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Ukrainian Journal (E20 News thread)

Zactarn Prime
30-08-2005, 21:38
Ukrainian Government - Ukraine has no formal official government but a candidate has risen and no one is opposing to him. His name is Damek Nilf. He is leader and founder of the first political party in the country The Ukrainian National Part. He will probably be chosen as Prime Official as that will be the formal title for the head of government.

Ukrainian Military - The Ukrainian military consists of 10,000 men 1 Gunship, 2 Patrol Ships, and 4 Battleships. It is a very raw very weak military. They consist of mounted units and regular infantry. They are being trained in Guerilla Warfare and have a tactic of arming flying animals with explosives and using a colar on the birds neck to make it go into a certain area. The explosives are controlled by remote to blow up when the army men feels like hitting the button.

Ukraine Economy - The economy is thriving as they have won independence without war. They were lucky and have been succeeding as it will fall if a president isn't elected.

Ukraine Foreign Policy- undefined

Capital - Brolle Port

Government Budget - 1 million and rising if the government would set up.
Hrstrovokia
31-08-2005, 01:14
OoC: [b]I have some issues with the above post. As it states pretty clearly in the E20 Main Post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002&page=1&pp=15) (see under "Realism Policy"), historical plausibility in E20 is fully enforceable. There's a lot here that's unrealistic, and very little to indicate that you've done research on Ukraine at all, let alone for the time period under consideration.

I'll take it point by point.

Ukrainian Government - Ukraine has no formal official government but a candidate has risen and no one is opposing to him. His name is Damek Nilf. He is leader and founder of the first political party in the country The Ukrainian National Part. He will probably be chosen as Prime Official as that will be the formal title for the head of government.

This is not usually how politics works in real life. People always have strong opinions about policies, and that's why multiple parties appear in democracies, and different factions show up in authoritarian states. I don't know who this "Damek Nilf" is supposed to be, but he's obviously not a real historical figure. Inventing non-historical personalities is strongly discouraged in any circumstances, and while it is admittedly nowhere explicitly forbidden (an oversight which will be changed--this is a work in progress, after all), for major political figures, at least at this time, it is a definite violation of the Realism Policy. There are plenty of actual Ukrainian politicians to use for this RP at the present time, but most of them, of course, are "Russian." This is because Ukraine had a very weak (though real) independence movement prior to the rise of Stalin.
Which brings up another problem. You've still never really justified or provided any background on the independence movement. You just keep saying, effectively, "the Ukrainians are doing <Blank>." What Ukrainians? Why? Who? How many? This is also a violation of the Realism Policy.

Ukrainian Military - The Ukrainian military consists of 10,000 men 1 Gunship, 2 Patrol Ships, and 4 Battleships. It is a very raw very weak military. They consist of mounted units and regular infantry.

The first part of this is alright, then you suddenly give yourself four battleships. First, at this time a battleship was a major investment for even a country like Britain or the United States. It was the equivalent of an aircraft carrier for its day. Second, any battleships Ukraine might have access to would actually be Russian, all of which were recently used in the Great War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9467463). Ukraine does not have four battleships. It doesn't have one.

They are being trained in Guerilla Warfare and have a tactic of arming flying animals with explosives and using a colar on the birds neck to make it go into a certain area. The explosives are controlled by remote to blow up when the army men feels like hitting the button.

This is just fucking ridiculous.

Ukraine Economy - The economy is thriving as they have won independence without war. They were lucky and have been succeeding as it will fall if a president isn't elected.

Again, in the Main Post it is made very clear that you do not decide what your own economic ratings are. The Economic Moderators decide that based on your policies, and post their decisions in the E20 Economics Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9077694#post9077694), which is also where you post your policies. Secondly, Ukraine's economy throughout the Great War was essentially the same as Russia's, and is suffering the same disruptions.

Ukraine Foreign Policy- undefined

Actually, as I recall your autonomy deal, your foreign policy is defined by Russia.

Capital - Brolle Port

I consider it highly mplausible that Ukraine would, for no discernable reason, suddenly up and move their capital from Kiev. "Brolle Port" isn't even a Ukrainian name--I have no idea where you came up with that.

Government Budget - 1 million and rising if the government would set up.

This is totally meaningless. And anyway, Ukraine's budget is still set by Russia last time I checked.

These are all problems, but they can potentially be fixed. However I must remind you that E20 is one of the most demanding RP's in the Forums, considering what you ought to know, and how you ought to play. It requires a lot of research, and a lot of thought to go into serious questions about what might happen and who might do what and why. The rewards, for most of us, are correspondingly worth it. But if you just wanted to do something more casual I'd recommend going elsewhere.