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Attention World Leaders!

ReOrganInc. [Reproduced Organs Incorporated or Project: Reorganics], Cruxgrad's foremost cloning facility and one of the top cloning facilities in the world, have long since learned the art of cloning humans. Now we offer you the following deal;

For just 3 million USD, we will create a clone of yourself which can either be kept for a fee of fifty thousand USD a year, or else can be given to yourselves. With this clone you will be able to harvest organs, blood and bone marrow with no chance of rejection. Feel like having an extra pair of kidneys? It is entirely plausible!

For an additional 2 million USD each, we can cause the following alterations;

-Rapid growth (Need your clone in a rush? Ages by 3 years per year!)
-Improved resistance (By early stage genetical work, we can make your clone far more resistance to modern disease, meaning stronger, more resistant organs!)
-Enhanced senses (Ever wanted better eyesight? Give your clone enhanced vision then simply take the eyes!)

Note: These alterations will introduce a chance of rejection of donar organs, blood and bone marrow.

Important Notice: One clone per customer, per year. There will be NO multiple orders and we shall never, under any circumstance, mass produce clones.

Should you desire any other biological upgrades to your clone, kindly inform us and we shall see what we can do. This may cost upward of 10m USD.

Faithfully,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
C.E.O. ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

The blessed Chris would like to make an offer of $15 billion US for the technology and capacity to emulate such cloning facilities and processes, to facilitate the creation of an automaton infantry division. Such an experiment would be revolutionary in the development of warfare, and would facilitate a new age of warfare in which total war would be both sustainable and viable. Payment will be transmitted upon approval.

Blessed Chris Representative,

We decline such an offer. Not only does 15bn USD fail to come close to, let alone meet the amount of money it took to develop this technology, but we shall not allow this technology to be used in the art of war. There must always be limitations with any new knowledge, and this is one that we have set. With the coming of clone armies, warfare will be revolutionised for the worse.

Thank you, but no thank you.

Faithfully,
Sir IVan Zachis,
C.E.O. ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

We are exceedingly distressed, and indeed, nauseated by the callous attitude towards sentient life applied by ReOrgan Incorporated and its customers. While we are not at all surprised that subjects of less advanced nations would like the benefits of therapeutic tissue replication for themselves, however, we would caution against the use of such methods.

There is no valid ethical reason why a clone has any less right to fair and independent treatment than a person produced by conventional means. While we hold some hope that our efforts at lobbying our government to take more direct action against the perversion of medicine and scient that is the charnel house of ReOrgan Inc. we would also urge any potential customers of ReOrgan Inc. to seek alternatives elsewhere.

Not only are techniques for cellular replacement propagation used in nations such as our own significantly more economical, but as no thinking creature is formed at any stage during procedures, they are also far less morally bankrupt and repugnant.

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Lady Senator Aiyana Tiercean,
Spokeswoman of the Imperial Doctor's Association

Lady Aiyana,

While I am sure your concern means alot to your Government, it means absolutely nothing to us. These clones are sub-human, nothing more than replicated, soulless copy of the original and are only suitable for harvesting.
Such use as clone harvesting is only for our higher end customers.

I suppose you are also against the cloning of cattle and poultry in order to feed our nation? Frankly put, Lady Aiyana, ReOrganInc. will not be put off even remotely by a group of foreign doctors when lives can be extended through this practice.

Yours,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
C.E.O. ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

OOC: Sorry,worth an attempt though.

IC: How does Cruxgrad propose imitating the alterations to characteristics that life engenders, since without perfect emulation, a sentient clone is implausible. Genetics are not altered directly by life, only neurological impulses and routes, and unless Cruxgrad proposes to analyse the subject's brain intricately, replicate it and place it within the clone's cranium, a direct clone is impossible.

Blessed Chris Representative,

In regards to our clones, they are quite sentient, though our Minister for Religion assures us they are also soulless entites. They are biologically a perfect match, unless we alter them to your desire, of course. We have yet to study an adult clone as they are always harvested upon maturity.

We thank you again for your interest and, should you care to purchase some for your royal family, please contact us.

Faithfully,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
C.E.O. ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Fascinating, simply fascinating Sir Zachis, perhaps you would be so kind as to inform me where I can find a soul in any person? I am seriously interested, perhaps you would provide some form of medical disproof of a clone created by any reasonable method being equivalent (excluding the occasional lack of telomeres, replicative fading and so forth) to a stock human given the same treatment

And please, do not burden me with red herrings. If I believed the rights of poultry and cattle were sufficiently important to warrant comparison with those of humans, I would at the very least be a vegetarian. I am not, because I do not consider them equal. While unnecessary cruelty to animals is also disgusting and offensive, it is not an issue of anywhere near the same importance.

As for the comments of the nation of ‘The blessed Chris’ I would point out that the point of the exercise is surely for the clone not to think like its progenitor, but to be used for vivisection as and when the progenitor has a medical problem. One would have to be a little unhinged to desire that a future self be subjected to torture for no apparent reason, after all.

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Lady Senator Aiyana Tiercean,
Spokeswoman of the Imperial Doctor's Association

Lady Aiyana,

On behalf of the Holy Imperator, I would like to question where -you- believe the soul to be in the human body, if indeed you believe in such a thing? We are a highly religious nation, Lady Aiyana, and believe that a human born child is born with a soul gifted by God.

If something is made from human tissue through artificial means, then it was not created as God intended and therefore remains soulless. I foresee your next question as being to do with whether we believe God frowns upon our production of clones and we honestly believe he does not. We clone so that his true children might live longer, fuller lives.

Of course from a medical standpoint if you would rather have humans die terrible deaths from organ failure, when a replacement organ is very easy to grow, then I question what prompted you to enter healthcare. These clones are infact not human as we are human, but as was stated are soulless replicas.

Sincerely,
Commissar Viktor Reichsen,
Ministry for Spirituality & Education.

Aside from my not actually being a healthcare professional, I would ask you again, how do you know that these clones are ‘soulless.’ To answer your question, yes and no – I have seen fairly compelling evidence of some life forms having incorporeal elements of their existence, but I do not believe that any being that is capable of thought is made more or less valuable by the addition or subtraction of such elements. In other words, while I can accept that some beings have ‘spirits’ I do not believe in any ‘soul’ that is discrete from the processes of consciousness.

So, why should your god endow one creature with a soul because it is born in a womb, and not another because it is created by technological means? And if a soul is not a product or intimately linked to consciousness, then why does it enter into your accounting?

As for preventable deaths, it should be blatantly obvious to you that our views can be summed up as follows. The clone has equal value to the template. Therefore, the choices are between either the template dying, or the clone and template dying, it is a simple matter of choosing between one death or two. Obviously, I would choose the one.

Lady Senator Aiyana Tiercean,
Spokeswoman of the Imperial Doctor's Association

Lady Aiyana,

It is the belief of our nation that God chooses humanity as the vessel for the soul, yet since clones are only replicas of humans, they are not wholly human. As they were not descended from His original creations, the clones which from hereon shall be refered to as Replicas, are not granted souls at the time of construction.

As you are not a member of our religion, I do not expect you to understand our beliefs. The fact of it comes down to the fact that it is our religious belief that humanity are the creations of God, thus he gives us souls. Replicas are the creations of humanity, we cannot give them souls and He refuses to.

We also believe that Replicas are for the sole purpose of extending the life-span of the creations of God and, that since we create the Replicas, we have a right to use them in such a manner. Were we to be destroying buildings we built so as to use the materials in another building, would we be having this discussion?

Should you attempt to cease our practice of cloning we would be forced to consider it a breach of our countries rights to free religious practice.

Sincerely,
Commissar Viktor Reichsen,
Ministry for Spirituality & Education.

It is however, indelibly true that the purpose of a cloned being in the context the C'tan refers is the servitude and aid of its progenitor, and accordingly if we assume that livestock are of no spiritual value since their purpose is to proffer meat, then it is a natural progression to attribute the clone the same value, since its purpose is to support another.

Representative for Blessed Chris,

It is true that our clones are kept in the same facility as our live-stock, though they are treated with care, kept in optimal temperature and fed and watered regularly. They are not ill-treated with the exception of the eventual harvesting, though that is not always fatal. In the case of kidney or lung transplant, or even blood or bone marrow transfusion, the Replica can be placed back into storage until such time as is needed.

Faithfully,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
C.E.O. of ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Often, letters to the Elenaran by groups demanding internationalist action are ignored entirely, but when a distinguished senator with many years of long and exalted service sends the letter in question, they tend to be given much more weight than usual.

So it was that the letters of Senator Aiyana were forwarded, and in far from autocratic style, sent for review by Senior Directorate of Military Affairs, a subgroup of the Senatorial Permanent Committee for Legislation and Management, the group Aiyana was a part of.

In time, the SDMA settled on an ultimatum;

To: The Holy Empire of Cruxgrad
From: The Senatorial Directorate of Military Affairs, The Eternal Necrontyr Empire of the C’tan

We are appalled by the civil rights abuses in your nation. It is our belief that basic moral imperatives override national sovereignty. Therefore, we make the following demands:

1 – The liquidation of ReOrganInc and the repatriation of its cloned ‘assets’ to our care
2 – The cessation of the institution of non-consensual slavery within the borders of Cruxgrad

We give ((OOC: Three days)) for either compliance or proof of progress towards compliance to be provided, or we shall commence the utilisation of our assets in operations detrimental to the commercial well-being of your nation.

You are within the rights inherent to all nations to demand the cessation of a practice you find abhorrent, however the presence or abolition of slavery within a nation is an issue for the nation itself to consider, and your proposed intervention to faciliatate the cessation of non-consensual slavery is likely to be construed as unlawful intervention and, if occupation proceeds, imperialism.

Yours sincerely
Lord High Imperator Yriel
Imperator of the Blessed Chris

OOC: The fact that it calls itself an Empire should suggest that maybe Imperialism isn't the same kind of dirty word to them as it is in modern rhetoric. ;)

Senators,

We shall not be threatened into making actions that are undesired by your nation. There is nothing you can do to our economy that would not be worse than the liquidations of ReOrganInc. and the abolishment of slavery. We are appalled by your lack of consideration for our religion and there are various factors you, in your ignorance, should be made aware of.

Our slave labourers are comprised of convicts guilty of sexual crimes, paedophilia and actions harmful to society. The innocent are never placed into slavery.

ReOrganInc clones all of the nations cattle and poultry for slaughter and dairy produce, without such methods, the nation would undergo a famine. Import costs are also far higher than the cost of cloning such animals for breeding.

Your actions would not only induce a national famine but also cause the destruction of the national economy and execution of the enslaved.

We remind you that it is not your place to decide the policies of other nations. Threats will never work with the nation of Cruxgrad nor with the Holy Imperator, we also find it laughable that you can claim to do such a thing in the name of human rights for Replicas- clones, but that it is fine to threaten the lives of normal citizens.

Your requests are denied in the strongest sense.

Sincerely,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

To this there was no answer, if the Necrontyr government cared about the rebuttal by Cruxgrad, there was no official statement to show it.

OOC: That said, 'progress towards' doesn't mean that Cruxgrad would have to risk a famine. Merely show what it's doing towards shutting down ReOrganInc and moving away from a slave-based economy.

EDIT: You're of course, welcome to try and deceive me, which will probably work, assuming it's even a half decent effort.

Taking on board the concerns of the Cruxgrad government, we remind them that providing evidence of progress towards the goals we have outlined may yet avert our taking action.

- SDMA.

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Official Imperial Communique-

To: Sir Ivan Zachis, C.E.O. ReOrganInc
From: Colonel Vladek Chernitsky, Chairman, Imperial Diplomatic Council

The Empire notes with interest your recent developments in the field of cloning research, and notes as well the trouble you have run across in publicly peddling this technology to an unreceptive world. Considering your situation and the unpleasant prospects of occupation by a much larger, more militarily powerful nation, in this case the Ctan Empire, we of the Imperial Nilitary Governing Council have decided that it may be mutually beneficial to pursue the purchase of this technology. We are prepared to pay the sum of 4.5 trillion dollars for all research documents and technological schematics that have gone into the production of your cloning facilities. We feel that these funds may aid you in either reimbursing corporate loss or pursuing weapons research and purchase to prepare for the event of Ctan military action. We hope you will see the reason in our offer. Should you choose not to accept, we wish you the best of luck with the coming Ctan Imperial military intervention.

Colonel Vladek Chernitsky,
Chairman, Imperial Diplomatic Council

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OOC: Well, to be fair, it's mighty unlikely I'll do any such thing. Direct conflict with my wankery is rarely fun. But still. Nice of you to exploit it.

OOC: Well, to be fair, it's mighty unlikely I'll do any such thing. Direct conflict with my wankery is rarely fun. But still. Nice of you to exploit it.

((OOC: Just trying to give him a good scare and make a profit while i'm at it. Opportunity's banging on my door. What else can I do but answer?))

The Imperator slammed his hand down hard on the desk, causing his glass to shake, fall then smash. Crimson wine spilled out across the mahagony as the national leader of Cruxgrad glared at his Minister for Foreign Affairs.

"You tell them that we shall never comply with their demands and when you make the reply, suggest that they are little more than a filthy terrorist organisation! The first sign of military action on their behalf, contact me immediatly and we shall see what we can do to even the numbers of people. As for this... offer of information purchasing, tell them that since we have the market cornered, we will only settle for atleast ten times their pitiful offer, though put it diplomatically." As if he had become a different person, the Imperator sat back in his chair with excessive lethargy and gestured to a nearby servant. "Bring me a poufee you strange little man."

Both the slave and Ivan Zachis scurred out of the room, leaving the Imperator to his wine and his overly comfortable chair.


SDMA Officials,

We still refuse to bow to your pressure, even with your threats of military action. Your behaviour, we find, borders on terrorism and should it continue, we will be forced to take political action. Once more, we remind you it is not your business to dictate the national policy of other countries and we are appalled by your behaviour, as are others in our circle.

Sincerely,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
Minister for Foreign Affairs.


Colonel Chernitsky,

While we thank you for your generous offer, as we have domination of this market, we cannot sell our technology for anything less than five times your initial offer of 4.5 trillion USD. We assure you though, that should you wish to spend such an amount, our research is more than worth it.

Sincerely,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
C.E.O ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

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Official Imperial Communique-

To: Sir Ivan Zachis, CEO ReOrganINC
From: Colonel Vladek Chernitsky, Chairman, Imperial Diplomatic Council

The Empire has lost interest in purchasing your technology, finding it little more than an amusing distraction. As it is clear from your refusal of our most generous offer that you do not wish to do business in a reasonable fashion, we shall continue pursuing the research on our own. We are certain our own laboratory technicians shall make the necessary strides in a short period of time, making your facilities irrelevant. The market thrives on competition, Mr. Zachis, however I fear that it may prove your downfall in addition to the rather threatening Ctan armed forces.

Colonel Vladek Chernitsky,
Chairman, Imperial Diplomatic Council

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Your time, much like our patience, has run out. As of now, you should begin experiencing the first phase of your punishment for failure to comply with our demands. We are assuming that you are in possession of various communications satellites. The Imperial Necrontyr Starship Eranaiarniti has been assigned, along with escorts, to eliminating these. We are assuming of course, that each has a significant CX Pound value. As we initially suggested, we are sure that such a depopulation of orbital assets will prove to express in no uncertain terms our, annoyance that you have chosen to refuse to comply with our demands.

Simultaneously with the message being transmitted, the two hundred and fifty meter space vessel, escorted by two smaller patrol ships, began its hunt for anything Cruxgradian in orbit...

OOC: Behold! Spacedyness. And, as promised, not very nasty wankery at that.

EDIT: And, damn. my clock said it was 4:51 when I posted this. Gragh.

(Out of interest, what time period are you meant to be from? lol If your ship is in orbit that it is in orbit around Earth and is therefore going to be subject to much interest from every civilizard Earth nation of modern time. :p )

Colonel Chernitsky,

We thank you for your interest and wish your scientists the best of luck in their attempts at cloning.

Sincerely,
Sir Ivan Zachis,
C.E.O. ReOrganInc.
Minister for Foreign Affairs.

The people's Republic of Karaska would like to state our profound interest in your research and technology and would like to make an offer to you
We ask that ReOrganInc build a technological lab in Karaska which we can then buy slave.. uh clones at mass produced prices. We are truly interested in combining the technological power of ReOrganInc with the power of Karaska mass industry. Although we understand that you are not interested on mass producing clones, we think that you will look at it in a different light if you take the chance. We are also willing to mass produce clones who are far weaker then any normal human thus lowering any chance of having clone wars. Not only that but we believe a combination and united research of our scientist will bring good results. Although our scientists have not mastered cloning they have been quite successful when it comes to enhancing animals and humans.
We await your answer and feel free to state or address any issues we may have missed.

Emperor Kea

(Out of interest, what time period are you meant to be from? lol If your ship is in orbit that it is in orbit around Earth and is therefore going to be subject to much interest from every civilizard Earth nation of modern time. :p )



OOC: Given that you're decidedly furture tech (Or post modern) yourself, given your advances in biotechnology and chemistry, I didn't see much problem. As for time periods, well, to be frank, I don't much believe in them. I'm quite happy interacting with various 'tech levels' and I get on quite merrily with 'modern techers.' Of course, I'm also a subscriber to the 'NSEarth is fractal and weird' position, so as far as I'm concerned, anyone on NSEarth sees this sort of thing daily, as well as new countries popping up and disappearing, and occasionally one being taken overhead by a fleet of military grade 'choppers. Compared to that last mindbending absurdity, supported by the game-engine no less, space ships are very tame indeed. :)

(Actually my guys are behind in technology, lol. Only thing we have thats modern is cloning and that is only at a rate that we currently have, that is the ability to clone humans and alter the embryo. It is very much modern, while the rest of the country is somewhat out of date. So yeah your space ship is going to get studied by every possible country on Earth, lol. Where is your country anyway?)

(Wahh sorry didn't read your first post right and rewrote my post, please take some time to answer) :(

(Actually my guys are behind in technology, lol. Only thing we have thats modern is cloning and that is only at a rate that we currently have, that is the ability to clone humans and alter the embryo. It is very much modern, while the rest of the country is somewhat out of date. So yeah your space ship is going to get studied by every possible country on Earth, lol. Where is your country anyway?)

OOC: Again, they see these things every day. Hell, I have much bigger ships that sit in orbit around the Earth every day, it's an important place after all, unless called away for some reason. As for where it is, all over the place really. There's some land claimed on Earth, but that's mostly uninhabited (barring a sorta floating city out in the ocean somewhere), some stuff on Mars, which is inhabited. The vast majority of the population is, these days, off on another planet though. I'll point out that in militay terms, all this sci-fi uberness doesn't actually change your chances of, at present, harming my nation. Given that they'd still be ultra-low even if I was 'modern-tech.' (That said, it is the reason why I'm doing something so anti-climatic as shooting at sattellites)

As for whether or not your medical ability is modern, I would assume it isn't, given that your cloning presumably has a fairly low rate of failure. Add to that, the features offered by your services, I'd say you're certainly into post modern stuff, the rapid growth especially I would say is at least a decade away, even if one were to drop legal barriers to medical research in this area.

(Who said the cloning has a low chance of failure? I said that the organ transplant does. The thing is though, how am I supposed to strike back at you on Mars? lol. If you have a floating city somewhere on Earth but most everything on Mars and another planet, how am I supposed to do anything to you? :rolleyes: As for the rapid growth and so forth, there are genes that control this sort of thing and like everything in the human body, they can be altered to humanities will. In all actuallity my stuff would be here and now if this sort of research wasn't outlawed in most countries and recieved the kind of funding this did. There are VERY few industries in Cruxgrad, most all of them reside in biological, chemical or techological research and experimentation as per the scenarios my country was given. :D )

The thing is though, how am I supposed to strike back at you on Mars? lol. If you have a floating city somewhere on Earth but most everything on Mars and another planet, how am I supposed to do anything to you? :rolleyes:
*Sighs* I suspected this might happen. I will point out that were I modern tech and right next door to you, you'd not be able to do anything effective anyway. The size and power disparity is so great no matter how you paint it. If you wish to ignore me or some such, feel free to go ahead. Though as I've said, there's very little I'm actually going to do to harm your nation.
As for the rapid growth and so forth, there are genes that control this sort of thing and like everything in the human body, they can be altered to humanities will.
Now? Odd, I've not seen crops in reality with that level of genegeneering yet. You should probably point out to your customers that such organs will jack it in thanks to aging in 1/3rd the time a normal one would.
In all actuallity my stuff would be here and now if this sort of research wasn't outlawed in most countries
I sincerely doubt you can prove that.
and recieved the kind of funding this did.
That's hardly an argument for it being modern. That's an argument for it being balanced. There's a big difference.
There are VERY few industries in Cruxgrad, most all of them reside in biological, chemical or techological research and experimentation as per the scenarios my country was given. :D )
I'm not saying you shouldn't have it, I'm saying it's not modern. :P

Well my nation actually has a policy of dirty warfare. Our national defense budget is given over largely to our military-styled police force the Sozial Defense Korps, the few military units we do have are nothing more than suicide attackers that spread discord or disease. Occasionally they'll disable your national power grid or something ;)

People who need the organs that quick probably won't live that long, lol.

I couldn't prove it but it is likely true. Imagine if England carried out stemm-cell research, embryo alteration and human cloning without prevention and had Government funds for research numbering a few billion a year. Then add the fact the company sells things and it has huge income.

I argue it is modern if you take the above that the company had been researching this secretly for the past decade ;)

I'm willing to RP this with you, just try not to taint my nation too much with spaceships and the such, lol.

OOC: Well, in that case, any effects from the brave and valiant sattellite shooting?

OOC: Go for it ^^

The Secret society of The Newvarian Order require a clone of there leader who has passed away. With him they will crush the new republic of newvaria and restore him to his mighty status.

Signed

Arnold Crackoff
Head Cult Master of the Newvarian Order