NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC
This is for the nations involved in the 1900-2000 Alternate history thread only. If interested go to the main thread which is here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002&page=1&highlight=Galveston

The treaty is attempting to end an alternate First World War (called the Great War so far) which can be found here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438703&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Galveston

The Setting
Arlington Lee Plantation house, recently renovated and surrounded by the Arlington National Cemetary (Roosevelt wants everyone to remember the price of war), while delegations stay across the Potomic River in their Embassies or Legations in Washington DC. Before the Civil War, this plantation house belonged to Robert E. Lee, the famous Southern General.

Invited are the following:
Coalition States: Russia, Germany, Bulgaria, Rumania, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, and the Ottoman Empire

League States: France, Spain, Italy and the Austrian Hungarian Empire

Interested Parties: United States of America (hosting), Great Britain,

invited at guests: Australia, Canada, Colombia, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Japan, China,

The US government has no idea that the Arab Liberation Army or Zionist World Congress even exist, although it probably won't notice them if they show up as part of someones delegation. They are not officially invited.

The Peace Conference officially begins on November 11, 1907 which is also set as the official date that all hostilities are to cease around the world between League and Coalition nations.

President Roosevelt is present to greet all of the delegates as they arrive. Security is provided by the US Army's 3rd Infantry Regiment and US Marine Corps 7th Regiment, along with a detachment of the US 7th Cavalry (of Custer fame) and 9th Cavalry (colored), an African American cavalry regiment of considerable reputation.

Also invited to the conference are representatives of the International Red Cross and selected members of the world press.

The Ottoman Government send Grand Vizier Kibrisli Mehmed Kamil Pasha, General Ahmed Djemal Pasha and the Prime Minister Faisal ibn Husayn, son of the Sharif of Mecca. The representatives from the Ottoman Empire were two Turks and Arab. The first Prime Minister of the Ottoman Empire was a Arab, to show the world that Ottomans were not pan Turkish government, they were really a Pan Islamic Government.

Colombia will attend as a guest.

Tomaso Tittoni, Minister of Foreign Affairs, is being sent by Italy to this conference. Before even starting negotiations, Tittoni declares that this treaty will "define the new century either as a century of immense violence and chaos or a century of peace and brotherhood. It is up to us diplomats, representing all the nations in this dreadful conflict, to decide what we prefer. I hope we choose the latter option."

At home, the FAR declares that all Italians who attend the peace conference are traitors and must be treated as such. This angers many Italians, who begin to see the radical fasci not as extremely devoted patriots but as an extremely radical and dangerous faction. The fasci face a massive negative public reaction, lead by socialists. (Russia, check your telegrams.)

China will send Dong Xi, its new Minister of International Relations. China is interested in the peace conference.

ooc
I forgot, South Africa was invited as well, other nations are welcome to send observers but do not take part of the negotiations

IC
To ensure an impression was made, the brand new battleship, the USS South Carolina, the first US all big gun battleship, was brought from Philadelphia to the Washington Naval Yard to complete its final fitting out. It would remain for several weeks during the conference before going to Chesapeake Bay for trials.

The Union of South Africa will be represented by General Jan Christiaan Smuts, the Union's Minister of Defense.

In a speech in Cape Town prior to his departure for Washington, Smuts declared that, "Though South Africa itself was neutral during the Great War, thousands of South Africans took up arms against the League. It is true these men were hired by the Coalition Powers, but the war against Austria resonated a chord deep inside all South Africans. I hope that this conference, and the subsequent treaty, will make it nigh impossible for any nation-state to forcefully subjugate another. The delegates meeting in Washington will have a chance to do either great good or great evil, to create a future of peace and freedom or a future or war and slavery; pray they choose correctly."

After meeting with the representatives from Italy, the Ottoman Representatives have reach a agreement

Here is what the Ottomans and Italians work out

Italo-Ottoman agreement

1. The Ottoman Governmetn created this region know as Transjordan, a Commonweath of the Ottoman Empire, meaning its only part of the empire in name only.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Ottoman01/jo-map.gif, here is map of transjordan, that has been agree by the Italians and Ottomans)
2. The Ottomans will set up DMZ in Southern Lebanon.
3. All Ottoman POWs will be sent back home.
4. Crete will be hand back to Ottoman rule.
5. Ottomans will be pay 40 million in British Pounds.
6. Both sides may not station troops in Transjordan.
7. Jersusalem is a free city, will not be under Jewish nor Arab rule, but under regional rule of the League and Ottoman goverments.

OOC: This is New Dornalia.

IC:

Korea will send Prince Sanjong as an observer to the conference.

Italy confirms the deal with the Ottoman Empire, and shall begin negotiations with France and all concerned parties (read: Jews and Arabs) about this territory.

Macedonia sends Dragan Petrovic, Minister of Foreign Affairs to the meeting. Though mostly only to observe and make suggestions to the Russians, as no one would listen to Macedonian demands coming from a Macedonian. The war had actually improved the Macedonian military, so their wasn't too much of a grudge between Macedonia and any nation except Austria, who failed to see the Slavs as people, and who had insulted the Prime minister.

Dragan Petrovic was very impressed by the American Battleship he saw as he toured Washington, this was the first time he had seen an all big gun battleship, and showed him, being the Minister of Foreign Affairs that America had just as much power as any European power, and should not be angered.

Ministro de Asuntos Exteriores Juan Gonzalez Tomargo de Salazar of Spain entered the Lee Plantation and took a seat next to the Italian delegate. he awaited the beginning of the conference as he had an interesting deal for the Austrians...

ooc: ive cerated a map for the division of all austrian territories providing for almost only the states of austria and hungary and i think a little bit of bohemia and a small state to remain as the Autro-Hungarian Empire. It will also create Croatia(croatia and slovakia), Bosnia Herzigovina, and Serbia Montenegro. Germany, Italy, Russia, and Rumania all gain land from the former empire...

Germany sends a group of half a dozen diplomats and others, lead by Crown Prince Wilhelm and now Colonel Reichmann.

Germany's Demands are as such:

1. Map (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1900.htm#%20here) The previously Austrian lands under the Reichstat (Austrian parts not under Crown of Hungary) excluding Bohemia, Moravia and Galacia, which are to be put under Czech/Slovak rule, be placed under control of the Hohenzollern Crown.

2. The Naval base in Syracuse, Italy be returned to the rightful owners, namely Germany, according to treaty.

3. The land of Lorraine and Saar be joined and created to act as a buffer state between France and Germany so that there be no border between the two powers. This new Lorraine/Saar be totally neutral and no tarrifs be had against either Germany or France so that free trade may exist along the border. Also, a non-agression pact be created with Lorraine/Saar and France and Germany so that war between the two countries may never happen.

4. That the African lands of Cameroons and Togoland be returned to Germany.

5. That the demands of the Ottoman Empire be agreed to.

6. That a place, other than Palestine, be set aside for the rather active Zionists. Germany suggests someplace in South America or perhaps Madagascar.

OOC: I will try to draw up a proposed line for the new Saar/Lorraine. Someone also needs to think of a better name for a Franco-German buffer state.

Also, why would Italy get a part of Austria Hungary? I think that's absurd.

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Proposed Borders!

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Original!

Arlington, Virginia - 19 November 1907

Grand Duke Vladimir Aleksandrovich Romanov hated to be late. All the more so when the cause was a sickening series of squalls in the North Atlantic that had left him still incapable of holding down anything more than thin soup. He hated soup. Moreover, he hated what he found waiting for him upon his arrival at Arlington. The Italians seemed reasonable enough, and the French had not yet spoken, but as sure as Hell’s fires he did not have the patience for this Spanish nonsense.

He said as much.

"I was under the impression that I had come to negotiate a peace. To my dismay I find the representatives of the League preparing a recipe for further bloodshed.

"The League has no authority in the disposition of former Habsburg lands. On several occasions, beginning with the commencement of the War itself, Sankt-Peterburg offered Wien the possibility for a peaceful resolution to our disputes. Has it so easily been forgotten that War could have been averted entirely if only Austria-Hungary had sought a diplomatic resolution to her crisis with Montenegro, an effort that Russia would have supported with all her power and authority? Time and again, Wien rejected our entreaties. Compelled by the justice of our cause to fight for the principles which we hold dear, Austria-Hungary continued to resist any and all reasonable proposals for peace until the conquest of the empire was complete.

"It is an intolerable insult to our dead, and to our cause, to find any restoration of the enemy’s power being contemplated.

"Having been bound already by the apparently limitless arrogance of Franz Ferdinand von Habsburg to become the instruments by which he brought about the destruction of his own empire, we feel that Herr Habsburg’s incapacity to bear the burdens of government is therefore demonstrable and evident, and we have no intention of restoring him to any position of responsibility whatsoever. His consistent arrogance and disregard for the lives of those in his care would implicate us in his crimes were we to do so, and I may assure this assembly that Russian honor and integrity will not permit that to happen.

"The other Fronts of the War are matters for other Powers to decide. It is our belief that the Turks and Germans both are far too generous in their concessions to the Latin aggressors, but we will support their positions in the name of peace.

"But do not think we will desert our brothers. And do not think that Russian arms are too exhausted to continue the pursuit of justice."

The Tsar

It is finally reported to the Russian and world press that the Emperor was "heroically" wounded (there are no other surviving witnesses, and the Tsar isn't really saying anything coherent yet, so why not?) during the siege of Budapest, and is convalescing in Berlin.

Provisional Civil Governments and Transfers of Sovereignty

Governing councils will be formed in Czechoslovakia (Bohemia absent the Sudetenland, and Moravia) and Yugoslavia (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, and Macedonia) consisting of local politicians who are willing to pledge their loyalty to independent government. Galicia is divided between Poland and Ukraine, in accordance with the Basic Law of the All-Russian Empire and Commonwealth. Transylvania will be formally handed over to Romanian sovereignty, while sovereignty in Austria and the Sudetenland will pass to the Crown of Prussia. The only officially "occupied" territory therefore remains Hungary (modern borders), and if local politicians there approach the Russian military government peacefully requesting independence, the Magyars will receive the same treatment and status as Czechslovakia and Yugoslavia.

The Provisional Governments of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia will be empowered to write their own constitutions and to handle matters pertaining to their own internal security (see below).

General Amnesty

All Austro-Hungarian Prisoners-of-War who are willing to pledge loyalty to the new governments of their native lands will be released on parole. Those who refuse to take a Loyalty Oath will still be released, but to join the refugees entering Italy.

Troop Dispositions

Troop rotations home are suspended. Though the effects on morale will not be good, nevertheless Russian armies are recently victorious, and if they’re told the truth (i.e., that the League wants to undo all their hard work) they’ll probably for the most part be just as outraged at the League as the Russian leadership. The cavalry will continue to be shipped to the Ottoman Empire, as will most of the artillery. Some of the latter will be held back, however, as the harbors and mountain passes of Macedonia, Montenegro, Dalmatia, and Slovenia will be heavily fortified in case of an anticipated League attack.

The Provisional Governments of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, as well as Polish and Ukrainian Galicia, will be given full authority to raise and train their own militia and police forces, and the occupying forces here will be withdrawn to other fronts quickly (see below).

Those Armies thus freed from garrison duties will be dispatched, in order of priority (and experience), first to the Ottoman Front, then to the fortified positions in the Balkans, and finally to the German Front. Russian engineers will continue to enter Ottoman territory to help with fortifications, and also to improve the conditions of the road and railway systems.

Internal Imperial Reforms

Lithuanian conscript-laborers are beginning to be freed to Australian custody, and the mining and railway concerns on which they worked, in a gesture to placate the Labor movement, are being leased by the government to profit-sharing co-operatives. It is believed that these enterprises will be far more efficient than the slave-labor system previously employed, and the start-up capital for them has already been provided by the State, while land reform and returning veterans will make up for any labor shortages.

On the other hand, regulations will be loosened and tax-breaks provided to encourage more rapid development of heavy industry, particularly steel production and (surprise, surprise) munitions manufacturing.

Further reforms are discussed, but tabled until after the Imperial Commonwealth Elections in January.

Britain will send a delegation led by Sir Edward Grey, the foreign minister.

British aims will be:

1- Ensure that the division of the middle east remains fair and gives choice to the Ottoman Empire over what occurs.

2 - Israel and the Holy Lands to be declared neutral entities and to be ruled over by no nation, instead maybe an international coalition can exist to oversee affairs there.

3 - British trade to continue with all nations.

4 - Steps to be taken to ensure that no "European Super State" is to come into being

5 - Any British impounded ships or goods to be returned to their rightful owners.

Brazil would like to send Sr. Cabello, Glorious Leader, as an observer to the conference.

Prominent Romanian Statesman (and friend of the prime minister) Viktor Dracel will attend on behalf of Romania and is willing to discuss Transylvania and other issues.

Chile will assign it's ambassador in Washington to observe the conference.

Representing the interests of the WZO are Chairman Theodor Herzl, Main Speaker Saul Yosef and Chairman of the Jewish National Fund Joseph Canetti, Representing the ZLF are Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, Isaac Pasternak and Shimon Begin.

Denmak sends a group of observers led under Carl Dueton. Denmark only sks that a handful of trifle little things should be brought to attention.
The new "Buffer" state will only make the aspect of invading the low countries that more appealing. Germany will need to get all of its Naval Installations and bases to show the ability of the world to make peace.

In all humblness,
The Kingdom of Denmark.
Signed: The King of Denmark

The Prime Minister of France, Jacques Castet, is personally attending the conference. After listening to several represenatives offer their solutions, he stirs and makes his case.

He gives a speech about the need to end the bloodshed and spare the mothers of Europe more grief. THen he responds to the terms that have been given so far.

1. France finds the creation of a buffer state between France and Germany agreeable and he terms that Germany has set forth about the said buffer zone. They will agree to this.

2. Germany will pay compensation to the civilians of Calais and Dunkirk.

3. France does not agree to the returning of the African Colonies.

4. France believes that Russia should be able to dictate the terms in Austria-Hungary as they are currently in very powerful position. The ywill agree to the terms Russia has dictated there already.

5. He rejects outright the Ottoman terms for peace in the Middle East. He demands that Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and the Arabian penisula be ceded to a new Arabic government. He suggests the Zionists find another place to make a Jewish homeland.

6. All prisoners of war will be returned to their respective countries.

7. France will sign a non-aggression pact with Germany.

He also expresses his sympathy and well-wishes to the Russian Czar and offers to send one of France's finest doctors to assist in his recovery.

Grand Vizier Kibrisli Mehmed Kamil Pasha reply to the French terms of peace.

"The Ottoman Empire will not give up half of her lands to French pay rebels and traitors. We will not give up anymore land, then what we have stated. To hell with your terms,sir. If you want a bloody "Arab" state make it in Algeria or Tunisa!"

Grand Vizier Kibrisli Mehmed Kamil Pasha reply to the French terms of peace.

"The Ottoman Empire will not give up half of her lands to French pay rebels and traitors. We will not give up anymore land, then what we have stated. To hell with your terms,sir."

"You, sir, are in no position to dictate terms. Your people are in rebellion. Over half your empire has been cut off from your capital. Your troops are stretched too thin. Your railroads and roads are too small or too outdated to support your armies' supply needs and that of your allies, while we can supply ours by sea. Your convoys are attacked by our friends, the Arabs. Your fleet has been smashed. Your ports are being blockaded. If the League is in a position of power to dictate terms anywhere it is the Middle East. How much longer can your troops hold out without artillery, machine-guns, and ammuniton? How can your troops fight when half of the time their food does not even reach the front? The fight is pointless.

"You say to make it in Tunisa? They did not ask us to make a state there. The oppressed people in the Middle East cried out to us for help and we answered taht call. We will liberate them from your oppressive rule."

"Then we'll fight to the bloody end...I will not sign a treaty which hands over the holy cities of Islam to traitors. I would have to kill myself if I do that. If you have to conquer the entire empire of the Ottomans, before we even think of signing such a mad treaty...We do not treat the people of the middle bad, they live in peace for the longest time under our rule. All you have are some raiders that attack conveys of defenseless people.We will fight to the bloody end then to sigh this French BS,may you burn in hell." reply Prime Minister Faisal ibn Husayn

Vladimir having receded into his chair, Deputy Prime Minister Kokovtsov (filling in for Witte, who's presence was required in the Motherland), leaned forward to speak.

"Sirs, please. Let us remain calm. It is certain that all of us wish, first and foremost, for an end to bloodshed everywhere. If we cannot be reasonable men now, the future of the human race on Earth may well be cast in doubt."

Kokovtsov outlines the following positions:

1. France finds the creation of a buffer state between France and Germany agreeable and he terms that Germany has set forth about the said buffer zone. They will agree to this.

Russia will support this.

2. Germany will pay compensation to the civilians of Calais and Dunkirk.

Russia will also support this, and make a contribution as well, given that our own forces were also responsible.

3. France does not agree to the returning of the African Colonies.

We will hold our tongue, as this is a matter that ought to be decided between France, Germany, and possibly Great Britain as mediator, since African affairs are pertinent only to the interests of the named Powers.

4. France believes that Russia should be able to dictate the terms in Austria-Hungary as they are currently in very powerful position. The ywill agree to the terms Russia has dictated there already.

We appreciate French grace in this matter. We will reciprocate with our good faith.

5. He rejects outright the Ottoman terms for peace in the Middle East. He demands that Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and the Arabian penisula be ceded to a new Arabic government. He suggests the Zionists find another place to make a Jewish homeland.

On the other hand, we sadly cannot support this. The Sublime Porte has been too good a friend to the Russian Empire, through thick and thin, for us to abandon their interests so completely. Their proposal, we believe, represents facts on the ground fairly realistically, and provides them only with the barest necessities required for the defense of their Empire. We propose that the British representative mediate here, as well. We hope very much that a mutually satisfactory conclusion can be brought to the affairs of the Middle East.

6. All prisoners of war will be returned to their respective countries.

We support this.

7. France will sign a non-aggression pact with Germany.

We support this, and frankly propose such a pact to be entered so as to include the entireties of both League and Coalition. European civilization is too precious to discard in another War such as this.

He also expresses his sympathy and well-wishes to the Russian Czar and offers to send one of France's finest doctors to assist in his recovery.

We thank the Première for his generosity, though such a gesture will be unnecessary. We do, however, salute his élan magnufique.

I have to leave for work now. Please don't start the War up again for at least another, say, ten hours. Please. Alright?

"So, you deny the will of the people do you? The Arabs have risen in revolt against your tyranny! They will prevail, if neccessary with out help. We will make one concession: We will withdraw claims for Syria and Lebanon. However, we must continue to press the demands for Palestine, Jordan, and the arabian peninsula."

I have to leave for work now. Please don't start the War up again for at least another, say, ten hours. Please. Alright?

OOC: Wasn't planning on it..I'm backing down a bit and not demanding quite as much.

"So, you deny the will of the people do you? The Arabs have risen in revolt against your tyranny! They will prevail, if neccessary with out help. We will make one concession: We will withdraw claims for Syria and Lebanon. However, we must continue to press the demands for Palestine, Jordan, and the arabian peninsula."
"Drop the bloody claim to the Arabia Peninsula, and we may agree to your terms." reply the Prime Minister

OOC: The Ottomans are very hardliners on this matter, besides in rl most Arab Nationalist were nothing but camel raiders, like Saudis and etc. So they have no repect for these backward nationalist. The real arabs to them, are the ones who are loyal to the state. Beside not all of the Arabs are nationalist, most of them are Pan Islamic, and they side with the Ottomans.

IC:Ottoman agreement edit versionfor the peace treaty

1. The Ottoman Governmetn created this region know as Transjordan,.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...an01/jo-map.gif, here is map of transjordan)
2. The Ottomans will set up DMZ in Southern Lebanon.
3. All Ottoman POWs will be sent back home.
4. Crete will be hand back to Ottoman rule.
6. Both sides may not station troops in Transjordan.
7. Jersusalem is a free city, will not be under Jewish nor Arab rule, but under regional rule of the international goverments.

The French Prime Minister retires for a few moments and confers with a small group of Arab men wearing Arabic dress. After several minutes of quiet talking and a few excited outbursts he returns to the table.

"Hussien Achmed bin Ali will drop his claim to the Arabian peninsula if the Turks will agree to give control of Lebanon, Palestine, and Jordan to the Arabs."

"Palestine, and Jordan yes, but to Lebanon, we say no. Its key region of defense for the empire. If we give up Lebanon, we give our main defense for Damascus and Syria as a whole." reply the Grand Vizier

"Hussien would also like to point out that you are both followers of the same religion. There is no reason for you to fear them if they are allowed what they want. He suggests a mutual defense treaty."

OOC: I'm currently on messanger with Rodenka. Seeing as he is not actually allowed to negotiate, I will be doing it for him.

"We stand our ground,we refuse to give up Lebanon. Yet we are willing to set up a DMZ in the Southern areas that are near to this state.." reply the Grand Vizier

OOC:Jensi, do you have MSN or AIM?

Kaiserine Sophie Hapsburg strolled into the conference chamber with several advisors and took her seat all the while wearing a mask of deep pain.

“Good day gentlemen, I apologize for my lateness. The transport ship I was on suffered mechanical problems. First before you begin your rabble rousing and indignant demands I must make an announcement, one that effects this council and its negotiations. During the last great battle between the Austro-Hungarian fleet and the Russian Fleet my husband, Franz Ferdinand, was killed. He was onboard inspecting the fleet and when the orders came to take to the sea, he stayed aboard because he wished to support the men that fought for my great country. I am told that he died helping fire one of the ships great guns whose crew was killed. He died a hero’s death for his country.”

Sophie turned to the German delegate and paused for a moment. “You sir, have no claims to any Austrian territory. My husband, my people, mourned and condemned the sinking of your ship and urged the Italian government to pay reparations and to apologize. We stood by you because you were our ally and we wished that no harm on you. Yet you made ridiculous demands to us who I remind you had nothing to do with it. When we refused to oblige you and your delusions, you declared war on us, a shameless ploy to gain land. You and your nation are nothing than common thieves. It was the Austrian Empire that created Austria-Hungary and yet you are delusional enough to claim that Austria is somehow part of Germany. Then why pray ask did Germany attempt war with Austria in 1867 in the Seven Weeks War? As to the Russian demands we are not willing to negotiate but we will state our terms.”

1. The signing of a non-aggression pact between Austria-Hungary and all belligerents.

2. The adoption of boundaries similar to those proposed by the great nation of Spain.

3. That any nation that would be created by the new boundaries or that would be ceded to other nations would first be required to undergo a vote on whether they actually wish to leave Austria-Hungary and that any territory or part of the territory that wishes to remain part shall be allowed to.

4. The paying of reparations of an amount to be discussed later from Austria-Hungary to the belligerents of Russia and the Ottoman Empire.

5. Any nation that would be created from the territories of Austria-Hungary would be free from any of Russia’s or its allies’ troops or influence and that international and independent board be created to make sure that it is so.

“These our are terms.”

Another quiet conference with the Arab leaders and Castet returns to the table.

"Hussien will relinquish any claims he has on Lebanon in exchange for a strip of Arabia bordering the Red Sea. Here are the proposed borders." Map (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/maparabia.jpg)

OOC: blitz1940@hotmail.com for MSN.

Jan Smuts leaned forward in his chair, and cleared his throat.

"If I may, I would like to suggest a compromise between French and Ottoman demands. France is unwavering in its support of the Arab peoples' right to a homeland of their own, and I must say I find such a stance to be of the most noble sort. However, Monsieur Castet must understand the demands of the Ottoman Empire are equally valid. Asking them to give up Lebanon is tantamount to asking them to giving nearly all of their empire, in the long run.

"Thus, perhaps middle ground can be reached. Obviously, the Arabian peninsula is the ancestral home of the Arab people, but the Turkish representative has made it abundantly clear they will not give up Mecca and Medina. Would it objectionable to either party if the Ottomans were to give up the eastern, say, two-thirds of Arabia, and perhaps southern Mesopotamia to become an Arab state, while maintaining their control over the western coast, and the Holy Cities?"

"The Ottomans thank the Boers for their input on the matter,but reject such an idea." Reply the Grand Vizier.

The Ottomans talk to themselfs and made a agreement
" We will give up Palestine, and all of Jordan, that's our offer. We can't give up anymore lands. As for part of Arabia, we say no once again. no part of Arabia will be handle over to Traitors."

After a longer confernece with the Arabs Castet once again returns, with a smile on his face.

"bin Ali has decided that your terms are acceptable. I believe we shall have peace!"

He offers his hand to the Turkish Ambassador, "To peace."

"To peace." reply the Grand Vizier in very bitter tone and he shake French Prime Minister hand.

"Now we ask for the Italians to withdraw from Ottoman Crete." Said the Prime Minister

Roosevelt was worried. He was concerned that peace was going to unravel over the Balkans, the problem that started the damned war to begin with. He also realized that a number of nations still felt they could win on the battlefield what they couldn't get at the peace table if it came to it. That had to be avoided.

Already orders were being placed on hold by the various belligerent nations, and factories in the US were going to be laying off workers soon. The last thing he wanted to see was an economic crisis because the Europeans couldn't decide what to do. The one thing he knew, after discussions with JP Morgan and other industrialists, is that industrialists, and most of all bankers, hated uncertainity. Some certianity had to be restored.

He looked at the map of the ethnic groups of the Balkans. Here was the problem, perhaps it could be the solution.

http://history.binghamton.edu/hist275/Map_Yogoslavia.jpg

The fate of Austria was the key. Perhaps Austria Hungary could be preserved in part? It would certainly benefit Russia for it to be so. If Austria Hungary fell apart inevitably, if not now, then later, Germany would annex Austria and probably the German ethnic lands of Bohemia as well.

http://www2.bc.edu/~heineman/maps/cs1.jpg

The key was to convince the Russians of this.

Keeping Austria Hungary as a nation, even a weaker nation, would benefit the Russians and the French. Perhaps it would prevent war, which would benefit the Germans, and for that matter the rest of Europe.

American proposal on the fate of the Austrian Hungarian Empire

1. That the Czech, Austrian, Hungarian, Slovakian and Slovanian parts of the Austrian Hungarian Empire remain together as a united nation, under a federal system where a Parliament consisting of proportional representation and a House of Lords where each portion of that Empire have equal representation wield the principal power, and that the Crown of Austria and Hungary remain as head of State with limited executive authority.

2. That Serbia be expanded into a southern Slavic state to consist of Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia.

3. That Slovenia retain possession of Trieste and its environs as to provide Austria Hungary with access to the sea.

4. That Transylvania be transferred to Rumania, as it has been removed from Austria by force of arms.

5. That Galacia be transferred to Russia, as it has been removed from Austria by force of arms.

6. That Austria Hungary, Rumania, Russia, Germany and the new southern Slavic state sign a non aggression pact.

Roosevelt was also concerned about the Aegean. The Italians had conquered Crete from the Turks, but really, Crete should be Greek.

Therefore, the US recommended that Crete by transferred to Greece, as well as the Island of Rhodes and that Greece be declared a neutral state, with its independence to be guaranteed by Russia, Italy and the Ottoman Empire.

The US government also endorsed the working agreement the Ottomans and French were coming to over the Levant. Realistically, it probably would lead to conflict, but at least it wouldn't lead to European conflict and threaten the worlds peace.

A buffer state between the Germans and French had a certain appeal. Roosevelt approached the French with the idea of recreating the Grand Duchy of Burgandy, where in the Duchy of Luxembourg (its remnant) would acquire Alsace and Lorraine,

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monticue/photogallery/photo20308/alsace-lorraine.gif

This state would also be neutral, and organized much like the proposed Austrian Hungarian state, with the Grand Duke of Luxembourg becoming its head of state, and its neutrality to be quaranteed by both France and Germany.

Finally, the United States government offered to help guarantee the treaty. If the belligerent nations agreed to the US proposals, the US would also guarantee the independence of Austria Hungary, Burgandy, Greece and the new Slavic (he proposes Yugoslavia) if the British Empire agrees to do the same. If those nations are attacked by an aggressor, then the British and Americans would come to their defense.

"The French would deny us our claims to independance, this is merely securing the belief that your nation is Anti-Semitic to the very core!" Rabbi Kook had stood staring the French representative in the eyes.

"Being as the other nations have drawn up their wishlist's we shall make our request's,

1. We ask for the lands stretching from the Red Sea to Jerusalem, as shown on this map (http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/4640/israel5rg.png)

2. An end to the blocking of Zionist immagrants going into Zion no matter the result of point 1

3. International in finding a land suitable for the Zionist's in the case of point 1 failing

We hope that these terms are found as acceptable as we found them."

"Crete and Island of Rhodes key to the defense of the Ottoman Empire, we want Crete back, we will not withdarw from Rhodes, it open the gates of our defenses to our foes. Crete and Rhodes are needed for the Ottoman Empire, we already give up Northern Ottoman Greece to Greece, we not giving up anymore lands to them."reply the Grand Vizier

Britain advises the Zion contingent to accept the agreed proposal between the Ottomans and the French. The Zions were lucky to get anything at all out of this war and they will now finish it with a new and internationally recognised homeland, something which they could never have dreamt of before it started.

The Ottoman Prime Minister began to speak
"The Zoinist must work out a deal with the Traitor arabs and French governments for their state. We have no say over the region of Transjordan, since we give it up for peace."

Britain advises the Zion contingent to accept the agreed proposal between the Ottomans and the French. The Zions were lucky to get anything at all out of this war and they will now finish it with a new and internationally recognised homeland, something which they could never have dreamt of before it started.

"The Franco-Ottoman agreement leaves us with nothing, the lands we hoped to return to have been declared neutral and we are left still searching for our holy lands."

The British government further believes that keeping the Middle East under one Empire is more likely to further the needs of peace. Splitting up the Ottoman territory is going to cause a lot of states to become uppity and demand independence from the Ottomans which will no doubt spread and become a huge conflagration like we saw recently.

Foreign Minister Dragan Petrovic added a suggestion to the American thoughts on a slavic state.

"It would be most unfortunate to have the Serbian leadership, a group not known for their understanding towards other ethnic groups to reign over this Yugoslavia you speak of, also Slovenia and Macedonia should be included in the creation of the state. I propose Sarajevo as the capitol as it would bind the Bosnians more closely to the new republic, as well as provide Yugoslavia with an incontestably neutral place to situate the seat of a federal (rather than Serb-dominated)government. I am sure we have Russia's support on this matter, and such things are critical to lessen the chance for future bloodshed within and without the proposed nation of Yugoslavia."

"Crete and Island of Rhodes key to the defense of the Ottoman Empire, we want Crete back, we will not withdarw from Rhodes, it open the gates of our defenses to our foes. Crete and Rhodes are needed for the Ottoman Empire, we already give up Northern Ottoman Greece to Greece, we not giving up anymore lands to them."reply the Grand Vizier

Roosevelt points out to the Turks that Rhodes and Crete under Greek control, a Greece were no foreign military forces are allowed, and a neutral Greece, should not be viewed as a threat to Turkey, and if anything, a Greece defended by the United States and Great Britian, as well as the other treaty states, would if anything be a form of protection for the Ottoman Empire.

However, the US does see the British point concerning the Levant region.

"If we are allow a major naval base on Crete, I will drop our claims to Crete and Rhodes."Stated the Grand Vizier

"If a military base is allowed on Crete then it will no longer be neutral territory"

"If we are allow a major naval base on Crete, I will drop our claims to Crete and Rhodes."Stated the Grand Vizier

Roosevelt agrees that would be reasonable, as long as no other nation uses those facilities.

"Very well it will be off limits to anyone else, it will be only used by the Greeks and Ottomans navies." Said the Grand Vizier

Colonel Reichmann stood up, adjusted his monocle, took a sip of tea, and responded.

"Zee German Empire has un very legitimate claim on Austria. Zee vast majority of our Army is currently occupying Austria. Austria-Hungary should be happy zat zey get anything at all!"

The more tactful Crown Prince stood up.

Austria speaks German, and has many German traditions. It is as German as Ohio is American. The fact that Germany currently occupies the country fortifies it further. Our claims even go back as far as the Holy Roman Empire, which was German at its core, and encompassed Austria, as well as many other states, which Germany is not claiming now. At the Unification of the German Empire, Prince Bismark was foolish in his decision not to include Austria in Germany. He feared that the more liberal southerners would not agree to the militarism of the Prussians. As has been seen, the Austrians are more bloodthirsty than any Junker! It was their foolish desire to harm the poor slavs, their desire to protect their even further greedy and bloodthirsty Italian allies. Germany has only helped free the Czechs and protect the Mohametans from bloodthirsty crusaders like the Austrians and Italians.

"The Hapsburgs are a dying, inbred family. They are old and decrepit and have not learned the ways of the new century. While Germany would allow them to preside over the Hungarian peoples, My father, myself, and the German people cannot allow the Austrians to run wild in an already volitle area. Only under Hohenzollern and Romanov guidance can that area continue to thrive. The Hapsburgs must also come to the realization that they have lost this war. The Austrians would not fight their brethren the Germans, and the Slavs would not take up arms against their protectors the Russians. You, my lady, have lost, and your plans to hold on to your weak rule would only result in further death among nations. Even your greatest ally France realizes that and I commend the Prime Minister for seeing it as such."

"Germany however, cannot agree to the French control of our colonies. The people of Togoland and Cameroons crave to return to the protection of Germany. However, Germany does not wish to enslave them any further. While every German agrees the Africans desire to be under the rule of Germany, my Father believes it is the time for them to rule themselves. Germany would agree to the following conditions:

1) Togoland and Cameroons be released from French Control totally.

2) Elections for government of Togoland and Cameroons be held and those territories be allowed to self-rule. However, they will act as British Dominions and still be under German influence. They will be allowed militias to be trained and armed by Germans. In their time of need, Germany will protect them from any outsiders.

"It is what must be done, and as soon as conditions are right, German Southwest Africa and German East Africa will be given the same priviledges and be presided over by the German African Union."

"Germany will stand by what the Ottomans agree to on the position of the Middle East. Germany also agrees to Ottoman control of Crete, as Greece abandoned the Coalition in their greatest hour."

"Lastly, Germany demands that the port of Syracuse be returned to German control to be used as a refuelling base for German interests in the Pacific and Indian oceans."

OOC: I would fully agree to this map (http://www2.bc.edu/~heineman/maps/cs1.jpg) with Italy getting Tiriste.

IC: "Lastly, Germany believes that the Middle East is too volitle an area for the Jews to live in and recommends that the French donate the Island of Madagascar to be given to a Jewish Government. Germany would also agree to donate monetary and industrial aid and military training so that this new Jewish state can enter the twentieth century."

American proposal on the fate of the Austrian Hungarian Empire

1. That the Czech, Austrian, Hungarian, Slovakian and Slovanian parts of the Austrian Hungarian Empire remain together as a united nation, under a federal system where a Parliament consisting of proportional representation and a House of Lords where each portion of that Empire have equal representation wield the principal power, and that the Crown of Austria and Hungary remain as head of State with limited executive authority.
2. That Serbia be expanded into a southern Slavic state to consist of Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia.
3. That Slovenia retain possession of Trieste and its environs as to provide Austria Hungary with access to the sea.
4. That Transylvania be transferred to Rumania, as it has been removed from Austria by force of arms.
5. That Galacia be transferred to Russia, as it has been removed from Austria by force of arms.
6. That Austria Hungary, Rumania, Russia, Germany and the new southern Slavic state sign a non aggression pact.

Sophie looked up in surprise. She had expected little support in this conference.

"We agree with the American proposals for the most part. However I would like to reiterate that we wish that any region or territory that is to leave Austro-Hungarian sovereignty would be allowed to vote on this issue. It hardly seems fair to decide their fate without their input does it not? As to the matter of a new government system for Austria-Hungary we fully agree. Just such a system was going to be implemented when the war ended and I believe that it fulfills my husbands last wish of seeing a truly unified Austria-Hungary. I do want to remind the Russian Delegation of one matter pertaining to their demands of the removal of the Monarchy in Austria-Hungary. They accuse my husband of being a mad man, someone who’s absolute power made him run made or something close to it. I wish to remind them that the Austro-Hungarian Parliament passed a motion approving the demands for turning over the responsible parties, and when Montenegro did not they approved the subsequent invasion, as did the press and the lay people of my nation. They say he abused his power and therefore decry no Kaiser shall ever again rule Austria-Hungary, as if leading Austria-Hungary somehow turns sane men mad and good rulers mad.

As to the expansion of Serbia. Montenegro was an independent nation before the conflict, and should remain so. Even my husband had no plans of permanently occupying Montenegro and none of the military commanders charged with the mission had even drawn up plans to do so. We also believe that Bosnia should revert to its former status as a colony of Austria-Hungary, something that until 1904 (or there just about) it was. Or if that is not suitable that it should become a independent nation unless it decides otherwise.”

The British reluctantly agree to an Ottoman naval base on Crete.

Britain supports German moves to grant Togoland and the Cameroons independence and agrees that they should be relinquisjhed from French control (They already have 2/3 of the continent anyway!). Further independence in all other German territories in Africa is also viewed as a step towards greater civility and rights on the troubled continent of Africa.

Britain would like to show it's dispondence at the thought of another large Central European power/empire rising up to take over where the Austrian's left off. Whilst we support German annexation of currently occupied territories we do not wish this to extend to encompass much more of ex-Austrian territory.

Parthini']IC: "Lastly, Germany believes that the Middle East is too volitle an area for the Jews to live in and recommends that the French donate the Island of Madagascar to be given to a Jewish Government. Germany would also agree to donate monetary and industrial aid and military training so that this new Jewish state can enter the twentieth century."

Theodor Herzl virtually lept out have his seat to stop Rabbi Kook from souring a decent deal "The Zionist's agree to this plan, whether the French would give up such lands is up to them, we do not wish to force anyone from their native lands."

The British reluctantly agree to an Ottoman naval base on Crete.

Britain supports German moves to grant Togoland and the Cameroons independence and agrees that they should be relinquisjhed from French control (They already have 2/3 of the continent anyway!). Further independence in all other German territories in Africa is also viewed as a step towards greater civility and rights on the troubled continent of Africa.

Britain would like to show it's dispondence at the thought of another large Central European power/empire rising up to take over where the Austrian's left off. Whilst we support German annexation of currently occupied territories we do not wish this to extend to encompass much more of ex-Austrian territory.

The United States feels that those nations are not ready for independence, and should be returned to Germany for gradual preparation for such a momentous change for them.

Parthini']"Lastly, Germany believes that the Middle East is too volitle an area for the Jews to live in and recommends that the French donate the Island of Madagascar to be given to a Jewish Government. Germany would also agree to donate monetary and industrial aid and military training so that this new Jewish state can enter the twentieth century."

Smuts nodded. "The Union of South Africa will assist Germany in aiding this Jewish state to get onto its feet, provided of course that the French agree to the proposal. If not, we will allow any Jews that wish it to emigrate to South Africa, though I am not empowered to offer land for their own state."

To: US

Britain was only supporting a German proposal and stated no timescale on the proposed independence. We were merely showing our support for such a move in the future. Sorry for any confusion caused.

Whilst Britain supports the founding of a Jewish state, it feels that perhaps Madagascar is not the best place for it. It would require extensive French commitments to peace and we do not feel that it is a viable alternative to the Middle East. However should such a move go ahead we would of course support it in the full.

OOC: First off, I think Chatzy (http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041) is a good place to go to work out stuff.

Secondly, I'm not totally sure whether it was going to be immediate or not. I just wanted to make sure you guys knew I wasn't going to be asking for the Africas back and then stomp on them.

Lastly, Germany only demands that the German parts of Austria-Hungary be handed over to the Hohenzollerns. Czech lands should be given to the Czechs, Serbian lands to the Serbs, Rumanian to Rumania, etc. If the treaty calls for the Hapsburgs to retain control of Hungary, Germany would agree. I only claim what was purple on GB's map.

Parthini]Austria speaks German, and has many German traditions. It is as German as Ohio is American. The fact that Germany currently occupies the country fortifies it further. Our claims even go back as far as the Holy Roman Empire, which was German at its core, and encompassed Austria, as well as many other states, which Germany is not claiming now. At the Unification of the German Empire, Prince Bismark was foolish in his decision not to include Austria in Germany. He feared that the more liberal southerners would not agree to the militarism of the Prussians. As has been seen, the Austrians are more bloodthirsty than any Junker! It was their foolish desire to harm the poor slavs, their desire to protect their even further greedy and bloodthirsty Italian allies. Germany has only helped free the Czechs and protect the Mohametans from bloodthirsty crusaders like the Austrians and Italians.

"Then why are not the poles in Germany part of Poland? By your logic they should. Just as many Poles in Germany speak German, many Austrians speak Hungarian or Italian or the like. By your logic you must cede all Polish area's in Germany to Poland.

And you dare call use crusaders? When did we ever quarrel with the Ottoman’s before they declared war on us? When Bosnia became part of my great nation, my husband granted all Muslims equal rights and declared that any attacks on them or any other ethic or religious group because of their unique backgrounds would be heavily punished. If you wish to make great claims of moral righteousness, you must make certain you have any idea what you are talking about.

As to the matter of the ‘blood thirstiness” of our soldiers, who were defending their homeland, as justification for occupation of Austrian territories is pure idiocy. Obviously you have no idea what so ever about what you are talking about. Austria has no desire to join Germany. Just because they share a common heritage does not mean they wish to be part of your ‘great’ Prussian nation. If they had such a desire, why had they not shown it before? Pure idiocy.”

Parthini']"The Hapsburgs are a dying, inbred family. They are old and decrepit and have not learned the ways of the new century. While Germany would allow them to preside over the Hungarian peoples, My father, myself, and the German people cannot allow the Austrians to run wild in an already volitle area. Only under Hohenzollern and Romanov guidance can that area continue to thrive.

"Volitile area? If I remember correctly there was never any problems in Austria and it was never volitile area. And again I belive your claims of moral superiority fall on deaf ears. Your leaders are no less failible or greedy than any other, if not more so."

Roosevelt points out that we haven't heard yet the Russian view on the US proposal.. perhaps their input would be valuable?

"Poles are not under polish rule, because there is no such thing! They have been a part of Germany for a long time now and do not desire to leave.

"I believe I have seen with my own eyes the willingness of the Austrians to join the Great German Empire! Instead of the Germanic Austrian I should have heard from the local garrisons, I heard Hungarian and even Russian, which dialects are on the other side of your empire! It seems to me that the German Austrians were unwilling to fight their bretheren, so your scheming generals switched them!

"In any matter, my lady, you are in no position to debate such matters. Your lands are occupied by members of the Coalition, your armies are in exile in Korea, Nicaragua and Italy. I believe you should let your friends the French and Italians work with us to let you keep what weak possessions you still might own."

a brief ooc note
Austrian forces still held on to Vienna at the time of the armistice, and Prague as well, and most of Slovenia was under League control as was Tyrolia, so their is still a great chunk of the Austrian Empire not yet under occupation at the time of this conference

The Italian foriegn minister read all the proposals, listened to the fiery debates, and was finally enraged by the Germans and their demands.

"Italy is not greedy nor is it bloodthirsty! The only nation that is bloodthirsty or greedy at this entire conference is Germany! You Germans declared war after the accidental sinking of a German cruiser, not just on us, but on Austria-Hungary as well! Any credibility you Germans had has vanished, and it is best if you simple Prussians no longer speak, as your minds are so full of guns and conquest you cannot think straight!"

The Foriegn Minister paused for a moment, collecting his thoughts.

"I beseech all the rational nations at this table to not allow a German annexation of Austria. Such a move would radically destabilise Europe, more so than this entire war has. Germany would become too powerful, and the balance of power would forever be disrupted unless some radical move is enacted to counter it. For this peace to last, we must all give up something.

Italy has a new proposal for all at the table. Austria-Hungary keep both Austria and Hungary, as well as an inlet to the sea, plus Bohemia. All Romanian lands in Austria-Hungary go to Romania. Independent nations are created along the Adriatic coast. Galicia goes to Russia. This, we feel, should still provide a balance of power and accomodate the rational Russian demands."

Juan was intrigued by the American terms and decided to have a skilled cartagropher draw up borders for the proposed new map of europe...

Juan unfurlled the map and placed it on the table...

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/7586/washingtonconference7jn.gif

He spoke, "I believe you may find this map more suitable my fine sirs.".

Petrovic was still flustered that his demands were not being considered.

"I find it unacceptable that the Slovenians are being taken under the opressive control of the Austrian once again, instead of joining the Yugoslavian Federation! They have just the same rights as the Bosnians and the Croats, and yet because Austria needs a port you are making them slaves? Unacceptable!"

Petrovic was starting to get angry at the prospect, so he chose to sit down a drink some water before he said something shrewd.

Petrovic was still flustered that his demands were not being considered.

"I find it unacceptable that the Slovenians are being taken under the opressive control of the Austrian once again, instead of joining the Yugoslavian Federation! They have just the same rights as the Bosnians and the Croats, and yet because Austria needs a port you are making them slaves? Unacceptable!"

Petrovic was starting to get angry at the prospect, so he chose to sit down a drink some water before he said something shrewd.

"Slaves my good man? How dare you accuse us of such barbarity! Since 1900 the Slovenians have had just as many rights as any other single person in Austria-Hungary and more rights than many of the surrounding nations. We resent such accusations to the extreme."

"Italy also finds it unacceptable that Spain is willing to cede Italian territory with plenty of Italians to Germany, with existing treaty arrangements and such prior to the war."

"I would like to point out to the Macedonian representative that before this horrid war began, the Empire of Autria-Hungary was putting into effect many liberal reforms to help give equality to all the nationalities of the Empire. I believe you have been misled my friend, on how the Autrians treat their people, especially His Royal Highness Franz Ferdinand. Also my good friend from Italy what is it you are talking about? Tyrol perhaps?"

OOC:Independent Macedonia, what's your AIM?

(OOC: Italy has the modern borders with Austria-Hungary)

"We speak of South Tyrol, which is in Italian hands."

"I see no problem with that. I will have a new map made."

And Juans cartographer set about the task...

ooc: dangit people stop being so picky!!!!! jp

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/7203/washingtonconference0dc.gif

"As promised."

OOC:Philanchez,here is a better map of europe to use for your maps.
http://geography.about.com/library/blank/europe.jpg

OOC: My AIM is Mechroff

IC:
"Why should the Slovenes deserve anything less than the peoples of the Balkans? I am sure they would prefer independence to rule by another people's monarchy. They would be much better off in a federation of their peers, than under the grip of another people. If it is too outlandish for you to believe that, than at least let the Slovene people vote upon it. Reforms are not enough, they deserve to be under their own rule, instead of having the Austrians deciding when the Slovenes go to war or are at peace!"

"Slaves my good man? How dare you accuse us of such barbarity! Since 1900 the Slovenians have had just as many rights as any other single person in Austria-Hungary and more rights than many of the surrounding nations. We resent such accusations to the extreme."

Roosevelt and Secretary of State John Hay also point out that the Slovenians are Catholic, while the remainder of the Yugoslavs are either Orthodox or Moslem. Therefore, they have more in common with the Austrians and Hungarians than the Serbs, Macedonians and Greeks.

Jacques Castet is agreeing with many of the terms so far and has reluctantly agreed to return Germany's colonies to the Kaiser. However, he says the Madagascar will remain under French rule. The Zionists will have to find somewhere else.

He does protest that allowing Germany to annex Austria would make Germany far too powerful and upset the balacne of Europe. He is opposed to that in any shape or form.

Upon recieving a telegram from the King Juan spoke...

"I have been told to request that Morocco be made a protectorate of Spain to make sure that the whole of Africa does not fall under European tyranny. The king also believes that this would help differ any new colonization efforts that might cause another Great War which I believe none of us want to see in our, our childrens, and our grandchildrens lifetimes even."

Roosevelt and Secretary of State John Hay also point out that the Slovenians are Catholic, while the remainder of the Yugoslavs are either Orthodox or Moslem. Therefore, they have more in common with the Austrians and Hungarians than the Serbs, Macedonians and Greeks.

"America, if anyone, should know that it isn't what denomination you are that matters, but your will for freedom! Slovene's deserve to be united with their Slavic brethren! Our demands stand as such."

"The Italians call us bloodthirsty and greedy? They took their Austrian friends, and used them as a shield to protect them from our rightful wrath. They continue to watch and claim the existance of the Austrian Empire but do not realize that they have lost that front. Germany is willing to push further and completely destroy the Austro-Hungarian Empire if need be!

"Italy also claims that the balance has tilted in our favor. True, we have won the Danube front. However, they forget to realize their victories. I believe it would be wise to see that the Italians now have almost total control of the Mediterranean Sea and are pushing through crusading in the Turk lands creating new Crusader puppet states. It has also ended in stalemate on the Western Front. The Balance has only changed, it has not become unstable.

"I am also not claiming Italian lands. I only demand the German parts of Austria, while Bohemia becomes Czech, and a Yugoslavia be created! I have no objection to the Hapsburgs retaining control of the Crown of Hungary. If anyone in this area is being greedy, it is the Italians wishing to make their human shield stronger."

"Also, Morocco has been made a protectorate of Germany, where we promise to protect their independance, as repentance of our faulty actions."

OoC: Just got back from work, to find four pages had been added while I was gone. Yeow. Anyway, that's why I wasn't talking while everyone else was arguing.
Kordo, I've said before and I still maintain, the war is nothing personal for me (except about Slovenia, see below). But if you have a fault it's that you consistently overestimate the strength of your bargaining position. Having forced me, after several offers of peace, to conquer your empire in detail, I'm not about to give it back.
The only thing that's even slightly negotiable is Hungary, which I have no real interest in. Austria and the Sudetenland were promised to Germany even before the War (you don't think I didn't prepare? Fluff may even recall some inquiries I made to Italy), while Transylvania was granted to Romania as a condition of their alliance when I opened up that front.
Czechoslovakia was the birthplace of Pan-Slavism, and a major focus of Russian propaganda throughout the War. If I backed down on that, I'd have no integrity at all.
Finally, Yugoslavia is my real grudge match. In real life, Johann Gazvoda, my grandfather, was drafted by the Austro-Hungarian army in 1918. He deserted, traveled to the United States, and joined the American Army specifically so he could go back and fight the Austrians. If you'd ever met my grandfather, you'd know why Slovenija will be separated from Austria.
I have to add again. Pretty much everything else, as far as I can tell, is being worked out. Habsburg resistence is the only destabilizing force currently operating here (I mean, the French and the Turks are even comiong to terms!). The official Russian position is that the Kaiserin has no business even being at the Conference. But my one and only offer is: that I will allow the Habsburgs to retain possession of Hungary (modern-day borders only), on condition of ratification by plebiscite, a permanent non-aggression treaty with the Russian Empire and all her allies, and probably other conditions (like reparations and the acceptance of responsibility for the War) that I'm too tired to even think of right now.
Accept this, or we'll all just go back to the War. Unless your allies wisely desert you.

OOC: Damn VP, that's one hardline stand on the matter...I must say one hardline stances...

Jacques Castet turns to the Austrian ruler:

"I urge you to accept these terms. If you do not it is likely that your entire country will be ripped from underneath you and you will be forced into exile. At least in this way you retain some territory. There is no other way. My forces, once dug in, an defend effectiely against the Russians and Germans but it would be suicide to launch an offensive against them.

"If you do not see the wisdom of these words and relinquish your demands then, I am sorry to say, France will be forced to make a seperate peace and withdraw it's troops from the war against Russia and Germany. There is grumbling in my country about my people sending their sons to die for your empire and your royalty. Things we finally abolished a half-century ago. There is no other way. Accept the terms."

With that, he turns to the German delegate,

"France is prepared to accept your terms for peace. Shall we work out the details of the buffer state in private?"

Roosevelt is dissapointed by the lack of support to save Austria Hungary and privately encourages the Austrian delegation to take what they can get and accept becoming the royal family of Hungary.

However, the US is more hopeful about the creation of Burgundy, Yugoslavia and hopes of peace otherwise.

The creation of a German superstate didn't play well in the papers though, and and substantial sympathy began to develop for France.

Russia will accede to all other aspects of the American plan, as well as to the Franco-German agreement.

"May peace reign if the Austians dont agree to these terms...then more lives are to be losted." Said the Grand Vizier

OOC: Russia, there is a item of interest for you in my news thead.

The Austrians can go ahead and refuse to agree all they like--that was exactly my point, is that they have no power. With the French acceptance, we have peace unless the Italians support the Habsburgs, since the Spanish are too far away to be a credible threat without Italy's support.
So it's all on the Fluff.

And Russia will try to be a better friend to Mehmed than we were to Abd-ul-Hamid.

The Austrians can go ahead and refuse to agree all they like--that was exactly my point, is that they have no power. With the French acceptance, we have peace unless the Italians support the Habsburgs, since the Spanish are too far away to be a credible threat without Italy's support.
So it's all on the Fluff.


Actually, history has caught up with the Hapsburg family... and the Imperial Army and government is essentially no more.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9537642&postcount=199

Viktor Drakel, Representitive of Romania, remarks:

"We are pleased by current terms that are fair and just to everyone and would like to urge all to not be an obsticale in thhe way of peace. We would like to also say that we are pleased that an accord was reached with France as we would like to restore relations with them as our war is not with them, we hope the same with Italy and Spain. May a new begining arise in Europe..."

"Whilst we have been refused the rule over Zion and of Madagascar we still keep our request to allow Jewish immagrants to purchase lands in Zion!"

Vladimir: "I suppose that's up to the Arabs, now, isn't it?"

Second American recommended Treaty of Washington (based on agreement so far and continued discussion)
1. The war is ended, all prisoners returned, no further hostilities.
2. No reparations have been agreed on.
3. The area known as Alsace Lorraine is hereby joined with Luxembourg to form the Grand Duchy of Burgandy. It is a neutral nation, and its neutrality is guaranteed by France, Germany, the United States and Great Britain.
4. The former Austrian area of Galacia is hereby annexed by Russia
5. The former Austrian areas of Transylvania and Bukavina is hereby annexed by Rumania.
6. The former Austrian areas of Bohemia and Morevia will gain their independence and form the nation of Czechslovakia. There territory will be amended under this map:
http://www2.bc.edu/~heineman/maps/cs1.jpg
7. The former Austrian areas of Bosnia Herzogovina, Dalmatia, Croatia Slavonia, Carnalia (Slovenia) shall be merged with the Kingdoms of Serbia and Montenegro as well as Macedonia to form the nation of Yugoslavia.
8. The former Austrian area of Istria (Trieste) is hereby annexed by Italy.
9. The former Austrian areas of Tyrolia, Salzburg, Austria and Styria shall be annexed by Germany.
10. The Austrian Hungarian Empire no longer exists and its remnant is now the nation of Hungary.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6813/t028717a2ve.gif

11. The German colonies of Togo and Cameroon shall be returned to Germany.
12. The former Turkish areas of Palestine and Jordan shall gain their independence as the nations of Palestine and Jordan and shall remain neutral and Great Britain, France, Italy and Turkey shall guarantee their neutrality.
13. The former Turkish area of Crete and Rhodes shall be transferred to Greece, and the United States and Great Britain shall guarantee Greek neutrality, and Turkey shall have the right to maintain a naval base on Crete.
14. All Austrian Hungarian military personnel, units, and warships are to immediately return to Trieste, no matter their present location, to be repatriated, and allowed to return to their homes. Individuals who do not wish to return are free to seek homes elsewhere, but they may not form military units outside of the military forces of their new homes. All remaining warships are to be handed over to Yugoslavia to form the basis of their navy.
15. All Austrian Hungarian units, warships and military personnel located in the Western Hemisphere, particularly in Latin America, will be interned by the United States and assets belonging to the government of Hungary, the legal successor to the Austrian Hungarian Empire, will be returned to that nation. (with the exception of warships that are being transferred to Yugoslavia)

ooc
did I miss anything?

3. The area known as Alsace Lorraine is hereby joined with Luxembourg to form the Grand Duchy of Burgandy. It is a neutral nation, and its neutrality is guaranteed by France, Germany, the United States and Great Britain.

(OOC: Damn, I knew i should have stuck with Luxembourg)

OOC: Sorry I'm late( Been outta state for like 3 days), A lot has happened, damn.


IC: Japan would like to send their Ambassador to the United States to this conference.

HRH King Ferdinand of Bulgaria will agree with the conditions of the current American treaty...except the name for the new Luxemburg and Alsase-Lorraine Territory, it should become the (Brabant) Grand Duchy of Luxemburg.

Macedonia is happy with these terms, and will sign without further arguement.

OOC: I assume that the regions of Voralberg and Carinthia will also be placed under German Control?

If so, I agree.

Parthini']OOC: I assume that the regions of Voralberg and Carinthia will also be placed under German Control?

If so, I agree.

yes...

by the way, if Austria Hungary doesn't sign, then a new government will do so after it tosses out the old one.. the Hungarians just want peace.

The US is pushing Italy, Spain and France to sign to end this war

12. The former Turkish areas of Palestine and Jordan shall gain their independence as the nations of Palestine and Jordan and shall remain neutral and Great Britain, France, Italy and Turkey shall guarantee their neutrality.

ooc
did I miss anything?

OOC: I like everything else, but Palestine and Jordan are becoming one country known as the Republic of Palestine. That's what Rodenka and I decided while plotting this.

IC: Castet raises two minor issues which he would like addressed before Frnace signs the final treay:

1)The Arabic leadership has expressed their wish that Palestine and Jordan become one country known as the Republic of Palestine.

2) That Germany be required by the treaty to pay reparations to the citizens of Calais and Dunkirk.

Aside from these two minor things, France is prepared to sign.

the United States secretly urges the French to drop the damages issue as to avoid having the Germans bring up the possibility of damages suffered by German citizens due to the French offensive into Alsace Lorraine or damages suffered by German citizens in the French conquest of Togo or Cameroon.

Popular reaction in Chile is similar to that in the United States. There is additional pressure on President Molina to insist on Brazilian fealty to the Pan American treaty before negotiation of commercial agreements. The overwhelming sentiment is for American dominance in the Western Hemisphere.

ooc: galveston can you get on chatzy real quick?

Italy, after much internal debate, decides to sign the treaty. Although Austria-Hungary was destroyed, and a greater Germany was formed, the treaty did create a buffer between Germany and France. It also slightly enlarged Italy and pretty much ended all claims Italian nationalists had. Some of the more extreme ones still claimed Dalmatia, Corsica, Malta, and others, but no one cared about them. Best of all, it ended the war and allowed Italy to concentrate on fending off this recession.

Castet notes that the French did not attempt to damage civilian facilities on purpose and must insist the German's pay reperations to the citizens of Calais and Dunkirk.

"The Austro-Hungarian Delegation hereby finds the terms of the treaty ridiculous, and we refuse to sign it or ratify it. If anyone wishes to contact the Austro-Hungarian Government and put a fair offer on the table, I personally will be spending several months in Korea meeting the brave Austro-Hungarian troops there and you can reach me there.” Sophie announced. “While Archduke Karl,” she added with a sneer “is currently living with an anti-war group in Italy. I’m sure that if you wish to meet with him that the Italian government can provide the address. I will also maintain a government post in Budapest at the Royal Palace there if you are unable to reach us otherwise.”

Sophie rose to her feet. “Thank you for wasting my time gentlemen and of course the Russian and German delegations who do not deserve that title. I would however like to thank the American delegation for being the only gentlemen in this room who wants a fair end to peace and an end that will not lead to war.

I am the leader of Austria-Hungary, lest any of you forget that. For now we may be confined to Hungary, but never forget that. For neither I, nor my fellow countrymen have or every will. Every time a train is derailed in Austria or a Mosque is burnt to the ground in Bosnia, remember us and this promise. I wished a end to this conflict. Instead I find myself promising a different type. So goes the wages of war.”

With those ominous words Sophie strolled out the door, leaving the delegations behind. Whether she intended or even could carry out those threats was unknown and seen as unlikely even by her own delegation who had not expected anything like this from the normally calm and peaceful Kaiserine. But in the underground of the former Austria-Hungary word began to spread, always spoken in fearful whispers, of a Royalist group called the Todekommandos or Death’s Commandos, a group that should be avoided at all costs if one valued their life.

ooc: This is a good time to point out a few things:
1. I’m not sure what my plans are in this game, meaning I’m not sure if I want to remain Hungary or say play as Argentina or another country, which is the reason the post isn’t to specific on details.
2. All things said IC are just that. I have nothing against any players so don’t be offended by anything my characters say. Personally I love making my characters be pompous assholes, this doesn’t reflect the way I think about you as a player. I don’t know if anyone thought that but I just wanted to be clear.
3. I would also like to thank all the players involved in this war however for making it extremely enjoyable for me, if slightly aggravating. I also want to thank Galveston Bay for the large amount of time he put into this little war of ours. We couldn’t have done it without him.

Roosevelt admired her pluck, but felt sadness for what he knew was bound to happen. The Russians weren't going to accept that. They would simply occupy all of Hungary most likely and force an unconditional surrender.

Ensuring that the Habsburgs would be completely removed to the dustbin of history.

Second American recommended Treaty of Washington (based on agreement so far and continued discussion)
1. The war is ended, all prisoners returned, no further hostilities.
2. No reparations have been agreed on.
3. The area known as Alsace Lorraine is hereby joined with Luxembourg to form the Grand Duchy of Burgandy. It is a neutral nation, and its neutrality is guaranteed by France, Germany, the United States and Great Britain.
4. The former Austrian area of Galacia is hereby annexed by Russia
5. The former Austrian areas of Transylvania and Bukavina is hereby annexed by Rumania.
6. The former Austrian areas of Bohemia and Morevia will gain their independence and form the nation of Czechslovakia. There territory will be amended under this map:
http://www2.bc.edu/~heineman/maps/cs1.jpg
7. The former Austrian areas of Bosnia Herzogovina, Dalmatia, Croatia Slavonia, Carnalia (Slovenia) shall be merged with the Kingdoms of Serbia and Montenegro as well as Macedonia to form the nation of Yugoslavia.
8. The former Austrian area of Istria (Trieste) is hereby annexed by Italy.
9. The former Austrian areas of Tyrolia, Salzburg, Austria and Styria shall be annexed by Germany.
10. The Austrian Hungarian Empire no longer exists and its remnant is now the nation of Hungary.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6813/t028717a2ve.gif

11. The German colonies of Togo and Cameroon shall be returned to Germany.
12. The former Turkish areas of Palestine and Jordan shall gain their independence as the nations of Palestine and Jordan and shall remain neutral and Great Britain, France, Italy and Turkey shall guarantee their neutrality.
13. The former Turkish area of Crete and Rhodes shall be transferred to Greece, and the United States and Great Britain shall guarantee Greek neutrality, and Turkey shall have the right to maintain a naval base on Crete.
14. All Austrian Hungarian military personnel, units, and warships are to immediately return to Trieste, no matter their present location, to be repatriated, and allowed to return to their homes. Individuals who do not wish to return are free to seek homes elsewhere, but they may not form military units outside of the military forces of their new homes. All remaining warships are to be handed over to Yugoslavia to form the basis of their navy.
15. All Austrian Hungarian units, warships and military personnel located in the Western Hemisphere, particularly in Latin America, will be interned by the United States and assets belonging to the government of Hungary, the legal successor to the Austrian Hungarian Empire, will be returned to that nation. (with the exception of warships that are being transferred to Yugoslavia)

ooc
did I miss anything?

Russia agree to these terms (although the maps are a little unclear--in the second one it looks as if Hungary includes Transylvania and Bosnia, but obviously from the text that is not the case). Russia will also offer to pay damages to the victims of Dunkerque and Calais.
Finally, I salute you Kordo, and I look forward to seeing you around again, and possibly to tear my hair out at your doings again, as well. In any event well done, sir.
Finally, Galveston Bay's assessment is correct. Russia will simply occupy Hungary until an unconditional surrender is granted. Mihály Gróf Károly will probably be appointed Provisional President.

In the interests of peae Castet has ceased seeking reperations and will sign the treaty as is.

(OOC: Before we all divide up Europe and such, it is clear that I am getting Istria. However, the text states that the former Austrian territories of Tyrolia are annexed by Germany. As Italy and Austria-Hungary had the modern day borders, does this mean that South Tyrol (the Italian part) is annexed by Germany? If that is the case, then Italy will not sign unless Italy gets South Tyrol.)

Esteemed Delegates,

Spain agrees to these terms and will sign in the interests of peace. I hope that this war shows you men the price of imperialism and the thirst for conquest. I know that many of the Coalition nations did not join because of just reasons but found some way to join so as to extend their borders and become someones ruler. I hope that you men will throw away these faulty ideals and seek an everlasting peace, a Pax Europa if you will, in which we all can focus on our countrys issues and our peoples problems to further the prosperity of the people and make europe and the world peaceful. Those of you who continue on your imperialistic qoests can be assured that you will never, as long as you mantain that status, be a friend or ally of Spain.

Alfonso XIII Bourbon, por la gracia de Dios, Reye de España y de la Cruzada

Juan stood and read the letter aloud. He then sat back down and let the rest of the delegates mull over the letter...

The Crown Prince stood and said, "I and the people of Germany, wish to thank all of the delegates for their fine words and fine actions that have brought peace to the world. I am glad that we were able to come to a rightful conclusion, without any more bloodshed.

"Italy has pointed out that South Tyrol, which according to this treaty is under German control, is Italian in culture and thus should be given to Italy. While Germany feels that Italy has gained much from a war that it had to bear little burden, Germany feels that it does not wish to care for ungrateful Latins who only wish to live with their bretheren. Thus, Imperial Germany will agree to hand control of Southern Italian Tyrol to Italy, only as far as Italian culture dominates.

"Lastly, the French have asked for reparations for the citizens of Dunkirk and Calais. While the German Empire believes that those citizens were working on a military area, and thus were under a war zone, Germany will agree to pay repartions to rebuild civilian facilities that were damaged in our completely legal attacks, if only to promote peace."

Castet stands and nods to the Prince, "I would like to thank you for your words and offer of reperations...However, France has decided to drop the issue for the sake of peace and good relationships between our two nations."

ooc: sorry for the delay in responding, a cross country meet and of course school made up my day yesterday. Basically, the speech given by sophie was...well for a lack of a better term, bull shit. The civilian government is likely to sign it in its full measure. Basically the speech was a way to save face by showing that the Monarchy will not accept defeat, and I realize that were going hungary is going to be occupied for a while which might make a good RP if anyone is interest, while I figure what I'm going to do...do a replay of WWII and get killed by Russia again or simple just take control of another nation. Sorry for the indisivness. (and horrible spelling errors)