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We here in the Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschycos have become more and more security conscience over the past few years. Recently, we have found a major gap in our security procedures. Therefore, we issue the following statement to all nations:

Any ship, with the exception of those belonging to or heading to any nation of the Greater Prussian Empire, found inside our territorial waters extending 50 nautical miles from our land shall be SUNK without warning. This applies to any ship, military, commercial, or civilian. Regular patrols shall enforce this.

Likewise, any plane, with the exception of those belonging to or geading to any nation of the Greater Prussian Empire, found violating our airspace shall be SHOT DOWN immediatly, again with no warning. Again, this applies to all military, commercial, or civilian craft. Regular patrols and ground installations shall enforce this.

In all circumstances, no reembursment of ANY kind shall be given. No apologie shall be given. This shall be the only warning.

Isoruku Yamamoto III

Acting Shogun of Pschycotic Pschycos
Grande Admiral of the Imperial Court's Navy

OOC: I can't control where my satellites go, and no one else can, unless they plan for months in advance and hit boosters once and hope to God it don't fly into the lower atmosphere and burn up. Everything else is noted, but the satellite problem isn't passing me. If you shoot down one of my satellites because Sir Isaac Newton didn't cross your mind, I think my politicans would be very mad at you.

That is not our problem. This is a wide world, and it is possible to put a satellite in an orbit so that it does not interfere with our airspace.

OOC: Not nessicarily...Why do you think the Cold War was so massive on spy satellites? Each side thought that the other was spying, when in reality the orbit just kept revolving around.


IC:
The Chancellor of the Jewittist Republic has released a comment:

"We cannot just move our orbits of satellites out of thin air, it'll take months on end to plan for this change. They were designed for orbits to cover the world in case of national crisis, and this will totally disrupt the entire network. We cannot move them. If it pleases you, we shall not review the transmissions sent from them (although we usually do not unless it is a political hotspot)."

That shall do until they CAN be moved. We'd also like the area cleared due to our own departing ships. An MTV satellite took one down last month.

It is only possible if you are away from the equator or for geosynchronous and semigeosynch orbits (which stay on or near equatorial areas.) Survey sattelites for non-equatorial nations will pass over the entire earth eventually as they circle on North-South (or trans-rotational for a technical term) orbit.

So, in general terms, you've just decided to shoot down >95% of the satellites around the world. Just a guess but, likely a few thousand nations would object if they don't just ignore you.

Oooooooooooohhhhhhh.......There's a problem isn't there? Yep, that's an oops. I guess I will have to edit THAT part. The rest stands as is.

EDIT: Retracted Statement since the anti-satellite statement has been changed.

OOC: There's this little thing called orbiting.. If you shoot down every satellite that goes over your head, you've got two major problems:
1.) Expensive!
2.) A helluva lot of nations are going to be pissed..

For that reason I'm ignoring any of my satellites lost because of this. Otherwise, standard IC retort, etc etc.

Don't worry, it's been ammended to any satellite with offensive capabilites, as those are rare enough for proper planning.

[OOC: It's not possible for people to stop their satelites from travelling over your nation - http://www.rap.ucar.edu/~djohnson/satellite/coverage.html

This thread has my official stamp of n00b.]

What part of EDITED do people NOT understand!!?? Here, that whole thing is gone, now stop harping about physics! I HATE physics!!!

[OOC: It doesnt matter what the satellite's intended purpose or armament is, people still cant stop them moving over your nation. I've seen these threads before. They go like this:

I ZOMFG contravene your declaration and launch a satellite over your nation!

I shoot it down!

It wasnt my fault it was just orbitting! I demand an apology.

Your fault!

*Declares war*

WTF aggressor n00b!!! *calls in allies*

*attacks*

WTF godmodderz0rz

<<insert flaming>>

IGNORED!]

[OOC: It doesnt matter what the satellite's intended purpose or armament is, people still cant stop them moving over your nation. I've seen these threads before. They go like this:

I ZOMFG contravene your declaration and launch a satellite over your nation!

I shoot it down!

It wasnt my fault it was just orbitting! I demand an apology.

Your fault!

*Declares war*

WTF aggressor n00b!!! *calls in allies*

*attacks*

WTF godmodderz0rz

<<insert flaming>>]

It's fixed. Please excuse me for not realizing that such a thing can't be controlled.

Now, the final statement is:

If any ship not of GPE enters territorial waters 50 Nm from our shores, it will be sunk immediatly.

Any aircraft violating our airspace, directly over us, it shall likewise be destroyed.

No reembursement or apology shall be given in either case.

OOC:
Praetonia, no offence (in case you havn't noticed them), but you should read his latest posts. He had edited out the satellite thing, meanning he will not shoot down sats over his nation. He didn't know, no big problem.

OOC:
Praetonia, no offence (in case you havn't noticed them), but you should read his latest posts. He had edited out the satellite thing, meanning he will not shoot down sats over his nation. He didn't know, no big problem.
[OOC: Actually he had editted it to say that he would only shoot down military satellites.]

[OOC: Actually he had editted it to say that he would only shoot down military satellites.]

Actually, it's been completly erased.

Official Administrative Response

Your extension of home waters to fifty nautical miles will not be respected by either civilian or martial shipping belonging to the Golden Throne. What will be respected is a standard home water range of twenty nautical miles. If it is your policy to sink ships within fifty nautical miles of your coasts then beware that any lost property of the Golden Throne will mean an immediate investigation, and the guilt will be placed on someone.

Our policies remain that if our shipping is sunk in what we see as international waters, which is frankly what is accepted by standard United Nations laws and priviliges, unless it was before hand recognized by us, the nation who did sink said shipping would have issued a decleration of war to us - although it wasn't necessarily written. It is to say, the nation who perpetrated the sinking will find itself in an immediate situation of war.

Consequently, we issue our own warning to you. You may do what you want, since you are a sovereign nation. However, you must live to your responsibilites, and to the consequences of your decisions and actions. Our own policy will not change.

[signed]Fedor I

The Neoman Peoples agree with The Macabees. We will not divert any of our ships, Civilian or otherwise. If you sink them we will be forced to repay the favor in blood.

We do not acknowledge or respect ANY form of international law or diplomatic immunity, set up by the UN or any other international orginization. We claim waters out to 50 Nm and patrol out to such reaches. All traffic not associated with the GPE shall not be allowed in. If traffic has violated said boundaries, it shall be fired upon until it leaves 50 Nm, or is sunk.

[OOC: Where is the GPE relative to the NS world? I don't even know if I have shipping lanes that go by there? What major nations are there in the GPE, or near the GPE?]

[OOC: Where is the GPE relative to the NS world? I don't even know if I have shipping lanes that go by there? What major nations are there in the GPE, or near the GPE?]

OOC: GPE stands for Greater Prussian Empire, my home region. It's basically just a free floating continent.

OOC: GPE stands for Greater Prussian Empire, my home region. It's basically just a free floating continent.

I think The Macabees ment WHERE is it? near australia, Antartica?

Actually, it's been completly erased.
Strange, because I read it. Maybe you pressed "delete" just after I clicked reply.

Strange, because I read it. Maybe you pressed "delete" just after I clicked reply.

Yeah, that's probably what happened.

I think The Macabees ment WHERE is it? near australia, Antartica?

It's just on the NS earth. I didn't think that the NS earth involved stuff like that. It's just its own continent.

It's just on the NS earth. I didn't think that the NS earth involved stuff like that. It's just its own continent.

Fine Latitude and Longitude then

Starenell agrees with The Macabees and Neoma. We will only respect your claim to 20 NM out and will not divert any ships farther than that. We will conduct an investigation if any of our ships are attacked and will aid in any investigation conducted by another nation.

The Silver Sky stands by it's ally The Macabees.

Fine Latitude and Longitude then
[OOC: NS Earth != RL Earth with NS nations on it. Longitude and latitude, position relative to RL nations etc has no meaning.]

The Armed Republic of Teh Hax agrees with The Macabees and ignores your warning.

OOC: Lets give an example. The New Commonwealth (old old region way back in the good ol' days) was located inbetween South America and Africa, however, it was much larger than them combined. Magic of NS I guess. Ferra Front Coalition is located right in the midle of the Pacific, maybe a mile or two away from Hawaii, yet it is as big as the Pacific. So, why not mention about where your continent would be?

OOC: Lets give an example. The New Commonwealth (old old region way back in the good ol' days) was located inbetween South America and Africa, however, it was much larger than them combined. Magic of NS I guess. Ferra Front Coalition is located right in the midle of the Pacific, maybe a mile or two away from Hawaii, yet it is as big as the Pacific. So, why not mention about where your continent would be?

OOC: Well, then I guess it would be about where Asia is, but a heck of a lot larger.

IC:

The warning stands. Any vessel passing within 50 Nm of our shores shall find herself under attack. We shall not change this, no matter who threatens us. We must do this for national security.

OOC: I trade with no one in the Pacific or Indian Oceans, or their coastal nations, so this will not effect me any. Just be warned, you are pretty much forcing an economic embargo on yourself. Your people will get mad (any non-nationality ships are shot, meannign cruise ships or transport ships from resort nations like San Mario or even the Vatican), your economy will starve, and before you can rethink, either Marx comes to say Hello or your economy capsizes like five Americas after WW1.

50 NM out is not needed for national secruity, we will not divert any ships.

Then they will be sunk. There is no negotiating here. We will sink all violators.

And we have no foreign tourism to worry about. Everything can be maintained in our region.

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"Our response to this is a condemnation of Phsycotic-Phsycos. Furthermore, any Phsycotic-Phsycos ships, civilian, commercial, or military found within a 50 Nautical Mile radius from our shores will be fired upon without warning until it is either sunk or leaves. This applies ONLY to the Imperial Shogunate of Phsycotic Phsycos. Same goes for aircraft."
End Message

[45 Nautical Miles From the Coast of Pschycotic Pschycos]

The convoy was heading at around twenty-five knots, the ship's screws turning fast. They were headed to Hailandkill, a very valued ally of the Empire, and a very loyal costumer to Kriegzimmer. The Golden Throne's flags flew high, the double headed imperial eagle flailing in the sea's breeze. Within the six merchant ship convoy was a two hundred thousand piece shipment of Hali-21 assault rifles, headed towards the harbors of hailandkill, and then to some other paying customer.

Unfortunately for the convoy, the sea route which headed to that direction, lay just about forty to fifty nautical miles from the coasts of Pschycotic Pschycos, and there had recently been heated exchanges between the international community, and the very stubborn Pschycotic government.

Indeed, any international convoy, not heading towards himself, or towards his region, was subject to full destruction without warning. Of course, a power like the Golden Empire was not going to extend it's sea lanes because a government like the administration of Pschycotic Pschycos as them too. In short, the Empire was testing the resolve of the foreign administration, considering it weak, and a perceft opportunity for Fedor I to show his true Imperial power - especially in the wake of the national catastrophe that was the Weigar rebellion, now being called the War of Golden Succession, which was still technically raging within the Empire, and only threatened to enlargen.

Regardless, this gave Fedor his opportunity to shine in the international community. His grandfater, the first Emperor of the Second Empire of the Golden Throne, Jonach I, had given light to his people, but he had not given the impression of fear which Fedor wanted to give. Fedor wanted the Empire to be a legend, a myth, a goliath. This brief hostility would allow him to make leaps and bounds in that effort - all depending on what this foreign administration did.

Consequently, the convoy continued, in flagrant violation of the laws that were set by the Pschycotic government. Their flags waved high, and it was obvious to all that they were not there by coincidence. Did the breeze bring war? Perhaps not immediately, but the sinking of said convoy would bring reprucussions to both countries in the future - that Fedor promised.

OOC: Thanks for doing that, I would but I am lazy.

War Department, Eastern Coast Branch...

"Commodore, foreign convoy traveling our territorrial waters sir!" one of the radar operators said. "Sector Nine, moving to Ten."

"Thank you Lieutenant," the Commodore said. "Move a patrol to intercept. Who's closest?"

"Katana Group, sir. Distance, 30 nautical miles, ETA one hour," was the reply.

"Thank you, have them move in. One warning to change course, then open fire. Relay the orders."

"Aye, sir."

"Comm, give a description of activities to headquarters. Have them send one up to the Admiral."

"Aye, aye."
=========================================
Katana Group Fringe Patrol....

"Captain Jiin, orders from base! A foreign convoy has entered territorial waters. We are to intercept." That was the call from the CIC and CommCent, and it rang around the bridge of the lead ship, ICS Defiance.
"Thank you," the captain called back down. "Helm, bring bow to starboard 20 degrees. All ahead flank."
"Aye sir!"
"All hands to Level 2. All hands to Level 2." With the order, the ship sprang to life, klaxons ringing out. The rest of the patrol followed suit. Katana group consisted of 3 battleships, Zimmermann-Class and four Aegis-Class cruisers. The 7 ships ran their speed up to 30 knots and headed out for the intercept.

[Fast foward through the boring part]
Five Miles from Convoy...

Captain Jiin stood on the bridge, binoculors to his eyes. "Six merchants, can't see anything else in there. Radar, do you read the same?"
"Aye, sir. Six merchants."
"Thank you. Send out a warning and prepare to fire."
"Aye, sir."
The ship's bullhorns rang out with the following message, as did all radio frequencies:

Attention foreign vessels! You are in restricted waters controlled by the Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschycos. By order of the shogun and the Pschycotian Coast Guard, you are hereby ordered to leave these waters immediately, or be fired upon. You will receive no further warning, and there shall be no bow shot. You've been warned.

The captain turned toward his bridge crew, "wait to see what they do or if they respond. If not, we have no choice but to fire."

[45 Nautical Miles From the Coast of Pschycotic Pschycos]

The lead ship's captain, Heckens von Carlisch, looked up at the coming fleet of foreign warships. He whistled to himself, and in his thoughts wondered what he had gotten himself into. After listening to their rather belligerent message he picked up the radio comm and changed the frequency to the expected military frequency of that of the fleet, and said calmy,"These, according to international law, are international waters. Our nation, unlike your own, does not regard your claims as legal, consequently, we do not accept fifty nautical miles as territory of Pschycotic Pschycos. In conjunction with this, we will not budge from our current course. Furthermore, our Emperor would like to mention that sinking a ship that belongs to the Empire, whether civilian or military, is to be considered an act of belligerence. This may not lead to outright war, but in that case, justice, at some point, will be served."

With that Carlisch put down the radio comm and looked up towards the roof, closing his eyes, and looking to God. Suddenly he rose his arm and putting his thumb and his fourth finger together, he went from left shoulder to right shoulder, from chest to head, marking the cross. He knew all four ships would die here.

Changing the frequency of the radio he picked it up again, this time to communicate with the ships belonging to the convoy. Before leaving from Targul Frumos, they had decided to set up a secret frequency, not known to merchant ships, allowing them to talk without threat that the others would pick up the messages. It was worthwhile, von Carlisch saw now. He talked solemnly,"We do not have the defenses to defeat the ships that threaten us now. But we will do as much damage as possible. Uncover your 5" guns, and protect our cargo. Should shots ring out, you have the order to use all force needed, including using our cargo for our defense. Good luck, and godspeed."

With that a merchant convoy of six ships prepared to take on three dreadnoughts, and four cruisers. von Carlisch smiled - he had fought in the Navy of the Weigar Kingdom during the Great Civil War, and he had seen his share of action. He swore to himself that one of those Aegis class cruisers was his, and for that he rubbed a black case he always had inside his cabin - a small anti-shipping missile, that would cause great amounts of damage.

[EDIT: The number of ships was 6 not 4.]

OOC: I thought there were six ships.

5 Miles From Foreign Convoy...

Captain Jiin frowned upon hearing the reply. Picking up the radio, he spoke one last time, "We do not acknowledge any form of international law. You've had your warning." Setting down the phone, he ordered a command to the group that hadn't been heard in years, "Form battleline! All hands, Level One Battlestations!" The three dreadnaughts formed up, two cruisers ahead and two behind them, running parralel to the convoy.

The CIC commander took over, "aim turrets and prepare to fire!" On the three ships, each of the three forward and three aft tri-20" turrets turned to line up the convoy. He looked up for one final confirmation from the captain, who gave it. "Right, then....FIRE!" All cannons on the ship erupted in fireballs, the shockwave lifting up surges of water on the ocean. The two other ships followed suit, unleasing their deadly cargo. "Prepare for possible return fire!" All haands on the ship held on and awaited what response would be sent their way.

OOC: I thought there were six ships.


[OOC: Yes, there were. I'll edit that back in now.]

OOC: Okay.

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"Our response to this is a condemnation of Phsycotic-Phsycos. Furthermore, any Phsycotic-Phsycos ships, civilian, commercial, or military found within a 50 Nautical Mile radius from our shores will be fired upon without warning until it is either sunk or leaves. This applies ONLY to the Imperial Shogunate of Phsycotic Phsycos. Same goes for aircraft."
End Message

OOC:PSST!

[Naval Conflict, 45 Nautical Miles From PP]

Unfortunately for the safety of the lead two cruisers, the main guns on a battleship were normally extremely heavy, consequently, to turn the turrets took quite a bit of time. When von Carlisch first saw the turrets turning he stopped breathing, but he quickly regained composure, and picked up the radio again,"Engage at will."

The six ships, traveling in two lines of three, began to manuever to offer the battleships the least possible profile for them to train their guns on. The line farthest away from the coastline began to speed up to around twenty-seven knots, while the other line began to turn towards the coastline, slowing down to about twenty knots. It was a strange manuever, but ultimately it would allow the merchant convoy to do something unprecedented - sink very large ships, when totally outgunned.

von Carlische abondoned the bridge of the ship and ran towards his cabin, about thirty seconds away. From there he opened the black case and took out the tube launcher, and from underneath it a small rocket type mechanism. With that he limped out of the room, all the weight of the weapon on his right shoulder, and make his way to the deck, where he would be able to get the best hit on one of the Aegist class Cruisers.

When he got there the battleships were already preparing to fire. He held his breath, kneeled, and put the front end of the tube on the floor, then reaching for the missile and then pushing it through the back. The missile made a clicking sound, testament that it was in the correct position, and von Carlische put the mechanism back on his shoulder. He murmured,"Pro Dei."

Fire lept from behind, and then smoke began to burn across the deck, leaving a trail behind the missile, as it shrieked over the water, sea-skimming at extremely low altitudes. It was small, and it's warhead was merely around twenty kilograms, but it's penetration factor would extremely damage the armor of the cruiser. It wouldn't kill it, but it would make where it hit a weak point. He dropped the tube into the water, knowing that it served no purpose any longer, and began to run back to the bridge, where he could take command of the ship once again.

The enemy flotilla was already opening fire, and he could see a burning fire in the distance, however, he could also see that a lot of the shots were missing due to the manuever he had designed. Even if those munitions were laser guided, they would have trouble keeping track of the moving convoy, since the convoy was moving at least three times as fast as the flotilla. However, when he looked harder, he could see that the last ship on his own column was beginning to break up. It's 5" gun, however, was still intact, and it was still firing, although rather innacurately. It aimed for the weakspot on that cruiser, and von Carlisch smiled. Hopefully it would hit something.

His own ship, on the other hand, was decreasing distance between him and the enemy flotilla, and his 5" guns, much faster to reload and to turn, were already pelting the cruiser with penetration rounds, hitting the weak spot he hoped to have made. The middle merchant ship was also firing at the same cruiser, trying to sink it before they themselves were torn to pieces.

The second column of merchant ships, half the convoy, had already turned east, and although one ship was on fire it seemed as if they had reached beyond fifty nautical miles by now - which was a relative safe zone. Suddenly, his own ship was hit by a shell and he took a look at his bridge - where he was headed - and blinked. It was gone. He turned around and then swore,"Fuck."

Another three or four shells planted themselves on his ship, and his own ship began to break up. He started to yell out orders,"All hands abandon ship!" He himself ran to his cabin, where he would stay the remainder of his life - he would go down with his ship. He could still hear the 5" cannons pelt the cruiser, although he could also hear that the other ship was being massacred. Regardless, they had saved half the convoy, and hopefully they would sink the single cruiser.

It wouldn't matter four minutes later, as he found himself underwater...dead.

Captain Jiin rode out the battle on the bridge, wincing as each 5" hit the ship. "CIC, damage report!"
"Sir, 8" turret 4 is down, and we have a hull breach on the starboard side."
"Captain, ICS Transmutation isn't responding!"
"What!?" Jiin yelled. Looking forward, over the second cruiser, he saw the large tri-marine lurch to starboard and begin to capsize.
"Sir!" radar yelled, "three ships are breaking for the 50 mile mark!"
"Let them go!" Looking at the convoy, he saw the remaining ships begin to break apart. "CEASE FIRE!" The din of cannon fire slowly echoed away over the water. The three surviving ships were becoming smaller and smaller. "Have a launch rescue what they can of Transmutation's crew."
"Aye, sir!"
"Also, get me the Admiral on the line."

A few seconds later, a screen lowered, and the image of Grande Admiral Yamamoto III appeared. "Admiral! I request permission to rescue whomever I can off the destroyed ships."
The admiral stood there a few moments, and then answered, "permission granted. Do not harm them in any way, the administration will contact their nation and arrange for their transport home."
"Aye, aye sir!" Captain Jiin replied, and the line went dead. He turned on his crew, "Have the cruisers launch their helicopters and have the other two dreadnaughts send launches. You heard the admiral, don't harm any of them."
Minutes later, several launches were speeding to the scene, and the rotors of helicopters taking off could be heard. As they approached the scene, men with bullhorns began speaking:

"We are not here to harm you any further. We are here to rescue you so that you may be returned to your home nation. Please do not try to attack, the fighting is over."

Captain Jiin watched the proceedings through his glasses, Just because we had to take out the ships doesn't mean we can't be civil about it. Looking back over his patrol, all of the ships had some smoke streaming from their starboard sides. It wasn't major, but they had indeed taken some beating.

Lower Atmosphere Over Pschycotic Pschycos Territory - 12nm From Conflict

The Emerald Shield Defence Network had kept track on most satellites travelling near or over the newly designation "Psi-Pso," due to confusion over pronounciation within the ranks of the military and in Raptior.

Two satellites had moved over and saw a Macabeean Fleet heading in the general direction of the "new" territorial borders. A black spot had been declaired for some time, and with no news, some ranks were thinking of calling in the International Frequency over in that area, but before they could react a satellite keytoned XESDY-045 had just on the rim of its Infrared-only sights a group of ships, looking like Macabeean vessels, taking on tracers. It was unknown from where the hostile fire on the vessels was comming from, the satellite just did not have enough flight-time over that specific area to have its camera redirected. After half a minute, the battle sight was lost.

The men and women in the room all picked up buzzing phones, automated telegraphing systems, and even Instant Messangers. Rankmen and politicans all into the resent conflict with the massive "Self-Lockdown Problem."

Terramarine Pacific Fleet Base "Sapphire Isle"

The Pacific Fleet was stationed in a gift territory of the Sparty Island Chain, located right below present-day Taiwan and above Vietnam in the mist of the oceanic coast.

The fleet was small, and was ill-up-to-date, but it was known for the Sharks they had in service, or the nickname to the Oured-class SSN. The base had stationed there the entire Pacific Fleet's worth of the class, 12.

The Macabees had been an influence on naval and industrial design of the Jewittist Republic, and allowing them to fight alone was not an option. Already going against the Chancellor's best judgement, the politicans of Psi-Pso had been very oppressive, and agressive.

The light hispanic by the name of Admirelo Quend Jonlleques had to make a quick decision, as he had rule to engage in a conflict that the government was against, dispite the Head Admirelo's orders. In the safety of a command tower above the air strip of the island-base, he said "Tell seven Sharks to deploy, and prepair for ship-to-ship conflict. I want the captain or who ever is in charge of that Mac Division on the line, I wish to ask permission for covering his back, or possibly assaulting the Psi-Psos on an other flank."

A vietamese-oriental woman, no older than twenty years of age repeated the order to him and acknowledged. She had seen battle before, it was in her eyes. Just an other deployment to Hell she thought as she ordered the deployment of the seven ships.

OOC: Mac, hope you don't me helping you out. I love submarine warfare, and I try my best to do good sub. posts. Hope you get on the phone quickly.

And Psi-Pso is your new name with my nation, Pschycotic Pschycos.

[OOC: Truitt, I won't be full on waging war against PP anytime soon - I have a lot of internal problems to get rid of, including ending the War of Golden Succession. I'm going to send submarines out there, and a support fleet a bit farther, but that's to keep the waters open to all merchant convoys travelling through there. You can help with that, until later, when I most likely invade PP for retribution, unless he steps down and pays my lost sailors. But if I invade you can expect me to go to war with all of the GPE, which that I know of, would actively be: PP, Golencia, Alleanea, Derscon, amongst others.]

Starenell will not send a fleet, as none are ready (and I stink at RPing naval warfare more so than at gound warfare). We do however support the actions of Truitt, and will aid a ground invasion. We have also adopted the designation of Psi-Pso for the nation.

In light of recent events, it has become clear to us that it will take further actions to keep foreign vessels out of our waters. Therefore, we shall be placing mines at the 50 Nm mark, with gaps for authorized traffic at north, northeast, east, southeast, and south positions. These gaps shall be guarded at all times.

Furthermore, we shall be placing passive and active sonar systems under water along the borderline to protect against those daring nations who will attempt to sneak under us.

We will let our position be known again, we will not tolerate any foreign vessels in our waters.

OOC: Well, you can count me in on a good invading RP if you give me enough time to organize my military, it hasn't been since 1.2 billion that I have updated, and I am now 2.8 bil, and even then I am extremely small land wise (hense my large airforce and navy, I am nothing but a scattered island chain).

I only jumped in to introduce my Oured-class and do some good ol' submarine-surface battles, maybe even bring in some of my newer ships I have been working on.
Oh, it bugs me when I use the wrong possessive of someone's nation, so is Macabeean alright, or is it something else? I'll just call Psi-Pso citizens Psian now...too lazy for his long name (no offence, but I have ADHD, an attention span of a paperclip, and a national ruling body based after myself and friends).

IC:

12nm Behind Conflicting Macabeean Vessels

The seven Oured-class SSNs slowed to half a knot. Thier liquid-based reactors calmed down in the heat which was felt from the flames and bursts on the surface. The Oureds were placed in a flying-V like formation, with the lead boat, TMS Vigilant, heading the pack. The Sharks waited for the Macabeean confirmation as a rear ship readied a radar bouy, to further understand any aireal threats, but did not deploy until confirmation had come.

Terramarine Pacific Fleet Base "Sapphire Isle"

The base was buzzing now in the mist of the new information trailing in. The Admirelo had already boarded the TMS Charles Rolleigh, a newly-commisioned Angus Young-class BBG, which was now the Flagship of the Pacific Fleet. It shined, showing not the standerd two, but three, Main Coilguns on the front. It flew proudly the flag of the Jewittist Republic, and below it, the Jewittist Seal. Below that even further was a navy blue flag. An unspoken command to all crewmen to prepair for sailing in deep waters.

The entire fleet stationed at the base was deployed, as was the entire Pacific Fleet to the north. The divisions based at Sapphire Isle, or the 1st and 4th Combantant Divisions, were to be deployed to reinforce the Macabeean and nearly-existing Shark presence. The rest of the Pacific Fleet would deploy around the chain for active duty in patroling the area.

A statement was made to the base civilians and militants by Admirelo Quend Jonlleques, which he said "We shall be the new home of some forgein refugees soon enough. Prepair for this task, and treat them as if they are citizens, because some may be such in the future. Also prepair for constant porting of military and civilian vessels, this is all an emergency operation taking place as of now to prove our ideaology. Please stand by for futher updates."

With that, he left a few ranks some cards to say every couple of hours, slowly allowing the basees to know that a naval conflict was going on some 2,000nm away.

OOC: Wouldn't mind some additive fleet information or a map, would be nice, just incase I want to start an other battle (curiousity, nothing serious now).

[OOC: As it stands now, three merchants went down, and the other three turned back into international waters. At the moment, we are rescuing any survivors to haul back to Macabee and are beginning to deploy mines and sonar systems along the 50 mile mark.]

OOC: Will the sonobouys be active or semi-passive? Active means they are always on, and people will always know they are there before they even enter the detection range. Semi-Active is a little more expencive and less ranged, but it activates when it hears loud noises, but it does not respond well to silent ships such as submarines (specialized ones for silence such as Los Angeles upwards, or even older Russian diesel-electric ones).

Lets make this interesting.

IC:

58nm From Psian Coast - 8nm From Territorial Waters

A private boat, one definately not usually seen in the prime of an ocean, more or less a coastal luxery boat, traveled straight into the borders. It had a distress signal activated "S.O.S., our engines refuse to slow, hydroflaps refusing to reaction, we are going torwards a straight path to the coastline at fifty-two knots. Be advised, there are children onboard, and we request aid in getting off before impact. There is enough fuel for twice the length this last voyage will be." It was a man's voice, a screeming girls in the background, probably two, one being much older in her teens and the other slightly 5-8 years of age. A panicing older woman's voice trying to calm her children. The man seemed stressed, and the sound of an engine roared behind his frantic report that was being repeated at a local signal.

As it kept on going, the boat seemed more and more like a speed boat. It had four seats, openned, all white and leather-like, with a black shape of spikes on the front with a crimson red hull and a darker ruby cowling where the two engines were, both spitting white water in the air as the liquid was sliced in ahlf by the kinfe that was the front of the boat.

Onboard were three figures sitting, manicans, but painted with real expressions. A child, teenager, and wife, all together, holding for life, and a man stirinly holding the wheel, which would do no good. The entire boat, with the name "Juyerloksch" on the side, Romanian, was remote controled by a small diesel-electric assaulter boat (SSE) just out of any coastal or territorial detection range, with a bouy surfaced sending out signals and recieving them. Cameras all over.

"Damn, those tech jokies back at base sure know how to rig up a probaitional boat really easily. Do you think we'll actually make it, hitting a ship?" Asked the driver of the two-man boat. The torpedo/navigations officer was the one driving the boat. "Well, didn't I guide yeah through hydrobomblett Hell and back in the Sparty Wars?" The driver grunted and continued to moniter the bouy's bandwith, to make sure it did not drop any amounts.

OOC: It's a combo, it's passive with filters to filter out ocean noise and has a human listner. It is equipped with active that the listner can activate if he hears anything suspicious. Of course, it's weakness is that there's a human involved, just like democracy ;) Sorry for the smilie.

IC:

War Department, Eastern Coast Branch...

"Sir!" Radar called again, "foreign ship crossing event horizon!"
"You know the response," the commanding officer said. No sooner had he spoke than someone manning communications yelled out,
"Sir! Incoming SOS!" He patched it through to the room's speakers. Upon hearing this, the CO was thrown into chaos.
I don't want to kill civilians like that, that WOULD be murder. Given their circumstances, after all... "Here's what we do, launch a Seahawk from here, no make that two," he ordered. "We'll leave it up to the pilots as to whether they try a moving rescue, or if they want to disable the craft."
"Aye, sir!" comms. replied. "Sending orders to flight line Beta now."
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Flight Line Beta....

The two Seahawk helicopters, naval versions of the highly effective Blackhawk, spun up their rotors and headed out over the water to the east. For the flight out to the distressed boat, they flew in strict, side-by-side formation, door gunners hanging out of either side, 20mm guns clearly visible, just in case anyone had a low IQ. Finally, they spotted the boat.
"Lead to Beta Two, let's head down for a look."
"Roger, following your lead."
The two helicopters shot past in the opposite direction, and then swung around to come up aside the boat. The helicopter designated 'Beta One' began issuing a statment over his bullhorn:

"Attention boat, we are here to help, please acknowledge!"

The message rang out, but there was no response. The pilot called back to the gunner, "What can you make out!?"
"They're not moving...Take us in lower!" The pilot obliged, taking the craft down to a mere 10 feet. The gunner was shocked, "they're not alive. They're not real!" A radio transmission broke the tension,
"Beta One! Beta Two, we're fifteen miles from shore!"
"Beta Two! Beta One, object is HOSTILE! Repeat, object is HOSTILE! Move out, and take it down!" The two helicopters swung out on either side, away from the speeding vessel. At a safe distance, the two close-side gunners opened fire with a stream of 20mm shells, spraying not only the engines, but the rest of the vessel.
"Base! Beta One, object is HOSTILE in origin, and we are neutralizing target now. It's a scam! Repeat, it's a scam!"

[OOC: You can call my things Macabee; as in, the Macabee ship.]

While we ourselves do not endorse 50 Nm territorial claims, we believe that the UN is an obsolete international party void of anything but inaction, and thus no limit can be imposed on claims to water according to their wishes. There are no limits to how much land a nation may have (they hold as much as they need and can defend) and so no nation can dictate the size of Psi-Pso's waters.

The Infinite Empire (Yallak) will aid Psi-Pso against any incursions/invasions once our naval refits are complete.

OOC: I won't be making a public statement yet, as this is all happening within minutes inbetween my posts. But you do relize he is shooting at any civilian craft within these borders, and as I have illustrated, his men arn't so deadly as they said (not firing on a distressed civilian vessel). This operation is to a free a vast area, in my sense, to allow refugees to leave, without questions of past records or crimes, into my own territory just a few thousand nautical miles away.

Sorta like the Somalian Conflict we had a while back (Black Hawk Down) but with sea water.

IC:

The navigations/torpedo officer onboard the ship curced wildly as he started to sway the boat in rash directions. He did not have information on the ship's damage already delt, but when the the ship rocked and seemed to slacken, he knew cannon fire was present.

"Damn, choppers shootin' me down to the fishes!" He yelled unnessicarily out at the driver, who was only a few feet away. "Well, then keep on zig-zaggin' until you hit a ship or the coast. I am sure if they make it blow up too close to shore they might redirect some naval power there, more consentration."

It was too late. The engine had blown from the speeding luxery boat and was slowing down - still manuverable - at a fair rate of 12kts a minute, and from the speed of some 50kts, it would only be four minutes before it was a lost cause.

The white foam flew upwards into the sky as the foam turned black of the smoke comming from the scarlet and ripped engine cowling. The roaring engine was now making a putting noise, and rotors of the helicopters overhead and the rapid cannon fire did not help any.

Three Minutes Later

The driver had taken down the transmitter he had deployed, as the craft was now sinking, aparently. "Ready a tube, we are going to destroy it at the bottom."

With that, he made sure there were no other surface or subsurface vessels around the area yet, and reved engines to full. He would be travelling at 23 knots on electric power - silent propulsion - and due to the turnning of the vessel, it had sunk only 41nm away from the coast.

OOC II: I am assuming that your vessels are staying back until the helicopters have finalized the threat as non-hostile. Might give a good blow-up and run series.

OOC1 : Not as deadly? Come on, if it weren't in distress, it would've been destroyed, but you've got to have some morals, even in these situations and times.
IC:

The two Seahawks circled above the spot where the craft went down, ensuring there were to be no surprises. Finally, they dropped some sonar bouys in the area, and wheeled around to head back to base, their target being neutralized.

OOC: Making sure you are not totally sadistic, nothing personal.

Now, assuming the sonobouys are semi-active (human activater), than lets get this going.

You can decide to engage the submarine (I am sure you sent a preview crew or something to investigate the damage) or just let is get away, but I wouldn't mind losing an SSE.

IC:

The SSE continued on for a while, and as it came close it slowed to some 5 knots. Although the speed was not needed, as the submarine was running on battery power, the screw could always give them off to some kind of passive sonar system nearby.

The two crewmen, not noticing any helicopter signatures on below-surface currents, had their already-prepaired torpedo ready to fire at the resting (and ill-targetted) speed boat. "Alright, everything ready." Whispered the Navigations/Torpedo Officer to the driver, not even a foot away, having his finger over a switch to open the torpedo tubes. "Oh course." he whispered back.

The switch flicked downwards, and with it came a roaring noise to break the silence. The doors openned, as they were fully locked the torpedo roared to life, its pumpjet engine ignighting in the tube and thrusting it, un-wired, right at the target.

The door closed and the submarine accelerated to 12 knots and turnned in the opposite direction, to leave the coastline, unaware of the sonobouys that had more than likely heard the torpedo launch and hit, which was even heard by the passive array onboard the SSE not even a minute later.

War Department, Eastern Coast Branch, Sonar Booth 4: TempSys...

The man on duty would only be there for an hour, but it wasn't nearly that long before something more than ocean sounds appeared. "Sir! Fast screw at Incedent Site Two! Forty knots or more.....Sir! Explosion confirmed!"
"Activate active sonar systems!" the CO ordered.
"Aye!" The sonar man flipped a switch, activating the active sonar system on the bouys, sending loud pings outward to a distance of two miles.
The CO gave another order, "launch two more birds! Whatever it is is probably heading back out, turn Beta Flight around and head it off!"
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Beta Flight, Returning to Base....

"Beta One, Base. Submerged hostile vessel confirmed. Head off at 45 Nm from shore, over." said the radio, crackling a little.
"Base, Beta Once. Copy. Heading to intercept at 45 Nm. Over," the pilot responded. Radioing his wingman, they swung around to head back over to the intercept. Traveling at 180 knots, they were on base in a matter of minutes. Once there, they began dropping more sonar bouys, active ones this time, across a wide path of the projected route. A short distance away, another patrol was redirected to intercept the sub.

Onboard the SSE the navigations officer curced as he said, without a whisper or care "We got active pings comming in, they got us. Full speed." The driver grunted as he pushed in a knob, raising the screw's speed to its maximum of 22 knots, with diesel-electric engines running for more efficant speed.

It wasn't long before more pings were being heard. "Damn, I think they got air boys above us. Stay deep." Noted the navigations officer. The Driver asked "How does three-hundred feet sound?" "Fine to me."

The patrol was smaller than the one used earlier, only comprising of three cruisers and three destroyers. As they arrived on base, they used their own sonar and that of the Seahawds to zero in on the sub. "Captain, target moving to 300 feet, moving fast at 22 knots," the sonar man shouted.
"Aye, let's move ahead of her, and drop charges. Radio, direct the other ships to so as well, stationed further out from us." The ships moved out ahead of the sub, forming a line in front of her. As the time came, each of the ships dropped depth charges set for 300 feet over the side, the eruptions coming soon afterward, sending up great sprays of foam.

SSE

A large rocking feeling beat over the near-still SSE in the depths of the ocean. "Depth charges dropped, redivert in opposite direction!" Reported the Nagivations as he activated the torpedo loading system, prepairing to lock onto an other ship or vessel in self defence.

A series of explosions arose from ahead of them as the vessel started to accelerate torwards a sideward direction, instead of away or towards the coastline.


OOC: Since you came from the front (or side), I am sure my sub would have heard you guys (if not for your active sonars) and slowed or had turned away. Depth charges are quite inefficant in modern submarine warfare, as sensors now say where exactly the depth charge is. All it is, is just a mine that cannot go after the submarine, more or less even detect it. And ytou are sending the depth charges to my exact attitude below the sea, meanning it better be right next to it. Most would place them to detonate slightly above, about five feet or so, as to create a radius of recaution.

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Official Statment from the Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

In responce to the Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschyco's latest shifts in it's territorial waters, Iuthia would like to note it's compliance with these changes in territorial waters and we will respect your militaries wishes to further isolate your people from potential harm.

We do not agree with these measures entirely; but as a soveriegn nation with it's own laws and culture we understand that this is entirely within your power to claim additional waters providing they do not effect our, or our allies' trade routes. Seeing as this is not the case and seeing as fifty nautical miles is actuallly much less then Iuthia personally claims around it's nation (though we aren't as aggressive about it) so it would be hypocritical for us to criticise this extensions.

Which brings us to the Empire of the Golden Throne of the Macabees, odd that this nation would oppose your extension so much, while ignoring the laws of other nations such as those of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek and the entire region of Haven, both of which claim much more waters then 50NM... we can only surmise that this nation is actually looking to justify a war against the Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschycos, otherwise why just pick them?

As a peaceful nation that is unaffected (like most others in the International Community) we see no reason not to respect these changes in territory... it doesn't affect us and to ignore it would only start a war that we don't want. It's hardly a bother to change routes to accept a 50NM territory around another nation and it only affects a nations trade if they are dealing within that region, which I'm sure the Macabees are not. While they don't have to recognise the change, to sail ships into the waters is simply baiting the Imperial Shogunate of Pschycotic Pschycos...

Frankly, Iuthia is disgusted by the behaviour of the Macabees and nations that are following suit... instead of peacefully keeping their distance from this nation they sit it fit to goad them into conflict over "International Laws" which do not exist and cannot be enforced accross the entire international community. By ignoring these changes and encouraging their merchants to sail these waters they put their people at unnessicary risk.

As such we can only condemn the Macabees and all nations supporting their appalling policies, that instead of holding their merchants accountable for their own stupidity in ignoring a nations territories they are actually supporting the violation of such territories which in turn greatly increases the chance of war. Most other stable nations will have evaluated that this nation's territorial claims do not affect their shipping and as such any sailor who perposefully sails there is responsible for the trouble they land themselves in, especially if they ignore repeated warnings... to expect another nation to drop it's reasonable territorial changes because of this "Policy" is nothing short of international bullying.

It has been suggested by our military that we treat all Macabee vessels that may enter our waters as a threat due to the rumours we are hearing about their armed status, along with the declaration of this policy... for the moment we aren't changing our policy, but we are concidering a full embargo of all Macabee vessals from Iuthian waters, which are notably more then 50NM.

This aside, we can only hope that the Macabees can come to their sences before lives are lost over these bully tactics.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

[OOC: I'm actually at war with AutoMagFreek, in this Gholgoth/OMP nonsense, so :-P . Furthermore, OOCly, I'm not really doing anything about the lost ships in any case, mostly because I'm the midst of a war of succession (going away from the civil war term, because it does involve foreing powers) - and to put troops into an invasion at this point would be unrealistic, and simply stupid. The person you actually want to start talking about is Truitt, since he's the one invading, not the Golden Throne. Regardless, I'll get an IC response up shortly.]

Message to all nations involved from The Fallen Races (protocol UNSECURED):

While 50nm seems extensive, TFR, which only imports, will respect such claims to territorial waters. Any ships which cannot bypass PP's restrictions may use TFR's merchant helicopters, kept at Quetza'Thalas, our capital, to move cargo and passengers via air.

-Tetra-Assassin, Lord of the Protectorate
<Message Sent>

We would like to thank all the nations who are respecting our claim and warning. With the weaponry availible to today's vessels, you cannot be assured of safety. At the same time, we will allow air travel over our water, as long as you stay 10 miles from flying overland.

We are also allowing Truitt's sub to leave our waters.


[OOC: Sorry for bad post, not much time now.]

Message from The Fallen Races To Psychotic Psychos (forgive me if I misspell your name):

That is understood. All helicopter pilots are informed of the eased restrictions.

-Fen'Ris Car'Gan (Head of the Merchant Air Division)
Message sent.

[OOCness...]OOC: It's more of a responce to the whole group of nations involved really, it's just that you provided the original wording and started the original incident, but still it's a very valid IC responce really. Others were refered to, but not directly mentioned because that would make it oh so much longer. Anyways, fortunately I bit my tongue a bit with the start of the thread on how nations I respect (like Praetorian) declared it a n00b thread which was just rude...

In anycase, it's more in responce to your silly policy which is almost impossible to take seriously because of the large number of nations you convieniently ignore while baiting this one specifically... ICly the policy smacks of stupidity to my government, nations actually acting militarily to this will be reacted to later when I am sure my nation ICly knows about it. Anyways, enough OOC, I know my reasoning is sound so I shouldn't have to explain any more then I did ICly...

Imperial Response

Unfortunately, we are at a current status of war with AutoMagFreek and his allies, albeit not just for the reasons of territorial waters. Nonetheless, a status of war does exist between our two nations. Consequently, we implore you to change that part of your argument, since it fails to take in certain facts, and it twists certain truths.

Regardless, Iutha also fails to understand Greater Prussian Politics, which was a region beforehand which accepted Pschycotic Pschycos as a member, and of which the Golden Throne holds several relations within. It is true that the administration of PP was allied to Greater Prussia, however, recent splits in relations have forced PP to leave Greater Prussia, much to the chigrin of the Empire and her allies within that region.

It is with that in mind that we understand that PPs actions are rather hostile to old allies in the Greater Prussian Empire, and that other nations have begged the Golden Throne to force PP to change national claims to old dimensions. However, Fedor I has recently rejected such invitations as the Empire is currently at a state of almost civil war, and with foreign powers included. Indeed, it's becoming to be known as the War of Golden Succession.

With that latter fact you could understand that we are unable to truly throw ourselves into international politics, and it is no small deed that we openly declared support for Praetonia against AutoMagFreek. That has put a lot of pressure on us, and has pushed Haven to invade the Empire during its War of Succession, which is rather unfortunate, but something we must live with nonetheless.

Your rude and nieve tactic of embargoing our ships within fifty nautical miles of your coastline comes as a shock to us, we must admit. Nonetheless, we have given orders to our merchants to open fire on Iuthian ships if the Iuthians open fire on them, just like we gave orders against PP. Macabee citizens are not ones to be pushed around, and they will fight for what is their right for mercantilism to other countries. Fortunately for them, we trade with no one in your region, or around your region, but should a ship need to pass by Iuthia to make it another nation that ship will not change course to appease your own adminstration. It will, consequently, continue it's original course.

You call our tactics bullying and stupid, but yours have proven themselves to be two times worse than that. Our policies will not change, neither for PP, nor for you.

Message to all nations involved from The Fallen Races (protocol UNSECURED):

While 50nm seems extensive, TFR, which only imports, will respect such claims to territorial waters. Any ships which cannot bypass PP's restrictions may use TFR's merchant helicopters, kept at Quetza'Thalas, our capital, to move cargo and passengers via air.

-Tetra-Assassin, Lord of the Protectorate
<Message Sent>

To: Tetra-Assassin, Lord of the Protectorate
From: IDC Offices, Iuthia Prima, Iuthia
Subject: Short Reminder...

As a short reminder to his lordship we would like to point out that 50NM isn't actually that much water when concidering the size of most nations in the International Community and the generally large amount of water surrounding each region, in most cases unless your nation is trading extensively within that region your trade routes should not be affected.

While we are aware you have already stated your respect towards these changes, we feel that it would be wise to point out how reasonable 50 nautical miles actually is, Iuthia itself claims up to 100 nuatical miles from the mainland in places and hasn't met any resistance thus far... simply the few nations it could have affected have already dealt with the issue with our government. The case is similar here, there is no reason this change should affect most trade routes unless they make a habit of sailing close to other nations waters.

We of course, thank you for your understanding in this matter... if only more nations would understand that it's simply not worth the effort to kick up a fuss about a change that doesn't affect anyone, or at least not enough to justify threats, as always diplomacy is key in such matters.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Iuthian Response

Though we note that your war with Automagfreek was not because of their territorial changes directly, which occured prior to the recent incidents, but more in support of an ally in a mostly seperate situation. Meanwhile the fact that you are at war with Automagfreek doesn't change the fact that nations such as Dumpsterstan (sp) and many nations within the region of Haven (many of whom are OMP) claim much more then 50NM, our point was that these nation were never baited by your merchants before... why the change now?

Regardless we continue to fail to see any valid reasoning for endangering your merchant fleet by encouraging them to ignore claimed waters beyond 50NM and to defend themselves in such a way that would ensure they are sunk and not simply just go around the minor changes... we both know that your civilians are not a military force in themselves as their purpose is trade, not war, so why trust them into certain conflict? Personally we view that as dangerous.

Our choice, and many many others, to extend our waters for the security of our nation is our own and we stand by it. While our previous conciderations to embargo your ships were just conciderations, we feel that with your reply you have only further assured us that your people, military vessals or otherwise, are a danger in Iuthian waters... should they be found in Iuthian waters they will be order to turn around and leave peacefully, should they fail to comply they will be treated as military vessels and sunk for the security of Iuthia, seeing as they are now known to be armed.

While we are aware that your nation has no trade in our region, a fact we are thankful for given your dangerous attitudes towards international waters, we will not shy from treating your merchantile vessels as a potential threat. I would advise that you tell your people to stay clear of Iuthia for their own safety and I would further advise that should one such vessel be found and refuse to co-operate, do not presume it's a declaration of war... or at least, don't attempt to start a war with us.

We concider ourselves to be a fair nation however, seeing as you have given better reasons now then before for your actions in Pschycotic Pschycos waters, though we still see them as both dangerous and stupid... diplomacy would have sufficed, but instead you put the lives of your people in danger to prove a point, advise them that you will concider their deaths to to be a declaration of war while being unable to fulfil that promise. We could understand disaproval of the changes, providing it's given reason (such as it affecting you and your allies trade) so long as it's done in a respectable manner... which this isn't. The fact that this policy extends to all nations, only further endangers your nation... that we may defend our waters and such defence be called a declaration of war against you is a threat, I would feel, to the stability of international community.

We are, as always, open to diplomacy on this of course... but we won't back down. Your choice of method to argue this disgusts us and we feel that such actions demands some form of responce from us, thus we will not accept your vessels on our waters, not while this is unsettled.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

To end the start of a potential conflict, we shall pay the Macabees for their loss in our waters. However, we shall NOT lift the 50Nm claim or stop patrols. Further more, the fifty mile line is at this time MINED and equipped with passive and active sonar systems. Their are gaps for incoming traffic, with permanent patrols stationed. We thank the nations who have supported us, but we do not wish to start a war, as that will be costly to both sides. We ask now that our claim is respected. We are sorry that a war almost erupted, but we have always believed in 'better safe than sorry', and as stated earlier, the amount of weaponry availible to ships these days is insane. In fact, to completly illiminate threats, we'd have to extend to 400Nm, which is ridiculous. Therefore, 50 shall stand as it illiminates most threats.

Advisor of Foreign Relations-Shigeru Myamoto

What if we were to propose a more economically beneficial deal, where we would respect your claim to fifty nautical miles for military shipping, yet you would allow civilian shipping go free. It is to say, the governments that agree to this would give your traffic control coordinates to all convoys heading towards your waters so that your military could keep tabs on them, and perhaps fly aerial escorts over them.

This would keep your borders safe, and it would allow the Golden Throne to keep its vital shipping lanes through your waters as straight as possible, saving money by the tons.

Furthermore, the Golden Throne would agree to aid you in keeping your waters safe from military shipping in that case, since it would infringe, as well, on our shipping. It is to say, the Golden Throne would be willing to send aid to you in times of war to keep the shipping lanes open.

In this way, not only have you saved us money, but you have made an ally.

What if we were to propose a more economically beneficial deal, where we would respect your claim to fifty nautical miles for military shipping, yet you would allow civilian shipping go free. It is to say, the governments that agree to this would give your traffic control coordinates to all convoys heading towards your waters so that your military could keep tabs on them, and perhaps fly aerial escorts over them.

This would keep your borders safe, and it would allow the Golden Throne to keep its vital shipping lanes through your waters as straight as possible, saving money by the tons.

Furthermore, the Golden Throne would agree to aid you in keeping your waters safe from military shipping in that case, since it would infringe, as well, on our shipping. It is to say, the Golden Throne would be willing to send aid to you in times of war to keep the shipping lanes open.

In this way, not only have you saved us money, but you have made an ally.

We shall AGREE to such terms. Such thoughts had never crossed our minds. We thank you profussly (sp?) for raising such a point. We shall fly a light air escort over passing traffic, allowing it to pass through our waters. Passing traffic can register with the Coast Guard at the gaps in the mine fields, and then continue unheaded. Now, we are indeed sorry for the sinking of your ships. Your surviving sailors are en route home, along with reparations for the lost cargo. Thank you for bringing up this benificial alternative. We look forward to further dealings with the Golden Throne.

OOC: Gone for a day and everyone posts messages that I don't have the time to read. I did catch my sub was allowed to leave, however. Lets assume it was a rogue or what not and no hard feelings. I did this simpley to get in a few good (which I did not do) posts and to stress out that expanding your coastal waters is a little etchy in my eyes.