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Willink has seen many new tanks being designed by it's neighbors and has decided to seek development of its own. I am looking for Experienced vehicle developers who can incoporate the following-

*152 mm main gun with an vastly improved automatic loader,with fully encased APFSDS, HEAT, HE frag and HE rounds.

*JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defense device – also called a "dazzler" – which uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner.

*Sabot rounds

*70-75 tons

*Uninhabated turret

* 1700 ps diesel engine

* blast off ammo compartment


*2 Crew members

*12.7mm gun with remote control on turret

* Fully automatized

* solar driven projectile

*Electrically-charged hull and turret armor

* Slat armor for vehicle rear

*Wide tracks

* Low turret

* GAU-8 gatling gun delivering 50 and 100 round bursts of HE ammo

*ERA blocks on the roof to protect against RPG shots from roofs.

* An all-electronic firing control mechanism is easily adapted to include a fingerprint-based user-ID system, and an on-the-fly selection of different rounds for different situations.

*EMP protection

If a suitable partner is found, Production rights will be available.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/hobbeeb/tank.jpg

this is our tank that we developed

This is a bad idea. The gun you want is too big to get any kind of decent velocity without making the gun and tank so hugely massive it would be practically a fixed emplacement.

The dazzler laser could work... but it would need to be an odd peice of work to blind such a wide variety of sensors, and would require a lot of power, be fragile, sencitive, and very expencive.

Only having two crew means each one is going to have too much to do, and will individually need to run the tank while the other is sleeping.

The gattling gun is massive, ammo hungry, and fairly useless compared to the main gun.

Not sure what you mean by 'electrically charged armour', nor solar powered projectile... but I'm worried about both.

On the fly ammo changing is easy... you fire the one that's up the spout and load a new round... actually unloading the gun is terribly tricky.

From experience with Gatling Guns (T.A), I can tell you that any gatling gun would be too tricky, un-economic and unsafe to house in a tank. They are best put to use in static emplacements as A.A

quick 15 minute drawing

I can add colour and extra detail if you want

The SKe-02
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4978/ske028ln.th.jpg (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ske028ln.jpg)

*105 mm cannon
*crew of 2 - targeter/commander, driver
*attack chopper style cockpit
*slat armour applyable to outboard hooks
*crew served gattling gun
*high visibility
*inch thick perspex windows
*automated targetting system
*wide wheelbase
*automated loading system
*combustable carteges for rounds see leopard 2
*Ammo discarder
*sloped armour - few flat surfaces

searchlights etc.
misc.

Personal gatling gun?

crew served i mean't

Ok. Still gna be difficult, it would be more of an A.A vehicle than tank dnt ya think?

Hmvees can mount small gattling guns, its only a 30. cal

Sure. But those Humvees are adapted for A.A. In the challenger II section I serve in, the biggest automatic we mount is a 7.62 Chain gun.

The 152mm is not too big, the chinese tank to replace the type 96 and type 98 will mount it, along with an autoloader (janes defenece weekly.) I could crap the Gatling gun and put on a coxial machine gun.

Again, the chinese has developed the Dazzle laser to a better effect and mount it on the type 98.

I this is a 152mm gun on the type 99- http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/type99_1.jpg



"Not to be confused with the Type 99 Light Amphibious Tank (an upgunned Type 76A with a British L7 105mm gun), the Type 99 MBT (in development) is a Type 98 chassis mated to a turret with a 152mm gun. It probably weighs about 75 tons and probably is slightly slower than the Type 98 - which moves at 60 kmh or more. The Type 98 is the best protected Chinese tank ever, but not quite as well protected as leading US or Israeli tanks. China tends to sacrifice protection in tank design, but at last is building respectable tanks, with awesome firepower and technical fire control systems. Expect this tank to enter limited production in a year or two.

Im going for somthing like that but with improved armor.

yeh, out a co-axial 7.62 chain gun, works for us.

To dispace the weight of the massive gun, the ammo compartment has to be set up specificly, such as in the Russian Black Eagle tank, so the turret layout would be much like that, but with a newer design, with more curves.


Black eagle-
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/armored_vehicles/tank/black_eagle-02.gif
http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/5pansar/5sidor/5bilder/tjorniritn.jpg

The tank would have 3 crew members, instead of two. But for the main gun, should it be rifled or smoothbored ?

quick 15 minute drawing

I can add colour and extra detail if you want

The SKe-02
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4978/ske028ln.th.jpg (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ske028ln.jpg)

*105 mm cannon
*crew of 2 - targeter/commander, driver
*attack chopper style cockpit
*slat armour applyable to outboard hooks
*crew served gattling gun
*high visibility
*inch thick perspex windows
*automated targetting system
*wide wheelbase
*automated loading system
*combustable carteges for rounds see leopard 2
*Ammo discarder
*sloped armour - few flat surfaces

searchlights etc.
misc.
Not a good idea tbh. That kind of cockpit is used in helicopters because helicopter pilots need a very good view of their surroundings and you cant really armour a helicopter anyway. On a tank, this kind of badly armoured bulge creates a huge flaw in structural integrity, especially the windows. Although the general hull could probably shrug off small bore cannon fire, the windows wont and the crew will die as a result to almost any hit on the front armour.

In a similar vain, all a crew served galting gun is going to do is get the crewman serving it killed. If you must have a gatling gun, either mount it coaxially to the main gun or in its own turret. I dont really understand the turret... is the gun meant to be sticking out of the top? If it is, then I dont think that's a very good idea, again for reasons of protection. i suggest that be redesigned.

On the point of the 152mm gun - Willink is right that such a gun is possible as a tank armament but it isnt useful, since in NS a tank primarily designed to fight other tanks isnt going to use a round where bore actually matters beyond a certain point (ie HEAT rounds), you're going to be using APFSDS rounds which are sub-calibre anyway. You want to fire fast, so use an ETC gun between 100mm and 130mm. I personally use a 120mm ETC on my MBT.

After some consideration, i have decided to adopt the 140mm gun for the tank.


"In one simple sentence, use Sabot rounds against armored vehicles, like APCs and tanks and use HEAT rounds against infantry, cars, trucks and buildings."

Beside, tanks with ceramic armor are designed to beat the HEAT round.

"Sabot rounds burrow into a tank's armor upon impact. If the round contains enough kinetic energy, it will pass through the tank's armor and destroys whatever is inside. Often times, however, the round does not contain enough energy to penetrate all the way through. Although the round does not fully penetrate the armor, it creates many small armor fragments that discharge into the tank, causing destruction inside."

I also want the tank to fire Refleks 9M119 AT-11 SNIPER laser-guided missiles. They have hollow-charge warhead, which is effective against both armored targets and low-flying helicopters. The missile can penetrate 27-inches of reactive armor out to 2.2 miles.

No, HEAT rounds are anti-tank rounds and are completely unnecessary for use against cars and trucks. They simply arent effective against infantry. Against armoured vehicles use sabots, ditch HEAT entirely, against buildings use HESH (unless you're using a smoothbore in which case use HE) and against infantry use HE-FRAG or canister. Against cars etc jsut use a co-axial machinegun. Reduce the gun size and make it an ETC. This will increase muzzle velocity (and so power imparted by the sabot). The size of the projectile doesnt matter much because it's sb calibre anyway.

Still, i wish to use a 140mm conventional cannon. Conventional munition development has the advantage of building off of well-established technology,
and a 140mm cannon will deliver as much kinetic energy as would a EM cannon, but at a lower cost.

ETC complicates tank designs with the need to shoehorn electrical components (generators, capacitors, routing switches) into an already cramped platform. Anyway, the cannon as we know it has reached the end of its developmental life; you can only cram so much powder and so much electricity into a conventional breech.

Or, i could use a EM coil gun.........

*shrug* Actually it wont, but it's your choice and there are certainly advantages to conventional guns. Im just not sure if they're worth it in a world where every man and his dog has an ultra advanced MBT.

Ok now to get down to the reason of this post. FIND SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO HELP DEVELOPE IT !!

Ok now to get down to the reason of this post. FIND SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO HELP DEVELOPE IT !!
I was trying! Just OOCly... because I already have a tank.

You could, but i can pay for it, need someone to do all that technical crap, but i also need a rendering later.


Other things needed:

*A hybrid engine for better fuel efficiency.

*Engine well protected

*Turret top mounted grenade launcher

*Electro-magnetic Armor

A 140mm guns that fire APFSDS projectiles with twice the muzzle energy of those fired by the current 120mm tank guns, such as those being put on the leopard 2, is what kind of Gun im looking for, but should i use Rifled or Smoothbored gun ?

This is no longer open for development, green sun has agreed to develope it with Willink.

A 140mm guns that fire APFSDS projectiles with twice the muzzle energy of those fired by the current 120mm tank guns, such as those being put on the leopard 2, is what kind of Gun im looking for, but should i use Rifled or Smoothbored gun ?
If you want to fire APFSDS then use smoothbore. Rifled guns cant fire projectiles as fast because the rifling creates friction, which isnt too good for the rifling either. But Im not really sure if you can do what you want to do, ie get twice the muzzle energy.

If you want to fire APFSDS then use smoothbore. Rifled guns can fire projectiles as fast because the rifling creates friction, which isnt too good for the rifling either. But Im not really sure if you can do what you want to do, ie get twice the muzzle energy.


Thanks, Praetonia.

The tank will be modified to be added to the Neutron series. The Gatling gun will be replaceable with a regular M-Gun, and both can be automated to track and shoot down missiles (Rather difficult but it has been accomplished in training simulations, remotely controlled by the Tank Commander or from base. There will be no rifling in the main gun. All Neutron shells are jet-assisted and laser-guided. We suggest that you make eye protection (Sunglasses) standard-issue in your military, Willink. Just cheapos, you can never get rid of them.

For safety precautions, the Gatling Gun/M-Gun will be turret-mounted on the turret.

All Neutron Tanks have a hybrid engine and almost every part can be swapped for anotehr part that performs the same functions, even ones that are below par of what is required, as long as it'll last a short while until a replacement can be installed. Even the main gun itself can be replaced. But fear not, the Netron Tank is still one of the safest for all around it, save for its targets.

So it is an iterchangable platform, if that i suggest two variants, the Green Sun version and the Willink version, with a few external and gun changes.

Willink will have to develop their own variant.

The Neutron Tank also has a bunch of electronics and stuff, like a targeting computer and a Computer Tracking system to identify the positions of things with computers and other types of signals, infared, nightvision, an Autoloader, etc., etc.

We are also working on a EMP-resistant armor to protect all the electronics.

The willink variant uses Electro-magnetic Armor and an EC Smoothboar gun. and also fires the Refleks 9M119 AT-11 SNIPER laser-guided missiles with a hollow-charge warhead, which is effective against both armored targets and low-flying helicopters. The missile can penetrate 27-inches of reactive armor out to 2.2 miles.

The Willink variant also has a TShU-1-7 Shtora-1 optronic counter measures system which is designed to disrupt the laser target designation and rangefinders of incoming ATGMs.


The Electro-magnetic armor also has depleted Uranium pannels to block out EMP weapons, along with Cubic Boron Nitride Inserts and a hardened steel interior. It is not bulky, but it is very dense and not only radiation proof, but very resistant to ballistics.

MK-19 Grenade launcher on Roof of turret (http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2003/march/images/mar16_31/DSC_1292.jpg), which can be replaced with a 7.62mm chain gun (http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/dragon/images/GatlingF.JPG)