Yugoslavian News Thread (Earth 1900-2000 RP)
Independent Macedonia
29-08-2005, 06:17
Flag of the Socialist Federation of Yugoslavia
http://www.freewebs.com/roffspics/Crest.bmp
National info (as of 1939)
Population: 14 million
Base points a year:26
Merchant Marine:9,500,000 tons of shipping(19 point)
Total:45 points
Government: Socialist Federation
Capital: Sarajevo
Healthcare/Welfare: Basic schools and clinics, high schools, public hospitals, orphans and widows assistance, public universities, social security type assistance for the elderly and disabled, unemployment insurance, food assistance (like food stamps), and junior colleges.
Tech Level=6
Head of State: People's Leader Josip Broz Tito http://www.titoville.com/images/komite.jpg
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Momillo Nincic
Chief Of Staff:Radivoje Jankovic
Chief of Army: Alexandar Cincar-Mackovic
Chief of Navy: Admiral Steinfl
Chief of Airforce: Dusen Simovic
Armaments Minister: Ladislov Polic
Minister of Security: Borivoje Josimovic
Military: See Below Post
Fortifications:
Italian Border
Major corporations, think-tanks, or factories:
Zastava Arsenal-Weapons
Memorandum Teleoptik-Electronics
Jadronsko Brodogradiliste-Naval
Industrija Aeroplanskia Motora-Aircraft Engines
ZMAJ-Aircraft
Ikarus-Aircraft
Mikron-Electronics
OOC: Any relevent threads will be listed below
Macedonia(before confederation) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9157814#post9157814)
Campaign against Albanian agression (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9732776#post9732776)
Sarajevo Conference about Kosovo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447118)
Civil War in Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446849)
League of Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453071)
Abbassia
30-08-2005, 14:29
From:His Royal Highness King Karl I
To:The Confederation Of Yugoslavia
Congratulations on the birth of a promising new nation, may you shine in the world as the fruit of the sacrifices made by many for the sake of liberty which will never be allowed to be taken away from any proud human being.
I hope for a future of friendship and prosperity between us.
Galveston Bay
30-08-2005, 19:24
US forgives Yugoslavian war debt (foreign aid package)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9547335&postcount=63
Independent Macedonia
30-08-2005, 22:31
Jugoslavija Armed Forces *denotes reserve unit
Military: Annual upkeep 4 points
Name Leader Location
1st Jugoslavija Army
1st Alpine Corps General Leon Rupnik Ohrid - Upkeep: .5 points
-1st Alpine Division
-2nd Alpine Division
-3rd Alpine Division
1st Infantry Corps* Mj. General Kukavicic Italian Border - Upkeep Free
-1st Infantry Division
-2nd Infantry Division
-3rd Infantry Division
1st Armored Corps Lt. General Julije Fritz Skopje - Upkeep: .5 points
-7th Armored Division
-8th Armored Division
-9th Armored Division
2nd Armored Corps Lt. General Arsa Jovanovic Skopje - Upkeep: .5 points
-10th Armored Division
-11th Armored Division
-12th Armored Division
1st Army Command Field Marshal Cincar-Mackovic Skopje - Upkeep: .5 points
Navy: Admiral Kosovic - undergoing modernization
1 Pangbourne Class Minesweeper (SFJN Doce)
1 Federation Class Light Cruiser (SFJN Alexandre) - Tech 6 upkeep: .25
10 Type IXD Submarines - Tech 6 upkeep: .25
Jugoslovensko Ratno Vazduhoplovstvo-JRV-(Air Marshal Dusen Simovic is in command of entire airforce)
1st Air Fleet-500 Fighters[FW-190D](Air Marshal Petrovic)-Located in Split - Upkeep: .5 points
500xpilots : Upkeep .25
2nd Air Fleet-500 Bombers[JU-187](Ivan Ribar)-Located in Petrovec - Upkeep: .5 points
500xpilots : Upkeep .25
Fortifications:
Italian Border-Rupnik Line : Upkeep Free
Equipment:
Standard Machine Gun: MG-42 picture (http://www.dasheer.org.uk/mg42.jpg)
Standard Service Rifle: STG-44 Assault rifle picture (http://www.dasheer.org.uk/stg44.jpg)
Standard Service Pistol: Luger 9mm Para. picture (http://www.marstar.ca/usedguns/alex-deals/images/pistols-p/Luger-Erfurt-7145.jpg)
Standard Submachine gun: MP-40 submachine gun picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Maschinenpistole_MP40.jpg/800px-Maschinenpistole_MP40.jpg)
Standard Tank: Panzer V Medium tank picture (http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/Technowizard/German_Panther_Tank.jpg)
Standard Heavy Tank: Panzer Mark VI picture (http://www.worldwar2aces.com/tiger-tank/tiger-tank-images/tiger-tank-04.jpg)
Standard Tank Hunter: Marder 2 picture (http://klub.chip.pl/krzemek/marder2/marder2_03.jpg)
Standard Armored car: SdKfz 222 picture (http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa4/sdkfz_222_kol_bt.jpg)
Standard Fighter: FW-190D picture (http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRTypen/Frfotmi2/Fw190D-0.jpg)
Standard 1-Engined Bomber: JU-187picture (http://www.luft46.com/gmart/gm187-3.jpg)
Standard Submarine: Type IXDpicture (http://www.uboataces.com/images/type_ixd1.jpg)
[NS]Parthini
31-08-2005, 19:04
To: Yugoslavia
From: Germany
First off, I welcome you to the Coalition. Secondly I want to ask that you will join me in the greatest alliance in the world, the Eastern Coalition. Lastly, the ECR (Eastern Coalition Railroad) asks that a railroad from Vienna through your country be made so that you can be connected to the riches of China and the Ottoman Empire. We will use Slavian workers so that you can prosper too.
Independent Macedonia
31-08-2005, 21:58
Reply to Germany
From Yugoslavia
We would be most grateful to be included in the Eastern Coalition, and hope that this will foster decades of friendship between all the member countries. Yugoslavia will also open up it's "airspace" to German Zepplins, carrying passengers that wish to see the Balkan landscape. Also we doubt that Germany will need to pay any Yugoslavian debt, as America has dropped our debts to them, and the Ottomans have agreed to take on a chunk if not the rest of our debt in return for the larger ships we get from the Austrian fleet.
OOC: I posted in the main thread about what i would like for my military from Germany in the years to come.
Poontang and Spoons
31-08-2005, 22:06
edit: wrong forum, apparently o_o
Independent Macedonia
31-08-2005, 22:12
OOC:can you please not post off-topic things like, that, this is a closed RP, if you want to join go Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002&page=1&pp=15)
Otherwise, don't post in my thread :P
Independent Macedonia
01-09-2005, 01:04
The Articles of Confederation
Agreed to by Parliment September 12th, 1908; ratified and in force, March 1, 1909.
To unite Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro Bosnia and Hercegovina as the following confederation.
Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The Federated Republics of Yugoslavia."
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the Federated States, in Parliment assembled.
Article III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.
Article IV. The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this federation, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall free ingress and regress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of trade and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively, provided that such restrictions shall not extend so far as to prevent the removal of property imported into any State, to any other State, of which the owner is an inhabitant; provided also that no imposition, duties or restriction shall be laid by any State, on the property of the Federated States, or either of them.
If any person guilty of, or charged with, treason, felony, or other high misdemeanor in any State, shall flee from justice, and be found in any of the Federated States, he shall, upon demand of the executive power of the State from which he fled, be delivered up and removed to the State having jurisdiction of his offense.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each of these States to the records, acts, and judicial proceedings of the courts and magistrates of every other State.
Article V. For the most convenient management of the general interests of the United States, delegates shall be annually appointed in such manner as the legislatures of each State shall direct, to meet in Parliment on the first Monday in November, in every year, with a power reserved to each State to recall its delegates, or any of them, at any time within the year, and to send others in their stead for the remainder of the year.
Each State will appoint 2 delegates, no more or less, to represent them in Parliment, a person may hold the position of delegate for as many years as he is elected. Each delegate will stay in office for 2 years, and then be voted on again upon the expiration of those 2 years.
Each State shall maintain its own delegates in a meeting of the States, and while they act as members of the committee of the States.
In determining questions in the Federated States in Parliment assembled, each State shall have one vote.
Freedom of speech and debate in Parliment shall not be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliment, and the members of Parliment shall be protected in their persons from arrests or imprisonments, during the time of their going to and from, and attendance on Parliment, except for treason, felony, or breach of the peace.
Article VI. No State, without the consent of the Federated States in Parliment assembled, shall send any embassy to, or receive any embassy from, or enter into any conference, agreement, alliance or treaty with any King, Prince or State; nor shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the Federated States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or title of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State; nor shall the Federated States in Parliment assembled, or any of them, grant any title of nobility.
States defences will be under the control of the central government, and the Ministry of Defence. No State may raise a militia without the consent of the Parliment and Ministry of Defence or raise a navy. The Federated States will handle all aspects of military conscription and production, no State may deny the duty to provide men for conscription or factories for weapons and munition production, if asked by Parliment and the Ministry of Defence
No State shall engage in any war without the consent of the Federated States in Parliment assembled, unless such State be actually invaded by enemies, and the danger is so imminent as not to admit of a delay till the Federated States in Parliment assembled can be consulted;
Article VII. When land forces are raised by the Federated States for the common defense, all officers of or above the rank of colonel, shall be appointed by the legislature of the Federated States in Parliment and Ministry of Defence
Article VIII. All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the Federated States in Parliment assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the taxation of each state by the central government.
Article IX. The Federated States in Parliment assembled, shall have the sole and exclusive right and power of determining on peace and war, except in the cases mentioned in the sixth article -- of sending and receiving ambassadors -- entering into treaties and alliances, provided that no treaty of commerce shall be made whereby the legislative power of the respective States shall be restrained from imposing such imposts and duties on foreigners, as their own people are subjected to, or from prohibiting the exportation or importation of any species of goods or commodities whatsoever -- of establishing rules for deciding in all cases, what captures on land or water shall be legal, and in what manner prizes taken by land or naval forces in the service of the Federated States shall be divided or appropriated -- of granting letters of marque and reprisal in times of peace -- appointing courts for the trial of piracies and felonies committed on the high seas and establishing courts for receiving and determining finally appeals in all cases of captures, provided that no member of Congress shall be appointed a judge of any of the said courts.
The Federated States in Parliment assembled shall also have the sole and exclusive right and power of regulating the alloy and value of coin struck by their own authority -- fixing the standards of weights and measures throughout the Federated States, establishing or regulating post offices from one State to another, throughout all the Federated States, and exacting such postage on the papers passing through the same as may be requisite to defray the expenses of the said office -- appointing all officers of the land forces, in the service of the Federated States, appointing all the officers of the naval forces, and commissioning all officers whatever in the service of the United States -- making rules for the government and regulation of the said land and naval forces, and directing their operations.
Article X. Every State shall abide by the determination of the Federated States in Parliment assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Federation shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Parliment of the Federated States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
Independent Macedonia
01-09-2005, 01:10
The Articles of Confederation bind the states in such a way that they are not oppressed by the central government, which has cost so much bloodshed over the past years, but still give the government enough power to excecute what needs to be done. The newly formed Parliment came up with this on September 12th 1908, and it will go into effect March 1, 1909.
National leaders(more to be added as needed)
Prime Minister Ante Trumbic is head of state.
Minister of Defence Alexandre Luki
Minister of Foreign Affairs Dragan Petrovic(formally Macedonian....he got a promotion)
Independent Macedonia
05-09-2005, 20:35
Parliament has recognized the state of New Zion and will be exchanging embassies with them. Also it has been decided that a battalion of Engineers should be sent to assist in the construction work that is being done in New Zion.
The Navy is allocating two transports to carry the battalion and their equipment to Argentina/New Zion. Also the Engineers are told to try to gain knowledge about the terrain so that it can be included in the training regime. Such knowledge will help train a more rounded reactionary force.
Amestria
06-09-2005, 04:17
Albania accepts your offer of assistence. The 1st Volci Brigade and the 1st Infantry Division should be despatched to the interior at once (they will have to technically be led by Albanian officers to prevent backlash, I hope that is all-right). The 2nd Engineer Battalion assistence is much needed for the building of roads in the south and a modern deep water port at Vlore (assisting the Belgians).
As for an Economic/Defense treaty, what is proposed?
Turkhan Pasha, President of The Republic of Albania
Independent Macedonia
06-09-2005, 04:42
We would be more than happy to send the units you need.(they being under Albanian officer commands will be no problem.
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As for the treaties we are proposing free trade across the borders, our nation can send what few experts we have to help your farmers learn new farming techniques and perhaps open a few factories in your larger cities. Also we would defend your nation in the event of an attack as if it was an attack on our own. This is mostly to keep Italy out of the Balkans but we will uphold our promises no matter who attacks you. We would like for you to return the favor if you could spare the troops in the event. This wouldn't bind us to help the other should as an example i invade Hungary.
Amestria
06-09-2005, 04:50
We would be more than happy to send the units you need.(they being under Albanian officer commands will be no problem.
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As for the treaties we are proposing free trade across the borders, our nation can send what few experts we have to help your farmers learn new farming techniques and perhaps open a few factories in your larger cities. Also we would defend your nation in the event of an attack as if it was an attack on our own. This is mostly to keep Italy out of the Balkans but we will uphold our promises no matter who attacks you. We would like for you to return the favor if you could spare the troops in the event. This wouldn't bind us to help the other should as an example i invade Hungary.
The Economic/Defense Treaty is acceptable and we look forward to a future of mutual cooperation.
Turkhan Pasha, President of The Republic of Albania
Amestria
06-09-2005, 21:00
I would like to inform your government that Albania has returned diplomatic/economic relations with Turky to normal and that we have apologized. We promise to consult you in the future when dealing with either Russia or the Ottoman Empire.
-President Turkhan Pasha
OOC: Sorry, I messed up, won't happen again...
Amestria
07-09-2005, 23:45
From: The General Staff of The Albanian Self Defense Army
To: The Yugoslavian Military Command
This summer our Government intends to begin an offensive against the Zog rebels in the interior. We suggest that Yugoslavia mobilize it's border forces least Zog attempt to flee into Kosovo or Macedonia and cause further chaos.
Independent Macedonia
09-09-2005, 03:16
The FRY military has started training a few pilots with gliders pushed off of big hills on optimum condition days, the experiance being gained is basic and injuries are frequent but hopefully the military will be able to aquire a few trainer aircraft to start a recon wing soon.
Troops have also started training with automobiles modified to look like armored vehicles to develope docterine and crews for armored units. Deals are being seeked out to aquire both planes and armored vehicles and bold officers are being selected to run these units.
Right now the 11th Seperate Brigade(armored) and 1st Recon Air Wing only exist on paper.
In other news, with more universities sprouting up in the nation(mostly German) and the manditory school attendence in urban areas through highschool, the size of the skilled work force has greatly increased. The FRY government has further increased spending in the education department, most of this money coming from the small size of the military.
The infrastructure of the nation is still pretty poor in areas of the nation like Macedonia, with their still only being one railway there. The government has decided that the construction of another railway that will connect Skopje to Ohrid and Tetovo will be started in 1923 and finished by 1926. This is hoped to give a greater flexibility of the transportation system and help the farmers there that would then have access to a larger market.
Independent Macedonia
09-09-2005, 06:21
All current ships in the Yugoslavian navy are being sold for scrap, with the crews being transferred to merchant vessels until the navy can be reorganized and built back up. Britain is being contacted for the contract on the construction of the surface fleet of 1 light cruiser, 5 destroyers, 1 mine clearer, and 25 torpedo boats.
Amestria
09-09-2005, 06:33
From: The General Staff of The Albanian Self Defense Army
To: The Yugoslavian Military Command
REPEAT
This summer our Government intends to begin an offensive against the Zog rebels in the interior. We suggest that Yugoslavia mobilize it's border forces least Zog attempt to flee into Kosovo or Macedonia and cause further chaos. He could hide out among the ethnic Albanians in those areas, and get support from extreme nationalists.
Independent Macedonia
09-09-2005, 12:52
OOC:I already have read your post, you don't have to post it twice.
Independent Macedonia
09-09-2005, 13:07
The Yugoslavian first armored unit(11th Armored Recon Brigade) and air unit(1st Air Recon Wing) no longer exist solely on paper, and now have the equipment needed to start training and developing docterine.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 02:37
Notice From the Albanian Embassy
Deputy Defense Minister Alfred Berisha will be visiting Yugoslavia as part of an offical delegation to thank your country for it's aid in building roads/the Vlore deep water port/the Vlore Tirana railway and the military forces for hunting down the Zog rebels.
Independent Macedonia
10-09-2005, 02:45
Members of parliament will meet with him in respect of his visit. Also Yugoslavia assures the MOD that forces have been cracking down on the organized crime and rebels helping Zog, and such factors should be non-existant in the next few years.
Galveston Bay
10-09-2005, 04:09
ooc
just remember Yugoslavia that a substantial number of ethnic Albanians live in Yugoslavia, and some might even support good King Zog, bless his reactionary soul.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 04:30
Deputy Minister of Defense Alfred Berisha while on his offical vist asks your leaders to talk with the Russians, as they "seem to have gone insane". He further asks that Yugoslavia tell Russia that Albania is not under "Italian influence", and "threatens no one". Russia's paranoia stands to "tip the world towards disaster".
Independent Macedonia
10-09-2005, 04:37
OOC: Galveston....the Serbs are very "good" at taking care of ethnic situations....naw i am not going to set them loose, for now it will mostly involve stepping up the border guard and deporting any trouble makers. Excecutions at this time were tolerable for the most part, as long as they were connected to rebels...like the British killing the leaders of the rebellion of 1916, or god forbid the Armenian genocide which still hasn't had a large outcry to this day....a few ethnic Albanians that "disappear" won't be missed.
IC: We will talk with the Russians Albania, but you must see that the Italians aren't to be trusted and as it seems they are funding the construction of forts on our borders, meddling in the Russian sphere of influence, and even trying to garner former coalition nations against us, so Russia is only being cautious and in no way over-reacting.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 04:44
"Albania is not in the Russian sphere of influence" Deputy Minister Alfred Berisha corrects. "We are a European Nation which controls it's own destiny. In other words we are in our own sphere of influence. The forts are being constructed because Albania's border is bare, we have no objection to the Yugoslavian forts that exist or may exist in the future along the border. A nation must maintain it's territorial security."
Independent Macedonia
10-09-2005, 04:57
OOC: no one said you were under the russian sphere of influence.....i merely said that Italy was messing with Russia's sphere of influence...alot is going on outside of Albania concerning Italy, which is what makes us all wary of their war mongering.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 05:11
OOC: Albania is at present only concerned with Albania, it has no grand designs or plans and has no intention of letting Italy use us as a launching point for undermining Russia. The countries goal is modernization and peace, it's that simple.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 05:15
"Perhaps if Yugoslavia were to keep it's troops in Albania Russa would be less tense" Deputy Minister of Defense Alfred Berisha suggests quitely. "It could take well over two years to hunt down all the rebels/terrorists/criminals on both sides of the border. Let us act as if nothing is wrong and hopefuly Russia will get the message and leave us alone..."
Independent Macedonia
10-09-2005, 16:32
"Our wishes are to pull back to our side of the border by next year, and i am sure our soldiers would like to return home at the soonest amount of time. Albania is causing many problems for our internal affairs as the Zog rebels are becoming increasingly hostile due to our assistance to you. In the best interest of the Slavic people we must pull out of Albania by the given date.(March 1921)"
Parliament wishes only to serve the people first, then it's friends and then the rest of the world, in that order.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 21:49
"What will happen if Russia declares war on us, will you let their troops through your territory?"
Independent Macedonia
10-09-2005, 22:43
"Russia would never do such a thing, and for you to suggest such eventualities is insulting....i think it would be best for you to return to your nation at this time dear sir, before things that will truely hurt our nations relations are uttered!"
The parliament members present at the meeting leave, but make sure that the Albanian M.O.D. has transportation back home.
Amestria
10-09-2005, 22:53
The M.O.D. departs back to Albania...
Vas Pokhoronim
11-09-2005, 05:58
The Union has begun mobilizing its European armies in Ukraine, Poland, and Western Russia, and is moving troops to Yugoslavia's borders with Italy and Albania. And both the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets have been placed on alert.
This will also be posted in the Main, Albania, and Italy Threads.
You can only push a bear so far into his den before there's trouble.
Just so everyone knows.
France is alarmed by the troop movements and is urging all parties involved to stand down.
Prime Minster Milerand made a plea to the leaders of Europe, "Have we forgotten the great war that ripped apart Europe only twelve years ago so soon? We must work for a better future and cease this pointless bickering."
The French Mediterriean Fleet has been placed on high alert.
Amestria
11-09-2005, 06:10
The Yugoslavian troops in Albania are dispatched back home early.
The Albanian government pleads with the Yugoslavian government not to let the Russians through there territory!
Independent Macedonia
11-09-2005, 06:25
The 1st Infantry Division and Volci Brigade are sent to the Italian border, bringing up immediate strength on that border to 65 thousand troops. Also Yugoslavia would like to assure France that no action will be taken, only reaction.
Vas Pokhoronim
11-09-2005, 06:57
Fortunately, a diplomatic solution was found, and italian troops are now forbidden by law from entering Albanian territory. The Union's forces are therefore standing down.
We praise the faith of our ally in this matter. It will not be forgotten.
I wish to know why you suddenly pulled out of Albania? If there is something I must know about it I would be very pleased to know.
Alexander I, King of the Hellenes
Independent Macedonia
11-09-2005, 21:21
To: Alexander I, King of the Hellenes
From: Prime Minister Ante Trumbic
"Nothing that would affect Greece caused the events of our pull out from Albania, but merely the prospect of Italian troops moving into Albania while our troops were still there. As the Greeks would know as well as anyone, the Italians have not been on the best of terms with the Slavic peoples. The threat of the Italians for now has been adverted, though our troops are in need of R&R so they are being withdrawn from the Albanian lands.
Also our troops are in the act of taking care of Albanian problems on the Yugoslavian side.(OOC: basically deporting any Albanians that make problems) We hope that Greece is not alarmed by our actions. Good day to you good sir."
Amestria
12-09-2005, 01:49
Message from the Albanian Ministry of Trade
Has Yugoslavia revoked it's Free Trade Agreement and economic assistence?
Independent Macedonia
12-09-2005, 02:29
Do you want us to Albania? We haven't yet, but if it makes you feel better we will.
Amestria
12-09-2005, 02:37
No, the Free Trade Agreement and economic assistence has been good for the Albanian economy.
Vas Pokhoronim
22-09-2005, 04:05
Krasnaya Zvezda, Moskva - 12 V 1922
BRITISH PRIME MINISTER OPENLY MOCKS THE HUNGER OF THE POOR
While the drought in Ukraine has as yet claimed few lives, nevertheless it has ruined many poor families and brought crushing poverty into the lives of tens of thousands more who had earlier prospered.
The rest of world has responded to the government's declaration of a state of emergency and decisive action by contributing aid or at least offering to sell grain for distribution to the poor. Even Colombia, putting aside a longtime hostility, has donated perhaps the largest contribution to the relief effort so far, while the United States has opened its markets to Union relief agencies.
Yesterday the British Prime Minister delivered the United Kingdom's gift to the Ukrainian people directly to the Union Embassy. What was it? A crate of caviar, a sack of potatoes, and a note suggesting that "perhaps [they] should be sent back to the Russian Empire [sic] to help feed the people of Ukraine."
Can there yet remain any question as to the moral distinction between the Socialist and capitalist modes of thought?
Amestria
27-09-2005, 09:33
(OOC: As the mods have ruled I have control of the Ethnic Albanian population in the Balkans.)
March/April 1923
Open to Public View
Protests are held throughout the province of Kosovo. The protestor hold signs complaining of abuse and marginalization. They chant and sing Albanian national songs. They demand self-determination by plebiscite. Albanian communities located in Monte-Negro and Macedonia hold similar protests.
In Kosovo a new regional party is formed, the National Socialist Albanian Workers Party. They seek to dominate the local government of Kosovo and work towards the provinces unification with Albania.
The Albanian government encourages these actions.
Secret
In Kosovo and the lesser Albanian communities throughout Yugoslavia, ultra-nationalists and extremist groups begin to work with the criminal gangs to smuggle weapons. The Albanian government in Tirana has no knowledge of these activities.
OOC: In case you are wondering "why now", as the Albanians have been part of Yugoslavia for over ten years, there are several reasons. When Kosovo and the other communities where merged into Yugoslavia, Albania was in civil disorder, unable to keep it's own house in order let alone worry about Kosovo. The Kosovo Albanians, although very unhappy, decided to accept the situation. Albania looked unstable and unlikly to survive; the Yugoslavian state mean-while was accommodating. Many felt it was best not to rock the boat. Now with Albania stable, democratic and increasingly prosperous, the old worries have been cast aside and national feelings have returned in earnist.
The Albanian government is encouraging this activity as the governing Coalition promised during last years elections to do something about Kosovo.
Also, with the defeat of the Zog rebellion, the arms smugglers and criminal gangs which supplied them are now out of work. The extremists and lunitics in Kosovo offer a market which could expand, so the guns/explosives are going there.
Independent Macedonia
28-09-2005, 01:51
OOC: I tried to handle them peacefully by merely deporting them, It seems that you may have forgotten that i have been deporting Albanians for nearly 15 years now. I would hate to see what would happen to your people should i give the order without the protection of NATO or the UN.
IC: The Parliament of the federated states passed a bill that effectively creates a state of martial law over Albanian communities. So far police units have been ordered to stop any Albanians seen transporting suspecious objects during the day and shoot any carrying them during the night.
Also, the Volci brigades have been sent in to route any Albanian terrorists or gurrillia's that may try to stir up trouble in this time of uncertainty. The Armored recon units are being sent in as well to destroy ethnic Albanian towns on the border that may become spots of defiance. Air recon units are also being dispatched to monitor the border and drop small bombs, or strafe to disrupt the flow of supplies from nationalist Albanians in Albania to the ones outside.
In other news, the police has stated that they may not be able to insure the safety of Albanians from Nationalist Serb and Macedonian terrorist groups. So far most of the Serb and Macedonian response has been school boys throwing rocks and petrol bombs.
Food supplies are being cut off from any community that supports terrorist activities. As such they will be reconnected under such times as they agree to come under occupation of police forces which will search the areas and if any weapons or supplies are found confiscate them and arrest the people in control of the items.
Yugoslavia will not accept any bid for a "Greater Albania" and will see the Albanians extinct before letting them have ancestrial lands.
Amestria
28-09-2005, 02:18
The harsh, brutal response by the Yugoslavian government against peaceful demonstrators and legitamate political parties creates an instant backlash. Demonstrations increase with the aim of disrupting government activity.
The National Socialist Party attempts to set up a shadow government in Kosovo (peacefully). They urge non-violent resistence at this time.
Several violent acts are carried out by an extremist group calling itself the Kosovo Liberation Army. Police officers/nationalist serbs are targeted with violence and police stations/serb houses are bombed.
Similar activity takes place in Monte-Negro and Masedonia.
OOC: In other words the Serb tactics backfire utterly. GB should probably be informed.
Vas Pokhoronim
28-09-2005, 03:08
While nationalism in the last century was unquestionably a liberating force, it is becoming dubious that it is truly be sustainable as a philosophy of politics. Although many of the great multi-ethnic empires of times past are gone, nevertheless if we cannot build a world where men of differing origins may live together in peace under one state, then our very Union is founded upon a lie, and the peace of the Earth shall forever be unravelling.
The Union's hope, and its faith, are that this need not forever be the case. That an enduring harmony can be brought to all men, whatever their names or languages or colors, and that peace is truly possible - not just as the absence of war, but as the gaining of a permanent justice without recourse to violence or hate.
It is clear that there are serious concerns in southern Yugoslavia at the present time. Our sympathies - and of this we can make no secret - lie here with the prevailing law and the established order. Nevertheless it is to be hoped that in this, as in all matters, peace may prevail, and violence may be forsworn.
- V.M. Chernov, Commissar for International Affairs
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 03:44
ooc
For now, unless specifically stated, the ethnic Albanians have no significant supplies of weapons and are thoroughly victimized. Nearly 20% immediately flee across the border, especially those living in the border areas, while 75% are thoroughly suppressed and hope the situation will go away or Albania will come save them. However, 5% try to resist, and most of these are soon killed (25% of those who resist) or driven across the border as well (70%), leaving only a very small minority to continue the fight with whatever weapons they can obtain.
IC
The Yugoslav police action is brutal but effective, and smoke from burning villages quickly becomes a common sight along the border. However, moderate and liberal elements in the Yugoslav government are appalled and some protest loudly. Some also leak word of the horrors to the outside world, especially to the Western Press.
Along the border itself, Albanian border guards get into an unauthorized exchange of fire with Yugoslav army units attempting to intercept a refugee column, and a day long firefight results in several dozen dead on each side, and dozens more wounded. Plus the refugee column is thoroughly shot up in the cross fire, and several photographs of dead women and children reach the Western world.
Amestria
28-09-2005, 04:13
(Also posted on the Albanian News Thread.)
Tirana Times (April 20th, 1923): State of Emergency Declared
President Fan S. Noli declared a State of Emergency today due to the violence in Kosovo commited by Serb forces. The 1st-5th infantry regiments and the 1st calvary regiment of the Self Defense Army shall be dispatched to the Kosovo-Albanian border to deal with and protect refugees.
Furthermore any Serbian military unit which comes within artillary range of the fortifications on the Albanian border shall be fired upon.
The Government appealed further for help from the Great Powers in ending the violence.
Anti-Yugoslavian protests were held outside the Yugoslavian Embassy in Tirana.
Independent Macedonia
28-09-2005, 04:27
Yugoslavia would like to let the less educated Albanians that we are not a Serb state, and are not under the control of any Serb force. The capital is not in Belgrade, but Sarajevo. So as you can see we do not know why you address Serbia as a seperate body.
In any event Yugoslavia would like to advise Albania to keep their troops away from the border, and any shots coming to our side of the border will result in a return of fire from our more numerous guns and higher trained crews. You could not hope to force us to do anything you would want.
Also to further strengthen the border the 1st-4th Infantry Divisions are being sent to help out the 11th Armored Recon Brigade and border police units.
The Federated States would advise Albania to stay on their side of the border if they would like for this crisis to stay civil.
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 04:41
the release of the photographs and stories of the slaughter in Kosovo brings a strong condemnation from the United States.
Amestria
28-09-2005, 05:09
The Yugoslavian governments control over Kosovo is not recognized as they have used violence against peaceful people who sought peaceful change. The current killing in Kosovo is being led by Serbs.
President Noli announces the formation of an 11th infantry regiment and the creation of a National Militia (to be organized with secret Italian help). The proposed National Militia will include combine all the unoffical tribal and people's militia's which have existed but not officaly been recognized (about 20,000 men). These men will be trained (and armed in the event of war) by the State.
The Yugoslavian occupation army is advised not to interfere with or obstruct the refugees. Albania has opened the border to all those who wish to seek political asylum.
OOC: I'd say it would take about a year to complete a National Militia, which would be like the National Guard. The Albanian government has been kicking the idea around ever since Denmark, but the memories of the period of disorder made the government hesitent (bad memories about the roll of private militias). The current conflict in Kosovo has forced the issue.
France also issues a strong condemnation and there is talk of intervention and French "peace-keepers" in the contested areas in Parliament.
Lesser Ribena
28-09-2005, 11:01
The photographs of dead civilians in the world's press appals the British and a condemnation of the government responsibile is issued. Whilst Britian makes no threats of intervention she makes iot clear that such horrific outbursts of violence will not be tolerated by the international community.
Colombia also offers to send a significant amount of peacekeepers to the area, peacekeepers who have had a large amount of experience in this field; Colombia also views both sides in the wrong, and cannot be biased in that sense.
edit:
After reviewing the situation, Colombia cannot, in good right, peacekeep for Albania. There are several aggrevating factors that has lead to this Decision; It was Albanian forces that opened fire on the Yugoslavian soldiers. A Colombian panel has determined that the "Refugees" were still in Yugoslavian territory, and therefore Albania has violated the sovereignty of Yugoslavia.
Also, Albania has been making noise for sometime about Kosovo; We question Albania's government's intentions regarding peace, as they have done nothing but bolster the increasing tension along the border by moving up artillery.
The paticular government also declared that any Yugoslavian Military untis near the border will be fired upon by Albanian Artillery, but if the Albanians move their artillery upto the border, that means that Yugoslavia must stay at a minimum of 10miles away from the border; That is rediculous and also a breach of sovereignty.
The Colombian government finds the pictures of civillians caught in the crossfire disturbing but once again points out that the Albanians started the engagement, even when un-armed combantants were there and in harms way.
There was a serious lack of judgement on the part of Albania, and Colombian units will begin investigating their involvement with the "KLA"
Independent Macedonia
28-09-2005, 21:46
OOC: Just wondering who is doing the killing, because as yet we have not ordered anything to be acted upon, other than the shooting of terrorists. If it is rogue units or Serbian and Macedonian terrorists that is one thing, but I don't see how people can blame my government for those things to the level of sending troops. Also i want no war, but it seems that the Albanians are hell bent on having one, in which case i will not restrain my policy any longer.
IC: Yugoslavia would like to dismiss claims of killings being ordered by higher ups, and will find out who was responsible for such actions and will reprimand them.
We would also like to take this time to let it be known that we do not require peace keepers at this time, as they would be ineffective in this crisis as it is.
Amestria
28-09-2005, 22:18
OOC: (Posted by the Yugoslavian player, bold mine) In other news, the police has stated that they may not be able to insure the safety of Albanians from Nationalist Serb and Macedonian terrorist groups. So far most of the Serb and Macedonian response has been school boys throwing rocks and petrol bombs.
Food supplies are being cut off from any community that supports terrorist activities. As such they will be reconnected under such times as they agree to come under occupation of police forces which will search the areas and if any weapons or supplies are found confiscate them and arrest the people in control of the items.(end quote)
That answers your questions about who is doing the killing. Also there was no armed rebellion until the Serbs began to engage in violence against the Ethnic Albanian community, a few extremists were gathering weapons but they were few in number. The independence movement was peaceful until Serb violence began, then apparently everything went out of control (as GB has ruled Yugoslavian actions have resulted in the burning of villages, it does not matter what the higher ups initially ordered). Also Albania does not want war, the troops are there to see to and protect the refugees and stop Northern Albania from being destabilized.
IC: What remains of the Kosovo Liberation Army takes to the hills, mountains and forests. It continues to smuggle weapons and launches attacks/raids against Serbian police, militia and citizens, while avoiding engaging the superior military units. What explosives they have they plant as bombs on the road regularly traveled by Serb forces. They are supplied secretly by sympathetic Kosovo Albanians (quite a lot of them are now sympathetic).
A campaign of sabotage begins (telephone and telegraph lines are cut for example) and non-violent protests continue (people lie down in the path of Serb army units for example). Serbs who live in Ethnic Albanian communities where government control is lax come under attack by mobs and their houses are burned down.
Meanwhile in Sarajevo a group of Albanians have filed charges in the courts and press that the government’s actions in Kosovo are illegal under the Yugoslavian Articles of Confederation (Articles II, III, and IV). Albanian officials throughout the Yugoslavian government resign in protest. Many Albanian soldiers/police refuse to fight and secretly sell their weapons to the rebels.
The Albanian government continues to call for international peace-keepers.
OCC: You did not expect them to take such abuse sitting down did you? It will be very difficult for the government forces to defeat the remaining rebels. In the 90s the much more advanced Serb army was unable to completely defeat the rebels who held out in the mountains, hill and forests. The 1920s Serb army will have a much harder time. Also many communities in Kosovo grow their own food, all or a significant part, so the Serb blockades will have less effect then they hope.
Independent Macedonia
28-09-2005, 22:33
With all the Albanian authority members(about a dozen policemen) out refusing to work, they are discharged and deported for treason. Peaceful protests are allowed and Yugoslavian forces refrain from killing or harming peaceful protesters.
"We will not let these terrorists ruin everything for the Albanian people." Parliament accepts as their motto after their latest session. So far forces have started moving out into the countryside and have been seeking out terrorist caches.
OOC: It will be much easier than you think, Albanians have not been mistreated until the terrorists have made things worse for them, we aren't targeting the civilians instead of the terrorists like the Serbs did, and we have been combating their lines of suppy for 15 years now, which the Serbs allowed to run until trouble started.
Amestria
28-09-2005, 22:43
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OOC: It will be much easier than you think, Albanians have not been mistreated until the terrorists have made things worse for them, we aren't targeting the civilians instead of the terrorists like the Serbs did, and we have been combating their lines of suppy for 15 years now, which the Serbs allowed to run until trouble started.
OOC: I disagree, as you posted earlier, "I tried to handle them peacefully by merely deporting them, It seems that you may have forgotten that i have been deporting Albanians for nearly 15 years now." Also you have burned villages to the ground and 20% of the population (according to GB) has fled. You have definitely mistreated the Ethnic Albanian population, many have been killed, and it is a little too late to try to win hearts and minds.
What about the court case?
Galveston Bay
28-09-2005, 23:15
OOC: Just wondering who is doing the killing, because as yet we have not ordered anything to be acted upon, other than the shooting of terrorists. If it is rogue units or Serbian and Macedonian terrorists that is one thing, but I don't see how people can blame my government for those things to the level of sending troops. Also i want no war, but it seems that the Albanians are hell bent on having one, in which case i will not restrain my policy any longer..
ooc
war moderator here.... I was very specific when I posted on how and why people were dying. Resistance fighters were killed when fighting the government, and a very specific incident occured when refugees got caught in a crossfire. However, civilians were indeed killed. These kind of things happen.
Iron Blood
28-09-2005, 23:17
Czechoslovakia fully backs its bretheren in Yugoslavia and would be willing to send four armored cars to aid in the restoration of governmental order in Kosovo. We would also be willing to deploy a squadron of twelve reconaissance aircraft to aid in the struggle against Albanian agression.
Independent Macedonia
28-09-2005, 23:44
Yugoslavia doesn't need much help right now, as the terrorist threat is minimal. Should Albania act anymore help will greatly be appreciated.
OOC: Thanks for clearing that up Galveston, i was being confused by the Albanian propaganda :P
Amestria
29-09-2005, 00:50
ooc
For now, unless specifically stated, the ethnic Albanians have no significant supplies of weapons and are thoroughly victimized. Nearly 20% immediately flee across the border, especially those living in the border areas, while 75% are thoroughly suppressed and hope the situation will go away or Albania will come save them. However, 5% try to resist, and most of these are soon killed (25% of those who resist) or driven across the border as well (70%), leaving only a very small minority to continue the fight with whatever weapons they can obtain.
IC
The Yugoslav police action is brutal but effective, and smoke from burning villages quickly becomes a common sight along the border. However, moderate and liberal elements in the Yugoslav government are appalled and some protest loudly. Some also leak word of the horrors to the outside world, especially to the Western Press.
Along the border itself, Albanian border guards get into an unauthorized exchange of fire with Yugoslav army units attempting to intercept a refugee column, and a day long firefight results in several dozen dead on each side, and dozens more wounded. Plus the refugee column is thoroughly shot up in the cross fire, and several photographs of dead women and children reach the Western world.
OOC: Propaganda?
Ottoman Khaif
29-09-2005, 01:19
Official Statement of the Ottoman Government
The Ottoman State here by givens all its support to the Yugoslav governemnt, we issue our condemnation to the killing of Albanians. Yet we issue our own condemnation of the Albanian Government for calling for people of stable regions of Yugoslavia to rebel against the government. Just causing chaos. Any arm action against the Yugoslav government by an outside force will result in a war against the Ottoman Empire. We state that this matter must be deal with peaceful. We call upon both governments to restore the peace and call upon the Albanian government to drop its claims to these regions.
Signed
Sultan Mehmed VI
Grand Vizier Ahmed Tevfik Pasha
President Mustafa Kemal Pasha
Prime Minister Ismail Enver Pasha
OOC: What just happen is this, the Ottomans have more of relationship with Yugoslavia thanks to WW1, and to Albania, they personal don't like them anymore and recent events has show them that Albania is out to just take more land, so they are bend on not allowing them to get away with it scot free.Even thought the Albanian are mostly Muslim at the moment, its doesn't mean we have to come and save them or support them blindly, to us they are causing all the touble for the region.
Amestria
29-09-2005, 01:30
TO: Sultan Mehmed VI
Grand Vizier Ahmed Tevfik Pasha
President Mustafa Kemal Pasha
Prime Minister Ismail Enver Pasha
The Albanian Government has not laid claim to any Yugoslavian territory. It advocated that the people of Kosovo be given a right to self determination by a free and fair vote. The Albanian Government supported peaceful protests and parties, it did not support armed groups which formed partly due to Serb abuse. Kosovo turned violent when Serbian terrorists and Yugoslavian police/soldiers attacked the demonstrators. The Albanian Government at no point called for Kosovo to revolt.
-President Fan S. Noli
Independent Macedonia
29-09-2005, 01:42
In Kosovo a new regional party is formed, the National Socialist Albanian Workers Party. They seek to dominate the local government of Kosovo and work towards the provinces unification with Albania.
The Albanian government encourages these actions.
Is it just me or does it seems like Albania just started the Nazi party?
Vas Pokhoronim
29-09-2005, 02:01
No. It's not just you. It was pretty funny, I thought. Well, disturbing. But funny.
Where would we be without Nazis, anyway?
All we've got so far is the Arrow Cross in Hungary and the Integralists in Brazil. Even the Romanian Iron Guards are being suppressed. It's a very un-Fascist World we've got here.
At least for the moment.
Amestria
29-09-2005, 02:08
In Kosovo a new regional party is formed, the National Socialist Albanian Workers Party. They seek to dominate the local government of Kosovo and work towards the provinces unification with Albania.
The Albanian government encourages these actions.
Is it just me or does it seems like Albania just started the Nazi party?
OOC: So you noticed the name. I figured it was only a matter of time before some political guru decided to combine Nationalism (which is always popular) with Socialism (which is even more popular) with workers (popular amoung workers). In the Albanian language the party could not be abrivated as nazi. The party is a regional party which seeks independence for Kosovo by peaceful measures; its actions have so far remained non-violent. (Remember National Socialism has not been defined in this time-line yet; Germany is under communist rule and Hitler is most likly dead. I thought I'd have some fun with names).
Amestria
29-09-2005, 02:53
OOC: Here is a link to a geographic map of Kosovo (ignore all the modern stuff like roads).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UTkosovo_rel_small_92.jpg
As you can clearly see much of southern (and some easthern regions of) Kosovo is mountainous, which gives advantage to any rebel groups which operate there. The same goes for the Yugoslavian-Albanian border, making it quite difficult to patrol for the Yugoslavians; let alone the Albanian border forces who are currently dealing with a refugee nightmare.
Independent Macedonia
29-09-2005, 03:28
OOC: I am pretty sure everyone knows the geography of Kosovo, so you don't have to bring something up like that. Also i have done a 14 page paper on the KLA so you don't have to go on and on about them, we get it and we understand the stuff you are talking about which much of it is irrelevant. The terrorist can't operate without Albanian support, the geography works against them when it comes to supplies, the only reason many of the KLA operations worked was because Yugoslavia was fragmented(not the case here) and they had the support of Albania. You cut off your support and they will fade away as the IRA has without public support. Albanian rights weren't infringed upon until the terrorists started acting out, it is no different than what happened in the USA during WWII. Stop making this out to be a genocide or something, we aren't doing much but sitting back and letting the Albanians make fools of themselves while we hunt down the terrorists with our best units.
Amestria
29-09-2005, 03:46
OOC: The terrorist can't operate without Albanian support, the geography works against them when it comes to supplies, the only reason many of the KLA operations worked was because Yugoslavia was fragmented(not the case here) and they had the support of Albania. You cut off your support and they will fade away as the IRA has without public support.
Remember the Serb army and the rebels were using modern tech. and 90s Kosovo was a lot more developed (more roads, an airport, est.). This is in a less developed (more isolated) Kosovo with 1920s tech. Also the 1990s Albanian government did not support the rebels as it was in anarchy at the time. All the support came from private organisations.
Albanian rights weren't infringed upon until the terrorists started acting out,
Actually the "terrorists", did not act out until Ethnic Albanians came under attack by Serb nationalists (who threw flame bombs). They were a minority and had few weapons and did not become active until the Serbian violence (read the thread, no violence in Kosovo until after the Serbian nationalists started attacking Albanians).
it is no different than what happened in the USA during WWII.
:confused:
Stop making this out to be a genocide or something, we aren't doing much but sitting back and letting the Albanians make fools of themselves while we hunt down the terrorists with our best units.
Burning villages with 20% of the population displaced is not genocide? Anyway lets let the war mod. decide how the conflict goes in Kosovo (thats what hes here for and does a damn good job at) and stop cluttering up this thread with OOC.
P.S. I provided the map to make things easier for GB or VP.
Philanchez
29-09-2005, 04:49
The Valencia Gazette
Partido Conservativo Popular, that is the name that the sad men revolting in Zaragoza have called themselves. Already the government has sent 50,000 troops to the city to take control. Many known conservatives have defected to the PCP includeing the once popular Colonel Fransisco Franco. His brother has declared his allegiance to the Partido de Monarcho-Syndicalism and Partido Socialista Obrero Espana. Both popular partys have declared allegiance to the King and Government and the Basque and Catalan seperatists have declared their opposition to the PCP as the current government has given them an equal representation in Parliament and allows limited autonomy. Colonel Franco has declared himself Caudillo de la gente Espana and many of his troops have defected to the PCP with Franco.
The Francist forces led a revolt in Cadiz which effectively took control of the province of Cadiz. The Francist forces are said to number 17,750 and are being bolstered by citizens pledgeing their support. Zaragoza is controlled by the PCP who have officially formed a coalition with the Francists in Cadiz. The total number of their forces is 43,750 and they are marching on Madrid. The 50,000 Government forces will arrive in Zaragoza within two days and 3 cruisers, a destroyer, and 23 torpedo boats have been sent to Cadiz to blockade the port.
Galveston Bay
29-09-2005, 16:08
estimated population of Kosovo 1923 (extrapolated from 1948 figure)
550,000 total
20% are Serb (110,000)
this leaves 440,000
20% flee across border after villages start getting burned 88,000
5% chose to resist (22,000, of which 5,500 are men of fighting age)
5,500 people are killed resisting (including non combatants), 15,400 flee
Total refugee population 103,400
remaining insurgents 1,100 (including old men and teenagers)
weapons are old rifles from the Great War or various civilian weapons including small bore shotguns
Killed in the refugee column that got caught in crossfire -- 230
Vas Pokhoronim
29-09-2005, 18:00
Since I've become kind of an assistant deputy sort of WarMod, in a way, I'm going to mention my own judgment on this conflict, in the capacity of a kind of an assistant deputy sort of WarMod, in a way.
The Kosovar Albanian rebels are not likely to last out the Winter in their hills and mountains. The only reason why there is a guerrilla war currently ongoing in Brazil is because the United States is providing the Rebels there with effectively unlimited support. Even so, in Brazil, Rebel logistical problems are becoming more serious, since transportation in their areas of control is terrible. The US, Great Britain, and probably Germany are the only countries in the world right now that could possibly sponsor an effective guerrilla war. The postwar capacity of the military-industrial complex in RL is what made cheap weapons and ammunition so commonly available on the world market, and lacking that (as we do in E20 at the present time), no guerrilla movement can possibly be self-sustaining. The KLA will run out of ammunition very quickly, and has no reliable source of replacements. If they evade capture, they are likely to starve or freeze.
Kosovo may well remain a point of contention for many years to come (assuming Albania survives that long . . . Tirana has few if any reliable allies and one powerful enemy right on their border), but this particular conflict is almost certainly about to dry up.
Galveston Bay
29-09-2005, 18:52
ooc
I agree 100% with Vas.... even smuggling weapons and ammunition across the border isn't going to be enough. The guerillas will have to either break up completely and try to fade into the population as individuals, or will run out of ammunition and food. Unless of course they are caught and killed or captured. Many (probably most) will give up and head across the border as some point, leaving less than 100 die hards who will indeed die.
Vas Pokhoronim
29-09-2005, 19:06
Hard.
Gintonpar
29-09-2005, 19:29
harhar. :D
Vas Pokhoronim
30-09-2005, 06:47
The Union Special Investigation Tribunal for Kosovo has determined that the chief fault for the current violence originally lay not with the malice of either government but rather with the lack of effective police authority and an absence of any credible integration among the minority population, due in part to both Serbian and Albanian discrimination and ethnic pride. There is some evidence on the part of both states of encouraging ethnic rivalry through unethical policies, but in general, it is the conclusion of this Tribunal that neither Albania nor Yugoslavia truly wanted or expected the present outbreak of violence in the region.
The Union does not support self-rule for Kosovo. The Federation of Yugoslavia was intended from its inception to be a multiethnic democratic state, and there is nothing therefore inherently incompatible with Yugoslav government serving a minority Albanian population. It is understood that the Albanians resident in the province have, in some cases, roots there which stretch back perhaps as long as three centuries, but nevertheless Kosovoas a territory has been an integral component of the Serbian state since the accession of the Nemanjic dynasty in 1216. Moreover, since the Middle Ages and before, the province has supported an ethnic mix of populations including, at times, Vlachs, Greeks, and Bulgarians, and even Armenians, Italians, and Germans. The Tribunal, taking history into account, does not believe that ethnicity alone can decide the disposition of a territory. If this were the case, then there could be no multiethnic state, and the world would perforce be governed according to the principles of racialist separatism.
The Union, therefore, will not support any plebiscite regarding Kosovo's "status" within the Yugoslav Federation, at least not one that that might lead to the contemplation of separation.
This being said, it is clear that something must be done if the situation is not to degenerate into open warfare.
Both Albanian and Yugoslavian security forces have proven inadequate to the task of controlling the common border peacefully, and civilians have died as a result. By law, no foreign troops may set foot on Albanian soil, and the Union upholds this law. To that end will offer two divisions of the Red Army to secure the border between the states, and work in cooperation with the French military. Sarajevo is free to refuse, of course, as Yugoslavia is a sovereign nation, but in the aftermath of the unfortunate incident of 26 II 1923 [OoC: The exchange of gunfire along the border in which the refugees were killed.] we recommend that Sarajevo accept our offer in the spirit in which it is intended, as that of a concerned friend, who may serve as a neutral force where the Yugoslav Army itself, by its very nature, cannot.
Moreover, steps must be taken by the Yugoslav government to deter discrimination and integrate the Albanian minority into the common national identity. The Albanian government, conversely, must recognize that national identity and refrain from engaging in any attempts, passive or active, to undermine it. If the Albanian citizens of Yugoslavia had emigrated instead to the United States, would Tirana try to compel Washington to allow a vote on the expatriates' status there? The Union dismisses this as absurd, and considers the matter in Kosovo to be logically identical.
Kosovo is an integral territory of Serbia, which is now an integral territory of Yugoslavia. The territory of Serbia voted to become part of Yugoslavia when the Federal Constitution was adopted. If every small district and township that had voted against the Federation had been exempted from it, the Balkans would be a patchwork of sovereign states and the laughingstock of the world. The argument that Kosovo was not "asked" to incorporate itself to the Federation has no substance. Serbia was asked, and Kosovo is part of Serbia.
We fully support the protection of minority rights. The Union is a world leader in that regard [OoC: Surprisingly enough, it's true], and we are willing to advise the parties on legal and peaceful solutions to their legitimate grievances.
- Arkady Gaidar, Chief of the Union Special Investigation Tribunal for Kosovo
Amestria
30-09-2005, 07:04
OOC: VP telegram
Independent Macedonia
30-09-2005, 12:42
Parliament decides in favor of intervention!
Today, Prime Minister Ante Trumbic called for parliament to decide in favor of Russian and French peacekeepers being deployed to the Albanian/Yugoslavian border. Later that day in a unianoumous decision, parliament decided to allow intervention in the hopes of preventing Albania from destabilizing southern Yugoslavia. Prime Minister Ante Trumbic, thanked both parliament and Russia and France for making this intervention possible, and making an attempt at stabilzing the region.
Vas Pokhoronim
30-09-2005, 16:02
Two Red Army divisions (including aerial reconnaissance units) have been mobilized and on their way to the Yugoslav/Albanian border in order to secure it. They will be passing through German territory - the long way, rather than through Romania.
Union Constitutional Justices and lawyers are also heading to Sarajevo to advise the Federal Government on minority issues. While the Union's position is that the unrest in Kosovo is entirely an internal matter, we believe that it may be appropriate for Tirana to send an observer, or perhaps even an advocate, but Sarajevo must agree to either.
ooc:Vas can you get on MSN maybe yes?
In response to the request for intervention from the Yugoslavian government, France has dispatched two French divisions and a squadron of recon planes to Yugoslavia. They are traveling by ship to Yugoslavia and will then be transported by rail and road to Kosovo, where they will meet with the Russian forces.
The French commander has asked to meet with the Russian officers as soon as possible so they can work out a plan of action.
Amestria
30-09-2005, 20:29
(August, 1923)
The KLA launches an offensive against Yugoslavia.
The KLA currently has 19,200 fighters (14,200 of the fighters who fled into Albania, 5000 new recruits). The headquarters of the KLA’s Peoples Committee is Bajram Curri, Tropoje District.
17,200 KLA fighters brake into small groups (about one to two hundred each) and cross the Yugoslavian border at night in isolated areas (not just the Kosovo border, they also cross into Macedonia and Monte-Negro). There goal is to quickly attack/terrorize Serbian civilians and police (looting police stations for weapons and supplies if possible) then flee back across the border before reinforcements can arrive. They avoid confronting the Yugoslavian military, but are not above an ambush they outnumber the enemy.
2000 fighters remain behind at their headquarters with their leader Hasan-bej Prishtina.
The Albanian government does nothing to stop them as it cannot do anything to stop them. The current 9000 government troops are busy dealing with the refugees and getting food and supplies to the area (Tropoje District where most of the 88,000 refugees are formerly had a population of about 9000). The same goes for the border patrol and what few police there are.
OOC: Why the diplomats debate the chaos along the border continues. The rebels are trying to score some successes and bolster their cause before the winter and peacekeepers arrive.
Amestria
30-09-2005, 20:35
Message from the Albanian Government
Tirana will send an observer/advocate if Sarajevo agrees.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 21:22
(August, 1923)
The KLA launches an offensive against Yugoslavia.
The KLA currently has 19,200 fighters (14,200 of the fighters who fled into Albania, 5000 new recruits). The headquarters of the KLA’s Peoples Committee is Bajram Curri, Tropoje District.
17,200 KLA fighters brake into small groups (about one to two hundred each) and cross the Yugoslavian border at night in isolated areas (not just the Kosovo border, they also cross into Macedonia and Monte-Negro). There goal is to quickly attack/terrorize Serbian civilians and police (looting police stations for weapons and supplies if possible) then flee back across the border before reinforcements can arrive. They avoid confronting the Yugoslavian military, but are not above an ambush they outnumber the enemy.
2000 fighters remain behind at their headquarters with their leader Hasan-bej Prishtina.
The Albanian government does nothing to stop them as it cannot do anything to stop them. The current 9000 government troops are busy dealing with the refugees and getting food and supplies to the area (Tropoje District where most of the 88,000 refugees are formerly had a population of about 9000). The same goes for the border patrol and what few police there are.
OOC: Why the diplomats debate the chaos along the border continues. The rebels are trying to score some successes and bolster their cause before the winter and peacekeepers arrive.
war moderator here... The Yugoslavs have indicated they have reinforced their border, so a number of skirmishes erupt. Generally the Yugoslavs get the better of it as they are in position while the Rebels have to move. In a week, the Rebels suffer 500 casualties and in some places are rebuffed. The Yugoslavs ask their goverment for permission to pursue guerillas over the border and hotter heads demand an invasion of Albania to end it quickly.
Amestria
30-09-2005, 21:25
OOC: war mod. what are the government and civilion causalties? What is the rebel moral? How many rebels desert after being rebuffed?
Independent Macedonia
30-09-2005, 21:43
While talks are being pursued all attempts at moving into Albanian sovereign territory will be denied by the high command.
Albania can send what ever they want to the meeting with the Russians, but we will not be forced to accept their input, as they have been known to spout very radical demands.
OOC: When will French peace-keepers arrive?
Colombia will support the annexation of Albania by Yugoslavia in order to maintain peace and security in the region.
Independent Macedonia
30-09-2005, 22:46
OOC: errr, i think columbia has been missinformed, that part of my plan has not gone into effect YET. J/k, i think the French troops should have arrived sometime now or in the next few hours heh, the latest i could see is tomorrow. Any time in between 1 second after i post this and tomorrow seems realistic to me.
Amestria
30-09-2005, 22:48
Message from the Albanian Government
The Albanian Government asks the Yugoslavian government to join it in rejecting the Colombian governments threatening and illogical statements.
Amestria
30-09-2005, 22:57
OOC: The Kosovo Conference Thread link:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447118
ooc: No, I completely understand you don't want to. We're just trying to portray how much we really don't like the Albanians anymore at this point.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 23:28
OOC: When will French peace-keepers arrive?
about 2 weeks after being ordered... where are they disembarking? Yugoslav or Albanian territory? or elsewhere?
Independent Macedonia
30-09-2005, 23:47
they are disembarking in Yugoslavia and proceeding by road and rail from there.
Galveston Bay
30-09-2005, 23:56
they are disembarking in Yugoslavia and proceeding by road and rail from there.
Then they have now reached the border area and are deploying. Further Albanian moves will definitely bring them into conflict with French regulars.
Amestria
01-10-2005, 00:10
OOC: war mod. what are the government and civilion causalties? What is the rebel moral? How many rebels desert after being rebuffed? Those details were not provided...
Galveston Bay
01-10-2005, 00:58
OOC: war mod. what are the government and civilion causalties? What is the rebel moral? How many rebels desert after being rebuffed? Those details were not provided...
ooc
nor will they be until I have time to figure them out. You would not know Yugoslav casualties in any event. You have not indicated to me exactly what kind of targets your guerillas are hitting, but they are getting rebuffed at the border to an extent. Some are however getting into Yugoslav territory. So what are their targets?
The French commander immediatly declares martial law and imposes a curfew. Anyone caught outside after curfew will be arrested and detained for questioning. They begin humanitaian efforts to help rebuild homes and public buildings and distribut food to those in need. They are also beginning sweeps of the area with patrols and armored cars to ferret out any rebels. Their recon planes are and about doing their thing. The plane have also begun dropping leaflets, written in a variety of languages, into the mountains tellling the rebels that they're fight is essentially hopeless. They are outnumbered and outgunned, but the French respect their bravery. They are promised proper treatment if they surrender to the French and any asking for asylum will be allowed to immigrate to France, along with immediate Family members. However, those found to have commited crimes, such as murder or rape will be handed over to the Yugoslavian governemnt for a civil trail.
Text of one such leaflet
Attention Soldiers of the Kosovo Liberation Army
You are brave fighters and are obviously fighting for what you believe in. But, is it really worth starving and freezing in the mountains? Is it worth never seeing your families again? You are poorly armed and have few supplies. Winter is coming and you have no blankets or warm clothing. You cannot risk lighting fires for fear of detection.
Please, for the sake of yourselves, your families, and your countrymen give up this hopless fight. Simply approach the nearest French patrol or outpost and show the ranking officer this leaflet or tell him that you are turning yourself in. You will recieve shelter, hot food, and a warm bed. You will be treated with courtesy and respect. After a few questions you will be allowed to return to your homes. If you fear that the government will attempt reprisals against you, simply ask for political asylum to France. You and your immediate family will be allowed to immigrate and begin a new life there.
However, if you are found to have commited a crime, such as murder or rape we will have no choice but to turn you over to the Yugoslavian authorities for a civil trial.
Remember, the French are not your enemies. They are the friends of you and all other peace-loving peoples.
(Printed on the leaflet, below the writing are several pictures of French soldiers handing out food, helping to rebuild homes, etc. )
On the reverse side, printed in French and Russian are the words
"This man is surrendering himself to the French Peace-keepers. Treat him properly and with respect."
The French will follow their word on this.
OOC: Woo-hoo! Propoganda!
Amestria
01-10-2005, 03:07
ooc
nor will they be until I have time to figure them out. You would not know Yugoslav casualties in any event. You have not indicated to me exactly what kind of targets your guerillas are hitting, but they are getting rebuffed at the border to an extent. Some are however getting into Yugoslav territory. So what are their targets?
OOC: Sorry, I thought I made that clear, but looks like I was mistaken. Now the attack took place in the two weeks before the peace-keepers arrived.
Targets in order of priority:
1. Serbian civilians (houses, businesses, est.)
2. Serbian Police Stations (to be looted for weapons and supplies)
3. Serbian Police Officers
4. Yugoslavian military patrols if the rebels out-number them (and only by night ambush)
After doing some damage each rebel group will flee back accross the border. Remember the attack took place before the French and Russians arrived.
Galveston Bay
01-10-2005, 03:53
ooc
fighting along the frontier... Kosovo Liberation Army vs Yugoslav army on the border.
Roughly 21% of the KLA is unable to penetrate even the initial border area, and is driven off. Another 29% manages to penetrate the border but is then driven back out again. This leaves about 50%. Most of the villagers near the border were or are ethnic Albanian, so deep penetration is required to reach ethnic Serb areas. Half of these missions are intercepted and driven back or destroyed. So only about a quarter of the insurgent bands even get into the ethnic Serb area, and after the first few raids, these areas have been fortified by military forces (at least garrisoned). Roughly half of the insurgent bands are intercepted on the way out as well. So one chance in eight of a completely successful (as in not getting intercepted) mission.
So a rough estimate would be about 10,000 Serbian casualties, mostly innocent women and children. In exchange, because the initial estimate was based on a shallow penetration, I have revised the Albanian estimate of losses sharply upwards. Figure 3,000 Albanians killed or missing.
Atrocities against Kosovo Albanians go up as well, even if they aren't sanctioned. Figure some villages are now burned with the people still in the houses. Rough estimate is 4,000 ethnic Albanians killed in that way.
Then the peacekeepers arrive to find a very angry Yugoslav army thirsting for revenge.
estimates based on information regarding NVA vs ARVN/RF in the Vietnam War during the 1969 period, when both were at decent effectiveness levels.
Iron Blood
01-10-2005, 03:57
Czechoslovakia is outraged at the Islamic slaughter of Slavs and reiterates its offer of any assistance needed to combat the agressive spread of Albanian terrorism.
Vas Pokhoronim
01-10-2005, 06:50
I'm REALLY busy in RL this weekend, so I'll place the Russian troops under a joint command with the French officer acting as senior, while concentrating on the diplomatic angle.
The Union Supreme Council will also sincerely thank its Romanian and Czechoslovakian friends, and express its hopes that no further involvement will become necessary for anyone.
Amestria
01-10-2005, 09:06
In Defense of the Republic of Kosova
Any soldier who betrays the Defense of the Republic will be executed for treason. Any citizen who cooperates with the Serbian oppressors will be executed for treason.
People's Committee Order 36
(this is a KLA declaration)
Amestria
01-10-2005, 09:22
The Kosovo Liberation Army currently stands at about 16,200 fighters. After the success of the August offensive they settle down in the Tropoje and Has Districts, where they exercise considerable control (the governors of both Districts have been replaced with their cronies). They outnumber the overburdened government forces (although the government has them out-gunned). To remedy the situation and hopefully restore order President Noli has ordered the 2nd and 3rd cavalry regiments to the Tropoje District.
The leader of the KLA, Hasan-bej Prishtina continues to declare Kosovo an Independent Republic and now calls himself the President of Kosovo.
The KLA continues to recruit among the refugees and gather weapons.
The French, now working with the Russians, continue to wage a propoganda campaign aimed at getting the KLA fighters to come out of the hills and surrender. They continue to help rebuild lost homes and distribute food to the people.
After seeing the result of the KLA's last campaign security along the border has been tightened and the French commander is seeking permission to cross the border and deal with the KLA once and for all.
Further propoganda tells the KLA soldiers that if they continue the fight they are murdering innocent people, who have done nothing to harm them and are essentially defenseless. It goes on to ask why the KLA would do such a thing, as the French and Russians are sure that it is ther leaders who are responsible for these horrible crimes and that the reader of the leaflet should surrender to the nearest French or Russian patrol. Offers of proper treatment, etc are reiterated. The leaflets include several pictures of atrocities commited by the KLA infiltration teams.
Amestria
01-10-2005, 22:17
The French propoganda will have some effect on the some 1000 fighters in Kosovo, but it will have no effect on the 16200+ in Albania. Also any fighter who surrenders has been promised death. (war mod can you rule how many of the rebels in Kosovo throw down their weapons)
The Albanian Government refuses French requests to cross the border. "French intervention on the Albanian side would only further destabalize the country and would fail to defeat the KLA." They further point out that there are 88,000 refugees between the French peace-keepers in Kosovo and the KLA fighters in Bajram Curri.
Vas Pokhoronim
01-10-2005, 22:46
"French intervention on the Albanian side would only further destabalize the country and would fail to defeat the KLA." They further point out that there are 88,000 refugees between the French peace-keepers in Kosovo and the KLA fighters in Bajram Curri.
The Union fails to understand this argument, and very strongly recommends to Tirana that the Albanian government reconsider this position. Very strongly recommends.
- Union Supreme Council
Independent Macedonia
01-10-2005, 22:49
Yugoslavia should like it to be known that if Albania keeps protecting the terrorists with their lies, the military will move to destroy the KLA, we hope the Peacekeepers can solve matters before our action is needed though.
Amestria
01-10-2005, 22:57
Message from the Albanian Government
If an intervention of Albania is launched it could cause a Nationalist backlash that would only aid the KLA. If directly attacked the KLA will scatter into the hills and mountains. Zog was able to hold out for two years with only about 1000 fighters, the KLA has over 16,000. An intervention would disrupt the aid flowing to the refugees and a significant number of them could be caught in the cross fire (again!).
Any Yugoslavian movement across our border will be considered an invasion, with all that implies!
Vas Pokhoronim
01-10-2005, 23:13
And these arguments only support the conclusion that French intervention is desirable - and the sooner the better. The French will not be "invaders," and moreover since it is clear that the Albanian government is incapable of maintaining order and dealing decisively with these terrorists it is obviously necessary that someone else do it. The Red Army cannot, without violating Albanian law. The Yugoslavs cannot, without precipitating a war. The Albanians cannot, because they are inadequate to the task. Only the French can deal with these criminal traitors.
If Tirana persists in denying peacekeepers access to their territory, it will become increasingly clear that they are only attempting to protect the KLA, and what that will say about Tirana's true intentions and loyalties is obvious.
It will mean that Albania has already been engaged in an illegal, undeclared war of aggression against Yugoslavia, and the Union will support whatever steps Sarajevo will need to take in order to ensure its security and the safety of Yugoslavian citizens.
- Union Supreme Council
Amestria
01-10-2005, 23:21
Message from the Albanian Government
We wish to find a diplomatic solution to the KLA problem. At present our forces are "incapable of maintaining order and dealing decisively with these terrorists" because of the 88,000 refugees. Should the majority of those people return to Kosovo the Albanian government could exercise much more control over the Tropoje and Has Districts.
As we have said before if the KLA is attacked it will simply flee deeper into Albania, there is nothing to stop it from doing that. What then?
Vas Pokhoronim
01-10-2005, 23:40
If the KLA flees into the hills and mountains then presumably they may expect harsh treatment from General Zima [OoC: Zima is the Russian word for "Winter"].
What is more curious to this Council is why the Government in Tirana is so concerned for the safety of armed murderers who allegedly reject the Government's authority?
Why else the reluctance? If they were truly Tirana's enemies the Government should be happy to see someone doing something about them.
- Union Supreme Council
Amestria
02-10-2005, 00:00
Message from the Albanian Government
The KLA killed, it is estimated, 10,000 serbs in two weeks. What is to stop them from doing that here? We suggest that the refugees be allowed to return. That would deprive the KLA of a source of man-power and allow our government to reassume it's authority. Perhaps Yugoslavia could decrease their numbers further by declaring some sort of amnesty...
Vas Pokhoronim
02-10-2005, 00:19
What would stop KLA violence in Albania would be the presence of French troops, if Tirana were not so suspiciously obstinate. Until the KLA has been dealt with, it would be absurd to allow refugees back across the border, since any of them could conceivably be infiltrators. The Albanian Government itself admits that the refugee population provides the KLA with "manpower," after all.
Again, the Union fails to understand the sense of Tirana's position, unless it is merely a dishonest one in support of an expansionist policy that is threatened by the presence of neutral peacekeepers.
- Union Supreme Council
Amestria
02-10-2005, 00:27
Message from the Albanian Government
We have no wish for a return to civil war. The peace-keepers could search the returning refugees for weapons. With over 50,000 troops in Kosovo, the threat of infiltrators is small. The reason the KLA became so large and powerful was the Yugoslavian crack-down, learn from their mistakes.
We will further remind you that it was the Albanian Government that called for peace-keepers. The Yugoslavian Government said peace-keepers "were not necessary".
Vas Pokhoronim
02-10-2005, 00:54
This is no answer, but merely more evasion. Why does Tirana object to French peacekeepers on Albanian soil?
- Union Supreme Council
Independent Macedonia
02-10-2005, 01:02
The Federated States' High Command is sending the 8th Infantry Division and 11th Armored Recon Division to further strengthen the border with Albania and prevent further attacks from the KLA, also 2 reserve divisions are being called up to Garrison Pristina and the surrounding area, as well as the Macedonian border with Albania.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 01:18
Message from the Albanian Government
We have made the reasons as clear as possible. The rebels currently pose little threat to Yugoslavia with so many troops on the border. We will work towards our own solution to the problem. In the meantime we suggest the refugees be allowed to return and an amnesty declared.
Vas Pokhoronim
02-10-2005, 01:26
The French, now working with the Russians, continue to wage a propoganda campaign aimed at getting the KLA fighters to come out of the hills and surrender. They continue to help rebuild lost homes and distribute food to the people.
After seeing the result of the KLA's last campaign security along the border has been tightened and the French commander is seeking permission to cross the border and deal with the KLA once and for all.
Further propoganda tells the KLA soldiers that if they continue the fight they are murdering innocent people, who have done nothing to harm them and are essentially defenseless. It goes on to ask why the KLA would do such a thing, as the French and Russians are sure that it is ther leaders who are responsible for these horrible crimes and that the reader of the leaflet should surrender to the nearest French or Russian patrol. Offers of proper treatment, etc are reiterated. The leaflets include several pictures of atrocities commited by the KLA infiltration teams.
Why does Tirana wish the KLA to survive? That is the question Tirana is evading. It seems to this Council that, in a well-run state, the destruction of an armed rebel movement would not be regarded as "destabilizing."
-The Union Supreme Council
Independent Macedonia
02-10-2005, 01:26
No such things will be accepted, the Refugees stay out of the combat areas. The Albanian Government if anything should help them to get further into Albania so as to keep them away from the KLA and the French who should be going in after them.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 01:30
To:The Union Supreme Council
From: President Fan S. Noli
The KLA would survive the attack and would possibly turn in on Albania. If French peace-keepers crossed the border they would arrive at Bajram Curri to find the KLA gone. The only solution at present is to weaken it through non-military actions. Let the refugees return!
-President Fan S. Noli
Vas Pokhoronim
02-10-2005, 01:40
You cannot predict with such certainty the outcome of a military campaign. Do not even try to pretend to me that this is possible. You are evading justice and obstructing the peace process in an attempt to illegally seize the historically Serbian land of Kosovo. You have not answered any of the Council's concerns openly or honorably. The only obstruction to a solution is Tirana, which protects its terrorists behind the human shields of Albanian refugees. It sickens me, frankly.
You will permit French peacekeepers to do their jobs - which is to keep the peace, by effectively dealing with threats to it. Or the consequences will be dire for the current Albanian Government.
The Mediterranean Squadron of the Red Fleet is already returning from Spain to blockade the Albanian coast.
If you refuse, Red Army units will be ordered to fire on any Albanian that comes within range of our guns. After all, any of them might be a terrorist, and we must do whatever we can to keep the peace. And let me assure you, Mr. President, the range of our guns is long.
This is your final warning. Moscow has lost all patience with your obstinacy.
- Premier N.I. Bukharin, Union of Social-Democratic Republics
Amestria
02-10-2005, 02:01
Message from the Albanian Government
If the French peace-keepers wish to intervene in Albanian territory to destroy the KLA we will allow them, but advise strongly for them not to.
Remove your fleet now!
Vas Pokhoronim
02-10-2005, 02:07
Message from the Albanian Government
If the French peace-keepers wish to intervene in Albanian territory to destroy the KLA we will allow them, but advise strongly for them not to.
Remove your fleet now!
The Fleet will withdraw to Turkish waters, and will not interfere with civilian shipping.
- Commissariat of Armed Struggle, Union of Social-Democratic Republics
The French commander announces that he plans to cross the Albanian border with armored cars, troops, a few tanks, and recon planes to begin dealing with those members of the KLA who will not surrender...with or without the Albanian government's permission, good will, or blessings.
A dicision of the French peace-keeping troops cross the Yugoslav-Albanian border, accompanied by armored cars and a regiment of FT-19 tanks. They have planes flying recon and reporting back to headuarters. They are seeking rebel strongholds and offer money and other goods to anyone who will provide information. They also put up posters urging members of the KLA to surrender now.
Any KLA members surrendering will be treated as a prisoner of war, unless it is found they are higher echelon members. Higher echelon members will be turned over to the Yugoslavian government for trial.
Armed resistance will be met with lethal force or until the KLA member surrenders.
OOC: War mods, does my propoganda campaign have any effect?
Amestria
02-10-2005, 03:07
Upon hearing that French peace-keepers have crossed the border, the KLA simply flees into the interior mountains. They have food and winter clothing (civilan, not military, but it will still keep one warm). The French troops arrive to find Bajram Curri empty of KLA fighters. The refugees/general population has been warned that anyone who provides information will be killed (and they mean it).
Upon discovering that the KLA has fled to the interior, the French began reconessance flights over the interior mountains and continue the propoganada campaign. They dispatch aggressive armored car and foot patrols into the interior to root out rebel outposts. They also set up a semi-permenent camp in the area, prepare to biouvac for the winter, and continue operations in the interior.
The French also arrest the KLA backed officials and politely ask Albania to install new ones. Until new oficials can be provided the French declare martial law.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 03:21
The KLA plants bombs and traps for French patrols, but otherwise avoid them.
Several Interior Tribes refuse to allow the peace-keepers entry to their villages, citing that they are not led by Albanians (the last time peace-keepers where here they were led by a joint command).
Amestria
02-10-2005, 04:57
OOC: And now a few details on Albania's mountains.
From the Wikipedia:
The 70% of the country that is mountainous is rugged and often inaccessible. The remainder, an alluvial plain, receives precipitation seasonally, is poorly drained, and is alternately arid or flooded.
The rivers have deep valleys with steep sides and arable valley floors. Generally unnavigable, the rivers obstruct rather than encourage movement within the alpine region. Roads are few and poor. Lacking internal communications and external contacts, a tribal society flourished in this area for centuries.(end quote)
There are many isolated and (possiblly) xenophobic tribes in the northern areas. The Albanian government has been attempting to reach out to them, dating back to Zog revolt. However the police station, the school, and the government offical remains the exception, not the norm in the eastern areas where this is all taking place. It is possible that there are people who do not even know Albania is a country. Some takeing shots at the "peace-keepers" is not hard to imagene.
The French armored cars will quickly become worthless (the area is too steep and muddy). The KLA should have an easier time, having people who are expierenced with the area, and being able to speak the language and having some knowledge of tribal culture.
Independent Macedonia
02-10-2005, 05:03
OOC: The KLA are not from the area as you say, as most of them are from Kosovo, and are poorly equiped for the terrain, though the French have aircraft to warn them of any ambushes you would set up. Also the Aircraft can strafe and disrupt supply lines and troops, so the KLA is at a very big disadvantage when it comes to logistics as you are trying to supply nearly 2 irregular divisions with no supply lines to speak of, they would have to surrender pretty quickly or die of starvation, lack of ammo, or freezing.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 05:09
OOC: The KLA are not from the area as you say, as most of them are from Kosovo, and are poorly equiped for the terrain, though the French have aircraft to warn them of any ambushes you would set up. Also the Aircraft can strafe and disrupt supply lines and troops, so the KLA is at a very big disadvantage when it comes to logistics as you are trying to supply nearly 2 irregular divisions with no supply lines to speak of, they would have to surrender pretty quickly or die of starvation, lack of ammo, or freezing.
OOC: They have broken up into groups of 100-200, and have winter colthing (civilan, not military, but it will keep them warm). They also have food which they looted before they left and they can always barter with local tribes. And over 5000 of the KLA are Albanians from the area, so they will know all the little mountanous short cuts. As for ammo, they are avoiding the fight at the moment.
And it is not hard to imagene the French blasting some local tribes people by mistake (they dress in a similar manner and are also armed).
Realizing that they are facing very mountainous terrain the French commander sends back to France for a crack Alpine Division. It is immediatly mobilized and prepared for transport. It will arrive in two or three weeks.
OOC: That's true. Most of the KLA was recruited in Kosovo. They're poorly armed and poorly trained. I'd also like to point out that "looted" food won't last you all through the winter. You'll have to find another source of supply eventually.
[NS]Parthini
02-10-2005, 05:14
The Left Hand offers several Alpine Ski Troopers and Siberian Paratrooper battalions to assist the French Peacekeeping troops.
The French military commander is glad to accept them, as is the French government.
OOC: What the hell are they going to barter with? Their winter clothing? Ammunition? Money is probably worthless to the tribesmen.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 05:20
OOC: As I said they can barter with the mountain tribes and sympathizers will probably send food to the area under the guise of trade. The French will not have the numbers to cover every area.
IC: The German troops are not allowed into Albania as Germany has threatened to over-throw Albania's government. Also the Germans were never part of the origional deal, the Albanians talks with the Russians never mentioned the Germans. They will be kept out.
The French reply is essentially "Tough luck. They're coming in.", but not as polite.
OC: I really can't wait for GB to rule on this...
[NS]Parthini
02-10-2005, 05:22
Two Ski Battalions and Two Siberian Paratrooper Battalions with respective Transport Zeppelins as well as 4 accompaning Carrier Zeppelins have been sent to Lower Austria to prepare for rendevous with the French Peacekeepers. They are placed under command of a French General.
OOC: They are under French Command. Other than nationality, (which is Russian for 3/4ths of it), they no longer represent the Union.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 05:25
OOC: (on KLA bartering) Non-paper money would be worth something, they can offer labor, protection and there are the existing criminal networks to profit off (smuggaling).
IC: The Frence cannot make that decision without the Russians! The Germans will be considered invaders and resisted. The Germans were not part of the joint peace-keeping force and they cannot join without the agreement of all parties concerned!
The French courteously thank the Union for it's loan, in addition to the two Russian divisions under it's command.
Aa the Albanians have shown themselves either unwilling or unable to co-operate the French are co-opting their decision making privileges.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 05:52
OOC: Oh, and before you begin dropping pamplets from airplanes, know that the majority of people in this area CAN'T READ.
OOC: I'm asssuming the ones who can read will be intelligent enough to surrender. Besides, it's a propoganda trick. Oh, and thanks for the heads up. It means I can mix in some picture pamphlets for the illiterate.
Independent Macedonia
02-10-2005, 06:08
OOC: Please stop clogging up my thread with ooc stuff lol, it has gotten pretty bad.
IC: Yugoslavia in reaction to the Albanian threats of war is moving the 1st INF, 2nd INF, 3rd INF, and 11th AR divisions to the Italian border incase hostilities do break out. Also 2 more reserve divisions are being called up to immediatly fortify both the Italian and Albanian border
Current troop dispositions:
1st INF- Italian border
2nd INF- Italian border
3rd INF- Italian border
4th INF- Albanian border
5th INF- Italian border
6th INF- Spain
7th INF- Spain
8th INF- Albanian border
9th INF- Sarajevo
10th INF- Italian border
11th AR- Italian border
1st Reserve Pristina
2nd Reserve Macedonia
3rd Reserve Italian border
4th Reserve Albanian border
1st Volci Brigade Italian border
11th Armored Recon Brigade Kosovo
Air Force:
1st Recon Air wing - in french service
Amestria
02-10-2005, 06:11
Message from the Albanian Government
We did not threaten war. Please cancel your troop movements.
Independent Macedonia
02-10-2005, 06:14
Troop movements will not be canceled, we have the right to defend our land from a war-mongering Albania who had been expecting war ever since the beginning. Albania has done too much to be considered to have an honorable word. We act as honorable men who defend their people from a threat instead of making up reasons of why we can't.
Amestria
02-10-2005, 06:19
Message from the Albanian Government
Albania has 11,000 troops aiding the refugees 4,000 troops in the interior keeping order, and 1,000 troops in Tirana (thats our entire military). We have no military forces on the border that can threaten you. Please calm down. We are not war-mongering, your nation is the one preparing for war.
Independent Macedonia
02-10-2005, 06:22
those units are not meant to move into your nation, they are meant to keep the KLA out. Though, should Albania do something even more stupid then they already have, they may be forced to move in.
Galveston Bay
03-10-2005, 02:25
In Albania some hard decisions were made. The Army realized that they were about to conduct a gallant last stand as soon as spring came. Many officers were appalled by the governments backing of the rebels in Kosovo, who were committing atrocities. They were even more appalled because they realized that no one was going to save them except maybe the Italians, and as those were Russian ships offshore and not Italian ships, that looked hopeless.
There was only one thing to do. On Friday, December 23, elements of the army near the capital suddenly left their barracks and took up positions surrounding police stations. Other elements, generally intelligence officers and staff officers, went to the homes of the senior leaders of the government, backed up by troops and the few motor vehicles the government had. The Presidential Guard was surrounded in its barracks by artillery and infantry with machine guns and ordered to surrender. It swiftly did when it became clear that resistance was hopeless.
The President, and most of his senior leaders were killed as they rested in their beds or taken out and shot. By morning it was over. The commanders of the Army announced martial law on the radio as dawn broke over the mountains, and sent word to the Brazilian Embassy asking them to mediate a settlement.
Meanwhile orders went out to the army units on the border. Pull back 10 miles and secure all refugee compounds, and all villages. KLA members are to be ordered to surrender or shot if they resist. Captured KLA members will be held for trial for war crimes and murder.
This information is passed to the Brazilians to pass on to the Russians, French and Yugoslavs as well.
OOC
The Army is not interested in committing national suicide to save a bunch of bandits. It just spent a decade cleaning them out of their country, and they sure don't want to die defending new bandits who are worse than the ones they fought. They will fight if the French and Yugoslavs move past the 10 mile buffer zone, but only then. The Army mainly wants a deal that allows Albania to remain independent. The last straw was the order to storm the embassies.
Armestria, I am sorry, but this would certainly happen. Its not as if you have been invaded yet and had a chance to drum up a lot of nationalistic fervor. Your officers are going to be realistic, and competent, and smart enough to cut a deal to save the nation.
Vas Pokhoronim
03-10-2005, 02:29
The Union immediately recognizes the new military Government of Albania.
Independent Macedonia
03-10-2005, 06:06
With the Albanian Conflict over, Yugoslavia has gone about passing laws to protect minorities and ensure prosecution of the officers responsible for the atrocities commited in Kosovo.
In other news, the Yugoslavian navy has recieved their ships and has started training with them. Also, the reserve divisions called up for the defense of the Confederation have been put back into reserve and have returned back to their lives. Aide is freely flowing across the border into the Albania to help them support the refugees which do not return back to Kosovo.
Also, Yugoslavia has started building up the size of it's navy base in Split so as to become the fleets headquarters. The civilian port there is also being enlarged to allow more trade to pass through(Yugoslavia will hopefully be the nexus of mediterrean trade to Germany and the Balkans)
A highway is being built to connect Split with Sarajevo and also to Beograd.
Finally, with the growing amount of mountain combat that the Yugoslavian military has been in, the high command has seen it fit to establish a mountain Division to follow the example of the other European Alpine divisions. This unit should be finished training by November 1924.
Independent Macedonia
05-10-2005, 21:41
The victorious units return from Spain, and are all awarded the Yugoslav Medal for Bravery. The members of the units are allowed to retire or stay in(if they stay in they recieve promotions) and the ones that stayed in use their experiance to develope new urban warfare docterines and techniques.
Commander Julije Fritz is awarded the Order of the Yugoslav Flag (http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-photos13/3055a.jpg) and is promoted to the rank of General and given divisional command of the 11th Armored Cavalry Division.
Also the Navy begins training with their new ships trying to gain experiance with the ships. The Airforce does joint-training excersizes with both Army and Navy units, and trains at a technique called Dive-Bombing, and makes several modifications to their German and Russian made planes, installing dive breaks.
Independent Macedonia
06-10-2005, 21:49
Today the Yugoslavian Defense Ministry decided to begin funding Kosta Sivčev and Ljubomir Ilić in their designing of flyable aircraft. The federation has set the guide lines as an all metal, single seat, monoplane fighter aircraft of indigenous design. Further details will be released once the fighter is ready for testing.
OOC: I am planning on having the IK-2 completed by 1930 at least. So, this is my aim IK-2 (http://users.net.yu/~dristic/IK%201%20za%20web.jpg)
EDIT: IK-2 will be ready for production by 1927
Independent Macedonia
06-10-2005, 22:19
Telegram to Washington D.C.
"Yugoslavia must condemn the actions of the USA, and though the US has only been a kind neighbor across the pond, it has gone too far now. Yugoslavia hereby declares it's support of Russia, and should the USA not back down immediately a declaration of war will exist."
Meanwhile ten reserve divisions are called up, and the border with Italy and the coast are reinforced with units. The Air force(A wing of outdated Russian and German Bi-planes) is given the orders to fly patrols into the Adriatic Sea and fly cover for the Split naval fleet, which is under orders to stay in port until further orders.
The newly activated 1st Mountain Division is sent to the Italian border as well.
Independent Macedonia
12-10-2005, 13:15
New construction efforts have been started, and are planned to end in 3 years:
Construction of an aircraft plant in Sarajevo, creating more jobs and allowing for the construction of a few IK-2's a month once it is out of developement.
Construction of a rail-line from Sarajevo to Ljubljana to help goods and men travel more quickly. This will help both the civilians of Slovenia and the military units receive supplies on the Italian border
Further building at the civilian port and naval base in Split, this is to help increase trade and decrease the repair and maintenence time for the navy should it be needed
Reforms
Also, prices on domestic foodstuffs has increased to help out the farmers. This move was taken by parliament to keep all the farmers from joining the military for the money, and allow the farmers to hire workers to help tend to the fields. Also with having workers, children can go to school instead of work.
Independent Macedonia
13-10-2005, 22:52
The new, gray uniform has been issued to the last of the units in the Yugoslavian military. They are based off of similar German ones for simple recognition on the battlefield. Also of higher quality than the previous uniforms, giving better climate protection due to better equipment used in the creation of the uniforms.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/cadets.jpg
Independent Macedonia
05-11-2005, 01:18
The IK-2 has been completed:http://www.beuliland.com/graficos/aviones/profiles/varios3/ikarus%20Ik2.jpg
Specifications (Ikarus IK-2)
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General characteristics
* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 25 ft 10 in (7.90 m)
* Wingspan: 37 ft 5 in (11.43 m)
* Height: 12 ft 7 in (3.81 m)
* Wing area: 194 ft² (18.03 m²)
* Empty: 3,175 lb (1443 kg)
* Loaded: 4,255 lb (1934 kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs twelve cylinder Vee liquid-cooled engine, 860 shp (1,153 kW) each
Performance
* Speed:
Maximum: 435 km/h (279 mph; 234 kt) at 4000 meters (13,125 ft)
360 km/h (224 mph; 194.5 kt) at sea level
Cruising: 250 km/h (155 mph; 135 kt) at optimum altitude
* Range: 248 miles (399 km)
* Service ceiling: 34,450 ft (10,503 m)
* Rate of climb: ft/min (m/min)
* Wing loading: 22 lb/ft² (107 kg/m²)
* Power/mass: 0.20 hp/lb (0.60 kW/kg)
Armament
* 1× 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannon with 60 rounds
* 2× 7.92 mm Darne machine guns
It has gone into production with a few units being completed each month at the Ikarus factory(new Ikarus factory completed last year) near Sarajevo. Industrija aeroplanbkih Motora has taken the contract for the engines and will shorten the production time for each plane by several hours if not days. Also this opens up more jobs, helping the economy for now.
Enough planes to equip Yugoslavia's only air fleet should be done within 2 years.
Designs on the IK-3 have already started. Expected to be finished in developement by 1929-1930
Galveston Bay
05-11-2005, 01:36
The IK-2 has been completed:http://www.beuliland.com/graficos/aviones/profiles/varios3/ikarus%20Ik2.jpg
Specifications (Ikarus IK-2) 0
a pretty airplane too... one of the occasions where style and efficiency worked together
Independent Macedonia
09-11-2005, 06:33
Sarajevo Morning Star
May 11th 1926,
Prime Minister Ante Trumbic, after some 15 years of service to the Federated States of Jugoslavija has resigned. At the age of 61, and with his birth day 6 days away returned to his home in Zagreb, the reason is officially for retirement. But it has been known that for sometime the strictly moderate Trumbic, socialist Tito, and authoritarian Nedic had been engaged in heated discussion over the years about the future of the nation.
Trumbic has finally grown tired of battling his own people for what the future will hold it seems and has gone into retirement. Tomorrow an emergency session of parliament will be held to decide a new interim Prime-Minister until a vote can be held in three months time. The three men up for appointment are, Josip Tito, Milan Nedic, and Dragan Petrovic. It seems like the future of this very nation will be decided depending on which man is choosen, one socialist, one conservative, and one moderate. Three fates for our nation, and one will be choosen tomorrow, the Morning Star will be the first to know tomorrow so please read tomorrow.
May 12th
Josip Broz Tito, in a triumphant turn of events, was named as Trumbic's replacement. Despite the majority of Parliament being moderate and slightly right leaning there was a unanimous decision for Tito to be leader. This is very strange as Milan Nedic(a right leaning leader himself) was on the ballad for parliaments decision. Rumors are going around of men with rifles seen walking out of the parliament building immediatly after the vote was taken. The Ministry of Defence's spokes men says they were merely there for security.
Tito in a very dramatic fashion stated,
"Our great nation has gone through many years of being oppressed by the capitalist monsters to the west. Four wars have been fought against the facist now, and yet our government has closed it's eyes to what has been going on and kept a open door policy to the enemy as we know them. Our economy has been in shambles, our country occupied time and time again, and yet the Slavic spirit has allowed us to bounce back stronger than before. And it is this Slavic spirit which has given me the inspiration to lead us to our goal of a socialist state, where every man, and women should be in control of their future, not being kept down by their economic status or social birth!"
"I dare to bring about a new country for our children to grow up in, one without oppression or hunger, without fear or regret. This is the birth of a new nation and a new people. This is what we were meant to be when Jugoslavija was first concieved, but that was corrupted by the western influence that permeated our nation after the First Great War! And so i present to you, the people, our new state, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
During the speech Milan Nedic with a force of some twenty reservist fresh from the war stormed in and shouting, "Tito is not the rightful leader of this nation! Tito has strong armed the parliament into voting him in!" Tito pulled out his Nagant pistol and shot Nedic, wounding him in the leg, calling him quote, "Nedic is a traitor to the federation do not listen to him!". The reservist got off three shots, hitting Tito once in the arm before the Volci special detachment which happened to be there gunned down the twenty men with machine pistols.
Nedic has been imprisoned in Beograd, and awaits trial, Tito has been entered into the government hospital for his bullet wound. The people have rallied and rejoiced in the streets at the hero of the Second Great War(as Tito is now known) defeating his last enemy before liberating them. Tito remains popular with the people after his rousing speech, attempts at peace some months ago, and his constant fighting on the front with his old Infantry division. Now with yet another victory, as the traitor Nedic tried to kill him, Tito is solidly in our hearts and minds. We look to the future with great anticipation.
In unrelated news(or so the newspaper says): Over 2/3rds of the parliament has resigned after the parliament's name was changed to the People's Council and Tito's speech.
Vas Pokhoronim
09-11-2005, 07:05
To Prime Minister Tito, Yugoslavia
Congratulations on your elevation. I trust you will lead your country in peace as well as you have served it in war.
Premier Kuusinen, USDR
Gintonpar
09-11-2005, 18:09
Brazil pays her respects both to the outgoing leader and the Senor Tito.
Independent Macedonia
10-11-2005, 01:25
May 28th
Today Milan Nedic, while awaiting trial, commited suicide in his Beograd prison will the guards were not looking. He broke out of the window and fell to his death rather than face the crimes of treason he was being convicted of. Our choosen leader Tito was said to have been stunned by the news, but refused to comment further.
In related news the military has reorganized it's generals to make up for the loss of Nedic. It is hoped that the plot only goes as deep as Nedic, only time will tell.
Independent Macedonia
10-11-2005, 01:36
OOC: edited front page, added a heck of a lot of ministers, companies and officers and their military units.
Independent Macedonia
19-11-2005, 19:02
Several new changes in Yugoslavian policy have gone into effect
1) Change from the former Federated States flag to the new Socialist Federation flag.
2) Trade opened with Algeria
3) Education reforms are going to be in place for over a decade to bring the education system up to the highest standards
4) Further Economic improvement
Tito has said that these are the will of the people, and after much time thinking about them has allowed them to be made.
Independent Macedonia
21-11-2005, 03:42
Changes from 1926 to 1932:
!926
-Peace signed, forces pull back to prewar borders except for Pola.
-Josip Broz Tito takes control of the government after Prime Minister Ante Trumbic retires. Opposition leader Milan Nedic leads assassination attempt on Tito, fails, commits suicide later that month.
-Military downsized, several divisions are returned to reserve status, and several being disbanded.
-members of disbanded divisions, that want work, are sent to France to help rebuild.
-Education, Economic, and Minority right reforms go into effect
1927
-Trade with Algeria opened up
-Diplomatic ties with Vietnam strengthened
1928
-Only notable activity is further Education/economic reforms(goes on from 1926 to 1936)
1929
-Yugoslav Airforce created
-Ikarus IK-2 becomes first fighter used by the JAF
1930
-New flag selected
1931
-Further reforms
1932
-Fortification projects begun on Italian border, called the Rupnik line after General Rupnik who is in charge of it's construction
-Merchant marine started up to trade with Algeria, MEU, and Vietnam more efficiently
Independent Macedonia
24-11-2005, 22:25
September 12th 1932
With more and more of it's neighbors disarming, or becoming more peaceful, the Socialist Federation of Yugoslavia has decided to deactivate 2 of it's reserve infantry corps. These soldiers have been forewarned and given pay for the rest of year, hoping to advert a dramatic increase in unemployment. The Sarajevo defense corps and Skopje defense corps are the ones that are slated for deactivation. The 11th, 12th, and 13th Mechanized corps(2nd mech corps) have transferd to Sarajevo to take the place of the reservists, and Skopje is within a few miles of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Mountain Divisions so no further action was taken there.
With more spending freed up, education reforms, as well as constant modernization of the remaining parts of the military can continue.
Also, in related news, 2 destroyers of the navy are slated for scrap in 1936, 2 more in 1937 and the last, along with the only light cruiser in 1938
Independent Macedonia
30-11-2005, 06:39
http://www.yumodel.co.yu/history_of_yugoslav_aviation/slike/ik-3l.JPG
Rogožarski today completed it's first test flight of the IK-3 for the military, it is expected to take two more years of fine tuning before it enters service in 1936. This one fighter gives performance comparable and in some cases superior to the fighters of Yugoslavia's neighbors. Though it is still a prototype, it is showing much promise and the JAF is already very excited about their upcoming fighter.
General characteristics
* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 27 ft 5 in (8.38 m)
* Wingspan: 33 ft 10 in (10.33 m)
* Height: 10 ft 8 in (3.23 m)
* Wing area: 179 ft² (16.6 m²)
* Empty: 4,123 lb (1874 kg)
* Loaded: 5,291 lb (2405 kg)
* Maximum takeoff: lb (kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Avia-built Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs twelve cylinder Vee liquid-cooled engine, 920 shp (686 kW) each
Performance
* Maximum speed: 327 mph at 17,715 ft (526 km/h at 5401 m)
* Range: 310 miles (3,508 km)
* Service ceiling: 26,250 ft (8,003 m)
* Rate of climb: ft/min (m/min)
* Wing loading: 29 lb/ft² (113 kg/m²)
* Power/mass: 0.17 hp/lb (0.29 kW/kg)
Armament
* 1× 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannon
* 2× 7.92 mm FN-Browning machine guns
Vas Pokhoronim
01-12-2005, 14:29
Foreign Aid in 1933 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10018066&postcount=307).
Independent Macedonia
02-12-2005, 01:04
11th of August 1933
Tito gave a speech today about the unity of the Federation, and had this to say,
"Mi smo more krvi prolili za bratstvo i jedinstvo naših naroda i neèemo nikome dozvoliti da nam dira ili da nam ruje iznutra, da se ruši to bratstvo i jedinstvo."
"We have spilt an ocean of blood for fraternity and unity of our nations - and we shall not allow anyone to touch this or destroy it from inside, to break this fraternity and unity..."
After his speech he awarded Lt. General Arsa Jovanovic the Order of the Yugoslav Flag (http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-photos13/3055a.jpg) and received a parade from Jovanovic's unit. The medal was awarded for Jovanovic's on going support of the workers and his stellar career in the Second Great War. We got an exclusive picture of Jovanovic and Tito talking afterwards.picture (http://www.titoville.com/images/Josip%20Broz%20Tito%20and%20Arsa%20Yovanovitch_jpg.jpg)
Independent Macedonia
05-12-2005, 05:54
To bring about greater ties between the MEU and Jugoslavija militaries, the 1st and 2nd Mechanized korps and being sent to do wargames with the MEU military. General Julije Fritz was quoted as saying,
"The desert is one of the few places that we haven't trained to operate, though our vehicles can be fitted with sand filters and other gear to make them operate better in the desert, they are only as good as their crew, and so we must have our crews able to operate at their best in all conditions! We are glad to have such good relations with the MEU as to be able to train with them."
Also, this is the first time many of the troops have been outside of Yugoslavia, and for those that weren't in the 2nd Great war, this is their first taste of warfare(or at least something close) outside of Yugoslavia. The members of the Jugoslavija training corp are finding that the desert is perfect terrain for tank combat, but not for tank maintence, hopefully with further time spent in the desert with their MEU comrades, they will reach optimum levels of proficiency.
Independent Macedonia
12-12-2005, 06:54
OOC:Cross-posted from china war thread
IC:Tito has declared his support to the Union in this war, but does not see reason to declare war, and get into all the politics and problems that go with that. As such the 1st and 2nd Mechanized Corps(soon to be 1st Mech and 2nd Armored) will be sent as the Jugoslavija-Soviet Experditionary Army or the J-SEA for short.
The 1st Mech corp (currently in the MEU) will come under Soviet control immediately, to be returned at the request of the Federation's request or end of hostilities.
The 2nd Mech Corps (currently in Kashgar) will come under Soviet control starting in 1936 as the 1st Armored Corps, as it completes upgrades and peacekeeping in Kashgar.
Also the 1st Fighter Air Fleet will be sent to help the Russians, along with it's pilots in the newly recieved IK-3's.
Independent Macedonia
15-12-2005, 15:26
With peace between the Union and Japan made, the J-Sea is returning to Yugoslavia to complete upgrades to armored corps, then they will return to the MEU for training.
EDIT: Training canceled.
Independent Macedonia
26-12-2005, 15:07
OOC: I will be out of town for about 6 days, just letting the E20 crowd know.
Independent Macedonia
28-12-2005, 03:01
With growing problems abroad, Tito authorizes the deployment of the 2nd Air Fleet, as well as the 1st and 2nd Armored Corps to the Yugoslav southern border with Albania, Greece, and Bulgaria. Also the 1st Volci Brigade is moved into the area under covert means. The Yugoslav Army Headquarters has moved it's base from Sarajevo to Skopje as well.
With desert training already completed, the 1st and 2nd Armored Corps are itching to return to the MEU to help their friends in their fight for their nation. With the 1st and 2nd Airfleets, 1st and 2nd Armored Corps, Volci elements, as well as the 1st Alpine Corps ready to be called up, Yugoslavia is ready to join it's friend as soon as the go ahead is made politically(OOC: Basically USA stop meddling in our affairs)
OOC: Still away, so lets avoid world war for awhile alright guys?
Galveston Bay
28-12-2005, 03:06
ooc
sorry, not about to let the Pact gain control of the worlds oil supplies without a fight. Greece by the way will protest the Yugoslav deployment and move its own forces to the border.
Independent Macedonia
28-12-2005, 03:16
Nincic sends a letter to assure them that no operations against the Hellenistic government, but their military is more than entitled to guard their border as the Slavs would feel they should if a Greek force moved to the border. No hostilities are meant, nor will the Jugoslavija government demand they back down, we are merely preparing for operations to assist our friends.
OOC: Don't worry about it GB, you got plenty of oil...for awhile, and all we have in Baku right now, and maybe some over by Vladivostok. I am more interested in other matters right now....oil is a concern though.
Independent Macedonia
06-01-2006, 01:28
The national Football team, the "Scorpi" was formed today and begins their season against Switzerland, then onto, Rumania, Greece, Germany, and Czechoslovakia, finishing in Bulgaria. Great pride is held in the team as they compete.
In other news, Momillo Nincic has sent a plea to Albanian leadership demanding an end to the prosecution of socialists in their nation. Numerous reports and rumors have been coming out of the nation as case after case has seen dead pro-socialists found in the country side. Tito has stated that Yugoslavia will not stand for this, and stated, "We will stand with our brothers for the good of their nation. One way or another, Albania will be liberated from the crime against humanity taking place now in the country side.
Independent Macedonia
08-01-2006, 01:22
December 24th 1938 Burning Christmas Eve
Catholics in Slovenia and Croatia, as well as Orthodox in Serbia, Montenegro, and Macedonia have started demonstrating against the violence of the rebels in the nearby MEU. The bishop of Sarajevo was quoted as saying,
"These are dark times, we see our brothers being tortured and killed, for what reason? These evil doers have wronged christian men, there must be some kind of justice, and i pray it is swift."
Riots have broken out in Serbia, as Christians there have blamed the Albanian Muslims for the events. Several murders, cases of vandalism, and assault have been reported.
In Secret
Bosnian Muslims are taken from all the active and reserve units, and given the chance with increased pay to form a unit to covertly insert into MEU and act as a covert expeditionary corp. They will leave in March after extensive training and organization, and will arrive in groups via normal shipping.
Independent Macedonia
08-01-2006, 04:35
December 29th 1938
A day after the events on the 28th all hell breaks out. A demonstration in Sarajevo over the death of the Russian pilot is interrupted as another demonstration over the death of the 28,000 Muslims cross the same intersection. Three minutes of yelling is followed by a 3,000 person brawl resulting in three fatalities and 500 wounded. The Sarajevo police is overwhelmed in reports to the point that they have to call the fire department to shoot the rioters with jets of water. Fifteen more people are injured as a result of this.
The Chief of Security, Borivoje Josimovic, has made a statement that by the end of 1940 the civilian police force of Sarajevo will be strengthened by a new arm of the government called the Capital Defense Force, and he plans on expanding it to have a detachment in each of the republics capitals to prevent events that transpired today from reappearing down the line in Yugoslavian history.
http://www.yumodel.co.yu/history_of_yugoslav_aviation/slike/ik-3l.JPG
Rogožarski today completed it's first test flight of the IK-3 for the military, it is expected to take two more years of fine tuning before it enters service in 1936. This one fighter gives performance comparable and in some cases superior to the fighters of Yugoslavia's neighbors. Though it is still a prototype, it is showing much promise and the JAF is already very excited about their upcoming fighter.
General characteristics
* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 27 ft 5 in (8.38 m)
* Wingspan: 33 ft 10 in (10.33 m)
* Height: 10 ft 8 in (3.23 m)
* Wing area: 179 ft² (16.6 m²)
* Empty: 4,123 lb (1874 kg)
* Loaded: 5,291 lb (2405 kg)
* Maximum takeoff: lb (kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Avia-built Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs twelve cylinder Vee liquid-cooled engine, 920 shp (686 kW) each
Performance
* Maximum speed: 327 mph at 17,715 ft (526 km/h at 5401 m)
* Range: 310 miles (3,508 km)
* Service ceiling: 26,250 ft (8,003 m)
* Rate of climb: ft/min (m/min)
* Wing loading: 29 lb/ft² (113 kg/m²)
* Power/mass: 0.17 hp/lb (0.29 kW/kg)
Armament
* 1× 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 cannon
* 2× 7.92 mm FN-Browning machine guns
China would like to make inquiries into how many IK-3's could be sold, as China may want to upgrade its five units of DW 520's to the IK-3's, and possibly purchase several more.
Let me know. :)
China would like to make inquiries into how many IK-3's could be sold, as China may want to upgrade its five units of DW 520's to the IK-3's, and possibly purchase several more.
Let me know. :)
Secret IC:
Japan asks that Yugoslavia does not sell weapons, especially the above mentioned aircraft, to China and that Japan may consider purchasing some of the aircraft itself.
Secret IC:
Japan asks that Yugoslavia does not sell weapons, especially the above mentioned aircraft, to China and that Japan may consider purchasing some of the aircraft itself.
OOC:
Japan can do that, but the Pact has no IC knowledge of China's secret overtures to Britain and the USA, so for all intents and purposes, most members of the Pact still view China as friendly (except the Union probably).
Vas Pokhoronim
08-01-2006, 20:06
Uh, actually, the Pact governments have their own opinions about the situation in Asia, which are largely unaffected by Chinese attempts to secure Anglo-American patronage.
Independent Macedonia
08-01-2006, 22:22
Armaments Minister Ladislov Polic would like to inform the Chinese Government that we do not have the number of aircraft to complete it's request and as such must deny it. We are able to sell 500 aircraft only.
Secret Telegram to the Government of Nippon:
We would be more than happy to sell the aircraft to your nation. We are merely trying to get rid of them in order to make room for replacements in our budget so the price is half of what it usually would be. We would be willing to give the license to Nippon for no fee.
Armaments Minister Ladislov Polic would like to inform the Chinese Government that we do not have the number of aircraft to complete it's request and as such must deny it. We are able to sell 500 aircraft only.
Secret Telegram to the Government of Nippon:
We would be more than happy to sell the aircraft to your nation. We are merely trying to get rid of them in order to make room for replacements in our budget so the price is half of what it usually would be. We would be willing to give the license to Nippon for no fee.
China thereby purchases the 500 aircraft for 1 point as 500 aircraft is better than none.
Independent Macedonia
08-01-2006, 23:27
Josep Broz Tito, today, has gone in front of the representatives of the Republics stating,
"I come before you today to formally make clear the intentions of Sarajevo to launch an expedition to the 7th continent of the world, Antarctica. Our people have never backed down from anything, in war time, in the debate room, or in the poll place. And so i state that we will not back down in the face of the unknown."
After more inspiration speaking the specifics are laid out.
One Icebreak, one science ship, and two smaller vessels will make the voyage to Queen Maud Land in Antarctica, and set up a scientific outpost on the zero degrees longitude line. It will be called New Ohrid Station, and comprise living quarters, mess hall, scientific radio station, telescope housing, and a small hospital. Yugoslavia will lay claim to the area of Queen Maud Land as such. The science team will comprise 23 persons, including 2 cooks, a cartographer, an astronomer, a zoologist, four officers of the Yugoslav military, radio operator, and several other military personel.
Once construction on the vessels is complete in May, the voyage will commince.
Independent Macedonia
08-01-2006, 23:34
China thereby purchases the 500 aircraft for 1 point as 500 aircraft is better than none.
We will get back to you on that, as politics may intervene, hope for the best.
Galveston Bay
08-01-2006, 23:34
Josep Broz Tito, today, has gone in front of the representatives of the Republics stating,
"I come before you today to formally make clear the intentions of Sarajevo to launch an expedition to the 7th continent of the world, Antarctica. Our people have never backed down from anything, in war time, in the debate room, or in the poll place. And so i state that we will not back down in the face of the unknown."
After more inspiration speaking the specifics are laid out.
One Icebreak, one science ship, and two smaller vessels will make the voyage to Queen Maud Land in Antarctica, and set up a scientific outpost on the zero degrees longitude line. It will be called New Ohrid Station, and comprise living quarters, mess hall, scientific radio station, telescope housing, and a small hospital. Yugoslavia will lay claim to the area of Queen Maud Land as such. The science team will comprise 23 persons, including 2 cooks, a cartographer, an astronomer, a zoologist, four officers of the Yugoslav military, radio operator, and several other military personel.
Once construction on the vessels is complete in May, the voyage will commince.
ooc
technically summer at the South Pole is December through Feb
Independent Macedonia
08-01-2006, 23:37
OOC: i was afraid that leaving in summer here might may me arrive there in winter, but since your new information arrives, it works out for the best :) we will just have to take things slow, maybe stopping in the French colonies to allow for stretching of the legs and allow optimum arrival conditions.
Vas Pokhoronim
09-01-2006, 02:12
The Antarctic Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10230000#post10230000).
OoC: You know I only proposed it to protect you. You know that, right?
Independent Macedonia
09-01-2006, 02:22
OOC: lol i have already posted my questions, i doubt i would have needed saving, i am less threatening than Norway, who claims the entire Continents heh.
Independent Macedonia
11-01-2006, 04:54
The ZMAJ and Ikarus aircraft plants have begun joint production on the JU-187 design adopted from the Junkers Cooperation in adherance to the Warsaw Pact mutual technology agreement. OOC: Picture can be found on first page, third post.
It is planned to replace the JU-87's of the 2nd Airfleet. This new design is greater or equal to the JU-87 in all ways.
Type: Ju-187 A-1
Engine: 2,100-hp BMW 801D-2 radial piston engine
Wingspan: 14.00m
Length: 12.00m
Height: 3.57m
Wing Area: 30.00m2
Empty Weight: 3600kg
Max. Weight: 5720kg
Max. Speed: 280 m/h
Dive Speed: 385 m/h
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Ceiling: 9430m
Climb Rate: 3000m in 10min
Range: 1000km
Fixed Armament: 2 wing-mounted 20 mm Mauser MG151 cannon
Rear Armament: 2 remote turret-mounted 13 mm MG131 cannon
Bombload: 1600kg
The bomber has the wierd characteristic of having a rotatable tail, so as to allow the gunner the best possible shots. This is shown to have little impact on the flight characteristics of the JU-187, and it can even fly with it inverted the whole flight if choosen.
Independent Macedonia
12-01-2006, 02:53
Tito has called upon the nation to double it's efforts in response to the riots, fighting in the MEU, and the hint of LTA action. Also a mobilization has gone into effect, and all reservists are to report to their respective units for increased training.
Troop deployments consist of the following:
1st Alpine Corps-General Leon Rupnik-Italian border, inside fortifications
1st Infantry Corps-Mj. General Kukavicic- Split
1st Armored Corps-Lt. General Julije Fritz-Skopje
2nd Armored Corps-Lt. General Arsa Jovanovic-Dubrovnik
1st Army Command-Field Marshal Cincar-Mackovic-Split
Airforce Deployments:
1st Air Fleet-500 Fighters[FW-190D](Air Marshal Petrovic)-Located in Dubrovnik 500xpilots
2nd Air Fleet-500 Bombers[JU-187](Ivan Ribar)-Located in Dubrovnik
500xpilots
Naval Deployments:
Admiral Kosovic
10x Type IXD submarines-stationed at Split Naval base, operating in specified patrol areas
1x Light Cruiser-Stationed at Split Naval base, Operating in escort of shipping
Independent Macedonia
17-01-2006, 23:49
Stories from the front, Issue 1
Aboard the freighter Восточный Ветер May 29th 1939
Captain Basta looked at the charts one more time, fourteen kilometers off the Greek coast, out of range of Slavic air cover, and the Greeks hadn't been out all week. Things were not looking good for the Merchant Marines, the Yugoslav navy was too weak to cover all the ships against anything stronger than a single destroyer, and the Greeks weren't looking past their own shore for the enemy. Basta had made sure to at least get some ammo for the two 20mm Oerlikon L / 70 guns on board, so the ship had a bark, but not much of a bite.
Drapsin looked over doubtfully, "Sir, no word from the Greeks still, and there have been six SOS calls in the area in the past two days, i would advise we turn around, sir." Basta shot him a look that would freeze a boiling kettle, "I would advise you keep your trap shut unless it has something worth saying, or i will have you in the lookout in the next squall." He hissed. Drapsin spun back to his station, wishing he hadn't said anything now.
Fourteen hours later, 12 kilometers off the southern coast of Greece.
Drapsin spun around, "Sir! I am getting non-Pact radio traffic coming in, short range stuff, back and forth communications, perhaps LTA fighters, or could just be another Greek fishing group." Basta looked over and saw Drapsin's face and knew he was for real. He walked out of the bridge onto the catwalk outside. "See anything up front?" The lookout glanced down at Basta, "No sir, pretty cloudy though, so visibility is down to about four miles." Basta muttered something under his breath and went back inside. He plunked down in his chair, head in hands. Basta looked to the sea, stroking his beard. "Call the ship to alert Drap." Drapsin pressed the alarm without pause.
Meanwhile at an altitude of 1,000 meters
"Boyle, poke your head under these clouds and get a view for what is down there okay?" The third Corsair in the wedge formation did a role and disappeared under the whisp of clouds.
Aboard the Восточный Ветер
"Sir! Plane , Starboard side!" Basta bolted for the door, "Get to your stations! Man the guns, if it isn't Pact communications, that only leaves the pompus swine! Open fire as soon as you get a bead on them!"
The sea lit up as the two guns on the Восточный Ветер spat lead out towards the single plane, a few seconds later three more angry birds of prey revealed themselves. "Shit, drive those bastards off!" The Corsairs opened up with their .50 caliber machine guns, putting holes in the wood work of the deck, but not doing much else. A bomb detached from the undercarriage of one and streaked merely 10 feet over the ship, throwing a huge cascade of water in the air as it exploded near by. A 20mm shell from the Восточный Ветер dug into the elevator on the last Corsair as it passed over, preventing it from pulling up in it's dive in time.
A cheer rose from the crew as the Corsair split apart and flipped end over end in the water. More fire arched up towards the remaining three fighters. The lead one came in a steep dive, guns a blazing, a 20mm shell caught it in the wing, leaking some fuel, but it quickly sealed back up. Three seconds later another bomb detached from the fighter. It hit the deck hard, went straight through, and exploded within the hold. The fuel, construction explosives, and other flammables instantly went up, throwing a fireball 50 meters into the sky, with which the Восточный Ветер and the lead corsair disappeared.
The Corsair shot out the other side of the flames, gaining altitude, the canopy opened revealing a burnt man behind the blackened glass. He stood to jump out, but never made it. The planes fuel tanks exploded under the huge amount of heat, causing another artificial sun in the sky. Seventy men dead in less than thirty seconds.