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The People's Republic of Muzchkistan is looking into doing a major upgrade on its aging tank fleet but we don’t have the knowledge or the technique to do it and we don’t have money to buy new tanks. So we need some help from other nations.
We have 200 T-55, Years of manufacture 1958-1961

What we want.
*new fire control system
*laser range finder
*smoke dischargers,
* infra-red night vision equipment
*radio upgrade
*ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour)
*more powerful ammunition or a bigger gun like the 105 mm rifled tank gun,
Also if it is possible a more powerful engine

So is there any one that can help Muzchkistan and what would the price be?

Muzchkistan Ministers of Defence
Sergey Nikolayevich

Our AVT-90Ms and upgraded T-62s fit taht description.

T-62

This is an old Soviet design, meant for those who prefer Quanity over Quality, still relavant today as one badly damaged a M1A1 during the Iraq war.

Crew of 4
41.5 Metric Tons
620 HP Diesel Engine
Range: 450/650 with extra tanks
Max on road: 45 kph
Max off road: N/A
Fording Depths: 1.4 without snorkel, 5.5 with (Snorkel kit included)
Armor: 230mm with ERA enhancements
Nuclear Radiation Protection only
2 vehicle exhaust smoke system, 4 smoke grenade mortars
115 mm smoothbore gun
Manual Loader (ROF: 3-5 rnds/m)
To fire ATGM must stop tank
7.62 mm Coaxial Aux. Weapon
Laser Rangefinder, Infrared Searchlight

A group of 100 of these tanks are $95 million US

AVT-90M

Need a quick and easy tank? Something modern yet not too expensive, well look no further our AVT-90M is just for you! Compare to the T-90, with proper training you too can destroy tanks similar to the British Challenger or the M1A1.

700 km range
Max Speed: 70 km/h
Fording Depth (m) 1.2/5.0(snorkel)
125 mm smoothbore gun with DU shells
7.62 mm Anti-Infantry MG
12.7 mm Anti-Helicoptor MG
AT + SA missiles
An Autoloader and an automated fire control system
Full NBC protection
Laser Rangefinder, Infrared Searchlight
Has a new 300 mm Ceramic-Titanium Armor ERA enhanced
12 mortars with smoke grenades

A group of 100 tanks costs 120 million USD

I say get rid of ERA. It's really bad if troops are around it.

I say get rid of ERA. It's really bad if troops are around it.

That is why my APCs aren't default with ERA, with infantry around them it could get dangerous. However, even with the ERA removed these tanks can take a punch. Removing the ERA will save you about $5 million.

The People's Republic of Muzchkistan is looking into doing a major upgrade on its aging tank fleet but we don’t have the knowledge or the technique to do it and we don’t have money to buy new tanks. So we need some help from other nations.
We have 200 T-55, Years of manufacture 1958-1961

What we want.
*new fire control system
*laser range finder
*smoke dischargers,
* infra-red night vision equipment
*radio upgrade
*ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour)
*more powerful ammunition or a bigger gun like the 105 mm rifled tank gun,
Also if it is possible a more powerful engine

So is there any one that can help Muzchkistan and what would the price be?

Muzchkistan Ministers of Defence
Sergey Nikolayevich


(OOC: You might want to take the composite armor route along with the ERA. ERA has its limitations. Like any defense, a layered approach is the best course of action.

Leafanistan's tanks have it pretty well.)

That is why my APCs aren't default with ERA, with infantry around them it could get dangerous. However, even with the ERA removed these tanks can take a punch. Removing the ERA will save you about $5 million.

Well on my Kjata Forces I use tanks to transport troops also. They ride on it in desert and heavily wooded areas and roads. ERA is too dangerous to be using if you want to have something besides heavy armored divisions fighting.

All tanks....sure, but when do tanks ONLY attack? Using some tactics from Blitzkrieg warfare is what I mix in with General Minerva. Not only it saves money, but if you replace it with electronic armor it will be cheaper and be able to withstand more missile attacks.

I could do the following-

put in a Willink M5S Computerized fire control system, a Dazzlar radar deflection system, K1A1 Smoke Discharger and grenade launcher(Would be hard to mount due to shape of T-55 turret), willink MIF2700 Infered night vision system, a modern Radio, Explosive reactive armor, depleted Uranium pannels to block out EMP weapons. An 105mm Smoothbore barrel and a WillinkXWPI17 Hybrid Desiel/Electric engine, for around 10-15 million


Could put Electro-Magnetic armor in for an extra 5 million to replace ERA.

Well on my Kjata Forces I use tanks to transport troops also. They ride on it in desert and heavily wooded areas and roads. ERA is too dangerous to be using if you want to have something besides heavy armored divisions fighting.

All tanks....sure, but when do tanks ONLY attack? Using some tactics from Blitzkrieg warfare is what I mix in with General Minerva. Not only it saves money, but if you replace it with electronic armor it will be cheaper and be able to withstand more missile attacks.

Tanks spearhead assualts with infantry moving up, usually I have the frontmost tanks, decked out with all the bells and whistles to take the brunt of it so infantry can move up and provide a more "wiggle-room" approach. ERA is a severe threat to infantry.

I could do the following-

put in a Willink M5S Computerized fire control system, a Dazzlar radar deflection system, K1A1 Smoke Discharger and grenade launcher(Would be hard to mount due to shape of T-55 turret), willink MIF2700 Infered night vision system, a modern Radio, Explosive reactive armor, depleted Uranium pannels to block out EMP weapons. An 105mm Smoothbore barrel and a WillinkXWPI17 Hybrid Desiel/Electric engine, for around 10-15 million


Could put Electro-Magnetic armor in for an extra 5 million to replace ERA.

OOC: While all the bells and whistles sounds nice remember, its the infantry with the RPG-7 with 2 hours of training that can make your beautiful tank go up in smoke. That is why the most expensive tanks I own, are Soviet Bloc tanks and just in case of a massive tank run. Remember, you have to be able to part with a tank.

And taht reminds me Willink is selling something I do not sell! I must try to run him out of town with my low prices!

OOC: While all the bells and whistles sounds nice remember, its the infantry with the RPG-7 with 2 hours of training that can make your beautiful tank go up in smoke. That is why the most expensive tanks I own, are Soviet Bloc tanks and just in case of a massive tank run. Remember, you have to be able to part with a tank.

And taht reminds me Willink is selling something I do not sell! I must try to run him out of town with my low prices!

Ya, so true.

A $30 million tank can be owned by a cheap RPG-7 and about $10 of ammo.

Japan had one guy who took out three tanks alone. The guy is like legend, but he hit the weak spot on the american tanks and stopped them dead. As a war drags on the infantry who survived battles and gain experience are better and faster at taking out enemies. (America was fighting poor, cheap Japanese units until Iwo Jima, when they were all veterans and a little better supplied, the real pro's were in China and were coming home to fight the Americans.)

A new conscript won't beat a 6-year war veteran, not a chance. Experienced soldiers don't take chances and don't screw up much. They'll give you hell and keep fighting long after your will to fight is gone.

Representatives,

On behalf of the supreme Imperator of Cruxgrad and my fellow generals, I wish to procure some armoured units. We would rather have something cheap and cheerful that, packs a punch.

Ideally we desire the following;

-Systems that can be used with one weekend of technical training.
-Explosive Reactive Armour.
-Automated or manual side-sponses.
-Anti-armour turret gun.

Additionally, we would very much enjoy something that can do long ranged bombardments of dense infantry. Cheap and cheerful is not quite as essential with these reserve units, we are quite happy to get our monies worth.

Suggests would be welcomed, as would prices and payment details.

-Faithfully,
Gen. Van Marx,
Ministry of Military Procurement.

Representatives,

On behalf of the supreme Imperator of Cruxgrad and my fellow generals, I wish to procure some armoured units. We would rather have something cheap and cheerful that, packs a punch.

Ideally we desire the following;

-Systems that can be used with one weekend of technical training.
-Explosive Reactive Armour.
-Automated or manual side-sponses.
-Anti-armour turret gun.

Additionally, we would very much enjoy something that can do long ranged bombardments of dense infantry. Cheap and cheerful is not quite as essential with these reserve units, we are quite happy to get our monies worth.

Suggests would be welcomed, as would prices and payment details.

-Faithfully,
Gen. Van Marx,
Ministry of Military Procurement.

A 12.7mm gun can tear through "armoured" scout cars. I do sell tanks like this, and I can sell mercenaries to train your troops. Just visit my storefront via my signature.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433522

Leafanistan, my 152mm armed tank is gonna beast you !

I could do the following-

put in a Willink M5S Computerized fire control system, a Dazzlar radar deflection system, K1A1 Smoke Discharger and grenade launcher(Would be hard to mount due to shape of T-55 turret), willink MIF2700 Infered night vision system, a modern Radio, Explosive reactive armor, depleted Uranium pannels to block out EMP weapons. An 105mm Smoothbore barrel and a WillinkXWPI17 Hybrid Desiel/Electric engine, for around 10-15 million


Could put Electro-Magnetic armor in for an extra 5 million to replace ERA.

On the behalf off the Muzchkistan people i have to thank you al for the nice offers and after allot off thinking we have decided to go for Willink offer. And we still want the ERA we don’t have soldiers that ride on the tanks in Muzchkistan . We have a proud fully mechanized army so the soldiers ride inside BMP-1, MT-LB and BTR-60. so the ERA is not a problem.

How long would it take to upgrade 200 tanks? And when can we start shipping the vehicles to your country?
Muzchkistan Ministers of Defence
Sergey Nikolayevich

On the behalf off the Muzchkistan people i have to thank you al for the nice offers and after allot off thinking we have decided to go for Willink offer. And we still want the ERA we don’t have soldiers that ride on the tanks in Muzchkistan . We have a proud fully mechanized army so the soldiers ride inside BMP-1, MT-LB and BTR-60. so the ERA is not a problem.

How long would it take to upgrade 200 tanks? And when can we start shipping the vehicles to your country?
Muzchkistan Ministers of Defence
Sergey Nikolayevich


You could start sending them now, will take about a day and a half to do each tank , so your looking at around a week. (1 day RL)