even more so with the guns they're mounting on tanks now aday's. Chobham's really only really effective against HEAT-type rounds (a bit more effective on KE when DU is thrown in, but that's not the point), and practically everyone uses kinetic energy rounds. Just stacking shitloads of armor on your tank isn't really gonna do much.

In short, the others have spoken the truth, your tank is pretty much screwed when faced with the stuff they're using (I should know, I designed them, and trust me, the weapons I've mounted on them will go right through your armor without much trouble. Besides, your tanks would be so slow, it wouldn't take much effort to flank the thing and get a side hit in, plus air support would be able to pwn the thing like there's no tommorow.

Ten inches of armor is easily penetrated by most modern anti-tank missiles (254mm of armor. A fuckin' RPG can go through that, if I'm not mistaken), even more so with the guns they're mounting on tanks now aday's. Chobham's really only really effective against HEAT-type rounds (a bit more effective on KE when DU is thrown in, but that's not the point), and practically everyone uses kinetic energy rounds. Just stacking shitloads of armor on your tank isn't really gonna do much.

In short, the others have spoken the truth, your tank is pretty much screwed when faced with the stuff they're using (I should know, I designed them, and trust me, the weapons I've mounted on them will go right through your armor without much trouble. Besides, your tanks would be so slow, it wouldn't take much effort to flank the thing and get a side hit in, plus air support would be able to pwn the thing like there's no tommorow.

Told ya.

lol Borman. Doom, you own.

Ten inches of armor is easily penetrated by most modern anti-tank missiles (254mm of armor. A fuckin' RPG can go through that, if I'm not mistaken), even more so with the guns they're mounting on tanks now aday's. Chobham's really only really effective against HEAT-type rounds (a bit more effective on KE when DU is thrown in, but that's not the point), and practically everyone uses kinetic energy rounds. Just stacking shitloads of armor on your tank isn't really gonna do much.

In short, the others have spoken the truth, your tank is pretty much screwed when faced with the stuff they're using (I should know, I designed them, and trust me, the weapons I've mounted on them will go right through your armor without much trouble. Besides, your tanks would be so slow, it wouldn't take much effort to flank the thing and get a side hit in, plus air support would be able to pwn the thing like there's no tommorow.

Lol, Outpostcommand, Doomie pwned you.

We shall see...
I got a few more suprises attached to my tank to reveal.
I would not waste billions on a tank unless it was really effective.

OOC:
I'm sorry but you could only afford around 10 of those tanks if you only bought tanks. If you want infantry and naval vessels, you would only be able to afford around 3 of the types of tanks that you are describing. Unless you want to send your nation into a Depression worse than the one that the USA went through during the late 1910's into early 1920's.

Most of my materials are from Skincher,
But now that is not the point...
THE WAR IS OFF
Why ?
because I refuse to fight without my main ally The Helghan Empire.

Hmm should we allow helghan to fight? It seems a waste to have gone this far, and then not war. And I doubt Swilatia wants to fight alone.

Helghan has yet to complete his registration for the forums let alone post in them. He's scared to fight. I say we decare victory and pillage their cities.

Helghan has yet to complete his registration for the forums let alone post in them. He's scared to fight. I say we decare victory and pillage their cities.

I like that idea more.

Ahh..its good to know that your nation is safe from harm.

Ahh..its good to know that your nation is safe from harm.

I doubt that Helghan Empire and OutpostCommand could do any harm. they couldn't afford as much stuff as i have. Not to mention that if they say they have WMD's, i could afford more than 10x the ammount they would have.

I doubt that Helghan Empire and OutpostCommand could do any harm. they couldn't afford as much stuff as i have. Not to mention that if they say they have WMD's, i could afford more than 10x the ammount they would have.

If they invade me, would you come to my aid?

If they invade me, would you come to my aid?

You are allied with them, so why would they attack you?

You are allied with them, so why would they attack you?

What? Hell no, I am not allied with the Helghan Empire or OutpostCommand. I just happened to be on the same planet as them.

Democracy FTW!

>.>

What? Hell no, I am not allied with the Helghan Empire or OutpostCommand. I just happened to be on the same planet as them.

Democracy FTW!

>.>

Well. I'm not FT. I'm based on NS Earth and not their retarded planet. If i ever decide to go FT, i would just nuke them from orbit and get the war over with.

Well. I'm not FT. I'm based on NS Earth and not their retarded planet. If i ever decide to go FT, i would just nuke them from orbit and get the war over with.

Wait...im PMT. Any war that I declare will be on NS Earth.

Aren't I full of surprises today? :D

Wait...im PMT. Any war that I declare will be on NS Earth.

Aren't I full of surprises today? :D

So? I'm PMT also. I have 25 Million troops (Active and Reserve added together). Roughly 17.5 Million Active and 7.5 Million Reserve.

Doesn't make a big deal to me.

Ok. :D

(My nation wants to avoid war, unlike the other nations on Helghan.)

So? I'm PMT also. I have 25 Million troops (Active and Reserve added together). Roughly 17.5 Million Active and 7.5 Million Reserve.

Doesn't make a big deal to me.

I have 13mil active :), and like 50 mil for consciption, only when i am invaded, but around 8 mil still in reserve (i have mobilized 3 mil reservists already.)

I declare that i shall invade Swilatia , anyone wishing to join me do so.

Helghan has yet to complete his registration for the forums let alone post in them. He's scared to fight. I say we decare victory and pillage their cities.
Sorry, but you cannot declare victory. Surprise to see me here isn't it?
I have now completed registration, so if you are willing to take me back into this war, then I am ready.

Sorry, but you cannot declare victory. Surprise to see me here isn't it?
I have now completed registration, so if you are willing to take me back into this war, then I am ready.

Yes, now i can kill someones troops besides doomies !

What? Hell no, I am not allied with the Helghan Empire or OutpostCommand. I just happened to be on the same planet as them.

Democracy FTW!

>.>
Hmm...a South Helghan I see. A Helghast breed that believes in Democracy. Hmph, pathetic. Question: Why are you on the same planet if you are not allied. And besides, you're on a different region, to be offically on my planet, you have to be in my region.

I have 13mil active :), and like 50 mil for consciption, only when i am invaded, but around 8 mil still in reserve (i have mobilized 3 mil reservists already.)

I declare that i shall invade Swilatia , anyone wishing to join me do so.

Erm.....50 million troops is a godmod. Normally you go at most 2.5% of your nations Population. But most nations don't go over 20 Million Active Troops. I've heard of people having up to 30 Million (with 20 Million Active and 10 Million Reserve), but no one has ever gone over 20 Million Active.

Yes, now i can kill someones troops besides doomies !
Willink, remember, Borman Empire has taken me out and might put me back in. So don't get too happy. Although happiness will be a long way from you if the war continues and Borman lets me in.

Erm.....50 million troops is a godmod. Normally you go at most 2.5% of your nations Population. But most nations don't go over 20 Million Active Troops. I've heard of people having up to 30 Million (with 20 Million Active and 10 Million Reserve), but no one has ever gone over 20 Million Active.


Never said that, i said if i am invaded i can activate 50 million Home defense conscript troops, sure my economy would go to shit, but i would need them, just give them boots and an M16 and their ready to go.

Never said that, i said if i am invaded i can activate 50 million Home defense conscript troops, sure my economy would go to shit, but i would need them, just give them boots and an M16 and their ready to go.
err...read that wrong



*Slams head against wall*.... :headbang:


EDIT: If anyone wants to see the breakdown of my armed forces. Click the link in my signiture that says "The Pure Socialist Holy Empire of Shazbotdom" then at that site (there will be 2 pop-ups, can't fix that), click "Breakdown of Forces" on the slide menu on the right side, then click "Marines". That will show the breakdown of my Marine Corps. This includes the 4 Active Companies of the Marine Corps, 2 Active Companies of the Marine Corps SpecOps, 1 Active Company of the SCS Special Forces, 2 Active Companies of the Marine Air Force, and the Reserves (Marine Reserve, Air National Guard, Marine Corps of Engineers, Coast Guard and Marine Corps Recruiters)

2.5%? The number is always going lower isn't it? When I joined I was reading like 10%, then and mostly like 5% while in war, and now 2.5%!?

But since Helghan is registered, I don't want all this work to have been a waste. I'd like to let Helghan join and start the RP.

Shazbotdom, if Borman lets me and my requests into the war, then I will get off the fact that you did not telegram me and let you freely into the battle. Besides I clearly know that you did not telegram me. But if BE lets me have my requests and the position to lead the Helghast forces, I will let you and anyone of Borman's choice into the battle.

(Oh, now that I see Borman lets me in, then ignore the parts of letting me into the war)

2.5%? The number is always going lower isn't it? When I joined I was reading like 10%, then and mostly like 5% while in war, and now 2.5%!?

OOC:
Well. thats what i heard. I went with 5% when i started for my forces, but as i grew larger i couldn't be able to afford the 5% so i just stuck with only having 25 Million with it divided between Active and Reserve.


Anyways...enough with the trying to figure out military percentages. I posted in the IC thread with a news thing about what is currently going on in Shazbotdom.

Hmm...a South Helghan I see. A Helghast breed that believes in Democracy. Hmph, pathetic. Question: Why are you on the same planet if you are not allied. And besides, you're on a different region, to be offically on my planet, you have to be in my region.

Pathetic my ass. At least my nation isn't filled with pompous pricks like you. And what the fuck do you mean by your planet?! I don't see your fucking name on it. And there is no way in hell that I am moving to a region with only 3 nations. (Two of which are provoking a war for stupid reasons.)

REFERENCE:

IC Thread is HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442518)

Pathetic my ass. At least my nation isn't filled with pompous pricks like you. And what the fuck do you mean by your planet?! I don't see your fucking name on it. And there is no way in hell that I am moving to a region with only 3 nations. (Two of which are provoking a war for stupid reasons.)
:smirks:
You are such a small nation, and such an ignorant one too. My allies nations are fiercly loyal to me, and I the same to them.
And I think it does have a name on it. In case you don't know: it's called The Helghan Planet. You got that?
By the way, you are pathetic. And besides, me and my allies are older than you and better veterans. (I don't care if you say that the nations against me are better than I)
I'd like to battle against your nation. Oh how I wish that Borman let you be his ally. Maybe we can fight two on two later after the war. Me, OutpostCommand vs. you and some other nation.
But right now, I need to focus on this war. I don't want your punitive nation to be smashed so soon.

Can you 2 stop? This isn't a bickering thread, this is an OOC thread for the war.
Don't start flaming or you both will be reported to the moderation.
Thank you for your cooperation.

Calm you him down please.

:smirks:
You are such a small nation, and such an ignorant one too. My allies nations are fiercly loyal to me, and I the same to them.
And I think it does have a name on it. In case you don't know: it's called The Helghan Planet. You got that?
By the way, you are pathetic. And besides, me and my allies are older than you and better veterans. (I don't care if you say that the nations against me are better than I)
I'd like to battle against your nation. Oh how I wish that Borman let you be his ally. Maybe we can fight two on two later after the war. Me, OutpostCommand vs. you and some other nation.
But right now, I need to focus on this war. I don't want your punitive nation to be smashed so soon.

Ahh..yes. Crushing a small nation will definitely make you look tough.

Another day in quicksand.

Ahh..yes. Crushing a small nation will definitely make you look tough.

Another day in quicksand.
I don't want to look tough, I only need the strength, dominince and less nations that will stand in my way.

Just a question (flame and I will report you): Why do you call youself a Helghast if you are not a fascist and not militaristic? You say that you are on the same planet so that means you are the same race as I am, also meaning that you are to be so very ruthless, why is that too?. Are you like my nation - or are you a coalition against Helghast donimation?
True Helghasts are ruthless and brutal.

I don't want to look tough, I only need the strength, dominince and less nations that will stand in my way.

Just a question (flame and I will report you): Why do you call youself a Helghast if you are not a fascist and not militaristic? You say that you are on the same planet so that means you are the same race as I am, also meaning that you are to be so very ruthless, why is that too?. Are you like my nation - or are you a coalition against Helghast donimation?
True Helghasts are ruthless and brutal.

We are ruthless and brutal, just not to our own kind. Expansion is not our goal at the moment. Our goal is to grow and create a strong military that will make others think twice before interfereing in our interests.

Time is on our side, so we have no reason to rush.

Guys, just stop bickering.

And Helghan, your message to my leader seemed like OOC. But I replied IC. And for OOC reference, I will let you make the first move.

We are ruthless and brutal, just not to our own kind. Expansion is not our goal at the moment. Our goal is to grow and create a strong military that will make others think twice before interfereing in our interests.

Time is on our side, so we have no reason to rush.
Then why Democracy and not Fascism? And you should know that growing your military should not be your only priority, unless it isn't, when my nation was that young our second goals are to make strong allies and spread our propaganda. Take my advice as we are both Helghast breeds.



Borman Empire: I will make a deal with you through TG, I will TG you in a moment, please take me off the Ignore List and put me back on after negotiations. Tell me on this thread when you have done it.

Dictatorship only works effectively during wartimes. During peace, democracy is more effective. Thats why we got a hybrid government. We're a democracy when we're at peace. But when a war comes around, we declare martial law and the General of the Army takes command.
We'll take your advice and seek strong allies.

Unusual for democracy to rule one time and fascism to rule the other.


I know that you and I have know trust in eachother, escpecially that we argued, but do you want to form an alliance or a non-agression pact, especially that we are both Helghast breed?

Unusual for democracy to rule one time and fascism to rule the other.


I know that you and I have know trust in eachother, escpecially that we argued, but do you want to form an alliance or a non-agression pact, especially that we are both Helghast breed?

A non-agression pact would be fine, but not an alliance just yet. My nation's military needs to grow.

That will be fine. You tell me whenver you want an alliance.

That will be fine. You tell me whenver you want an alliance.

Ok.

Ill take you off ignore list now, then head to bed.

Luckily, I could find internet access on my trip, so Im back early.

Luckily, I could find internet access on my trip, so Im back early.
Are you going to post your losses from my missile attacks in the IC thread?

My last post was just a reference post, that's why it was so crummy and short.

Outpost, interesting form of conversation...over a chest game. I like that.

Are you going to post your losses from my missile attacks in the IC thread?
Shazbotdom: I already posted losses for your excuse for a missile attack.
Willink :sniper:
Borman Empire :sniper:
Shazbotdom :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Shazbotdom: I already posted losses for your excuse for a missile attack.
-Snip-

No you didn't. You posted your losses for Jipleastan's missile attack. I fired 40 missiles at your airplanes. Post your losses in the IC thread.

My last post was just a reference post, that's why it was so crummy and short.

Outpost, interesting form of conversation...over a chest game. I like that.
Hmmm....first nice thing I hear all day, and its from my enemy
I need to lie down...

:smirks:
You are such a small nation, and such an ignorant one too. My allies nations are fiercly loyal to me, and I the same to them.
And I think it does have a name on it. In case you don't know: it's called The Helghan Planet. You got that?
By the way, you are pathetic. And besides, me and my allies are older than you and better veterans. (I don't care if you say that the nations against me are better than I)
I'd like to battle against your nation. Oh how I wish that Borman let you be his ally. Maybe we can fight two on two later after the war. Me, OutpostCommand vs. you and some other nation.
But right now, I need to focus on this war. I don't want your punitive nation to be smashed so soon.


As Borman said earlier, almost any one of the nations you are fighting against could take all 3 of you single-handedly, except maybe me.

Hmmm....first nice thing I hear all day, and its from my enemy
I need to lie down...

Incase this hasn't been explained to you yet, OOC has basically no effect on IC. OOC we're not enem nations, but two RPers working on an RP.
RPers usually comment each other on stuff.

OutpostCommand. Submarine patrols wouldn't even notice a submarine sitting on the submarine floor quietly. Submarines don't have portholes or anything to look out of except the parascope, but you can't see unter the submarine with a parascope. So don't use that "my submarine patrols can see your submarine which is SITTING QUIETLY, NOT MOVING on the bottom of the ocean in INTERNATIONAL WATERS.

But im not using radar....oh no, ultrasound.
Youll look as obvious as a turd in a cream soup.

I did some research. I found that Ultrasound only has an effective rate of only around 300 meters. Unless you have your sub dangerously close to the sea floor (close enough to scrape bottom) you wouldn't see me.

Also. What is the "Crush Depth" of your submarines and where can i find the schematics on them?

Jipleastan, I want you to know that it's a war I started and I believe that I am the one to make the rules. Borman should not because he did not start this war.

Several rules have been set down to facilitate the RP and get it going and ending quickly:
1.) Helghan Empire and allies are based on Earth, no other planet
2.) Helghan Empire and allied fleets (However poor or well equipped they may be) are ready and loaded with an invasion force for Borman, and on the edge of their territorial waters
3.) Up to PMT is allowed, absolutely no FT
4.) It is understood that some of the Helghan allies are first time RPers and thus some leniency can be given in terms of breaking RP etiquette and god-moding. But after so many times may patience can run thin and I may be forced to ask someone to leave the RP.
5.) (More to come if needed or remembered, I don’t have that good a short term memory)


Now that we have had a review of the rules, can we now see the fact that there is NO FUTURE TECH WHAT-SO-EVER. Helghan, you didn't even start this war, OutpostCommand did. So he has agreed to no FT got it? Good.

You don't understand do you? Rember when I was a n00b and started a war against Borman Empire throught TGs? Well, I officially started the war with a terrorist attack, it was I who was the real starter. And besides, I wan't able to post in the forums. And ask OutpostCommand, he knows I am the real starter of this war.
Get it, got it, good.

Helghan, you still are a n00b.

The Helghan Empire did start it, for absolutely no reason, not even imperialism.

You may have started the war, but that gives you no right to make the rules. It is up to me to decide whether or not I want to RP with someone. It is my right, and I excersise that right, to play with only MT or PMT nations.
I, despite the obvious fact that you are a n00b (That's why Doom and Wirraway didn't want to participate, because my enemies looked like "total n00bs"), chose to RP with you so long as several rules are met. Largely that there was no FT. If you will not compley, then I, and my allies, will not RP with you. I have many other RPs I could partake in with less-n00bish nations.

I'm sorry to seem harsh, but like I said, I have other RPs to do. You are and are acting like a total n00b and I have to stop it so we can continue.

Any post using FT is to be ignored

Helghan, you still are a n00b.

The Helghan Empire did start it, for absolutely no reason, not even imperialism.

You may have started the war, but that gives you no right to make the rules. It is up to me to decide whether or not I want to RP with someone. It is my right, and I excersise that right, to play with only MT or PMT nations.
I, despite the obvious fact that you are a n00b (That's why Doom and Wirraway didn't want to participate, because my enemies looked like "total n00bs"), chose to RP with you so long as several rules are met.


Yes, good point, i find it amusing his comback is " I created the war, so i make the rules, deal !"

No you didn't. You posted your losses for Jipleastan's missile attack. I fired 40 missiles at your airplanes. Post your losses in the IC thread.
40 missles at 19 planes??

The Helghan Empire did start it, for absolutely no reason, not even imperialism.

I am sure there is a reason why Helghan Would declare war on you, and I am sure its imperialism. War RPs belong to the nation who declares tha war, not the nation that the war is against.

40 missles at 19 planes??

It is called overkill, and at most about 1 or 2 of your planes might survive.

Yes, good point, i find it amusing his comback is " I created the war, so i make the rules, deal !"

Exactly. Listen, Outpost Command, Helghan, and any other would-be FTers in this thread. Just because someone starts a war does not mean that they make the rules that the entire thread is run by. Someone (I don't remember or care who) said that "if we use FT and allow you to do it too, everything is fair." Wrong. None of Borman's allies use FT and some would have little idea of any sort of FT ettiquette or rules (if there even are any). So how 'bout this:

You started the war, Helghan, so you need to be aware that you need cooperation to continue it. If you continue to insist that FT rping in this thread is perfectly fine, the rest of us will take one of two actions:

1) "Fuck this. N00k them all."
Result: War ends with all enemies of Borman being smitten by the vastly superior nuclear arsenals of Borman's allies, not the least of which being my S.M.I.T.E. missiles.

2) "Fuck this. Fire the IGNORE cannons."
Result: All FTers are completely ignored, and this war that once had potential will be done. Finished. No more.

I changed my mind. I will ignore any FT stuff. And this guy that appeared out of no where (The Technology Empire) will be ignored because he is NOT part of this RP.

I changed my mind. I will ignore any FT stuff. And this guy that appeared out of no where (The Technology Empire) will be ignored because he is NOT part of this RP.


I agree. Oh, and bump

Jeez you all are really stubborn aren't you. You heard me, I RP with my FT and it's all of your problems that you use PMT and MT. I even told Borman Empire to try using FT only for this but apparently you just don't want me to use FT. I am RPing with my FT like it or not. I will ignore anyone who will not agree to this. Besides, can't you handle FT.

Using FT when you are flagerantly asked to use MT is against RPing etiquett. I will ignore ANY ATTACKS made upon my nation or that of my allies if it is done with any FT equipment.

Space travel is FT. We are MT or PMT. We can't attack your nation if your on another planet. Thus the war is extremely put in your favor. We don't know how to FP FT. We don't want to RP FT. This war could go on forever because we couldn't fight you back on your own soil.

In Conclusion:
FT vs FT is fine.
MT vs MT is fine
MT vs FT is NOT fine.

Did you read this ?

"Exactly. Listen, Outpost Command, Helghan, and any other would-be FTers in this thread. Just because someone starts a war does not mean that they make the rules that the entire thread is run by. Someone (I don't remember or care who) said that "if we use FT and allow you to do it too, everything is fair." Wrong. None of Borman's allies use FT and some would have little idea of any sort of FT ettiquette or rules (if there even are any)."


Trying as hard as hell not to flame, but this is why you were kicked out of the war in the first place, so stop being such an idiot.

Last time I answer to this type of argument. I use bullets thank you very much and don't you have spaceships? But you won't need them because there will be no way you can retreat my forces back to our homeland.

Willink: Borman is the reason why because he thinks he can make up all the rules. WRONG! He can make the rules of this war IF HE STARTED IT!

Alright. If Helghan decided that he will only use his FT shit. Then i am out of this war.

FT vs MT is most definatly ONE SIDED and i will not participate in a war where there is no chance that i will win. At least i would have a slight chance (maybe 5% to 85%) of winning if everyone was based on NS Earth and there was no goddamn FT. But when a nation doesn't want to be on NS Earth and they use FT when my allies and I have NO WAY of getting to the enemy soil, then i will have no part in this war.

I hope that Borman Empire, Generic Empire, Freudotopia, Jipleastan, Willink, Inkana and War Coalition do the right thing and just quit this RP due to the flagrant godmodding of the Axis Powers.

Last time I answer to this type of argument. I use bullets thank you very much and don't you have spaceships? But you won't need them because there will be no way you can retreat my forces back to our homeland.


If i may remember, for this war for Tech sake, you are based on NS earth, which would be about the size of the sun, and yes, i have PMT space shuttles, but not space battleships, as that is automaticly FT.

Willink: Borman is the reason why because he thinks he can make up all the rules. WRONG! He can make the rules of this war IF HE STARTED IT!



He never said that, and no, if you start the war, you are NOT
entitled to make up the rules, which are unfair to others, it is based on everyones decision.

I hope that Borman Empire, Generic Empire, Freudotopia, Jipleastan, Willink, Inkana and War Coalition do the right thing and just quit this RP due to the flagrant godmodding of the Axis Powers.
I'm not a Nazi you know. And besides, you backing out is probably your act of surrender. Sad, I shed no tears for you as you are pathetic. Couldn't you at least try to go against my FT. I use bullets just like you do.

As I read the threads I was becoming more and more entitled to just ignore this and have it closed. Now that I see Shazbotdom has done so I will to.

Helghan Empire and Outpost Command you are n00bs with no hope of help, ever. I am hereby ignoring you in both TGs, and the forums. You have no skill, potential, willingness to learn, ability, or even an understanding of RP etiquette on the lowest level. You are more then the worst RPers+n00bs I have ever had the misfortune to RP with, you are the worst RPers+n00bs I have ever seen or heard of in my life. I dont want to seem like flaming here, but I just can't get it into your thick subborn skulls any other way. I hope no one will ever have to be forced through the pain and horrors of attempting to RP with you.

Swilatia, you seem to have some potential and at least a willingness to learn, as such I will not ignore you and if you need help with something you may ask me.

I will be informing all of my allies that this war is officially over, have the thread locked, and ignore this entire thing. Now I'll have to find another IC reason to all with Shazbotdom.

I bid good day to you two and hope it's the last I will ever see of you.

yawn,

I don't care if it's just my FT, you are completely frightened of having war on your turf!! I KNEW IT! THE CORRUPT ARE COWARDS AND YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!
And you ignore that, then I will tell you this like I did to the others: JUST FUCKING TRY AND FIGHT AGAINST MY FORCES YOU COWARDLY EMPEROR!

I'm not a Nazi you know. And besides, you backing out is probably your act of surrender. Sad, I shed no tears for you as you are pathetic. Couldn't you at least try to go against my FT. I use bullets just like you do.

Get this right:

What i have done is not an act of surrender. It's me ignoring a godmodding noob
You have no control over my nation. I maintain control.
I don't really care if my leaving makes you sad.
You continue to bait me by calling me names and insulting me. Keep it up and i will report you to the moderation.
I don't fight againt FT because i am Post MT. I don't give a damn if you shoot bullets. If i can't fight you on your own soil i don't fight you at all.

yawn,

I don't care if it's just my FT, you are completely frightened of having war on your turf!! I KNEW IT! THE CORRUPT ARE COWARDS AND YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!
And you ignore that, then I will tell you this like I did to the others: JUST FUCKING TRY AND FIGHT AGAINST MY FORCES YOU COWARDLY EMPEROR!

Thats a flame, and Either , borman, Shazbot, Generic Empire, Freudotopia, Jipleastan or me could all easily beat your ass by themselves.


I will be pleased to see Euro close this, and Borman, how about Shaz joining UNA ?

I dont try to flame but I'm annoyed when you all get on my nerves for a dumb thing.

Alright, I'm done. I've reported The Helghan Empire to the mods and asked for both threads to be closed.

Allies+Swilatia+Any viewers, lets not let this bad experience with Helghan and Outpost ruin RPing with any of us for us.

Also, the Tech Empire is obviously Outpost's puppet and is too being ignored.

Hahahahaha...
Borman has had 3 gaping holes created in his land and there isnt a damn thing he can do about it.
Hahahahaha...thisll be the death of me......hohohohoho...
To fall for something like that....hehehehehe...
If youre in the middle of a war, and someone offers you 3 free nuclear bombs with special ingredients, you DONT accept.
Why ? Because there is a 97.5% that the nuclear warheads were designed to destroy you.
You particularly dont accept the nuclear warheads when theyre offered from someone youve never heard from before.
Sigh...now isnt that something ? Borman and his band of allies are ACTUALLY SCARED OF US !
I never thought the day would come !
So...your precious cruise missiles and cruisers can come near us.
Maybe your cruisers and destroyers can attack us...once you attach anti-gravity boosters to them, or the entirety of space is flooded with water.
Hehehehehe...
You do know that dropships, while heavily armoured, arnt a 1,000,000 meter lump of armour and CAN actually be destroyed.

Although im ignoring you, here ya go:

Borman has had 3 gaping holes created in his land and there isnt a damn thing he can do about it.
Hahahahaha...thisll be the death of me......hohohohoho...
To fall for something like that....hehehehehe...
If youre in the middle of a war, and someone offers you 3 free nuclear bombs with special ingredients, you DONT accept.
Why ? Because there is a 97.5% that the nuclear warheads were designed to destroy you.

That was ignored, mainly because that was obviously your puppet.

Sigh...now isnt that something ? Borman and his band of allies are ACTUALLY SCARED OF US !

Umm..okay, you N00b the war to death, threaten us with WW2 era tanks (AKA Maus 2 Cough cough crap cough cough), you used FT stuff AKA dropships.

I am also officially IGNORING you.

this war is"

IGNORED!

yawn,

I don't care if it's just my FT, you are completely frightened of having war on your turf!! I KNEW IT! THE CORRUPT ARE COWARDS AND YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!
And you ignore that, then I will tell you this like I did to the others: JUST FUCKING TRY AND FIGHT AGAINST MY FORCES YOU COWARDLY EMPEROR!

If someone doesn't want to roleplay with you, they don't have to. So either you're going to have to acknowledge that and roleplay with others who would like to roleplay with you. That's just how it is. Insulting them isn't going to get them to RP with you.

Umm..okay, you N00b the war to death, threaten us with WW2 era tanks (AKA Maus 2 Cough cough crap cough cough), you used FT stuff AKA dropships.
What ?! Saying you threat us with WW2 era tanks is saying that the Thompson is as effective as a BB gun.
Not only is it a tank, but its a updated tank, probably could take on 3 of yours, and come out with moderate damage.
The Borman Empire and his allies have been shot with IGNORE rounds.

The Borman Empire and his allies have been shot with IGNORE rounds.
No flaming to the enemy, but I really hope those cannons will crush their nations.

SPAM !, 4 times